The future aviation museum in Medyn 1 March 2014

1 March 2014, when we flew to Kulinovo to meet the spring and the birthday of Dima Shapovalov, among other things, we flew to Medyn, which is located kilometers in 50. This is a new museum base of technology Vadim Zadorozhny. This is a ground airfield on which its flying collection will apparently be based and apparently something on static. Now here it was possible to see the boards saved from destruction with Tushino. They are still in this form, but I think it is not for long. So...

We flew here a few boards. Alexander Mikhailov, Vladimir Vladimirovich Tyurin on our helicopters and we are on Bella with Maxim Savelyev. Who else was not remember: you need to see the photos, but that's not the point.

We must confess that we flew without the permission of the owner and embarrassed the guard. Well that was, that was. Initially, we circled over all this wealth on helicopters.

something can be identified

MiG-15?

Here Vladimir Vladimirovich is landing

general view

You can then be compared: it was-become.

are there any concrete streaks under the snow?

all MiGs

25 MiGs 17 is the MiG-17

Vladimir Vladimirovich.

Security, we have already noticed. onboard 99 is Su-17UM3

We are waiting for the comrades who have already landed to talk with the guards and give a command, but for now let's go up to cover the whole area.

not immediately understand

closest to us with the number 10 it looks like Su-9

well at least it was saved from the vandals, of course it would be early ...

somewhere here is a dirt strip of 850 meters, the truth is clearly overgrown

Mi-4 and Mi-24, and the guard with the correct dogs goes to the landed

Mi-2 even with a pedestal

Seen former farm DOSAAF

but not on a stand ...

everything is folded neatly, but only the one who folded can sort it out ...

rockets, helicopters

A lot of MiG-25, and 07 in the upper corner is Su-7BL

Photo 26.

larger

general view from this side

and yet it is on a pedestal: Mi-2 :-))

Photo 30.

guard on guard

Photo 32.

look from this side and go to the landing

Alexander Mikhailov still on 44 and Vladimir Vladimirovich

From here we are fixed by Sergey Ryabtsev

We start to look from the ground, get ready for a huge number of photos. MiG-25

MiG-25PD onboard 38

Su-15TM onboard 37

it is not clear

Su-15UT onboard 50

MiG-25РБ onboard 55, and before it with the number 16 is Su-7U

Roboton-44 helicopter :-))

Agusta Bell-206Ц1 :-))

MiG-23B onboard 321 near the L-29

nose cones all separately

Photo 46.

Su-15 onboard 85 and yak? with an onboard 05 I would suggest the Yak-28P?

MiG-25PD with onboard 710

our people

something is still like this, most likely it is the Yak-25M with onboard 57

Photo 51.

MiG-XNUMHUB?

what is this? still more like Yak-28P

Photo 54.

MiG-25RB onboard 55

Photo 56.

right there machine for RP

Photo 58.

MiG-17 onboard 111

Photo 60.

Mi-24A onboard 33 and Mi-4

Sergey Ryabtsev Dorval

Photo 63.

Photo 64.

a little to the side

There is even a cabin

Su-27 onboard 20

ZIS-157?

Yak same

Photo 70.

In scale with the head of AOPA

How many electronics ...

Photo 73.

as a submarine Yak-25M

Photo 75.

Su-7B onboard 12

Photo 77.

MiG-21PF onboard 98 and Su-15 onboard 85

Photo 79.

Yak-25M onboard 57

larger

Photo 82.

UBashka with onboard 90

Photo 84.

MiG-21

Photo 86.

MiG-23S onboard 25

MiG-25

MiG-25UB onboard 90

Again MiG-23B onboard 321

L-29 onboard 74

MiG-25PD 710

Photo 93.

Photo 94.

Another MiG-25PD onboard 38

Su-15TM onboard 37

Sasha and Sergey are changing clips and back into battle ...

ballast not to sit on the tail

Photo 99.

MiG-23M onboard 11

Su-17M4 onboard 71

37 and 38 near

decorated Su-15UT onboard 50

Su-17М4 again

and here is such a ballast

Photo 106.

former handsome

Photo 108.

Hardware

what is it? Yak-xnumx?

Here and P-63 or P-39?

Su-15TM onboard 37

continue rounds from the back

pilots closer

Cobra closer

Photo 116.

cobra again

Photo 118.

Photo 119.

Here at least fairing in place

MiG-25PD onboard 08

well-known collector tsvetmeta ... :-))

engine

Photo 124.

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Photo 126.

Photo 127.

Photo 128.

Photo 129.

everything is neatly laid

Photo 131.

but there are no engines ...

Photo 133.

Photo 134.

local watchdog Chupacabra

I would just not argue with her like this ...

Photo 137.

Photo 138.

Photo 139.

send details

Mi-2 rear

Mi-2 onboard 27

Su-7 onboard 16

MiG-25UB

Photo 145.

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Photo 147.

Photo 148.

Photo 149.

and we have to go on holiday

Comments

[Evgeniy667b]

It’s good that there are still people like Dima Shapovalov! If at least something can be collected from this pile of metal, then this will be a great thing. For most, it’s just metal, making a freebie. For some reason, amer’s decommissioned equipment is packed in film and can be used. And we have a paranoid craving for destruction and dissociation. I saw in due time the cutting of the Tu-16 regiment, one to one. Until we get rid of greed from our consciousness, we should not expect good things. It is everywhere and in everything. Some kind of hatred for the results of someone else's work, for the common good.

[Bassman]

Hello, as I understood from the article, the handsome men in the photo belong to Vadim Zadorozhny. Why are they handsome? Because they are 100% sure that all these planes will not disappear with this person. And they will gain new life as museum exhibits. Vadim owns one of the largest in Europe and Russia's largest private museum of ancient technology. The best antique cars of the last century gathered here for a long time and with zeal: military equipment, weapons, air transport, motorcycles, retro cars - more than 1000 exhibits on the territory of 6000 square meters. I was in this museum. Awesome feeling! I highly recommend everyone who will be in Moscow.
http://www.tmuseum.ru/m/

[Bassman]

http://newslol.net/interestingly/2141-muzey-starinnoy-tehniki-vadima-zadorozhnog
o-61-foto.html

[Denis]

Now here you could see the sides saved from destruction from Tushino. They are still in this form, but I think it will not last long

I had to see the cemetery of technology in Tushino, a sad sight
Saves from cutting to metal, and so much is already cut

[Afinogen]

Again MiG-23B onboard 321

Of course, I could be wrong, but this is MIG 27. The MIG 23 has a straight "snobel", and the 27 has a beveled one.

[Iline]

Quote: Athenogen

Of course, I could be wrong, but this is MIG 27. The MIG 23 has a straight "snobel", and the 27 has a beveled one.

Also drew attention to this mistake, but let's forgive his guys. After all, their business is based on one naked enthusiasm and soon everything will fall into place and under the necessary names.

[tomket]

Quote: Athenogen

Of course, I could be wrong, but this is MIG 27. The MIG 23 has a straight "snobel", and the 27 has a beveled one.

There is a MiG-27, and there is a MiG-23 BN. both have a sloping nose for a better view.

[Aleksandr72]

MiG-23BN - fighter-bomber, created in the Design Bureau named after A.I. Mikoyan based on the MiG-23M fighter in 1970. As a result of its further development, the MiG-27 fighter-bomber appeared, which was mass-produced from 1974 to 1977. In total, about 560 aircraft of this type were produced. MiG-23BN and MiG-27 (and its modifications) are almost indistinguishable externally. The MiG-23 externally differs from its progenitor by a sloping nose, which houses the PrNK-23 sighting and navigation complex and a laser range finder - a target designator of various modifications instead of the airborne radar installed in the nose of the original MiG-23. Although the differences are actually much greater - they are completely different machines, although the basis is the same. This aircraft was withdrawn from the Russian Air Force, although I had read the pilots' opinion that the MiG-27 in the latest versions was the best fighter-bomber in the USSR in terms of its characteristics. Of the military use, mention can be made of the use of the MiG-27 at the end of hostilities in Afghanistan in 1988-89. At the same time, our pilots highly appreciated such its advantages: a large supply of fuel on board and, accordingly, a flight range, a thoughtful and durable design (especially the landing gear), high reliability of the aircraft, and ease of use of equipment by the pilot. Two air regiments that fought in Afghanistan on the MiG-27M, D and K were from the Central Asian military from Kazakhstan: the 129th apib from Taldy-Kurgan and the 134th apib from Zhangiztobe. These aircraft provided the withdrawal of the 40th Army from Afghanistan.
On the photo of the MiG-27K of the Air Force of Kazakhstan (photo of 2009):

[Argon]

More than one air unit attached to the 40th army did not sit on the MiG-27. Perhaps in 89 they missed occasionally, but they always worked "because of the river." There are rumors that in 86 (not otherwise with a hangover) a group was sent to the DRA. whether the 2nd, or the 4th cars, they were based in Shindand, for a short time (less than two months), they seemed to be experiencing something. A pathologically unsuccessful car. The wing, the center section constantly cracked, more and more, the working modifications were M and D., although they were also The "gemmoroy" was enough. In terms of the complex of operational characteristics, the 27th (M; D) was significantly inferior to the Su-17M4, although it had a more advanced navigation system.

[Aleksandr72]

Regarding the "Unsuccessful Machine":
Year-long military tests of the MiG-27 in the 722th apib were completed by the beginning of 1976 with 1130 flight hours. Together with the 642nd apib, the MiG-27 flying in the Air Force amounted to 2300 hours. The work of the leader regiment provided a wealth of experience. The aircraft proved to be a successful and reliable aircraft, however, not devoid of "childhood illnesses" and shortcomings (to identify which the trial operation was aimed). It was noted that most of them belonged to the CPN, due to which a failure in the air accounted for 50 flight hours, and any kind of malfunction on the ground - for 2,8 hours of operating time (for all systems). In just a year, from January 1975 to January 1976, there were 46 failures in flight and 800 on the ground, with a predominance of malfunctions of onboard equipment and weapons. Their maximum, in full accordance with the theory of reliability, fell on the beginning of mass operation in the spring and sharply, by half, fell by the fall, when the machine was better mastered, and the systems were improved.

On the airframe, there were frequent cracks in welding the tank-compartment No.2, destruction of the clamping plastic wing flaps and ridge parts, there were cracks in the welding of the titanium tail coke of the fuselage. There were unit failures and leaks in the hydraulic system. The largest number of defects was caused by the fuel system, where the wing caissons were often leaking in the fastening of panels, fuselage tanks and pipe joints, a signal of which were noticeable dirty streaks of kerosene. There was frequent failure to release the brake parachute due to jamming of the kinematics of the flaps, the MRK-30M refused, but the real scourge was the massive one-sided wear of the tires of the main wheels - the collapse did its job, when landing the wheels touched the concrete with the outer "cheek" and rubbed off on the side after a couple of dozen landings.
For the R-29B-300 engine in the first two years of operation of the MiG-27, 157 malfunctions were recorded (only 4,4% of comments on the aircraft as a whole), 11 of them happened in flight. The largest number of defects related to the oil system, and in half of the cases it remained operational, and the chip-in-oil signaling device junked. More serious was the destruction of the air bypass blades due to cracks, and the corrosive VNI-INP-50-1-4F oil caused problems in operation. At the same time, the most serious consequences were caused by the "human factor": 20 engines in the shelves had to be replaced "out of stupidity" - due to the ingress of any debris and forgotten mittens, covers and caps in the air intakes (as the guilty were justified, " to put something - convenient, and at hand ").
The MiG-27 also had other "childhood diseases" that were successfully eliminated.
The opinion of those who operated the aircraft (flight crew):
The general attitude towards the MiG-27 was respectful - the aircraft proved to be a machine that was perfectly suited for the tasks assigned to it. The requirements were best met by layout, weapons, and equipment.
Particular gratitude was caused by the excellent overview, which facilitated the orientation and search for targets: even a little roll was enough (for the MiG-21 and Su-7, except for the nose, there was nothing plain to see and, to look around, the pilots sometimes performed half-barrel, turning the plane over )
The new aircraft attracted pilots with its simplicity of piloting, maneuverability and good dynamics - the aircraft, twice as heavy as the MiG-21, swiftly went into the sky immediately after the lift-off and vigorously gained altitude. Fueled "under the plug" of the MiG-27, even with two tons of bombs, 2,5 minutes after the start of the takeoff run, it turned out to be at an altitude of 3000 m. During the exercises, it was felt that the MiG-27 is really a new generation machine both in terms of capabilities and in terms of combat effectiveness.
I have the honor.

[Aleksandr72]

On the combat use of the MiG-27 in Afghanistan:
By October 1988, the 24th ADIB group, which made up a full-fledged air regiment, which consisted of three squadrons (12 combat MiG-27s in each and four MiG-23UB "twin") from the 129th APIB (airbase in Taldy -Kurgan) and the 134th apib (Zhangiztobe) was ready to fly to Afghanistan for the planned replacement of the Su-17M4. The commander of the 134th APIB, as the group was called in the documents, was Lieutenant Colonel V.S. Markelov, who later became the Hero of Russia. The squadrons were commanded by Lieutenant Colonels V. Akashev, A. Blinov and V. Doroshenko. On October 29, after a 40-minute flight, the group overcame the last, shortest, segment of the route and landed in Shindand, whose airfield had served as an IBA base from the very beginning of the war. It was from this airfield that the MiG-27 fought.
The Shindandi air group left Afghanistan on February 4, 1989.
During the 95 days of the mission, pilots of the 134th APIB completed, on average, 70-80 sorties, each having 60-70 hours of flight.
According to the results of the Afghan exam, the MiG-27 proved to be a reliable and hardy machine. At the same time, the capabilities of the aircraft and its armament complex were far from fully utilized, primarily because of the originality of the theater of operations and the nature of hostilities, accompanied by many directive restrictions.
Short-term use in Afghanistan for a short time did not allow an adequate assessment of the combat effectiveness of the MiG-27. Nevertheless, it was possible to evaluate some of its advantages: the MiG-27 favorably differed from the Su-17MZ and M4 by the fuel reserve in internal tanks (4560 kg versus 3630 kg) and, accordingly, had a slightly longer range and flight duration with equal load. A more advantageous arrangement of equipment made it possible, if necessary, to expand the range of operation, dispensing with just one PTF-800 ventricular, while the Su-17 had to carry two tanks of the same capacity at once, which increased take-off weight, worsened flight performance and reduced the number of weapon suspension points. Loading the MiG-27 for Afghan conditions was more convenient. The aircraft nominally carried four ventral mounts, while the Su-17 required this equipment option to relocate the massive BDZ-57MT.
However, the MiG-27 was heavier - even with the same fuel reserve and combat load as the Su-17, the "extra" 1300 kg of the weight of the airframe and equipment made themselves felt, which is why the wing load and lower thrust-to-weight ratio were 10-12% higher (excess kilograms required more fuel consumption of the already more "gluttonous" engine than that of the Su-17). The result was the worst airplane volatility and take-off characteristics - the MiG-27 took longer to run and climbed more slowly. On landing, it was somewhat simpler, the design features with one-piece pivoting consoles, as well as the bearing properties of the fuselage and slugs, had an effect, due to which the landing speed of the MiG-27 was 260 km / h against 285 km / h for the Su-17M4, and mileage.
"Overload" was not an unambiguous constructive miscalculation - it included impressive 9-mm titanium armor plates for the cockpit (in addition to the MiG-27, only the Su-25 had reliable armor protection, the Su-17 pilots had to rely only on the spaced duralumin sheathing of the air channels enveloping the cockpit). At the same time, the engine, the fuel system, especially the wing tanks, with a significant affected area, did not have a filler with a polyurethane sponge, which effectively stopped fuel leaks and extinguished fires, remained vulnerable. The supply of nitrogen to the tanks was only a half measure, insufficiently effective for an attack aircraft. However, the MiG-27 (especially its later modifications) were never attack aircraft in the classical representation, but were intended mainly for "remote" destruction of the enemy with the help of guided weapons.
I have the honor

[Argon]

As I understand it, your post is a counter argument. The Greeks also said, "Brevity is the mother of talent" - read carefully what you are working out. I was on Shindand on the 20th of December 88. I spent three days there, the mess there started with a long-distance drive , 23 and Sparks I saw, stood tightly covered in caponiers, 27x in DRA (for two business trips) did not meet.

[basmach]

You are really mistaken. After 23, the MiG-23BN was created on its basis (just with a beveled nose). On the basis of the BN, the next model MiG-23BM was made - later called the MiG-27. It differed from the BN by the installation of the PrNK-23 complex based on the Orbit 10-15-23 digital computer, the Fon LD was later replaced by the Klen, and even later the Kaira LTPS (a very capricious thing) was installed, the cannon was also changed armament - instead of the GSh-23L, the GSh-6-30 was installed (an alteration of the 6-barreled shipborne anti-aircraft machine gun), by the way, the only domestic aircraft where it stands.

[crasever]

As a child, I had a chance to fly the Il-14, with red tails - polar aviation. It is a pity that they wrote off and left not one, like a monument - on takeoff from the Yakut strip "Mirny", maybe even now, you can see several disassembled fuselages ...

[Kamalin_AV]

The guys from Albatros Aero have two flying (!) Il-14s: Il-14 "Penguin" in the livery of polar reconnaissance and Il-14T "Blue Dream". Both sides are now at the Orlovka airfield. If interested, I can give the contacts of the guys.

[miv110]

It is likely that this is 23b compare with the picture (link to the description http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/mig23b.html). And the collection is magnificent and God forbid forces and means for its restoration. Good luck to the owner.

[viktmell]

Exactly - buy the god of means and forces to create a museum.

[Aleksiy]

I don’t understand one thing: Russia is such a big country, so much land, and really it’s impossible to allocate sites for decommissioned planes, put them on conservation and let them stand, or in each city make a site a museum with real equipment, and take schoolchildren on excursions. The militias in the Donbass won a tank from the pedestal. All this talk about the fact that by the eleventh year there will be hundreds of T-50s in the Russian Air Force is only on paper, and you don’t have time. It's great that there are still such enthusiasts, but there are very few of them, and money for such projects is not small, and Zadorozhny Vadim is certainly well done.

[Hairy Siberian]

Is this a case of the Dassault Hurricane fuselage?

[parafoiler]

Hike yes- "Hurricane". And the Spark MiG-25 has the letter index PU, not UB. Yes ... The work of bringing all this wealth into a divine form will be enough for many years.

[tomket]

Interestingly, "hurricane" is a trophy from Soviet times, or barter of the present?

[Hairy Siberian]

One could assume that the Israeli, shot down by the Arabs, but the identification marks of the French Air Force.
Most likely a gift from the French museum.
The "Normandie-Niemen" on the coat of arms also has a lightning like on this fuselage.

[Yabobylev]

In our climate without systematic maintenance, open storage is short-lived. The aluminum can withstand the coast of the Chukchi Sea on the street for up to 10 years, then to dust.

[asiat_61]

Good luck in a good endeavor !!!!!!!

[michell]

The flight director’s car is also a rarity, which ones to look for - ZiS-151. There are almost no simple trucks left, but here is a special vehicle. Taking off my hat

[TsUS-Air Force]

totally agree with you!

[Vovanfalcon]

http://topwar.ru/28731-mig-23b-udarnyy-bombardirovschik.html Первый экземпляр истребителя-бомбардировщика МиГ-23Б («32-24/1») на аэродроме ЛИИ в Жуковском. Февраль 1971 г.

[Arktidianets]

Looking at cars in such a condition, my heart bleeds, I hope most of them will be restored for a static exposure, I wish the organizers good luck in this difficult but noble business !!

[bistrov.]

One of the photographs depicts a launch vehicle based on the ZIL-157 all-wheel drive truck, created on the basis of the ZIL- (ZIS) -164.ZIL -157 possessed outstanding operational qualities and was produced in small series until the 80's, while the ZIL-164 was replaced by at the beginning of the 60s on an excellent ZIL-130 truck, which can still be seen driving along our roads. The ZIL automobile plant (Likhachev plant, the first director) has its history since 1916 (AMO-Moscow Automobile Society), at the end of the 20s it was renamed ZIS (Stalin plant) ZIS in the 30-40s produced the famous ZIS-5 trucks, which can be said to have won the war, after Stalin was accused of a personality cult, the plant was renamed by the name of its first Soviet director Likhachev.

[bistrov.]

I apologize, the photo really shows the car ZIS-151, and not ZIL-157, the difference lies in the other chassis and the presence of self-priming wheels. I didn’t get it right away.

[Support]

Honestly, it’s great that there are people with opportunities and with the desire to preserve our Russian History, the History of Aviation. Honor and praise to them, although it sounds corny, but very capaciously and truthfully reflects my opinion. And the opinion, I think, of many others. Thanks to Them Collectors and Keepers!

[Blad_21617]

Who can tell me, What is this ?!

[TsUS-Air Force]

Tipo daltoplan. airplane without engine. dispersed by a tugboat it takes off and soars. on TV they somehow showed a program about such devices

[Aleksandr72]

Apparently - this is the fuselage with the cockpit light, part of the keel, the stabilizer and the rear wheel, a twin of the Yak-55 sports aerobatic aircraft.
The Yak-55 aerobatic aircraft was developed at the OKB im. A.S. Yakovlev in 1979. The chief designer of the Yak-55 was Yuri Yankevich. For the first time on this aircraft, a symmetrical wing was used, installed without an angle of attack, the thrust vector axis is aligned with the wing chord. This wing design has simplified the performance of many aerobatics, from the usual "kicks" to complex figures on the verticals: "bell", "abracadabra", positive and negative spin "rolls". The wing design was patented and many sports aircraft in the USA, Germany, Austria and France were produced on its basis in the 1980s.
The Yak-55 is a single-seat monoplane with a mid-position free-carrying wing of a symmetrical profile. Landing gear, tricycle, with tail support. The aircraft is equipped with a piston star-shaped 9-cylinder air-cooled engine M-14P with a variable-pitch propeller V-530TA-D35.
At the world aerobatics championships in 1982 and 1986, the USSR team competed in the Yak-55. In 1985, the wing and ailerons were modernized and in this form the aircraft was put into serial production at the Arsenyev Aviation Plant. Issued about 100 aircraft.

[52]

Yak-55. It is difficult to confuse with someone

[kind]

On the 30th photo in the foreground is the 8K14 operational-tactical missile, the 9K72 Elbrus missile system (“Scud” in NATO terminology). How did she get here?

[Inok10]

Quote: Good

On the 30th photo in the foreground is the 8K14 operational-tactical missile, the 9K72 Elbrus missile system (“Scud” in NATO terminology). How did she get here?

.. also drew attention .. but there is an even more unique specimen in this collection of KS-1 "Comet" our first anti-ship missile system .. well, that's what I highlighted in blue I don't know .. who knows? ..

[Argon]

This is the fuselage of the La-17 "target" (some kind of its modification?). In the photo, the P-63 is uniquely determined by the specific shape of the air intakes of the cooling systems, and judging by the braid of the "lantern", this is one of the modifications of "A". it is easy to distinguish from the percussion modifications of the MiG-27 by the absence of "wedges" of the VZU regulators.

[Inok10]

Quote: Argon

This is the fuselage of the La-17 "target" (some kind of its modification?). In the photo, the P-63 is uniquely determined by the specific shape of the air intakes of the cooling systems, and judging by the braid of the "lantern", this is one of the modifications of "A". it is easy to distinguish from the percussion modifications of the MiG-27 by the absence of "wedges" of the VZU regulators.

.. thank you, plus from me ..

[Afinogen]

Quote: Argon

This is the fuselage of the La-17 "target" (some kind of its modification

Cool, is it that he lies there with screwed-on powder boosters? This can be removed and fastened to the lasaped, try to accelerate

[TsUS-Air Force]

piled a bunch of garbage in the middle of the forest ecological zone. No, they would have taken it to the factory, restored everything beautifully and then organized a normal museum. here in monino everything stands rusts and goes out

[6 inches]

you need a lot of money to the factory. and here they themselves will do it slowly. Here and taken out ..

[Moore]

This is the new base of the Vadim Zadorozhniy Museum of Technology. This is a dirt airfield on which his flying collection will probably be based and apparently something on a static. Now here you could see the sides saved from destruction from Tushino. They are still in this form, but I think it will not be long.

A low bow to Zadorozhniy for what he does. I don’t know if he is building abram-shaped yachts for show-offs, but it’s hard to overestimate his asceticism.
It is not entirely clear only: the "flying collection" (and what is it?) Will fly from a dirt strip, or is he still going to make a concrete strip?

[serge siberian]

our Russian language is great and powerful, but there are no words (I can’t pick it up) I take off my hat to such people! there is an opportunity to collect the history of my country it is wonderful! God help people are good!

[Vovan 73]

Where the photo of the Yak-55 piston aerobatic pilot is unambiguous, and where the photo with the inscription "not clear" ... this is most likely a Su 20 or 22 with an R-29BS-300 engine (if my memory serves me right), this is indicated by a characteristic thickening of the fuselage at the engine location

[Rriv]

I wonder why in some instances the glass of the lanterns is transparent (even in the Aero Cobra?), While in others (mainly the MiG-25) it became dull brown?

[RONIN-HS]

Well, where is our state ..?

Here it is necessary to send the practice of cadets of military aviation schools to PRESERVE THE TECHNICAL HISTORY of our aviation. AND would not hurt to allocate money for this. In the future it can pay off, for example at the filming of movies ...
And most importantly - to save the technique.
I am a sailor, not a pilot, but - RESPECT to devotees. THANK..!

PS ... And for starters to remove all this in the hangars, at least for this money gave ...!

[The point]

They started a good deed. God help the children.

PS Admins, what kind of garbage is about a nick instead of a native flag? Where is ours gone?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Maksud

PS Admins, what kind of garbage is about a nick instead of a native flag?

You have been granted the status of a citizen of Iceland, appreciate it

[The point]

It's funny But I am not torn in the EU, I am not a girl and I do not require lace panties. How to return citizenship?

[voyaka uh]

It seems to me that without closed pavilions contain
and it’s impossible to restore these interesting exhibits.
The climate, unfortunately, will destroy everything.

[Leader]

Vadim Zadorozhny is doing a great job to preserve the cultural heritage of our country, especially such a rare part of it as "militaria".
And almost no help from the state. And I’m generally silent about our oligarchs ...
I hope the next revolution will outweigh them all!

[Urri]

It seems to me that the state could well help such an enthusiast. Not even financially.
It is quite possible to help just organizationally. Letters of the Minister of Defense with permission to take officially written-off aircraft from their military units, their components and assemblies would be enough for a start. Abandoned airfields in the north store many rare items.
And even the budget of the Moscow region by no means would be impoverished for one or two hangar frame buildings, at least for the equipment of the restoration site.
Just an excursion of middle school students to this interesting place will become unforgettable and will be remembered for many years. And for some it will become a turning point in fate. Let one, two, but in the country there will be more engineers and pilots, and less - sales managers of the motherland.

[glasha3032]

According to the mind. Zadorozhnoye now needs to ring up the repair plants and warehouses of the Moscow Region in search of aircraft assets that may still be decommissioned but not yet thrown away. Time is running out and soon there will be nothing left that can be used for repair and restoration .. .

[d-shvets]

A great plan to make a museum and keep a piece of history. Thorny, difficult and long way. Good luck in its implementation!