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Russian self-defense gunless pistol NEO 15х40 mm

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At the Nuremberg exhibition IWA-2015, the NIIPH (Russian Research Institute for Applied Chemistry) presented the announcement of a new non-lethal model weapon. We are talking about the non-lethal gun NEO, which is a modernization or the next stage of development of the famous "Wasps", the website reports http://www.all4shooters.com.

The tubeless “Wasp” (PB-4 pistol), as well as its numerous modifications, is intended for firing traumatic, signal, light-sound or gas munitions. For a decade and a half, this gun is considered a real hit in the self-defense market. Its variants PB-4В and PB-4CP are even adopted by the security forces. There are many evidences of how a non-lethal gun Osa helped its owner to repel the attack of intruders. And the collection of these certificates is replenished, as the number of owners of the "Wasp" is constantly growing.

Pistols "Osa" are operated not only in Russia, but also abroad - in Switzerland, Kazakhstan, Germany, South Africa.
The rapid acquisition of the “Osa” at once several foreign markets and its simultaneous success in Russia led the designers to the idea that it was necessary to create and upgrade a pistol. Experts from Sergiev Posad decided to create a gun, called the NEO. It was under this name that the gun was presented at the international exhibition. The gun is really a lot of new things: from design ideas to its design features.

Russian self-defense gunless pistol NEO 15х40 mm


The NEO Pistol uses ammunition 15x40 mm (for the “Wasps” standard ammunition caliber were the following: 18x45 mm, 18x55 mm and 18X60 mm. The new caliber is smaller, and it means that the NEO ammunition means less ammunition and the 12,7x50 mm.) Moreover, in addition to non-lethal cartridges, the lethal ammunition is included in the NEO complex. The caliber of NEO cartridges in real performance is 15 mm (.12). Then why was the value mentioned above in 220 mm higher? In fact, this is the outer diameter of the sleeve. thick-walled and this allows On the inner side of the rifling. If you can put it that way, the muzzle energy of this pistol (and it is, as we recall, barrelless) is as much as that of the PM. The 25-gram cylindrical bullet accelerates to the impressive speed of this weapon XNUMX m / The total weight of the tubeless NEO cartridge is XNUMX g.

NEO uses durable metal as a body material. The weapon therefore became more massive, and accordingly - and reliable too. Gun dimensions: 117,5х32х105,9mm. This suggests that the upgraded version of "Wasps" smaller. This allows you to use the option of secretive wearing, which is important for a person who expects to use a gun in the case of self-defense.



The gun does not have a trigger guard, and therefore uses a non-automatic fuse. The pull force is in the 15-25H range.

The gun has a built-in laser designator, open mechanical sights. The principle of reloading and ignition of a pistol is unchanged: a four-shot barrel-free weapon with a flip-up chamber chamber and an electric ignition of a cap. The NEO Pistol can be used to trigger signal charges.
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  1. saag
    saag April 14 2015 06: 50
    +4
    I read reviews about the wasp, people wrote that they began to sell cartridges with a weakened charge
    1. La-5
      La-5 April 14 2015 07: 44
      +5
      Quote: saag
      I read reviews about the wasp, people wrote that they began to sell cartridges with a weakened charge

      In 2010, legislation on injuries was tightened, now the energy of cartridges should not exceed 91J. Traumatic cartridges have weakened and today are suitable only for recreational shooting.
    2. Mister X
      Mister X April 14 2015 22: 43
      +1
      15.11.2013 on the state procurement website of the Ministry of Internal Affairs placed an order for the purchase of 3326 “pistol-free pistols PB-4SP” for the amount of ... 43 million 116 thousand rubles.
      That is, for each injury the Ministry of Internal Affairs is ready to pay nearly 13 thousand rubles of budget money.

      At that time, its full-fledged and basic version of the PB-4-1ML pistol (also 4-x charger, with the swivel head and laser sight, the same manufacturer) was priced at 8 200 retail.
      That is, the difference was 4 763 ruble, which is one third of the price.
      Plus, the difference in wholesale and retail prices is still not less than 10 percent.

      It turns out that the Ministry of Internal Affairs decided to purchase at the expense of budget funds traumatic guns PB-4SP at a price higher than the cost of identical analogues (excluding the wholesale discount) on 15 million rubles.
      Let's play a little pinkerton and find a document dated 23.07.2014 signed by Mikhail Yaroslavovich Zabolotny (Leader or other authorized person)
      Payment order №385643; amount - 47 420 409.84 in Russian rubles; volume - Delivered in full - 3658 pieces.
      1. ilyaspb
        ilyaspb April 15 2015 18: 09
        +3
        ПБ-4СП - a four-shot model chambered for 18,5 × 60 mm, designed to arm certain categories of employees law enforcement

        Do the phrases "Customer Acceptance" and "Quality Control Department Acceptance" tell you something?
        Any equipment designed by the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Ministry of Defense is more expensive. And the warranty is different. At the manufacturer’s discretion, pricing may include cost-sharing for civilian products. Apparently, the civilian market is more expensive for the manufacturer - their right.
        That's all the scandals, intrigues, investigations.
  2. alex-cn
    alex-cn April 14 2015 07: 50
    +1
    Dealt only with early wasp specimens. The weapon is terrible. At 10 meters, a projectile (called a bullet somehow) fell into a 10 cm circle and pierced 25 mm fiberboard. Then he was really weakened. But this option ... It is believed that for a solid ball-shaped projectile the speed is sufficient for penetration into tissues of only 180-190 m / s. Would this shell prove to be lethal?
    Corpses also happened with the old wasp.
    1. enot73
      enot73 April 14 2015 08: 36
      0
      the muzzle energy of this pistol (and, we recall, barrelless) is the same as that of PM.
      Quote: alex-cn
      Corpses also happened with the old wasp.
      Most likely, this new "toy" is focused only on the foreign market, or it will be adapted for ordinary cartridges from the old "wasp"
  3. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y April 14 2015 08: 30
    +5
    Will there be cumulative and shrapnel ammunition? :)
    1. flSergius
      flSergius April 14 2015 11: 41
      +2
      Will be for 7 gold or 4000 silver.

      But seriously, this
      If I may say so, the muzzle energy of this pistol (and it is, we recall, barrelless) is as much as that of PM. The 12-gram cylindrical bullet accelerates to an impressive speed of 220 m / s for this weapon.

      busting, because a barrelless structure, even with rifling in the sleeve, will be Kosovat and there is an opportunity instead of a gopnik to get into a passer-by walking across the street.
      1. Evgen_Vasilich
        Evgen_Vasilich April 20 2015 16: 56
        0
        here we are talking about lethal ammunition, in which, accordingly, not a rubber bullet.
  4. tchoni
    tchoni April 14 2015 08: 36
    +2
    So. Here I am interested in the legal issue. The gun is essentially a traumatic gun, but it is also adapted for combat shooting. How to get it? And then there will be questions and law enforcement agencies?
    1. enot73
      enot73 April 14 2015 08: 42
      +1
      Quote: tchoni
      And then there will be questions and law enforcement agencies?
      Even if you purchase a conventional gas pistol in Russia without first obtaining a license and registering with the police, you will have problems with the law.
    2. sub307
      sub307 April 14 2015 08: 43
      +1
      And here, just in the week, you need to go to the Licensing and Permitting Department, and I ask around there how they look at it.
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  5. Bongo
    Bongo April 14 2015 09: 39
    +4
    The principle of reloading and igniting the gun is unchanged: a four-shot barrelless weapon with a reclining cartridge chamber and electric ignition of the capsule.

    What is the point of creating a new weapon with a vicious and unreliable electric ignition system? negative Why are conventional firing trigger and capsule ignition cartridges bad?
    1. Kalinov Bridge
      Kalinov Bridge April 14 2015 10: 13
      +1
      Quote: Bongo
      Why are conventional firing trigger and capsule ignition cartridges bad?

      The mechanics are more difficult to manufacture and require maintenance, moreover, with such a layout as the Wasp, the USM should have been cumbersome and complex. And here the key - piezo - spark. Everything is simple and almost weightless.
      1. Bongo
        Bongo April 14 2015 10: 17
        +1
        Quote: Kalinov Most
        The mechanics are more difficult to manufacture and require maintenance, moreover, with such a layout as the Wasp, the USM should have been cumbersome and complex. And here the key - piezo - spark. Everything is simple and almost weightless.

        USM does not require special care. As for the bulkiness, I can argue with you, the USM would easily fit into the existing dimensions. But the reliability of the mechanics and the capsule is much greater, the performance does not exactly suffer from humidity. TO
        1. Elk
          Elk April 14 2015 13: 09
          +1
          Wasp is a very unreliable contraption. Had a repeated opportunity to be convinced of this.
        2. Kalinov Bridge
          Kalinov Bridge April 14 2015 14: 53
          +1
          Quote: Bongo
          USM does not require special care.

          Cleaning, greasing.

          Quote: Bongo
          As for the bulkiness, I bet you

          I do not see a subject for dispute. The trigger for the four barrel unit will always be more bulky, heavier and incomparably more time-consuming and expensive to manufacture than the electric shutter.

          Quote: Bongo
          But the reliability of the mechanics and the capsule is much greater

          Very controversial.

          Quote: Bongo
          operability does not exactly suffer from humidity.

          Yes, there are disadvantages, but why don't they?
          But the weapon of self-defense, as a rule, is in rather hothouse conditions of a handbag, automobile glove compartment or waist holster.
      2. Elk
        Elk April 14 2015 12: 54
        +1
        No piezo. I heard that such creeps were, but ended. So an ordinary battery + capacitor.
        1. Kalinov Bridge
          Kalinov Bridge April 14 2015 14: 57
          +1
          Quote: Elk
          No piezo.

          I have just that.

          So an ordinary battery + capacitor.

          Battery for laser pointer only.

          Quote: Elk
          Wasp is a very unreliable contraption. Had a repeated opportunity to be convinced of this.

          Mine is a very reliable thing. good Had a repeated opportunity to be convinced of this. yes
    2. Green1976
      Green1976 April 14 2015 10: 16
      +2
      Apparently they are afraid that there will be craftsmen who will start to "reload" ammunition (increase the powder charge, experiment with a projectile, etc.)
      1. Bongo
        Bongo April 14 2015 10: 23
        +4
        Quote: Green1976
        Apparently they are afraid that there will be craftsmen who will start to "reload" ammunition (increase the powder charge, experiment with a projectile, etc.)

        The MP-341 Howda traumatic pistol uses shortened 12 caliber cartridges.
        1. enot73
          enot73 April 14 2015 13: 49
          +3
          There is also quite normal, powerful Grand Power T-12 cal. 10x28, but here are two setbacks - high price and weakened "post-reform" cartridges
          1. olegarhiv
            olegarhiv April 14 2015 16: 45
            0
            I think it's not just trauma. If I counted correctly, then the muzzle energy is 290 J. (combat), which means that security structures in Russia can use it. That is, one pistol can be both traumatic and combat, depending on the cartridge. True, the question of the price of a combat one is to make rifling inside the cartridge ...
            1. gross kaput
              gross kaput April 14 2015 18: 44
              0
              No, they cannot, because no one has canceled the accounting of rifled according to FPGT, but here it is not possible, so either for the Russian Federation they will have a different geometry of the cartridge, excluding the use of the "export" rifled version, or there will be none at all.
          2. 4thParasinok
            4thParasinok 5 May 2015 23: 44
            0
            Quote: enot73
            but here are two setbacks - high price and weakened "post-reform" cartridges

            it’s forbidden to produce, but it’s not forbidden to sell and use ... Plus on YouTube there is a video on how to reload 10x28 yourself.
        2. Kalinov Bridge
          Kalinov Bridge April 14 2015 15: 35
          +1
          Quote: Bongo
          Traumatic pistol MP-341 "Howda"

          This "pistol" is a real, legally produced sawn-off shotgun of an ordinary rejected IZH-43 hammer and can only be called a pistol by analogy with pistols from the war of 1812.
          Well, for the purpose of modern marketing.

          Quote: Bongo

          Quote: Green1976
          This kulak version is not considered as a weapon of hidden wearing.

          Ie trigger and primer cartridges are not applicable in "hidden weapons"?

          Applicable.
          The sizes of this sample are not applicable in weapons of hidden wearing (unless of course you live outside the Arctic Circle).
          Well, there’s a cartridge good - Mama Do not Cry laughing
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          2. 4thParasinok
            4thParasinok 5 May 2015 23: 46
            0
            Quote: Kalinov Most
            This "pistol" is a real, legally produced sawn-off cut of a conventional rejected hammer IZH-43

            do you think the Turks for the production of Howda buy rejected IL-43 in Russia? ridiculed however ...
    3. Whatabout
      Whatabout April 14 2015 14: 27
      +2
      In fact, Osa now has reliable electronics. Which will find a suitable cartridge and wail it them. Disassemble, but look, since you do not know.
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    5. IS-80
      IS-80 April 14 2015 17: 17
      +1
      Quote: Bongo
      What is the point of creating a new weapon with a vicious and unreliable electric ignition system? Why are conventional firing trigger and capsule ignition cartridges bad?

      Hammer had the theme of VPO-507. It’s a pity that it didn’t take off.
    6. 4thParasinok
      4thParasinok 8 July 2015 02: 18
      0
      Quote: Bongo
      Why are conventional firing trigger and capsule ignition cartridges bad?

      1. Do not reload
      2. simplification of the mechanical parts.
      3. price reduction.
  6. Green1976
    Green1976 April 14 2015 10: 40
    0
    This kulak version is not considered as a weapon of hidden wearing.
    1. Bongo
      Bongo April 14 2015 10: 54
      +1
      Quote: Green1976
      This kulak version is not considered as a weapon of hidden wearing.

      Ie trigger and primer cartridges are not applicable in "hidden weapons"?
      1. Green1976
        Green1976 April 14 2015 11: 24
        +1
        On the contrary, I think they are more reliable. I meant our legislators who first allow, and then begin to drive into the framework and come up with rules in the course of the "game"
  7. Evgeny_Lev
    Evgeny_Lev April 14 2015 10: 48
    +3
    When will the journalist stop using the phrase "lethal weapon" ??? !!!
    There is NO "NO lethal weapon", there is a SPECIAL means, permission to use some of which also requires obtaining "green".

    the second Americans introduced this insanely disgrace, and ours echo
  8. maxxlll
    maxxlll April 14 2015 11: 12
    +1
    Civilian Wasp is so-so, for the police, that's yes THING.
    1. flSergius
      flSergius April 14 2015 11: 50
      +5
      This will be Western suicidal humanism. On the contrary, give the police self-loading shotguns with a cross-section, submachine guns and small grenade launchers such as GM-94, so that hardened bandits know that if they were brought to a shootout with representatives of the law, they would go not to the pre-trial detention center to go on bail, but in a bag to the morgue . Whoever has the courage to burn all bridges between himself and society, let him be bold and look beyond the edge of existence.
  9. padonok.71
    padonok.71 April 14 2015 12: 47
    +8
    How much can you already hold your own people for the dirt. Well, let’s already allow normal weapons, adopt the normal law on self-defense, on the protection of property, if you yourself don’t want to, do not know how to protect your people, then at least do not bother him in this. Enough to scoff at him with all sorts of Wasps, Vikings, and so forth. The bandit will always have normal weapons and he wanted to spit on laws and permissions. Also, the economic component of short-barrel resolution is new sales markets, new manufacturers, shooting ranges, tuning, competitions, this is all money, jobs, etc.
    But no, they all don't care about us ...
    1. Elk
      Elk April 14 2015 13: 08
      +1
      I completely agree. But in our country this will never happen. The psychology of a person who can protect himself is changing dramatically; it’s impossible to wipe his feet just like that on such a person.
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 April 14 2015 17: 13
        +1
        Alas ... two people with trunks can do it easily !!!! Can you imagine what will start on our roads? And who do you take yourself to? I now have a trunk ... military ... I take it to the street I don’t take it, and it’s never, it’s lying at home like a trophy, and there is ammunition)))! If you need a trunk for courage, it will not help you, a person will come up with eight frost-bitten stoned youngsters on the street, they will ask for a cigarette, and a man who has a trunk for courage, it’ll start immediately poking them ... just like a coward without a trunk))), but they won’t be afraid because of stupidity, and they’ll climb that ... you’ll start shooting, well, hook a couple, and the rest will have time to slap you on the head, then ... your death will not be quick and painful ... and then in the gopot your trunk will bring profit, and if God forbid your relatives? You need to be able to behave on the street, not give in to cowardice, and not go into rage!
    2. IS-80
      IS-80 April 14 2015 17: 07
      +4
      Quote: padonok.71
      How much can you already hold your own people for the dirt. Well, let’s already allow normal weapons, adopt the normal law on self-defense, on the protection of property, if you yourself don’t want to, do not know how to protect your people, then at least do not bother him in this. Enough to scoff at him with all sorts of Wasps, Vikings, and so forth. The bandit will always have normal weapons and he wanted to spit on laws and permissions. Also, the economic component of short-barrel resolution is new sales markets, new manufacturers, shooting ranges, tuning, competitions, this is all money, jobs, etc.
      But no, they all don't care about us ...


      And often do you get into a shoot-out with bandits?
      1. padonok.71
        padonok.71 April 14 2015 18: 45
        +1
        For almost a quarter century of constant wearing - not once. Even from Kabura never got. Excuse me, why?
    3. igorka357
      igorka357 April 14 2015 17: 18
      +1
      From a bandit whose normal weapons you cannot protect yourself with a legal, a bandit will not challenge you to a duel, he will shoot you from behind a corner and that’s all! But to become a bandit with a legal himself is very simple! We don’t have the same culture in society , we don’t respect each other! A drunk neighbor will call you into the corridor to talk, break your face in Russian, and that ... after all, run after the trunk and start waving it ... and he also laid down, and he’s also drunk ... then he might not get scared when drunk, and you ... you’ll take it with fear ... and go to the top ten bang ... he went !!!! Not ... not that society with us!
      1. gross kaput
        gross kaput April 14 2015 18: 55
        +3
        Quote: igorka357
        Not that culture in our society

        Yes, hell is clear, we are all blue-footed bears in bast shoes.
        Quote: igorka357
        but it might not get scared when drunk, and you ... take it and you’ll be frightened of fear ... and to the top ten bang ... I went !!!

        So, after all, bad luck at the moment only in Moscow among the population of half a million units of smoothbore and rifled weapons - i.e. if you follow your logic, either Moscow should already be littered with corpses after drunken kitchen showdowns, or everyone is waiting for a short barrel because it is not convenient to shoot in the kitchen with long trunks. laughing
        PS I do not understand hysteria neither from supporters nor from opponents, if you allow a short barrel then grace will not come but the apocalypse will not happen with mountains of corpses.
        1. Starina_hank
          Starina_hank April 14 2015 19: 47
          0
          Why allow? That's right, for the brew!
        2. Bishop
          Bishop April 15 2015 09: 02
          +1
          Perhaps there will not be an apocalypse, but the fact that the street gopota will arm themselves at the expense of ordinary citizens and women with elementary robbery, it does not even need to be proved. A criminal going to a pre-planned weaning of the trunk will always be in a more advantageous position relative to the victim who has lost vigilance. And the victim, one must think, will be "blasted" in such a way that she is guaranteed not to be able to get her favorite "bulldog" out of a fashionable handbag) ...
    4. Starina_hank
      Starina_hank April 14 2015 19: 41
      -1
      But who elected this power?
  10. Rodriques
    Rodriques April 14 2015 19: 52
    -2
    Quote: igorka357
    From a bandit whose normal weapons you cannot protect yourself with a legal, a bandit will not challenge you to a duel, he will shoot you from behind a corner and that’s all! But to become a bandit with a legal himself is very simple! We don’t have the same culture in society , we don’t respect each other! A drunk neighbor will call you into the corridor to talk, break your face in Russian, and that ... after all, run after the trunk and start waving it ... and he also laid down, and he’s also drunk ... then he might not get scared when drunk, and you ... you’ll take it with fear ... and go to the top ten bang ... he went !!!! Not ... not that society with us!

    What are you, what are you) I would take an ax, but I wouldn’t touch the gun, and in the same way I would rattle on a logging site. If there is legalization, then 5 years of possession of an injury will be obligatory, so ........
  11. serge siberian
    serge siberian April 14 2015 20: 18
    +2
    Quote: IS-80
    How much can you already hold your own people for the dirt. Well, let’s already allow normal weapons, adopt the normal law on self-defense, on the protection of property, if you yourself don’t want to, do not know how to protect your people, then at least do not bother him in this. Enough to scoff at him with all sorts of Wasps, Vikings, and so forth. The bandit will always have normal weapons and he wanted to spit on laws and permissions. Also, the economic component of short-barrel resolution is new sales markets, new manufacturers, shooting ranges, tuning, competitions, this is all money, jobs, etc.
    But no, they all don't care about us ...

    and the legislators don't give a damn about the people! The FSO protects them all, and there’s a bunch of their trunks in the house. I don’t give a damn about the fuck.
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  13. padonok.71
    padonok.71 April 14 2015 22: 11
    +2
    Yes, it's not even a matter of allowing / forbidding (it's just a matter of self-respect for each man), here the question is in resolving the defense as such. For all my disrespect and dislike for the English-speaking world, they have one very good postulate - "What's mine is mine." I think this principle is brilliant. But what does it mean? Here's what. I have a life and no one (except for representatives of the government-society, for them it is the same thing) has the right to take it away from me, and I have the right to protect it (life) by any means available to me, nails, teeth, an ax, a hook and pistol ANY AVAILABLE !, without the principle of proportionality. Or, I have a wife and .... okay? And the right to private property also belongs to this postulate. A friend had a case in pcs. Colorada guarded the farm. He shot three black robbers, the fourth died in the car, from blood loss, while fleeing (wound in the kidney area). And for this friend there was NOTHING! Even the local sheriff gave a medal and an award. Search the internet for O'Gealy's Farm, 96, Stefan Hochmaer.
    So long as we don’t have this, we can argue about resolution hoarsely.
    Think so. (Winnie the Pooh).
    1. Bro_kable
      Bro_kable April 16 2015 17: 16
      +1
      I support. and it is strange that our benefactors stubbornly pinch our self-defense and do not allow us. And both in the USSR and after.
      It seems to be a completely indisputable moment, but the excess of the necessary has not gone away. It seems no one is profitable to make the law contrary to logic and fair thinking, but why do they then?
      This year something was prescribed there - allowing, in principle, the use of civilian weapons for self-defense, but nobody again canceled the limits of self-defense. You slam a robber from a gun, and if the robber didn’t have the same or bigger gun, then consider that you slammed yourself (only with a delay and in places far away) and let your family go around the world ...
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  14. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 April 14 2015 22: 44
    +3
    Rubber arrows and everything that was created on their basis is simply stuffing pockets for manufacturers of this pseudo-weapon, ammunition manufacturers, ammunition manufacturers (holsters, covers, etc.), employees of the licensing and permitting system of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, doctors, shooting galleries, etc., etc. P.

    The weapon should be normal and firing normal ammunition. Then, any malicious rowdy, inadequate and gopnik with drug people who always graze to bomb someone along the way in a couple of years will simply disappear as a species.
    Because how to get a real bullet out of lead or steel (and not rubber) for rudeness and dissipation of hands, or because of squeezing a purse in a dark corner, or in someone else's house or yard to climb in with the goal of making money, there are few hunters.
    And so ... Leave a wounded animal / defect so he will also sue you for trying to rob, rob or kill you.

    “God made people strong and weak. Samuel Colt made them equal. ”
    A polite society is an armed society.
    1. Anatole
      Anatole April 16 2015 17: 21
      +1
      The notorious "stopping factor". With direct contact, a person with a cold weapon has almost a greater chance of inflicting a preemptive and no less lethal blow than one with a firearm, while the assumption that a person's knife did not particularly stop any of you listed. Every day, out of laziness, people climb under the wheels of cars to walk the extra 20 meters before the transition, drive drunk people, winding themselves on poles, etc., what kind of stopping factor can we talk about for this type of people, a bullet ??? All both times when it was necessary to use the 18x45 "rezinostrel" for its intended purpose, the adversary's body was lying around and groaning along with its Doberman without a muzzle, the dog did not try to eat my limbs anymore and did not provoke the dog to a further "show" with beer. At the same time, it was fine with me that I simply stopped the aggression without injury and "flying". With experience and age, a healthy share of poscifism enters the mentality, despite the fact that the strike and the struggle have been set since childhood and I constantly keep in shape, but the ability to avoid direct contact or at least break the distance with this "scarecrow" is quite suitable for myself.
  15. kav669
    kav669 April 15 2015 00: 25
    +1
    "wasp" of the old caliber is more powerful. This is a modernization of the toy
  16. Major_Vortex
    Major_Vortex April 15 2015 06: 06
    +2
    If arms legislation is liberalized, then restrictive laws should also be introduced for imports so that bourgeois do not undress Russia and prevent their own production from developing. Like, like the Yankees: if you want to sell your pistols with us, then we will only be delivered to us in the form of parts, assembly only in Russia and the percentage of parts of finished weapons of only Russian production. Or let Springfield and Beretta build their enterprises in Russia and replenish the Russian treasury with taxes. These are the most robust scenarios for all concerned. Nobody sells secrets and know-how of the military industry anyway in the civilian arms market. You have to hunt for secrets.


    Trauma is generally a specific "weapon". At one time there was a fashion - the girls wore spray cans in their handbags, but the boys still accompanied the girls home in the evenings. laughing
  17. Leader
    Leader April 15 2015 12: 08
    0
    For a decade and a half, this gun is considered a real hit on the self-defense market.

    Delirium! This "hit" only in Russia is a "hit". On a bezrybe ... In view of the complete absence of competition and moronic legislation.
    "Barrelless firearms" are the same nonsense of Russian legislators.
    Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
    If we liberalize arms laws, then we must

    Everything is legally decided. For example, to specify in the law - only Russian weapons. That's all.

    Russia is a country of slaves and masters.
    Long live the revolution!
    Death to the bourgeoisie!
  18. ma_shlomha
    ma_shlomha April 17 2015 12: 11
    +2
    Do you remember how the hero of the movie "Brother" solved the problem with trauma - a hacksaw and that's it.