Kiev, in response to the gas ultimatum of Moscow, responded with military exercises

Kiev, in response to the gas ultimatum of Moscow, responded with military exercises



Today, on the eve of the beginning of the heating season, Ukraine and Russia once again found themselves on the threshold of a war - the “gas” one. No matter how strange it may sound, such confrontations have already become traditional with the approach of cold, but if previously all issues were resolved in the framework of diplomatic negotiations (though today, for some such negotiations, former Prime Minister of Ukraine Yulia Tymoshenko may be behind bars), then the current confrontation in Kiev decided to respond with a demonstration of military power. It happened immediately after the completion in Crimea of ​​one of the stages of the research command and staff field exercises of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the ambiguous name “Adequate Response - 2011”.

Yevgeny Lupakov, captain of the 1st rank of the reserve and an active participant in the "Union of Officers of Ukraine", which became known in the early 90s for its ambiguous almost criminal actions in the division of the ships of the Black Sea fleet between Russia and Ukraine, in particular, said: “All exercises today are taking place in accordance with the combat training plan developed for the year. I cannot but admit that it is very good that these large-scale exercises take place simultaneously with events that demonstrate the aggression of Russia and not only in the gas issue, but also in many others. And these teachings will once again demonstrate to our fearless brothers, but in fact the invaders, that you should not flirt with us. After all, this was already in the question of Tuzla. Our guys prove that it is not worth playing with Ukraine. The Ukrainian military has something and what to defend. ”

First of all, who is Yevgeny Lupakov? In the 1992 year, being the deputy commander of the 14-th separate division of submarines of the Black Sea Fleet, Lupakov was one of the first officers to take the Ukrainian oath. From that moment on, he began to actively stir up his fellow soldiers. The case later almost ended in tragedy. Here is what Igor Leukhin, captain of the 1 rank, told the case at the time, while senior assistant commander of the diesel submarine B-871: “March 13 March 1992 by B-871 castle on ideological work with personnel V. Petrenko assembled sailors of Ukrainian nationality passing urgent service, and under no justified pretext took them to the submarine, moored at the floating pier in the South Bay. Upon arriving at the pier, Lt. Petrenko gave orders to Team Down and fired three red rockets from the rocket launcher. On this signal, Evgeny Lupakov arrived from the far shore of the bay. At the central post, using general ship liaison, he read the text of the state oath of allegiance to Ukraine. The signatures on a sheet prepared in advance were placed by Petrenko, as well as four officers and a sailor Makhno.

Properly assessing the situation, the bilge driver sailor A. Zaets and engineman sailor M. Abdullin, who were on duty, were sealed in the 4 compartment and threatened to stop the ventilation of the battery, which threatened to explode the gas mixture, asked to provide them with the commander or with the first mate.

About what happened, we with the commander learned directly from the sailors who were returning after dinner to the barracks. The commander sent me to the boat, he himself went to the team in order to clarify the situation and inform the connection commander. At the central post, I found Lupakov. At this moment, the navigator of the boat Art. Lieutenant Barinov read aloud the text of the Ukrainian oath. Seeing this, I immediately withdrew the logbook, reported on the illegality of their actions, and demanded that they immediately leave the warship. ”

In general, then the B-871 was able to defend, and today it is in the line-up of the Russian Black Sea Fleet called “Alrosa”. And Yevgeny Lupakov quickly fastened a trident to his cap and turned into an ardent Ukrainian patriot, in every step he discovered the machinations arranged by the Russian side.

But this история. Much more interesting is the current Ukrainian teachings themselves under the loud name "Adequate Response - 2011". The exercises are held simultaneously with the participation of the ground forces, naval forces and the air forces of Ukraine at 15 ranges with missile launches and live firing. In total, 9500 military personnel take part in training battles, more than 2300 units of military equipment and weapons, in particular, 33 of the ship, 40 aircraft, 31 helicopter, boats and support vessels. The Ukrainian military didn’t carry out anything larger for many years. The reason, however, is commonplace: lack of money. Now, obviously, there were.

But this is far from the case. As you know, the defense budget of Ukraine, for example, for 2010 was planned at the level of 13 billion hryvnia - in fact, the troops received only 9 billion. According to Ukrainian Defense Minister Mikhail Yezhel, for the primitive survival of the army in 2011, at least 19,8 billion is required. hryvnia But the budget allocated to all 13,6 billion

The results are as follows. According to the Center for Military-Political Studies, the combat effectiveness of the forces and means of the Ukrainian Navy today is only 7%. The only "naval" program of Ukraine to create its own corvette is frozen. The average hourly flying time of pilots in the Air Force is 30-40 times less than the criteria for NATO preparation require.

It is clear that there is no money in the Ukrainian army not only for training, but also for elementary maintenance of combat capability. It becomes unclear - what was the holding of such large-scale exercises against the background of complete impoverishment?
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  1. fellow misha 29 September 2011 08: 47 New
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    They love to scare the naked hedgehog, they have such national fun
    1. ZHORA
      ZHORA 29 September 2011 09: 09 New
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      Naked ass scare on the Pacific Fleet.

      Exercises in Kamchatka: missiles from the Varyag cruiser did not reach the target, military equipment stuck in the sand.

      http://nr2.ru/society/349713.html
      1. Skarte
        Skarte 29 September 2011 09: 26 New
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        dubious little article ... the photo is finally left, this armored personnel carrier is stuck, has been walking on the runet since the time of the dinosaurs
        1. Banshee 29 September 2011 09: 42 New
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          Jora, you're not there again.

          Read the news and on the other hand, you will not look silly.

          http://topwar.ru/7123-razberem-zheltyachok.html
          1. Skarte
            Skarte 29 September 2011 10: 00 New
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            I support Banshee
          2. Skarte
            Skarte 29 September 2011 10: 01 New
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            I support Banshee
      2. vasek-3180 29 September 2011 10: 17 New
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        yet there is no zhor, disassemble the yolk ... lol
      3. подводник 29 September 2011 11: 07 New
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        WERE YOU WERE THERE?
        1. MichaelVl
          MichaelVl 29 September 2011 13: 48 New
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          The fashionable rapper "Noggano" has a song called "Fucking ... pump, ZHORA, where have you been?!?!?" :))))))))) The one who heard this song should bring a smile :)))
        2. esaul 29 September 2011 17: 09 New
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          Zhora knows by whose command to yap ... Do not stop him from working out the stew.
      4. almost demobil 29 September 2011 16: 10 New
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        The day after the publication of the article of this weirdo who was not even at the exercises, an article came out of a man who was personally present at the exercises, exposed the author of the vile libel and argued that "everything is a little different"
      5. zczczc
        zczczc 29 September 2011 16: 36 New
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        ZHORA, oh Zhora, Zhora ...
        Do not read liberal newspapers in the morning!
      6. Beil88 3 October 2011 06: 26 New
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        Quote: JORA
        They’re scaring their asses in the Pacific Fleet. Teaching in Kamchatka: missiles from the Varyag cruiser didn’t reach the target, military equipment stuck in the sand .http: //nr2.ru/society/349713.html


        ZHORIK, you are a weak trololo ...
    2. ZHORA
      ZHORA 29 September 2011 09: 10 New
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      Naked ass scare on the Pacific Fleet.

      Exercises in Kamchatka: missiles from the Varyag cruiser did not reach the target, military equipment stuck in the sand.

      http://nr2.ru/society/349713.html
    3. vasek-3180 29 September 2011 11: 15 New
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      they will shower us with NATO clumps wink
      1. Kail_seven 3 October 2011 15: 45 New
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        They do not have NATO clumps, their own, they will not be enough to shower.
    4. Bogatir
      Bogatir 29 September 2011 17: 27 New
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      A naked ass is when army exercises are already conducted on practicing for citizens.
      1. Denis 4 October 2011 04: 15 New
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        citizen, I suspect that you are ok
    5. His
      His 1 October 2011 14: 58 New
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      Remains of unsold property of the former great invincible Soviet Army
  2. Skarte
    Skarte 29 September 2011 08: 56 New
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    Just go and understand their logic: they don’t have money for gas, they don’t want to pay, constantly, something doesn’t suit them, but they found money for teaching and showing their power! Unapproved!
    1. Igor Vladimirovich
      Igor Vladimirovich 29 September 2011 23: 27 New
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      You are confusing something. It is difficult for the Ukrainian government to find the money that Gazprom wants. And the teachings of his army are carried out to maintain combat readiness, so to speak, so as not to feed someone else's. Well, will you argue that the exercises should be carried out only after the conclusion of the gas agreement. In this case, one does not relate to the other.
      1. Aleksey42
        Aleksey42 4 October 2011 05: 53 New
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        If I’m not mistaken, Ukraine raised the price of gas for itself by joining the WTO (such requirements).
  3. Skarte
    Skarte 29 September 2011 09: 08 New
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    these teachings will once again demonstrate to our fearless brothers, but in fact the invaders, that you should not flirt with us.

    Well, yes, we’ve got used to the fact that only we are to blame for all the troubles in the world ... We are invaders .... Yeah, the Turks and Poles who constantly slaughtered the Ukrainian population and seized its territory, are cute and fluffy and not occupiers at all, about the German generally silent.
    1. ZHORA
      ZHORA 29 September 2011 09: 12 New
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      There, Ukrainians also slaughtered Poles and Turks as well, but after centuries, everyone recognized - without you it’s better.
      1. vlbelugin 29 September 2011 09: 52 New
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        You have mixed something up. These are Poles and Turks Little Russians cut out. And Russia is for Little Russians "subscribed" (from the slang of your president).
        1. ZHORA
          ZHORA 29 September 2011 10: 12 New
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          It is when? near Konotop? Led by Pozharsky?

          “The color of the Moscow cavalry, having left the happy campaigns of 1654 and 1655, died in one day, and already after that the Tsar of Moscow could not lead such a brilliant army into the field. Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich went to the people in mourning clothes and terror swept Moscow ... "

          http://www.day.kiev.ua/21340/
          1. подводник 29 September 2011 11: 10 New
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            Yes it hahly thought out!
          2. Order 29 September 2011 11: 14 New
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            Regarding Konotop, I do not see much reason for pride, because the “color of the Moscow cavalry” was defeated by the Crimean Tatars, which constituted the main striking force of the combined Zaporizhzhya-Polish-Tatar army, the battle itself was only one of many 13-year-old Polish-Russian (keyword Polish) wars. As for the main “hero” of this battle, Hetman Vygovsky, it is difficult to find a more muddy, unprincipled and frankly mean character in Ukrainian history. With enviable ease, he swore allegiance and immediately betrayed everyone, and the Russian Tsar, and the Crimean Khan, and the Polish King, for which, incidentally, the Poles themselves then shot him like a wretched dog. And this figure shed much more Ukrainian blood than Russian, unleashing essentially a civil war. And on the contrary, the Russian governor Semyon Pozharsky, who was captured at Konotop, behaved like a man, spat in the face of the Tatars who captivated him and accepted the death of a warrior and an honest man.
          3. esaul 29 September 2011 17: 13 New
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            ZHORA, you are wooden to the waist and you can only be convinced (!) By dubov!
          4. Dovmont
            Dovmont 29 September 2011 20: 00 New
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            A lot of pathos and pathos, but what is the essence? the battle was between Polish and Russian troops, and Zaporizhzhya Cossacks were caught by Polish magnates.
            1. Kail_seven 3 October 2011 15: 57 New
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              There were no Poles. Your CEP.
          5. Kail_seven 3 October 2011 15: 54 New
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            Yeah, and how did it end for Vygovsky too?
        2. Kail_seven 3 October 2011 15: 50 New
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          You confuse this, then it was still one people, and signed only when the Poles have already raked from the Ukrainians with the Tatars.
      2. vasek-3180 29 September 2011 10: 25 New
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        Ukrainians can cut salsa from pigs ... wink
        1. Bogatir
          Bogatir 29 September 2011 17: 29 New
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          At the Horde sheep.
      3. Denis 4 October 2011 03: 53 New
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        who cut it?
        Ukrainians sucked on a hassle
        and then squealed about "greatness"
      4. Aleksey42
        Aleksey42 4 October 2011 05: 55 New
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        But what about the Pereslavl Council? "Forever with Russia" ?! Or forget the covenants of the ancestors?
  4. Vadivak 29 September 2011 09: 10 New
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    Kiev, in response to the gas ultimatum of Moscow, responded with military exercises

    After which, in Europe, they began to decrease in the main indices,
    1. Bogatir
      Bogatir 29 September 2011 17: 31 New
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      After which Europe began mass audits of Gazprom offices. Before this, everyone filed lawsuits against Russia. And Turkey today said - if there is no reduction in gas prices, there will be - a break in contracts.
      1. oper66
        oper66 3 October 2011 16: 59 New
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        yes break contracts even Turks, at least Ukraine from Poland — go through the bazaar, maybe even where you buy cheaper than Russia, it doesn’t matter if the northern stream works, and you’re drowning with flat cakes or coal of success in the revision of Gazprom’s offices
      2. oper66
        oper66 3 October 2011 17: 28 New
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        Earlier, Ankara had already announced its desire to adjust the price of gas imported from the Russian Federation, but the parties did not reach an agreement. In March, there was a meeting between Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, which did not give positive results. <br> <br> Last week, the Turkish Energy Minister already spoke about the possibility of refusing to extend the contract. At the same time, Yildiz said that other agreements with Russia for the supply of natural gas through other transport corridors remain in force. According to him, 3-4 agreements have been concluded with Russia, one will not be extended and "it will not cause problems." The private sector, which carries out part of the procurement of natural gas, if it wants, can itself negotiate with Russia, and the state "no longer wants to do this." <br> <br> Almost simultaneously with the statement of the Turkish Minister of Energy, from October 1, 2011 the Turkish company Botas raised the price of “blue fuel” for the country's population by 12,28% - 14,35%. And for industrial enterprises, the cost increased by 13,70% - 14,30%. The Turkish company explained this increase in natural gas prices with a worldwide increase in the cost of hydrocarbons, as well as the weakening of the Turkish national currency, the lira, Reuters reported. <br> <br> It should be noted that before the statement of the Turks, on Tuesday and Wednesday, immediately in 10 European states underwent extensive searches in the offices of companies associated with Gazprom. One of the reasons for such actions is that oil has risen in price, and according to long-term contracts of the Russian state monopoly with consumers, now, after “black gold”, natural gas should also rise in price. These actions were related to the investigation of potential "anti-competitive practices" in the supply of Russian gas to countries in Central and Eastern Europe. The statement of the European Commission said that such actions do not mean automatic recognition of the guilt of these companies.
        read down the ultimatum, but I heard a ringing and only ringing and stayed in your dummy and even so that you would know that 64% of the Turkish industry depends on Russian gas so sorry for the Turks if they obey you imbalanced oligophrenic
  5. Superduck
    Superduck 29 September 2011 09: 30 New
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    shit note, sorry, half the text about the submarine, the ultimatum of the Russian Federation wasn’t, and the exercises were 3 weeks ago and actually nothing about them.
    1. Banshee 29 September 2011 09: 46 New
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      Definitely a shit!
      Exercises are teachings, gas issues are another topic.
      And here the submarine is generally incomprehensible.

      In short, the dumbest provocation, the most important thing is the heading, and the rest is painted purely for the list.

      The teachings were good. This is the work of MO. Gas issues will settle the other instances. And an idiot lupakovym should deal with the third.

      Do not mix everything in one pile.
      1. Bogatir
        Bogatir 29 September 2011 17: 32 New
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        Quote: Banshee
        In short, the dumbest provocation, the most important thing is the heading, and the rest is painted purely for the list.

        - Especially in the scenarios in the Ukrainian Crimea.
    2. Bogatir
      Bogatir 29 September 2011 17: 31 New
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      Landing during the exercises - in the Crimea ironed ...
    3. Marat
      Marat 30 September 2011 00: 33 New
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      I support SuperDuck and Banshee! Again a provocative article! I can’t understand what the fuck. Who needs this? Just as ordered by pendosov

      Your banshee suspicions may turn out to be a reality
  6. Denis 29 September 2011 09: 47 New
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    scare? Wai, I’m, I’m afraid! if only they wouldn’t shoot at passenger planes, otherwise they like
    1. alex_97597
      alex_97597 29 September 2011 15: 44 New
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      sliw a ruskaia armia i ukrainsakaia 4em otli4aetsia? A ne4em ebalo sakroi moskal nedodelanii
      1. almost demobil 29 September 2011 16: 16 New
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        Well, would I have already written on my ridiculous surzhik, or ashamed?
      2. esaul 29 September 2011 17: 16 New
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        Phi! Alex, take a napkin - saliva is flying ...
    2. Bogatir
      Bogatir 29 September 2011 17: 33 New
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      Quote: Denis
      Wai, I’m, I’m afraid!

      - That's right, it’s not Chechnya that you didn’t defeat ...
      1. Alexei 4 October 2011 05: 36 New
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        Well, have you lost something?
  7. vlbelugin 29 September 2011 09: 54 New
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    I agree. The article is not about anything. Well do the exercises. Let them spend it. And here is the gas. Why mix?
    What demonstration of power is there? She is not there. Yes and nafik who needs them.
  8. Skarte
    Skarte 29 September 2011 10: 02 New
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    distraction of people from other problems
  9. Ion coaelung
    Ion coaelung 29 September 2011 10: 05 New
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    My grandmother said the saying: Where the crest went, the Jew has nothing to do. And so they all stolen, UKRali, all that was left of the union ... But there is nothing of their own, only a couple of modifications of the old weapons, and then probably the same with the designed union. And what will you do? BTRami what's in the picture? :)
    1. vasek-3180 29 September 2011 10: 20 New
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      when a crest was born, a Jew cried for three days ... wink
      1. mar.tira
        mar.tira 4 October 2011 14: 44 New
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        Do you even know the origin of the word "crest"!
    2. Kail_seven 3 October 2011 16: 17 New
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      But it seems to me that our defense industry would not mind getting hold of:
      Motor-Sich OJSC: manufacturing and repair of aircraft engines
      GP NPK Zorya-Mashproekt: development and production of gas turbines, including for air-cushion landing craft
      ANTK them. Antonova: aircraft development, production of units
      SE "Plant them. Malysheva ": tank production, diesel generators
      GAHK "Artem": production of aviation weapons, air-to-air missiles
      KhGAPP: production of An-74, An-140 aircraft
      Zaporizhzhya Machine-Building Design Bureau named after Ivchenko: development of aircraft engines
      Sevmorzavod OJSC: shipbuilding, submarine repair
      State Enterprise "Machine-Building Plant" FED: production of hydraulic units for aircraft systems
      State Enterprise "Plant" Arsenal ": Optical and Optoelectronic Systems
      GAHK "Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant": destroyers, cruisers, aircraft carriers
      Novator software: production of radar fragments for combat aircraft
      State-owned electric machine-building plant Iskra: production of ground-based radar systems
      Fotopribor: optical and optoelectronic systems
      OJSC "Kiev factory" Radar ": radar and navigation equipment
      Zhuliansky machine-building plant "Vizar": production of fragments of missiles for air defense systems
      Shipbuilding company More: frigates, combat boats and small landing ships
      Shipyard "Lenin's Forge": small anti-submarine ships (corvettes)
      HCBM named after Morozova: the creation and modernization of armored vehicles
      SE “Shipbuilding Plant named after 61 Communards ”, etc. or don't you think so?
      1. Bogatir
        Bogatir 3 October 2011 21: 24 New
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        You can still add, but the essence will not change - the banana republic of Russia can not see the above. In Russia there is nothing and never will be.
        1. Alexei 4 October 2011 05: 51 New
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          In fact, in Russia there is a flurry of underground airfields, secret bases, where the equipment is at least for scrap. It rusts slowly - apparently there is a bigger weapon in the arsenal, and this is a trifle to cut a trifle)
        2. Aleksey42
          Aleksey42 4 October 2011 06: 02 New
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          You will not believe the Russian economy does not depend on world prices for bananas wink
      2. Aleksey42
        Aleksey42 4 October 2011 06: 01 New
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        I think that if it were not for the frenzied Ukrainian false patriots, then full cooperation has long been established.
  10. mga04
    mga04 29 September 2011 10: 27 New
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    The article is another govnolap. Well, some type of patriots. On October 3, on the Broad Lana near Nikolaev, exercises began with the participation of Russian paratroopers. The next Sergey Voznesensky will write something like: "Ukraine is working on countering the Russian landing"
  11. Kudrev
    Kudrev 29 September 2011 10: 49 New
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    Why is it so obsessed with Moscow Jews? Ukraine does not conduct exercises - it’s bad, we are ruining the army. Ukraine conducts exercises - again it’s bad, it’s necessary, and they took the money somewhere, and somehow called it wrong, and in general. You already decide there somehow. And then something needs to be decided on their own: Poverty of citizens, total alcoholism and drug addiction threaten the national security of Russia.
  12. MichaelVl
    MichaelVl 29 September 2011 10: 50 New
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    In the same way, I can write an article about how, "In response to a dispute over gas with Ukraine, the Russian Federation responded with the Union Shield 2011 military exercises, or" the Russian Federation launched the latest 5th generation rocket in response to the gas war with Ukraine " :))))))))))) That’s for sure "author’s zhzhot" :)))))))

    It is very pleasant that the people who appear on this site adequately relate to such articles (not counting the ZHORA, of course, and Kudrev is still offended by Russia)!

    Although, the statements of "Ukrainian captain Yevgeny Lupakov" attract attention. Ukrainian garny clap got to the exercises :)
    1. almost demobil 29 September 2011 16: 18 New
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      Yes, Zhora is a provocateur, here is another hero of the same kind.
    2. Bogatir
      Bogatir 29 September 2011 17: 35 New
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      Quote: MichaelVl
      Ukrainian garny clap got to the exercises

      - Reward!
      1. Denis 4 October 2011 08: 38 New
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        better as a bender
        need Pavel Sudoplatov
  13. Anatoly
    Anatoly 29 September 2011 11: 00 New
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    "Kiev decided to respond with a demonstration of military power" - it sounds very funny.
    And in the place of active armor of the tanks - pieces of bacon hang!
    1. gans
      gans 29 September 2011 17: 01 New
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      and on the gun, sausages are hung
      1. Bogatir
        Bogatir 29 September 2011 17: 36 New
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        Yes, not T-55 on the Far East and T-72 to replace the T-90.
        1. vasek-3180 29 September 2011 17: 52 New
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          Do not tell people down! winked
          1. Bogatir
            Bogatir 29 September 2011 17: 57 New
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            Quote: vasek-3180
            Do not tell people down!

            - I and I have no common genes ... laughing
            1. vasek-3180 29 September 2011 22: 12 New
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              so I'm very glad not! otherwise I would have to shoot myself! wink
              1. Bogatir
                Bogatir 3 October 2011 21: 25 New
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                Yes, Ugric genes are far from eugenics.
            2. oper66
              oper66 3 October 2011 17: 04 New
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              so who are you relatives here? down you alone f zhorik imbitsil here are a couple of idiots
              1. Bogatir
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                These idiots are Russians - whom everyone in the world does not like.
      2. Kail_seven 3 October 2011 16: 20 New
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        Yeah and a drunk crest behind the leverage, facepalm. Wake up.
  14. Splin
    Splin 29 September 2011 11: 01 New
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    Sorry, but zae ... such articles. After the army I rarely swear, but now such a case. These exercises were planned back in February, when cash infusions into the army became known. The scale of such exercises, I remember the last time 10 years ago .. It's like in the Soviet Union to raise 150 thousand to the exercises at the same time. Some goat from SOU was taken as an example. We cannot tolerate this "Union of Officers". Like him and the author of such an article, gas seems to be everywhere. 2 Russian Presidents and one Ukrainian have all decided on gas, but someone in the ass
    Who has served knows that the teachings are conducted mainly in the fall. Many were indignant at us, they say there was no parade on May 9 and on Independence Day.
    So it’s better to put up money for work than for show. And you yourself know what the work of the military is. As a result of these exercises, a new defense doctrine will be held. And no one was going to frighten the neighbors. What nonsense. The fact that the Russian paratroopers on the Wide Lan together with the Belarusians flew in and "jump on three" this pid ... the article did not indicate. And the Ukrainian landing in the suburbs also with parachutes flashes.
    1. Bogatir
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      Quote: Splin
      years 10 ago

      - Like yes.
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      So it’s better to put up money for work than for show.

      - Window dressing is now in Russia. With the development of force in the population and the confirmation that Russia cannot fight on two fronts.
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        Splin 29 September 2011 18: 06 New
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        10 years. I then got to the hospital, lying on the dismissal. And they began to cook equipment from April to autumn.
        1. Bogatir
          Bogatir 29 September 2011 18: 20 New
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          Yes - such a scale. In Russian and Romanian.
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        It can be seen as Ukraine, now with Russia, then with Europepa flirting on two fronts))
  15. mar.tira
    mar.tira 29 September 2011 11: 02 New
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    Well, what's the catch? I’m a Ukrainian myself. And I see all these ideological tricks right through. A Ukrainian will never go to Russian no matter how hard it would be, so is Russian, because it is tantamount to raising a hand to relatives in spirit and people's faith And this already threatens to destroy rulers share our identity as Rosichi, and thieves share the gas, and much more. Each tries to grab as much as possible, at the expense of the other, and into his own money. People will get little, at least from Gazprom, even from Naftogaz.
    1. vlbelugin 29 September 2011 14: 40 New
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      Correctly. You can’t allow the situation as in the saying:
      Panas are fighting and at lackeys forelocks are cracking.
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        Bogatir 29 September 2011 17: 45 New
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        Correctly. You can’t allow the situation as in the saying: Panas are fighting and at lackeys forelocks are cracking.

        “Whoever comes to us with a sword will die from him.”
    2. Skarte
      Skarte 29 September 2011 16: 06 New
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      In-in, but for some reason incite discord .... apparently, that people were busy with others and not outraged when bureaucrats share the "people's good"!
      1. Bogatir
        Bogatir 29 September 2011 17: 47 New
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        Not in Ukraine, Russia is in the top of enemies, but vice versa. And it was not Ukraine that built dams, it occupied the lighthouses, organized the provocations on May 9th ...
    3. almost demobil 29 September 2011 16: 20 New
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      Yes it is, dear. But the facts, the facts.
    4. esaul 29 September 2011 17: 19 New
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      Unfortunately, my friend, not everyone thinks so. An example is 08,08,08!
      1. Bogatir
        Bogatir 29 September 2011 17: 48 New
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        Unfortunately, my friend, not everyone thinks so. An example is 08,08,08!

        - A true example of a violation of international law by Russia and the occupation of Georgia.
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          Bogatyrenok, "Well, you're stupid ...!"
          1. Bogatir
            Bogatir 3 October 2011 21: 28 New
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            Dumb without history - they are looking for relatives in the myths of the lies of the "Russian world".
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              Yesaul correctly, he himself agrees; you see how he said about himself and there are none of his own like that, so they are looking for someone else in our history
    5. Bogatir
      Bogatir 29 September 2011 17: 44 New
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      Quote: mar.tira
      Ukrainian will never go to Russian

      - If a Russian climbs to Tuzla, or as it was to the Ternopil forest, they will cut not worse than the Chechens. That, too, was already.
      Quote: mar.tira
      identities like deers

      - What is this?
      1. vasek-3180 29 September 2011 22: 16 New
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        I repeat about fat and pigs ... wink
      2. Kail_seven 3 October 2011 16: 24 New
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        "Man, you are either not adequate or a troll." Your cep
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        mar.tira 4 October 2011 14: 41 New
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        You see my friend! If you have not been brought up as a patriot and internationalist of the entire Slavic world, if you have poured this hatred into your mother’s milk, or maybe the poison of hatred towards the Slav brothers, then it’s useless to explain WHAT IS IDENTITY. You won’t understand, because you are an outcast for us .If you are a Slav of course, and not a Cossack. And you most likely are a Cossack, it’s too painful for you to carry a stench, my friend !!!
    6. nickname bj
      nickname bj 30 September 2011 03: 23 New
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      I subscribe.
  16. fellow misha 29 September 2011 11: 17 New
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    In the 90s they said where Ukraine would go from Russia, it would be okay to crawl in a hungry fainting state - it will creep closer and bite more painfully
    1. Bogatir
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      Quote: comrade misha
      In the 90s they said where Ukraine would go from Russia, it would be okay to crawl in a hungry fainting state - it will creep closer and bite more painfully

      Yes, from Russia everyone runs away as they can.
      1. Sanzyro
        Sanzyro 30 September 2011 00: 51 New
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        Learn the story. Nobody pulled Ukraine by force. Georgia too. Armenia and Azeibardzhan were actually freed from the occupation. Who else is there?
        1. Bogatir
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          Yeah, and in the CES too ... - Rusisht - nafig-nafig ...
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        mostly sucked off
        especially whore
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        and the Chinese are on the tracks?
        seemingly hohlushki not escaped
  17. frame5 29 September 2011 11: 19 New
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    Kiev, in response to the gas ultimatum of Moscow, responded with military exercises


    What a horror.
  18. Dmitry T 29 September 2011 11: 20 New
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    -Give gas, otherwise we’ll crush BTR angry
    -Why do you need gas, armored troop-carriers ride on fuel ??? belay wink
    The main thing is that people do not quarrel. winked
  19. forma2 29 September 2011 11: 32 New
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    Yes, in general, any event is held at the expense of raising money from officers, military personnel and budgetary financing from funds earmarked for vaccination and social expenses (Breezes-SI, response, natipiracy, etc., etc.). friendly relations with the Great Neighbor and the status of the Russian language, and then continuous Bandera and the sworn kobzar with the covenant plus the anthem of death. Similarly, the state is more cunning. :))
  20. Motherland
    Motherland 29 September 2011 12: 28 New
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    I respect Ukraine, like some countries of the former USSR, when I didn’t write anything against it, it’s a pity that because of a quarrel between the authorities the people of the countries poison each other
    1. oper66
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      I do not think that the hero Zhora is the true representatives of Ukraine, they are provocateurs descendants of the traitors of the Ukrainian people whose ancestors were in the service of the Nazis Poles
  21. Sanzyro
    Sanzyro 29 September 2011 12: 44 New
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    Rjunimagu ... wink wink wink Well, who wrote the article ?? In all seriousness, though ... And they believe in it ???
  22. SIA
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    That's how it is with them.
  23. almost demobil 29 September 2011 16: 29 New
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    I grew up in Ukraine myself, went to school from there, I always went on vacation to my parents. And I always saw only adequate, nice people, even in some cases better than our Siberians. Does it surprise you where this garbage comes from, like a zhor. Zhora, or are you a Westerner?
    1. Skarte
      Skarte 29 September 2011 16: 35 New
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      Everyone and everything is missing everywhere (.... It won’t be so that adequate and sensible people would populate the whole earth ... this is utopia (
    2. Bogatir
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      better than our Siberians

      - And not only...
  24. PLO
    PLO 29 September 2011 17: 11 New
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    damn .. some -removed-gathered

    yes let them do the exercises whenever they want,

    themselves 10 years ago were in such an ass ...
  25. Bogatir
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    A selection of exercises:
    http://kotobood.livejournal.com/tag/Адекватная%20реакция
  26. Volkhov
    Volkhov 29 September 2011 18: 29 New
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    They will choose what is best and send to Africa "peacekeepers" in the exercises, otherwise the Foreign Legion has thinned out of the French, and Ukraine needs European citizenship.
    1. Bogatir
      Bogatir 29 September 2011 18: 43 New
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      Volkhov,
      Not to the banana republics.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muJAks90DYA&feature=player_embedded#at=212
      1. vasek-3180 29 September 2011 22: 19 New
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        merge there from where you crawled out - a bald-headed chukhan! winked
      2. Denis 4 October 2011 04: 07 New
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        banana prostitute, and Russia lived and lives, our business is like, besh all sorts of hohloshlyuh
        what stink, work on the track, there is wide and place
        1. Alexei 4 October 2011 06: 24 New
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          Well, why insult Ukraine? Or maybe the Bogatyrka is not from Ukraine at all, but, say, the radical Masha from near Tver. The thick ugly Masha, angry all over the world, sits on the Internet and throws off her negativity on the sore topics of relations between countries. Like we don’t grow anything, but on the contrary, we buy all products from abroad, from Ukraine too (good products) From what, let me ask, is it a banana?
  27. fedor
    fedor 29 September 2011 20: 30 New
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    This article is a pure provocation. There are no indicated forces allegedly participating in the exercises in Ukraine. And Lupakov, as an idiot, will die like that. He is so accustomed to spitting at him that he has long accepted them for state awards.
  28. URB
    URB 29 September 2011 21: 41 New
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    poison each other, poison .... the bottom of that, for what, without meaning ... these articles are written to incite hostility one(yes, we are from one test!) of the people. Politicians, because of their greed and greed, will do everything ... and many will fall for this bait and dance to their pipe! Can we start a war? To see how our parents and friends died and loved ones, so that children grow up in hunger? And so that vultures fly to this feast in the form of Western countries? Think with your own head and not what they write .... We should not go on about the authorities of our countries
    1. Sanzyro
      Sanzyro 29 September 2011 22: 05 New
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      You don’t need too much gloomy ... Anyway, every second one has relatives in Ukraine! And whipping up all this Nazi-paranoia is done exclusively by traps! And in real life, there are slightly different moods than those shown by the media. I don’t take Bender’s West ...
      1. URB
        URB 30 September 2011 02: 06 New
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        not all west bender smile
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          Sanzyro 1 October 2011 12: 07 New
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          Not all! And only 90%! repeat
  29. irony
    irony 29 September 2011 23: 08 New
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    Here I look and wonder. I dashed off some kind of deleted curse - do not understand the article about that. But with such a horseshoe as to hurt everyone you can. It seems that on "V.O." keep track of how and whom you can annoy. They are looking for a reason. That and look, soon calls will begin, such as: Give democracy! Give ... fucking knows ... revolution! And everyone so obediently starts barking among themselves that Professor Pavlov is recalled. Well, honestly, men - what kind of Russians may have claims to Ukrainians? Simple, but adequate (stupid word) Russians, to simple (adequate) Ukrainians. After all, we’re slamming the balance from the 91st.
    PS I am from Karelia. Guess which nationalities we have first in number? Belarusians and Ukrainians. Russians are in third place. Caucasians, now, are catching up with the truth.

    Yes. Bagatyr (the word, by the way, is Tatar tongue ) go to Tskhinval and blurt out something witty there, in your style, about 08.08.08. Especially about the occupation of Russia. That’s from the side to see what will be done to you. And mind you, right, what they’ll do. The little policeman.
    1. Denis 4 October 2011 03: 45 New
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      your guys in Kondopoga chock a little thinned, well done!
      1. Sobibor
        Sobibor 4 October 2011 04: 53 New
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        your guys in Kondopoga chock a little thinned, well done!,
        Is chock citizens of Russia? .. Chechens, Circassians, Dagestanis, Ingush Ossetians?

        You’re a strange nation - divide your citizens into “chocks” and “not chocks” grades. Okay, one thing when it comes to citizens of other powers, but those whom you call chocks were born in Russia and believe them their tribe lives on its territories for several thousand years more than yours. Or do you think that you are 100% descendants of the Slavs? The Mongol-Tatars left the lands of Russia only at the end of the 15th century, from the lands of Belarus and Ukraine - at the beginning of the 14th, millions of Finno-Ugrians lived in the territory from Moscow to Siberia - Meria, all, Moksha, Erzya ... Where did they share They mixed with several thousand Slavs who colonized Russian lands from Novgorod and Kiev.

        What are you better than those whom you call "chocks"? And why in this case other nations should not call you "lumps"? Don't you look like them in the eyes of the same Ukrainians?
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          I agree that the word "chocks" is not ice. Look at "Reconstruction of History", and then push it over the Tatars, Finno-Ugric peoples. I am mixed with Russian, Gypsy, Circassian, Estonian krovushki. You are all so interesting, everything rests against history. As for me , duck history is what my grandfather told about the Second World War, about life after the revolution. And what was before the 19 century - I know hell, and I advise you to proceed from what is.
        2. Denis 4 October 2011 08: 47 New
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          chocks are not according to skin color, and those who do not want to recognize the rules
          and for the squeals of white "go to your Russia" these creatures should answer
        3. oper66
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          it’s not respected, it’s strange in the eyes of the Ukrainians, but hto shoto I didn’t bach. I’ve got a garnish of bells and whistles. Bedyuzhatniki who’s like poor fools, you don’t understand the main chock, not an insult, but you’ve never heard how they call each other Adygeyan the Czech Republics have been friends together more than once, I’m his black-footed one, I’m white-legged on the beach by the sea and the asses of both are white under swimming trunks, don’t look for what you don’t understand, there are abusive words expressing emotions, but look around how bad these Czechs are to Czechs and Turks in general you can’t drive a kick back to the villages and auls not only that the women of the women do not want to go back to them since they only felt themselves here as citizens and not by the arrival of the imam
  30. Alexei 4 October 2011 11: 19 New
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    But the article is strange) Ukraine’s affairs are unimportant, but who does it have normal now? Citizens, what do you think about the price of gas supplied abroad?
    1. opium21 4 October 2011 17: 44 New
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      YES WHERE ALWAYS THERE A HALIWA THEM THERE IS ALSO THERE WISHING FOR A HALAW A HALAW HAVE LIKE SUGGESTED GAS ON ONE BMW AND IT ON OUR POWER ENGINEERS MADE
      1. Alexei 6 October 2011 07: 33 New
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        I heard that in 90's everything shook free of charge for them, but then a price tag was formed - they started to ache right away.