Fighting draw

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New Russia at the moment does not need neither Kiev nor Moscow

The reasons and the first stage of the civil war in Ukraine were discussed in the articles “But Donbass Happened” and “The Burden of Victory”. Now you can discuss the second stage of the war and future prospects.

The first Minsk agreements signed at the beginning of September 2014, neither Kiev nor the Donbass categorically arranged. Both sides believed that the victory was stolen from them (and both of them were right to a certain extent). They did not achieve their goals and did not lose the ability to fight further. Therefore, the continuation of the armed struggle was almost inevitable. The war did not stop, only its intensity decreased. Nobody was going to carry out the agreement, the parties only recuperated after fierce summer battles, and also waited, if the enemy would have an economic collapse. Nobody has collapsed (although the economic situation in Ukraine and Donbas is catastrophic), so in mid-January the full-scale war resumed. It ended with another defeat of the Ukrainian army and the second Minsk agreements, which were again imposed on the parties by external players (Russia and Europe). Ukraine and Donbass are still extremely dissatisfied with the agreements, because again they have not achieved their goals and still have not lost the opportunity to fight further. About the stolen victory, it is true, now neither they nor the others speak. For Ukraine, this would have been absolutely absurd, but the winter campaign cost the Donbas militia too dearly.

"American weapon, delivered to Ukraine, with a probability close to 100 percent, will very quickly be in the militia, and then in Russia ”
By mid-March 2015, the exact losses of the parties in technology since the beginning of the war (that is, for the year) are as follows.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine (hereinafter referred to as the Armed Forces of Ukraine, all power formations fighting in the Donbass are included in this concept) tank (117 destroyed, 65 captured by the enemy), 30 BRDM (17 destroyed, 13 captured), 377 infantry fighting vehicles and infantry fighting vehicles (215 destroyed, 162 captured), 153 armored personnel carriers (107 destroyed, 46 captured), 71 MTLB and BTR-D (38 destroyed , 33 captured), 66 self-propelled guns (34 destroyed, 32 captured), 68 towed guns (33 destroyed, 35 captured), 29 MLRS (27 destroyed, 2 captured). In addition, 2 Osa-AKM air defense systems were destroyed, 1 air defense missile launcher and a Buk air defense system each, 2 Tunguska air defense systems, 9 combat and 3 auxiliary aircraft, 5 combat and 5 multi-purpose helicopters, 2 UAVs were shot down.

Donbass militia (hereinafter - Novorossia, VSN) lost 46 tanks (39 destroyed, Xnumx captured by the enemy), 7, BRDM (5 destroyed, 3 captured), 2 BMP and BMD (27 destroyed, snooped, they will be a case at a time, they will be a case, they will be a case, they will be a case, they will be a case, they will be a case, they will be covered by a snoop of a case, they will be used, they will be a case, they will, they will be used, they will be a case, they will be used, they will be used, they will be used, they will be used, they will be used, they will be used, they will be used, they will be used, they will be using the outlay, they will be a way they will, in the case of damages, they will be covered, they will be covered), they will be used to make a copy of the same figure, they will be used to make a copy of the same figure, they will be used to make a snoop of the same figure, they will be used to monitor this operation. 23 captured), 4 MTLB and BTR-D (15 destroyed, 11 captured), 4 SAU (destroyed), 13 towed guns (12 destroyed and captured), 1 MRLS (destroyed).

This list does not include BTR-D 1, 1-70 APCs and 1 ACS 2S9 first captured the militias, but then returned APU. But both sides counted as a loss of BMD 3, 2 BTR-D and 1 ACS 2S19 that have become trophies BCH, and then in their structure destroyed APU. It is likely that such cases are much more, respectively, the data on the APU would be redistributed (less captured and more destroyed). In addition, the losses of both sides are obviously higher, since not all of them are established.

It is not possible to establish any human losses correctly; even the order of magnitudes is unclear.

It is noteworthy that the APU has the main losses in the BMP and BMD. This is obviously explained by the fact that the Ukrainian army is trying to seize and hold the territory, naturally, with the help of infantry and airborne troops. That is why their cars are dying in such huge quantities. In the BCH, the main losses are in tanks. The reason is probably that the republic defended or carried out counter-offensive using tanks as the main striking force. As a result, the ratio of losses in tanks turns out to be the most “decent” for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, while for the rest of the equipment classes - just beyond the limits. Moreover, after the resumption of intensive hostilities in mid-January, the losses of the sides on the destroyed tanks turned out to be almost the same, despite the fact that last summer they were 6: 1 in favor of the BCH. This can partly be explained by the fact that the APU began to fight a little bit better than in 2014-m, in part, perhaps, by the fact that in late August BCH were not only "H", they helped "north wind", which after the first of the Minsk agreements not never renewed.

border opportunities

Assume that the Minsk II will be carried out, it is extremely difficult, since, as stated above, the parties have not reached their goals (for Kiev - the complete elimination of the DNI and LC, for the country - out of at least the administrative borders of the provinces). At the same time, the prospects are extremely ambiguous.

As stated in the articles “But Donbass Happened” and “Burden of Victory”, Donetsk-Lugansk separatism initially had a purely Ukrainian nature, reflecting the struggle of the oligarchs (like the Maidan, which has no relation to the concept of “people's revolution”), but then due to various reasons out of control of their organizers (Donetsk oligarchic grouping). Now the influence of the previous owners on the leadership of the DPR and the LPR has come to naught, but Moscow is very large (though not absolutely), despite the fact that at first it was zero. Civil engineering in the Donbass does not interest anyone - neither the leadership of the self-proclaimed republics (these are very specific people), nor Moscow (it is not going to join Novorossia). The civilian population is only provided with the opportunity not to die of hunger. This civilian population itself belongs to the DPR and LNR is extremely ambiguous, although Kiev mostly hates it. At the same time, the BCH gradually turned from an anarchic aggregate to no one who was subordinate to a practically normal army. There are three main components in them - those who started all this within the framework of internal Ukrainian clashes (that is, the people of Akhmetov and Efremov); volunteers from other regions of Ukraine, from Russia and several other countries, fighting for ideological reasons; local residents who had joined the militia already during the war, based primarily on revenge of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for killed relatives and friends. Their morale and level of training is quite high. With equipment, too, everything is in order - firstly, there is a huge trophies (listed above), and secondly, a significant amount of equipment from APU just bought (and in this "business" involved with the Ukrainian side as the generals and privates) Finally, it does not do without the Russian "Voentorg". However, the potential of the BCH is still limited, so even access to the administrative boundaries of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions is an extremely serious problem for them. In fact, this is possible only in the event of an internal collapse of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Ukrainian state in general. If this does not happen, the BCH can only hold the territory of today, however, this problem they solve is almost guaranteed.

Fighting drawKiev Donbass and its population are completely unnecessary, this is confirmed by how quickly he abandoned his social obligations towards those who live in the DPR and the LPR. In this regard, it is impossible not to recall that Moscow did not renounce social obligations towards the residents of Chechnya, even in those years when this republic was under the control of the separatists. Then it seemed idiotic to many Russians; now it’s clear how right it was. But to abandon the Donbass Kiev is not ready (at least not yet) for reasons primarily of a political nature: it is very difficult to expand the propaganda machine in the opposite direction, and now it continues with the same fury support the idea of ​​the unity of Ukraine. In addition, Washington strongly recommends fighting until victory. And its influence on Kiev is quite comparable with what Moscow demonstrates with regard to the DPR and the LPR - very large, although not absolutely.

However, to achieve a military victory for Kiev is almost impossible. And the matter is not the lack of equipment. At the moment, the APU is composed of about 1600 tanks (this is only T-64, there are about 400 T-72, but they are not used in battles, at least for now), 1800 BMP and BMD, 1400 BTR, 2000 MTLB and BTR-D, SAU 1100, 1500 order towed guns, MLRS 500, 80 combat aircraft, attack helicopters 40. Of course, the real numbers are much lower, because, firstly, not all the losses are taken into account, secondly, it is not known how many vehicles were sold from the APU to the BCH, thirdly, a very large part of it has fully developed the resource or is dismantled to restore other similar machines . But even if the above values ​​are halved, it is still a lot, enough for several years of war.

In this regard, it seems rather pointless to purchase foreign arms by Kiev. In the countries of the former Warsaw Pact, which are now members of NATO, there is quite a lot of familiar Soviet technology to Ukrainians. But its nonetheless less than the APU, moreover, it is even older. In particular, Eastern Europe does not have any T-64, and T-72, as mentioned above, do not use the APU. True, many of us still believe that last year Hungary put 58 T-72 into Ukraine, but it is already well known that these tanks left in the opposite direction - to the Czech Republic, from where they were resold to Nigeria. Moreover, Hungary, which has territorial claims to Ukraine and the status of enfant terrible NATO and the EU, is unlikely to sell arms to Kiev. Eastern Europe has very little even BMP-2 (totally less than 300 in the Czech Republic and Slovakia), moreover, in the APU they are up to 1000. In Poland and Bulgaria in large quantities there are only BMP-1, SAU 2С1 and MLRS BM-21. This technique can bring some benefit to the Ukrainian Armed Forces (especially the ACS and the MLRS, since for the army that cannot fight, the role of artillery is immensely large), but it certainly will not ensure victory. Most of all, useful to the APU Mi and Mi-24-8, but in Eastern Europe a bit and most importantly - their life is stamped as much Ukrainian similar machines because they all produced in the USSR. Even more meaningless are deliveries of Western weapons, which are very much spoken about in Ukraine, in Russia and in the West (especially in the United States). This weapon is completely unfamiliar to the servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine; its development will take quite a long time. At the same time, Western technology does not possess any magical, all-conquering qualities. All objective American experts unanimously note that such supplies only worsen the situation for the APU, because BCH in response will receive a "PX" line at least as a smaller amount of equipment that militias are perfectly familiar and can be applied immediately. Moreover, with a probability close to 100 percent, US weapons very quickly would have the militia, and later in Russia, which do not even have a trophy: military APU simply sell. In addition, if American weapons appear in Ukraine, and still do not bring victory (and it will be so), it catastrophically discredits not only him, but also the United States in general.

According to Western experts, the problem of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is by no means a shortage of equipment, but a very low level of combat training, ugly control and rear support. And over the past year, improvements in this regard are not visible, rather the opposite.

Fight for the myth

Any army during the war learns to fight. APU is no exception. This winter, they fought more stubbornly than last summer, inflicting very serious losses in people and equipment. Nevertheless, the result was again defeated, almost as disastrous as in August and September under Ilovaiskaya.

Learn to fight the soldiers and junior officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but no senior officers and generals. The managerial chaos in the APU during the year of the war has not diminished at all, and this is already a symptom. There is no positive selection of the most capable officers, as it was, for example, in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in Chechnya. As before, the Ukrainian army is led by people selected not by professional qualities, but by ideological criteria and level of loyalty to political leadership.

A similar situation with the logistics. In fact, the army is still largely self-sufficient or depends on volunteers who buy food and equipment for the Armed Forces for their money. If people are ready to fight at their own expense, then the authorities (both military and political) are quite satisfied with this. The attitude to the personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is absolutely ugly, no changes for the better are happening. And this symptom is even more serious.

Moreover, the war quickly turned into an extremely profitable business in Ukraine, confirming the well-known fact that corruption in this country is absolute. Generals, officers, and also commanders of volunteer battalions sell everything and to anyone. Fake volunteers have already appeared, earning money on humanitarian aid from the army. And this is not even a symptom, but a sentence. However, the army is a part of society. After the next president of Ukraine, it seems that the level of corruption in this country can no longer be, but each new head of state demonstrates that "there is no limit to perfection."

Another disastrous circumstance for the Armed Forces of Ukraine is that for the country's leadership information warfare is much more important than the actual fighting. The current regime in Kiev, whose nature and activities directly contradict all the slogans they also organized the Maidan, is held primarily for propaganda had time to create a huge variety of myths. Some of them are fatal for servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In particular, the myth of cyborg defending Donetsk airport, led to the death of most of these cyborgs under the ruins of the airport, which still came under the control of the BCH. The myth of “Stalingrad in Debaltseve” (Ukrainian propaganda, despite extreme anti-Sovietism, drew a parallel between the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the Soviet army) led to the fact that “Stalingrad” really happened there, only the Ukrainian Armed Forces were in the role of the Wehrmacht (in a military sense). That is, they are demanding that they retain their positions solely for the sake of the “picture”, which naturally leads to catastrophes and huge losses.

More and more problems with personnel. And here there are processes that destroy one of the fundamental myths of Kiev propaganda. Its leitmotif is the idea of ​​freedom as the European Ukrainians confront Russian mossy rabam- "quilted jacket", seeking to restore its totalitarian empire. For a bulwark of freedom-loving Ukrainians Europeanized issued, of course, the western regions, which were under the "imperial oppression" only 1939 year, and before that had always been Europe. And indeed, during the last mobilization, western Ukrainians showed themselves just like real Europeans. As we know, the current European thought itself that you can die in battle (including home), it is a cave savagery (so Ukraine will never wait for assistance from NATO). Here and "zapadentsy" from the mobilization is rapidly scattering in all directions, both in enlightened Europe and in totalitarian Russia. From where they furiously smash the "Russian aggressors", but only on the Internet. Residents of the central and eastern regions, that is, Russians and Russified Ukrainians, are serving. At the same time, they demonstrate all the features inherent in the very “quilted jackets” - the willingness to die for their homeland, despite the bestial conditions of service and the fact that the worthless thieves' command floods the enemy with their corpses, without knowing any other methods of warfare. True, the Ukrainian army is stricken today with indiscriminate drunkenness, but what can you do if the “Europeans” do not want to serve. Only and exclusively on their own "quilted jackets" keep the current Ukrainian Armed Forces and Ukraine as a whole. The question is whether this resource is endless. There are suspicions that no.

In general, one can see obvious parallels between the current Ukraine and the Russian Empire during the First World War. In both cases, at the beginning of the war, there was a strong surge of patriotic enthusiasm, which was followed after some success by numerous defeats at the front with the loss of significant territories. Then and now there was a blatant lack of talent of the command, the strongest corruption, including direct business in the war, the collapse of life in the rear with a catastrophic decline in welfare.

What ultimately ended the Russian Empire, it is well known. All of us (both Russia and Ukraine) are still disentangling the consequences of that disaster. Whether Ukraine will end the same way depends solely on it. Another (perhaps the main) problem of this country is that it is customary there to blame their problems on anyone, just not to solve it themselves. The overwhelming majority of the country's population did not realize that independence implies full responsibility for the fate of the state. And that no one, except the government and the people, in any case should not respect the national interests of Ukraine. Other countries have their own national interests. If Ukraine provides other states with the opportunity to comply with their interests at its expense, this is a problem only and exclusively Square. If a potentially powerful and prosperous country turned out to be the poorest in Europe, and now turned into a battleground between others, only its citizens are to blame. But Ukrainians continue to look for the guilty outside their borders.
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  2. +3
    April 1 2015 18: 34
    I think that hasty fascization of Ukraine, which causes Kiev to abandon democracy, the transition to a nationalist dictatorship, gives Russia a chance to realize the unprofitable option for the United States to collapse Ukraine. But they still need to be able to use it.
    1. +3
      April 1 2015 19: 04
      After the next president of Ukraine, it seems that there can no longer be a higher level of corruption in this country, but each new head of state demonstrates that "there is no limit to perfection."

      And not only in corruption, in all directions of its "life" Ukraine never ceases to jump over the "limit of perfection". It would be so in peaceful construction.
    2. sent-onere
      +4
      April 1 2015 19: 35
      The truth is one - people perish because of stupidity. The stupidity of the people who chose politicians who lie without conscience. Having bought the promises of liar politicians and under the influence of propaganda, the people received not what they promised, but what was happening. But even through beating - the people did not realize that he was deceived.
    3. sent-onere
      -8
      April 1 2015 19: 54
      A combat draw is the correct concept. Reflects the essence of what is happening. Regardless of the forces used by Ukraine or LDNR, the result should be one - a military draw. For only such a result suits Putin and makes it possible to justify the country for mediocre domestic politics in the state. If hahly piled all over the world in the Donbass-they will receive the wort and roll away. If hahly raise their paws up and begin to give up - no one will touch them. The main thing in Kremlin policy is to maintain tension.
      And along the way, there will be another five years of talk about structural reforms, about sanctions and Russia's determination to defend its interests, despite external pressure, which, naturally, is the main brake on the development of the economy. And there or the padishah will die or donkey ...
      1. +5
        April 1 2015 23: 46
        And before you criticize, try to direct something. Yes, with responsibility for the result. If you don’t remember which country was in the 99th, all in debt, like silk, with the loss of Chechnya, the oligarchs fearlessly shook everything that came to hand, and what now? Oil revenues go to the treasury, starving to death - I don’t watch, and they reckon with Russia, and not just wipe their feet and show a place on the door mat. And this despite the fact that the GDP did not have a ready-made team, and the oligarchs were the real ones from the bloody 90s. So do not la la. So far I can’t find any personal self-interest in the actions of the GDP.
        We are raising the army and navy from their knees, but they are still weak, and the military-industrial complex from the ruins is also difficult and expensive, and the sawmills of the budget must be moved away from the "sawmills", but you must have someone to replace them. It will not be possible to replace everyone with revolutionary sailors. They put a normal guy in the central bank in a key place - and the dollar falls in parallel with oil, and interventions are no longer needed. The thieves - the governors - "rained down", the corporate debt was reduced - by 170 lard! And not at the expense of gold reserves. You can't be biased. And they rose up against us in earnest, since a strong Russia, making friends with Europe, is the death of a mattress. And without a fight, the Stars and Stripes will not surrender.
        1. +1
          April 2 2015 00: 22
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Yes with responsibility for the result

          But is the president now responsible for his actions after his resignation?
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          the oligarchs fearlessly shook everything that came to hand, and now what?

          Same! Look at the structure of the Russian economy - is it offshore or argue?
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          and the oligarchs were real, from the bloody 90s.

          Now, aren't they here? Or are you sure that the Kaklovsky oligarchs are better or worse than domestic ones?
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          So far I can’t find any personal self-interest in the actions of the GDP.

          Let me remind you of two meetings of the president this spring (one with a Swiss official, the second with an American one), after them the president’s rhetoric in New Russia has changed dramatically. (Google and something will clear right away)
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          We raise the army and navy from our knees, but still weak, and the military-industrial complex from the ruins, too

          "Getting off your knees" is one of the most powerful PR moves by the authorities.
          And whose heart is Serdyukov?
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          They put in the Central Bank in a key place a normal guy - and the dollar falls in parallel with oil, and intervention is no longer needed.

          The Central Bank is an exchange point in the colonial Russian economy.
          To make it clear, I explain: efficiency and profitability per 1 petrodollar invested in the economy ^ Developed countries (usa, frg) - 10-12 $
          Mining countries (Canada, Australia) -6-8 $
          Africa and Russia 1-2 $ !!!!
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          and the sawmakers of the budget should be moved away from the "sawmills", but one must have someone to replace them

          kindergarten right word request "there are no irreplaceable people"
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          corporate debt reduced - by 170 lard!

          Nonsense! Total debt of about 700 billion.
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          And they rose against us seriously

          Who rose and where do they stand? again scarecrows from the duroscope! hi
        2. 0
          April 3 2015 10: 55
          And this despite the fact that the GDP did not have a ready team,


          I agree with everything except this phrase. You give at least one example of a taxi driver for president, this guy was led and put, no matter who and what group there are a lot of assumptions about this.
          But the fact remains that "They are not indifferent to the interests of Russia"; most of those living in the Russian Federation are like-minded people with them, and this is the most important thing at the present time.
  3. +2
    April 1 2015 18: 36
    A lot of beech.
    Talking about the uselessness of New Russia is nonsense.
    It would not be if it was as the author writes.
    And the one who wrote much further from understanding what is happening.
    1. 0
      April 1 2015 19: 22
      Quote: Alcoholic
      Talking about the uselessness of New Russia is nonsense.
      It would not be if it was as the author writes.
      And the one who wrote much further from understanding what is happening.

      Do you have facts that New Russia is really needed? Why is it then not part of Russia, or at least not recognized
      By Russia? Nonsense about the howl of the Western world and the fact that our boys should not die there is not accepted. The howl stands, the volunteer boys are dying.
      1. +4
        April 1 2015 19: 39
        Quote: tomket
        Quote: Alcoholic
        Talking about the uselessness of New Russia is nonsense.
        It would not be if it was as the author writes.
        And the one who wrote much further from understanding what is happening.

        Do you have facts that New Russia is really needed? Why is it then not part of Russia, or at least not recognized
        By Russia? Nonsense about the howl of the Western world and the fact that our boys should not die there is not accepted. The howl stands, the volunteer boys are dying.

        We need all of Ukraine and not fragmented chaos.
        We need all of Ukraine and not a Nazi state at hand.
        WE NEED ALL UKRAINE AS A HISTORICAL COMPONENT OF THE RUSSIAN WORLD.
        I do not accept objections.
        1. baron81
          +2
          April 1 2015 20: 48
          I fully support! There has never been a state "Ukraine" - there was a state of Russia, the Russian Empire, but there has never been Ukraine. Moreover, the imperial component was Central Asia and the Caucasus, but not the primordially Russian lands. It will take a very long time to restore the consequences of the idiotic decisions of Belovezhskaya Pushcha - an immensely long time, but I believe that the star of the captivating happiness of the Slavs will nevertheless rise!
        2. 0
          April 1 2015 21: 15
          science fiction (1) RU

          WE NEED ALL UKRAINE AS A HISTORICAL COMPONENT OF THE RUSSIAN WORLD.

          Accept - do not accept the business of the master.

          But we need to clarify “WE NEED ALL UKRAINE AS A HISTORICAL COMPONENT OF THE RUSSIAN WORLD, as a neutral, FRIENDLY RUSSIA state.
          Only under such conditions!
      2. +3
        April 1 2015 20: 46
        You should ask our cowards in the government about this, yes the guarantor. Why did Ossetia and Abkhazia be recognized, although they didn’t smell of the Russian world there, but they did not recognize Novorossia, although it was fighting for our interests.
        1. 0
          April 1 2015 21: 09
          Recognized within what boundaries?
        2. 0
          April 2 2015 05: 32
          And do not think that everything is so simple that all these matters are transparent like water. Naturally, there are various kinds of interests, goals and plans. And certainly, you and I are not dedicated to them, and they won’t talk about such things.
      3. 0
        April 1 2015 22: 14
        Dying?
        Am I arguing with that?
        Or laugh at that?
        No.
        I hope these deaths are not in vain.
        And about the facts ...
        Good. Let me ask: do you have facts that New Russia is not needed?
        What is not recognized is not counted. Almost an unnecessary legal formality.
        And the question already asked below to you:
        Why do we need the territory limited by the line of contact with Khokhlostan?
        Why do we need every second person who, in essence, is neglecting Russia?
        And then what to do with these "every second"?
        Further questions?
        Well, now about the article.
        It is expected. And it is quite logical, like a well-trained mattress propaganda.
        Want supporting facts? wassat
        Khramchikhin Semit is time.
        Two-pees ... t, and what he does exclusively for money from mattresses, do not toss bags ...
        Continue to continue?
    2. +1
      April 1 2015 22: 16
      Residents of the central and eastern regions, that is, Russian and Russified Ukrainians, are serving.
      It turns out that in the Donbass residents of New Russia are fighting among themselves ...
      1. +2
        April 1 2015 22: 19
        Quote: assam4
        It turns out that in the Donbass residents of New Russia are fighting among themselves ...

        Almost like that ....
  4. +11
    April 1 2015 18: 37
    "Residents of the central and eastern regions, that is, Russians and Russified Ukrainians, go to serve."
    This alone contains a proposal and an explanation of why, after Minsk-2, the Armed Forces of Ukraine began to fight harder and, albeit not much, but more skillfully than they demonstrated in 2014. And in this lies the tragedy of the "civil" war in the South-East of the country Ukraine - on both sides Russian people are fighting and killing each other for the amusement and joy of Europe, overseas puppeteers and their bloody puppets from Kiev.
    1. +5
      April 1 2015 18: 51
      Well, nobody smells like anyone here. There is a local victory of the DPR / LPR over the APU. Yielding numerically and qualitatively, the DPR / LPR were able to achieve a ceasefire on their own terms. In Ukraine, they are very much afraid of continuing the onset of the DPR / LPR, which in the summer was not particularly noticeable, despite the panic in Mariupol. Here is an example to confirm this thought:
      And in general: D. Dzhangirov is the last honest intellectual in Ukraine.
      1. +1
        April 1 2015 19: 39
        Quote: retired
        There is a local victory of the DPR / LPR over the APU.

        It’s like a deal after the first Chechen company. Let's hope that there will be no second in Ukraine.
    2. +2
      April 1 2015 19: 32
      Quote: Alexander72
      each other Russian people for the fun and joy of Europe, overseas puppeteers and their bloody puppets from Kiev

      Well, in general, if we proceed from the concept that Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians are one people, then in fact there is now a civil war in Russia or the Russian Empire, whatever you like. And Moscow is guilty. a) because it allowed the collapse. b) because in the pursuit of money-grubbing she did not care about her regions, which fell off. c) there are absolutely no attempts to reunite the land. An alliance with Belarus is more an initiative on the part of Lukashenko at one time. Moscow at one time took a long nose from the union.
      1. +2
        April 1 2015 20: 10
        Quote: tomket
        And Moscow is guilty

        Well, let's say .. Although Moscow is a city .. streets, squares, parks etc .. The city itself cannot be guilty in any way .. But now - by division:

        Quote: tomket
        a) because it allowed the collapse

        - Who at that time ruled in Moscow?

        Quote: tomket
        b) because in the pursuit of money-grubbing she did not care about her regions, which fell off

        - Who at that time ruled in Moscow?

        Quote: tomket
        c) there are absolutely no attempts to reunite the land.

        - Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Crimea, finally .. Not visible? Mdya ..

        By the way

        - who on that moment of rules in Moscow?

        Quote: tomket
        An alliance with Belarus is more an initiative on the part of Lukashenko at one time. Moscow at one time took a long nose from the union.

        - Batka Lukashenko - very good a complex person .. and whoever there that turned to - neither I nor you (IMHO) is unknown ..

        Total: yes you, my friend, a demagogue .. negative
        1. -1
          April 1 2015 21: 43
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          The city as such cannot be guilty in any way ..

          Then let the Kremlin be, the ruling elites, as you wish)))
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          - Who at that time ruled in Moscow?

          Who ran to listen to Borka’s performances and looked into his mouth? Abstract people? Not. Our dear people.
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          - Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Crimea, finally .. Not visible? Mdya

          The system is not visible. While everything is spontaneous, systematic, consistent work is not visible.
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Batka Lukashenko is a very complicated person ..

          complex, and certainly it integrated with Russia, not for the sake of the Russian world. However, at that time he promoted the alliance; Moscow needed the Russian world even less than the Old Man.
          1. +1
            April 1 2015 22: 37
            Quote: tomket
            Then let the Kremlin be ruling elites, as you please)))

            ABOUT! Glimpses)))

            Only the "elites" have a name. I remind you that Gorbachev ruled, then EBN.

            Quote: tomket
            Who ran to listen to Borka’s performances and looked into his mouth? Abstract people? Not. Our dear people

            Only - I note - all this was not only in Moscow.. So?

            Quote: tomket
            The system is not visible. While everything is spontaneous, systematic, consistent work is not visible.

            And why are you sure that at your (our) level this system must be viewed? If it were like that - the CIA and the other MI6 would be very happy)))

            Quote: tomket
            complex, and certainly it integrated with Russia, not for the sake of the Russian world. However, at that time he promoted the alliance; Moscow needed the Russian world even less than the Old Man.

            The controversial statement .. I repeat - everything is dark there, and, again, soon at my (our) level it will all be clear ..

            Best regards hi
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              April 1 2015 23: 02
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Only the "elites" have a name. I remind you that Gorbachev ruled, then EBN.

              Elites are not limited to two surnames.
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Only - I note - all this was not only in Moscow .. right?

              So I said that people looked into the mouth of EBN. the people are known not only in Moscow.
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              If it were like that - the CIA and the other MI6 would be very happy)))

              I think they would cry, only from grief and not from happiness ....
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              The controversial statement .. I repeat - everything is dark there, and, again, soon at my (our) level it will all be clear ..

              We have what we have. Given the awakening nationalism in Belarus, we have the fact that in Belarus there was no work on rapprochement, they apparently hoped for a dad and it would do. In Ukraine, this technique did not work ....
    3. +2
      April 1 2015 20: 45
      Very accurately, Aleksandr72 !!! ... look into the faces of the "airborne paratroopers" on TV ... the militias are opposed by the Russians, not the Hutsuls and Galicians ... 80% of the conversations of "Svidomites" are in Russian ... For 20 years, Ukraine -Stadt teachers tried to forge many into "ukrov" ... To paraphrase Bismarck, one can say "The battle for Kharkov and Odessa was won by a Ukrainian school teacher."
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        April 1 2015 21: 46
        Quote: samarin1969
        "The battle for Kharkov and Odessa was won by a Ukrainian school teacher."

        It is not known whether there is awareness of this fact in the Kremlin.
  5. +4
    April 1 2015 18: 42
    American weapons delivered to Ukraine, with a probability close to 100 percent, will very quickly turn out to be among the militias, and then in Russia

    The author, but in Russia there are few of your weapons? Do you also need an American, which is an order of magnitude worse?
    Any army during the war learns to fight. APU is no exception. This winter they fought more stubbornly than last summer, inflicting very serious casualties on people and equipment.

    Fought more stubbornly, because on the side of the Armed Forces there were more mercenaries than in the summer. Zombie cannon fodder was also present in large numbers.
    the army is still largely self-sufficient

    Namely, looting, as in the Middle Ages.
    You can see the obvious parallels between present-day Ukraine and the Russian Empire during the First World War.

    You should not do such nonsense.
    If a potentially powerful and prosperous country turned out to be the poorest in Europe

    Since when has Ukraine been a powerful and prosperous state? Ukraine did not have an army and weight in the world (after the collapse of the USSR). Immediately became an arena for Western anti-Russian forces. The author, and you are not mistaken on the site? You do not need a Russian site, but a Ukrainian one.
    1. 0
      April 1 2015 21: 19
      Quote: Wend
      If a potentially powerful and prosperous country turned out to be the poorest in Europe
      Since when has Ukraine been a powerful and prosperous state? Ukraine did not have an army and weight in the world (after the collapse of the USSR). Immediately became an arena for Western anti-Russian forces. The author, and you are not mistaken on the site? You do not need a Russian site, but a Ukrainian one.

      I can not agree with you. Back in 1992, Ukraine was the most powerful and prosperous state, not in Europe, however, but in the USSR. Developed industry, beautiful fertile land, the availability of minerals, educated and hardworking people. Russia at the start, in 1992, Ukraine lost. The army, by the way, in 1992 it was very decent: both in terms of size and armament was not much inferior to Germany. Potentially, Ukraine far exceeded all social services. countries, even the GDR and Czechoslovakia. But after 1992, a prolonged decline began, which continues to this day. However, in Russia it was the same. Until Putin came.
  6. +1
    April 1 2015 18: 50
    If Ukraine provides other states with the opportunity to observe their interests at its expense, this is a problem that is exclusively and exclusively non-competitive. If a potentially powerful and prosperous country turned out to be the poorest in Europe, and now has turned into an arena of battle between others, only its citizens are to blame. But Ukrainians continue to look for the guilty beyond their borders
    Many have already understood this themselves. Only "dumb" to admit it. And who has not yet understood this, then what is FATE to be an idiot.
  7. +3
    April 1 2015 18: 53
    this is not just nonsense, especially in terms of the number of military equipment at the university, it is hyperbred and not an article.
  8. +1
    April 1 2015 19: 23
    the number of destroyed APU tanks for the year is somehow not enough. It seems like a much larger figure figured towards the end of the battles near Ilovaisk. Well, except that Klitschko resurrected everyone and personally repaired ...
  9. +3
    April 1 2015 19: 28
    The USA threw their spy in a parachute to Soviet Ukraine. We learned the Ukrainian language, dressed in Ukrainian national clothes. He goes to the village. Everything is as it should be - embroidery, harem pants, sedentary. Grandfather is sitting on the rubble. Spy to him:
    - Great, didu!
    - Great, American!
    - What kind of hedge am I, Dido, an American? When am I a big cossack ?!
    “What a good-looking Cossack you are — when are you a Negro ?!”
  10. 0
    April 1 2015 19: 30
    What else is a draw? The author is in some kind of prostration. For all the parameters that can be taken into account - BCH is stronger, faster. The militias do not have red tape emanating from the stationed staff generals. Almost all available weapons were taken from the APU. So it would be better for Kiev not to twitch, lyuley will quickly receive. But Piglet cannot, he is only a puppet, he does not make such decisions at all.
    1. +1
      April 1 2015 19: 36
      Quote: Vadim12
      The author is in some kind of prostration.

      And what, the LPR and the DPR are recognized and separated from Ukraine? What principal tasks were solved in a year? Even the unification of the two regions did not happen. And they are constantly being pushed back into the legal and political field of Ukraine. two small victorious companies threw you, and that’s it, do you feel that all the tasks have been solved? Here, with one discount on gas, you can’t express it with obscenities, but in the winter there was still a little coal from the tsar’s shoulder.
  11. +3
    April 1 2015 19: 38
    Citizen, wake up! If earlier there was an opinion that Dondass was a subsidized region, now (for some reason) the "respected prime minister" declares. that with the loss of Donbass there is a budget deficit of 28%. Can you explain the situation?
  12. +1
    April 1 2015 19: 45
    Decay will not give Europe. Europe received back lands with a plus that left 350 years to Russia. The people living in Ukraine do not need it, and therefore the exodus of the population from Donbass is more real. Otherwise, the war of wear
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    April 1 2015 20: 40
    Donbass, understandably - is fighting with Ukraine, in order to live, survive and stay alive ...
    And the rest of Ukraine is already clear, does not understand why just do war with the Donbass. And it becomes obvious already that the junta, led by the earplugs, no longer understands this and does not know - why?
    But the pendulum is launched, this gang will not stop. A stop for them is a hangman ... Yes, and overseas owners can throw at any time ... There are enough problems there too. Obama will retire soon. Will the new owner of the white house need this hemorrhoids - Ukraine, created by his predecessor, a stupid niger?
    1. 0
      April 2 2015 05: 43
      After the black man, there will be worse people in the candidates. Obamych in comparison with them, pure good. = /
  15. 0
    April 1 2015 21: 42
    A good overview and analysis, albeit not very detailed. And the author rightly emphasized an important detail - in the Donbass, it is not the "true Ukrainians" who are fighting against the "separatists" - the Westerners (those have not been there for a long time), but the same Russians - the citizens of Odessa, Nikolaev, Kiev, Dnepropetrovsk. This is information for thought for those who demand retribution for those who were burned in Odessa - they were burned not by Bandera, but by Ukrainian "vatniks". It is now clear why Putin never launched an operation to force Ukraine to peace in 2014, as in Ossetia in 2008 - this would be tantamount to the RF Armed Forces acting as an active force in the civil war, which would fundamentally contradict the doctrine of the "Russian world". The Russians would have fought the Russians.
    1. +1
      April 1 2015 22: 13
      Quote: Prometey
      The Russians would have fought with the Russians.

      Now what are they doing?
      Quote: Prometey
      as in Ossetia in 2008 - this would be tantamount to the appearance of the RF Armed Forces as an active force in the civil war

      And would there be a civil war if the Kiev junta were immediately sent to a tribunal, say for the same Odessa or for a coup?
  16. +1
    April 1 2015 22: 43
    Quote: Yuri 17
    Otherwise, the war of wear


    Wear of whom ?. Europe gained something as a result of a year-long war? Total losses.
    A hole was supposed in the Russian economy across the border with Ukraine for duty-free trade. And where is she?
    It was supposed to capture the 45 millionth sales market in Ukraine, and oust Russia from it. And where is he at the current solvency? At the same time, not only the Ukrainian market was lost, but also Russia in many respects, that is, the result is the opposite of what was expected.
    An inflow of cheap highly skilled labor was supposed to be - but practically all the specialists were bought and lured by the Russians, they do not need sucks in Europe6 - there is plenty of such good there.
    Investment paradise was supposed, due to the impossibility of further development in the conditions of intense competition in previously occupied countries of Eastern Europe. And where is he? The Germans, even the impudent pharmaceutical companies, set the deadline for leaving Ukraine completely - June.
    And I consider this period as the term for the resumption of hostilities on the territory of the DLNR and in Ukraine as a whole. Since Yatsenyuk needs Poros to be responsible for the disruption of the agrarian season in Ukraine (there will be no doubt that there will be a disruption).
    Europe did not achieve any of the goals of the Maidan, although it invested in good faith. But all the cream pressed the United States. In Europe, this is already clearly understood. And the passage in the local elections of Hollande, representing the socialists forever dominant in France along with this party, is a direct retribution for the stupidity and betrayal of the interests of Europe. Merkel is destined for the same fate. German industrialists who supported the CDU and Merkel are frightened by the results of the elections in France, because they clearly imagine the consequences. And run with their money in droves in parties criticizing Merkel’s course.
    1. +1
      April 1 2015 23: 13
      Quote: Urri
      Europe acquired something as a result of a year-long war?

      And to whom and when it was interesting, what losses would the vassals suffer in the war? They will remain alive and that’s for the good. Merkel will be, Merkel will not be, the policy of Germany will not change from this, and German industrialists are a myth. They are, but they have no influence.
  17. 0
    April 1 2015 23: 57
    Quote: tomket
    They are, but they have no influence.


    The industrialist cannot afford this. This means that it can be forced to invest under pressure. In this case, he is already bankrupt. What's wrong. Logic Your conclusion does not confirm.
    1. +1
      April 2 2015 00: 12
      Quote: Urri
      This means that it can be forced to invest under pressure. In this case, he is already bankrupt.

      so they are threatened with the loss of the American market, which can only compensate for the entire remaining market on Earth. Believe me, the loss of the Russian market is not the worst thing that can happen to a German industrialist.
  18. +1
    April 2 2015 00: 23
    Quote: tomket
    so they are threatened with the loss of the American market, which can only compensate for the entire remaining market on Earth.


    The US economy is no longer a world leader. A growing deficit, constant budget cuts, a dollar vacuum cleaner, exceeding the national debt threshold, a shale soap bubble, wild competition with no less advanced Japanese, Koreans, and Britons.
    The Germans are not fools. They understand that in these conditions there is no place on the US market for them. But in the markets of China and Russia, their high-tech products still went before the imposition of sanctions on cheers. Not now. Pinocchio themselves
  19. +1
    April 2 2015 00: 29
    Quote: tomket
    And to whom and when it was interesting, what losses would the vassals suffer in the war?


    One of the goals and objectives of the current war for the United States was the inclusion of the European Union and its sphere of influence in the Euro-Atlantic (read-American) "free" trade zone, that is, the forcible seizure of capital and sales markets in Europe. From this point of view, the loss of vassals is the loss of their purchasing power and non-core spending of their capital to be developed by the United States. Which is not welcome.
  20. +1
    April 2 2015 07: 05
    True, it’s old. Like the world, don’t let strangers come to Your Land and Your Home! Otherwise, you will soon lose the Earth! The result is before your eyes. The fundamental laws of life have blabbed over verbal husks. Read Russian folk tales, everything is there.-Nobody canceled them.

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