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On the "Zvezdochka" completed the disposal of "Golden Fish"

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In the Ship Repair Center "Zvezdochka" (Severodvinsk) completed the disposal of the highest speed in stories underwater fleet nuclear submarine K-222 (K-162), nicknamed the "Golden Fish", reports MIC with reference to the press service of the plant.




“In the last days of March, our specialists completed a unique operation on unloading spent nuclear fuel (SNF) and sealing of nuclear submarine reactors, the press service said. “In the upcoming navigation, the remaining three-compartment unit (from the reactor compartment and two adjacent to it) remaining from the nuclear-powered ship will be towed to Sayda-guba on the Kola Peninsula, where the reactor compartment will be brought to shore and transferred to the long-term storage point.”

Previously, the company won the tender announced by Rosatom and signed a contract for the disposal of a submarine, the hull of which is made of titanium alloys. Work began on 2010.

On “The asterisk was explained that the most difficult operation in the course of disposal was the unloading of nuclear waste. “The design features of the K-222 reactors did not allow the equipment used on the submarines of other projects to be used to extract fuel assemblies, in fact, they had to design and make new,” the company noted.

The unloading of spent nuclear fuel began in May with 2013. “Over 700 of radioactive rods were required to be moved from the reactors of the submarine to special transport containers,” the shipyard specified. “Last December, Zvezdochka left the first special echelon carrying the spent nuclear fuel to the Ural plant Mayak for storage and reprocessing.”

MIC: “K-222 (before 1978 of the year - K-162) was laid out at the Sevmash shipyard in December 1963, in 1970 it was incorporated into the Northern Fleet. Due to the long and expensive construction, unique characteristics received the nickname "Golden Fish". In 1989, the NPS was excluded from the Navy. The underwater speed records set by the submarine in 1970, the 44,7 node (about 83 km / h), have not yet been broken. ”



three-compartment unit K-162 in floating PD-52

Retractable Fence

The transfer container is lowered to the reactor to receive the fuel assembly.

Shipment of a shipping container with SNF for transportation to a temporary storage facility

SNF Temporary Storage Facility

Indicators of the dosimeter at the point of temporary storage. The natural background in Severodvinsk is twice as high.

Schematic diagram of the unloading and handling of SNF
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  1. Val_y
    Val_y April 3 2015 11: 48
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    Oh, sorry for the fish, a unique system, a lead-bismuth coolant, the temperature of the primary circuit in my opinion is 800 C, but ... terribly difficult, if it freezes, then ...
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z April 3 2015 11: 50
      18
      At least one boat would be turned into a museum!
      It would be interesting to walk around the compartments, see what yes, as in such devices!
      1. science fiction writer
        science fiction writer April 3 2015 11: 55
        +2
        Quote: Starover_Z
        At least one boat would be turned into a museum!
        It would be interesting to walk around the compartments, see what yes, as in such devices!

        And the residual radiation will glow after visiting this museum.
        1. lelikas
          lelikas April 3 2015 12: 05
          11
          Quote: fiction
          And the residual radiation will glow after visiting this museum.

          Nothing will shine. Checked.
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      3. hoard
        hoard April 3 2015 13: 16
        12
        I visited her in 1992m. Even with his wife))). The boat already stood in Severodvinsk. I approve the topic with the museum on the boat - a very interesting development:
        1. sandrmur76
          sandrmur76 April 3 2015 14: 13
          +5
          Sorry for the boat, but the museum wasn’t done (see titanium dear). Another sad thing is that all the waste is transported to the Kola Peninsula. (Sam from Murmansk) And the peninsula is not rubber! In short, the news is sad crying
          1. Ze Kot
            Ze Kot April 3 2015 23: 35
            0
            Pollock side of the bay and north ...
      4. Dog of war
        Dog of war April 3 2015 13: 48
        +1
        A titanium boat to the museum, no comment.
      5. Dart2027
        Dart2027 April 3 2015 14: 33
        +3
        Is that "Shark". The rest of the nuclear submarines are too crowded.
      6. clidon
        clidon April 3 2015 18: 39
        0
        She was alone.
    2. aleks 62
      aleks 62 April 3 2015 11: 53
      +5
      ... lead-bismuth coolant, ...

      ..... That's why they wrote it off .... Good, but unreliable ... hi
      1. Kostyar
        Kostyar April 3 2015 11: 58
        12
        They would build it as joyfully and quickly as a miracle was dismantled !!!
        1. stariy
          stariy April 3 2015 19: 02
          0
          Quote: Bone
          They would build it as joyfully and quickly as a miracle was dismantled !!!

          Truly a miracle and not a tray! And what was dismantled, this is the most idiotic act along with the cut of the "White Swans"
      2. Dembel77
        Dembel77 April 3 2015 12: 07
        15
        Eh brothers, you don’t understand a damn thing! This is our glorious history of the Russian fleet in the photographs! You understand, design and build such a masterpiece of a military submarine was only a power capable! We always had something to be proud of in the Soviet Union and I hope that in modern Russia it will always be so! And the photos are unique in terms of secrecy, in the old days only for random viewing of these materials it was possible to rattle for ... twenty years.
        1. Vladimir 23rus
          Vladimir 23rus April 3 2015 13: 07
          +1
          I agree this is a story. And this is sad! Since in the foreseeable future we will not be able to repeat, let alone improve. recourse
      3. turanchox
        turanchox April 3 2015 14: 21
        +1
        at least googling about the PUF of this boat, lazy people
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    4. Konar
      Konar April 3 2015 11: 57
      0
      Sad but interesting
    5. sub307
      sub307 April 3 2015 12: 09
      0
      The main thing is that the invaluable experience gained during the creation and operation of the boat is not lost.
      1. DRA-88
        DRA-88 April 3 2015 12: 47
        13
        Quote: sub307
        The main thing is that the invaluable experience gained during the creation and operation of the boat is not lost.

        Experience is important, and even more important than technology. It’s a pity to have a lump in your throat when majestic submarines are cut, when you watch shots about utilization in the Tu-160 pot, when huge presses and robotic lines were crocheted and cut at my factory ... Together with these works technical and scientific thought goes the whole era! The era of creative creation and selfless service to the Motherland.
        I look at these photos and understand that here it is a symbol of modernity "Utilization" and the word is a cynical and shameful derivative of "junk", that's how it is with the country ...
        Here is another masterpiece also disposed of ....
        In 2001, the ship, which had gone on just one military campaign, was finally decommissioned and put on a joke to a distant pier. Next to him was also a joke of a brother in misfortune - the Admiral Lazarev missile cruiser (former Frunze, one of the four Project 1144 Orlan nuclear missile attack cruisers; the only remaining Peter the Great cruiser of the 1144 project is now the flagship Northern Fleet of the Russian Navy).
        Read in full: http://yablor.ru/blogs/atomniy-korabl-radioelektronnoy-raz/3704432
        In April 2008, a tender was held for the disposal of the ship and its nuclear power plant.

        Disposal of the ship is carried out (2010) at the Zvezda DVZ
        Read in full: http://yablor.ru/blogs/atomniy-korabl-radioelektronnoy-raz/3704432
        SORROW ...., and more from the fact that in modern Russia such projects are simply not feasible ......
        1. SSeT
          SSeT April 3 2015 23: 44
          0
          Thank you for your involvement and understanding! The Urals, served on it, was my home for 2,5 years ... an engineer on this very ball, in my time still whole, not beaten. I’ll take your photo to the collection, there’s no one (who was shooting?) Also in my throat, as I see, or I read news about him .. there are so many parallels with my life! After all, ships are like people, their character, soul, their own destiny ... And the Urals are generally a symbol, Like the Colossus of Rhodes, or the pyramids of Egypt - incomprehensible, impractical, but majestic, grandiose, symbolic symbols of the time that define your civilization crying // sopsna avka - this is it //
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    7. Giant thought
      Giant thought April 3 2015 12: 21
      +4
      They knew how to make masterpieces of military equipment in the Soviet Union, but nothing, but now there is something to be matched with.
      1. Viktor Kudinov
        Viktor Kudinov April 3 2015 15: 05
        0
        It is a pity that such an excellent submarine has served its time! Praise to its creators and those who all these years served on the "Golden Fish" faithfully to their Fatherland! soldier
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    9. starshina78
      starshina78 April 3 2015 12: 24
      +1
      This boat terrified an American escort aircraft carrier, when it overtook him, then went in the middle of the convoy. Amerikashki could not understand what it was.
    10. skiff-xnumx
      skiff-xnumx April 3 2015 12: 47
      +8
      "Oh, sorry for the fish, the unique system, the lead-bismuth coolant, the temperature of the primary circuit in my opinion is 800 C, but ... terribly difficult if it freezes"

      You are wrong. This boat is Project 661 and has two pressurized water reactors. And the reactors with lead-bismuth heat carriers were on the 704 project "lyre". So they were written off because of the reactor. This boat was written off due to the critical wear and tear of machines and mechanisms and the unprofitability of repairs back in the USSR
      1. belij
        belij April 3 2015 14: 28
        +1
        Lira 705 project. There were 6 ships of this project, and the navy called them "automatic machines" - because of the complexity of the automation and the number of crews of about 35 people (only officers and warrant officers). The first full-fledged BIUS was installed on the ships of this project. The ships are excellent in characteristics and capabilities, but too difficult to operate because of the reactors on the liquid metal core.
    11. Georgy USSR
      Georgy USSR April 3 2015 13: 29
      +3
      Quote: Val_Y
      Oh, sorry for the fish, a unique system, a lead-bismuth coolant, the temperature of the primary circuit in my opinion is 800 C, but ... terribly difficult, if it freezes, then ...

      Breaking - not building
    12. turanchox
      turanchox April 3 2015 14: 20
      +1
      lead-bismuth coolant, the temperature of the first circuit in my opinion is 800 C, but ... terribly difficult, if it freezes, then ...

      learn materiel, water-moderated reactors were installed on "Anchar"
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  3. pomegranate
    pomegranate April 3 2015 11: 50
    14
    When I read such articles, my heart hurts!
    As with the "Shark".
    1. Fin
      Fin April 3 2015 11: 57
      +3
      Quote: pomegranate
      When I read such articles, my heart hurts!
      As with the "Shark".

      Yes calm down! They will be replaced by new modern ones! Everything has its own life.
      1. jjj
        jjj April 3 2015 12: 06
        +2
        Moreover, this one since the last century could not be used
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 3 2015 12: 14
        +5
        Quote: Fin
        Yes calm down! They will be replaced by new modern ones! Everything has its own life.

        Russia is not yet capable of building "eternal" nuclear submarines. Yes, and no one in the world can do it! I look at the "fish" and I think this is not a boat, this is an era and a triumph of thought. Maybe someday we will build something like that, but for this we need to become a proud and strong power in every sense. hi
    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock April 3 2015 12: 20
      -3
      Quote: pomegranate
      When I read such articles, my heart hurts!
      As with the "Shark".

      All the same, instead of diesel submarines, it can build atomic torpedo displacement, say within 5000-7500 tons (without vertical cruise missiles, which greatly increase displacement, and this is additional noise of the submarine (the greater the displacement of the submarine, the more various kinds of unmasking fields are), more money longer construction period). Like Astuide and Barracuda ...
    3. Sibiriya
      Sibiriya April 3 2015 12: 31
      0
      always sorry ship
      he gave everything to the country, why not save it?
    4. Anton Gavrilov
      Anton Gavrilov April 3 2015 12: 48
      11
      Take away your ardor of patriots!

      This is generally a boat of the 2 generation! And in the yard, for reference, it’s the time of the 4, and work is underway on the 5! And the ship is generally very ambiguous, and it’s too loud to call it a masterpiece, a triumph of thought!

      And for reference, it was decommissioned back in the USSR, in 1989 year!
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock April 3 2015 12: 54
        +2
        Quote: Anton Gavrilov
        Take away your ardor of patriots!

        This is generally a boat of the 2 generation! And in the yard, for reference, it’s the time of the 4, and work is underway on the 5! And the ship is generally very ambiguous, and it’s too loud to call it a masterpiece, a triumph of thought!

        And for reference, it was decommissioned back in the USSR, in 1989 year!

        It is titanium, which means that the resource for metal fatigue is enough for 100 years with active use. You could just upgrade it, install a safer reactor, modern electronics, hook, noise-reducing coating, quiet screws and all, here’s the 4th generation submarine.
        1. Dangerous
          Dangerous April 3 2015 13: 06
          +8
          Correctly Lt. Air Force Reserve says !! On the T-34, you could also put active armor, and here's a new "Armata"! And on the Yak-3 air-to-air missiles we will also hang the almost finished aircraft 1 ++++ !! And what, the body of the T-34 does not rust, and the rest will be changed. And the Yak-3, too, just touch up a little and as good as new !!
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock April 3 2015 13: 14
            0
            Quote: Dangerous
            Correctly Lt. Air Force Reserve says !! On the T-34, you could also put active armor, and here's a new "Armata"! And on the Yak-3 air-to-air missiles we will also hang the almost finished aircraft 1 ++++ !! And what, the body of the T-34 does not rust, and the rest will be changed. And the Yak-3, too, just touch up a little and as good as new !!

            The submarine is different, the hull is just a shell, the 2nd generation of submarines does not differ much from the 4th in geometry of the hull. You cannot upgrade a piston aircraft to a supersonic jet, since the fuselage will not allow you to reach supersonic strength.
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        3. science fiction writer
          science fiction writer April 3 2015 13: 15
          0
          Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
          Quote: Anton Gavrilov
          Take away your ardor of patriots!

          This is generally a boat of the 2 generation! And in the yard, for reference, it’s the time of the 4, and work is underway on the 5! And the ship is generally very ambiguous, and it’s too loud to call it a masterpiece, a triumph of thought!

          And for reference, it was decommissioned back in the USSR, in 1989 year!

          It is titanium, which means that the resource for metal fatigue is enough for 100 years with active use. You could just upgrade it, install a safer reactor, modern electronics, hook, noise-reducing coating, quiet screws and all, here’s the 4th generation submarine.

          At a speed of 44 knots under water, the entire coating from the body will fly off
          And her speed is the only plus
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock April 3 2015 13: 28
            +1
            Quote: fiction
            At a speed of 44 knots under water, the entire coating from the body will fly off
            And her speed is the only plus

            And who says constantly go to 44 nodes? Better to have this opportunity than not to have. Such speed is needed, for example, after an attack, when the submarine goes to the maximum depth and leaves the area at maximum speed, leaving the counter strike. It can also save from a torpedo attack. And a lot more can come in handy.
            1. hoard
              hoard April 3 2015 13: 37
              +2
              And it makes a noise louder than the plane))))
              1. Lt. Air Force stock
                Lt. Air Force stock April 3 2015 13: 41
                +2
                Quote: magot
                And it makes a noise louder than the plane))))

                Only at maximum speed, but when you are spotted, for example, after an attack, you will not be able to unmask yourself even more, leaving at 44 knots is much easier than leaving at 30, destroyers will not be able to catch you, like enemy submarines.
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      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 3 2015 13: 57
        0
        Quote: Anton Gavrilov
        Take away your ardor of patriots!

        This is generally a boat of the 2 generation! And in the yard, for reference, it’s the time of the 4, and work is underway on the 5! And the ship is generally very ambiguous, and it’s too loud to call it a masterpiece, a triumph of thought!

        And for reference, it was decommissioned back in the USSR, in 1989 year!

        Dear wiseacre, if she is so ordinary, then why is there nothing like this in the West to this day? And no one even came close to the speed parameters that this nuclear submarine reached in the 20th century. About the technology of processing titanium alloys on such a scale, I will not say anything at all. And one more important point - the depth of immersion of "titanium" boats is greater than that of any steel one, and for the nuclear submarine it is a vital determining factor. And where does patriotism go?
        Thanks to this nuclear submarine and other "titanium" boats, we are now building the best production submarines in the world.
        1. kote119
          kote119 April 3 2015 14: 29
          0
          Quote: NEXUS
          Dear wiseacre, if she is so ordinary, then why is there nothing like this in the West to this day? And no one even came close to the speed parameters that this nuclear submarine reached in the 20th century. About the technology of processing titanium alloys on such a scale, I will not say anything at all. And one more important point - the depth of immersion of "titanium" boats is greater than that of any steel one, and for the nuclear submarine it is a vital determining factor. And where does patriotism go?
          Thanks to this nuclear submarine and other "titanium" boats, we are now building the best production submarines in the world.


          Immersion depth is undoubtedly an important indicator. But modern means of combating pl are capable of hitting boats at all depths of navigation of modern pl. Titanium boats in serial construction do not justify themselves by the criterion of cost / effectiveness. As for the titanium boats, there are so few of them that there is no talk of large-scale production, and it didn’t even go in the days of the USSR. The titanium case does not give special advantages.
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock April 3 2015 14: 33
            0
            Quote: kote119
            But modern means of combating pl are capable of hitting boats at all depths of navigation of modern pl.

            The torpedo MK-48 has a maximum depth of 800 meters, and at the fin, only a working depth of 1000 meters, a maximum of 1250 meters.
            1. kote119
              kote119 April 3 2015 14: 45
              0
              Do you think she is constantly at such a depth? You do not understand what the ultimate depth is. And what does fin have to do with it when it comes to 661, etc.?
              1. Lt. Air Force stock
                Lt. Air Force stock April 3 2015 14: 53
                +2
                Quote: kote119
                Do you think she is constantly at such a depth?

                The working depth of 1000 meters is written, which means constantly.
                Quote: kote119
                You do not understand what the ultimate depth is.

                The limit is even deeper than 1250 meters.
                Quote: kote119
                Titanium boats in serial construction do not justify themselves by the criterion of cost / effectiveness.

                It is justified if you build a submarine with open architecture, so to speak, with the possibility of subsequent repeated modernization, and not 20 is also like scrapping.
                Quote: kote119
                The titanium case does not give special advantages.

                It gives that ordinary steel is deformed during dives, I saw a video where the Americans pulled a rope in the submarine before the dive, it sagged when diving. Normal steel can withstand fewer ascent and dive cycles than titanium. Titanium also deforms under water pressure, but much less, and its metal fatigue occurs much later.
                Quote: kote119
                And what does fin have to do with it when it comes to 661, etc.?

                It is also titanium.
                1. kote119
                  kote119 April 3 2015 15: 22
                  +1
                  1. boats with an open architecture were not built in the Soviet Navy, there was a reserve for modernization, but not so great. As a rule, they were built for a specific missile system. Although there were exceptions to the rules, for example, on the basis of 667a pr. Pl with krbd, on the basis of 941 pr a test stand for "mace", 670 for onyx. But this is not a series.
                  2.Pl, depending on the task (search, tracking, use of weapons ....) is at different depths and rarely at work.
                  3. The shells of our submarines are also deformed when immersed, like the Americans.
                  4. With regard to 20 and for scrapping, all boats (even one project) have a different fate, it all depends on the operating conditions (location, security of energy environments, quality of repairs, crew preparedness).
                  5. Titan is not a panacea in the submarine fleet. Although the boat made of titanium inside looks great.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS April 3 2015 16: 05
                    +3
                    Quote: kote119
                    5. Titan is not a panacea in the submarine fleet. Although the boat made of titanium inside looks great.

                    True, it’s not a panacea, but titanium is more durable, more durable and lighter than any steel alloy. Plus, let's not forget about the unique technologies that nobody has in processing titanium on such a scale to this day. I don’t even talk about how many discoveries and inventions based on these developments saw the light of day and not only in shipbuilding.
                    In "titanium" boats, the work and ideas of more than one thousand talented, intelligent and even brilliant people.
                    1. kote119
                      kote119 April 3 2015 16: 27
                      +1
                      Regarding the technology for the production of structures from titanium alloys, I completely agree with you. And about the talents of our shipbuilders, too. Regarding design decisions, they searched, tested in practice in the Design Bureau and, for a number of reasons (economic, technical), refused certain solutions. Although titanium has a number of advantages over a steel case, this is certain.
                  2. Lt. Air Force stock
                    Lt. Air Force stock April 3 2015 16: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: kote119
                    1. boats with an open architecture were not built in the Soviet Navy, there was a reserve for modernization, but not so great. As a rule, they were built for a specific missile system. Although there were exceptions to the rules, for example, on the basis of 667a pr. Pl with krbd, on the basis of 941 pr a test stand for "mace", 670 for onyx. But this is not a series.

                    It wasn’t because, then the construction of submarines developed by leaps and bounds, it was difficult to create a submarine with an open architecture, because the size of the weapon was constantly changing (granite, n 120, etc., etc.). Like hook and much more. And nobody laid a large resource. The Americans have been sailing for more than 40 years, we used to have 20 years and didn’t leave them as a sedimentation tank (due to rapid technical obsolescence in many respects and a small modernization limit, for 50 years from 1950 to 2000, submarines have evolved very much and changed, it’s impossible was to accumulate new technologies and install them on the ship, there was a cold war and all new elements were implemented in new submarines, hence the assortment appeared). They even read empty compartments on submarines, so that in case of modernization there was a place for additional equipment.
                    Quote: kote119
                    2.Pl, depending on the task (search, tracking, use of weapons ....) is at different depths and rarely at work.

                    Only to use rocket weapons you need to float from a kilometer depth, torpedoes can be launched without surfacing. The working depth is usually the depth of tracking and searching for enemy submarines / ships, that is, the depth at which the submarine will have to be located most of its time according to the design assignment. That is, the fin could not be at 1000 depth for a short time, but be at it constantly, that is, walk at this depth for 20 or more years, enormous strength characteristics were put into this submarine.
                    Quote: kote119
                    3. The shells of our submarines are also deformed when immersed, like the Americans.

                    Titanium submarines have less strain than steel ones.
                    Quote: kote119
                    4. With regard to 20 and for scrapping, all boats (even one project) have a different fate, it all depends on the operating conditions (location, security of energy environments, quality of repairs, crew preparedness).

                    The quality of construction and repair (s) is 90% determined by the life cycle of a submarine. Look at the Americans at Virginia, everything inside is practically made of stainless steel, panels, washing machines, toggle switches, etc. etc. And we showed the old shark in the video, the typhoon there peeled off paint and rust appeared on the equipment.
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS April 3 2015 15: 58
            +3
            Quote: kote119
            The titanium case does not give special advantages.

            Yes, well! So you are declaring this in complete confidence that you are right. But the designer, scientists, and finally the country's leadership, deciding on the construction of such boats and seeing their value, it turns out to be dumber than you. I breathed a lot of money into useless projects, simply because those not far away were unlike you. what
          3. SSeT
            SSeT April 4 2015 00: 11
            0
            gives, and what else! the ability to dive and quickly below 600m is given, for example, by the probability of an attacking torpedo's failure in arithmetic progression - the NATO torpedoes with a working depth of more than 6oo meters simply did not count (there were no stands) - they considered it impossible - the structure could not stand and the torpedo inevitably failed. Yes! emergency mode, but in war any reserve in any parameter can save you, especially in a sub-fusion. Better to have it than not to have it. Anchar and Komsomolets spawned several tactics that could survive in conditions where other boats simply disappear. It was no accident that after that the 945th series was put into the series - It made sense and was big, although it was expensive. I have the honor! hi
        2. Anton Gavrilov
          Anton Gavrilov April 3 2015 17: 35
          0
          Dear, pull up the materiel a bit to begin with. In the West there isn’t such a thing, because they didn’t particularly experiment. And they relied on serialization and unification, their approach is completely different than ours.

          If they wanted to, they would have made a similar boat with a polyurethane foam with an iron ore material, do not think that only we could do it.
  4. act
    act April 3 2015 11: 52
    +4
    The PL was unique, the hull was made of titanium alloy, and as in its characteristics, the speed in the submerged position was up to 44 knots. But due to the high cost, the "titanium" series was not developed.
    1. aleks 62
      aleks 62 April 3 2015 12: 04
      +4
      ..... But due to the high cost, the "titanium" series was not developed ....

      ..... For reference: hulls (strong hull) and other boats were made of titanium, and not just this .... During the Union, the main consumer of titanium was not aviation and space, namely the shipbuilding industry ... From 35-40 thousand tons of annual titanium production more than 90% went to shipbuilders (there was such info in the sources) ... hi
      1. Anton Gavrilov
        Anton Gavrilov April 3 2015 12: 51
        +3
        Not only because of the price, but also because of a number of extremely ambiguous technical solutions. In fact, this ship, the entire operation was used as an experienced one.
        1. hoard
          hoard April 3 2015 13: 25
          0
          It's true. And the ability to move away from a torpedo on its own is doubtful since combat use.
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    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock April 3 2015 12: 29
      +3
      Quote: agis
      The PL was unique, the hull was made of titanium alloy, and as in its characteristics, the speed in the submerged position was up to 44 knots. But due to the high cost, the "titanium" series was not developed.

      She could even get away from the torpedo. Under certain circumstances (torpedoes at a maximum range of 50-60 km go at a lower speed of about 30-40 knots, at a shorter range of 30-35 kilometers, 50-55 knots).
    3. hoard
      hoard April 3 2015 13: 30
      +1
      Quote: agis
      But due to the high cost, the "titanium" series was not developed.


      Why didn't you get it? 705 and 705K projects. 945 project 3 buildings. Fin. 2nd and 3rd generation boats.
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  5. veksha50
    veksha50 April 3 2015 11: 54
    +5
    Ships, like people ... It's a pity when they leave forever ...
  6. podpolkovnik
    podpolkovnik April 3 2015 11: 55
    +8
    At the Zvyozdochka Ship Repair Center (Severodvinsk), they completed the disposal of the highest-speed nuclear submarine K-222 (K-162) in the history of the submarine fleet, nicknamed Zolotaya Rybka, the military-industrial complex reports with reference to the press service of the plant

    So I do not understand - what is there to be proud of?
    What is the achievement here?
    The fact that another nuclear submarine has become smaller?
    I understand that it has long been decommissioned, but ....
    You can’t write about it so joyfully! ...
    1. science fiction writer
      science fiction writer April 3 2015 12: 05
      +2
      Quote: podpolkovnik
      At the Zvyozdochka Ship Repair Center (Severodvinsk), they completed the disposal of the highest-speed nuclear submarine K-222 (K-162) in the history of the submarine fleet, nicknamed Zolotaya Rybka, the military-industrial complex reports with reference to the press service of the plant

      So I do not understand - what is there to be proud of?
      What is the achievement here?
      The fact that another nuclear submarine has become smaller?
      I understand that it has long been decommissioned, but ....
      You can’t write about it so joyfully! ...


      This boat, a floating battle lab, everyone has their own life.
      life, and no one is not happy, but ascertain the fact that in our country,
      dismantlement of spent nuclear submarines is at a high level,
      and in professional hands. soldier
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 3 2015 12: 37
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      Quote: podpolkovnik
      So I do not understand - what is there to be proud of?
      What is the achievement here?
      The fact that another nuclear submarine has become smaller?

      The fact that they were able to properly dispose of submarines. And not just take the corpse with spent nuclear fuel inside to the New Earth and flood it - to the delight of the descendants.
  7. SamSeBse
    SamSeBse April 3 2015 11: 56
    0
    Critters! Just creatures !!! Well, what would be a fully titanium boat? Lyat idiots corrupt !!! 941 the whole project was ruined. Remained the very first, which does not fall apart simply because its cormorants cheated. Ki selling!
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket April 3 2015 12: 00
      +1
      Very sorry. The boat was heroic and "breakthrough" for that time.
    2. science fiction writer
      science fiction writer April 3 2015 12: 12
      +3
      Quote: SamSebe
      Critters! Just creatures !!! Well, what would be a fully titanium boat? Lyat idiots corrupt !!! 941 the whole project was ruined. Remained the very first, which does not fall apart simply because its cormorants cheated. Ki selling!

      no hysteria, all its advantages are high speed,
      and there are many minuses.
      1. SamSeBse
        SamSeBse April 3 2015 12: 16
        +1
        Not any "hysterics" just true. What prevented you from making a museum out of it? Or the freaks needed titanium for nonferrous metal. Not to respect your history so what kind of creature should you be?
        1. Wanderer 2008
          Wanderer 2008 April 3 2015 14: 30
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          Quote: SamSebe
          Not any "hysterics" just true. What prevented you from making a museum out of it? Or the freaks needed titanium for nonferrous metal. Not to respect your history so what kind of creature should you be?

          Museum where do you do it? In Severodvinsk, on the territory of a top-secret enterprise, who will issue a form of admission for tourists to tourists? Or the submarine can be transported to another town, where there will be more tourists, you can chop a lot of greenery.
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    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 3 2015 12: 41
      +3
      Quote: SamSebe
      Critters! Just creatures !!! Well, what would be a fully titanium boat?

      Bmpd had the full version of this article - by the beginning of the disposal of submarines, it had been standing in the crap for 20 years. She was withdrawn from the fleet in the days of the USSR.
      In 1988, after two decades of service, the K-162 was withdrawn from the fleet and subsequently went for disposal to the Sevmash Production Association, where for a long time it was moored at one of the berths.

      Long-term storage of submarines afloat without repair had a detrimental effect on the technical condition of the ship. During the sludge period, almost all ship systems degraded. Of particular concern was the state of ship systems that ensured the unsinkability of the ship, its explosion and fire safety. There was a real danger of unauthorized submarine flooding. The sunken "K-162" turned into a radioactive bomb. Reactive titanium in salt water would cause rapid corrosion of steel and copper equipment and pipelines, which, in turn, threatened to destroy structural barriers to reactor protection and the spread of radiation. There was less and less time left for the Goldfish, and in 2009 a decision was made to begin dismantling the ship.
    5. Dangerous
      Dangerous April 3 2015 13: 03
      -2
      Why are you all clinging to this 941 shark ?? It was once a masterpiece, now it is outdated, it sucks a lot of money for modernization and maintaining combat readiness. Cry more at Mir station
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock April 3 2015 13: 18
        +1
        Quote: Dangerous
        Cry more at Mir station

        The world was valuable in that it was our own, the whole world saw that we could build and operate our station, and now, on FoxNews American television, experts say that we technically (like we don’t have enough knowledge how to do this without the Americans) we cannot build our station . Can you imagine what cynicism is!
  8. kote119
    kote119 April 3 2015 11: 58
    +1
    It wasn’t a long way but interesting, many different technologies were run on it. She was ahead of her time, so the fleet was not ready for the operation of such boats, and they too cost the country too.
  9. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik April 3 2015 11: 58
    +1
    soldier soldier soldier It is a pity, but time is inexorable, thank you the defender of the Motherland !!!!
  10. Curd
    Curd April 3 2015 11: 58
    +5
    Quote: Starover_Z
    At least one boat would be turned into a museum!
    It would be interesting to walk around the compartments, see what yes, as in such devices!

    My son was recently on an excursion in the "Zvezdochka", "crawled" on a submarine. The child has emotions over the edge, I think the impression will remain for life. I agree with the opinion that museums should be made for the purpose of military-patriotic education of the younger generation, and of all citizens of Russia ...
    1. NordUral
      NordUral April 3 2015 12: 10
      0
      That's for sure. And in this, the Americans are far ahead of us, they will not miss the opportunity to enlighten the people, and at the same time to promote.
  11. bolat19640303
    bolat19640303 April 3 2015 12: 02
    +1
    The boat is certainly unique, but ... Everything has its time, it has been in operation for 45 years. Expensive to operate. It is not economically feasible to restore. This is a story.
    1. jjj
      jjj April 3 2015 12: 08
      +1
      Yes, she had problems with a solid case, and therefore she stood on the BVMB
  12. kote119
    kote119 April 3 2015 12: 07
    0
    Quote: SamSebe
    941 the whole project was ruined. Remained the very first, which does not fall apart simply because its cormorants cheated. Ki selling!


    Yes, it seems she still lives, and even walks on the oceans.
  13. Name
    Name April 3 2015 12: 09
    -2
    One "Goldfish" was disposed of, and I hope a "flock" of improved amers at hand. winked
  14. Sakhalin.
    Sakhalin. April 3 2015 12: 09
    +2
    Oh, fish-fish, good luck, thanks for the service!
  15. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha April 3 2015 12: 20
    +1
    The remarkable thing is that they learned not only how to build atomic submarines, but also how to dispose of them. But earlier decommissioned nuclear submarines remained scrap on the quays for a long time, which posed a threat to the environment and to the population.
    1. jjj
      jjj April 3 2015 17: 04
      0
      They were stored in five-compartment reactor blocks, then they began to be stored in three-compartment, and, finally, single-compartment blocks.
      In the photo: storage of three-compartment blocks in Kamchatka
      1. jjj
        jjj April 3 2015 17: 09
        0
        Storage of single-compartment blocks on the Kola Peninsula
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock April 3 2015 17: 11
          0
          Quote: jjj
          Storage of single-compartment blocks on the Kola Peninsula

          And how do Americans store spent reactors?
          1. Anton Gavrilov
            Anton Gavrilov April 3 2015 17: 38
            0
            On land, as in the last photo.
  16. kelevra
    kelevra April 3 2015 12: 30
    0
    It is a pity to read such news, although you understand that there is no other life for such a boat!
  17. Akexzam888
    Akexzam888 April 3 2015 12: 39
    0
    Just yesterday, the film watched the legendary K-162 submarine about it! and today is such news! Yes, we patted the nerves of the Americans! let's hope that in the future we will have no less outstanding projects! Glory to the Country! We are proud of you! soldier https://youtu.be/f7W60TG8g98
  18. shadow
    shadow April 3 2015 12: 42
    +1
    The fish was an experiment. Here's how many Komsomol members built that launched torpedoes from a depth of 1027m? And I do not know. Same thing with the fish. Not all are told to us. But what did they do with the case? It says only about the reactor. Many will say that they will take it apart, but I think they will improve it. After all, there is such a program.
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock April 3 2015 12: 45
      +1
      Quote: Shadows
      The fish was an experiment. Here's how many Komsomol members built that launched torpedoes from a depth of 1027m? And I do not know. Same thing with the fish. Not all are told to us. But what did they do with the case? It says only about the reactor. Many will say that they will take it apart, but I think they will improve it. After all, there is such a program.

      I wonder how much the submarine would build if it were to combine a fin with an anchor. And create the ultimate option. The maximum immersion depth of 1250 meters and a speed of 45 knots, well, add modern technology, coatings, hook, etc., etc. That would be awkward.
      1. Noncombatant
        Noncombatant April 3 2015 13: 07
        0
        Have you seen enough of "Transformers"? )
        Well, why not "Angara" with "Shark" plus "Tornado" ???
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock April 3 2015 13: 24
          +1
          Quote: noncombant
          Have you seen enough of "Transformers"? )
          Well, why not "Angara" with "Shark" plus "Tornado" ???

          And what will happen if you add coffee to tea? Stop exaggerating. The project had a fin speed of 31 knots, 14 knots could be added by increasing the power supplied to the propeller shafts (here's the anchor + fin). Screws to install larger sickle-shaped screws, to upgrade the shaft, to carry out some other upgrades, and here you have the dream submarine.
      2. SSeT
        SSeT April 4 2015 00: 36
        0
        Something uber experimental in the 90s in the USSR would have been built for sure. To develop new technical and tactical solutions. There were prerequisites and projects even
    2. adept666
      adept666 April 3 2015 13: 37
      0
      fired torpedoes from a depth of 1027m


      Are you sure you could? This is a record dive on August 4, 1985, and then fired when surfacing at a depth of 800 m, which in itself almost doubles the maximum diving depth of any western nuclear submarine laughing but still it’s not 1 km ...
  19. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob April 3 2015 13: 01
    0
    I wrote off one submarine, put two, and not vice versa.
  20. Noncombatant
    Noncombatant April 3 2015 13: 06
    -1
    Quote: Val_Y
    Oh, sorry for the fish, a unique system, a lead-bismuth coolant, the temperature of the primary circuit in my opinion is 800 C, but ... terribly difficult, if it freezes, then ...


    It is a pity that the remnants of this lead-bismuth coolant were not poured down the throat of Tole Serdyukov and other "managers". am
  21. shadow
    shadow April 3 2015 13: 13
    +1
    Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
    Quote: Shadows
    The fish was an experiment. Here's how many Komsomol members built that launched torpedoes from a depth of 1027m? And I do not know. Same thing with the fish. Not all are told to us. But what did they do with the case? It says only about the reactor. Many will say that they will take it apart, but I think they will improve it. After all, there is such a program.

    I wonder how much the submarine would build if it were to combine a fin with an anchor. And create the ultimate option. The maximum immersion depth of 1250 meters and a speed of 45 knots, well, add modern technology, coatings, hook, etc., etc. That would be awkward.

    I have no idea. But I know that the YasenM nuclear submarine costs about 200 billion, and Borey, 23 billion, and no one really knows the characteristics of these submarines.
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock April 3 2015 13: 32
      0
      Quote: Shadows
      I have no idea. But I know that the YasenM nuclear submarine costs about 200 billion, and Borey, 23 billion, and no one really knows the characteristics of these submarines.

      In Ash, electronics seems to be advanced, which makes it so expensive and expensive. They say that in the fifth generation of submarines there will be one project of brpl and a multi-purpose submarine, which means that there will be even more costs.
      1. kote119
        kote119 April 3 2015 15: 27
        0
        the filling is the same
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock April 3 2015 15: 31
          0
          Quote: kote119
          the filling is the same

          Then where does the price difference come from, Ashen and Borea?
          1. SSeT
            SSeT April 4 2015 00: 44
            0
            BR perfectly learned to wear more BRDM-s, Borey from them fundamentally no different. ALL R&D was made at the Ash price, in general - single-hull, and the Western concept, and the TA in the center and the new BIUS and HAC spherical on the new element base and with the TA and the VPU, and the new reactor and the pseudo-modularity and the hell in a mortar and a woman in wheel - from here the difference in price is almost an order of magnitude. WHY?? I do not know, the rank is crayon! soldier
            1. Lt. Air Force stock
              Lt. Air Force stock April 4 2015 14: 55
              0
              Quote: SSeT
              , Borey is fundamentally no different from them.

              Well, Borey is distinguished at least by the fact that he does not have a spherical HAK antenna (torpedoes in the bow of the submarine, and not behind the first compartment on the side like Yasen).
  22. Noncombatant
    Noncombatant April 3 2015 13: 29
    0
    Quote: Dangerous
    Correctly Lt. Air Force Reserve says !! On the T-34, you could also put active armor, and here's a new "Armata"! And on the Yak-3 air-to-air missiles we will also hang the almost finished aircraft 1 ++++ !! And what, the body of the T-34 does not rust, and the rest will be changed. And the Yak-3, too, just touch up a little and as good as new !!

    Hush .. This forum is read and u-kry including .. tssss wink
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock April 3 2015 13: 36
      -1
      Quote: noncombant
      Hush .. This forum is read and u-kry including .. tssss

      All the same, before, as it was clear where the money was going. Here Anchar walks at 44 knots, here the Fin plunges 1250 meters, which makes it so expensive. And now the submarine Yasen seems to be secretive, but who knows for sure its secrecy, it’s impossible not to measure it, as they say, it can only be revealed during the war, secrecy. I'm not sure that even the chief designer knows to the end how secretive their submarine is. Since measurements were carried out with our search tools, and with the Americans they can be more powerful.
      1. Noncombatant
        Noncombatant April 3 2015 14: 49
        0
        What are you offering?
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock April 3 2015 15: 00
          0
          Quote: noncombant
          What are you offering?

          Look for opportunities to build submarines capable of diving 1000 meters using alternative materials, such as composites or thicker ordinary steel. The submarine at such a depth is difficult to detect and sink, the Americans do not even have such torpedoes, and it can easily get away from deep bombs even at 30 knots, it is not necessary to create a wunderwafer.
          I don’t understand why the steel hull of the submarines is not covered with composites (I saw how this happens with airplanes, as if a huge scotch-tape woman cut circles into a circle of the fuselage, like there are 1000 or even more layers). Why is it also impossible with submarines to form a steel case, and then wind composites on it. Firstly, this coating will reduce noise, and secondly, it will take on the pressure of water.
          1. kote119
            kote119 April 3 2015 15: 49
            +1
            You would have to work in the Central Design Bureau Rubin or Malachite
          2. Noncombatant
            Noncombatant April 3 2015 19: 23
            -1
            "I don't understand why the steel hull of submarines is not covered with composites (I saw how this happens with aircraft ..."

            You know, I’m not a specialist in the field of nuclear military shipbuilding at all, but something tells me that if they don’t do it, it’s not because the graduates of Soviet-trained technical universities did not realize this.
            As for the "bobbin" .. I will answer with a noble saying:
            It was not a bobbin - dolbo..b sat in the cockpit.
            1. Lt. Air Force stock
              Lt. Air Force stock April 3 2015 20: 09
              0
              Quote: noncombant
              that graduates of technical universities of the Soviet school did not guess about it.

              So on airplanes, if I’m not mistaken, about 6 years ago how this technology began to be applied (with the Boeing 787). For sure, no one has ever thought about applications in other areas. In addition, the air environment is one thing, and the aquatic environment is completely different.
          3. SSeT
            SSeT April 4 2015 00: 48
            0
            The Pts idea is good, it has a place to be, and was even worked out in Ruby. There is no place to be technology and equipment :( crying
    2. kote119
      kote119 April 3 2015 15: 45
      0
      man made a little mistake
  23. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y April 3 2015 13: 45
    +3
    "... Chemically active titanium .." - if it were "chemically active" - ​​they would not make any implantable plates out of it (onlays on bones, etc.)
    1. jjj
      jjj April 3 2015 17: 17
      0
      And you try to forget the titanium nut, say, in an aluminum boat
  24. Mishut37rf
    Mishut37rf April 3 2015 17: 15
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    [/ Quote]
    At a speed of 44 knots under water, the entire coating from the body will fly off
    And its speed is the only plus [/ quote]
    Yeah, fly away - not the right word. During testing, the case was even sanded!
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 3 2015 17: 22
      +1
      Quote: Mishut37rf
      Yeah, fly away - not the right word. During testing, the case was even sanded!

      therefore the second name of the "goldfish" is "silver whale" hi
  25. daem00n
    daem00n April 3 2015 22: 33
    0
    Whatever anyone writes, it’s a pity anyway, but time unfortunately is inexorable.
  26. toad
    toad April 3 2015 23: 58
    0
    Very sorry for the boat. After all, this is the very boat that overtook the Shatov aircraft carrier under water.
  27. toad
    toad April 4 2015 11: 36
    0
    Quote: Lt. air force reserve
    Quote: Anton Gavrilov
    Take away your ardor of patriots!

    This is generally a boat of the 2 generation! And in the yard, for reference, it’s the time of the 4, and work is underway on the 5! And the ship is generally very ambiguous, and it’s too loud to call it a masterpiece, a triumph of thought!

    And for reference, it was decommissioned back in the USSR, in 1989 year!

    Yes, here and no one offers to sail to the delight of enemies on a glorious but outdated boat. People just remember her as they remember a very good person with whom many have never met personally but have heard a lot about him and only good things. And this is normal in Russian. And from your progmatic "I served my throw and forget" (that's how I understood your comment) blows some kind of shtatovschinoy.
  28. sssss018
    sssss018 April 6 2015 08: 25
    0
    That's right, she served her own, and from titanium, I think for the defense industry, a lot of useful things will be done.