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SVLC-14С rifle: records and prospects

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Not so long ago, the famous gunsmith designer Vladislav Lobaev returned to Russia. After several years of work in the United Arab Emirates, Russian engineers headed by V. Lobayev decided to return to Russia. Now the development and production of a new high precision small weapons conducted by Lobaev Arms and Design Bureau of Integrated Systems (ICIS). Based on previous developments, these organizations have created several new models of sniper rifles and are now trying to promote them in the market.




In recent weeks, of all the developments of the V. Lobayev team, the most frequently mentioned is the relatively new SVLC-14C rifle. It is a further development of existing ideas and, it is claimed, has uniquely high characteristics. The capabilities of the new rifle were demonstrated in mid-February, during a special show for journalists of the Russia Today and ANNA News news agencies. During this event, employees of Lobaev Arms demonstrated firing at a distance of 2 km. Two dozen test shots showed what the SVLC-14С is capable of. Expectedly such a show attracted the attention of both professionals and lovers of small arms.

According to the manufacturer, the SVLC-14C rifle represents a further development of the SVL rifle, introduced at the end of the last decade. In the design of the basic weapons were made some changes aimed at improving its characteristics when shooting at long distances. We can assume that the SVLC-14 rifle is a modification of the base SVL, designed specifically for attacking remote targets.

The SVLC-14C rifle has a classic architecture for such weapons. All the main units are mounted on the bed, made in the form of a multi-layer construction of fiberglass, Kevlar and carbon fiber. The design of the box was created taking into account the use of relatively powerful cartridges that impose specific requirements on the strength of the weapon assemblies. For additional reinforcement of the construction, the receiver and the barrel are attached not to the composite bed, but to the special aluminum chassis mounted on it.



The main element of the rifle is the barrel of Lobaev Hummer Barrels, made of stainless steel. In the basic configuration, the SVLC-14 rifle is equipped with a rifled barrel with a length of 780 mm. On the side of the barrel there are six dale. At the front section of the barrel mounts are provided for the muzzle brake T-Tuner or similar equipment.

The barrel is fixed in the receiver-receiver, made of aluminum. In this case, the threaded insert of the receiver is made of high-alloy steel, resistant to corrosion. Inside the receiver is a longitudinally sliding bolt, also made of stainless steel. In the design of the rifle SVLCK-14С the bolt group of the King v.3 model is used. It is possible to use barrels and gates, designed for the use of several types of ammunition. For this, in particular, valves with several types of larvae are proposed.

The SVLC-14C sniper rifle is designed for long-range shooting, which affected most of its features. In particular, the need to ensure high rigidity of the structure forced the authors of the project to abandon any ammunition systems and shops. New rifle made in single-shot version. In preparation for the shot, the shooter must move the bolt to the rear position, place the cartridge in the receiver window of the receiver and move the bolt forward. Extraction of spent cartridges is carried out automatically when reloading.

The possibility of making three versions of the SVLC-14С rifle using different cartridges is declared. At the request of the customer can be supplied weapons chambered for .408 Cheytac, .338 Lapua Magnum or .300 Winchester Magnum. The base case is the .408 Cheytac rifle. All modifications are equipped with barrels with a length of 780 mm. The total length of the weapon is 1430 mm. The maximum width of the weapon - 96 mm, height (without bipod and sight) - 175 mm. The total weight of the rifle - 9,6 kg.

An interesting feature of the SVLC-14 rifle is the possibility of using additional equipment and adjusting the mechanisms in accordance with the shooter’s requirements. So, the design of the firing mechanism allows you to adjust the descent force in a fairly wide range - from 50 to 1500 g. To install sights and other equipment, the rifle is equipped with several Picatinny rail. The main is located on the upper surface of the receiver. Two more short strips are on the sides of the front of the box. There is a bipod mount. On the butt there is an adjustable cheek.



According to the manufacturer, the 780-mm barrel provides the initial speed of a bullet at the level of 900 m / s. In addition, the rifle has a sufficiently high accuracy. Technical accuracy of shooting is 0,3 MOA. This means that when shooting at a range of 100 m, the maximum distance between the centers of 5 hits does not exceed 9 mm. The maximum effective firing range is declared at the level of 2300 m.

19 February 2015 V. Lobaev and his colleagues organized a press show for film crews of two news agencies. During this event, gunsmiths checked the updated version of the SVLC-14С rifle, in which some improvements were applied. Adjustments were made to the design of the muzzle brake, changed the length of the barrel and the technology of the preparation of sleeves. On the eve of the Lobaev Arms company experts checked the new bullets of their own production, but so far they have decided not to show them to the press.

The aim of the shooting was to check the accuracy of the battle of the updated rifle in the version for the .408 Cheytac cartridge. The shooting was carried out from a distance 2000 m using cartridges equipped with a bullet J40 Lost River. It was noted that these bullets differ from each other in weight within the 0,9 Gran, which to some extent affected the results of the shooting. In particular, it was this particular feature of the ammunition that could cause the observed vertical deviation. In addition, the report of the experts noted that the rifle refinement led to a shift of the point of impact approximately 20 MOA, because of which there were some problems with pointing the weapon and making corrections using the existing sight Valdada.

The target was a shield with dimensions 1,5х1,2 m, installed in 2 kilometers from the position of the test shooter. For greater clarity on the shield secured dummy. In order to record the results at the shooting range, several video cameras were present, one of which was located three meters from the target shield.

On the shield was made 20 shots. The first two bullets went above the target, after which the shooters had to make an appropriate amendment. The remaining shots led to hit in different parts of the shield. There was some scatter over the entire area of ​​the shield, although the tester managed to make two series of two and three shots in which the bullets lay down at a short distance from each other.

Experts report that during the test firing rifle proved to be a good side and did not give grounds for any complaints. However, it is required to continue working on the ammunition. In particular, it was noted that the main reason for the spread of hits was not the side wind, but the different weight of the bullets, as a result of which the holes in the target shield had a large vertical distribution. Thus, further improvement in accuracy and accuracy can be achieved without any major modifications to the weapon itself, although it is required to continue work on ammunition.

Shortly after the press show with the tests of the updated version of the rifle, several publications appeared in the media. Knowing the public interest in high-precision small arms, some news agencies were not shy about the wording. In particular, in some publications it was said about setting a new record.

It should be recognized that the results of testing the updated rifle SVLCK-14С cannot be considered a record. First, in the world there are more long-range high-precision rifles, and secondly, this event was intended only to test the ideas used, but no more. For this reason, in particular, a number of special equipment, usually used for testing and fixing records, was not used in the shooting. Of all the equipment on the shooting range, there were only a few video cameras, a telescope and some other devices. Chronographs, DVRs and other special equipment were not used, which does not allow to consider shooting as a record. In addition, it should be noted that hitting a fairly large shield over the entire area also does not match the term “record”, at least in terms of accuracy and accuracy of shooting.

Thus, in the course of the shooting, which received the attention of the press, nothing outstanding was shown. Nevertheless, the declared characteristics and possibilities of the updated SVLC-14C rifle look very interesting. A few years ago it was reported that a number of SVL rifles of the first model were purchased by special forces of the Federal Guard Service. However, soon there was information about some of the problems associated with the resource of new weapons. After this order was completed, V. Lobayev and his colleagues left for the United Arab Emirates, where they continued their design activities.

In fact, lately, specialists and weapons lovers have not learned anything new about Lobaev Arms rifles. The new version of the SVLC-14C rifle is another development based on the long-known SVL, although it is interesting from a technical point of view. Nevertheless, it is already clear that the same problems are inherent in the new SVLC-14С that the previous weapon developed by the team of V. Lobayev.

The first problem is connected with the peculiarities of weapon production. The company Lobaev Arms can not boast a large production capacity, because of what the rate of release of weapons remains low. A company can manufacture and ship to customers no more than a few dozen rifles per year. The complexity of the production and features of the technologies used affect the price of the finished product. According to the official website of the KBIS, the SVLC-14 rifle in the basic configuration costs 650 thousand rubles.

Thus, having high enough characteristics, the new weapon of the Lobaev Arms company receives "inherited" from their predecessors some of their flaws. It can be said that, despite the advantages, the V. Lobayev rifles, including the new SVLK-14С, are at risk of remaining a piece product, produced exclusively for a few customers, both state structures and civilian shooters. However, the SVL series rifles will have to compete with numerous foreign developments of their class to take their place in the market.

With all its problems and shortcomings, the small arms of the Lobaev Arms and KBIS companies show one very important thing. The developments of V. Lobayeva and the company Orsis demonstrate that domestic small arms can be created not only by recognized industry leaders, but also by small private companies with enthusiasts at the origins. Naturally, such organizations will not be able to immediately enter the market and win a place from the leaders. Nevertheless, in this case it is necessary to evaluate not only the result, but also the fact of attempts to challenge competitors by creating their own designs. It cannot be ruled out that it is this approach that in the near future will allow the domestic defense industry to create a new weapon with uniquely high characteristics, not only not inferior, but also superior to foreign competitors. However, this is a matter of the distant future. In the meantime, gun enthusiasts should continue to work and improve their development.


On the materials of the sites:
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http://rt.com/
http://tvzvezda.ru/
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  1. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b April 1 2015 05: 50
    +8
    They returned, but this is the most important thing !!!
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 April 1 2015 06: 10
      +2
      They returned, and now Rogozin with his Orsis-5000, he is unlikely to like a competitor.
      1. Imperialkolorad
        Imperialkolorad April 1 2015 08: 13
        +7
        Quote: Igor39
        They returned, and now Rogozin with his Orsis-5000, he is unlikely to like a competitor.

        Well, if he is a reasonable person, he will not use the administrative resource. Healthy competition is always good.
        1. wk
          wk April 1 2015 09: 46
          -4
          Quote: ImperialKolorad
          Healthy competition is always good.

          good for the army! .... but for Rogozin? I doubt ..... his face should be supported in volume .... what is not clear? his addiction to certain types of weapons not by love, but by calculation!
          1. wk
            wk April 1 2015 11: 11
            +8
            many people get cons for Rogozin on this resource .... its popularity is not clear? what did he really do? apart from populist statements? By and large, he failed all the programs that he supervised: with the Vostochny cosmodrome - trouble, the putting into service of Armata was once again postponed (models will go to the parade, and initially, after a misfire in 2012, by 15 year they promised to put Armata on stream ... Kurganets? Where is the Ratnik into which Rogozin is trying to cram a stupid and probably expensive AK-12 (it's better an old AK-74 or something from the hundredth series of AK) with the PAK FA t-50, it's generally dark! Fifth generation engines, as it was not, so and no ... for a long time already Putin has set the task of replacing Ukrainian helicopter engines with domestic counterparts .... it has happened and there are none yet! ... an official of his level should work, and not be promoted in documentaries about the T-90, AK-47, Zvezda TV channel .... and not make stupid statements about Americans who send astronauts on a "trampoline" .... minus, but Rogozin is balabol!
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA April 1 2015 11: 59
              +9
              Quote: wk
              cons for Rogozin, many get on this resource ....

              These are not cons for Rogozin, but against Lobaev. Because the reputation of Lobaev and his products ... is mixed.
              Yes, while Tsar Cannon was making piece rifles - everything was OK. As soon as a small series started, remarks started pouring in. At the Hanse, Pomnitsa, there was such ... an epic dialogue about the quality of manufacturing of parts of an expensive Lobaev rifle - with photographs of factory scratches and scuffs at the most unexpected places of the mechanism.
              Quote: wk
              Putin has long set the task of replacing Ukrainian helicopter engines with domestic counterparts .... it happened and there are none yet! ...

              9 pregnant women cannot give birth to a baby in a month.
              Actually, the work on the deployment of VK-2500 production at the Klimovites was started in 2007. In 2008-2009, hardware games began - the production of engines was transferred to the VVM MMP. Chernysheva, then at UMPO. Despite all the twists of the motor-building policy, at the end of 2012, the Klimovites assembled a chain of subcontractors and issued the first experienced domestic engine. By 2016, they promise to reach the design capacity of serial production.
              1. wk
                wk April 1 2015 12: 30
                -1
                Quote: Alexey RA
                These are not cons for Rogozin, but against Lobaev. Because the reputation of Lobaev and his products ...

                not a specialist in sniper weapons and have nothing against him or against his competitors .... my post concerned only Rogozin and his at least questionable benefit in the development of the domestic military-industrial complex for which he has been responsible for several years, but instead of a tense work chose the role of "wedding general" or "Olympic bear" .... for all the good versus all the bad.
                Quote: Alexey RA
                By 2016, they promise to reach the design capacity of serial production.

                as it often happens, where is 2016, there is 2017 .... but Ukraine seems to have stopped deliveries back in 2014? But there is no information, is there or is there no stock of products? or did helicopter construction get up? there are fears that, having no experience in the production of such units, their characteristics will be inferior to Ukrainian in the beginning, and the worst part is reliability .... I don’t want to click, but the probability of tragic cases is high, as with any development of innovations in aviation.
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA April 1 2015 13: 18
                  +3
                  Quote: wk
                  as it often happens, where is 2016, there is 2017 .... but Ukraine seems to have stopped deliveries back in 2014? But there is no information, is there or is there no stock of products? or did helicopter construction get up?

                  Motor Sich continues to supply engines in all possible ways. Because otherwise the plant kirdyk.
                  Quote: wk
                  there are fears that, having no experience in the production of such units, their characteristics in the beginning will be inferior to Ukrainian, and the worst thing is reliability ....

                  KB Klimov is the developer of TV3-117 / VK-2500. Which until recently was "a shoemaker without boots" - since under the USSR the production of St. Petersburg engines was transferred to Ukraine.
                  In addition, some parts and systems of the engine have already been produced in the Russian Federation - for the repair of TV3-117. And some of the specialists at the new plant, they say, came from Motor Sich.
                  1. wk
                    wk April 1 2015 13: 38
                    -1
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    Klimov Design Bureau is just the developer

                    Thank you for the encouraging information, but there are objective reasons to think that everything is not so smooth .... I think problems with machine tools and equipment for serial production are possible: procurement in the West is difficult due to sanctions, our machine tool industry did not shine even in the Soviet period, what can I say about the current state of affairs ... in China there are doubts that their machine tool industry has reached the proper level ... the development of components such as alloy steels and alloys will also take time (unless of course these components were used on Ukrainian engines nt on cooperation from the Russian Federation, which is unlikely due to the developed metallurgy in Ukraine and the need to load it ... in any case, there are more questions than answers.
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                2. tchoni
                  tchoni April 1 2015 17: 29
                  0
                  Quote: wk
                  no information is there or is there no stock of products?

                  Here in the news thread was an article about reducing the order of T-50 to 12 cars .... Draw conclusions ...
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            2. runway
              runway April 1 2015 12: 26
              +4
              "Rogozin balabol!"
              What did you expect? Rogozin is a journalist by profession, who was "warmed up" to promote ...
              1. wk
                wk April 1 2015 12: 47
                +1
                Quote: piston
                What did you expect? Rogozin is a journalist by profession, who was "warmed up" to promote ...

                for PR there is a post "press secretary with ... such and such" is called .... the post of Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation assumes other functions and responsibilities.
                1. Corsair
                  Corsair April 6 2015 11: 30
                  +1
                  laughing Do you think that Rogozin should be silent all the time or whine that everything is bad in Russia? No money and no weapons? Then the Balts will start pounding with their penises in the chest, and some other "Honduras" of the outskirts will come to us in war.
                  With the current time of showmen, PR, media, the Internet and TV, moderate show-offs can slow down especially loud and cocky cocks, that is, sometimes you should show your hand in your pocket, and let the "partners" think about what is there or the trunk. That is why we have said and will continue to say that a super tank, a super aircraft, etc. will go into production.
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            4. lonovila
              lonovila April 1 2015 14: 39
              +3
              -Ha ... -Who's being minus ... -So it's me ... -Soundless townsfolk on the site ... -Although a dime a dozen ... -What will you take from them ...

              -But, nevertheless ...- this is precisely me for a long time ... and already wrote many times about the tanks "Armata" ... and "Black Eagle" ... - "Armata" ... -this is another crane in the sky ... -And nevertheless, Russia already had (already 15 years ago) a pretty decent tank "Black Eagle" ... -developed and created it in Omsk ... -And it more than once was presented personally for both Russian and foreign experts ... -the opinions about him remained the most positive .., but the "Black Eagle" remained unclaimed ...
              - But "Uralvagonzavod" (one name speaks for itself) has a very big "favor" in the "Russian defense industry" and all the priorities are given to him ... - What is the result of such "priorities" ... - it will soon become clear to everyone .. ...
              - The same is true about the Su-37 (Terminator) ... - where did this beautiful Russian fighter, which scared all our enemies so suddenly, disappear ..? -One God knows ...
              -Pro T-50 ... -Somehow, it’s not very clear ...
              -One is understandable ... -If our high-precision military equipment can be instructed to equip the Indians ... Indians .., then ... it's somehow ...
              -As for Rogozin ... -the impression is that he is simply not a serious specialist in the tasks that he was assigned to solve ... -It is good that Rogozin is a patriot ... but unfortunately ... too little ...
              1. 31rus
                31rus April 1 2015 17: 03
                +1
                Dear, I must object to you, now it is Uralvagonzavod that can produce a line of state-of-the-art technology, and this is not a matter of protectionism, it really is, the Su-37 is an experimental aircraft and should not go into production (the Americans also abandoned this path), a tank Black Eagle "there is very little data, how much I have not read only surface data everywhere (it turns out that it is" raw "), and let's not rush, armata will be released soon
              2. Ramzaj99
                Ramzaj99 April 1 2015 18: 36
                +1
                Quote: lonovila
                -And nevertheless, Russia already had (already 15 years ago) a fairly decent tank "Black Eagle" ... -developed and created it in Omsk ... -And it was presented more than once personally for both Russian and for foreign experts ... -the opinions about him remained the most positive .., but the "Black Eagle" remained unclaimed ...

                You yourself answered your question)))
                The black eagle appeared at a time when they didn’t pay half a year's pension, and the state was deeply in the army for us .. then it was just that the SPEECH could not be about re-equipping the army, but now it’s ripe, and the tank seems to be out of date, now and a more perfect Armata appeared.
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              4. Dam
                Dam April 2 2015 00: 24
                0
                Sorry, but your remarks are very superficial. The black eagle was a logical continuation of the chain of modifications of the t-90. Upon closer examination, it turned out to be economically and technically more expedient to modify the t-72s, which are very numerous in the arsenal. The black eagle at a high cost did not carry any breakthrough and qualitatively did not make sense rearmament to a tank of the same generation. Armata is a breakthrough, fundamentally new: an armored capsule, an uninhabited tower, active armor that intercepts and destroys flying projectiles, using different weapons on a tank for all possible goals and objectives, modularity for all promising armored vehicles. This is a new generation of the main battle tank. And about the Indians, you heard the ringing, but don’t know where it is. They tried to conclude a contract with the condition of joint design and partial placement of an order at their facilities (as we are with the Mistrals). India wants technology, not fighter jet. At the moment, in order to accelerate production, the Indians have already removed these requirements.
                1. Mikhal
                  Mikhal April 4 2015 15: 06
                  0
                  continuation of the chain of modifications t-90.

                  More precisely, the T-80. wink
            5. Dam
              Dam April 2 2015 00: 10
              0
              AK 12 is really more interesting and functional than 74 and its clones. I won’t say the rest, I don’t know. I know about Almaz-Antey, they plow after coming of Rogozin in three shifts and the workers are gaining good and expensive, and before the arrival of Rogozin they were in shit.
              1. wk
                wk April 2 2015 22: 23
                0
                Quote: Damm
                AK 12, really more interesting and functional 74

                AK-12 with its countless body kit straps (which console it and can’t be used by real-life databases at the same time) with a perforator handle !! (which in real conditions will cling to anything ... understand this is not a heavy machine gun ... even firing from of caliber 7.62 it’s quite enough to hold the machine gun by the handguard ... 5. 45. generally shoots almost without recoil ... understand why he needs a handle from a rotary hammer!? ... the machine is heavier than the old AK and therefore ... it’s probably interesting to fans of practical shooting in dash for different functions .... mo em for shooting action movies looks cool ... but for those who really ... look at AEK in short and see what a modern machine gun looks like! besides it has a generally stupid cut-off function for the 3rd shot .... if you have anything you know in small arms, you should know that with a rate of fire of 600 vm the third bullet definitely flies into milk! what other functions does it have there ... bred!
                1. Dam
                  Dam April 4 2015 23: 36
                  +2
                  Even in the good old 74, where there is no cut-off and the length of the queue is determined by the shooter, the third does not fly into milk. (If you know how to shoot.). Secondly, the meaning of the line is that it covers a large area. I recommend to go out into the field, put a growth target at 300 m and look at it through the stump of the sight. Pay attention to what size it will be! Now imagine that she is running in a zugzig. Here, a queue with a slight spread of bullets is very useful. In addition, the Kalash accuracy of 300m will be plus or minus 21-40 cm, so it is apparently conceived. The fire control knob is very good when you need to quickly transfer fire from one target to another, especially at short distances. In addition, on a picatini, a collimator, a nightlight, is better. If you wish, you can hang the underbarrel flashlight and Ltsu. All the same, the side crown 74 allows you to mount one thing and, as for me, is not so convenient. Regarding AEK, the same principle is applied as in Abakan. The machine is good, but much more difficult to maintain, which is unacceptable in a real war. I think the special services will appreciate AEK. And so, I'm sorry, if not quite in the subject, use phrases, IMHO, I think, etc.
                  1. wk
                    wk April 6 2015 01: 37
                    0
                    Quote: Damm
                    Regarding AEK, the same principle is applied as in Abakan.

                    in Abakan, the AN-94 and AEK have completely different mechanisms ... the AN-94 has a movable barrel ... I will not continue to talk further
                    Quote: Damm
                    that in Abakan. The machine is good, but much more difficult to maintain, which is unacceptable in a real war.

                    one and a half details more for balanced automation ... just like any weapon requires cleaning and lubrication ... and it’s not in the subject that you (or too much in the subject) seem to think philosophically about the meaning of the queue.
                    why write nonsense about the "conceived reduced accuracy" it's not at all into what gate ...
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      2. the47th
        the47th April 1 2015 14: 13
        +2
        ORSIS T-5000 we stand a year and a half ago a little more than 100k, SVLK-14S - more than three hundred. Also, ORSIS has a maximum caliber: .338LM; For SVL: .408 CheyTac. They are not competitors in any place. These are rifles of different classes.
        1. Dam
          Dam April 2 2015 00: 32
          0
          I agree. But as for me, 338 LM is enough for tasks solved by a sniper. But the big problem is that domestic ammunition does not exist under either one or the other caliber.
          1. the47th
            the47th April 2 2015 17: 01
            0
            .338 seems to have mastered. SC-152 is called.
      3. Dam
        Dam April 2 2015 00: 05
        0
        I see nothing wrong with Orsis. I use it myself and get great pleasure. At the same time, Orsis costs 280. I will not say anything bad about Lobaev. He is a master, but does more custom, piece things. He does not have a production cycle, he is more likely a collector-tuner from spare parts of eminent manufacturers. IMHO, not capable of producing large batches of sniper rifles. And the cost of 000 rubles is just space. Yes, by the way, the t-650 from Orsis was not adopted for service. And I do not know what relation Rogozin has to this company, apparently this never happened.
    2. Major_Vortex
      Major_Vortex April 1 2015 10: 58
      +3
      Quote: Evgeniy667b
      They returned, but this is the most important thing !!!


      Lobaev uses the most accurate modern technology to manufacture his rifles. He cuts and grinds the trunks, as far as I know. And he makes the remaining units in line with the most advanced achievements in this class of weapons in the world.

      He has a handful guaranteed by Lobaev now, the most high-precision model has 0,3 MOA, and the best results are shown by his rifles at the level of 0,2 MOA and higher. This is in the class of precision long-range rifles.

      Non-specialists object that Lobaev gives accuracy parameters measured only at 100 meters. But knowing the ballistics of the cartridge used and the characteristics of its rifles, this is already enough for an approximate assessment of its accuracy. Western manufacturers, if they give accuracy of 1-2 km for their products, then they generally do this according to an incomprehensible method and most likely calculated, and not based on real results. In an open range of 1-2 km, there are certain obstacles for accurate measurements. And closed ranges for 1-2 km are not yet being built. In short, marketing is more than the truth.

      But, anyway, it is interesting to compare the capabilities of his rifles against the most accurate Western rifles in this caliber, even piece ones.
      1. Dam
        Dam April 2 2015 00: 35
        -1
        It does not cut or grind, stupidly imports and collects from good, but foreign components
        1. LobaevArms
          LobaevArms April 4 2015 21: 55
          0
          Hello, we make the entire rifle production cycle ourselves from domestic materials, with the exception of the descent and the handle.
  2. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 April 1 2015 06: 36
    +9
    2 km is impressive. The shutter works easily gently; recoil is not great; DTK works well; I generally keep quiet about the barrel. But the total weight of 9.6 (with optics or not) of the cord is 12.5 kg without optics - but the cartridge is different and the tasks are different. Well, I don’t know whether or not he will join the army — 650 thousand rubles are only for non-poor guys.
    1. bolat19640303
      bolat19640303 April 1 2015 08: 29
      +3
      The army most likely does not need such a weapon. These are weapons for special operations of the respective services.
      1. Malkor
        Malkor April 1 2015 10: 29
        +1
        I agree, there are a lot of imported components, and it is also unlikely to pass army tests. Highly specialized rifle.
  3. Same lech
    Same lech April 1 2015 08: 02
    +3
    The main element of the rifle is the barrel Lobaev Hummer Barrels, made of stainless steel.


    I would add that to such piece products special ammunition is needed corresponding to such a barrel.
    1. Per se.
      Per se. April 1 2015 08: 37
      +9
      Even for piece goods, it is desirable to have domestic ammunition, so as not to depend on the possible sanctions of the probable enemy. We are not in a hurry to expand our assortment, and for the same new AK-12, the new ammunition, or at least a significant increase in the quality of domestic gunpowders and capsules in old cartridges, would be much more relevant. Without solving the problem with their ammunition, it’s of little use to be touched by such rifles.
      1. Dam
        Dam April 2 2015 00: 36
        +1
        Plusanul, I agree completely
  4. Leader
    Leader April 1 2015 08: 59
    11
    The Lobaev rifle consists entirely of imported components, and under an imported cartridge.
    What kind of "domestic weapons" are we talking about?
    For such a price (add rifle maintenance, time and money to prepare a sniper here) - the target at a distance of 2 km can simply be mixed with the ground from cheaper types of weapons and cheaper cartridges.
    Piece imported goods ... We do not need it. Let the Americans indulge in this.

    We have our own worthy weapon. We just have bullets - rubbish; technology of gunpowder 19-20vv, but on worn-out equipment ...
    The gunsmiths say that the effectiveness of any of our barrel can be improved by modernizing only the cartridge by 70-80%.
    So they would do it. Instead of unnecessary "projects" worth millions of dollars ...
    1. LobaevArms
      LobaevArms April 4 2015 21: 56
      0
      Hello, we make the entire rifle production cycle ourselves from domestic components, with the exception of the descent and the handle.
      .408 cartridge began to slowly develop, own bullets have already tested, flying well.
    2. Makarych
      Makarych 19 August 2015 11: 55
      0
      Do you have concrete evidence for such a statement?
      Are you familiar with Lobaev’s production cycle?
      Anyone who is even a little familiar with production will never reproach the manufacturer of a piece goods for the high cost of a single piece. An example would be a Bentley or a Rolls-Royce hand-assembled piece. And it never occurs to anyone to reproach the manufacturer with a high price - the quality speaks for itself.
  5. Obliterator
    Obliterator April 1 2015 08: 59
    +3
    Quote: bolat19640303
    The army most likely does not need such a weapon. These are weapons for special operations of the respective services.

    Necessary. Shooting at great distances is the task of army snipers. And many of these rifles are not needed.
    Quote: Siberia 9444
    only for non-poor children 650 thousand rubles.

    And another thousand so 220-250 for the sight is still to her.
    1. Dam
      Dam April 2 2015 00: 40
      +1
      I have not heard about such tasks. Just grab a rifle, a good scope and hit at least 1 km. And then try something to see at 2km. This task is much better solved by artillery or a tank. People confidently shooting at a distance of more than 1 km can be counted.
  6. Leader
    Leader April 1 2015 09: 07
    +3
    Quote: Obliterator
    Shooting at great distances is the task of army snipers.

    Where are such tasks prescribed for army snipers? These weapons are for one task - the one and only accurate shot and immediate withdrawal.
    Instead of such a super-duper rifle, I would prefer to have something like a small guided mini-rocket of the RPG-18 type.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 April 1 2015 18: 36
      +2
      Yeah, and if you need to work on a goal in a crowd of people?
      And after the launch of the "mini-rocket" will you go to surrender or shoot yourself? After all, she will unmask you.
      We should be glad that the "brains" are returning to Russia. The country needs specialists, eh you ...
      1. Dam
        Dam April 2 2015 00: 45
        +1
        Excuse me, have you ever shot yourself? Judging by the logo, only in Half Life. I respect Lobaev as a specialist in the production of custom sports rifles. But it is very difficult to make mass production of, for example, turbine blades from a jeweler’s workshop. I am talking about the fact that Lobaev has no production, but there is a very good workshop for the assembly of sports weapons. And the article was written by a person who very distantly understands what he is writing about.
      2. NOMADE
        NOMADE April 2 2015 06: 09
        0
        hmm, do you think that the muzzle brake and large caliber when fired are quite secretive (especially at night) + sound ..?
        there are "mini-rockets" with minimal unmasking features (almost no sound, with minimal flame and contrail)
        What comes back is good. But I think it's not about "patriotism"))
        1. Makarych
          Makarych 19 August 2015 12: 04
          0
          I have experience shooting from SVT - OPK. I dare to assure you that its original muzzle brake - the dampener makes the sound of a shot from the side of the target almost inaudible from 300 meters away.
          Looking at the Lobaev sniper rifle, you understand that the principle is used the same. At least in the case of anti-sniper fighting at distances of 1000 - 1800 meters, it is unlikely that anyone will accurately determine the location of the shooter and the type of weapon.
  7. erased
    erased April 1 2015 09: 18
    +6
    I won’t say anything about the rifle, but about the application ... Well, at least offhand, where in the army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB will need rifle shooting at a distance of more than 1,5 kilometers? Counter sniping? Maybe. Just on the same 1-1,5 km. True, you must first detect an enemy shooter, but this is a matter of different techniques and skill. Still? .. A super-accurate shot at a terrorist in some shitty place, where can you not smoke it otherwise? As an option. Although I have not heard anything about such options from us, nor from others.
    So why bang out personal even if especially special weapons at distances above 1,5 km? Maybe a small-caliber gun, with stabilization, good optics and electronic descent, is suitable? Or AGS, which will cover the area? Even a mortar of 82-120 mm caliber.
    There is such a thing - fighting techniques. There is still a tactic. And brains (that's why a lot does not happen).
    How tired of repeating, but still - the type, type and class of weapons and equipment is dictated by the army, which itself knows what it needs, based on the principle of solving the tasks that are set for it. Do not believe it, but the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB proceed from the same principles. And even, as I heard, the top secret special forces of the housing and communal services are making the same mistakes.

    The author of weapons of respect and respect, purely concrete, Maladie, bro! Spar in the same channel and create for the benefit of us and their destruction. Just ask first, does anyone need this miracle? And if so, success!
    1. tchoni
      tchoni April 1 2015 10: 04
      +6
      A real case was told by one of my comrades. The sniper got people. While he was just shooting, God bless him ... We fired back, calmed down and okay ... But then he still wounded one fighter ... They decided to hunt the genossa. They roughly got around where they were shooting, organized surveillance of the sector, put the foreheads with RPGs in an ambush, and strained the ACS calculation, well, just in case ... Well, they organized a hustle and bustle on the block ... A sniper shot .... shot the same .. The attic flew up and the donkey .... And then they processed the AGS to fix the result. They didn’t go check, but the shooting stopped ....

      So the real sales for this device are only bench-resters ... in civilian life ..
      1. Makarych
        Makarych 19 August 2015 12: 13
        0
        An excellent example. But only in the case when there is either a front line, or a clear distinction between "friends and foes" and there are no restrictions on the use of any means against "aliens." I can also give an example, when a sniper "joked" about visiting a latrine. We spotted his position, walked along it from Shilka ...
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 1 2015 12: 22
      +4
      Quote: erased
      I won’t say anything about the rifle, but about the application ... Well, at least offhand, where in the army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB will need rifle shooting at a distance of more than 1,5 kilometers? Counter sniping? Maybe. Just on the same 1-1,5 km.

      He-he-he ... on VIF2-NE in the topic about "unrealized opportunities of Georgian snipers in the 2008 war"they showed on their fingers what would happen to a sniper if his opponents were ordinary motorized riflemen (with no preparation). If they spot at least the area from which the fire was being fired, then against 120-mm mines, 100-mm OFS and 30- mm OS no "barret" rolls any more.
      And the best counter-sniper weapon is 2A46. smile

      All these super-rifles are for specials. Conflicts of low intensity (where the use of heavy weapons is limited), incapacitation of critical components and units of piece equipment (depriving the enemy of communications and radar images at the right time), etc.
  8. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob April 1 2015 09: 23
    +4
    Mosin rifles with a modern optical sight. Cheap and cheerful.
    1. Per se.
      Per se. April 1 2015 14: 16
      +3
      Quote: Yoon Klob
      Mosin rifles with a modern optical sight.
      Here it should be borne in mind that on "Mosinka" the recoil momentum is such that over time even such a reliable sight as the army PSO-1 "breaks", only relatives, war-tested, PU, ​​PE and PB survive. In general, speaking of sights, one must understand that a "beautiful and modern" sight for a hunting (or sporting) weapon is designed for weaker ammunition, and will not survive long on military, army weapons. In addition, the sight mount itself is also very important, which must also be very reliable, especially for applications for ultra-precise shooting, and even a powerful cartridge such as 408 Cheytac, .338 Lapua Magnum or .300 Winchester Magnum. Also, it is good to "shine" a large lens from a "telescope" somewhere in a shooting range, in a war, during counter-sniper combat, it is easy to get a bullet for glare from an enemy sniper or "hello" from evil motorized riflemen, which, without bothering with accuracy, will sweep away a long-range superman from a multi-barreled anti-aircraft gun or a salvo from mortars.
  9. UzRus
    UzRus April 1 2015 09: 26
    +2
    One must think that they will bring the rifle to mind. If, of course, they want it themselves ...
  10. Kumachi
    Kumachi April 1 2015 09: 31
    +4
    Quote: Leader
    The Lobaev rifle consists entirely of imported components, and under an imported cartridge.
    What kind of "domestic weapons" are we talking about?

    The Lobaev rifle is completely Russian, learn the materiel. Cartridges of the .408 CheyTac type are still (so far) imported, but the development of a domestic analogue is already at the final stage. The machines used for the production of rifles are really, mostly imported, but Japanese and German machine guns and Americans enjoy.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 1 2015 13: 08
      +1
      Quote: Kumachi
      The Lobaev rifle is completely Russian, learn the materiel.

      Ahem ... and is the material for the trunks also Russian?
      1. Yegorchik
        Yegorchik April 1 2015 16: 39
        +1
        Labaivtsi said that under a contract they began to pour metal for trunks somewhere in the Urals.
    2. Kalmar
      Kalmar April 1 2015 23: 56
      0
      Cartridges of the .408 type CheyTac are (yet) imported, but the development of a domestic analogue is already at the final stage.

      Here doubts gnaw. As far as I know, even the usual 12.7x108 have not yet learned to make a quality that is decent for sniper shooting. At this rate, a distinct analogue of .408 CheyTac'a in the series will appear sooooo soon. Is that, again, private production, in very small batches, where each cartridge will be at the price of NURS ...

      .Machines that are used for the production of rifles are really, mostly imported, but after all, Japanese and German machines and Americans are in full use.

      Let me say that Japan and Germany are vassals of the United States, so there are no problems for the Americans. Our relations with these countries are more complicated.
      1. LobaevArms
        LobaevArms April 4 2015 21: 57
        0
        Hello, we really started to develop the production of .408 cartridge on our own capacities.
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 2 2015 11: 02
      +1
      Quote: Kumachi
      Cartridges of the .408 type CheyTac are (yet) imported, but the development of a domestic analogue is already at the final stage

      I hope not the Barnaul plant? wink

      Cartridges are taken from one pack (or rather, from the remainder of this pack). The difference in landing a bullet in a sleeve is up to 1.5 mm.
      (c) kris_reid
      1. Dzerjinskiy56
        Dzerjinskiy56 April 2 2015 14: 13
        0
        Something I don’t remember when I served such a difference in ammunition. Everything was the same as the size. Maybe it's ammunition for Izh 71 with PMovsky?
        1. Hell's Angel
          Hell's Angel April 3 2015 12: 17
          0
          The photo is just 9x19. PSO (sporting and hunting cartridges) Judging by the color of the Barnaul casings. Their quality is really not very (softly said).
  11. Obliterator
    Obliterator April 1 2015 09: 39
    +2
    Quote: Leader
    Where are such tasks prescribed for army snipers? These weapons are for one task - the one and only accurate shot and immediate withdrawal.
    Instead of such a super-duper rifle, I would prefer to have something like a small guided mini-rocket of the RPG-18 type.

    And they have no restrictions - get the enemy where you can get. There will be a long-range rifle - they will get it from afar. Read chtoli about the practice of sniping in Afghanistan and Iraq. For example, milo afong - HOGs in the shadows, where without inherent pathos narrates about the work of sniper marines in Iraq.
  12. Kumachi
    Kumachi April 1 2015 09: 40
    +7
    By the way, dear author, keep in mind - the Russian gunsmith's name is VLADISLAV Lobaev. More attentively.
  13. Yves762
    Yves762 April 1 2015 09: 40
    +1
    Something about the video, I didn’t understand: the goal, of course, was done, but it didn’t make a hole ... So it doesn’t pull 2 ​​km ????
    1. taram taramych
      taram taramych April 1 2015 18: 00
      0
      Tests were conducted, with extras, at the declared distance, ammunition was fired. Accuracy and the like, it was possible to make several series, with a small variation, which was announced, the successful completion of the test.
  14. Kumachi
    Kumachi April 1 2015 09: 46
    +4
    Quote: Leader
    The Lobaev rifle consists entirely of imported components, and under an imported cartridge.
    What kind of "domestic weapons" are we talking about?
    For such a price (add rifle maintenance, time and money to prepare a sniper here) - the target at a distance of 2 km can simply be mixed with the ground from cheaper types of weapons and cheaper cartridges.
    Piece imported goods ... We do not need it. Let the Americans indulge in this.

    We have our own worthy weapon. We just have bullets - rubbish; technology of gunpowder 19-20vv, but on worn-out equipment ...
    The gunsmiths say that the effectiveness of any of our barrel can be improved by modernizing only the cartridge by 70-80%.
    So they would do it. Instead of unnecessary "projects" worth millions of dollars ...


    Lobaev’s rifles are completely made up of domestic components, learn the materiel. Cartridges are still imported, but work on domestic counterparts is already at the final stage. With regard to unnecessary projections, KBIS is a private company, it chooses how to make money if it successfully produces products of this kind, which means Does anyone need it?
  15. Fotoceva62
    Fotoceva62 April 1 2015 10: 56
    +4
    There will not be many such rifles, there are no tasks for them at basic distances, where it is preferable to have several snipers with self-loading barrels. In the field unit, much cheaper and more reliable rifles perfectly perform their tasks.
    1. erased
      erased April 1 2015 11: 33
      +2
      And what is this model? Tuning Mosinki?
      1. Hell's Angel
        Hell's Angel April 1 2015 12: 34
        +2
        You guessed. Barrel and bolt group mosinki. The bed is like the English AW. But most likely made by our craftsman (there are such). The PSO scope is very controversial. Such a rifle needs a good scope. 0,25 of course for this cartridge is unnecessary, but 1 click = 1 cm. will be just right. For example, our DS 3 is 12x50.
      2. Massik
        Massik April 1 2015 15: 38
        0
        The shutter with a straight handle is an infantry, if the war years, then the barrel is not so hot at all, not to mention the 20% reduction program in our country.
  16. 31rus
    31rus April 1 2015 17: 10
    0
    Dear, not an expert, but to the vantage point, the more serious developments, the better, tomorrow an order will be received from the FSB or Moscow Region and they will do it, because there is a base and experience
  17. runway
    runway April 1 2015 17: 12
    +1
    The self-confident statements of local experts about whether our aircraft need such sniper rifles are surprising.
    Already, they are ready to deal with snipers.
    Guys look less modern films about the war.
    Two, three groups of snipers will not allow themselves to be destroyed either by a mortar battery or ZSU installations. They will consecutively destroy their calculations at such a distance, and then begin to hunt for individual targets.
    A sniper at the forefront is a headache for an adversary until it is pierced.
    1. utlyakov
      utlyakov April 1 2015 20: 40
      0
      I do not want to offend at all - but what can a couple of groups, even a whole platoon of snipers, even at the front line, oppose Typhoon or Solntseёku? And how many snipers prepared for shooting at such distances are there?
      The PMSM was right one of those who spoke out - a weapon for the FSB (anti-terror - the release of hostages, etc.) and for the FSO - arrived - spread out a blanket - lay down and cover the sector so that the adversary would not creep up.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair April 6 2015 11: 53
        0
        Do you assume that all units travel with typhoons and sunbeams?
        How about hilly, mountainous terrain: 3-4 snipers in different positions, single shots with relocation of places, targets - top command personnel, doctors, radio operators.
    2. midshipman
      midshipman April 1 2015 20: 48
      +1
      The mortar battery on the first line of trenches is not deployed, or do you have your own manual on database maintenance? About ZSU (Tunguska) generally keep quiet. Read how Shilki and "Shaitan Arba" were used in Afghanistan - you will be surprised, but Pashtun and Tajik "snipers" were very afraid of them.
      1. runway
        runway April 4 2015 11: 53
        0
        midshipman
        Your minus is not mine.
        As for the Instructions, and even more so the Battle Charter, I can say that they are not a DOGMA, but GUIDE TO ACTION.
        Fighting is increasingly taking on a fleeting and maneuverable character. There is no continuous front (trenches). Battalion tactical (maneuverable) groups with various reinforcements come to the fore.
        As for the Pashtun and Tajik snipers, then for all the time of service I have not seen a single real sniper... Yes, they were shooting from the BUR. Therefore, I never found out, unlike you, what they were afraid of.
  18. utlyakov
    utlyakov April 1 2015 21: 11
    +4
    I’ll probably express a common place, so to speak:
    a) Lobaev’s rifles are very niche, not for the army but for the special services
    b) but it’s good that in Russia they begin to make rifles for precision shooting on their own
    1. Dam
      Dam April 2 2015 00: 49
      0
      I agree again
  19. air wolf
    air wolf April 1 2015 21: 20
    +2
    Advertising again! We need a weapon of price-quality-serial production, and not "gold" single-shot samples. hi
  20. Shurale
    Shurale April 3 2015 08: 39
    +2
    In general, experts have already said that the army does not need single-shot sniper rifles shooting over the horizon, many countries have already adopted a new generation of charging sniper rifles in the 20. And we were led to the western advertising, abandoned the so necessary in the SVD troops, and began to develop all sorts of Orsis. Ask any platoon sniper what is more convenient and effective for him in battle - a single-shot fart, or a rifle that can confidently mow 10 people in one store? I don’t argue such rifles may be needed, but it’s too narrow a specialization, a new generation of SVD is much more important, I think ....
    1. Dam
      Dam April 4 2015 23: 48
      0
      It’s more correct to call a platoon sniper, a Marxman, a master shooter, or something like that. And in this niche SVD is really good. That's just the limit of her work 700m. Yes, if a sniper shoots out 10 rounds in a row, most likely this will be the last nonsense in his life. If you need to shoot at least 1km, you need a weapon of a different caliber, and here most likely bolt rifles have an advantage over semiautomatic devices.
  21. Orlenok ILLI4A
    Orlenok ILLI4A April 8 2015 21: 43
    +1
    Just an hour ago, this team (and rifle) set a record in shooting at 3400m !!!!!
  22. Gunther
    Gunther April 11 2015 22: 02
    0
    Funny in the comments is an article about SVLK-14S, and the stuffing is against Rogozin.
    Why's that...