ASV 8 × 8 from Cadillac Gage. Shock and awe on eight wheels

Not so long ago, the press leaked photos of a new armored vehicle from the company Cadillac Gage. There is almost no information on this sample, since this is a purely experimental machine. Some experts believe that this is the BTR of the future. Others argue that this is a special armored car for peacekeeping, police operations. ASV 8 × 8 is a further development of the MRAP line.

I agree with the second assumption. For this monster, and the photo shows that not the smallest American cars, against the background of this sample seem like a small car, there is nothing to do on the battlefield saturated with modern anti-tank weapons. But against an opponent who has weapons Only the Kalashnikov assault rifle and the RPG-7 ASV 8 × 8 are quite suitable. Such a mountain of iron will cause shock and awe in any inhabitant of the third world.

While I was preparing this post I had a controversy with andrei_bt on the issue of the BTR-4. Which for some reason is considered the newest development that will surprise the whole world. After my questions about the novelty of the BTR-4, there were no clear answers, but a friend and a ban followed. Well, God is with him, this gentleman has become less of a regular reader. Can continue to sit in his hut and show a figure Moskal.

But the question remains. In my opinion, as a person who saw the BTR-70, 80 is not in the pictures, the BTR-4 is a deep modernization of the Soviet BTR-80. With the same success, the BTR-82 can be called the latest development.

In the course of the controversy, some differences between the BTR-4 and BTR-80 were formulated. Here they are: automatic transmission, remote battle module, aft output, full combat weight - 26 t. It is difficult to call these changes significant. After all, even the dimensions, in addition to height, of the BTR-4 are the same as the BTR-80.

Significant changes are: changes in the layout of the engine-tracing compartment, changes in the wheel formula, the new suspension, the new armored case of modular, composite armor. All this with the BTR-4 did not happen.

Yes, the Ukrainian designers carried out a VERY successful modernization of the BTR-80, but no more. Many of the shortcomings they managed to fix. In particular, it was already high time to switch to a stern ramp, instead of side hatches. But to get a new BTR, you need to re-develop the armored hull and a lot more. And it costs a lot of money.

Comments

[hz123]

What is the article about the amer or the dispute about armored personnel carrier 3? rave

[tronin.maxim]

Some kind of hippo!

[kocclissi]

American dream ..... also 8x8))

[Mister X]

Some experts believe that this is the BTR of the future.
Others argue that this is a special armored car for peacekeeping, police operations.
ASV 8 × 8 is a further development of the MRAP line.
Unknown author of the article.

I decided to compare ASV 8 × 8 from Cadillac Gage and KAMAZ-63968 “Typhoon”.
Do not find that they are one class?

[Ramzaj99]

Quote: Mister X

I decided to compare the ASV 8 × 8 from the Cadillac Gage and KAMAZ-63968 Typhoon. Do not you find that they are of the same class?

I wanted to write the same thing))))))
Where is the author of MONSTER seen ?? The size of a Typhoon, the reservation for navryatli is very different, and in terms of Typhoon it will be even more comfortable.

[Mister X]

Quote: Ramzaj99

Where is the author MONSTERA saw ??

I believe that this term, like the title of the article, is used to intrigue and attract the attention of the reader.
Remember how the movies show the boys who sell newspapers on the street?
There is a joke on this topic:

A boy is running down the street, selling newspapers and shouting:
- Grand scam !!! Grand scam: 50 man cheated !!!
- An intrigued man runs up to him and buys a newspaper, but does not find anything interesting in it.
Just going to break the boy, and he runs on and yells:
-Grand scam !!! 51 the man is deceived ...

[Mister X]

By the way, I have not heard about Cadillac Gage products for a long time and decided to rummage in the internet.
It turns out that in 1994, the campaign was reorganized and renamed to Textron Marine & Land Systems.
Such are the nuances ...

[poquello]

I decided to compare ASV 8 × 8 from Cadillac Gage and KAMAZ-63968 “Typhoon”.
Do not find that they are one class?

so more suitable for the picture in the article
http://www.zr.ru/content/articles/678366-broneavtomobili-tajfun-sdelaj-ku/

[SSeT]

The exact same associations! How made with one TK! Do not find?

[Gans1234]

Navoi handsome - hefty bandurin

[Bayonet]

It looks like a very well-armored car, a kind of fort on wheels!

[Bongo]

Yes, Ukrainian designers carried out a VERY successful modernization of the BTR-80, but nothing more.

- the author writes this about the Ukrainian BTR-4 (pictured) After reading - he began to laugh.

[activator]

Quote: Bongo

- the author writes this about the Ukrainian BTR-4 (pictured) Having read it, he began to laugh.

But I would still like to know what made you so amused?

[just exp]

it was also necessary to make glass windows from the side, from where from the bottom to the top, as in penthouses, windows over the entire wall. Well this is so in European.
and, yes, there aren’t enough curtains on the windows of this armored personnel carrier, and there’s no ficus on the windowsill.
if yelling about bulletproof glass begins, then let me remind you that this is an armored personnel carrier, and not an collector car.

[poquello]

Quote: Bongo

Yes, Ukrainian designers carried out a VERY successful modernization of the BTR-80, but nothing more.

- the author writes this about the Ukrainian BTR-4 (pictured) After reading - he began to laugh.

again tavria turned

[hoshinokoe]

"file after assembly."

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Bongo

- the author writes this about the Ukrainian BTR-4 (pictured) .....

If the author wrote about the Ukrainian BTR-3, then a lot could be agreed with him: with our BTR-70-80 one field is a berry.
But the BTR-4 has little in common with ours.

[just exp]

here only one kind of combat module rzhach causes, and about windows it is generally lol.
but the Iraqis bought it, though not for long, and because of the marriage, the remaining APCs refused to accept.

[activator]

Quote: just explo

here only one kind of combat module rzhach causes,

Quote: just explo

here only one kind of combat module rzhach causes,

Four modules in the photo (thunder) and stand (sail). I didn’t see the thunder except on the photos on fours.

Quote: just explo

And about windows it is generally lol

Watch btr 82

Quote: just explo

if yelling about bulletproof glass starts, I’ll remind you that this is an armored personnel carrier,

For information bulletproof glass on armored vehicles 4 are closed with armored plates they can be seen with the naked eye about the fact that this armored personnel carrier is again watching armored personnel carrier 82

[yehat]

I'm not special in armored vehicles, although I know quite a few designs and their features
but, looking at the BTR-4, I personally had a feeling: something is wrong here!
for example, the first thing that comes to mind is that the car is overweight, the center of gravity is shifted up, and stability, especially in corners, will be worse. Patency also decreased.
Thus, the mobility of the machine is comprehensively reduced - for what?

[hoshinokoe]

Che flotation reduced? Based on what statement?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: hoshinokoe

Che flotation reduced? Based on what statement?

BTR-82 (Russia) and BTR-4 (Ukraine)
The size of the wheels (in other words, the area of ​​the supporting surface) is the same.
Weight BTR-82 - 15 tons
Weight BTR-4 - 22 tons

[Olegmog]

Healthy devil! Vidok is awesome!

[Far Republican]

YES for police operations itself, and even if the composite and active armor even in the explosives come off. Minus significant weight decreases mobility, as well as patency on dry, soddy soils, roads of the ground and other surfaces will go, it’s clear that it’s not a minus too, of course I would like to rummaging around like he’s about. The speed of replacing the units of assemblies in the field, like the surviving units and assemblies themselves, or you need a repair shop or even better if the manufacturer can’t do without sending to the factory. If the car claims to be called a combat one, then the test should pass in battle. Perhaps we will see it in the Donbass and see what this instance is suitable for.

[Erg]

Perfectly in the hole. In my opinion, a great target. Many similar monsters have been in military history. And where are they? Yes at the dump of the same story

[Siberia 9444]

This is most likely due to the category of "higher race" or "American exceptionalism" - hegemony in one word

[tchoni]

It’s something I’m not in pan-nimai-yu. Is this the author that muddied the article, what would be done to the Ukrainians? And where is it about the Merian. All the info is that it is 8-wheeled ... Okay, there is no official info, well, at least bring your own inventions. And then somehow .... for a child or something ...

[cosmos111]

Quote: tchoni

Is this the author that muddied the article, what would be done to the Ukrainians? And where is it about Meriakanets

set the author +, although he raised an interesting topic, but would put ----- for writing material .....

although the topic is INTERESTING: multi-purpose modular, for the Ministry of Internal Affairs, with the wheel formula 4xNUMXx4,6, with unification of units and assemblies, this is the future of BBM ......

now on the article:

ASV 8 × 8 by Cadillac Gage.

old article of 16.05.2014 of the year from here: http: //topgir.com.ua/gage-8x8-asv-unikalnyj-btr-ot-cadillac/ full slag

this pipelats ... this is a further development of the BTR linecreated by General Purpose Vehicles LLC (GPV), created in 2001 ((4x4,6x6,8x8,10x10))) which sold the license to the Turkish-British FNSS, de it became known as "Pars", in Malaysia "AV-8" ....

after internal disassembly and the departure of the chief manager, in February 2007 of the year, James L. (James LeBlanc) senior manager of General Purpose Vehicles (GPV), decided to make a radical change after one of the founding partners and the CEO left due to illness , and the company was transformed from an LLC into a corporate structure, co-founder James L. left the old company and 1 March 2007 was born Advanced Defense Vehicle Systems (ADVS).

here is THIS US main thing, url: www.advs.com
email address: ADVS@ADVS.
Address:
4590 JOSLYN ROAD
LAKE ORION, MI 48359
which is mistakenly named in the article: AVS 8x8from Cadillac, this is a line of armored cars ... BTR Desert Chameleon.4x4,6x6,8x8 ...
http://www.advs.com/ADVS/Home.html

BBM Desert Chameleon-4x4,6x6,8x8 (2009 year)

[cosmos111]

here is an armored personnel carrier- "ADVS Desert Chameleon 6 × 6" from a batch ((in 29 units))) delivered in 2009, Kuwait special forces police ...
Desert Chameleon's V-shaped bottom is removable ((this applies to the entire line of armored cars created by Lomblon))), which believes that all aspects of the machine should be able to adapt to future conditions on the battlefield ...
on the case, there are mounts for installation, an additional invoice of armor ...

BUBM, developed by the British firm RMTSO: the main weapon on Kuwaiti vehicles is the 30-mm "Bushmaster" cannon ...
the weight of the DBM is 2,27 tons, equipped with a multi-touch ball-shaped sensor, the tower drive is electric ...
the presence in the design of the hatch at the bottom of the tower, provides the ability to reload weapons under the protection of armor ....

protection levels: from 7,62 mm armor-piercing ammunition, to armor-piercing 14, mm ...
Kuwaiti’s main weapon is the Bushman’s 30 mm cannon. RMTS weighs 2,27 tons. The remote-controlled tower is equipped with an advanced multi-sensor spherical sensor, which is supplied by a subcontractor and details of which have not been disclosed. The tower drive is electric. A design feature is the hatch in the lower part of the tower, which provides the crew member with the opportunity to reload weapons under the protection of armor.

Protection levels for Kuwaiti systems have been upgraded from standard 7,62 mm armor-piercing ammunition to armor-piercing 14,5 mm.
3 crew member + 7 landing ...
клик

[cosmos111]

here is info from 18 of March of 2014 of the year ...
from: http://www.defenseprocurementnews.com/topics/countries/kuwait-countries/

Kuwait purchased the 8x8 "Chameleon" armored vehicle ((what makes the modular platform good))), you can change the wheel arrangement, from 4x4 to 8x8 and transport the required number of troops / police ...
and not drive half-empty BBM, designed for 10-14 policemen ....
клик

[tchoni]

Andrei, thanks for the most interesting review of both the device and its history.

[fennekRUS]

I support the previous speaker. By the way, rather this pepelats, the further development of this wagon, and not the armored personnel carrier:

[Erg]

Some kind of weird cars. If the purchase of equipment depended on me, then, first of all, I would pay attention to countries with great military experience. Read Russia. Simple logic, however ...

[Vladimir.]

Umm ... The article is complete nonsense. It is not clear what the author wants to tell. It seems that the beginning is about Amer, but then everything is about the dispute about BTR-4 and BTR-80. However, in all the photos in the article Amer .... .

The BTR-4 is the new BTR, not the modernization of the BTR-80. The only thing they seem to be is the front end, but the choice of the front shape is logical for a light machine.

[Aqela]

Mdja ... And I kiss "article! Heaped ... I was especially amused:

which only has a Kalashnikov assault rifle and RPG-7

Considering that already in the basic model the penetration capacity of the RPG-7 was something like 150 mm of monolithic armor ... That is, according to the author of the "article type", this chest on wheels has the equivalent of protection exceeding 150 mm? And even without anti-cumulative screens? Further reasoning about the BTR-4 ... From memory I will allow myself to quote:

If an animal stomps like a horse, neighs like a horse, looks like a horse, and measures like a horse, then most likely it is still a horse!

At the same level, the differences between BTR-4 and BTR-70 and BTR-80 ...

[Ricard]

When installing active protection, these sizes can turn out to be a plus, moreover, with modern guidance systems that this bandura, that the size of a ball, is the same.

[zadorin1974]

The height of this thug is about 3800 m / m - next to the photo is a Ford explorer (its height is 1803 m / m), and if you also put a combat module on it, the height will jump for 4,5 meters. One hundred pounds will not work for an APC.

[Quadra]

Near the Tahoe, Subur or pickup from GM, the height is unclear because it depends on many factors (wheel sizes, suspension lift, etc.), but with all options it is noticeably larger and higher than the Explorer.

[activator]

Well, an article in a series would have had fleas in the fish’s fur. And why is this not sooooo deep-eyed modernization of the BTR 80 ???? !!! Eight wheels. They’re round iron armor. Well, in general, you don’t have any protective fields, there aren’t even anti-gravity engines!

[Aleksandr72]

This article is a repost (or copyright) from this site - alternathistory.org.ua, where the source states: "The original is taken from amonov in an ASV 8 × 8 from Cadillac Gage. Shock and awe on eight wheels." The site is Ukrainian, the author of the article, as I understand it, is also from the Square. Therefore, I do not see anything surprising in the fact that he "smoothly switched the arrows" to the Ukrainian armored personnel carrier. The article itself is written in the style "in the garden - an elderberry, there is an uncle in Kiev" - the author, apparently, doesn’t know what he’s trying to write about.
I have the honor.

[Aqela]

Right! Without a molecular disintegrator, complete slag comes out!

[sclerosis]

What does the author have with his head?

[wanderer_032]

The machine, in addition to being very tall, is also very long ...

When fired from the side, a dream.
For any grenade launcher / ATGM calculation / tank gunner (BMP / SPG / towed gun), as well as the pilot of the attack aircraft and the pilot of the turntable (type KA-50/52, MI-28, etc.).

In a guerrilla war, it’s a pleasure to bring down such an armored shed.
He blew him a hodovka, and then finish off what he likes.
The benefit of not getting into is very difficult.

[cosmos111]

Quote: wanderer_032

The machine, in addition to being very tall, is also very long ..

the machine is not an army, but is intended for special ... police operations ....
a large amount of reserved space, provides comfort and safety in case of explosions ((you will not break the cervical vertebrae)))
a tall building, it covers small arms and snipers ....

ADVS Launches Classic MRAP 4x4 for Police Operations

[tchoni]

I’ll put in my 5 cents. Even with a shot and, which is generally quite realistic, a grenade launcher of epic losses in drugs will not happen. Because this drug goes with closed hatches, under armor and separately from the BC. So the maximum is 1 (3) of the corpse (those who were unlucky to be in the path of a cumulative jet) and a couple of three wounded (those who got a drop of metal). Everything is better than almost all the corpses and those left with shell shock when riding on the armor or all the corpses when undermining the BK, say in BMP-3. And if the drugs are also in personal protective equipment such as the same warrior (and in this barn it is more convenient to be in them than in the native BMP), then there will be no lightly wounded at all. Well, with the corpses as lucky.

[cosmos111]

Quote: tchoni

when undermining the BC say in the BMP-3.

if you also take into account that the shells are standing upright in the basket of the BMP-3 BM ...
and with a breakdown of armor, LLC, a very large probability of detonation of BC ...
module "Troichetka", install only on BMP-T ....

Quote: tchoni

(and in this barn it’s more convenient to be in them than in the native BMP

that's for sure, fighting compartment BMP-3
клик

[wanderer_032]

Quote: tchoni

Because this drug goes with closed hatches

If a cumulative grenade from an RPG hits, in this situation, most of those inside the car are kirdyk.
Because you did not take into account the fact that the excess pressure created by burning a cumulative jet of armor.
Those who remain alive will be unhealthy, because they will either have a severe concussion or serious damage to internal organs from excessive pressure created by a cumulative jet. Plus, poisoning of varying degrees, from the products of combustion of the cumulative charge and molten metal.

Here is an example from the combat experience of WWII veterans.

V. Mindlin, a participant in the storming of Berlin, guards lieutenant colonel commander of the 11th Guards TTP, told about the consequences of this in his memoir story "The last battle is the most difficult": the screeching of the rotating umformer of the radio station is heard. But the crew is silent ... Does not respond either to knocks or on the radio. In the tower, a small melted hole, about a penny in diameter, - the little finger will not pass. And this is "faust", his work! Screen in this place, it was thwarted, a concentrated explosion hit the armor ...

Welding sprinkles with bluish lights: this is the only way to open the sunroof hatching from the inside.
From the tower we get four dead tankers. Young, until recently, funny strong guys. They would live and live.
The cumulative grenade burned through the armor steel, burst into a car with a fiery whirlwind. The splashes of molten steel hit everyone to death ... Neither the ammunition depot, nor the fuel tanks, nor the mechanisms were affected. Only people died, and now, as if in the last formation, they, tankers, were lying at the track of their combat vehicle.
And the tank - alive - stands in the middle of the street, lowering the cannon low to the pavement, as if grieving over the dead crew.
And there are no more people.
Whoever saw the tank battle knows how terribly the tankers are dying.
If a projectile or "faust" hit the ammo rack, fuel tanks, the tank dies instantly - it explodes, and nothing alive remains in it or near the tank. The crew dies without suffering.
However, it also happens: a shell or "faust" pierced the armor, all crew members are seriously wounded, and the car burns, the fire goes to the ammunition rack, to the fuel tanks, and the crew is unable to extinguish it. It is necessary to leave the tank and before the explosion have time to run back to a safe distance. But the wounded tankers no longer have the strength to open the hatches and open them.
And you hear the screams of burning people alive. You can’t help them: the hatches are closed from the inside, I can repeat, open only by welding.
There is no more brutal battle than a tank battle. There is no worse death than death in a burning tank. "

How is it? Do you still think that a trip in such an armored shed will "ride" along the "guerrilla paths", not to mention an open battle?

[svp67]

Quote: wanderer_032

when burning a cumulative jet of armor.

The cumulative jet, pestle, PUNCHES armor, but does not burn through ..

Quote: wanderer_032

There is no more brutal battle than a tank battle.

Any battle is scary. Especially when face to face or when you don’t know where he’ll fly from now ... Yes, and cruelty of the air, such as dog or hand-to-hand combat, is the same

[wanderer_032]

Quote: svp67

The cumulative jet, pestle, PUNCHES armor, but does not burn through ..

Listen less to all kinds of pseudo-scientists.
Better to rely on the experience of veterans in this.

[svp67]

Quote: wanderer_032

Listen less to all kinds of pseudo-scientists.

In general, this is an established fact. And besides, there is a theory of "cumulation of an explosion and on the basis of this, means of attack are created, and means of protection against this, and not according to stories. Even very respected veterans."

And you did not ask yourself why, knowing about the existence of the cumulative effect and even using it in the creation of engineering ammunition, our scientists did not think of creating an anti-tank projectile and created it already during the war, when German cumulative - "redheads" fell into the hands of our "trophyers" "

[wanderer_032]

A simple experiment is shown here, using simple checkers with a plastic explosive.

And can you 100% say that in the warheads of cumulative shells or grenades additional additives are not added to understand the damaging effect of these warheads?

Just the same, the creation of additional damaging factors such as excessive pressure, or additional incendiary effect.
Or both of them together.
After all, the task is not only and not so much in burning through / piercing, roughly speaking, a hole in the armor.
The main task is to hit people and equipment behind the armor.
Can you give a thorough composition of the explosive mixture that is used in a particular munition?
I doubt it very much. Because it is known only to a narrow circle of people.
You will try to find a thorough breakdown of such compositions used in the cumulative ammunition of any country of origin in the public domain.
Then we’ll talk seriously about this topic.

[svp67]

Quote: wanderer_032

Can you give a thorough composition of the explosive mixture that is used in a particular munition?

In cumulative, with us. in the vast majority - phlegmatized RDX.

Quote: wanderer_032

After all, the task is not only and not so much in burning through / piercing, roughly speaking, a hole in the armor.
The main task is to hit people and equipment behind the armor.

But, in order to get people and equipment covered with armor, it must first be pierced. So, the first task is to break through, and then everything else.

Quote: wanderer_032

You will try to find a thorough breakdown of such compositions used in the cumulative ammunition of any country of origin in the public domain.

How strange you are. The main explosives used in the COP are very dangerous to handle explosives. Since only these provide the desired effect. And no one in their right mind will make available to you in open access the technology of their production ... General data - yes, but not the main particulars. If you want to get acquainted, type HEXOGEN or HECTOGEN, get primary knowledge. And in the CS, the material of the cumulative funnel lining is VERY important, the most common is aluminum, but the best is copper. Explain why? Or do you study yourself?

[SSeT]

That's right. I’ll add from myself - I’ve heard about experiments with tungsten alloys as a funnel, but there it is necessary to select another explosive (and expensive) as well - it increases the cumulation effect by 30%, but the costs increase very much, so for now it's just experiments

[hoshinokoe]

at a speed of a cumulative jet of 10-12 km / s, the armor metal behaves like an ideal liquid and therefore it can be argued that the armor is washed out. And armor penetration is the difference from the cladding metal.

[tchoni]

Quote: wanderer_032

If a cumulative grenade from an RPG hits, in this situation, most of those inside the car are kirdyk.

Why? Flowing of the shock wave does not occur. The sharp pressure drop is the same (compare the volume of the jet and the volume of the reserved space. The cumulative jet behaves like a bullet and the whole high-explosive effect just remains from the outside. The hole of the cumulative jet is not large enough for the shock wave to flow. Tested on rabbits.)

[tchoni]

Quote: wanderer_032

Here is an example from the combat experience of WWII veterans.

V. Mindlin, a participant in the storming of Berlin, guards lieutenant colonel commander of the 11th Guards TTP, told about the consequences of this in his memoir story "The last battle is the most difficult": the screeching of the rotating umformer of the radio station is heard. But the crew is silent ... Does not respond either to knocks or on the radio. In the tower, a small melted hole, about a penny in diameter, - the little finger will not pass. And this is "faust", his work! Screen in this place, it was thwarted, a concentrated explosion hit the armor ...

Welding sprinkles with bluish lights: this is the only way to open the sunroof hatching from the inside.
From the tower we get four dead tankers. Young, until recently, funny strong guys. They would live and live.
The cumulative grenade burned through the armor steel, burst into a car with a fiery whirlwind. The splashes of molten steel hit everyone to death ... Neither the ammunition depot, nor the fuel tanks, nor the mechanisms were affected. Only people died, and now, as if in the last formation, they, tankers, were lying at the track of their combat vehicle.
And the tank - alive - stands in the middle of the street, lowering the cannon low to the pavement, as if grieving over the dead crew.
And there are no more people.
Whoever saw the tank battle knows how terribly the tankers are dying.
If a projectile or "faust" hit the ammo rack, fuel tanks, the tank dies instantly - it explodes, and nothing alive remains in it or near the tank. The crew dies without suffering.
However, it also happens: a shell or "faust" pierced the armor, all crew members are seriously wounded, and the car burns, the fire goes to the ammunition rack, to the fuel tanks, and the crew is unable to extinguish it. It is necessary to leave the tank and before the explosion have time to run back to a safe distance. But the wounded tankers no longer have the strength to open the hatches and open them.
And you hear the screams of burning people alive. You can’t help them: the hatches are closed from the inside, I can repeat, open only by welding.
There is no more brutal battle than a tank battle. There is no worse death than death in a burning tank. "

I don’t know who wrote it, but it corresponds to reality very little. Although yes, it happens in different ways. Given the low focus of the Faust stream and the high density of Soviet tanks, it’s quite possible ..

[tchoni]

Here is an article on this topic http://www.saper.etel.ru/mines-4/kumul-effekt-2.html
From experience. Personal. Present at the test of the defense of the tank turret. Wonderful process. Take the tower. Put on a concrete base. A hundred rabbits are popped inside. Then they will remove the ammunition on it. Check how many rabbits are alive. So many percent of the effectiveness of protection and set. And then kebabs are fried from the slain. So, in the case of penetration of cumulative ammunition, the effectiveness of protection rarely fell below 70 percent. And the shell-shocked rabbit was not particularly visible ...

[Bongo]

Quote: wanderer_032

If a cumulative grenade from an RPG gets into such a situation, most of those inside the car have a kirda. Because you did not take into account the fact that the excess pressure created when a cumulative jet of armor burns through.

This is a widespread myth, when breaking through armor more than 1 / 3 thick from the caliber of cumulative ammunition - the shock wave does not flow into the reserved space.

[tchoni]

Here I talked with a man, he says this really could happen. if the jet pierced one wall, one fan of drops and fragments formed. I flew to another wall - and knocked out some stake in the metal there. If people were in light tunics - most likely multiple shrapnel wounds. in 20-30 minutes everyone will die from blood loss

[Aqela]

In short, it turns out a self-propelled training target for grenade launchers ...

[Chukcha]

How huge he is, not a monster, but a monster
It is clear that it is not suitable for the Armed Forces, well, except perhaps as a command post vehicle or base for an electronic warfare system, communications.

[activator]

Quote: wanderer_032

For any grenade launcher / ATGM calculation / tank gunner (BMP / SPG / towed gun), as well as the pilot of the attack aircraft and the pilot of the shock turret (type KA-50/52, M

Do you think that a typhoon is not a dream for a grenade launcher,? Absolutely the same dream as all BTR 80,82,3,4, and so on, but for some reason, in the comment for each article with interesting foreign technology, someone needs to insert a pearl about the grenade launcher’s dream. gentlemen!

[wanderer_032]

Quote: activator

Do you think a typhoon is not a dream for a grenade launcher?

Do not deny.

[activator]

And also such typhoons are supposed.

[Aasdem]

I don’t know how anyone, but my first impression of the photo of this car was - "A machine for transporting survivors and clearing the territory in a zombie apocalypse."

[Mooh]

This is due to a decrease in the level of intelligence among customers. It’s best to give money to something that looks like a movie technique. Here are the manufacturers and sculpt do not understand that, if only it looked cool.

[717]

Yes, a fighter with an RPG-7 definitely won’t scare such a thing. especially if he is a resident of the Middle East they are using a serious technique. the article itself is not clear about what. if about amer then where does the dispute about armored personnel carriers? if the author would like readers to judge the dispute? then where does the Cadillac?

[Chever]

How many new armored vehicles have appeared recently, and therefore the next new shushpanzer is not particularly impressive. Even a little boring ...

[max90.90]

do not forget that the armored personnel carrier is a means of delivering cannon fodder to the battlefield and not an assault tank

[max90.90]

and he doesn’t have to meddle with bullets. Armored vehicles are needed to protect soldiers from svu, ambushes and other sabotage charms

[Arikkhab]

BA-A-ALSHAYA MACHINE ... Cadillac 8x8 dream of a new Russian

[Kalinov Bridge]

Elephant ... Just an elephant ...

[bastasguf90]

no one has canceled the queue on wheels from the Kalash))))) of course, but in every joke ... and we have an inventive people, especially if there is usually no problem breaking this

[APASUS]

Everything is standard for Americans, the cabin should have a fridge with beer, conditioning and a swimming pool. An old American school is a grenade launcher's dream!

[Dam]

Did not understand what the brother really is? Large, lightly armored, lightly armed. The main question is why? I do not really understand the place of such an ashtray on the battlefield. (This also applies to Typhoons). And the main question, what is its advantage over obsolete armored personnel carriers?

[max90.90]

Quote: Damm

I do not really understand the place of such an ashtray on the battlefield.

transportation of soldiers and the removal of the wounded on the battlefield.
Once again, this is not an assault tank.

[TOR2]

Quote: max90.90

and removal of the wounded

rather, as a mobile emergency room.

[max90.90]

here are some examples of typhoons

[max90.90]

I personally see promising mobile art. system, RSZO, ambulance, a machine for transporting personnel on the basis of a typhoon, as well as cshm, radar and the like.

[pooop]

The very principle of using such large vehicles for infantry is completely lies and leads to a dead end.

[Gunther]

tchoni: ".... Was present at the test of the protection of a tank tower. A wonderful process. They take the tower. They put it on a concrete base. They put a hundred rabbits inside. Then they will shoot ammunition on it ..."
This is how it really is. And I think - where all the rabbits got dressed. They slaughtered meat-eaters for barbecue.

[Trembler]

it is important to check the stability of the product to be blasted