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Tricky comments. And where is the "Peremoga"?

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Well, overwhelmed, frankly, many media in Ukraine. Another big peremoga. No, not even GREAT PULSE. Were forced another discount on gas from Russia.

It seems to me that here the words “peremoga” and “extortion” have one root. But the point is not that. The essence of the filing process.

If you read the same BBC, then almost the whole European Commission threatened Russia and offered to give this very discount. What many Ukrainian media happily exaggerated. Here, they say, Europe has helped us, Europe is all for us, Ukraine is more than Europe and so on.

But the commission didn’t even get together for discussion. Well, this is also nothing, sort of like the Russians were frightened by the very fact and made concessions. Regular concessions.

The most important thing is to properly arrange and file. And it does not matter that the words “file” and “sop” have similar roots. The result is more important: there is a discount as a handout, which means there is peremoga.

And how it all famously began ... Loud statements on the topic “we don’t need Russian gas from 1 in April, Europe will give us everything”. And then bang - and the cold snap fell on their heads. And the gas was needed.

And those who made loud statements at the end of March (I won’t point the finger at anyone, they are all known), immediately crawled over to the aggressors. No, of course, crawled with pride and independence, but the request to Miller and Novak was stated. Give us more gas and give us a discount again.

And Miller with Novak what? They are like servicemen and completely dependent. Sent by instance. Up Kind, by the way people. Could and on a known Russian route to adjust. But ... "based on a difficult situation and being happy for the common people" ... In short, the result is known. You can breathe for another three months. Peremoga, in one word.

However, on the eve of these happy and reluctant events, an absolutely unnoticeable meeting was held in the energy sector of Ukraine. And there, Mr. Yatsenyuk was not talking about victories.

“The Ministry of Energy and Coal Industry asks for the sixth time to extend the state of emergency in the energy sector ... I am extremely dissatisfied with what is happening in this area. I see that the extension of the state of emergency reflects the real situation in the energy sector. Already 2,5 billion defaults, a mess in the calculations with the power industry. Coal, as always, no. Another point - the repayment of wage arrears to the miners. 200 million hryvnia allocated by the government, 250 million hryvnia - gave the market. These 250 millions have gone somewhere - to a certain bank that has already gone bankrupt, ”said Yatsenyuk.

Well, the situation is really extreme. So stealing from under the nose of the ministry ... Unless the ministry itself steals. 55% it is not known where to send - it is even possible for Russians to give a master class.

Nevertheless, the government will continue the state of emergency in the energy sector of Ukraine for another month. And then either a complete peremoga will come, or a full fur animal.

But Demchishin has nowhere to go - either to finish the state of emergency in a month, or ... I don’t know, there’s something like a theme about a pistol with one cartridge that would have sounded nothing, but not at this time and not in this country. But the instructions given, and given the prime minister, will have to perform.

Although one of the tasks is not just surprising. The idea is to carry out, through the Verkhovna Rada, granting the government the authority to impose rules on the electricity market in "temporarily occupied territories, including in the zone of the antiterrorist operation."

Waltz on the Titanic. Especially in the ATO area. So I see the envoys of Ukrenergo on the territory of the LPR (fed from the Rostov region, if someone does not know), who implement these rules. Okay, apparently, Demchyshyn Yatsenyuk tired, but what about the energy?

And so, wherever you spit, peremoga is solid.
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  1. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 2 2015 06: 14
    +53
    "Based on a difficult situation and striving for ordinary people" ...


    These pleasures come to us sideways. If we assume that there are some secret agreements between Moscow and Kiev, then something of their results is not visible. Rather, it can be seen from the Russian side - they again made concessions to the blackmailers. But with the Ukrainian - ongoing shelling, blockade, dousing with mud and further on the list. The rationality of such actions on our part is not clear.
    1. Lantau
      Lantau April 2 2015 06: 26
      +29
      In-in ... And as I understand it, from Ukraine there is a spice to Russia, which is killing our youth ... And you correctly noted where our benefit is and what?
      1. Basarev
        Basarev April 2 2015 07: 30
        +22
        Yes, it’s just to disown and renounce the Flaw a long time ago, leaving her alone with New Russia. And to the New Russians themselves - with all their heart and soul. Supply, as the Vietnamese supplied.
        1. igorka357
          igorka357 April 2 2015 07: 41
          +28
          And why should the Russians supply Russians to the tihari? Supply openly "humanitarian" and everyone else!
        2. EGOrkka
          EGOrkka April 2 2015 09: 15
          +4
          but Novorossia ento not only-LC and DNI !!!! .... here is the discount and give
          1. Alice Selezneva
            Alice Selezneva April 2 2015 15: 06
            +4
            In addition, please note:
            the junta is doing everything possible to exacerbate the internal conflict and the transition to bloody clashes directly with Russia. And it can begin both on the front line and through a social explosion of the impoverished, hungry, cold and accusing the population of all troubles to Russia.
            And Russia, in turn, is using every opportunity to minimize both human and infrastructure losses. Now time is a weapon - some establish statehood, while others collapse ...
        3. sherman1506
          sherman1506 April 2 2015 19: 32
          0
          Yeah, let’s build a fence with the egg. Fun.
          Or maybe we don’t know everything?
        4. Alex
          Alex April 3 2015 23: 08
          +3
          Quote: Basarev
          Supply, as the Vietnamese supplied.

          Well, I spoke about this option two or three weeks ago, but it seems that this idea is not so popular at the government level.
      2. igorka357
        igorka357 April 2 2015 07: 39
        +1
        In a geopolitical setting!
      3. Vadim12
        Vadim12 April 2 2015 07: 48
        0
        It’s not necessary to drive the spice through the cordon. Any house chemist will make his home. He will be too expensive with Ukrainians.
      4. Igor Golov
        Igor Golov April 2 2015 12: 24
        +1
        And you do not need to understand where the benefits are. Whiskey and Facebook - this is your destiny. And there everything is calculated to the smallest detail.
      5. Corsair
        Corsair April 2 2015 15: 23
        0
        You forget, gas goes not only to Kuev, but also to Donbass, which overslept Odessa, and it’s also a kind of propaganda: Russia is not at war with Ukraine - look - we are selling gas to you as before. Although there are a lot of zombies there, some of them still think - they are asking themselves questions - why are we trading with the country with which we are fighting.
        1. Alice Selezneva
          Alice Selezneva April 2 2015 15: 57
          +2
          exactly.
          I came across a phrase on the network explaining the essence of the process:
          "In Ukraine, Russian loot defeats Western evil."
          lol
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        3. glasha3032
          glasha3032 April 3 2015 01: 51
          0
          Corsair: they don’t ask themselves questions, firmly they know -Russian are enemies, and you won’t condone them in any way, they change all the Russian goodness into their victory over Russia and nothing else! And from this they fool even more! Do we need this?
      6. La-5
        La-5 April 2 2015 22: 29
        +1
        Quote: Lantau
        In-in ... And as I understand it, from Ukraine there is a spice to Russia, which is killing our youth ... And you correctly noted where our benefit is and what?

        Most of the spice goes to Russia from China, but to Ukraine it also comes from China.
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    3. igorka357
      igorka357 April 2 2015 07: 39
      +6
      Time works for us ... and with every discount to Ukraine, with every good intention in its direction, more and more people are leaning toward Russia, we are doing everything right !!!
      1. Lantau
        Lantau April 2 2015 07: 47
        +19
        and with every discount to Ukraine with every good intention in her direction, more and more people are leaning toward Russia

        Tell me, do you really believe that? And why is this done at our expense? Personally, no one makes discounts to me, they do not increase salaries, they raise prices ... What makes such a generosity to a regime hostile to us? Or tell me, we don’t know much ... ??? So enlighten.
        1. EGOrkka
          EGOrkka April 2 2015 09: 48
          -1
          .... but not hostile people! smile
          1. ak13-blood
            ak13-blood April 2 2015 11: 25
            +9
            It seems to you that it is not hostile. I do not have an hour that I would not hear "Oaths Mos..li". Well, expressions in the same spirit.
            1. igorka357
              igorka357 April 2 2015 17: 55
              +2
              A man hears what he wants to hear .... for example, I hear the crying of Ukrainian children in the Donbass, the suffering of their mothers ... the crying of wives and grandmothers who have lost husbands and sons, so dear! I hear the voices of ordinary people who say .. we don’t want war, stop the war ... dear!
              1. GDP
                GDP April 2 2015 20: 41
                +4
                Donbass and Kiev have a different culture and different people live there and they relate differently to Russia ...
                Gas discounts for Kiev - new weapons and shells in the ATO ...
        2. igorka357
          igorka357 April 2 2015 12: 13
          +7
          Why should I enlighten you? Forgive me, of course, but if you don’t understand who we are giving the discount to, I won’t be able to help you unfortunately! We don’t do it for you ... we earn our reputation and credibility on the world stage, and if you don’t watch the news, don’t read newspapers, don’t use the Internet, then I’m not going to inform you .. this is about politicians of not such a low level who began to speak positively about Putin’s Russian policy towards Ukraine, it turns out that the cup of confidence in the Russian side is gradually it’s filling up, I say it again .. time is working for us !!! Your products have increased not because Ukraine made a discount, but because of the so-called sanctions !!! If you are for the sake of the country in which your relatives live, your family , your house is located, you can’t tolerate ... I don’t know then! Maybe you have become very hungry, you give the last piece of bread to your children ... no, right?
          1. Igor Golov
            Igor Golov April 2 2015 12: 28
            +1
            It’s not even about earning a reputation. The Ruins have big energy problems. And if you don’t give them energy now, you will get a minimum of many billions of dollars to eliminate the consequences, and in the worst case, an atomic atom with consequences even greater. Only the generation of Facebook whiskey explain the rotten deal.
            1. KBACYPA
              KBACYPA April 2 2015 14: 48
              0
              And you, dear, do not explain. Just state your vision of the situation. And there we cough. Maybe you see what others do not see. Or vice versa, others see what you don’t see ...
              1. Alice Selezneva
                Alice Selezneva April 2 2015 15: 22
                +2
                your avatar is not very ...
                with us with such symbols only neo-Nazis from the Right Sector or from the Patriots of Ukraine shine. Still punitive battalions like Aydar, Azov and other scum love ...
                Does this bother you?
                1. Andrey Skokovsky
                  Andrey Skokovsky April 2 2015 19: 10
                  +2
                  Quote: Alice Selezneva
                  your avatar is not very ...
                  with us with such symbols only neo-Nazis from the Right Sector or from the Patriots of Ukraine shine. Still punitive battalions like Aydar, Azov and other scum love ...
                  Does this bother you?

                  this is a local Russian PS, according to ideology they do not differ from yours and are funded by NGOs, the only plus in the blood has not yet been messed up ...
                  1. Alex
                    Alex April 3 2015 23: 12
                    +4
                    Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
                    the only plus in the blood is not soiled ...

                    That's it - until it ...
                  2. KBACYPA
                    KBACYPA April 4 2015 08: 19
                    -1
                    Well, if you got to the bottom of the avatar, then there is nothing to argue on the topic.
              2. igorka357
                igorka357 April 2 2015 17: 59
                0
                This is you to me hi ?
          2. Lantau
            Lantau April 2 2015 12: 38
            0
            Everyone suffers and the president also suffers ... By as much as 10% he lowered his salary ... You are ridiculous.
            1. igorka357
              igorka357 April 2 2015 18: 03
              0
              Ah, and so it’s that ...)) the salary you receive doesn’t give you peace, the main thing for you is yes ... so become the president)) !!! Good luck !!! And I think about the question of starving you personally, and your children you will not answer! Regards, I bow hi !
          3. user
            user April 3 2015 14: 20
            0
            Maybe you have become very hungry, you give the last piece of bread to your children ... no, right?


            It's not about hunger. Call at least one event at least somehow showing an improvement in the attitude of the population towards Russia, but without the LPR and the DPR or refugees, this is a different story, I’m even curious to hear about this.
        3. Igor Golov
          Igor Golov April 2 2015 12: 25
          +1
          You really don't know much. And about enlighten - God will enlighten. (Similar to file). We would have sat quietly in their muddy, comfortable offices.
          1. Lantau
            Lantau April 2 2015 12: 40
            +1
            We would have sat quietly in their muddy, comfortable offices.

            Thank you ... I will certainly take your advice.
          2. northern
            northern April 3 2015 14: 59
            +1
            You have repeated the same thing in five comments. Fantasy has run out or pages in the training manual?
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        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          April 2 2015 09: 12
          0
          Quote: Aleksander
          And the discount, who still did not understand, was made from the RUSSIAN BUDGET.


          I don’t understand. Are you saying that Gazprom will be compensated for this discount or what?
          Not so strong in our budget affairs, would be glad if you clarify. hi
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          2. Aleksander
            Aleksander April 2 2015 09: 30
            +7
            Quote: Banshee
            Quote: Aleksander
            And the discount, who still did not understand, was made from the RUSSIAN BUDGET.


            I don’t understand. Are you saying that Gazprom will be compensated for this discount or what?
            Not so strong in our budget affairs, would be glad if you clarify. hi


            The discount was made due to the almost complete cancellation of the export duty on gas, which is fully budgeted. Actually, these duties on oil, timber, etc. and fill it.
          3. Corsair
            Corsair April 2 2015 15: 31
            0
            Quote: Banshee
            I don’t understand. Are you saying that Gazprom will be compensated for this discount or what?
            Not so strong in our budget affairs, would be glad if you clarify.

            They will not fully compensate, but benefits and a reduction in state duty are possible. But here we must understand - that gas is not given to Ukraine for beautiful eyes, we’ll completely close the gas, cut the throat of Crimea, the island’s energy (not a mistake) is completely dependent on Ukraine, there are no new networks, as well as gas pipelines. It is unrealistic to deliver its gas to CHPs to end consumers.
          4. Andrey Skokovsky
            Andrey Skokovsky April 2 2015 19: 21
            +1
            Quote: Banshee
            Quote: Aleksander
            And the discount, who still did not understand, was made from the RUSSIAN BUDGET.

            I don’t understand. Are you saying that Gazprom will be compensated for this discount or what?
            Not so strong in our budget affairs, would be glad if you clarify. hi

            like your prompt reaction to events,
            don't like your homegrown analytics

            in the article, you absolutely did not take into account the natural fall in gas prices due to the fall in oil prices
            there is a peculiarity, if oil prices have fallen, then the price of gas will fall in a few months, and this is written in the contracts
            in this case, we have an initiative from the Russian gas industry, and it is connected precisely with a fall in prices and seasonal changes in gas injection regimes
            I’m sure that soon someone will normally understand this moment, without emotions and screams about everything was lost
            it so happened that Ukraine could in this case be promoted, which it immediately took advantage of,

            By the way, it is precisely such initiatives of the junta that point to the sanity of the Ukrainian side, they perfectly understand what they are doing and include a fool, if necessary, an excellent example ....
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      5. Aleksander
        Aleksander April 2 2015 09: 27
        +11
        Quote: igorka357
        with every discount to Ukraine with every good intention in her direction, more and more people are leaning toward Russia


        Yeah, only they believe that they "bent" Russia, read their media. This discount, by the way, is from the RUSSIAN BUDGET, do you know? It's crowded, isn't it? At the same time, Gazprom shareholders have not lost a cent! And why? Let them be kind at YOUR expense, not at the expense of the state. By the way, I’m not at all sure that Putin had the right to approve the discount - he didn’t accept the budget. And he wants to be kind, please, let him fold with Dima, Rottenberg and go ahead ...
        1. xan
          xan April 2 2015 11: 27
          +8
          Quote: Aleksander
          Yeah, only they think that they "bent" Russia, read their media. This discount, by the way, is from the RUSSIAN BUDGET,

          Quote: Aleksander
          But he wants to be kind, please-let him throw himself off with Dima, Rottenbergmi and forth ....

          Yes, calm down, comrade. There are such burnt cynics in the Kremlin that I personally am 100% sure that everything was counted there. Here’s a simple policy - no dill, no one can come to an agreement with Europeans, but Europeans are already cutting that they are sorry for the jargon terpily and this can be seen with the naked eye. Now they’re agreeing with Europe. The next step should be Europe’s dough, otherwise our fingers will not hit finger by finger. And Europe is unlikely to take such a step. We wait.
          And we must always remember the famous in politics: "it does not matter what it is about, it is always about money." And today's Kremlin can look far.
        2. Cat man null
          Cat man null April 2 2015 15: 01
          0
          Quote: Aleksander
          This discount, by the way, is from the RUSSIAN BUDGET, do you know? ... At the same time, Gazprom shareholders did not lose a cent! And why? May they be kind at their own expense, and not at the expense of the state

          Colleague, and you, in general, are in the know - who makes the decision on the discount? Okay, that’s easier:

          1. Gazprom Management
          2. Government of the Russian Federation.

          So 1 or 2? Choose the right one - get the answer to your question wink
      6. Alexander P.
        Alexander P. April 2 2015 10: 02
        +4
        What a delusion, it’s enchanting, but let’s give them weapons for free, maybe they’ll get a little closer to us when they will kill people in New Russia, sincerely believing that they’re killing us
        1. Igor Golov
          Igor Golov April 2 2015 12: 31
          +1
          Once again for office Europeans: a whiskey, a facebook. And do not talk about what the concept of spawn was not. They correct power. Themselves along and across corrected or what?
    4. mervino2007
      mervino2007 April 2 2015 09: 27
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      These pleasures come to us sideways

      Look at this action (discount) from the perspective of the future. This is after all concern for people, Russian people in Krajina. Which, very possibly, will be called in a completely different way in this future.
      1. aleks 62
        aleks 62 April 2 2015 11: 12
        +1
        ... because caring for people, Russian people in Krajina ....

        .... Well, yes .... Watch the video in the net ..... Such "Russians" are now in the Terbats (and a lot) ..... They will appreciate .... request
      2. igorka357
        igorka357 April 2 2015 12: 18
        0
        Voooot ... the truth is certainly not here, but the message is in the right direction, and the essence is called the long-term perspective .. !!!
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    6. Kraytos
      Kraytos April 2 2015 10: 30
      0
      The simplest transfer of money through the Square. Transfer through the closed non-credit bank tomorrow and the whole business. And then "Where are the 16 billion rubles from the construction site of the cosmodrome? And who did it ??" And fuck you already find the ends. And the dill in the share and the discount for this were beautifully knocked out of Russian cotton wool. From us with you.
    7. xan
      xan April 2 2015 11: 10
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      These pleasures come to us sideways. If we assume that there are some secret agreements between Moscow and Kiev, then their results are not visible.

      Our people have long forgotten about Kiev as an independent and negotiable client. Now, as I understand it, the Kremlin is negotiating with the Europeans on the help of dill, showing that they are going to meet even the "enemy" government of dill, and are waiting for the most dimwitted European politicians to realize that it is useless to help the "post-Maidan authorities" of dill. Europe is already at odds with the US on dill, and will continue to diverge. So we have to wait and show not to dill but to Europeans that we are "in white".
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 April 2 2015 12: 22
        +1
        Yes, people don’t understand, even if you’re afraid ... that there’s no junta discount ..)))) and the country's reputation is at stake not as an aggressor, but as a friendly state!
        1. plut-k
          plut-k April 2 2015 19: 01
          0
          Well then, let's then generally supply gas for free, such as the main reputation. But nothing, that Ukraine is going to increase payment for deliveries of e-mail. energy to Crimea, notice our electricity.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS April 3 2015 00: 20
            0
            Quote: plut-k
            Well then, let's then generally supply gas for free, such as the main reputation.

            and let’s, dear, forget about all the Russians in Novorossiya, in Prednistria, you should have forgotten, apparently, to forget about Ossetia in the 2008 year ... because it’s important that your pocket be tight.

            Quote: plut-k
            But nothing, that Ukraine is going to increase payment for deliveries of e-mail. energy to Crimea, notice our electricity.

            But is it nothing that provocateurs, murderers and thieves are in power in Ukraine? And what did you expect from such a rabble that they would generously and honestly do things?
            In Ukraine, as in other CIS countries, there are many Russians ... who in these countries are infringed on rights, and in some countries they are killed. Let's leave them all ... it's all about 50-60 millions of living people. But our money will ring in our wallets. The Americans won’t rise in two wars. They also thought about their pocket.
            1. Alex
              Alex April 3 2015 23: 29
              +3
              Quote: NEXUS
              in your opinion, apparently, it was generally necessary to forget about Ossetia in the 2008 year ...

              That's it, all the time Ossetia doesn’t get out of my head: they somehow did not hesitate to introduce the army, and drive Mishiko all over Georgia so that he choked on his tie. But they are negotiating with Parasay, they are shaking hands, they are concluding a truce that is beneficial only for him. It’s like to conclude a cease-fire before entering the Russian army in Tskhinval in some Minsk ...
      2. Alex
        Alex April 3 2015 23: 25
        +3
        Quote: xan
        So we have to wait and show not to dill but to Europeans that we are "in white".

        Unclean knows what and how is happening in that high politics, but we always show something to someone. And all the time, not that they are to us.
    8. mihasik
      mihasik April 2 2015 11: 19
      +6
      Quote: rotmistr60
      The rationality of such actions on our part is not clear.

      One little moment.
      Water and electricity go to Crimea from Ukraine + gas transit to Europe (if technical gas runs out in storage facilities - transit stops). This is the reason for the next discounts.
      When the Crimea will have its own water and electricity and a bridge across the strait, as well as launch the "Turkish Stream", then the Ukrainian blackmail will end for the most part.
      But I think the "great winners" will come up with something else!)
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt April 2 2015 12: 20
        +1
        All of the above does not come from Ukraine, but through Ukraine.
        1. mihasik
          mihasik April 2 2015 14: 17
          +1
          Quote: siberalt
          All of the above does not come from Ukraine, and through Ukraine.

          So this is the main problem.
          For this reason, electricity is supplied to Ukraine according to Russian tariffs, and Crimea, according to Ukrainian tariffs, and supposedly winter failures with the Crimea turned off.
          Therefore, a discount on gas. Since if the transit ends, Gazprom will not fulfill its supply obligations, which is fraught with penalties and the loss of the European market, which, by the way, is what the United States is seeking.
          1. Alex
            Alex April 3 2015 23: 38
            +3
            Quote: mihasik
            Since if the transit ends, Gazprom will not fulfill its supply obligations, which is fraught with penalties and the loss of the European market, which, by the way, is what the United States is seeking.

            This is not fraught with anything. In the period I already mentioned, a clear explanation was given: the presence of transit gas is a problem and a concern of the transit country, otherwise it is not. And, by the way, then there were no complaints against Russia. And now it will not, unless, of course, the case is conducted correctly. And so, we say a lot, but in fact, dill again wins. And it doesn’t matter what kind of sauce: they will explain everything to their maydauns as they should. But on the Russian side, no distinct explanation is visible.
      3. igorka357
        igorka357 April 2 2015 12: 26
        +1
        Here people who think rationally begin to appear ... and at the beginning, they didn’t pour comments on our politicians except diarrhea .... I was already tired of shouting, well, not in Ukraine it’s a discount .... citizens smoke… smoke, and then write comments !!!!
        1. Vityura
          Vityura April 2 2015 20: 50
          0
          Excavations in Ukrainina showed that the end of the world came in a separate region of Ukrov, as a result of the celebration of the end of the world of protoucres.
      4. Alex
        Alex April 3 2015 23: 33
        +3
        The story of transit (technical) gas was already there too (in Ukraine, nothing is new under the moon). Europe properly pressed and went Yulenka once again to Belokamennaya. So this is not an argument.

        Quote: mihasik
        When Crimea will be with its water and electricity and a bridge across the strait, as well as launch the "Turkish Stream"

        I think these events will wait at least another ten years. During this time, realities will be completely different.
    9. Igor Golov
      Igor Golov April 2 2015 12: 23
      0
      Roll the whiskey and calm down. Each step is verified - especially in the sanctions regime.
    10. kolobok63
      kolobok63 April 2 2015 15: 34
      -1
      To our great regret, our authorities are backing up for the umpteenth time! Are you worried about common people? Would you think better of yours? Ukraine fell into a stupor, people were duped to disgrace! Look at any Ukrainian channel, it’ll understand everything at once. that and on this side! hi
    11. AndreyS
      AndreyS April 2 2015 19: 20
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      The rationality of such actions on our part is not clear.

      Is it not visible? And there’s nothing that energy comes to the Crimea from the territory that is independent?
      1. Alex
        Alex April 3 2015 23: 44
        +3
        Quote: AndreyS
        And there’s nothing that energy comes to the Crimea from the territory that is independent?

        You know, in the Ukrainian classics there is a story-novella "Koni is not vinny". There, one liberoid-world-eater posed as a friend of the people, but when the peasants rose in revolt, the soldiers assigned to pacify them were quartered on his farm. With the argument: the soldiers' horses are tired, they need to rest, they are not to blame. Doesn't it look like anything?
    12. Aleksiy
      Aleksiy April 2 2015 22: 00
      +1
      Shaw here is not clear: PARTNERS SHOULD BE SATISFIED, and here the residents of Donbass, they sho, partners?
  2. Denis
    Denis April 2 2015 06: 14
    +10
    The most important thing is to properly execute and file
    They served it well, only the background let us down
    And there’s no time to rake, soon a new Maidan
  3. Teberii
    Teberii April 2 2015 06: 14
    +3
    Peremoga in one word everything is like in a joke "The doctor said to the morgue, then to the morgue."
  4. alex74nur
    alex74nur April 2 2015 06: 16
    +12
    Theater of the absurd. Shout at every corner that Russia has attacked, Russia is the "aggressor". And immediately beg the "aggressor" for a gas discount. On the other hand, what to take from the puppet regime?
    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH April 2 2015 07: 38
      +12
      Shout at every corner that Russia has attacked, Russia is the "aggressor". And immediately beg the "aggressor" for a gas discount.
      Theirs is exactly what you can understand. You have to live, or rather, SURVIVE ... And we? They spit in our faces with a smirk, we wipe ourselves off, smiling and pretend that this is how it should be. Parents even punish their children, but why can't we give a belt to our "brothers"? Without quotation marks, the hand does not rise to write.
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      2. Aleksander
        Aleksander April 2 2015 09: 15
        -1
        Quote: BecmepH
        ... And we? We spit in the face with a smirk, we wipe ourselves off, smiling and pretend that this is the case.


        Yes, the wild position is slurred, miserable, cowardly, short-sighted and humiliating. Less to the government and Putin.
        1. igorka357
          igorka357 April 2 2015 12: 28
          0
          Just the same visionary policy of Putin, and you are simply zero in geopolitics !!!! Yes, we are not bargaining with Ukraine, but at the moment with Europe !!!
      3. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka April 2 2015 09: 36
        0
        What is their understanding then? brainless VEGETABLES of cyan-zhidov-chm ashny agglomeration !!! It is a pity for the people of New Russia - according to the will of fate, living with these cattle.
    2. igorka357
      igorka357 April 2 2015 07: 43
      +3
      That's exactly what stupid Kuev’s power plays into our hands, more and more sensible politicians are appearing ... who are beginning to say openly that Russia is not the enemy of Ukraine!
      1. Alex
        Alex April 3 2015 23: 52
        +3
        Quote: igorka357
        That's exactly what stupid Kuev’s power plays into our hands, more and more sensible politicians are appearing ... who are beginning to say openly that Russia is not the enemy of Ukraine!

        And so what? Stop killing in the South East? Punished the culprits of "Odessa Khatyn"? Did they recognize not that the LPR and the DPR, but at least the federal principle of the structure? Disarmed and imprisoned the bandits from the Terbats again? At least they removed the junta from power (you will get tired of listing names). Do not be naive, no politicians mean anything in Ukraine now and will not mean anything. And Europe absolutely doesn’t care what concessions Russia is making and to whom: they get their gas, they don’t think about lifting the sanctions, so "everything is fine, beautiful marquise." And Russia again pays for everything and owes everything.

        And in general, it is amazing how ardently some members of the forum come up with explanations for such a step by the government. Maybe let it itself say something intelligible about this? Although, I doubt however.
  5. Sharky
    Sharky April 2 2015 06: 16
    +28
    And still, I do not understand the position of our government ... Why did they prolong the discount? Well, why bent under the junta regime? Really all such compassionate and the same Miller does not consider a penny? Ukrainians really want the European Union, so let them pay at the corresponding European price for gas! You look, and the junta themselves would go and overthrow faster, not from a good life. And it turns out that our country itself supports this junta in power! Or do I not know something? request
    1. Almatinets
      Almatinets April 2 2015 09: 40
      0
      so the discount under the conditions is given, one of them is 3 yards of debt to close (the Ukrainians do not have them, then the bill has been submitted to the EU and the USA)
    2. Igor Golov
      Igor Golov April 2 2015 12: 33
      +1
      You think correctly: you know nothing at all. And you do not need it. I swear by mom.
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  7. askort154
    askort154 April 2 2015 06: 18
    +27
    It began to strain. Ukrainians spit on one cheek, and we substitute the second.
    1. holod19
      holod19 April 2 2015 06: 32
      +11
      You are absolutely right! Soon they will simply demand a discount -more discounts, good ones. and different!
      The Foreign Ministry of Dill requires Russia to stop supplying humanitarian aid to Donbass !!!! fellow
    2. capral14091975
      capral14091975 April 2 2015 07: 26
      +1
      mentality we have such a hit on the left cheek, substitute the right
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 2 2015 06: 20
    +11
    Given the fall in oil prices (and, consequently, gas prices tied to them), Russia can quite rub its hands. The price of gas for dill at a discount is NOT BELOW than the resulting Central European. Peremoga?
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 2 2015 11: 17
      +6
      That's right .. The price of gas under the contract follows the price of oil with a lag of 6–9 months and changes quarterly. Thus, in the third quarter, the price of gas for Ukraine will be lower than in the second. And if there are no discounts, then in the second quarter Ukraine will simply refuse to buy Russian gas. Taking into account the reverse supply and own gas production for our own consumption outside the heating season is enough. And it is possible to pump fuel into the UGS facilities in the third quarter at a lower price as well, the discount on gas is not at the expense of Gazprom, but at the expense of the export duty, that is, the Russian budget. Therefore, the Russian monopoly is to some extent interested in gas supplies to Ukraine in the second quarter. In terms of money, it will not lose anything. Therefore, the Russian monopoly is to some extent interested in gas supplies to Ukraine in the second quarter. In terms of money, it will not lose anything, but it receives additional cash income from exports to Ukraine and the ability to minimize seasonal fluctuations in gas production of Gazprom’s interest in this combination is understandable. If we talk about state interest, then the Russian initiative to provide discounts could mean a change in Russian policy in the Ukrainian direction. Maybe it doesn’t mean, and we just don’t know everything that was introduced at the beginning of March. Gazprom dramatically increased gas supplies to non-CIS countries, which, according to some observers, was connected with the cessation of the “struggle” with reverse gas supplies to Ukraine. It is also possible that this is ordinary dumping with the aim of keeping the market and fighting competitors on a global scale, because the lifting of sanctions from Iran is most likely just around the corner, given that Americans are actively climbing into Turkmenistan, the struggle for gas markets will seriously worsen.
      1. reservist
        reservist April 2 2015 12: 18
        +1
        Quote: Ascetic
        It is also possible that this is an ordinary dumping in order to maintain the market and fight competitors on a more global scale.

        it seems so it is ...
        According to Gazprom, in 2014 the company exported 146,6 billion cubic meters to Europe. m of gas by $ 49,8 billion. This year, it is planned to increase deliveries to 160 billion cubic meters. m. But revenue will decrease by $ 14,3 billion to $ 35,5 billion, if the forecast of the Ministry of Economic Development comes true. Europe in 2014 accounted for almost 70% of all Gazprom’s gas sales.

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      2. region58
        region58 April 2 2015 13: 29
        +2
        Quote: Ascetic
        we just don't know all the introductory

        in addition, if everything they have there is completely bent, where will the people break? I do not think that in Europe they are very happy. And the crowds of refugees also need to be fed, shod, dressed - that is, money is still wasted. So maybe it's easier to prevent a complete collapse? The question is however ...
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic April 2 2015 14: 08
          +2
          no serious and long-term financial stabilization is possible without starting up the industry. And the industry requires a stable supply of gas and lower tariffs for it (otherwise most Ukrainian enterprises, especially in the field of metallurgy and the chemical industry, will simply be unprofitable).
          RIA Novosti Ukraine: http://rian.com.ua/columnist/20150401/365631170.html
          Apparently, in the long run, the full collapse of the Ukrainian industry is disadvantageous and the negative processes associated with it are not Latvia where half of the 2 million people in the salaries in Tumanny Albion, where heavy industry was also eliminated, the consequences will be much more serious, especially since there are a lot of enterprises historically tied to Russia. And it seems to me that we will have to reanimate all this and not Tseeuropeysam and here it is better that the patient is more likely alive than dead and not vice versa.
        2. plut-k
          plut-k April 2 2015 19: 22
          0
          Introductory Received: Imagine That Tomorrow Gas is Delivered to Ukraine for Free
          (hard to imagine of course, but still). Question: how much will the Ukrainian economy grow?
          The second question: how much will Kolomoisky and K grow? And finally question number three:
          What is the likelihood of resumption of hostilities in the Southeast?
    2. igorka357
      igorka357 April 2 2015 12: 29
      0
      Oh, people do not understand ... too many writers, thinkers by no means ..)))
  9. parusnik
    parusnik April 2 2015 06: 30
    +7
    Peremoga .. we give them a discount .. and ukronatsisty..for the population the gas price will be lifted .. and they say Putin is to blame ..
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      April 2 2015 09: 14
      +4
      So already pulled up. And it is clear that only Putin and all of Russia as a whole are to blame.
  10. fa2998
    fa2998 April 2 2015 06: 32
    +18
    On the one hand, everyone accuses the Kiev junta, on the other we give a discount on gas. On the contrary! All the excuses that we regret ordinary Ukrainians are false. We do not directly supply gas to the stove. The Kiev leadership has increased gas tariffs for the population several times, squeeze last juices, there’s still a discount. You can put the difference in your pocket, or send it to war. negative hi
  11. Toltec
    Toltec April 2 2015 06: 33
    +1
    They quickly gave, it was necessary to still crawl at the feet, together with the eurofascists ...
  12. Gunsmith
    Gunsmith April 2 2015 06: 34
    +8
    When such decisions are made at such a level, it means that we do not know or do not take into account something.
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 April 2 2015 07: 48
      +2
      Absolutely right ... half of the users think of a small town ... looking for a one-time benefit for Russia, the one who gives such orders ... calculates everything on the front and with greater benefit !!!
  13. 3axap
    3axap April 2 2015 06: 41
    +1
    Author Skomorokhov Roman (Banshee) ......... What a "snide" you are. Everything goes wrong with them and goes to the bottom, and you scoff. tongue wassat Thanks for the morning posit. hi
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      April 2 2015 09: 16
      +2
      I? Are you kidding me? In my opinion, I am simply stating facts, nothing more. And the fact that they get up there is another question. Won in Switzerland, everything is quiet, peaceful, so I do not go there.
  14. drundel861
    drundel861 April 2 2015 06: 42
    +2
    Another point is the repayment of wage arrears to miners. The government allocated 200 million hryvnias, and the market gave 250 million hryvnias. These 250 million went somewhere - to a certain bank that has already gone bankrupt, ”Yatsenyuk said.
    Some poltergeist is direct, money is in the bank but there is no bank. fool
  15. varela
    varela April 2 2015 06: 44
    +8
    Do Ukrainians have a "peremoga"?
    And we better than?
    Do their words differ with deeds?
    And we have?
    There are no less loud statements and fanfare, but in fact, who are we laughing at?
    We continue to make concessions, and just feed all the scale there, and our riffraff who stuck to the pipe, who doesn't care about all the deaths and principles, if only the pocket doesn’t lose weight.
    And all the discounts to Kaklam will come out sideways and withdraw from the Russians!
    Article - an attempt to make a mine in a bad game.
    But no longer rolls, these things stuffed, you know ...
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      April 2 2015 09: 23
      +3
      Quote: varela
      And we better than?


      Well, in fairness, for now we (hopefully) do not have a communal 80-90% of pension. We are not rowing to slaughter everyone. We still have if not laws, then at least hints on them (although with what to compare). And we have no fighting. And the light is not cut down.

      So everything is not so bad.

      Quote: varela
      We continue to make concessions, and just feed all the scale there, and our riffraff who stuck to the pipe, who doesn't care about all the deaths and principles, if only the pocket doesn’t lose weight.


      We continue not to give bent to millions of ordinary people who, in principle, are guilty only because they were born and live there. The fact that they profit from the tops - well, so where are the tops not profit? But this is absolutely no reason to arrange a blockade and begin to spread rot to everyone in Ukraine. They do a good job themselves.

      But in the West, only that is expected.

      Quote: varela
      Article - an attempt to make a mine in a bad game.
      But no longer rolls, these things stuffed, you know ...


      Do not read. We have a lot of resources where you can get detailed information about how good things are in Ukraine and how bad things are in Russia.
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 April 2 2015 12: 34
        -1
        All right said hi !
      2. varela
        varela April 3 2015 10: 46
        0
        It is with these snot about the unfortunate "ordinary people" that our snickering bosses are supposedly worried about and cover up the very desire to cash in.
        They would care so much for their citizens.
        They spit on both them and us.
        And do not drive a blizzard about "do not read", and send me somewhere to praise that "everything is bad in Russia."
        Unlike you, I see different things.
        And you just have to go to Red Square or to the entrance of Gazprom, yell "hallelujah".
        Everything is fine here with us, people just don’t know where to put happiness in bags ...
  16. aspid1944
    aspid1944 April 2 2015 06: 52
    +7
    Well, at least kill me, I can’t understand the actions of our government, they are looking for us in black, and we give them a discount on gas, where is the logic.
  17. Afinogen
    Afinogen April 2 2015 06: 55
    +9
    Well, if they gave dill a discount on gas, (they don’t have enough money for shells now) they could put a condition on it and give Crimea water for free. And so I don’t understand anything request
  18. fa2998
    fa2998 April 2 2015 07: 00
    +2
    Quote: Gunsmith
    When such decisions are made at such a level, it means that we do not know or do not take into account something.

    Dear Gunsmith, are we building democracy, or an absolute monarchy? If we (the population, taxpayers, elect
  19. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 April 2 2015 07: 01
    +3
    Yes, something does not stick, spitting in the direction of Russia, and a gesture of goodwill on the part of Russia. This is help to the madman.
  20. mamont5
    mamont5 April 2 2015 07: 21
    +2
    Quote: rotmistr60
    Rather, it can be seen from the Russian side - they again made concessions to the blackmailers.


    We cannot know all the background to the decision-making by our authorities and personally VVP, but ... there was a version that the complete collapse of the Ruins is unprofitable for us, and especially now, because it will be quickly occupied by "Westerners". Therefore, it is necessary to "feed" them so that they do not bend ahead of time.
  21. Tungus
    Tungus April 2 2015 07: 35
    0
    I propose that the gas price for non-fallowing should be tied not to world oil prices, but to domestic gas prices. But cho, at least not offensive.
  22. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior April 2 2015 07: 40
    0
    Yes, the discount is not too much, but lol
  23. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack April 2 2015 07: 42
    0
    no matter what happens - all one PEREMOGA- optimists damn or fools at all))))))
  24. igorka357
    igorka357 April 2 2015 07: 52
    +2
    Almost 100% of the comments come from couch warriors .... Do you think the president is dumber than all of us who have gathered here? Calm down, knows what he’s doing, and not a single decision in Ukraine is complete without his approval !!! Or maybe you’ll say that we have a useless leader ..))?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 2 2015 08: 27
      +1
      Quote: igorka357
      Or maybe you say that we have a useless leader ..))?

      The leader is good, only he also has his hands tied by Russian oligarchs. This is where you need to dance. And now all-in go — time has not come. Although I really hope that this time is not far off.
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 April 2 2015 11: 56
        -1
        I’ll give you a simple example about the oligarchs ... Hodor ... women ... Hodor dangles while traveling abroad, and may end like women ... when he painted prayers to Putin before the death of schools! When Putin came to power, he clearly gave understand the oligos as an example of these two .. whoever the boss knows who lives in this house lives normally .. for example an abrash, of course the GDP doesn’t tighten the nut, but he has power, and the Central Security Service of the Federal Security Service, the Federal Security Service and much more, and what happens. ... he can remove them at any time .. maybe now he just needs them !!
        1. taram taramych
          taram taramych April 2 2015 15: 43
          0
          Well, BAB was dead, no one has yet seen. And the statements of the Ingles? So after the revelations of the main cop there about stopping the persecution of pedophiles of the establishment under pressure from a British court, they are worthless.
    2. Lyton
      Lyton April 2 2015 11: 45
      0
      Quote: igorka357



      Almost 100% of the comments come from sofa warriors ....

      Well, you are probably not one of them, you don’t need such pathetic statements about our president, no one thinks about him like that.
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 April 2 2015 11: 58
        -1
        I relate myself to them, but I’m crying about the fact that we are giving in .. power is bad ... I’m not crying! Since we are giving in, it’s still necessary, and I will repeat it again ... all issues in Ukraine ... Putin decides personally .. !
        1. Lyton
          Lyton April 2 2015 15: 22
          0
          Quote: igorka357
          I repeat once again .. all issues in Ukraine ... Putin personally decides ..!

          Advisers do not listen to it, just people can’t understand why we are inferior to them in price, we’ll see, apparently they have more extensive information at the top and I hope they will do the right thing. At the beginning of the civil war in the east, too, there were many all-merchants, they had to enter the troops, as it turned out they were wrong, the Americans were waiting for this very much.
          1. igorka357
            igorka357 April 2 2015 16: 35
            -1
            Exactly ... and now you shouldn’t shout that our government is insignificant ... the junta makes discounts ... and finally we are bent ... if it does, then it’s necessary! Do you really think there are only morons in the government, and at a loss they make discounts, but they have completely calculated all the moves ahead ... GDP turned out to be a master!
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        3. varela
          varela April 7 2015 09: 17
          0
          All means "sofa", and then there was one real connoisseur?
          Personally, Putin reports to him ...
          Already zadolbali this glorification "Putin knows what he is doing!", "He's not in vain is silent" ... and so on.
          He doesn’t know a damn, and doesn’t decide, he also floats with the flow, and is dependent on money and oil tycoons.
          But the simple people all do not care.
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  25. Crown
    Crown April 2 2015 08: 19
    +2
    Let them pay for gas at European prices, making them a discount, we indirectly participate in the armament of Ukrohunta.
    1. taram taramych
      taram taramych April 2 2015 15: 46
      0
      Examine the issue of pricing.
  26. Leader
    Leader April 2 2015 08: 20
    +4
    "Patriots", it seems, do not care that we once again "spat in the face", and we wipe ourselves off and smile ...?
    Yes, in a coffin I saw such a government of "Medveputov-United Russia", who themselves sponsor the war in the Ruin !!!
    The Russian government - traitors, cynically profiting in any situation! Oligarchs and thieves!
    Tired of constant humiliation!
    Tired of the nonsense about the "secret plan" of Putin and his team, as a result of which we will win all!
    What are your plans? - all because of money!

    Let's go to / in ... with their lamentations about the "brotherly people".
    You have to be idiots in general to think that kh.okhly (or anyone else) will appreciate this gesture. Correctly they are jumping "Russia was frightened by the pressure of Europe"!
    Although, in fact, our oligarchs do not care what to make money on! - is on sale irreplaceable energy reserves. If there is a profit of at least 5%, they will sell what you want!

    The capitalist ministers and other Russian oligarchs - it’s time you all count!
    You are worse than enemies!
    1. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka April 2 2015 09: 29
      0
      We are just getting smarter ,,, - in the days of the USSR our country kept the communists in Europe and they dabbled the candy wrappers in their own country without destroying statehood. Why? Yes, because they went the way of the mess and came to the conclusion EVOLUTION is better than revolutions !!!!!! Russia in the 80s-90s-00x went the way of a mess !!!! What would a mess look like here ???? look at the ruin and multiply by 1000-AND WHOM STE NEEDS ??????? We do not need in RUSSIA !!!!!
    2. igorka357
      igorka357 April 2 2015 12: 01
      -1
      Another upstart all-crawler is a scavenger ... and when the Crimea was simply returned to the grandmaster ... why were you yelling?
  27. Egoza
    Egoza April 2 2015 08: 34
    +1
    Yes, we have a "peremoga". They've been brainwashed on TV in the morning ... "We have flooded Europe with agricultural products! Vegetables and eggs!" belay are examples of European food prices! "Our soybeans - they are buying it" Yes, we are now .... and no one will say that quotas in the EU for the production of everything and everyone, and no one will lower their prices ...
    But then an American businessman appeared on the air who praises the Ukrainian black soil and responsibly declares that joint agricultural enterprises will help both Ukraine and the USA! That's what the United States will help - I believe. They will grab the ground for themselves and then try to get them out of here.
  28. Egoza
    Egoza April 2 2015 08: 37
    0
    Peremoga! - forced Russia to sell gas at a reduced price by the end of the year! though with a sad mine they talk about checking Roshen, it seems they stole over 180 million rubles there, but it's all a lie! And the convoy again without checking! Means weapons being driven! And so - overwhelming!
    1. aak
      aak April 2 2015 10: 32
      0
      Aga-Aga ... In the light, you can rename the streets in Kiev so that nothing reminds of Moscow! Interestingly, and the Russian gas in their association with Honduras causes?
    2. reservist
      reservist April 2 2015 11: 57
      0
      Quote: Egoza
      sell gas at a reduced price by the end of the year!

      On Russian TV, it was about another quarter, and on Ukrainian - before the end of the year?
  29. D-Master
    D-Master April 2 2015 08: 40
    0
    The proposed discount actually brings the gas price for Ukropostan to the average European price - at the current oil price. However, it is based on the provisions of the 2009 contract. Which dill are trying to protest. But they'd rather buy gas from us than from the spot in Europe. The prime cost of gas in Yamal is cheap. new units have been put into operation and gas needs to be sent somewhere. Therefore, now the western route for China has become more important than the Power of Siberia. All this is well understood in the Kremlin and allegedly go to a meeting with Dill. In fact, this is pure business.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 2 2015 09: 25
      +3
      Quote: D-Master
      The cost of gas in Yamal is cheap. new blocks were put into operation and gas must be sent somewhere.

      Explain why you can’t send to your own villages? anyway, you need to build a gas pipeline.
  30. anip
    anip April 2 2015 09: 36
    +2
    Well, hurray-patriots, have they got away again? And then everyone shouted "fig-Ukraine-and-not-gas-free-for-all." That now you are not jumping with delight? And no, now you will come up with another excuse for this (Mr. D-Master has already put forward one of the versions a little higher).
    Only Gazprom will take its own money. From the people of their country. Increasing prices.
  31. andrejwz
    andrejwz April 2 2015 09: 44
    0
    GREAT BENEFIT. We got another gas discount from Russia.

    And we, in the heat of our urapatriotism, will shout that this is not so? The one who screams louder is right? And what then is the difference between a patriot of Russia and a "patriot" (we argue so, with quotes) of Ukraine.
    GDP declares that they have a "difficult situation" we understand that they have - it is for the inhabitants of Ukraine. But the tariffs for gas and its derivatives for the residents of Ukraine have increased. This means that the president and the government take into account the plight of the Ukrainian regime, the interests of the European political cuisine and the commercial interests of Gazprom, paying for all this at the expense of the state and you and me. And to those who say that Gazprom is a state corporation, I will object: in a state corporation, the state sets the salary and does not cover its size with a "commercial secret." The same goes for allied partners who depend on the well-being of Gazprom: I, like many and many Russians, have imported gas. Hey! Gas pipeline!
  32. Semenov
    Semenov April 2 2015 10: 03
    +1
    The D-master is absolutely right - gas prices are tied to oil prices, oil will rise - gas will rise. You must also pay for the use of the GTS. And we have a market - if gas costs cheaper in the UES - it is not profitable to buy from Russia. Production volumes have also grown - it is not in vain that they are chasing a pipe to China, goods must be sold.
    1. reservist
      reservist April 2 2015 11: 35
      0
      Quote: Semenov
      if gas costs cheaper in the UES, it is not profitable to buy from Russia

      it is possible that they are trying to keep Gazprom's share in the European market ...
      there are no pipes through Turkey yet
      the price in European gas hubs fluctuates: in February, a thousand cubic meters in an Austrian hub cost $ 300 per thousand cubic meters, now it costs $ 270-280. It fell to $ 250, but in the last couple of days it returned to the level of 270-280 dollars.

      http://vz.ru/economy/2015/3/10/733612.html

      The price of Russian gas began to decline last year due to a drop in the price of oil, to which Gazprom's contract prices are tied. But gas prices respond to the dynamics of oil prices with a lag of 6-9 months. In the summer, the company expected $ 350 per 1000 cubic meters by the end of the year. m, but in the end the average price for the year was $ 341. At the same time, the price of Brent oil more than doubled in the second half of 2014.

      http://www.vedomosti.ru/business/articles/2015/02/13/evropejskij-diskont-gazprom
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  33. Seregatim86
    Seregatim86 April 2 2015 10: 36
    +1
    The discount was provided for a reason, it’s politics, and there are no direct ways, and if there is, then you have to pay a lot for them, while patriotism will only be blasphemous, a whiner or a traitor, because a country and people without patriotism are an amorphous mass , with a foul smelling. I’m not saying that one should close one’s eyes to the problems of the country, but I don’t respect the alarmists trying to sow panic either, they generally threw such people overboard on board the ship in order to save the crew and the ship.
  34. Alexander P.
    Alexander P. April 2 2015 11: 13
    +1
    The strange policy of our government. At first, the president personally announced that he would not leave anyone in Ukraine, received permission to use troops to protect the peaceful pro-Russian population, and when Donbass and Lugansk revolted, permission was revoked. It was announced that due to economic difficulties, Ukraine itself would collapse in the fall-winter, because they say that the starving and freezing people will be demolished by the authorities. But then when winter came, Ukraine was given a decent discount on gas, with the motivation they say about ordinary people we take care of (and this despite the fact that for ordinary people the price of gas was raised fantastically in Ukraine anyway). Winter passed further, it was warm on the way, and now Ukraine has received an even lower price for gas. What do we have left over? Support for the Ukrainian economy, due to the low price of gas, so that the anti-Russian regime does not collapse, and the rejection of earlier promises to protect people, with the proposal to protect ourselves, with our help, of course, but by ourselves, while we are their enemies with a low gas price we help. Looking at this, the regions of Ukraine, which gravitated toward Russia earlier, were frozen in horror, as no one wants to in Donetsk and Lugansk, it’s better to sit quietly near Bandera. I don’t know who, how, but I don’t have censorship words to express my attitude to the behavior of our government in this situation. Can't they see and understand this?
  35. Val_y
    Val_y April 2 2015 11: 31
    +1
    Quote: rotmistr60
    These pleasures come to us sideways. If we assume that there are some secret agreements between Moscow and Kiev, then something of their results is not visible. Rather, it can be seen from the Russian side - they again made concessions to the blackmailers. But with the Ukrainian - ongoing shelling, blockade, dousing with mud and further on the list. The rationality of such actions on our part is not clear.

    And yet millions of ordinary people, old people, pensioners, hospitals, kindergartens, schools, warm and light. Let there be cattle among adults, but there are also normal and not a few in Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson, Kharkov, even Mukachevo (do not believe it, but this is true), and children in kindergartens and schools are to blame. There will be a separate demand from the natsgads, Banderlog, the leaders of the entire junta, other henchmen, and it is unlikely, humanly, not our method, not Russian, to destroy everyone in a row. As Simone Lurie said, "... the Russian lives by justice and that is his boundless strength, and for this he ALWAYS WINS" and now he will also win. I believe.
  36. xan
    xan April 2 2015 11: 47
    +3
    Comrades, forget about the dill power and their peremogu. It is useless to negotiate with them, and on water and energy for the Crimea, on lifting the blockade from the Donbass, and on all other issues, there is no power there. With amers, too, do not agree. This discount should be considered in the framework of Russia-Europe relations.
    And let dill rejoice, then what. We have other tasks and victories. And they have a little left. They are in such a jo that it’s just ridiculous to talk about some kind of peerogogue.
  37. Evil 55
    Evil 55 April 2 2015 14: 38
    +2
    Some kind of idiocy .. Theater of the absurd .. If UKRALINA is with us in a state of war, WHAT GAS SPEECH? I can’t imagine the Soviet Union supplying the German Empire with natural gas in 1942 ...
  38. begemot_86
    begemot_86 April 2 2015 15: 21
    -3
    This article is nothing more than a good mine with a very bad game.
    author -> author -> author apparently wrote this opus for residents of rural areas and the far north?
    Or thought that like this, in a dull, turning over the facts, he would gain additional points to his tarnished reputation?

    As a resident of Ukraine, I will say one thing, I do not know where the author -> the author -> the author took that this news "overwhelmed" Ukraine?
    Maybe he doesn’t know, but spring has already come, on April 1, the heating was turned off and the topic of gas became irrelevant and completely not interesting.

    In the summer, Ukraine is able to cover its gas demand with its own production.
    Of course, it was amusing as the author -> author -> the author submits the humiliation of Gazprom, I can recall that after half a year of blackmailing Russia with Europe and Ukraine with gas, it was Gazprom that was completely and unconditionally defeated (we read Russia).

    as I understand it, Kremlin political technologists thought to scare Europe by cutting off gas supplies? They didn’t scare, but no, they scared, but Europe was scared not as they expected, instead of rushing into Russia’s arms and buying, buying, buying gas, building gas pipelines and canceling energy amendments, they stupidly rolled them (Russia).
    The South Stream project was canceled, Europe began to actively seek another gas supplier, and began to actively reduce the consumption of this gas.

    And the evil cynical Banderaites didn’t get very scared, stopping gas supplies to Ukraine, Russia lost the largest buyer of gas in Europe, billions of losses placed a heavy burden on Gazprom.

    Less than half a year later, Gazprom began to supply gas to Ukraine, and again with discounts)) and the losses were not in vain, albeit not at the full price, "Let them sell something with discounts and close the hole in the budget" so managers thought from Gazprom.

    February 2015, Gazprom in pre-bankruptcy convulsions begs Kremlin politicians to stop blackmailing consumers constantly without blowing gas, for having lost several ships and paid a forfeit, Gazprom was even deeper in the anus of losses.

    Here it is VICTORY of the Russian world gas poured in unlimited quantities on the expanses of Geyropa, but for some reason its price fell almost two times, if at the end of 20014 it was sold at prices of 500 - 400 - 300 dollars, then in February 2015 it became stand $ 240 per 1000 cubic meters. Gazprom already didn’t give a damn about the price, if it would deprive something to sell and close the holes in the budget.

    And then the evil Ukrainians, looking at cheap gas in a vicious geyrop, decided to abandon the expensive but the only right Russian gas at a price of 380 shares, and decided to buy cheaply in Europe, especially since the winter was over it wasn’t so much needed, but for the winter they built several gas pipelines from Europe, increasing at times the transit of gas from there.
    1. Curculum
      Curculum April 2 2015 16: 11
      0
      Quote: begemot_86
      This article is nothing more than a good mine with a very bad game.

      This comment is the exhaust of a "peresichny" in the style of "yak veliks, Ukrainians Gazprom podolaly". He does not need gas for industry, and he does not need it. And ours?
      Quote: begemot_86
      February 2015, Gazprom in pre-bankruptcy convulsions

      Oh, "velykyy "'re coming out-ANALITIK, who built (on the keyboard)"several gas pipelines from Europe"- would you go to Censor.net, they love your kind there.
      1. begemot_86
        begemot_86 April 2 2015 16: 18
        -2
        I understand that there is nothing to argue?
        You are nice to a typical boor and ignoramus, well, and bells and whistles in addition.
        1. Curculum
          Curculum April 2 2015 16: 27
          0
          Quote: begemot_86
          I understand that there is nothing to argue?

          Object to what?
          Quote: begemot_86
          You are nice to a typical boor and ignoramus, well, and bells and whistles in addition.

          Oh, I'm calling ... Like - yntaligent? Well, please don’t ring a bell about "pre-bankruptcy convulsions", "built gas pipelines" and other crap.
          Why not in the ATO and defend ourselves against "Russian aggression"?
          1. begemot_86
            begemot_86 April 2 2015 17: 41
            0
            Go and your lunge was like a friction in the wrong hole?

            Not a lousy agent, but at least immediately try not to be rude.

            And who told you my little plump friend that I was not there? no need to think in cliches, so look and people will reach for you.
  39. begemot_86
    begemot_86 April 2 2015 15: 21
    -1
    And then the fun begins, the story of the humiliation of Gazprom in the faces:

    Gazprom (Russia): It seems that both sides have met the terms of the "winter package".
    Ukraine: I agree.
    Europe: All right.
    Gazprom (Russia): We need to discuss the summer package.
    Ukraine: Well ... probably yes.

    a couple of days have passed ...

    Gazprom (Russia): The discount on the "winter package" has ended, the final price will be $ 100 more.
    Ukraine: (surprised) Yes? Let's discuss it again in Brussels, for example in a month, I liked it there.

    another couple of days have passed ...

    Gazprom (Russia): In principle, we are ready to provide a discount of $ 100, but on the condition of "take or pay"
    Ukraine: (politely) Thank you, a very interesting suggestion. Let's meet in Brussels in a month and discuss.

    ... and further...

    Gazprom (Russia): You know, we consulted here and decided that we can give you a discount without additional conditions, but you need to write a letter asking our government about this.
    Ukraine: (slightly surprised) Oh how. And before the meeting in Brussels, the question will not be tolerated?

    ... and a few more ...

    Gazprom (Russia): You know, we ourselves wrote a letter to the government for you.
    Ukraine: Right, that's very sweet. (He turns his back and leaves humming) In the lovely city of Brussels, the snow is melting in the old park ...

    ... and a couple more ...

    Gazprom (Russia): (shouts after) We have good news! We will give you a discount! True, not fixed, but dependent on the price of oil
    Ukraine: (throws something over his shoulder, the wind carries snippets of words) Brussels ... wow ... a month!
    Gazprom (Russia): (shouts even louder) Okay, okay, let's give a fixed one!
    Ukraine: (from afar). I’m thinking ...
    Gazprom (Russia): (standing and looking thoughtfully after Ukraine, fingering an empty wallet in his pocket.)

    As a result, the throwing of Gazprom and its consent to all the flogs would have bought speaks of the great victory of the Russian people over the cynical Bandera and Geyropovites.
    1. Curculum
      Curculum April 2 2015 16: 31
      0
      Quote: begemot_86
      Gazprom (Russia): (standing and looking thoughtfully after Ukraine, fingering an empty wallet in his pocket.)

      The main thing is that Neftegaz has a full wallet ... wassat
      1. begemot_86
        begemot_86 April 2 2015 17: 38
        -1
        Where from? Go and get oil already for 50 shares, and the technologies were slaughtered by sanctions, and consumers are losing where the wallet will be full ??

        Although top managers do not pull pants like ordinary robots
        1. Curculum
          Curculum April 2 2015 17: 48
          0
          Quote: begemot_86
          Where from? Go and get oil already for 50 shares, and the technologies were killed with sanctions, and consumers are losing where the wallet will be full ?? Although top managers do not pull pants like ordinary robots

          Do we speak about "top managers" and "robotiagh" of Naftogaz?
          And yet, yes, oil is not "go already", but already costs more than 50 "dolyarov" -Ali're coming out-googel turned off?
          But for you, heartfelt, it should be up to one place: world oil and gas prices have fallen, and payment for gas has been increased for you, and how much - for a peremoga! wassat
  40. IAlex
    IAlex April 2 2015 16: 49
    +2
    the result is still the same, we pay from the budget to Gazprom for a discount on gas for hohlostan, and not the EU for hohlostan ...
  41. istealth
    istealth April 2 2015 17: 46
    +1
    Discount for gas, what's next! Ass substitute? Explain to someone how this banquet goes and at whose expense ... or our country became rich and we began to live well, the Ukrainian state became our best friend, or maybe we reduced our communal apartment, increased our salaries, or our bowels have been self-replicating recently? Recently, some acquaintances have the feeling that they are holding us for idiots.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 2 2015 17: 59
      0
      Quote: istealth
      Discount for gas, what's next! Ass substitute?

      But what matters to Romania about our gas?
      Quote: istealth
      Recently, some acquaintances have the feeling that they are holding us for idiots.

      No wonder what they thought when they joined the EU
  42. ABM
    ABM April 2 2015 17: 56
    0
    Quote: istealth
    Discount for gas, what's next! Ass substitute? Explain to someone how this banquet goes and at whose expense ... or our country became rich and we began to live well, the Ukrainian state became our best friend, or maybe we reduced our communal apartment, increased our salaries, or our bowels have been self-replicating recently? Recently, some acquaintances have the feeling that they are holding us for idiots.


    there is too much gas ... like oil - it needs to be sold! well preservation is a completely rotten business, like teeth ... if you do not constantly sell gas, at least at some price - the price will fall on it, like oil ...
  43. lawyer
    lawyer April 2 2015 18: 29
    +1
    And why then in our country the price of gas for consumers does not fall, since we forgive everyone the debts then we make a discount, it's strange.
  44. fa2998
    fa2998 April 2 2015 18: 47
    0
    [quote = фа2998] [quote = The Armsman] When Such decisions are made at such a level - that means we don’t know something or do not take into account. [/ quote]
    Dear Gunsmith, are we building democracy, or an absolute monarchy? If we (the population, taxpayers, elect
  45. Uzer 13.
    Uzer 13. April 2 2015 19: 27
    0
    Something dark with this gas and Gazprom. However, the condition was to repay the debts in the future for Ukraine to receive IMF loans. Apparently, another way to get the debts out of the villains. This is one of the reasons. The second is closed information about the cost of gas. Miller’s duty is to sell gas and receive money for it, and big or small, that’s how lucky. Nothing personal, as they say.
  46. not Russian
    not Russian April 2 2015 20: 07
    0
    Quote: igorka357
    Yes, people don’t understand, even if you’re afraid ... that there’s no junta discount ..)))) and the country's reputation is at stake not as an aggressor, but as a friendly state!

    Yes, my friend, here are some so nichrome and did not understand. Not everything in this world is measured in money.
  47. dieselmond
    dieselmond April 3 2015 00: 01
    0
    It is necessary that Yaytsenyuk himself negotiate a gas for Moscow on a reserved seat and sit in Putin’s reception room before dinner under camera flashes, giving unintelligible interviews on how he ended up here, otherwise everything is simple and inconspicuous.
  48. Andrei946
    Andrei946 April 3 2015 15: 55
    0
    Kind people, by the way. Could and establish a well-known Russian route.
    That's for sure. Miller already has experience building Poroshenko as a lousy cat ... But really ordinary people are not to blame for anything ...
    And then either a complete breakthrough will come, or a complete fur-bearing beast.
    It seems that a full fluffy animal is the goal of the entire Euromaidan ...