Kiev, in response to the gas ultimatum of Moscow, responded with military exercises

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Kiev, in response to the gas ultimatum of Moscow, responded with military exercises


Today, on the eve of the beginning of the heating season, Ukraine and Russia once again found themselves on the threshold of a war - the “gas” one. No matter how strange it may sound, such confrontations have already become traditional with the approach of cold, but if previously all issues were resolved in the framework of diplomatic negotiations (though today, for some such negotiations, former Prime Minister of Ukraine Yulia Tymoshenko may be behind bars), then the current confrontation in Kiev decided to respond with a demonstration of military power. It happened immediately after the completion in Crimea of ​​one of the stages of the research command and staff field exercises of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the ambiguous name “Adequate Response - 2011”.

Yevgeny Lupakov, captain of the 1st rank of the reserve and an active participant in the "Union of Officers of Ukraine", which became known in the early 90s for its ambiguous almost criminal actions in the division of the ships of the Black Sea fleet between Russia and Ukraine, in particular, said: “All exercises today are taking place in accordance with the combat training plan developed for the year. I cannot but admit that it is very good that these large-scale exercises take place simultaneously with events that demonstrate the aggression of Russia and not only in the gas issue, but also in many others. And these teachings will once again demonstrate to our fearless brothers, but in fact the invaders, that you should not flirt with us. After all, this was already in the question of Tuzla. Our guys prove that it is not worth playing with Ukraine. The Ukrainian military has something and what to defend. ”

First of all, who is Yevgeny Lupakov? In the 1992 year, being the deputy commander of the 14-th separate division of submarines of the Black Sea Fleet, Lupakov was one of the first officers to take the Ukrainian oath. From that moment on, he began to actively stir up his fellow soldiers. The case later almost ended in tragedy. Here is what Igor Leukhin, captain of the 1 rank, told the case at the time, while senior assistant commander of the diesel submarine B-871: “March 13 March 1992 by B-871 castle on ideological work with personnel V. Petrenko assembled sailors of Ukrainian nationality passing urgent service, and under no justified pretext took them to the submarine, moored at the floating pier in the South Bay. Upon arriving at the pier, Lt. Petrenko gave orders to Team Down and fired three red rockets from the rocket launcher. On this signal, Evgeny Lupakov arrived from the far shore of the bay. At the central post, using general ship liaison, he read the text of the state oath of allegiance to Ukraine. The signatures on a sheet prepared in advance were placed by Petrenko, as well as four officers and a sailor Makhno.

Properly assessing the situation, the bilge driver sailor A. Zaets and engineman sailor M. Abdullin, who were on duty, were sealed in the 4 compartment and threatened to stop the ventilation of the battery, which threatened to explode the gas mixture, asked to provide them with the commander or with the first mate.

About what happened, we with the commander learned directly from the sailors who were returning after dinner to the barracks. The commander sent me to the boat, he himself went to the team in order to clarify the situation and inform the connection commander. At the central post, I found Lupakov. At this moment, the navigator of the boat Art. Lieutenant Barinov read aloud the text of the Ukrainian oath. Seeing this, I immediately withdrew the logbook, reported on the illegality of their actions, and demanded that they immediately leave the warship. ”

In general, then the B-871 was able to defend, and today it is in the line-up of the Russian Black Sea Fleet called “Alrosa”. And Yevgeny Lupakov quickly fastened a trident to his cap and turned into an ardent Ukrainian patriot, in every step he discovered the machinations arranged by the Russian side.

But this story. Much more interesting is the current Ukrainian teachings themselves under the loud name "Adequate Response - 2011". The exercises are held simultaneously with the participation of the ground forces, naval forces and the air forces of Ukraine at 15 ranges with missile launches and live firing. In total, 9500 military personnel take part in training battles, more than 2300 units of military equipment and weapons, in particular, 33 of the ship, 40 aircraft, 31 helicopter, boats and support vessels. The Ukrainian military didn’t carry out anything larger for many years. The reason, however, is commonplace: lack of money. Now, obviously, there were.

But this is far from the case. As you know, the defense budget of Ukraine, for example, for 2010 was planned at the level of 13 billion hryvnia - in fact, the troops received only 9 billion. According to Ukrainian Defense Minister Mikhail Yezhel, for the primitive survival of the army in 2011, at least 19,8 billion is required. hryvnia But the budget allocated to all 13,6 billion

The results are as follows. According to the Center for Military-Political Studies, the combat effectiveness of the forces and means of the Ukrainian Navy today is only 7%. The only "naval" program of Ukraine to create its own corvette is frozen. The average hourly flying time of pilots in the Air Force is 30-40 times less than the criteria for NATO preparation require.

It is clear that there is no money in the Ukrainian army not only for training, but also for elementary maintenance of combat capability. It becomes unclear - what was the holding of such large-scale exercises against the background of complete impoverishment?
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  1. +2
    29 September 2011 08: 47
    They love to scare the naked hedgehog, they have such national fun
    1. ZHORA
      -35
      29 September 2011 09: 09
      Naked ass scare on the Pacific Fleet.

      Exercises in Kamchatka: missiles from the Varyag cruiser did not reach the target, military equipment stuck in the sand.

      http://nr2.ru/society/349713.html
      1. Scarte
        +7
        29 September 2011 09: 26
        dubious little article ... the photo is finally left, this armored personnel carrier is stuck, has been walking on the runet since the time of the dinosaurs
        1. +9
          29 September 2011 09: 42
          Jora, you're not there again.

          Read the news and on the other hand, you will not look silly.

          http://topwar.ru/7123-razberem-zheltyachok.html
          1. Scarte
            +3
            29 September 2011 10: 00
            I support Banshee
          2. Scarte
            0
            29 September 2011 10: 01
            I support Banshee
      2. 0
        29 September 2011 10: 17
        yet there is no zhor, disassemble the yolk ... lol
      3. 0
        29 September 2011 11: 07
        WERE YOU WERE THERE?
        1. MichaelVl
          +7
          29 September 2011 13: 48
          The now fashionable rapper "Noggano" has a song called "Fuck ... th pump, ZHORA, where have you been?!?!?" :)))))))) The one who heard this song should bring a smile :)))
        2. +3
          29 September 2011 17: 09
          Zhora knows by whose command to yap ... Do not stop him from working out the stew.
      4. +3
        29 September 2011 16: 10
        The day after the publication of the article of this freak who was not even at the exercises, an article was published by a person who was personally present at the exercises, exposed the author of the vile libel and argued that "everything is somewhat different."
      5. zczczc
        +4
        29 September 2011 16: 36
        ZHORA, oh Zhora, Zhora ...
        Do not read liberal newspapers in the morning!
      6. +1
        3 October 2011 06: 26
        Quote: JORA
        They’re scaring their asses in the Pacific Fleet. Teaching in Kamchatka: missiles from the Varyag cruiser didn’t reach the target, military equipment stuck in the sand .http: //nr2.ru/society/349713.html


        ZHORIK, you are a weak trololo ...
    2. ZHORA
      0
      29 September 2011 09: 10
      Naked ass scare on the Pacific Fleet.

      Exercises in Kamchatka: missiles from the Varyag cruiser did not reach the target, military equipment stuck in the sand.

      http://nr2.ru/society/349713.html
    3. 0
      29 September 2011 11: 15
      they will shower us with NATO clumps wink
      1. 0
        3 October 2011 15: 45
        They do not have NATO clumps, their own, they will not be enough to shower.
    4. Bogatir
      -10
      29 September 2011 17: 27
      A naked ass is when army exercises are already conducted on practicing for citizens.
      1. 0
        4 October 2011 04: 15
        citizen, I suspect that you are ok
    5. His
      +2
      1 October 2011 14: 58
      Remains of unsold property of the former great invincible Soviet Army
  2. Scarte
    +2
    29 September 2011 08: 56
    Just go and understand their logic: they don’t have money for gas, they don’t want to pay, constantly, something doesn’t suit them, but they found money for teaching and showing their power! Unapproved!
    1. Igor Vladimirovich
      +2
      29 September 2011 23: 27
      You are confusing something. It is difficult for the Ukrainian government to find the money that Gazprom wants. And the teachings of his army are carried out to maintain combat readiness, so to speak, so as not to feed someone else's. Well, will you argue that the exercises should be carried out only after the conclusion of the gas agreement. In this case, one does not relate to the other.
      1. Aleksey42
        +1
        4 October 2011 05: 53
        If I’m not mistaken, Ukraine raised the price of gas for itself by joining the WTO (such requirements).
  3. Scarte
    +6
    29 September 2011 09: 08
    these teachings will once again demonstrate to our fearless brothers, but in fact the invaders, that you should not flirt with us.

    Well, yes, we’ve got used to the fact that only we are to blame for all the troubles in the world ... We are invaders .... Yeah, the Turks and Poles who constantly slaughtered the Ukrainian population and seized its territory, are cute and fluffy and not occupiers at all, about the German generally silent.
    1. ZHORA
      -23
      29 September 2011 09: 12
      There, Ukrainians also slaughtered Poles and Turks as well, but after centuries, everyone recognized - without you it’s better.
      1. +2
        29 September 2011 09: 52
        You have mixed something up. These are Poles and Turks Little Russians cut out. And Russia is for Little Russians "signed" (from your president's slang).
        1. ZHORA
          -16
          29 September 2011 10: 12
          It is when? near Konotop? Led by Pozharsky?

          “The color of the Moscow cavalry, having left the happy campaigns of 1654 and 1655, died in one day, and already after that the Tsar of Moscow could not lead such a brilliant army into the field. Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich went to the people in mourning clothes and terror swept Moscow ... "

          http://www.day.kiev.ua/21340/
          1. 0
            29 September 2011 11: 10
            Yes it hahly thought out!
          2. +9
            29 September 2011 11: 14
            Regarding Konotop, I don't see much reason for pride, because The "color of Moscow cavalry" was defeated by the Crimean Tatars, who constituted the main striking force of the united Zaporozhye-Polish-Tatar army, the battle itself was just one of many 13-year-old Polish-Russian (the key word is Polish) war. As for the main "hero" of this battle, Hetman Vyhovsky, it is difficult to find a more muddy, unprincipled and frankly despicable character in Ukrainian history. With enviable ease, he swore allegiance and immediately betrayed everyone, the Russian Tsar, the Crimean Khan, and the Polish King, for which, by the way, the Poles themselves later shot him like a mangy dog. And this figure shed much more Ukrainian blood than Russian, unleashing a civil war. And on the contrary, the Russian voivode Semyon Pozharsky, who was captured at Konotop, behaved like a man, spitting in the face of the Tatars who had captured him and accepted the death of a warrior and an honest man.
          3. +1
            29 September 2011 17: 13
            ZHORA, you are wooden to the waist and you can only be convinced (!) By dubov!
          4. Dovmont
            -1
            29 September 2011 20: 00
            A lot of pathos and pathos, but what is the essence? the battle was between Polish and Russian troops, and Zaporizhzhya Cossacks were caught by Polish magnates.
            1. +1
              3 October 2011 15: 57
              There were no Poles. Your CEP.
          5. +1
            3 October 2011 15: 54
            Yeah, and how did it end for Vygovsky too?
        2. 0
          3 October 2011 15: 50
          You confuse this, then it was still one people, and signed only when the Poles have already raked from the Ukrainians with the Tatars.
      2. -1
        29 September 2011 10: 25
        Ukrainians can cut salsa from pigs ... wink
        1. Bogatir
          -5
          29 September 2011 17: 29
          At the Horde sheep.
      3. 0
        4 October 2011 03: 53
        who cut it?
        Ukrainians sucked on a hassle
        and then they screamed about "greatness"
      4. Aleksey42
        +1
        4 October 2011 05: 55
        But what about the Pereslavl Rada? "Forever with Russia" ?! Or do you forget the precepts of your ancestors?
  4. +3
    29 September 2011 09: 10
    Kiev, in response to the gas ultimatum of Moscow, responded with military exercises

    After which, in Europe, they began to decrease in the main indices,
    1. Bogatir
      -4
      29 September 2011 17: 31
      After which Europe began mass audits of Gazprom offices. Before this, everyone filed lawsuits against Russia. And Turkey today said - if there is no reduction in gas prices, there will be - a break in contracts.
      1. oper66
        0
        3 October 2011 16: 59
        yes break contracts even Turks, at least Ukraine from Poland — go through the bazaar, maybe even where you buy cheaper than Russia, it doesn’t matter if the northern stream works, and you’re drowning with flat cakes or coal of success in the revision of Gazprom’s offices
      2. oper66
        0
        3 October 2011 17: 28
        Earlier, Ankara has already announced its desire to adjust the price of gas imported from the Russian Federation, but the parties have not come to an agreement. In March, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan met with no positive results. Last week, the Turkish Energy Minister already spoke about the possibility of refusing to extend the contract. At the same time, Yildiz said that other agreements with Russia on the supply of natural gas through other transport corridors remain in force. According to him, 3-4 agreements have been concluded with Russia, one will not be extended and "it will not cause problems." The private sector, which carries out part of the purchases of natural gas, if it wants, can negotiate with Russia itself, and the state "does not want to do this anymore." Almost simultaneously with the statement of the Turkish Energy Minister, since October 1, 2011, the Turkish company Botas has increased prices for "blue fuel" for the country's population by 12,28% - 14,35%. And for industrial enterprises, the cost has increased by 13,70% - 14,30%. The Turkish company attributed this increase in natural gas prices to the worldwide increase in the cost of hydrocarbons, as well as the weakening of the Turkish national currency, the lira, Reuters reported. It should be noted that before the Turkish statement, on Tuesday and Wednesday, large-scale searches were carried out in 10 European countries at once in the offices of companies associated with Gazprom. One of the reasons for such actions is that oil has risen in price, and according to long-term contracts of the Russian state monopoly with consumers, now, following the "black gold", natural gas should also rise in price. These actions were related to the investigation of potential "anticompetitive practices" in the sphere of Russian gas supplies to the countries of Central and Eastern Europe. In a statement, the European Commission said that such actions do not automatically mean the guilt of these companies.
        read down the ultimatum, but I heard a ringing and only ringing and stayed in your dummy and even so that you would know that 64% of the Turkish industry depends on Russian gas so sorry for the Turks if they obey you imbalanced oligophrenic
  5. Superduck
    +6
    29 September 2011 09: 30
    shit note, sorry, half the text about the submarine, the ultimatum of the Russian Federation wasn’t, and the exercises were 3 weeks ago and actually nothing about them.
    1. +11
      29 September 2011 09: 46
      Definitely a shit!
      Exercises are teachings, gas issues are another topic.
      And here the submarine is generally incomprehensible.

      In short, the dumbest provocation, the most important thing is the heading, and the rest is painted purely for the list.

      The teachings were good. This is the work of MO. Gas issues will settle the other instances. And an idiot lupakovym should deal with the third.

      Do not mix everything in one pile.
      1. Bogatir
        -7
        29 September 2011 17: 32
        Quote: Banshee
        In short, the dumbest provocation, the most important thing is the heading, and the rest is painted purely for the list.

        - Especially in the scenarios in the Ukrainian Crimea.
    2. Bogatir
      -5
      29 September 2011 17: 31
      Landing during the exercises - in the Crimea ironed ...
    3. Marat
      +3
      30 September 2011 00: 33
      I support SuperDuck and Banshee! Again a provocative article! I can’t understand what the fuck. Who needs this? Just as ordered by pendosov

      Your banshee suspicions may turn out to be a reality
  6. 0
    29 September 2011 09: 47
    scare? Wai, I’m, I’m afraid! if only they wouldn’t shoot at passenger planes, otherwise they like
    1. alex_97597
      -5
      29 September 2011 15: 44
      sliw a ruskaia army i ukrainsakaia 4em otli4aetsia? A ne4em ebalo sakroi moskal nedodelanii
      1. -2
        29 September 2011 16: 16
        Well, would I have already written on my ridiculous surzhik, or ashamed?
      2. +1
        29 September 2011 17: 16
        Phi! Alex, take a napkin - saliva is flying ...
    2. Bogatir
      -9
      29 September 2011 17: 33
      Quote: Denis
      Wai, I’m, I’m afraid!

      - That's right, it’s not Chechnya that you didn’t defeat ...
      1. +1
        4 October 2011 05: 36
        Well, have you lost something?
  7. +6
    29 September 2011 09: 54
    I agree. The article is not about anything. Well do the exercises. Let them spend it. And here is the gas. Why mix?
    What demonstration of power is there? She is not there. Yes and nafik who needs them.
  8. Scarte
    0
    29 September 2011 10: 02
    distraction of people from other problems
  9. Ion coaelung
    +1
    29 September 2011 10: 05
    My grandmother said the saying: Where the crest went, the Jew has nothing to do. And so they all stolen, UKRali, all that was left of the union ... But there is nothing of their own, only a couple of modifications of the old weapons, and then probably the same with the designed union. And what will you do? BTRami what's in the picture? :)
    1. +1
      29 September 2011 10: 20
      when a crest was born, a Jew cried for three days ... wink
      1. mar.tira
        -2
        4 October 2011 14: 44
        Do you even know the origin of the word "crest"!
    2. +1
      3 October 2011 16: 17
      But it seems to me that our defense industry would not mind getting hold of:
      Motor-Sich OJSC: manufacturing and repair of aircraft engines
      GP NPK Zorya-Mashproekt: development and production of gas turbines, including for air-cushion landing craft
      ANTK them. Antonova: aircraft development, production of units
      SE "Plant them. Malysheva ": tank production, diesel generators
      GAHK "Artem": production of aviation weapons, air-to-air missiles
      KhGAPP: production of An-74, An-140 aircraft
      Zaporizhzhya Machine-Building Design Bureau named after Ivchenko: development of aircraft engines
      Sevmorzavod OJSC: shipbuilding, submarine repair
      State Enterprise "Machine-Building Plant" FED: production of hydraulic units for aircraft systems
      State Enterprise "Plant" Arsenal ": Optical and Optoelectronic Systems
      GAHK "Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant": destroyers, cruisers, aircraft carriers
      Novator software: production of radar fragments for combat aircraft
      State-owned electric machine-building plant Iskra: production of ground-based radar systems
      Fotopribor: optical and optoelectronic systems
      OJSC "Kiev factory" Radar ": radar and navigation equipment
      Zhuliansky machine-building plant "Vizar": production of fragments of missiles for air defense systems
      Shipbuilding company More: frigates, combat boats and small landing ships
      Shipyard "Lenin's Forge": small anti-submarine ships (corvettes)
      HCBM named after Morozova: the creation and modernization of armored vehicles
      SE “Shipbuilding Plant named after 61 Communards ”, etc. or don't you think so?
      1. Bogatir
        -9
        3 October 2011 21: 24
        You can still add, but the essence will not change - the banana republic of Russia can not see the above. In Russia there is nothing and never will be.
        1. +1
          4 October 2011 05: 51
          In fact, in Russia there is a flurry of underground airfields, secret bases, where the equipment is at least for scrap. It rusts slowly - apparently there is a bigger weapon in the arsenal, and this is a trifle to cut a trifle)
        2. Aleksey42
          0
          4 October 2011 06: 02
          You will not believe the Russian economy does not depend on world prices for bananas wink
      2. Aleksey42
        +2
        4 October 2011 06: 01
        I think that if it were not for the frenzied Ukrainian false patriots, then full cooperation has long been established.
  10. mga04
    +8
    29 September 2011 10: 27
    The article is another shit blooper. Well, itching to some type of patriots. On October 3, exercises with the participation of Russian paratroopers begin on Shirokoye Lana near Nikolaev. Another Sergei Voznesensky will write something like: "Ukraine is working out opposition to the Russian landing"
  11. Kudrev
    0
    29 September 2011 10: 49
    Why is it so obsessed with Moscow Jews? Ukraine does not conduct exercises - it’s bad, we are ruining the army. Ukraine conducts exercises - again it’s bad, it’s necessary, and they took the money somewhere, and somehow called it wrong, and in general. You already decide there somehow. And then something needs to be decided on their own: Poverty of citizens, total alcoholism and drug addiction threaten the national security of Russia.
  12. MichaelVl
    +13
    29 September 2011 10: 50
    In the same way, I can write an article about how "In response to the dispute over gas with Ukraine, the Russian Federation responded with military exercises" Union Shield-2011 ", or" Russia launched the latest 5th generation missile in response to the gas war with Ukraine " :))))))))))) That's for sure "author zhzhot" :))))))

    It is very pleasant that the people who appear on this site adequately relate to such articles (not counting the ZHORA, of course, and Kudrev is still offended by Russia)!

    Although, the statements of "Ukrainian captain Yevgeny Lupakov" attract attention. The Ukrainian garny boy got caught up in the exercises :)
    1. +3
      29 September 2011 16: 18
      Yes, Zhora is a provocateur, here is another hero of the same kind.
    2. Bogatir
      -6
      29 September 2011 17: 35
      Quote: MichaelVl
      Ukrainian garny clap got to the exercises

      - Reward!
      1. +1
        4 October 2011 08: 38
        better as a bender
        need Pavel Sudoplatov
  13. Anatoly
    +3
    29 September 2011 11: 00
    "Kiev decided to respond with a demonstration of military might" sounds very funny.
    And in the place of active armor of the tanks - pieces of bacon hang!
    1. gans
      +1
      29 September 2011 17: 01
      and on the gun, sausages are hung
      1. Bogatir
        -5
        29 September 2011 17: 36
        Yes, not T-55 on the Far East and T-72 to replace the T-90.
        1. 0
          29 September 2011 17: 52
          Do not tell people down! winked
          1. Bogatir
            -4
            29 September 2011 17: 57
            Quote: vasek-3180
            Do not tell people down!

            - I and I have no common genes ... laughing
            1. +1
              29 September 2011 22: 12
              so I'm very glad not! otherwise I would have to shoot myself! wink
              1. Bogatir
                -1
                3 October 2011 21: 25
                Yes, Ugric genes are far from eugenics.
            2. oper66
              +2
              3 October 2011 17: 04
              so who are you relatives here? down you alone f zhorik imbitsil here are a couple of idiots
              1. Bogatir
                -3
                3 October 2011 21: 26
                These idiots are Russians - whom everyone in the world does not like.
      2. +2
        3 October 2011 16: 20
        Yeah and a drunk crest behind the leverage, facepalm. Wake up.
  14. Splin
    +15
    29 September 2011 11: 01
    Sorry, but zee ... such articles. After the army, I rarely swear, but now this is the case. These exercises were planned back in February, when cash infusions into the army became known. The scale of such exercises, I remember the last time about 10 years ago .. It's like in the Soviet Union to raise 150 thousand for exercises at the same time. Some kind of goat from the SDU was taken as an example. We cannot tolerate this "Union of Officers". Such as he and the author of such an article, everywhere the gas appears. 2 Russian presidents and one Ukrainian have already decided everything on gas, but someone is in the ass
    Who has served knows that the teachings are conducted mainly in the fall. Many were indignant at us, they say there was no parade on May 9 and on Independence Day.
    So it's better to use money for work than for show. And you know what the military's job is. Based on the results of these exercises, a new defense doctrine will be carried out. And no one was going to frighten the neighbors. What nonsense. That the Russian paratroopers on Shirokiy Lan together with the Belarusians flew in and "jump on three" this pid ... did not indicate the article. And the Ukrainian airborne troops in the Moscow region are also flying with parachutes.
    1. Bogatir
      -5
      29 September 2011 17: 41
      Quote: Splin
      years 10 ago

      - Like yes.
      Quote: Splin
      So it’s better to put up money for work than for show.

      - Window dressing is now in Russia. With the development of force in the population and the confirmation that Russia cannot fight on two fronts.
      1. Splin
        0
        29 September 2011 18: 06
        10 years. I then got to the hospital, lying on the dismissal. And they began to cook equipment from April to autumn.
        1. Bogatir
          -5
          29 September 2011 18: 20
          Yes - such a scale. In Russian and Romanian.
      2. anb_
        0
        31 October 2011 05: 00
        It can be seen as Ukraine, now with Russia, then with Europepa flirting on two fronts))
  15. mar.tira
    +17
    29 September 2011 11: 02
    Well, what's the catch? I’m a Ukrainian myself. And I see all these ideological tricks right through. A Ukrainian will never go to Russian no matter how hard it would be, so is Russian, because it is tantamount to raising a hand to relatives in spirit and people's faith And this already threatens to destroy rulers share our identity as Rosichi, and thieves share the gas, and much more. Each tries to grab as much as possible, at the expense of the other, and into his own money. People will get little, at least from Gazprom, even from Naftogaz.
    1. +2
      29 September 2011 14: 40
      Correctly. You can’t allow the situation as in the saying:
      Panas are fighting and at lackeys forelocks are cracking.
      1. Bogatir
        -5
        29 September 2011 17: 45
        Quote: vlbelugin
        Correctly. You can’t allow the situation as in the saying: Panas are fighting and at lackeys forelocks are cracking.

        “Whoever comes to us with a sword will die from him.”
    2. Scarte
      0
      29 September 2011 16: 06
      In-in, but for some reason, discord is kindled .... apparently, so that the people are busy with others and not be indignant when bureaucrats divide the "people's good"!
      1. Bogatir
        -8
        29 September 2011 17: 47
        Not in Ukraine, Russia is in the top of enemies, but vice versa. And it was not Ukraine that built dams, it occupied the lighthouses, organized the provocations on May 9th ...
    3. 0
      29 September 2011 16: 20
      Yes it is, dear. But the facts, the facts.
    4. -1
      29 September 2011 17: 19
      Unfortunately, my friend, not everyone thinks so. An example is 08,08,08!
      1. Bogatir
        -12
        29 September 2011 17: 48
        Quote: esaul
        Unfortunately, my friend, not everyone thinks so. An example is 08,08,08!

        - A true example of a violation of international law by Russia and the occupation of Georgia.
        1. 0
          3 October 2011 18: 47
          Hero, "Well, you're stupid ...!"
          1. Bogatir
            -6
            3 October 2011 21: 28
            Stupid without history - looking for relatives in the myths of lies of the "Russian world".
            1. -2
              3 October 2011 21: 52
              Yesaul correctly, he himself agrees; you see how he said about himself and there are none of his own like that, so they are looking for someone else in our history
    5. Bogatir
      -11
      29 September 2011 17: 44
      Quote: mar.tira
      Ukrainian will never go to Russian

      - If a Russian climbs to Tuzla, or as it was to the Ternopil forest, they will cut not worse than the Chechens. That, too, was already.
      Quote: mar.tira
      identities like deers

      - What is this?
      1. 0
        29 September 2011 22: 16
        I repeat about fat and pigs ... wink
      2. +1
        3 October 2011 16: 24
        "Man, you are either not adequate or a troll." Your CEP
      3. The comment was deleted.
      4. mar.tira
        0
        4 October 2011 14: 41
        You see my friend! If you have not been brought up as a patriot and internationalist of the entire Slavic world, if you have poured this hatred into your mother’s milk, or maybe the poison of hatred towards the Slav brothers, then it’s useless to explain WHAT IS IDENTITY. You won’t understand, because you are an outcast for us .If you are a Slav of course, and not a Cossack. And you most likely are a Cossack, it’s too painful for you to carry a stench, my friend !!!
    6. nickname bj
      +1
      30 September 2011 03: 23
      I subscribe.
  16. +2
    29 September 2011 11: 17
    In the 90s they said where Ukraine would go from Russia, it would be okay to crawl in a hungry fainting state - it will creep closer and bite more painfully
    1. Bogatir
      -10
      29 September 2011 17: 49
      Quote: comrade Misha
      In the 90s they said where Ukraine would go from Russia, it would be okay to crawl in a hungry fainting state - it will creep closer and bite more painfully

      Yes, from Russia everyone runs away as they can.
      1. Sanzyro
        0
        30 September 2011 00: 51
        Learn the story. Nobody pulled Ukraine by force. Georgia too. Armenia and Azeibardzhan were actually freed from the occupation. Who else is there?
        1. Bogatir
          -2
          3 October 2011 21: 29
          Yeah, and in the CES too ... - Rusisht - nafig-nafig ...
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      3. +1
        4 October 2011 04: 13
        mostly sucked off
        especially whore
      4. 0
        4 October 2011 08: 41
        and the Chinese are on the tracks?
        seemingly hohlushki not escaped
  17. 0
    29 September 2011 11: 19
    Kiev, in response to the gas ultimatum of Moscow, responded with military exercises


    What a horror.
  18. +4
    29 September 2011 11: 20
    -Give gas, otherwise we’ll crush BTR angry
    -Why do you need gas, armored troop-carriers ride on fuel ??? belay wink
    The main thing is that people do not quarrel. winked
  19. +2
    29 September 2011 11: 32
    Yes, in general, any event is held at the expense of raising money from officers, military personnel and budgetary financing from funds earmarked for vaccination and social expenses (Breezes-SI, response, natipiracy, etc., etc.). friendly relations with the Great Neighbor and the status of the Russian language, and then continuous Bandera and the sworn kobzar with the covenant plus the anthem of death. Similarly, the state is more cunning. :))
  20. Motherland
    +3
    29 September 2011 12: 28
    I respect Ukraine, like some countries of the former USSR, when I didn’t write anything against it, it’s a pity that because of a quarrel between the authorities the people of the countries poison each other
    1. oper66
      +1
      3 October 2011 17: 14
      I do not think that the hero Zhora is the true representatives of Ukraine, they are provocateurs descendants of the traitors of the Ukrainian people whose ancestors were in the service of the Nazis Poles
  21. Sanzyro
    +2
    29 September 2011 12: 44
    Rjunimagu ... wink wink wink Well, who wrote the article ?? In all seriousness, though ... And they believe in it ???
  22. SIA
    SIA
    0
    29 September 2011 13: 41

    That's how it is with them.
  23. +5
    29 September 2011 16: 29
    I grew up in Ukraine myself, went to school from there, I always went on vacation to my parents. And I always saw only adequate, nice people, even in some cases better than our Siberians. Does it surprise you where this garbage comes from, like a zhor. Zhora, or are you a Westerner?
    1. Scarte
      0
      29 September 2011 16: 35
      Everyone and everything is missing everywhere (.... It won’t be so that adequate and sensible people would populate the whole earth ... this is utopia (
    2. Bogatir
      -8
      29 September 2011 17: 50
      Quote: almost demobilized
      better than our Siberians

      - And not only...
  24. PLO
    0
    29 September 2011 17: 11
    damn .. some -removed-gathered

    yes let them do the exercises whenever they want,

    themselves 10 years ago were in such an ass ...
  25. Bogatir
    -6
    29 September 2011 17: 52
    A selection of exercises:
    http://kotobood.livejournal.com/tag/Адекватная%20реакция
  26. Volkhov
    +1
    29 September 2011 18: 29
    During the exercises, they will choose what is better and send them to Africa as "peacekeepers", otherwise the French Foreign Legion has thinned out, and Ukraine needs European citizenship.
    1. Bogatir
      -7
      29 September 2011 18: 43
      Volkhov,
      Not to the banana republics.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muJAks90DYA&feature=player_embedded#at=212
      1. +1
        29 September 2011 22: 19
        merge there from where you crawled out - a bald-headed chukhan! winked
      2. -3
        4 October 2011 04: 07
        banana prostitute, and Russia lived and lives, our business is like, besh all sorts of hohloshlyuh
        what stink, work on the track, there is wide and place
        1. +2
          4 October 2011 06: 24
          Well, why insult Ukraine? Or maybe the Bogatyrka is not from Ukraine at all, but, say, the radical Masha from near Tver. The thick ugly Masha, angry all over the world, sits on the Internet and throws off her negativity on the sore topics of relations between countries. Like we don’t grow anything, but on the contrary, we buy all products from abroad, from Ukraine too (good products) From what, let me ask, is it a banana?
  27. fedora
    +4
    29 September 2011 20: 30
    This article is a pure provocation. The indicated forces, allegedly participating in the exercises, are not in Ukraine. And Lupakov, as he was an idiot, will die like that. He is so used to "spitting" in his address that he has long taken them for state awards.
  28. URB
    URB
    +3
    29 September 2011 21: 41
    poison each other, poison .... the bottom of that, for what, without meaning ... these articles are written to incite hostility one(yes, we are from one test!) of the people. Politicians, because of their greed and greed, will do everything ... and many will fall for this bait and dance to their pipe! Can we start a war? To see how our parents and friends died and loved ones, so that children grow up in hunger? And so that vultures fly to this feast in the form of Western countries? Think with your own head and not what they write .... We should not go on about the authorities of our countries
    1. Sanzyro
      +4
      29 September 2011 22: 05
      You don’t need too much gloomy ... Anyway, every second one has relatives in Ukraine! And whipping up all this Nazi-paranoia is done exclusively by traps! And in real life, there are slightly different moods than those shown by the media. I don’t take Bender’s West ...
      1. URB
        URB
        0
        30 September 2011 02: 06
        not all west bender smile
        1. Sanzyro
          0
          1 October 2011 12: 07
          Not all! And only 90%! feel
  29. irony
    +2
    29 September 2011 23: 08
    Here I look and wonder. I dashed off some kind of curse-removed - an article, do not understand about what. But with such a knack to hurt everyone you can. It seems that on "V.O." track who and how to provoke. They are looking for a reason. Just look, calls will begin soon, like: Give me democracy! Give me a ... fucking ... revolution! And everyone begins to bark so obediently among themselves that Professor Pavlov is remembered. Well, honestly, guys - what kind of pretensions can Russians have towards Ukrainians? Simple but adequate (stupid word) Russians, to simple (adequate) Ukrainians. We have been slurping one gruel since the 91st.
    PS I am from Karelia. Guess which nationalities we have first in number? Belarusians and Ukrainians. Russians are in third place. Caucasians, now, are catching up with the truth.

    Yes. Bagatyr (the word, by the way, is Tatar tongue ) go to Tskhinval and blurt out something witty there, in your style, about 08.08.08. Especially about the occupation of Russia. That’s from the side to see what will be done to you. And mind you, right, what they’ll do. The little policeman.
    1. +1
      4 October 2011 03: 45
      your guys in Kondopoga chock a little thinned, well done!
      1. Sobibor
        -2
        4 October 2011 04: 53
        your guys in Kondopoga chock a little thinned, well done!,
        Is chock citizens of Russia? .. Chechens, Circassians, Dagestanis, Ingush Ossetians?

        You are a strange folk - divide your citizens into "chocks" and "not chocks" varieties. Okay, it's one thing when it comes to citizens of other powers, but those whom you call chocks were born in Russia and believe me their tribe lives in their territories for several thousand years more than yours. Or do you think that you are 100% descendants of the Slavs? Mongolo-Tatars left the lands of Russia only at the end of the 15th century, from the lands of Belarus and Ukraine - at the beginning of the 14th, millions of Fino-Ugrians lived on the territory from Moscow to Siberia - Merya, all, Moksha, Erzya ... did they go? They mixed with several thousand Slavs who colonized Russian lands from Novgorod and Kiev.

        How are you better than those whom you call "lumps"? And why, in this case, other peoples should not call you "lumps"? Aren't you like them in the eyes of those same Ukrainians?
        1. +1
          4 October 2011 06: 49
          I agree that the word "lumps" is not ice. Look "Reconstruction of History", and then push about the Tatars, the Finno-Ugric peoples. There is a mixture of Russian, Gypsy, Circassian, Estonian krovushki in me. You are all so interesting, everything rests against history. , so the story is what my grandfather told about the Second World War, about life after the revolution. And what is before the 19th century - I know hell, and I advise you to proceed from what is.
        2. +2
          4 October 2011 08: 47
          chocks are not according to skin color, and those who do not want to recognize the rules
          and for the screeching white "go to your Russia" these creatures should answer
        3. oper66
          +1
          4 October 2011 14: 12
          it’s not respected, it’s strange in the eyes of the Ukrainians, but hto shoto I didn’t bach. I’ve got a garnish of bells and whistles. Bedyuzhatniki who’s like poor fools, you don’t understand the main chock, not an insult, but you’ve never heard how they call each other Adygeyan the Czech Republics have been friends together more than once, I’m his black-footed one, I’m white-legged on the beach by the sea and the asses of both are white under swimming trunks, don’t look for what you don’t understand, there are abusive words expressing emotions, but look around how bad these Czechs are to Czechs and Turks in general you can’t drive a kick back to the villages and auls not only that the women of the women do not want to go back to them since they only felt themselves here as citizens and not by the arrival of the imam
  30. +1
    4 October 2011 11: 19
    But the article is strange) Ukraine’s affairs are unimportant, but who does it have normal now? Citizens, what do you think about the price of gas supplied abroad?
    1. 0
      4 October 2011 17: 44
      YES WHERE ALWAYS THERE A HALIWA THEM THERE IS ALSO THERE WISHING FOR A HALAW A HALAW HAVE LIKE SUGGESTED GAS ON ONE BMW AND IT ON OUR POWER ENGINEERS MADE
      1. +1
        6 October 2011 07: 33
        I heard that in 90's everything shook free of charge for them, but then a price tag was formed - they started to ache right away.

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