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Blow to orthodox souls

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Today, after the Holy Sunday of the Lord, after the greatest holiday of Orthodox Christians in the world, I want to write a good article about faith. You always want good, but it turns out again not very.

And again, the cause is Ukraine and the Ukrainian question.



Orthodoxy is that rope, that steel cable that holds our souls together. It is the soul, at some sacred level. Economy connects the stomachs, if you will, the peoples digestive systems. Politics unites heads, bodies of states. But only faith, only one God unites souls.

Our faith, our Orthodox Church, the one that has blessed martial and worldly for feats for more than a thousand years, is now being subjected to another test. Church want to break from the inside. They want to create ukroerzats faith.

Back in Soviet times, when it was not customary to advertise their commitment to the church, in a small church in the territory of one of the Moscow factories, one could constantly see strong, trained men with a hard look. Obviously not the workers of this plant or the ZIL plant that was nearby. They silently laid flowers on the graves of the warrior monks Peresvet and Oslyabi. Silently put the funeral candles. They silently prayed about the icons and left. They left to return or never to return. But this is so, the lyrics for those who returned. Not the lyrics that even in those days it was necessary for the soul, in addition to the Charter of the CPSU.

You ask, what about Ukraine? And despite the fact that it is by faith that the next blow will be dealt.

Ukrainian Orthodoxy is now divided into three parts. More precisely, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church is divided. These are the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Kyiv Patriarchate and the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church.

The most powerful is still UPTSMP. Just because once it was strengthened in these places. Because Khreshchatyk in Kiev. Because Kiev-Pechersk Lavra. Many citizens of the former Ukraine, Orthodox Christians, the flock of this church.

The second largest is the UTSCP. The church, created in opposition to the UPTSMP. In many ways, openly opposing the Moscow Patriarchate.

And the third, the smallest of the existing - UAOC.

This is the initial balance of power.

For several years, the churches and monasteries of the UPTsMP have been seized by representatives of other churches. Priests are expelled from the parishes with the full connivance of the authorities. Monasteries and temples in the east of the former Ukraine have been desecrated and destroyed for a year. In the zone of the so-called ATO. But this is not enough. Faith persists.

Inside the competing churches a new plan has matured. More precisely, he matured a long time ago, now he was just voiced. Obvious from the point of view of formal logic, but not feasible before. Talk about the merger of the UOCCC and the UAOC begins. It is not even about the union, but the absorption of one of the churches.

The main opponent of such a union was the head of the UAOC, Metropolitan Methodius. It was he, with his energy and authority, that kept the Autocephalous Church independent. Yes, and personal relations with Metropolitan Filaret were, to put it mildly, not very. But just recently, 24 in February of this year, Methodius died. Eternal people does not happen. We all come and go in due time. The time has come and Metropolitan Methodius.

Macau became the locum tenant of the UAOC. And it was he who, in his interview after the holiday liturgy, declared his desire to unite. Moreover, the statement said about the removal of conditions for the association.

“I do not pretend and will not claim a leadership. I am ready to yield. ” These words of Macarius speak for themselves.

The reaction of the UTSCP was instantaneous. Patriarch Filaret was not long in coming.

"If they seriously want to unite - let's unite" Ie readiness of both parties is confirmed.

Where does the wind come from? Where did this idea come from? And it becomes clear when you dig a little bit of material. Constantinople. More precisely, the Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople. It was from his submission that Ukrainians began to push in every way to create a single Ukrainian Orthodox Church, independent of the Moscow Patriarchate. It was after the meeting with him, having enlisted his support, Mari made a statement about the union.

What does this threaten the souls of Ukrainians? Yes, and our souls, too? Well, unite, so what? Faith will remain Orthodox. So, no contradictions. Only not so simple.

We are present at the birth of a new, fairly large church. Orthodox, but competing with PCMP. The church, which for the first time in stories Orthodoxy will not be built on the attraction of new believers, not on the creation of new churches and monasteries, but on the capture of already existing Orthodox communities. On the revision of the orthodoxy itself.

Such a Bright Week began in Ukraine.

I really hope that representatives of the Moscow Patriarchate and representatives of the UPTSMP will smash our thoughts and arguments in the comments or in their publications. Near church affairs are known to them better than ours. But so far, we, ordinary parishioners, ordinary believers, have thoughts like we have described.

The program for the restructuring of the brain in Ukraine continues to gain momentum. And each head has its own woodpecker. Young and young - the Internet. Older - TV. Believers - the church. No one, as they say, should remain "uninspired."
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  1. strelets
    strelets April 15 2015 06: 37
    +4
    Hmm, here are the Crusades ... Soul Catchers do not sleep.
    Scary for Ukraine and for the people. I would like to think that one day they will look back and be horrified by the deeds of their hands.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 15 2015 07: 14
      +4
      Orthodoxy is that rope, that steel cable that holds our souls together.
      with all due respect ... I never understood THIS. I'm goddamn atheist, and I will probably burn in hellish flame laughing however, I am convinced that a good person is not dependent on faith, for many praying do evil ... (do not rush with slippers, this is just my opinion)
      1. Darkness
        Darkness April 15 2015 07: 17
        -15
        To understand how strong this cable is, you need to introduce a tax on faith.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 April 15 2015 08: 43
          +3
          Quote: Darkness
          To understand how strong this cable is, you need to introduce a tax on faith.

          Are you offering to return the church tithe? Believers are already "paying the tax", but why not believers? Our country is a lot of confessional - on what faith will they take tribute? Will this not lead to a split of the country on a religious basis, when non-believers will take the side of believers of their relatives?
          1. Darkness
            Darkness April 15 2015 09: 49
            -12
            Eeeeeee. No.
            In a different way, a little.
            Orthodox? Kindly pay a percentage of your salary in support of your religion.
            Muslim? Same. Well, further down the list.
            I have a strong suspicion that the majority, suddenly, will remember that they are atheists)))
            Well, or they will run into paganism.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding April 15 2015 10: 57
              +3
              respected Boris55 answered other nonsense in advance.
              foreseeing, for nothing new, the Gloom, you have not written here.

              Quote: Darkness
              Well, or they will run into paganism.

              bloody victims come out cheaper?
              1. Darkness
                Darkness April 15 2015 11: 03
                0
                In more detail about the bloody victims can be? In Russia, about 2 million pagans (officially)
                Where and what sacrifices are made? Or are you lying?
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding April 15 2015 11: 37
                  +3
                  Quote: Darkness
                  In more detail about the bloody victims can be?

                  but in more detail about paganism is possible?
                  I’m unreasonable, I judge by textbooks and the results of excavations.
                  1. Darkness
                    Darkness April 15 2015 12: 16
                    -6
                    I'm talking about modern pagans. They do not drag ancient obscurantism into the 21st century. Unlike...
                    1. Flooding
                      Flooding April 15 2015 12: 38
                      +3
                      Quote: Darkness
                      I'm talking about modern pagans

                      I do not know of such "modern paganism".
                      But seriously, it is that same obscurantism.
                      Wipe your eyes.
                      1. Darkness
                        Darkness April 15 2015 12: 49
                        -4
                        Somehow you contradict yourself.))))
                        Maybe you need to study a little topic? Although, judging by your profile picture, you are useless.
                      2. Flooding
                        Flooding April 15 2015 12: 59
                        +2
                        Quote: Darkness
                        Somehow you contradict yourself.))))

                        Surprisingly, I do it openly, and I point out this contradiction in an explicit way. Explain why? Because there is no "modern paganism" as a religion. But it still exists as sectarianism and anti-Russian ideology.
                        Understand what a paradox. Therefore, I insist no, but there is.
                        Quote: Darkness
                        Maybe you need to study a little topic?

                        Maybe you can advise me to read brochures of white brothers or new preachers?
                        Quote: Darkness
                        Although, judging by your profile picture, you are useless

                        Let's discuss not my profile picture but your nickname?
                      3. Darkness
                        Darkness April 15 2015 14: 20
                        -6
                        Paganism today is not a religion. This is closer to atheism, well, if very briefly.
                        And where does the white brothers and other riffraff?
                        And your avatar is listed as extremist.
                      4. Flooding
                        Flooding April 15 2015 15: 07
                        +4
                        Quote: Darkness
                        Paganism today is not a religion. This is closer to atheism, well, if very briefly.

                        Initially, it was clear that attacks on Orthodoxy were scabies from pagan hooves. And atheism has nothing to do with it.
                        Quote: Darkness
                        And where does the white brothers and other riffraff?

                        At the same time, is it possible that you advise me to get to know another shushera better?
                        Quote: Darkness
                        And your avatar is listed as extremist.

                        Write your address - let me tell you where the nearest court is.
                      5. Moses
                        Moses April 16 2015 03: 57
                        0
                        atheism is also a religion and the belief that there is no god, that is, it is a false religion that cursed itself and excommunicated from God, which is possible only through Christ
              2. Uncle
                Uncle April 15 2015 13: 38
                0
                Quote: Flood
                respected Boris55 answered other nonsense in advance.

                He is a Muslim, by the way.
              3. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 April 15 2015 17: 20
                0
                Quote: Flood
                bloody victims come out cheaper?

                The cattle were indeed sacrificed to the gods. And about the human - slander of Western historians and priests. The word "blasphemy" has a negative connotation in Christianity, although in reality it is not. Koshchuns were called guslars-storytellers, for the Scandinavians they are skalds. Here's a small example of misinterpreting history.
                So if you do not have the facts of "bloody victims", then do not slander your ancestors. hi
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding April 16 2015 09: 11
                  0
                  Sorry, I didn’t notice it yesterday.
                  Thoughtfully. But where do you deign to notice in my lines
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  about human
                  ??
                  You really get to the bottom. Or maybe I mentioned something about
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  The word "blasphemy"
                  ??
                  Also no.
                  Or just someone unbearable to share with me, wretched, their innermost knowledge?
                  And whoever speaks against ancestors, let me not poke a kitten into a puddle.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 April 16 2015 16: 38
                    0
                    Quote: Flood
                    But where do you deign to notice in my lines about human
                    Then, mentioning the "bloody sacrifices" would be honestly mention that animals are meant. And then they indiscriminately accused paganism of bloody sacrifices, probably eating something meat for dinner. laughing
                    And I cited Blasphemy as an example to make it clear how the "demonization" of unwanted words, knowledge, religions occurs. It is a pity that you simply did not understand the essence of your emotions.
                    with me, wretchedthem
                    - At God.
                    1. Flooding
                      Flooding April 16 2015 17: 42
                      0
                      Dear Ingvar, you just do not understand me fundamentally.
                      I wrote about the "bloody sacrifices" without going into details.
                      For me, it is an undeniable fact that the Gentiles did not disdain people.
                      But I did not emphasize this, because Neopagan citizen Gloom wrote about the financial aspect.
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      And then they indiscriminately accused paganism of bloody sacrifices, probably eating something meat for dinner.

                      You are biased and biased. Indiscriminately? In what? Or just screwed up for a red word?
                      And what did my cutlet not please you? Or maybe the Gentiles did not eat meat?
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      And I cited Blasphemy as an example in order to understand how the "demonization" of unwanted words, knowledge, religions occurs.

                      Well, yes, even about the "witches" they forgot to enlighten me. But again by.
                      I did not demonize Old Russian paganism. I wrote about our contemporaries.
                      Which just do not have a deep knowledge of either the religion of the ancestors or the Christian faith of grandfathers. But because of their spiritual poverty, they allow themselves great liberties.
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      - At God.

                      The last line is unmatched.
            2. kyznets
              kyznets April 15 2015 15: 30
              +6
              An Orthodox and churched person, and so every Sunday goes to church, and sacrifices because of opportunities (income). I think Muslims also visit the mosque regularly and donate to the same. So, that taxed us, believers, do not scare. The Lord will not allow us to suffer beyond what we can do. But living from this with the rest, tax free on faith, will not be better, that's for sure. Or maybe it will be worse. Yes, and actively non-believers that which does not sleep, does not eat peacefully? How do we believers interfere with them? They feed us, do they work for us? But we pray for all, and for believers, and for unbelievers, for Russia, for peace, for children and the elderly. What do they dislike about this? Are the exploits of Polygraph Polygraphych and Comrade Schwonder trying on themselves?
              1. Darkness
                Darkness April 15 2015 15: 49
                -4
                I really do not like that the state finances religious institutions from the budget.
                And the fact that religious institutions do not pay sales tax on their paraphernalia.
            3. O_RUS
              O_RUS April 15 2015 16: 59
              +1
              Quote: Darkness
              I have a strong suspicion that the majority, suddenly, will remember that they are atheists)))
              Well, or they will run into paganism.


              So both atheists and pagans will receive "their" tax.
              1. Darkness
                Darkness April 15 2015 17: 03
                -1
                Atheists already have personal income tax)))
            4. Moses
              Moses April 16 2015 03: 52
              -1
              you must have forgotten "do good in secret and God will reward explicitly"
        2. Flooding
          Flooding April 15 2015 10: 54
          +1
          Quote: Darkness
          To understand how strong this cable is, you need to introduce a tax on faith.

          so what is there to trifle.
          right away the tax on the soul and its salvation?
          How do you like this idea?
          1. Darkness
            Darkness April 15 2015 11: 04
            -2
            And if there is no soul?
            Well, and through the distribution of indulgences have already passed.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding April 15 2015 11: 38
              +4
              Quote: Darkness
              And if there is no soul?

              in this time it is possible to drive round dances to wooden idols
              Quote: Darkness
              Well, and through the distribution of indulgences have already passed.

              where did you go? Al non-Russian?
              1. Darkness
                Darkness April 15 2015 12: 18
                -2
                What is wrong with round dances? People have fun, do not bother anyone.
                And, most importantly, their worldview is not imposed on anyone. And they do not consider people with a different worldview as flawed and not correct.
            2. Moses
              Moses April 16 2015 04: 04
              0
              there is a spirit of soul and body, it becomes clearly experienced by creating a spiritual temple of virtues and impassivity
        3. Yura
          Yura April 15 2015 11: 33
          +3
          If we recall that in Soviet religious freedom was called freedom of conscience, that is, for those who remember this and for that, these things are almost synonymous, your proposal may sound like tax on conscience.
          Quote: Darkness
          To understand how strong this cable is, you must enter tax on faith.
          The minuses are not mine, although for this particular comment probably should have been put.
          1. Darkness
            Darkness April 15 2015 12: 28
            -1
            No, I'm a little about something else.
          2. Moses
            Moses April 16 2015 04: 06
            0
            in fact, a free conscience is a conscience free from passions, this can only be learned from the holy fathers of the Orthodox Church
      2. Yars
        Yars April 15 2015 08: 42
        +11
        The baptism of Russia was done in order to unite the fraternal Slavic peoples with a single faith. This is understood in the west, because they are always trying to destroy the Orthodox Church.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 April 15 2015 08: 46
          +2
          Quote: YARS
          The baptism of Russia was made in order to unite the fraternal Slavic peoples with a single faith.

          Well, where are these Slav brothers - Poles, Hungarians, Romanians, Bulgarians?
          1. Darkness
            Darkness April 15 2015 09: 06
            -1
            Everyone is here. Only they cannot be called brothers.
          2. kyznets
            kyznets April 15 2015 15: 33
            +3
            Hungarians are not Slavs.
          3. Tor hummer
            Tor hummer April 16 2015 02: 24
            0
            Quote: Boris55
            Well, where are these Slav brothers - Poles, Hungarians, Romanians, Bulgarians?


            Firstly, we are talking about Russia, to which the Poles, Hungarians, Romanians and Bulgarians do not belong.
        2. Darkness
          Darkness April 15 2015 09: 04
          -4
          After baptism, there was a bloody massacre between Orthodox princes. Russia, created by Svyatoslav, virtually ceased to exist.
          1. Tor hummer
            Tor hummer April 16 2015 02: 26
            +1
            Quote: Darkness
            After baptism, there was a bloody massacre between Orthodox princes. Russia, created by Svyatoslav, virtually ceased to exist.


            Go learn the story - civil strife was in Russia from the beginning, exactly like in other European countries of that period.
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      3. Yura
        Yura April 15 2015 11: 23
        +3
        Wow, slippers have already flown, I also think that being good and decent, regardless of whether he believes or is an atheist, is a virtue available to everyone, though not everyone needs it, but that's another matter. smile
        Andrey Yuryevich
        however, I am convinced that a good person is not dependent on faith
  2. Same lech
    Same lech April 15 2015 06: 50
    +5
    The brain restructuring program in Ukraine continues to gain momentum.


    Then these same people will undoubtedly be the punishers and murderers of our women and children ... The United States is preparing a SATAN legion to fight us ... it is very dangerous for us.
    1. domokl
      domokl April 15 2015 06: 59
      +6
      Yes, how many have already been cooked ... They buried it in the ground, and drowned it in the lake, and buried it in the snow.
      The fact is that we again pretend that we don’t notice anything. We are again waiting for this new hydra to grow and it will already need to be pressed on the adult. Why not be pressed down in the bud?
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich April 15 2015 07: 20
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        .And why not pin down in the bud?

        so ... so ... Sasha, your suggestions? what
        1. domokl
          domokl April 15 2015 07: 35
          +4
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          so ... so ... Sasha, your suggestions?

          The proposals, as written in the article, should be with the PCMP. And they should fight for the believers. Otherwise, we will get not just ideological enemies. We will get religious fanatics as enemies.
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich April 15 2015 07: 54
            0
            Quote: domokl
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            so ... so ... Sasha, your suggestions?

            The proposals, as written in the article, should be with the PCMP. And they should fight for the believers. Otherwise, we will get not just ideological enemies. We will get religious fanatics as enemies.

            so ideological or religious? It seems to me that these are different concepts. No? but in general, in fact, religion and war go hand in hand ... you should make conclusions. (not for you Sasha, but for people in general)
      2. Darkness
        Darkness April 15 2015 07: 33
        0
        They will crush themselves.
        And, in general, Ruin is such an Eldorado for psychiatry and psychology. You can write more than one doctorate))))
    2. Darkness
      Darkness April 15 2015 07: 12
      0
      In order for them to be punitive, they still need to go to our territory. I can’t even imagine how this cowardly herd will climb to fight with Russia.
      1. domokl
        domokl April 15 2015 07: 37
        +5
        Quote: Darkness
        they still need to enter our territory.

        And what is stopping them? Now in Russia there are more than one million Ukrainians. Not ours, but citizens of Ukraine. And no one closes the borders to increase their numbers.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 April 15 2015 09: 00
          +2
          Quote: domokl
          And what is stopping them? Now in Russia there are more than one million Ukrainians. Not ours, but citizens of Ukraine. And no one closes the borders to increase their numbers.

          You underestimate our special services. If it were so simple, then Savchenko would not have been "caught" and dill with a bad tooth would not have been exposed in our hospital.

          Ukraine is now playing the role of a jackal from the cartoon about Mowgli, behind which there is a sharkhan. With whom does Mowgli fight - with a jackal or with a sharkhan? Does Russia oppose Ukraine or the USA?
  3. Darkness
    Darkness April 15 2015 07: 11
    -2
    The only steel cable that holds us together is the memory of the Great Patriotic War. So they want to cut him off now. Ukrainians have practically succeeded, in Russia, so far, not so much.
    And religion has long ago united no one. Only if fanatics.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 15 2015 07: 26
      +1
      Quote: Darkness
      The only steel cable that holds us together is the memory of the Great Patriotic War. So they want to cut him off now. Ukrainians almost succeeded, in Russia, so far, not really.
      And religion has long ago united no one. Only if fanatics.

      in Russia it won’t work out, we have a different mentality, it’s sacred for us, but otherwise Sasha is plus. but get ready, now the Orthodox will throw us down with you minuses ....
      1. Darkness
        Darkness April 15 2015 07: 31
        -3
        Well, depending on how much crap is pouring out on the subject of Victory now, with all sorts of Svanidzis and other Mikhalkovs, it is very difficult to counter this, especially the younger generation.
        There, even the emblem of Victory was changed. Thu.
      2. O_RUS
        O_RUS April 15 2015 17: 14
        +3
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        but get ready, now the Orthodox will throw us with your minuses ....


        You and Masha are "united" by atheism, and others are united by faith. What prevents you from being with the Orthodox?
        No one is pulled into faith by force, but the discussion of Orthodoxy is a favorite "horse" for some.
      3. lidiy
        lidiy April 15 2015 21: 07
        +1
        You wrote earlier: "I'm a god damned atheist." If you knew the basics of Orthodoxy a little, you would understand that only man himself can turn away from God, God from man, never. To put it simply, God is the sun. How do you think the sun can turn away from a person or curse him? The sun always shines equally brightly for everyone, no matter what events occur on Earth.
        Try to go to the site "Alphabet of Orthodoxy". I liked it very much. And once I also thought like you.
    2. domokl
      domokl April 15 2015 07: 40
      +4
      Quote: Darkness
      And religion has long ago united no one. Only if fanatics.

      Last Sunday, where were you? The TV wasn’t turned on accidentally? There was just an answer to your thesis.
      But the theme of Victory now, in this article, we do not specifically raise. Do not interfere with the huge layers of history. Otherwise, we’ll erase the topic.
      1. Darkness
        Darkness April 15 2015 09: 14
        -7
        Cosmonautics Day celebrated. And what?
        On TV, for about 20 years, such dregs have shown that I practically do not watch it.
        The theme of Victory must always be raised, because it is gradually washed out and overgrown with myths and fables, including especially "Orthodox" people and clergymen.
    3. Flooding
      Flooding April 15 2015 11: 01
      +3
      Quote: Darkness
      And religion has long ago united no one. Only if fanatics.

      infidelity, take courage and come and look from afar at these "fanatics", at their enlightened faces. Listen to you, so the great victory over fascism appeared out of nowhere, not from the roots of the Russian people.
      1. Darkness
        Darkness April 15 2015 11: 09
        +2
        Good to attribute my fantasies to me.
        The victory in the Great Patriotic Country was won by the USSR. An atheistic country with a multinational people, in which the Russian people played the main role.
        These people fought for their land, for their near and dear ones, and not for some gods.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding April 15 2015 11: 42
          +2
          Quote: Darkness
          The victory in the Great Patriotic Country was won by the USSR. An atheistic country with a multinational people, in which the Russian people played the main role.

          Such nonsense can only be written by a person who does not know the history of his country and his people.
          From the family of only one of my great-grandfathers of four men, only one of my infancy grandfathers survived. The rest was taken by the war, and in the hut there were icons. And how many there were in this village alone ...
          Remember, only weeds grow from scratch. And the USSR did not grow up in the wasteland.
          1. Darkness
            Darkness April 15 2015 12: 22
            -1
            Well, my great-grandfathers were atheists. And they also laid down their heads for their homeland and for Stalin.
            And what country was the USSR by "religion"? Is it really Orthodox?
            The USSR grew up on the remnants of a country that was literally torn apart by enemies.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding April 15 2015 12: 36
              +5
              Quote: Darkness
              Well, my great-grandfathers were atheists. And they also laid down their heads for their homeland and for Stalin.

              Amazing Nor do I shout that the Orthodox people crushed the fascist reptile. It never crossed my mind. And someone tells fables about the victory of an atheist country.
              Quote: Darkness
              And what country was the USSR by "religion"? Is it really Orthodox?

              Does anyone claim this?
              Quote: Darkness
              The USSR grew up on the remnants of a country that was literally torn apart by enemies

              Do not forget the very great people in question. Once again, I return to the first point.
              Quote: Joseph Vissarionovich
              “Comrades, let me raise another, last toast.
              I would like to raise a toast to the health of our Soviet people, and above all the Russian people ...
              “I drink, first of all,” Stalin continued, “for the health of the Russian people because they are the most outstanding nation of all the nations that make up the Soviet Union. I raise a toast to the health of the Russian people because they have earned general recognition in this war as the leading force of the Soviet Union among all the peoples of our country.
              I raise a toast to the health of the Russian people, not only because they are the leading people, but also because they have a clear mind, a strong character, and patience. Our government had many mistakes, we had moments of desperate situation in 1941-1942, when our army retreated, left our native villages and cities of Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, the Leningrad Region, the Baltic States, the Karelian-Finnish Republic, left because there was no other way. Other people could say to the government: you did not live up to our expectations, go away, we will set up another government that will conclude peace with Germany and provide us with peace. But the Russian people did not go for it, for they believed in the correctness of the policy of their government and made sacrifices to ensure the defeat of Germany. And this confidence of the Russian people in the Soviet government turned out to be the decisive force that ensured a historic victory over the enemy of mankind - over fascism.
              Thanks to him, the Russian people, for this trust! ”

              And not a word about the role of atheism and the state.
              1. Darkness
                Darkness April 15 2015 14: 27
                0
                Well, Stalin speaks directly about the role of the state. Or don't you notice?
                Is there even a line about the role of TNB?
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding April 15 2015 15: 08
                  0
                  Quote: Darkness
                  Well, Stalin speaks directly about the role of the state. Or don't you notice?

                  I noticed everything. And the outstanding role of the Russian people, and the mistakes of the government.
                  1. Darkness
                    Darkness April 15 2015 15: 33
                    +1
                    Is the Russian people not a part of the state?
                    1. Flooding
                      Flooding April 15 2015 16: 51
                      +1
                      Quote: Darkness
                      Is the Russian people not a part of the state?

                      What kind of mimicry? Himself not disgusted?
                      That is, by an atheistic state did you mean the atheistic Russian people?
                      This must be turned out like that ...
                      I bow out.
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            3. Heimdall48
              Heimdall48 April 15 2015 14: 44
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              Well, my great-grandfathers were atheists

              They were by chance not the very circumcised commissars in leather jackets with Mausers, who had lifted up the hem of Russia, as their comrade Kaganovich put it?
              1. Darkness
                Darkness April 15 2015 15: 05
                -2
                By chance, no.
            4. Moses
              Moses April 16 2015 04: 20
              0
              now you lie
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        3. Heimdall48
          Heimdall48 April 15 2015 14: 40
          +1
          Atheistic country with multinational people

          The fact that at 17 this label was pasted on Russia does not mean that the country has become just that. Such things are not implemented at the click of a finger. You can recall the results of the census of the late 30s, when most of the respondents called themselves believers.
          So formally the USSR -
          Atheistic country with multinational people
          , but in fact it’s a lie. And now it lives and thrives.

          in which the main role was played by the Russian people.

          Now I agree.
          1. Darkness
            Darkness April 15 2015 14: 46
            -3
            What worldview was official in the USSR?
            And these so-called. the "believers" with great pleasure abandoned religion as such.
            1. Heimdall48
              Heimdall48 April 15 2015 15: 18
              +1
              What worldview was official in the USSR?

              Atheism and materialism. But when this worldview was made official, the people were not asked. And when the Cathedral of Christ the Savior was officially blown up - the referendum was not held nationwide. All this was done by bayonets with mockery of the people.
              If at the bazaar the seller, on his own initiative, calls the sturgeon a flounder regardless of the opinions of others, he is a bad person. And the label does not make sturgeon flounder - the main content.
              And these so-called. the "believers" with great pleasure abandoned religion as such.

              Some denied, and tens of thousands became new martyrs. And many held the faith. No wonder that most people baptized babies in Soviet times. How did they baptize, if you think they “refused with pleasure”? Yes, because they did not renounce, they hid the cross away from "fear for the sake of the Jews," but someone hid it and forgot about it altogether. But they didn't throw it out ..
              1. Darkness
                Darkness April 15 2015 15: 37
                +2
                Baptism has become an ordinary rite. Well, how to spit over your left shoulder, for example.
                To be Orthodox is not enough to be baptized and wear a cross.
                1. Heimdall48
                  Heimdall48 April 15 2015 15: 45
                  +1
                  To be Orthodox is not enough to be baptized and wear a cross.

                  But if the state prevented a person from fulfilling the requirements of religion, then what to do? It remained only to wear a cross and baptize children in secret. And for the latter it was possible to hit hard, which somehow does not fit with the "usual rite".
                  Would you agree to fly out of a good job with a reprimand for an empty rite of no significance to you?

                  I agree - a true believer should not give a damn about the state in this case. And many did so, and they were fired from work and put in prison and put in a psychiatric hospital. In general, most people choose the latter from the choice between religion and earthly goods. But no one has the right to call someone an unbeliever. You didn’t climb into their souls with a flashlight?
                  1. Darkness
                    Darkness April 15 2015 16: 26
                    0
                    One of my grandmothers was churches and no one interfered with her performing their religious rites.
                    This is so for example.
                    So what was the choice.
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                3. lidiy
                  lidiy April 15 2015 23: 40
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                  "Baptism has become an ordinary rite"
                  It only depends on how you yourself feel about it. There are people who, during their lives, came to faith and for them baptism is not an "ordinary rite", but union with God.
                4. Moses
                  Moses April 16 2015 04: 26
                  0
                  here in this you are right it is necessary to build a temple of the spiritual house of virtues, to fast, to confess, the meaning of Orthodoxy is the communion or adoration of God, which is possible only through the knowledge of the savior
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        4. kyznets
          kyznets April 15 2015 15: 54
          +4
          NEVER was the USSR a completely atheistic country. In the republics of the Caucasus, Central Asia and Kazakhstan, almost ALL the indigenous people were circumcised and practiced Islam to a greater or lesser extent. At least during the 40s, for sure. This persisted until the end of the 90s. And the majority of Russians at that time (except for young Komsomol members and party members) were also baptized and were more or less believers. Read primary sources, statistics documents (SOVIET). Your, comrade Darkness, the dense, warlike lack of education and the lack of basic SYSTEMATIC historical and cultural knowledge simply cause confusion. Orthodoxy is not against the feat of the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War. Look for enemies among atheists, masons and gays of Europe, America. The Orthodox then salted you?
          1. Darkness
            Darkness April 15 2015 16: 23
            -2
            At least one source is possible?
            1. kyznets
              kyznets April 16 2015 11: 57
              +1
              But they didn’t try to go to the library themselves, read memoirs, memoirs of participants in the Great Patriotic War, memoirs of priests and just believers of that time? Now they publish a lot. But for you to work - to give links on the topic, etc. I consider it unproductive for myself. The seeker - yes he will find.
        5. Moses
          Moses April 16 2015 04: 19
          +1
          the orthodox great indication includes 532 years = 76 (life) • 7 (generations), hence the memory of the seventh generation of virtues and of Christ, and it’s just that all Russian Orthodox were hiding under the USSR, they remembered well the repression and murder of monks, priests believers in the 30s and 40s
    4. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 April 15 2015 17: 36
      -3
      Quote: Darkness
      The only steel cable that holds us together is the memory of the Great Patriotic War.

      You shouldn't think so. I consider Christianity (like all Abrahamic ones) to be an imposed religion, but over the centuries that it was in Russia, it also "became Russified". Many church holidays are superimposed one to one on pagan ones, and this is the point. It is now that attacks on Christianity of the Russian persuasion, the so-called Orthodoxy, are manifested (Although Orthodoxy comes from the pagan root RIGHT TO GLORY). With the money of Western investors, thousands of books such as "Blow of the Russian Gods" are printed. (In the book, 90% of the truth, but it is presented in a perverse way, and in the order the authors need) The goal is one, to destroy one of the main ties that connect the Slavic peoples. WWII is also a connection, but as recent events show, it is much less durable and easily forgotten. hi
      P.S. Think about why the West and the Vatican do not interfere with the Greek faith, and ours - like a bone in the throat?
      1. Darkness
        Darkness April 15 2015 18: 26
        -4
        Dual faith, in principle, has not gone anywhere))
        Unfortunately, Orthodoxy greatly impeded science. Much stronger than Catholicism and Protestantism.
        We had practically no scientists before Lomonosov, and now this is really a tragedy.
        If any religion hinders scientific progress, it should be drawn from public policy.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 15 2015 18: 50
          +2
          Quote: Darkness
          Much stronger than Catholicism and Protestantism.

          But the people were burned for "scientific" heresy for some reason more Catholics. laughing
          Quote: Darkness
          If any religion hinders scientific progress, it should be drawn from public policy.

          But in my opinion, on the contrary, it should be in it. In order to control someone, he needs to be kept closer. hi
          1. Darkness
            Darkness April 15 2015 19: 02
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            By the way, how many people were burned precisely for science? Only Bruno comes to mind))
            And again, if you delve into history, it turns out that science received a powerful impetus only when religion did not interfere with it. For example Ancient Greece and Rome. And again, the USSR. Or Japan. Or China.
            Those. neither pagan beliefs nor atheism inhibit scientific progress, but rather develop it
        2. Moses
          Moses April 16 2015 04: 37
          0
          and you know that lomonosov gave the murder to one well-known heretic for heresy
      2. Tor hummer
        Tor hummer April 16 2015 02: 35
        +1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Although Orthodoxy comes from the pagan root RIGHT TO GLORY


        Orthodoxy is a literal translation of the Greek word "Orthodoxy".

        There are no "righteous praises" in nature - these are inventions of all sorts of charlatans like Khinevich or Levashov.

        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Thousands of books like "Blow of the Russian Gods" are printed with the money of Western investors. (The book contains 90% of the truth, but it is presented in a perverse way, and in the order the authors need)


        There isn’t 90% of truth there, except for some names there is not a word of truth at all.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 16 2015 16: 22
          0
          Quote: Tor Hummer
          Orthodoxy is a literal translation of the Greek word "Orthodoxy".

          And think about the etymology of the word? And the term "Orthodoxy" came into use only in the 14th century. Prior to this, the catholic movement of Christianity in Russia was called orthodox.
          Quote: Tor Hummer
          There isn’t 90% of truth there, except for some names there is not a word of truth at all.

          The same can be said about the Bible and the Qur'an. hi
      3. Moses
        Moses April 16 2015 04: 35
        +1
        Orthodox because it’s right, think about it, it’s right and wrong. All that the non-Orthodox non-catholic non-catholic is cursing itself
  4. 23424636
    23424636 April 15 2015 08: 56
    +7
    the author went to the wrong site, but speaking essentially, the topic itself was already rolled out, the pseudo unifier Yushchenko and his brother were especially distinguished. Only the courage of Patriarch Alexy 2 and the cowardly restraint of the deceased Metropolitan Volodymyr and the fear of Varfalome did not allow in 2008 in Kiev make irreversible to unite Satan and the angel. If the author climbed into the church then he should know that Filaret on Holy Thursday is cursed as an anathema and everything that is cursed with him, including and his so-called patriarchy. But the enemy does not sleep during the reign of the deceased Metropolitan of Kiev, immigrants from western Ukraine were sent to the departments in the diocese of eastern Ukraine, they were looking for such immigrants in the parishes of the east and quickly promoted to the pulpits. The number of metropolitans in Ukraine exceeded the level of 1988 of the entire Russian Orthodox Church. Moreover, after the death of Nicodemus and Patriarch Alexy, the Kyiv Metropolitan corrected the exarchy and could not restrain the impudent behavior of his secretary by making him the mouthpiece of the schism and certain perfection of the Ukrainian metropolis by creating new Icons and new saints not recognized by the Russian Orthodox Church so they canonized Victoria Edward. It should be said that the departure from the exarchate of Georgia in 18 led the country to what they have. And in Ukraine, the departure from the exarchate led to bloodshed and the deaths of thousands of Orthodox. Even in the churches of Donetsk, prayers are sung for a single Ukraine that immediately kills parishioners. I would like to ask the Russian Orthodox Church not to be shy to introduce their priests and open churches in New Russia that sing about the unity of Russia
    1. alebor
      alebor April 15 2015 10: 18
      +2
      Speaking about Filaret, the word "patriarch", I think, should be written in quotation marks, since his patriarchate is not recognized by anyone in the Orthodox world and he is, in fact, an impostor.
      But as for the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia, in my opinion he also makes a mistake by not distancing himself from the authorities, although, being the Patriarch of All Russia, he should stand outside politics and be the Patriarch of both Russians and Ukrainians and Belarusians. Indeed, formally, in political Russian-Ukrainian issues, he is neutral. But in the light of recent events, the attitude to the Russian authorities in Ukraine, to put it mildly, is not too good. And when Ukrainians see the Patriarch at Putin's Easter service, they involuntarily associate one with the other, and this clearly does not contribute to the popularity of the UOC-MP, prompting Ukrainians, dissatisfied with Moscow’s policies, to go to the schismatics of the Filaret’s.
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  5. Alcoholic
    Alcoholic April 15 2015 09: 09
    -7
    The author, there can be no one's Orthodoxy.
    It is simply Orthodoxy.
    The church may be different.
    This is for those who do not understand.
    Further...
    Ropes say ropes fastening our souls?
    Be afraid of your god.
    If it were so ...
    Little hohlostan?
    Or give examples of unity of souls?
    And do not talk about lost principles here.
    No need to look for something that has never happened.
  6. Free wind
    Free wind April 15 2015 11: 08
    +2
    In general, the banal separation of power, and the struggle for income. Orthodoxy is in Poland, this stronghold of Catholicism, and the second largest, and in the Czech Republic, but there are many where ..... So what? Are they my brothers? Once again, the banal struggle for power and money.
    1. VEKT
      VEKT April 15 2015 20: 57
      0
      I also don’t understand where in general the article is about faith, it is more like business news of corporate mergers and acquisitions. In general, what relation the church has to God is also not very clear to me. Holy Fathers with faces so wide that it’s hard to imagine when they fast.
      I have a question for the Orthodox believers present here, but did you even read the Bible? Or not what ?! Jesus Christ drove the merchants out of the temple:
      And Jesus went into the temple of God and drove out all those who sold and bought in the temple, and overturned the tables of the exchangers and the benches of the selling pigeons, and said to them: it is written, - My house shall be called a house of prayer; and you made him a den of robbers. (Matthew 21: 12-13)

      And now the church is more and more like a corporation where God is a trademark.
      1. Moses
        Moses April 16 2015 04: 44
        0
        did you read the bible yourself? and Christ said to Caesar the Caesarean God of God. do you give tithes?
  7. AlexSK
    AlexSK April 15 2015 11: 14
    +4
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    1. Darkness
      Darkness April 15 2015 11: 25
      -2
      Well, communism has not been completely destroyed.
  8. Pilot
    Pilot April 15 2015 12: 42
    0
    Damn, this news reminded me of the Lord of the Rings movie ...
  9. dmb
    dmb April 15 2015 12: 55
    0
    Since I am not a representative of any of the listed patriarchates, I will not smash the authors, in spite of their ardent requests. However, I do not see any reason to identify with them. If you believe their thesis that God is one (and this is more likely), then everything that happens has nothing to do with faith. And this has to do with supporting the existing government and getting preferences for it. It was instituted back in the time of Gostomysl, and with the unforgettable Peter Alekseich it was also normatively fixed. So now the church, to my deep regret, is mainly engaged not in wiping off tears humiliated and offended, but in explaining the policies of the ruling class. And, as it should be in our market society, she terribly does not like competitors. Fellow citizens, outraged by my comment, I kindly ask you to point out the differences between the ROC (M) and the ROC (U).
    1. Moses
      Moses April 16 2015 04: 47
      0
      find love in yourself and answer your own question
  10. Military Builder
    Military Builder April 15 2015 12: 59
    +2
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    i'm god damn atheist

    Well, it's you for nothing, God does not curse anyone, God will forgive all sins if you repent, except for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit
  11. evm-2005
    evm-2005 April 15 2015 13: 00
    +5
    To answer the questions posed by the Gloom, not so much is needed: you need to take a machine gun once in your life and go to where you really are fighting. They do not shoot, but they fight. Here, hearing one or two whistles near the ear, smelling the corpses and closing your friends eyes you find God in your soul. You become not a figure in statistics about believers and atheists, but a person who is ready to defend his Faith and the Fatherland. These words become not just sound vibrations, they become reality.
    It can be assumed that the fuse that did not explode did not work because of the crooked hands of the collector, but then you begin to understand that it is impossible to explain much with crooked hands. legion.
    Only having God in your soul it is impossible to make a calculation about the distribution of the spheres of influence of churches and the struggle for income per head of the flock, it is impossible to imagine the everyday tragedy of the Slavs in the Donetsk region as a fact provider for your, Darkness, probable studies in psychiatry.
    It is not so difficult to make a calculation of forces and means; to find God in the soul is more difficult. Someone succeeds, someone is not destined. Gaining to you, Gloom.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness April 15 2015 14: 37
      -3
      How many times have you been in a war?
  12. Military Builder
    Military Builder April 15 2015 13: 15
    +2
    Quote: evm-2005
    To answer the questions posed by Gloom, not so much is needed: once in your life you need to take a machine gun and go to where you really are fighting.


    it is not for nothing that they say "There are no atheists in the trenches."
    1. Darkness
      Darkness April 15 2015 14: 29
      0
      Are you often in the trenches?
      Or just took the words from the song for the truth?
    2. VEKT
      VEKT April 15 2015 20: 59
      0
      Yes, there are no atheists in the trenches, atheists in tanks go on the attack.
  13. Willywonka
    Willywonka April 15 2015 14: 36
    0
    Funny ... all of course. Satan, hydra, etc. You are an atheist or not, but if you are a thinking person, sooner or later you will come to the conclusion that religion has influenced the fact that we are so different. Czech or Pole - are not the Slavs? However, the Pole and Russian are completely different people with different values, etc. About the values ​​... let's take it in order. What does religion give as the main part of culture? Religion gives - 1) attitude to work 2) rigidity of the moral code 3) attitude to woman 4) attitude to progress 5) attitude to money 6) number of children in a family 7) affects the radius of trust 8) attitude towards the future. (topological table of M. Grodonna). Not the whole list is far from it, but this is perhaps the main one. Each of these points can be discussed separately for a long time. Just ask yourself a question, browse the Internet - which religion contributes to progress and which does not.
    That’s the point, you shouldn’t think that in Ukraine there are only idiots. People who can think, or rather look and draw conclusions. The loss of the flock is not explained by mere fooling. Look at the data on the parishioners of the Orthodox Church by S. Huntington in "The Clash of Civilizations". Look how Orthodoxy is competing for souls with Islam in the southern regions of Russia now, or how it was on the example of R. Jerasi's study "Window to the East". Read reviews of the work of churches in prisons. In general .... study.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness April 15 2015 14: 51
      -1
      You can consider the example of the USSR.
      Officially, there was no religion, but on all counts, 5 points out of five.
    2. Moses
      Moses April 16 2015 04: 55
      0
      Orthodox scholars: Lomonosov, Mendeleev, pies, war-Yasenets ......., and then you should not answer
  14. Cossack1492
    Cossack1492 April 15 2015 14: 43
    0
    Religion, like culinary preferences, is a deeply personal matter of every person, and the state should not interfere in this. I think it’s not right to make religious holidays a State weekend, as this is incorrect in relation to other peoples of Russia. And religion has no relation to patriotism and the Buryats, a Buddhist or a Chukchi pagan, are often a greater patriot of Russia than all these fruits, who strongly believed in Christ after 1991. (If you could only live in Yeshua, you can still live with him, but such crap as all these psychics, witches, sorcerers and other cheromantes will be worse).
    1. Darkness
      Darkness April 15 2015 15: 09
      0
      I shake hands.
      Russia is a secular country. And it should remain so.
      And what to believe or not to believe at all is everyone's personal business.
      1. Moses
        Moses April 16 2015 04: 57
        +2
        Russia is an Orthodox country, and before Russia Holy Russia was called, nor was it a country in the world
  15. Cossack1492
    Cossack1492 April 15 2015 14: 44
    0
    Religion, like culinary preferences, is a deeply personal matter of every person, and the state should not interfere in this. I think it’s not right to make religious holidays a State weekend, as this is incorrect in relation to other peoples of Russia. And religion has no relation to patriotism and the Buryats, a Buddhist or a Chukchi pagan, are often a greater patriot of Russia than all these fruits, who strongly believed in Christ after 1991. (If you could only live in Yeshua, you can still live with him, but such crap as all these psychics, witches, sorcerers and other cheromantes will be worse).
  16. Willywonka
    Willywonka April 15 2015 14: 47
    -1
    You think so to Cossack1492. In each religion, this is different, I'm talking about the attitude of the church and the state. In Orthodoxy, Caesar is the junior partner of God.
  17. Willywonka
    Willywonka April 15 2015 15: 04
    0
    to Mrak Religion gives cultural changes that were not influenced by the emergence of SSR. In particular, Sweden is a deeply secular country, however, the Swedes owe everything in it to religion (which, by the way, they constantly talk about). In your case ... but I forgot "attitude to human life" is also a matter of religion.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness April 15 2015 15: 24
      0
      Undoubtedly.
      But, nevertheless, the differences in culture, for example, in the Russian Empire and the USSR are enormous.
      And the culture of the USSR is much prettier to me than in RI.
  18. Willywonka
    Willywonka April 15 2015 15: 26
    0
    Look at the list of the most developed countries in the world, try to trace the connection between our topic and the data obtained. Look at the different indices there ... be it the UN quality of life index, or the doing buisness index, or the anti-corruption index, or the quality of education. We looked, returned to our topic - made an analysis, etc. Interestingly in Mrak about the USSR. Take, for example, "attitudes toward work." Yes, there was responsibility, because they could have been shot, etc., however, the very principle - "we live to work, or we work to live" - ​​is a little different, will you agree?
    1. Darkness
      Darkness April 15 2015 15: 41
      -1
      My relatives enjoyed the work, seeing that their work brings real benefits to the country. Worked as engineers at LZOS and TsIAM and many more where.
      Those. worked to live and lived to work. Yours, somehow different?
  19. Willywonka
    Willywonka April 15 2015 15: 41
    -2
    to gut, no, of course, my parents were not frightened with execution either. And I myself went to school for 10 years in the USSR. But that's not what I'm talking about ... when you perform work, for example, a "nuclear project" or you carry out logistics of military cargo, being the head of a railway section, in the 30-40s you knew that such a risk took place.
    Yes, only in 1905 in Russia freedom of conscience was accepted, after the revolution. In England, it was still under William (after Charles 2) the end of the 17th century.
    In Europe, work ethics and the word "profession" itself shaped Luther's teachings. The work ethic, I think you will agree, is somewhat different from ours. (we work to live).
  20. Willywonka
    Willywonka April 15 2015 17: 11
    0
    What are you? The arrival of a new faith was not a decisive factor. There is always a set of reasons. The decisive factor that had the initial impact was climate. Poor climatic conditions did not contribute to the establishment of private property. Then - the Mongol-Tatar yoke, actually the decisive blow of the Mongol-Tatars was inflicted on Islam. I must say that in the case of Russia it was not a blow to the church, it flourished, it was a blow to culture. In no case can we say that the Mongol-Tatar culture was weaker, just not. Yamskoy service, treasury, tavern, shackles, whip, chest .... it's all from there, as well as the centralization of power.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness April 15 2015 18: 28
      -2
      The church not only flourished, but worked very closely with the conquerors.
  21. Willywonka
    Willywonka April 15 2015 18: 53
    0
    It was difficult to say whether it was cooperation or not ... Most importantly, the Orthodox Church is not an independent institution. That is, there was no separation of powers. If in Europe dad could become a boot on the face of a rebellious ruler, then it was different with us. Tyranny passed with tacit consent. No, of course, tyrants were in Europe, but the separation of powers is a great achievement, which, alas, we were deprived of. The spiritual realm is not the prerogative of the king.
  22. Slovek
    Slovek April 15 2015 19: 31
    +1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: Flood
    bloody victims come out cheaper?

    The cattle were indeed sacrificed to the gods. And about the human - slander of Western historians and priests. The word "blasphemy" has a negative connotation in Christianity, although in reality it is not. Koshchuns were called guslars-storytellers, for the Scandinavians they are skalds. Here's a small example of misinterpreting history.
    So if you do not have the facts of "bloody victims", then do not slander your ancestors. hi

    "Peaceful" Slavic paganism is such data from the "Tale of Bygone Years".
    "In the year 6491 (983). Vladimir went against the Yatvingians, and defeated the Yatvingians, and conquered their land. And he went to Kiev, offering sacrifices to his idols with his people. And the elders and boyars said:" if he falls, we will slaughter him as a sacrifice to the gods. "There was only one Varangian, and his courtyard stood where now the Church of the Holy Mother of God, which Vladimir had built. That Varangian came from the Greek land and professed the Christian faith. And he had a son, a beautiful face and soul, the lot fell on him, out of the envy of the devil. For the devil, who has power over all, could not tolerate him, but this one was like a thorn in his heart, and the accursed one tried to destroy him and set people down. And those who were sent to him, when they came, they said: “A lot has fallen on your son, the gods have chosen him for themselves, so let us offer sacrifice to the gods.” And the Varangian said: “These are not gods, but a tree: today it is, and tomorrow it will rot; they do not eat, do not drink, do not speak, but are made by hand of wood. God is one, the Greeks serve and worship him; he created the heavens, and the earth, and the stars, and the moon, and the sun, and man, and destined him to live on earth. And what did these gods do? They themselves are made. I will not give my son to demons. "The messengers left and told the people about everything. The same, taking weapons, went against him and smashed his court. Varyag stood in the passage with his son. They told him:" Give him your son, so we will bring him to the gods ". He answered:" If they are gods, then let them send one of the gods and take my son. And why do you perform services for them? "And they clicked and hooked the canopy under them, and so they killed them."
    http://old-russian.chat.ru/02povest.htm
    1. Darkness
      Darkness April 15 2015 20: 24
      -1
      Almost always give only this example. This suggests that this is a myth.
  23. Bijo
    Bijo April 15 2015 19: 39
    +1
    "Darkness" you want to destroy Orthodoxy in Russia? But the enemies of Russia also want this, from Zbigniew to all kinds of Novodvorsk and Pusiriots. You say "An anti-Soviet is always a Russophobe. This is an axiom." I agree. But isn't Orthodoxy a part of the Russian world, isn't the majority in Russia of Orthodox Christians by nationality - Russians. It turns out "Anti-Orthodox is always a Russophobe. And this is not an axiom." In fact, love for Russia is based on many pillars, as you rightly said, the feat of the people in the Second World War, pride in our glorious history, someone loves Russia for its literature, someone then for art, someone just for the village like Yesenin. This is not important, what is important is that the "partners" will knock out one pillar-Orthodoxy, they will tackle the distortion of history, or rather they have already undertaken, vulgarize literature and art, and Russia will all collapse. So you are "at war" with the wrong people.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness April 15 2015 20: 29
      -1
      Why destroy? It is enough to put ANY religion in the place where it was in the USSR, years 60-70x
  24. Pavel_J
    Pavel_J April 15 2015 19: 56
    -1
    About the "primordially Russian" spiritual bond.
  25. Slovek
    Slovek April 15 2015 20: 04
    +1
    Quote: dmb
    And, as it should be in our market society, she terribly does not like competitors. Fellow citizens, outraged by my comment, I kindly ask you to point out the differences between the ROC (M) and the ROC (U).

    The differences are exactly the same as between the Russian general Karbyshev and the Russian general Vlasov.
    When they hand over to the priesthood, the future priest swears an oath not to enter into schisms and so on. Once the oath has been broken, then there is no sense in discussing the created organization such as the allegedly Orthodox Church of the Communist Party. Exactly the same association in essence, as the ROA.
    And it’s strange to hear about competitors, the church was also before the market society.
    Look, if you recognize as an idea that once God created the church through his disciples and apostles, then the church must be faithful to God and His teachings and not allow distortions and lies within itself. Correctly?
    Well then, why can every impostor or Jew who doesn’t like something there in the established order or in the teaching, can speak on behalf of this church or be called the name of this church?
    And the difference in the photograph is clearly visible - priests and monks of the Moscow patriarchy stand between Maidan and Berkut, calling for peace in their country. Where are the Filaret and Uats priests? and what are they asking now? instead of the world of weapons and the continuation of the ATO
    1. dmb
      dmb April 15 2015 22: 12
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      Familiarize yourself with the concept of split. There is not a single argument confirming the existence of discrepancies in matters of faith between the two churches in your comment. So your example with ROA is more than unsuccessful. He only confirms that in this case they are the agents of the will of the ruling elites in their states.
  26. Ivan Susanin
    Ivan Susanin April 15 2015 22: 15
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    - Tell me, what is this paradise? Asked Chamota.

    “Paradise is a place in the firmament of heaven where believers are in eternal bliss, without worries and hardships, without regrets, without grief ...” Demetrius tried to give a picture of paradise easier and more tempting. “In Paradise, they sing praises to God, being at rest, without temptations, without labor.

    - TELL ABOUT HELL. WE ARE AND THERE ARE NOT SUCH WORDS ...

    “That evil place underground, the kingdom of Satan in eternal darkness.” There, the devils torture the souls of sinners who did not know the true sulfur without rest, bake them in unquenchable fire, cook them in tar, torment them with hooks ... - wishing to strike the imagination of the simple-minded Slavs, Demetrius listed the terrible and disgusting tortures of Rome and Byzantium.

    “You said,” began Chamota, waiting for the end of a long list of torment, “since I accept your faith, will your god take me to heaven?”

    - Yes. Get baptized and you are saved.

    - And those? - Chamota pointed to the sky.

    - Who? - did not understand Demetrius.

    - Navi. Our fathers and grandfathers, ”explained the elder prince. “They are in our firmament.”

    “You are mistaken,” objected Demetrius, “they are not in heaven with the righteous, they are there,” he pointed to the earth, “they burn in hell.” They will burn forever. - Reading the alarm on their faces, Demetrius persuaded with force: - Hurry up to turn to the god of truth, hurry everything. Nobody knows their time, hurry! God himself speaks to you through my medium, otherwise hell, fire, fire!

    - Well! - Chamota got up, stretched. “I don't like your paradise.” Sit and sit back ... In one day, one longing with a worm will suck out a heart! Moreover praise to your god to scream, to praise him. This is not a man’s business. How are we? We have a young, unconscious, having met the old prince, he will be given a bow and will be. No, and that person is bad, and that god is unfit, if he likes to listen to his praises and wants to make fun of himself with praises, like an unsatisfied boar stuffing his stomach with acorns without measure. Ugh! Such a god is suitable for slaves. We are free people. Yes, and from our Navi I should not tear myself away. This is not the case with us - to leave a comrade, to leave the squad. Oh, you! .. - Chamota spat a second time and continued: - You're not young. Well, think, teach what! No! You yourself said that you heard everything that our Navi are sitting in hell. - Chamota did not hide the mockery. - And I - there too. I will be bored without my own. I’m not afraid of your fire. A funeral pyre can not be avoided by any Russian. And - well, it will be so for us.

    Having finished business, Chamota left. Wandered, without hesitation, and the rest. Left alone, Demetrius with repentance struck himself in the chest once, twice. Romei purposely wounded the body with the sharp edges of the cross. He whispered:

    - My fault, oh my God, my great fault, I forgot the holy scripture, that lies can be saved, that one must be meek as a sheep, as wise as a snake.

    Blood oozed under a tunic of deep abrasions. There is no room for solitude, otherwise Demetrius would punish himself with a scourge, whose triple tail immediately cuts through the skin. God forgive him the unintentional sin of the temptation of the Gentiles.
    1. Ivan Susanin
      Ivan Susanin April 16 2015 17: 10
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  27. Bayun
    Bayun April 16 2015 02: 18
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    A lot of religion, but little faith. Spiritual - not divided. And our shepherds are now weak against politicians and steel dealers. And we do not judge, but humbly observe ...
  28. Slovek
    Slovek April 16 2015 06: 12
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    Quote: dmb
    Familiarize yourself with the concept of split. There is not a single argument confirming the existence of discrepancies in matters of faith between the two churches in your comment. So your example with ROA is more than unsuccessful. He only confirms that in this case they are the agents of the will of the ruling elites in their states.

    "You will recognize them by their fruits ... So every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit ..." If you cut off a branch from the tree for a while, this branch is still green. Wait a bit, generations will change.
    Filaret broke away from the Orthodox Church of the MP in which, well, by the way, he received his rank and which he was supposed to serve as a priest who had taken the oath. It doesn't matter to you and does not pull you into willfulness and schism? And his "blessing" for the anti-terrorist operation and requests for the supply of weapons is no longer an indicator? Well, another example:
    Pranker Alexei Stolyarov, known under the pseudonym Lexus, played the Ukrainian Patriarch Filaret who was excommunicated from the church.
    Earlier, the former head of the unrecognized Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Kiev Patriarchate said that the killings of civilians in the Donbass do not violate God's commandment.
    Pranker called the priest, introduced himself as the deputy and commander of the Donbass battalion, Semyon Semchenko, and asked him to "forgive him his sins."
    In a telephone conversation with the patriarch "Semchenko" repented and confessed, he also confessed to sodomy with politician Oleg Lyashko.
    “You work, work and defend Ukraine under the leadership of Kolomoisky. Sins are his sins, and under his leadership you are doing a good deed, ”Filaret quotes Lifenews.
    According to the pranker, the patriarch also "referred to the Old Testament", which "allows execution to intimidate the enemy."
    Filaret also predicted God's punishment for Lyashko’s closeness to Semenchenko. He himself “Semenchenko”, he dismissed the sin of sodomy, taking into account his repentance.
    http://nation-news.ru/2015-03-31/77491-ukrainskiy-patriarh-otpustil-semenchenko-
    ubiystva-i-svyaz-s-deputatom-lyashko /