Developments in the field of biomechanics

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Developments in the field of biomechanics


The HULC (Human Universal Load Carrying System) exoskeleton from Lockheed Martin was created for intensive use in all types of terrain. It reflects quite well the human biomechanics, which allows the owner to squat, crawl, walk and run without problems

When infantrymen carry loads, handle equipment and weapons, overcome difficult terrain, they demonstrate mobility, speed of execution and endurance in a combination that still cannot be surpassed by any vehicle. However, the pace with which soldiers are being demobilized for health reasons from the army as a result of musculoskeletal injuries indicate that the physical demands placed on their bodies are approaching and often exceed what they could withstand objectively. Therefore, today it is more important than ever to form a deep understanding of the biomechanics of the human body. Research around the world is being conducted that uses accumulated knowledge and experience in creating wearable systems that work with human biomechanics in order to reduce the risk of injury, increase productivity and mitigate damage resulting in disability.

Understanding the capabilities and limitations of the human body has played an important part in ergonomics and has made all types of vehicles and machines safer, easier and more efficient to work with, and as science and technology advance, this human-machine interface is becoming more and more friendly. The ultimate embodiment of this is the fusion of people and robots in new cyborg entities is one of the most popular topics in science fiction and is closer to scientific reality than one might think.

The reality of cyborgs

Among the research works in the field of biomechanics can be noted the famous innovative experiments with implants, conducted by Professor of Cybernetics Kevin Warwick from the University of Reading, who used himself as a guinea pig. In the Cyborg 1 project in 1998, the general practitioner implanted a radio transmitter with a length of 23 mm and a diameter of 3 mm (actually a radio frequency identification device RFID) in his left hand. This implantation was carried out for the first time. In a successful nine-day experiment at the command of the interrogator, the implant emitted a coded signal that was used to open doors, turn lights on and off, heaters, and computers.

As part of the Cyborg 2 project in 2002, a group of neurosurgeons at the Oxford hospital underwent a complex operation to implant surgically into the median nerve fibers of Professor Warwick's implant with a much more complex matrix of 100 electrodes. Developed by a team led by Dr. Mark Gasson, implant technology allowed Warwick to control an electric wheelchair and an “intelligent” artificial arm. The implant could measure the nerve signals in the hand and create an artificial feeling by stimulating the nerves with individual matrix electrodes. Professor Warwick's wife also agreed to take part in the experiment, and the same implant was implanted in her hand, which allowed the couple to demonstrate the bi-directional functionality of this technology.

While this work demonstrated the ability of the nervous system to control a mechanical device that mimics human biomechanics, another work showed how electrical implants can help overcome damage to the nervous system that was previously thought impossible to correct. Dr. Harkem from the University of Louisville showed how a relatively simple implant can restore movement despite the "full" damage to the spinal cord. Using only 16-contact epidurial (outside the dura mater) stimulator for pain relief, Dr. Harkem and her team regained sensitivity, movement and ability to stand in a man who was paralyzed five years below his chest after a motorcycle cross 16 years. With the stimulator turned on, Kent Stevenson could move his legs and ankles at his own discretion and stand on his own - abilities that improve with intensive practice. The implant stimulates the healthy nerves located lower in the spinal cord, rather than correcting or eliminating disorders of the spinal cord.

Spinal irritants

“We have known for many decades, almost a century, that in all other biological species, the spinal cord is a very complex system and actually controls all aspects of locomotion (a set of coordinated movements through which an object moves in space). But it was believed that when people evolved and we got our fantastic brain, he allegedly took over the entire control, says Dr. Harkem. - Therefore, my research really focused on whether the human spinal cord provides these qualities and found that it performs these functions. And it means for a person with spinal cord injuries that even if there is a complete and obvious “opening” with the brain, we can do a lot with what remains in the nervous system. ”

“It may turn out that all movements are controlled at the level of the spinal cord,” Dr. Harkema continues, arguing that the brain issues higher-level commands rather than controls all movements in detail and that very weak signals must pass through the damage or bypass it. “As we continue the process of training these people, the intensity of stimulation that we need decreases, so we believe that the nervous system adapts.”

While biomechanical and bioelectronic devices are becoming increasingly effective when using prosthetic limbs and implants that increase the physical abilities of people with disabilities, the potential of related and related technologies to improve human capabilities is explored with growing enthusiasm. The most exciting manifestation of this is the exoskeleton and their relatives exocostuits, which represent a relatively new area of ​​“soft robotization”.

Rise of the Machines

Exoskeletons allow a person to lift and carry heavy loads, move faster and maintain performance with such loads that otherwise you can not just lift without help. Passive (or without a power source) exoskeletons allow the wearer to support heavy loads without tension, but do not impart any extra power. Lockheed Martin and Raytheon were very active in military exoskeleton technology. The first of these developed the HULC system (Human Universal Load Carrier - universal carrier construction for humans) with battery power, which was evaluated by the US Army for use in combat conditions. The second FORTIS system without power supply is intended for industrial use. A project to test the experimental concept of the Raytheon XOS 1 company resulted in a system for the whole body, which was designated XOS 2.

18 August 2014, Lockheed Martin announced it had received a contract from the National Center for Technological Science for the evaluation of two FORTIS exoskeletons by the Marine Corps. The main goal of these works is the development of technology and the organization of its transition to the industrial base of the Ministry of Defense, conducting tests and evaluating the use of this system when working with hand tools in American Navy shipyards.

The FORTIS passive exoskeleton consists of a rigid pelvic girdle that transfers large loads to the ground through articulated legs, which among other things allow the wearer to walk normally. A hinged arm fixed to the pelvic strap supports the weight of heavy hand tools, allowing the user to work with them for a long time with minimal fatigue. From the technical point of view, the spring-loaded arm hinges resemble those of the human arm, so that the wearer can move normally.

“Ship maintenance often requires heavy tools, such as grinding machines, riveting hammers or sandblasting machines,” said Adam Miller, head of the new directions at Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control. These tools take a lot of power from operators because of their weight and the constrained conditions in which they sometimes have to work. When wearing the FORTIS exoskeleton, operators can work with heavy instruments for a long period of time, while their fatigue decreases significantly. "

FORTIS allows the owner to work while standing or kneeling, while the zeroG hand developed by the American company Equipois allows you to “effortlessly” manipulate tools or other items weighing up to 16,3 kg. The company Lockheed Martin declare a decrease in muscle fatigue by 300% and an increase in labor productivity from two to 27 times.

Revision has adapted its exoskeleton technology for use in the US command of TALOS (Tactical Assault Lightweight Operator Suit - a light kit for special forces) using special operations forces. Another PROWLER system was developed by Canadian firm B-tema and serves as an exoskeleton of the lower extremities.



Raytheon's XOS 2 exoskeleton is powered from an external source, so it is tied to a vehicle, but the company announced it is developing a lower body option that will already have its own battery.

Old idea, new technology

Work on active (with its own source of energy supply) exoskeletons for the military has been going on for over a decade. The first examples include collaboration between General Electric and the Office of the Naval Research to develop a device called HARDIMAN. This cooperation began in 1965 as a joint program of the army and fleet. Perhaps she was inspired by the costumes worn by the foot soldiers in Robert Heinlein's 1959 science-fiction novel Star Troopers. Designed for tasks such as loading weapons and other heavy work on board aircraft carriers, the HARDIMAN could lift loads weighing 680,3 kg; however, there was power feedback in order to allow the operator to feel what was happening. However, the HARDIMAN also weighed 600 kg and delays in its control system made it impractical.

Raytheon’s XOS 2 exoskeleton most closely resembles the HARDIMAN concept, in accordance with which it is intended for logistic work, but at the same time modern technologies make it significantly more practical. Its full-size configuration includes hands with hydraulic drives that allow the wearer to lift 90,7 kg several hundred times without feeling tired and repeatedly punch a three-inch board in a cyclical mode. Nevertheless, the company states that "it is so mobile and graceful that it allows its owner to play with a soccer ball, beat a punching bag or easily climb stairs and ramps." When Raytheon Sarcos exhibited the XOS 2 exoskeleton in September 2010, the company’s vice president said that with stable funding, they could be deployed for five years.

The HULC electro-hydraulic exoskeleton from Lockheed Martin has a power source and, accordingly, does not have a tethered cable, transferring the weight of the load up to 90,7 kg plus its own 24 kg to the ground through titanium legs. The biomechanical tests of the HULC exoskeleton were conducted on US Army soldiers at the Natik Research Center during 2011, the results of which were used to transition to what is described as a series of “field excursions in a simulated combat space”, which will make a conclusion about its usefulness.


As stated at Harvard University, "promising options for Soft Exosuit can help people with limited mobility"

Exoskeletons of the command of special operations forces and the Agency DARPA

Exoskeleton technology is part of the TALOS program, which is a work on combining lightweight and more effective ballistic protection of the whole body and strength “beyond human capabilities”. TALOS is the brainchild of Admiral William Macreyven, the commander of the special operations forces, TALOS is an accelerated development of a prototype that brings together many technologies from 56 corporations, 16 government agencies, 13 universities and 10 national laboratories. Three passive (loose) prototypes were to be delivered to command in June 2015 of the year, and system availability is expected by August 2018.

There were several specific details about the candidates for biomechanical technology, but one of the most interesting is the Soft Exosuit project, which is being developed as part of the DARPA Warrior Web program. The agency issued a Harvard University contract worth 2,9 million dollars for the further development of the Soft Exosuit exosuit that can be worn under clothing. It will allow soldiers to travel long distances, reduce fatigue and minimize the risk of injury when carrying heavy loads.

Previous work has allowed us to test the concept of what the university calls a radically new approach to designing and creating a “wearable robot” that is inspired by a deep understanding of human walking biomechanics. Soft Exosuit technology conditions the development of what the university describes as “entirely new forms of functional woven, flexible motor systems, soft sensors, and control strategies that allow an intuitive and seamless interaction between man and machine.”

“While the idea of ​​a wearable robot is not new, our approach to its creation is definitely innovative,” says Connor Volsh, who heads the design team.

Imitating the work of muscles and tendons of the legs when walking, the suit also provides a small, but “carefully synchronized” help in the joints without any restriction of movements. One of the current prototypes is distinguished by several discharge straps around the lower body. These belts accommodate a low-power microprocessor and a network of flexible strain gauges that collectively monitor the position and movements of the wearer's body. However, unlike the solid exoskeleton, Soft Exosuit apparently does not transfer the load to the ground.

While the burdens borne by soldiers are unlikely to become lighter, an understanding of human biomechanics and new technologies associated with this will make their burden, including the one that causes injuries, lighter.

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  1. +7
    April 13 2015 07: 17
    therefore, they invest in science - sooner or later, the volume will turn into quality and a powerful source of energy will appear. Who is the first, he won. However, there are already options for powering wirelessly. But so far they are only suitable for charging phones and toy robots.
    1. 0
      April 14 2015 00: 13
      In my opinion, today's technologies make it possible to create a diesel electric power plant of the required specific power.
  2. +7
    April 13 2015 07: 37
    I think that these or those achievements are not always shown to ordinary people. Often, the most promising options are left with three seals, which in my opinion is correct. Americans love to praise their achievements with or without it, but often these achievements are no more than an advertising move or one of the stages of the information war. At the same time, real achievements remain classified under the stamp.
  3. +4
    April 13 2015 07: 42
    a good idea!
    such a thing would also be for swimmers, you can overcome any channel! like Lamanche)))
    in fact, you can hang the whole "Tank" on a person and you do not need tracks and move quietly!
    1. 0
      April 13 2015 16: 27
      target?
      a heavy exoskeleton will not carry away weapons, and recoil will torture you ... and you won’t hang armor

      only if as an infantry support ..
      1. +4
        April 13 2015 20: 16
        The goal of the exoskeleton now is to drag and drop the ammunition, unloading / loading. If a person in such an exoskeleton will carry shells to self-propelled guns, charge / reload, deploy / collapse equipment, hang bombs and missiles under the wings of an airplane, then even on a wired power harness a person will increase the mobility of units at times, and not very tired
        1. 0
          April 14 2015 11: 04
          Doubts gnaw at me. To transfer ammunition IMHO easier to make a cart with an electric motor. Cheap and effective. For the suspension of equipment on airplanes, you can also make electric mini-manipulators on wheels. Why for this exoskeleton fence? For medical use, exoskeletons are apparently indispensable, for the military a big question.
      2. 0
        April 16 2015 14: 51
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmnb85TjQsw смотртите сами там довольно подробно и без электромоторов
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  4. +8
    April 13 2015 08: 01
    To knock terrorists out of buildings is the very thing. Maybe in household life exoskeletons will find wide application (hold, immerse, transfer ...). But the prospects for the use of these structures by ordinary soldiers are very vague. Let's omit such trifles as an increase in the size of the target, the mass of a soldier with ammunition and the associated problems of transportation in transport and moving "on foot" - not every exoskeleton will swim to the middle of the Dnieper, even in a boat.
    And imagine that a bullet of a cartridge 7,62x39 with a total cost of up to 10 rubles (54 will be more vigorous, but more expensive) interrupts or simply deforms the hydraulic drive of an exoskeleton at a cost of ogliard dollars. If they also hang armor on it, you’ll just get out of it. No walk, no crawl, no scratching, no wounded get without hydraulic clippers for 500000 rubles. - that is, the "fighter" of the damaged exa cannot do anything at all. Unless only from happiness to go for yourself. Peremoga, in its purest form. Especially for "cyborgs". Which "flooded"
    1. +6
      April 13 2015 11: 02
      I do not know. In my opinion, the passive option will quite take root in the army, at least as a means of unloading soldiers on marches in the conditions of a strongly rugged (wooded) terrain.
      And volatile - yes, mostly assault units and anti-terror.
      Quote: VeryBravePiggy
      Imagine that a bullet of a cartridge 7,62x39 with a total cost of up to 10 rubles (54 will be more cheerful, but more expensive) interrupts or simply deforms the hydraulic drive of the exoskeleton at the cost of okhulyard dollars.

      Well, in the form in which they are right now - it’s more a replacement for a forklift in the field than a real combat model.
      1. +3
        April 13 2015 16: 52
        these are prototypes so far - compare the plane of the Wright brothers and the modern su-35, armored cars of WW1 and BMP-80, rombotanks and t-90. the design is open on all sides so that you can freely mount and dismantle the elements - the same flaws in all prototypes of armored vehicles. a real combat assault exoskeleton will have all-round protection from armor plates from a minimum of BB 5,45 * 39, limbs from all 7,62, a forehead from 12,7 (otherwise it makes sense to fence such a fool?), and cables and hoses in a strong anti-fragmentation braid + systems duplication of some functions. But all the same, while such pribludy can only be for storming heavily fortified areas - no batteries will be enough for sabotage operations in the deep rear. It is also necessary to divide exoskeletons according to their functional characteristics - some for moving large-sized objects (like those yellow robotic loaders in Alien), others just to increase human capabilities (including disabled people), others for assault operations, fourth for RDGs operating in isolation from the main forces (as in the game "Crisis").
        1. +1
          April 13 2015 17: 48
          Quote: ILDM1986
          third for assault operations

          Are these the ones in Avatar? :-)
          1. 0
            April 13 2015 18: 35
            well, these are too large, armored vhlam, hung with heavy weapons. Like replacing a tank, but armoring a tank will always be better than armoring a two-legged robot, simply because of the surface area that needs to be protected. at the same time, the robot is no longer small-sized and not maneuverable - accordingly, ATGMs will be used on it, and a line of 30mm air cannons will still not withstand. I meant a suit slightly larger than the average person, giving full protection against small arms, but not yet turning it into a motionless coffin. like the armor of a medieval knight, although a little more bloated due to the mechanisms. But with low-power batteries, since it is not intended for a long battle, unlike a sabotage suit, this one is lighter, autonomy is higher, but the armor in the area of ​​the modern 6th class, that is, more than sufficient in 99% of cases, except for a land mine, mortar or direct hit from a grenade launcher or a large-caliber sniper rifle. a semblance of an assault suit was used by the elementals in the "Battletech" book / game series. sorry there were no adaptations of this universe. but there are fan drawings on the internet.
            1. +1
              April 14 2015 03: 08
              yeah, nobody canceled the shell shock (like concussion) of the pilot
              1. +2
                April 14 2015 11: 00
                Quote: Kolyma
                yeah, nobody canceled the shell shock (like concussion) of the pilot

                no one canceled the fire on the ship, engine failure on the plane, an explosion of ammunition or optics on a tank broken by a sniper. all equipment has weaknesses, some have more, others less. but their presence does not eliminate the need for this technique. By the way, the soldier remains the most vulnerable member of the battlefield. With the growing requirements for security and the subsequent power of weapons, the appearance of exoskeletons on the battlefield is inevitable. These are now individual prototypes of robotic prostheses, and another decade will pass, and they will go into series, in parallel, loader robots will inevitably appear. tourist models will also go into the civilian sector, allowing for multi-kilometer marches with a high load. all this will slowly but surely set the stage for battle suits. not today, tomorrow the first production models will appear, curves and wretched, with poor protection, with low autonomy and mobility. but they will develop, inevitably and inevitably, until they reach the limit of their development, like modern armored vehicles.
    2. 0
      April 16 2015 14: 38
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmnb85TjQsw ну не тпк всё страшно. посмотрите сами. вполне себе полезная и практичная вещь. если конечно не зацикливаться на роботах трансформерах из комиксов.
  5. ICT
    +3
    April 13 2015 08: 34
    Quote: VeryBravePiggy
    in household life, exoskeletons will find wide application (hold, load, transfer ...). N


    they were, maybe there’s something like that of unloading the arms and back when grinding (with a large grinder) welding seams at a shipyard. that is, you only drive it and not keep it on weight

    .
  6. +5
    April 13 2015 08: 36
    Everyone immediately speaks of the military use of the exoskeleton, but in my opinion it would be more logical (at this level of their development) to "run in" their design in the rescue business. Now the rescuers are forced to carry a lot of equipment. The potential of these pieces is huge, given the development of biomechanics and electronics
    1. +3
      April 13 2015 09: 03
      However, the photographs clearly do not depict a lifesaver, and the luminaries of democracy consider the use of exs initially for military purposes (as, in general, with all technical innovations). That's why it comes to the real combat use of such structures. In civilian life, no doubt, it is very healthy and beautiful. And definitely in demand. But for soldiers carrying a half centner on themselves (if together with armor and batteries) excess weight will be much less comfortable for the above reasons. The armament of the police and terrorists is mostly light rifle, and fragmentation grenades / explosives. Operations last from a few seconds to several hours (active phases, of course). And here exoskeletons on SOBRs will be very relevant - they entered, bandits were killed / tied up, the hostages were released, and they left.
      The army has much worse weapons. And the possibilities of defeat are always superior to the possibilities of reflection.
      Therefore, civilization has not come up with anything better than a healthy, trained, reasonably equipped and morally clean (ideal Soviet soldier-liberator) infantryman.
      1. +6
        April 13 2015 12: 32
        Offhand, such an exo-skeleton for combat use is more likely to be used in towed artillery and in servicing airfields: delivering shells to a gun or quickly preparing an aircraft ammunition before departure.
        In such cases, the battery capacity or even the cable connection is not critical.
        1. +5
          April 13 2015 15: 15
          Quote: abrakadabre
          Offhand, such an exo-skeleton for combat use is more likely to be used in towed artillery and maintenance of airfields:

          Here we take a hulk: it can carry 90 kg according to the manufacturer's assurances (most likely they are cunning, but let's say)
          take, say, the mortar calculation; the weight of the mortar assembly I don’t remember exactly, but something about 60 kg (3 parts of 20 kg each). the mass of the mine is about 3.5 kg (I don’t remember exactly the same, but I’ve got a bit more mine). So it turns out that in order to fire at the bastards, the DRG should include 5-8 people and a half-volley very thin for 12-30 minutes (you won’t take it anymore)
          But he dressed a couple in "khalkov" and they will bring a mortar and pieces of 30 minutes to it, and if you add a third - and in general beauty. If necessary, the same can be done with a heavy machine gun (AGS, recoilless). Such things, even used purely as vehicles, greatly expand the capabilities of soldiers when operating in difficult terrain.
      2. 0
        April 16 2015 14: 48
        Quote: VeryBravePiggy
        However, the photographs clearly do not depict a lifesaver, and the luminaries of democracy consider the use of exs initially for military purposes (as, in general, with all technical innovations). That's why it comes to the real combat use of such structures. In civilian life, no doubt, it is very healthy and beautiful. And definitely in demand.

        the inventor of the bathyscaphe once said that if it was possible to fight at the bathyscaphe, you would not have to look for money for development.
    2. 0
      April 14 2015 02: 00
      Quote: FAZE
      , however, in my opinion, it would be more logical (at this level of their development) to "test" their design in the rescue business. Now rescuers are forced to carry a bunch of equipment.

      Even "at the dawn" of the appearance of information about more or less real exoskeletons, a similar idea came to mind.
      When analyzing blockages, there is still a chance that someone to save heavy equipment is not used, everything is removed / disassembled manually. I think that with the use of exoskeletons the speed of work would significantly increase, but these are precious minutes to save the lives of victims.
      Well, let it be that there aren’t enough batteries for a long time, it’s necessary to lay the cable from the same mobile diesel / benzo-electric generator.
  7. +3
    April 13 2015 08: 44
    Quote: FAZE
    Everyone immediately speaks of the military use of the exoskeleton, but in my opinion it would be more logical (at this level of their development) to "run in" their design in the rescue business. Now the rescuers are forced to carry a lot of equipment. The potential of these pieces is huge, given the development of biomechanics and electronics

    I agree, and rehabilitative medicine - learn to move after severe injuries.
  8. ICT
    +1
    April 13 2015 08: 49
    Quote: Wanda
    I agree, and rehabilitative medicine - learn to move after severe injuries.


    https://polymus.ru/ru/museum/news/shagi-ekzoskeleta/
  9. padonok.71
    +3
    April 13 2015 09: 11
    The most needed thing. Heavy weapons, own control system, an increase in the wearable ammo, interception of control in case of injury to the operator (the exoskeleton will sink to the MPP itself, on external control), the "follow me" mode, the possibility of increasing the operator's protection, there are a lot of advantages, the prospects are already breathtaking. BUT! All these "snacks" are only in perspective - there is no light, compact, independent source of energy. I do not know how it will look like - a mini-reactor, a mega-accumulator, a nanobiodemodulating plasmocerator - I do not know. But I know one thing for sure, whoever comes up with it first will receive many bonuses.
    1. +2
      April 13 2015 11: 21
      At first there will be a regular ICE. A generator for 3-5 kW will last 10 liters of gasoline for a dozen hours. For an exoskeleton infantryman is quite a working option.
    2. 0
      April 14 2015 11: 41
      I do not see a big problem here. Already in the kit
      infantryman comes in battery / and for all sights, walkie-talkies
      and (sometimes) minicomp tablets. Before the fight, along with the standard
      check with fighters of shops, sights, grenades, flasks with water, etc.
      the sergeant also checks for charged batteries.
      An exo-skeleton will need another portable lithium battery
      in a backpack, along with ext. equipment. On it is a charging indicator.
      The commander will press the button - check.
      After the battle, along with cartridges, fighters will be delivered and new charged
      batteries.
  10. ICT
    +2
    April 13 2015 09: 21
    Quote: padonok.71
    follow me mode,


    I called it "zombie mode"
    1. padonok.71
      0
      April 13 2015 10: 19
      American girls kind of call it "follow me" -Follow Me, or mode "follow the leader" -mode Follow the leader. But "zombie mode" - I agree, it sounds gloomy, according to "third-rate". And we have such a regime a thousand years old, there is even a command to enable such a regime - "Do as I do!"
      1. ICT
        +1
        April 13 2015 10: 21
        Quote: padonok.71
        "Do as I do!".

        yes it is in our opinion
  11. Seawolf
    -2
    April 13 2015 09: 35
    Biomechanics is certainly good, but no one has canceled EW.
    In the area of ​​electronic warfare, no biomechanics will help.

    We must not forget what happened during the time of Khrushchev (emphasis was placed on missiles),
    about conventional weapons.
  12. Bug
    +3
    April 13 2015 09: 37
    and what do we have in this regard? or will you have to steal again?
    1. Seawolf
      +1
      April 13 2015 09: 38
      We, too, are not far behind, information on TV went briefly.
  13. ICT
    +3
    April 13 2015 09: 46
    Quote: SeaWolf
    In the area of ​​electronic warfare,

    did you even see in the eyes?

    Quote: SeaWolf
    biomechanics
    1. Seawolf
      0
      April 13 2015 09: 58
      It's enough?


      Biomechanics will be controlled by a minicomputer.
      1. +2
        April 13 2015 11: 26
        Quote: SeaWolf
        Biomechanics will be controlled by a minicomputer.

        What do you think is the most electronic warfare?
        1. Seawolf
          -1
          April 13 2015 11: 28
          Quote: saag
          What do you think is the most electronic warfare?


          Repeat
          1. +1
            April 13 2015 11: 50
            Do not need a video, can you say in your own words?
            1. +2
              April 13 2015 12: 06
              EW systems using EMR and microwave are quite capable of putting exoskeletons out of action.
              1. +2
                April 13 2015 12: 25
                Quote: Spade
                EW systems using EMR and microwave are quite capable of putting exoskeletons out of action.

                Oh, how, the exoskeleton is already a grounded structure, the microwave oven is generally easily shielded, the control controller in a metal case with grounding to the structure, power wires in the armor and with grounding, ferromagnetic filters and circuit breakers, electric motor controllers are built into them, the stator is grounded, the receiving circuit, which is usually affected by broadband radio emission is not, is electromagnetic radiation against an exoskeleton to nail its own connection?
                1. +2
                  April 13 2015 12: 48
                  Weight, dear, weight ... You do not forget, an exoskeleton is not a tank.
              2. +3
                April 13 2015 15: 28
                I would advise distinguishing between the concept of an exoskeleton (an external skeleton perceiving a part of a load) in general and a servo-suit (strengthening a person’s muscles).
      2. +2
        April 13 2015 15: 26
        Quote: SeaWolf
        Biomechanics will be controlled by a minicomputer.

        Have you read the article carefully? Did you see there a mention of passive exoskeletons (which are without nutrition)? So there everything is on the mechanics ....
    2. +3
      April 13 2015 20: 02
      Quote: TIT
      did you even see in the eyes?

      Why see? The main thing is to blurt out your favorite "Khibiny" and stick "pampers" - you see, and the plus sign from the same earned.
  14. +2
    April 13 2015 10: 05
    I would like to see how he will twitch if the bullet goes in the wrong direction and something goes wrong laughing
    1. Seawolf
      +1
      April 13 2015 10: 14
      The effective use of cyborgs will probably be against those who will not have weapons against them. Like aviation against those who do not have effective air defense.
      1. ICT
        +3
        April 13 2015 10: 18
        Quote: SeaWolf
        Effective use of cyborgs

        there is a standard platoon, and with it a machine gunner with a cord and not with one tape, but ten,
        There are many variations of application, and as mentioned above, not only in combat units,
        but at this stage, problems are purely technically enough
        1. +1
          April 13 2015 10: 45
          Quote: TIT
          and with him a machine gunner with a cord and not with one tape, but ten

          Heavy, inactive, insecure. Suicide bomber.

          Before the appearance of the normal exoskeleton, even as before Beijing with cancer. And the matter is not in the source of energy. The point is the lack of systems capable of adequately copying the biomechanics of the human body.
          1. ICT
            0
            April 13 2015 10: 50
            Quote: Spade
            Heavy, inactive, insecure. Suicide bomber.

            man with officer epaulettes, against a sniper

            Quote: Spade
            able to adequately copy the biomechanics of the human body.


            Quote: TIT
            but at this stage, purely technical problems are also enough
    2. +1
      April 14 2015 02: 18
      Quote: Boris55
      I would like to see how he will twitch if the bullet goes in the wrong direction and something goes wrong

      Approximately the same as the person who "the bullet will go to the wrong place."
      I remember that earlier about body armor, about "Kevlar" helmets, and about thermal imagers for infantrymen, the same skepticism was fellow .
      “What do we have now?”
      - Now: Combat equipment “Warrior”.
      (I think on this site it will be unnecessary to write what is included in it.)
  15. ICT
    0
    April 13 2015 10: 10
    Quote: SeaWolf
    It's enough?

    unless to laugh

  16. padonok.71
    0
    April 13 2015 11: 00
    Quote: Spade
    Heavy, inactive, insecure. Suicide bomber.
    You can argue.

    But to argue, we must figure it out
    Quote: Spade
    Before the appearance of a normal exoskeleton
    normal in your opinion, what is it?
    1. +1
      April 13 2015 11: 41
      Quote: padonok.71
      normal in your opinion, what is it?

      An exoskeleton that does not restrict movement at all. One in which, for example, you can engage in hand-to-hand combat.

      There are none at the moment, not even close ... Therefore, in combat conditions at the moment, "external muscles" are preferable. Like a well-protected BMP.
  17. +1
    April 13 2015 11: 18
    Functional exoskeleton - great. Would find application around, almost anywhere. What the Americans do, as long as the exoskeleton does not pull. As usual - a lot of money, brains are not allowed to work. Well, alright, let them stall at dead ends for as long as possible.
    What else is interesting in the material is implanted microcircuits. What for? There is a well-established technology for removing the electrical activity of the brain. Nothing needs to be implanted, no need to fight rejection, etc. What's the matter? But for easy! To perform control by electrical activity, you need to train the brain! For attention, for sustainability, to train and work with consciousness. Nothing of the kind is necessary with an implanted microcircuit ... In general, the policy is as follows - no man-building! No actions, words or technologies that will help a person to become stronger, smarter, higher than himself. As many as possible deeds that make a person weaker, more dependent, dumber, helpless. World Trading.
    1. 0
      April 13 2015 11: 46
      http://www.membrana.ru/particles/tag/1043
  18. Seawolf
    +1
    April 13 2015 11: 26
    Russian exoskeleton "ExoAtlet" (non-volatile)


    http://topwar.ru/51446-rossiyskiy-ekzoskelet-ekzoatlet-exoatlet.html
    http://www.exoatlet.ru/

    Scientists at the Institute of Atomic Energy of NRNU MEPhI (Obninsk) constructed an exoskeleton that increases the physical capabilities of a person. The hardware complex can be used in the analysis of blockages, liquidation of the consequences of floods and for the rehabilitation of patients after injuries.
    http://www.popmech.ru/made-in-russia/15748-razrabotan-pervyy-otechestvennyy-ekzo
    skelet /
  19. ICT
    +2
    April 13 2015 11: 43
    Quote: SeaWolf
    Repeat


    why we and our partners are still making rockets, and not throwing shells of battleships, if everything is so simple,
    Type turned on and everything went out right away, including what turned on wink

    EW IS BEFORE THE WHOLE FIGHT, i.e. it complicates worsens well, no matter how it does not win
    partners


    By the way, about the birds they have similar devices on each jeep
  20. ICT
    +1
    April 13 2015 12: 11
    Quote: Spade
    EW systems using EMR and microwave,

    will they be invulnerable to small arms and artillery weapons of the enemy? also having means of radio reconnaissance and suppression
    1. +1
      April 13 2015 12: 18
      Everything is vulnerable ... But, for example, a 82-mm microwave ammunition spits a mortar, and all complex infantry electronic devices are covered with a copper basin. This is not a heavy equipment that can be fully protected ...
      1. ICT
        +1
        April 13 2015 16: 17
        Quote: Spade
        But, for example, the 82-mm microwave ammunition spit

        I am ready to participate in the trials, I, the receiver of the fef, the Nokia phone for 1000 rub, can bet all the free money on the bet that in my veins my blood will boil than anything out of order
        1. +1
          April 13 2015 17: 50
          Quote: TIT
          fef receiver

          Oh, do you still use this? :-)
          1. ICT
            0
            April 13 2015 17: 58
            Quote: saag
            Oh, do you still use this? :-)


            Yes, in general, I can use it, that is, he is a worker on a shelf (I just looked around that from the electronics around except the computer)

            such one to one
            1. 0
              April 13 2015 18: 05
              Well, I used to have WEF 202
  21. +1
    April 13 2015 12: 24
    maybe all this equipment will be suitable for special units, but to equip all the infantry, even mattress mattresses don’t have enough money for this.
  22. padonok.71
    +5
    April 13 2015 13: 01
    Quote: Spade
    An exoskeleton that does not restrict movement at all. One in which, for example, you can engage in hand-to-hand combat.
    At where you brought it! Such
    Quote: Spade
    not at the moment, not even close ...
    and I think that for a very long time will not be. And so as not to get into fiction, I propose to fantasize on ts modern technical level (provided that there is already a coveted source of energy for digestible masses and dimensions).

    Quote: Spade
    Therefore, in combat conditions at the moment, "external muscles" are preferable. Like a well-protected BMP.
    I agree, a sensible remark, but here's an example. Everyone thinks (and probably not without reason) that the war of the future is a "city" war. And here the TBMP would not be good, but you will have to climb out, and then uzhos tries! Shards, sniper, brrr! And in such conditions, such a "self-propelled machine gun" would be very useful. Even if it has anti-bullet and fragmentation protection (our infantry fighting vehicles are no better), but with a heavy machine gun, with an automatic light cannon, with the widest firing angles, with its own fire control system (with the possibility of external target designation / guidance), with the ability to shoot through walls without fear crush snipers on their nonsectors, with the ability to work indoors, etc. etc. Let there be not a lot of such "heavy" - 3-4 per platoon. But how does it help. Or here's another - the calculations of AGS, TPov, mortars. Already these are directly maneuverable to the point of impossibility. And imagine that the same AGS is just on the fighter's arm and the BC on the back of 300 shots and a computerized sight, a kind of Weapons Carrier. I think the effectiveness of such a "calculation" will increase significantly. And here are the poor fellows - the loader from the ground, I think these guys would not mind. An engineer? Airfield flyers? Maintenance (especially heavy equipment)? Our imagination has already "played", has already "begun to sing".
    And at the expense of mobility / security - well, the infantrymen of the armored personnel carrier in the city "cover", and here the size is smaller, and the maneuverability is clearly higher than that of any BMP, with comparable firepower.
    That's why I say that this thing is hefty usable. Such technologies are the future.
    1. 0
      April 13 2015 20: 37
      but at the same time they themselves are hiding behind BMPs and tanks. and the "skeleton bearer" must go with the infantry in the same ranks. and weapons that are too heavy will also not be able to carry, most likely one main barrel (machine gun or AGS) and an auxiliary rocket launcher (bumblebee or RPG), flamethrower, mortar. everything else will go to armor, ammunition, batteries, servos and all sorts of useful pribluda such as thermal imagers, radars, acoustic sensors, etc.
  23. 0
    April 13 2015 13: 06
    Of course I'm not an expert in the field of biological technologies, but in my opinion, they just don’t tell us everything! It is much more interesting to integrate the exoskeleton system directly into the armored corps. This will allow with an additional hitch of armor to equip it with heavy weapons, while providing protection on the battlefield! Of course, in such a suit, hand-to-hand combat is not real, but it will not be needed, with good protection of the flanks. And in the case of electronic warfare, it is possible to integrate hydraulic actuator control sensors into an internal suit, such as underwear, when the pickups created on the external case are taken to the ground, at this stage, it is possible to ensure its operation with a small internal combustion engine. And to get out of a damaged suit, it is possible by the principle of packing astronauts in a spacesuit, a hatch opens on the back, and the fighter, either himself or with the help of his comrades, leaves the damaged apparatus. If you integrate a function in such a suit. do as I, without human intervention, then one operator, and one fighter. will be able to manage 3 suits at the same time. A fighter, moving across the battlefield, provides tactical movement of his combat unit, and two empty ones, and the operator, outside the battlefield, provides fire support to the fighter, a pair of suits. So, the idea is quite interesting and promising in all aspects, starting from the military, and ending with medical use, which will allow a person to normally move around the city, and beyond, when amputation of a limb or fracture, given the fact that even for a temporarily unable to work population, with a fracture of the lower extremities, you can issue instead of crutches!
  24. padonok.71
    0
    April 13 2015 13: 36
    Quote: Spade
    But, for example, 82-mm microwave ammunition spits
    But for example, there is no such ammunition at the moment (exactly like exoskeletons) from the 95th America are puffing up - "Well, now! Well, next year!", And so far only experiments. Ours are only meaningfully silent - secrecy!
    Quote: Spade
    and cover all the sophisticated infantry electronic devices with a copper basin. This is not a heavy equipment that can be fully protected ...
    unlike microwave weapons, methods of protection against it have long been known and are used everywhere. Students doing laboratory work in universities are on this topic. For example, spraying special compositions for shielding with a thickness of 2-3 mm., I think that pouring over the "exoskeleton" will not be so difficult, it will be expensive.
    Quote: Spade
    Everything is vulnerable ...
    Well if a stack position ...

    Quote: Prager
    but to arm the entire infantry - even mattress mattresses don’t have enough money for this.
    Well, why all this? 2-3 to the platoon is already how good it is!
  25. ICT
    +1
    April 13 2015 16: 37
    Quote: padonok.71
    And here's the poor fellow - loading from the ground, I think these guys would not refuse. Engineer? Airfield flyers? Rem service (especially heavy equipment)?



  26. +1
    April 13 2015 17: 19
    Until a compact and capacious battery is created, all these studies are mental masturbation.
  27. +2
    April 13 2015 19: 54
    In theory, it will be cool if they make a passive system that will allow you to drag extra 50 kilos, but will compensate / divert the return on weapons. At the same time, it does not interfere with the movement and is as cheap / easy to operate as possible.
    If the thing allows you to pull the extra 20-50 kg without discomfort, at a low cost, there will already be super - backpacks and other loads are usually dropped immediately, no one is fighting with a trunk on their back)
    And there you can fool around for a citizen, I would not refuse the opportunity to take 20-30 kilos from the store and not sweat at the same time) If the cost is adequate, why not?
  28. Just a man
    +1
    April 14 2015 01: 40
    Undoubtedly, it is necessary to develop and create mechanisms (suits) that facilitate and help to conduct effective military operations! But it seems to me that at the initial stage, especially where the possibility of damaging the mechanism is minimized, for example in emergency situations. Where physical endurance is required, the ability to lift, carry, unload, etc. Just climb the rope or to hold the load during the descent, as such devices (mechanisms) are simply necessary! The scope in peaceful, rescue operations is very wide !!!
    1. 0
      April 16 2015 15: 27
      and not only lift, load. try for several hours standing, in a slope, on bent legs, and even with a heavy tool. just think about something like this. electric motors are not the main thing they are needed relatively. they may not be. the skeleton itself is already a thing. and with a backpack? cross country? generally irreplaceable.
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  29. KOSTIA
    -2
    April 14 2015 06: 09
    Dead end technologically. A person has many more opportunities.
  30. 0
    18 May 2015 09: 26
    For a long time we have been using a bicycle for moving over long distances, various jacks for lifting weights. This is all without electronic support, which may incapacitated by a pulse of sufficient power. Add. the skeleton needs a light, reliable, comfortable (there are materials). The principle is mechanics, hydraulics, electronics is possible in non-essential directions of the skeleton, but should not disable the entire structure in case of failure (If the power steering is out of order, you can turn the steering wheel with more effort).