Training squad of US Army Rangers

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In 1951, a special department was created at the headquarters of the US Army that organized the training of officers and sergeants of the ground forces under the special Ranger program at the infantry school (Fort Benning, Georgia). The goal of the program was to train commanders of the platoon rot level for regular units of the US Army and their allies. Subsequently, the main emphasis in the training shifted from the group level to the individual.

Initially, it was planned to train up to 3 000 people per year for this program in order to have a sergeant-ranger in each platoon and an officer in each company of the US Army. However, in view of the large percentage of military personnel who were dismissed during training, no more than 2 thousand Rangers were produced annually.

The training program for cadets includes the organization of unit operations in isolation from the main forces, the organization and conduct of ambush operations, raids, airborne and air assault training. In addition to special knowledge and skills, commanders develop leadership skills and the ability to act in a non-standard setting. Particular attention is paid to physical training. The training program includes mountain training, as well as training in jungle activities.

5 August 1987, the special section of Ranger training was reorganized into a Ranger training brigade, which included four Ranger training battalions: 4 (Fort Benning), 5 (Dalonega, GA), 6 (Eglin AF, Florida ) and 7 (Fort Bliss, Texas).

Duration of training is 61 day. In this case, cadets are trained alternately in three training ranger battalions. The rotation takes place in the following sequence: 4-th battalion - 19 days, 5-th-21 day, 6-th - 18 days. The last three days are devoted to the registration of all necessary documents, preparation for release and the issue itself. Currently, the desert phase has been excluded from the training program (based on the 7 Battalion).

Creating an environment close to combat is achieved by limiting cadets to food, minimizing rest time, constant psychological pressure and severe physical exertion. The training day starts at 5.00 and ends at 14.00. Meal is provided after classes. During the course, each student loses up to 14 kg of weight. In spite of the fact that the main focus is on individual training, the skills of collective actions ("teamwork") are developed during the training course. The organization of interaction and cooperation in training platoons is one of the main objectives of the course.

Candidates can be both US Army soldiers and representatives of the armed forces of the allied countries. To complete courses on the Ranger program, male military personnel with the rank of sergeant and above are sent. Those having the rank below should receive written permission from their direct superior with the rank of colonel. All candidates must be healthy and in good shape. The experience of making parachute jumps is desirable, but not required.

The courses are usually recruited 60 percent. US cadet cadets, 20 percent. from other types of troops and another 20 percent. are representatives of the armed forces of foreign countries.

4 Ranger Training Battalion. The cadets who received the direction for the course stay in the camp "Rogers" (Fort Benning), where the headquarters and staff units of the training brigade and the 4 of the rangers training battalion are located. The second training camp, Darby, is located in a wooded area at some distance from Fort Benning.

In addition to the barracks, the camp includes five training fields. The largest of them - "Burnt Farm", imitating the village, consists of several wooden buildings and a tower, surrounded by a mesh fence. The remaining training facilities mimic the launch positions of missiles, communications centers and other typical military facilities. There is also an obstacle course called "Darby Queen".

Training at Camp Fort Benning is conducted in two stages. During the first five days (the so-called evaluation stage), the cadets are tested in the Rogers training camp, and in the next ten - training at the Darby camp.

Upon arrival at the brigade headquarters, the cadets submit their official and medical records, where their military ranks and the type of military service are not indicated. After that, the candidates proceed to taking physical fitness tests, consisting of a set of gymnastic, strength and athletics exercises. With their help, instructors determine the level of readiness of candidates for the course.

The following test consists of three parts and is a test of the ability of cadets to act in water in conditions close to combat. The first exercise - swimming in uniforms, equipment and with weapons at a distance of 15 m. In carrying out the second exercise, the cadet must dive into the water, remove his weapon and equipment and swim under water to the edge of the pool. The third exercise - he swims with weapons and equipment at a depth of 3 m under water. In addition to performing these exercises are recorded manifestation of panic and fear under the water. Their absence is the main indicator of passing the test, since the ability of a person to overcome his emotions in an extreme situation is considered especially valuable.

Of the cadets who have passed the test, formed three training company. From this point on, ranger candidates act in pairs, assisting each other. It is considered ideal when couples reach their final line-up to the final. However, due to medical indicators and dropouts, most couples fall apart.

During the “assessment phase,” cadets begin their daily 20-hour classes, during which the main focus is on physical training. In addition, tests are being conducted aimed at the ability of the cadets to handle communications and small arms.

The test process consists of 11 exam tasks, grouped into five sections.

The first three tasks relate to the ability to handle the machine gun M60: Standard number 1 - assembly disassembly of weapons at the time; Standard No. 2 - loading and preparing a machine gun for firing; Standard No. 3 - compiling a card of fire from a designated position with the correct sight on the targets specified by the instructor.

Regulation No. 4 - preparing mines М18А1 "Claymore" to undermine electrically. It is necessary to install a training mine, stretch the 23 to the trunk cable and insert the electric detonator. After that, report to the instructor about the readiness to undermine.

Standards No. 5 and 6 relate to work on the means of communication. Students must send a message over the radio, as well as encrypt and decrypt a radiogram using the 600 encryption table of the CCC.

The following three tasks are related to the use of МNNUMX assault rifles (М16): regulations № 4 and 7 on knowledge of the material part of the rifle and the ability to eliminate minor delays in the work of parts and mechanisms, № 8 - on the ability to perform all types of rifle checks, including combat check.
Standard No. 10 is associated with knowledge of the device of hand grenades and the ability to handle them, No. 11 with the verification of skills in handling the M203 grenade launcher.

Delivery of standards takes place in the morning and afternoon hours of the second day. Cadets who have not passed the standards, are entitled to re-examination. Repeated failure means deduction from the course. Without re-examination deduct those who have not passed four standards and more. This category of servicemen has the right to retake exams with the following set.

On the morning of the third day, after the cross-country race, tests for agility and endurance are conducted. Cadets need to overcome an obstacle course consisting of the following exercises: overcoming the 4-m fence without using ropes; overcoming the ditch with silt 25 m long (barbed wire stretched over it, the cadets overcome the ditch by crawling on their stomach or back); overcoming the moat with the silt method of hooking over the rafters ("rukhod"); overcoming obstacles "rigging network."

The third and fourth days are devoted to orienteering using a map and a compass. Classes are held in the field, where the cadets for several hours determine the points of their standing and the coordinates of these objects. Everyone has the right to work only with an army-issued compass and is deducted when a different type of compass is found. Orientation classes are held both during the day and at night.

The evaluation phase ends with a water test. It includes a jump from the 9 height to the water, as well as a rope descent into the water using a block from the 18 tower. Water test is carried out regardless of the season and weather conditions.

For those who do not pass any standard, re-re-examination is allowed. Cadets who are expelled at any stage of training, but who wish to try again, can be left to try the same tests with the next course. They are enrolled in a unit called the Gulag, which is formed at the battalion headquarters. This subdivision is involved in fulfilling the tasks of ensuring the educational process, repairing and improving the teaching and material base, as well as marking the enemy during exercises and tactical exercises.

In the evenings, during the first five days, the cadets work out self-defense techniques. Every day, 3-4 hours are assigned to hand-to-hand fighting.
Direct training of cadets begins in the camp "Darby" with parachute jumps from a helicopter. Those who do not have the experience of skydiving are taken to the area of ​​employment by car.

For the first three days, cadets receive the necessary knowledge of tactics, methods of orientation, as well as those required for command and control of the division and development of leadership skills. Against the background of theoretical classes, physical training is constantly being held.

On the fourth day, the 20 overcomes the obstacles installed on the training field. In the afternoon, survival drills are held. Students learn how to catch wild animals and cooking food from them.

Before this activity, cadets do not receive food during the day.

The rest of the time in the camp "Darby" is dedicated to the development of tactical methods of conducting reconnaissance activities with the use of tactical-drill method of training. Instructors first show the technique of performing the technique, and then direct the workout, practicing each element.
When practicing tactics during an exercise, the role of the enemy is played by the Merrills platoon from the battalion headquarters company. The platoon is equipped with weapons that were in service with the armies of the former Warsaw Pact, and in the course of training battles, imitates the tactics of units of a potential enemy of the United States, including the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Personnel wear appropriate clothing and equipment. During the exercises, platoon soldiers guard training facilities, patrol the area and try to detect and capture trainees. Captured cadets sent to the area that simulates a camp for prisoners of war.

In the last four days, candidates receive an order for reconnaissance in day and night conditions, trying to complete the task and not be "killed" or captured.

At the end of this course, cadets are transferred to the Merrill camp (Dahlonega) to undergo mountain training.

5 Ranger Training Battalion. At this stage, 2 cadets receive hot meals once a day and once a day with dry rations. Sleep is given 5-6 h per day.

The whole program of the course of mountain training is divided into low-level and high-mountain, climbing techniques and mountain tactical training.

The cadets study climbing equipment, and then begin to work out various methods of climbing and descending on the 6 and 18 walls. In particular, the descent face down, the descent with a backpack and without it and the descent from the cliff of the wounded. After the class, the cadets must descend three times on their own from the 18 wall: once with a backpack, the second without a backpack in two jumps, the third descent is carried out at night and with full display.
The fifth and sixth days of the cadets spend on Mount Jonah. Here they acquire practical skills of descending and climbing rocks, using mountain equipment, and also work out tactics of actions in the mountains.

The next two days of training again take place in the camp, where serious attention is paid to physical training.

On the eighth day, platoon and company tactical exercises are held in the mountains. Cadets develop and conduct intelligence activities. The most difficult moment is the training with the drop-off of parachutists, who must land on a platform of size 100 x 150 m with a stream and a forest belt within its borders.

During the course, the commanders of companies, platoons and squads deal with the planning of exercises in accordance with the general lesson plan. They are given preliminary combat orders for the development of exercises, from which planning begins. During the course, each cadet appointed by an instructor sergeant may in turn be a commander at one of the stages. His work is necessarily evaluated by instructors.
The personnel, depicting the enemy, throughout the course attacks on the camp of the cadets.

Upon completion of the course of mountain training, the cadets move to Eglin airbase.

6 Ranger Training Battalion. At this stage, cadets are trained in jungle activities.

On the first day of training in field classes, they theoretically study tactics, methods of movement and reconnaissance, and special events in the jungle. A counter battle is added to the set of tactics.

The first day of classes ends in the field class with a study of the jungle flora and fauna. Rangers are taught to recognize and avoid dangerous animals, as well as provide first aid for bites. For display, the battalion contains a terrarium and a lake with crocodiles, which are administered by the battalion headquarters.

The second and third days are devoted to working out the tactics of action in the jungle. Sleep is given no more than 4 hours, the cadets are provided with dry rations.

In the course of the fourth day, the training issues of overcoming the water obstacles and actions on small boats are being worked out. The initial training is carried out on land. Then the squad with the help of instructors swims in a rowing rubber boat "Zodiac" to the patrol base located in the middle of the swamp, where he organizes the camp.

Subsequently, during the exercises and classes, the cadets work out the issues of movement on a rowing boat in the open sea (in the Gulf of Mexico). Tactical exercises conclude with a training assault on. Santa Rosa.

At the end of the training course, the servicemen relocate to the Rogers camp where the graduation ceremony takes place, after which they decline to continue their service in their units and units. Subsequently, they may be asked to fill vacancies in the 75 Infantry Regiment of the Ranger Special Operations Command of the US Army.
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  1. -11
    April 4 2015 06: 39
    Type of our airborne ... only the spirit is not comparable!
    1. +12
      April 4 2015 08: 34
      Quote: igorka357
      Type of our airborne ...

      I must admit that the program is rich, and quite capacious. Subject to the quality mastering of the course, highly trained fighters should be obtained good
      Only the period of study confuses: two months is really not enough to consolidate knowledge and skills, i.e., it is assumed that candidates ALREADY have basic training in all issues, as I understand it? Otherwise, what's the point of "breaking spears": after another couple of months, in the absence of constant improvement of skills, this program will remain only in the form of a certificate of completion of the course.
      1. Alex_Popovson
        +18
        April 4 2015 09: 02
        In the American army, among other things, there are courses. If we have a school / academy, and that’s all - you are a well-established pro, then there you can take courses until the end of your life - driving everything in the world, survival in various conditions, sniper affairs, computer affairs, even army management is. In short, they study all their lives, and do the right thing.
        1. 0
          April 4 2015 16: 49
          Quote: Alex_Popovson
          If we have a school / academy, and that’s all - you are a well-established pro, then there you can take courses until the end of your life - driving everything in the world, survival in various conditions, sniper affairs, computer affairs, even army management is. In short, they study all their lives, and do the right thing.

          And is it all free, all these courses?
          1. Alex_Popovson
            +4
            April 4 2015 18: 21
            Yes, in the so-called free time of a soldier. Moreover, the senior ranks greatly encourage this. And they will not be appointed to many posts without such courses, and even the banal rank cannot be obtained. So competition is created - whoever learns and learns more will master. Very, in my opinion, a healthy thing.
            So it’s a completely green salag in the KMP, if you apply your wit, patience and desire, and most importantly, at the exit, after the contract, you may well be able to control an infantry fighting vehicle, a motor vehicle, shoot from a howitzer, and even possess survival skills in the mountains.
            Another problem - money payments for this are not allowed, they won’t give medals, diplomas, too, there will only be a note in the personal file. So the majority is not particularly tense, since for many the army is just the possibility of free higher education. Not everyone plans to link their fate with the army.
      2. +5
        April 4 2015 09: 34
        Only the training period is embarrassing: two months is really not enough to consolidate knowledge and skills


        I agree. Training should bring skills to automaticity, and this takes years. This is what distinguishes the elite from peacocks.
        1. +4
          April 4 2015 17: 51
          Quote: igorka357
          Type of our airborne ... only the spirit is not comparable!

          Have you personally checked that they are not comparable in spirit? In America, exactly the same hedgehog people like in Russia, Germany, China, India, etc. No need to think that there people are not ready to sacrifice their lives for the sake of their ideals or the salvation of their colleagues.
          Quote: Mikhal
          I agree. Training should bring skills to automaticity, and this takes years. This is what distinguishes the elite from peacocks.

          As I understood from the text, the main point is to cut off people who cannot withstand mainly psychological stress, and then physical. And the fact of completing these courses does not guarantee you will get into the elite "Rangers" unit. It's the same if you take "hypothetical" special forces courses in the army, that you will get into Alpha or Pennant. And I will teach you all their tricks inside the unit.
          1. -7
            April 4 2015 22: 54
            Quote: Atrix
            Have you personally checked that they are not comparable in spirit?

            Believe it or not, Andrei, they are incomparable. They are trained to withstand all kinds of torture, hunger, cold, etc. - but all this is done in training centers, and in the subconscious they always remember this: "I will not be killed anyway!"
            Getting captured in real conditions, for some time the most persistent can get worn out - but basically "merge" rather quickly, since it is not about the assessment for the exam, but about preserving their own skin.
            Of course, people capable of empathy and self-sacrifice are among them. But THEM have few.
            1. +5
              April 5 2015 00: 23
              Quote: avia1991
              Believe me, Andrey is not comparable

              Sorry, but I won’t believe you. First, you have never been captured or tortured, so you cannot know this. And what are the statistics on interrogations of Russians and Americans, and are there Russian military leaders? Sorry, but this is outright stupidity. All people on earth are the same and survival instincts are equally developed for everyone, there is no super race of people. One thought so in the 30-40x years, but they proved him wrong.
              Quote: avia1991
              But THEM have few

              Why did you decide that they are few? Maybe their leadership simply does not send for slaughter or for unprepared tasks and they have less to show heroism. But this does not mean that they will not be able to sacrifice themselves at the right time. I also like it when they say that without air conditioning and a toilet, they will not be able to fight. All of them will be able to fight and sit in the trenches around the neck in the mud, as was the case in World War II and Vietnam. Just why give up the benefits of civilization when all this can be used? I am sure that if our grandfathers and great-grandfathers saw our military serving, they would also say that you are too wet.
              I don’t want to offend anyone, but I just don’t need to think that if you are Russian / Ukrainian / Belarus, then you are better than other nations than this, this curve path can envy the wrong place.
              Better let the world be in the world and we won’t have to check who the US or Russia is fighting better.
              1. -1
                April 5 2015 00: 36
                Quote: Atrix
                I don't want to offend anyone

                Offended by loved ones. Your opinion is only an opinion.
                Quote: Atrix
                Sorry, but I won’t believe you.

                again - your right. The time will come - learn in practice. I definitely won’t trump anything here, I said as is - and you are free to understand, as you understand.
                Quote: Atrix
                All people on earth are the same and survival instincts are equally developed for everyone; there is no race beyond people

                Everyone has an instinct for self-preservation. But the Slavs are different, not in the sense of "over", just objectively the fighters are different, this is recognized not so much by us as by the enemy. And this is not a conclusion from high-profile speeches.
                Quote: Atrix
                Why did you decide that they are few?

                I DIDN'T DECIDE, Andrey. And for the discussion, I’ll add: remember how many years the United States - and how many Russia, what wars were on the territory of the United States - and Russia, who were the ancestors of today's Americans - and who are ours. Do you think that all this is an empty phrase ?! Then I admit: you are not one of those who, without hesitation, will come to the rescue. But I was more fortunate: for me, such an action is natural. And for my friends too. Everyone lives in their own world .. request
                1. -4
                  April 5 2015 05: 48
                  Andrei was trying to say something, but he himself didn’t understand what he had missed, maybe wanted to make a mess, maybe he didn’t know his story and the heroism of her people not only earlier, but also in modern times ... when our landing could leave but did not do it, because there was enough spirit)))! And even you didn’t answer anything ... because there is nothing ..))!
                  1. -1
                    April 5 2015 12: 06
                    Igor, do not try, in such cases, to prove anything: a person simply has an incorrectly formed worldview from the very beginning, here even "SS" examples are useless to give (if such a crazy idea suddenly appeared wassat ) I am not saying that tolerance, faith in good people in the enemy camp is bad. But the automatic "lowering" of our fighters to the state moral level is, of course, an imbalance of consciousness! With as many examples as in OUR Story .. Igor, the person, obviously, just DOESN'T KNOW. And, in general, I agree with the idea that "God forbid and not to know!" But I'm afraid that little depends on our desires .. hi
                  2. 0
                    April 6 2015 23: 49
                    By the way, I noticed an interesting trend: 3-4 pad.ly appeared on the site, who, as a rule, do not openly disagree, (apparently, just no brains request ) but "cling" to someone's tail, and stupidly "chew", apparently trying to amuse their flawed pride in this way ..
                    So, for such "idiots": you, gasspad, will not become smarter from this anyway - anger dries up the brain, to a powder! wassat In addition, Evil, as you know, eventually returns to its source - and, perhaps, in an enhanced form.
                    And the most offensive for you is that you will not reach your goal anyway: Truth - it is one, and from your desperate minuses it will not change.
                    So your style of behavior is degradation. They say that labor made a man out of a monkey. You seem to have managed to reverse this process request
                2. 0
                  April 7 2015 02: 06
                  Dear avia1991
                  It seems to me that you are mistaken; the generals Vlasov and Karbyshev had the same ancestors, but you yourself know the difference. It all depends on the individual and circumstances. The surrender of a cadre army in 41, they also did not have the right ancestors according to yours. And judging by the ancestors is probably fascism.
                  Sincerely.
                  1. 0
                    April 7 2015 20: 40
                    Quote: denis02135
                    And judging by the ancestors is probably fascism.

                    Is your head sore, sir? belay
                    And who else to talk about, with whom to take the example of those living today? You, just with your philosophy, will agree to the point that the results of the Second World War should be reviewed, but it’s better to forget about them! There is really no need to recall the defenders and collectors of the land of the Russian prince Vladimir, Ivan the Terrible, Alexander Nevsky, the great commanders Suvorov, Kutuzov, Bagration, Admirals Nakhimov and Ushakov .. WHY ?! After all, we live today, and we must focus on new values ​​- for example, American "freedom"! SO, YOURS ?! Judging by the flag, this is closer to you.
                    It seems to me that you simply do not understand the essence of what you are talking about. How many Vlasovs did we have, don't you remember? And how many like Karbyshev?! ..
                    For Vlasov there is an old proverb: "In a family - not without its black sheep." AND such anti-examples are also needed in History - so that others clearly understand HOW NOT TO DO! However, such units always appeared - there was mass treason among the Russians, while the Soviet people did not. The same ROA was recruited for a long time and difficult, individually collecting renegades throughout the occupied territory. Most of the fighters whom Vlasov surrendered to the Nazis refused to betray their homeland - this is if you are not in the know.
                    Now with regard to "judging by ancestors - fascism":
                    The fascists did this to cultivate their national idea: "The Aryan race are the chosen rulers of the world!" All the rest were supposed to either simply be destroyed, or for the time being used as slaves for the "Aryans" - pure-blooded Germans, who were supposed to rule the occupied territories, and regulate the population, depending on their own needs. All of us - you, me, and the overwhelming majority of people who inhabited the Earth were considered something like livestock, whose fate entirely depended on the whim of the "Aryan master". A wonderful ideology, right? I am writing in detail, looking at your flag - if you are in the states, I doubt it already, do you even know what fascism is request
                    As for my appeal to my ancestors - I put in a completely different meaning: historical examples of heroism, courage, devotion to my homeland, an amazing flight of scientific and creative thought, incredible achievements of technological progress, the romance of distant wanderings - this is what our ancestors give us! You need to remember this, and behave worthy of these traditions - including during the hour of war.
                    That's what I mean. And you, it seems, are only thinking about the nationality of your ancestors .. Do not get lost!
                    1. +1
                      April 9 2015 00: 15
                      Dear avia1991

                      Sorry if I offended and do not look at the flags, what is fascism I know and what is Nazism. You probably too. (And how is class superiority different from racial?)
                      You condemn other nations (their heroic ancestors are not so heroic) IMHO it seems to me that it is not necessary to measure ancestors.
                      We (you and I) have some heroes with them. You say Nakhimov and Ushakov they can say Nelson and Blake for example, you say Alexander Nevsky they are Jeanne Dark and others

                      You're certainly right
                      Quote: avia1991
                      heroism, courage, devotion to their homeland, an amazing flight of scientific and creative thought, incredible achievements of technological progress, romance of distant wanderings
                      only they have the same thing, sometimes a little bit earlier than ours (for example, a steam train, an airplane, a ship, a nuclear bomb).

                      I have a question for you. Do you think Generals Yudenich, Karnilov, Krasnov, Brusilov and other representatives of the White Army are heroes or not. And what do their descendants be proud or ashamed of?

                      And let's compare our ancestors say 2000 years ago and the Romans, 3000 years of the Slavs and Greeks and 4000 years ago of the Slavs and Egyptians so who had smarter ancestors.

                      And about Mongol with the Chinese, I generally keep quiet wink

                      I’m what we have our GREAT story with.

                      And if you think that they are worse than you, then at least this is an underestimation of the enemy. It was already at 41.

                      Sincerely.
                      1. 0
                        April 9 2015 15: 07
                        Quote: denis02135
                        Sorry if offended

                        No, no offense, Denis, but thanks hi - Your sincerity has.
                        I do not go deep into the millennia, because we can only know TU History with very large assumptions. But those heroes that we had, do not show the superiority of the Russians over the others, but .. the ability to withstand ANY enemy of the motherland, and achieve victory, regardless of the level of preparation and equipment of the enemy!
                        As for the "great" history of the amerikosov - they, excuse me, are godkov? .. That's it. And if you remember their "exploits", in particular, in relation to the indigenous population, and then in relation to other countries to this day, it will become clear that it can be called the "History of the enemies of the whole world" - but not the great History of the people. Yes, I despise Americans, and I have personal reasons for this, among other things. And today's day proves to me that there is no reason for me to change my point of view. request
                        As for our compatriots, whom you are listing, it is necessary to judge by human deeds. Kornilov was an outstanding man, a professional in military affairs, and a patriot - but he understood patriotism, nevertheless, in his own way, and despised the "rabble that raised its head" selflessly! Did he think about the good of Russia? Yes, absolutely. Is it possible to forgive him for his actions during the Civil War? This is the question. But in his attitude to the Motherland, of course, there are no thoughts of betrayal! he was sincerely devoted to Russia, and this can be learned from him.
                        That's how it is somehow. I won’t discuss the rest: I don’t know much about Krasnov, Brusilov - anyway, he remained faithful to his homeland to the end. But this is the most difficult period in our history, and here you can pile on mistakes, simply out of ignorance.
                        Good luck, Denis! Yes
                        PySy: Yes, about a steam locomotive and an aircraft: both a steam locomotive and an aircraft - as well as television, radio, a "fast transistor" - the basis of the first PC, and much more - all this was first done by our Russian inventors! The third misfortune in Russia is "there is no Prophet in his Fatherland."
                      2. 0
                        April 9 2015 15: 44
                        Dear avia1991

                        Thank you very much for your response. I am not saying that your point of view is not correct; I have great respect for any person who defends his position.

                        Good luck to you drinks
                      3. 0
                        April 9 2015 15: 44
                        Dear avia1991

                        Thank you very much for your response. I am not saying that your point of view is not correct; I have great respect for any person who defends his position.

                        Good luck to you drinks
              2. -4
                April 5 2015 05: 59
                What does the instincts and benefits of civilization have to do with it ... you are replacing the concepts of heroism and convenience! How do you think their rangers knowing that they will die at the height, if possible move away ... they would remain, I doubt very much! And even in the Second World War when the Americans were by no means slammers they didn’t raise the companies in the last fatal attack, so that those standing behind had time to prepare ... what have your Conder and dry closets to do with it? What makes you think that Hitler thought that the Germans were over the race ...? Hitler was a radical nationalist, he opposed any incest of Germans and wanted to breed a purebred Aryan breed, but he didn’t succeed ... because this is nonsense ... to humanity not three hundred years ... well, of course, also because another friend proved the opposite to him ..))! And by the way, your rangers also drive into their heads that they are exceptional ... for example, they’re black ... forgive the black Kenyan, and before that paranoid bush ..))!
              3. -2
                April 5 2015 17: 20
                Quote: Atrix
                First, you have never been captured or tortured, so you cannot know this.

                Yes, by the way - I didn’t answer that. Are you familiar with my track record? .. Of course not. Otherwise, why would you so categorically say something about me?
                Quote: Atrix
                And what are the statistics on interrogations of Russians and Americans, and are there Russian military leaders? Sorry, but this is outright stupidity.

                This is not exactly what it is called, but IS. AND outright stupidity is allegations.
                Now the analysis is over. If there are facts to the contrary - please?
          2. +1
            April 5 2015 05: 43
            I personally know the exploits of our boys in Afghanistan and Chechnya ,,, I was very interested in the exploits of "their" soldiers in the same Afghan Iraq and in general ... you know the score and the greatness of the feat is clearly not in their favor, it is less by an order of magnitude !!!
            1. Montrey
              +1
              April 5 2015 22: 37
              And where were you interested in? The same as you yourself ..
              1. 0
                April 6 2015 01: 46
                Quote: montrey
                And where were you interested in?

                Do you think there is nowhere to do it? Probably, you simply do not have enough desire to know about it. And for the fact that "Afghans" are trying to "lower", you run the risk of running into! You are told:
                Quote: igorka357
                I personally know the deeds of our boys in Afghanistan and
                This is not enough? I can add in my own name: and I personally know. And if you’re used to evaluating the coolness of the Americans by the Hollywood action movies, then discuss movie characters request
      3. +3
        April 4 2015 10: 46
        ... in view of the large percentage of military personnel expelled during training, no more than 2 thousand rangers were released annually.

        Rather, skills and knowledge are thoroughly tested.
        ... a graduation ceremony takes place, after which they depart to continue to serve in their units.

        The infantrymen arrive at the course from their units and depart into their own units, obviously the contingent is not the first to serve (2-3 years), and the unit commander will not sign a report on the course to everyone.
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          April 4 2015 16: 52
          Quote: k_ply
          Rather, skills and knowledge are thoroughly tested.

          I saw a program about a set of fur seals, there were two attempts to make a march, one of the candidates failed for the first time, but passed the second time. So the commanders began to blame him for being not stable. So the question is, why is the second attempt given when you use it?
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      5. +3
        April 4 2015 12: 33
        In my opinion, this is only their basic course, the main one in one of the three bat-s, graduates get the right to wear a patch (Ranger), but not a patch and a regiment (75th).
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      April 5 2015 11: 37
      Type of our airborne ... only the spirit is not comparable!
      No, you confused the courses of the "rangers" with the 75 paratrooper regiment of rangers. In principle, these courses are partly held at the "sites" of this regiment under the direct leadership of the rangers. Only a regiment - there is a regiment, and they then receive a patch on the end of the course and return back to their units, such as for reinforcement.
  2. -6
    April 4 2015 07: 38
    yes, serious preparation. just something feats are not visible. recently a film was shown about a female tank crewman, she fought in the GREAT DOMESTIC WAR. clown rangers compared to her! and in our time in our army there are REAL WARS !!!
    1. Alex_Popovson
      +1
      April 4 2015 08: 32
      she fought in the GREAT PATRIOTIC

      Everything, this is the only indicator of heroism.
    2. +6
      April 4 2015 16: 55
      Quote: bashmak
      just something feats are not visible. recently a film was shown about a woman tanker, she fought in the GREAT DOMESTIC

      Heroism should be on the last roles in the war, when nothing helps you complete the task, neither knowledge is not skills, nor tactics are nothing. Then only heroism remains. The authorities should not neglect this. As they say, the heroism of some compensates for the mistakes of others.
      1. 0
        April 5 2015 06: 20
        Self-sacrifice, heroism, and morale are slightly different things !!!
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          April 6 2015 16: 21
          Quote: igorka357
          Self-sacrifice, heroism, and morale are slightly different things !!!

          Self-sacrifice is directly related to heroism. The consequence of self-sacrifice is heroism. That is, you risk your life for others, risk yourself, your health, ready to sacrifice yourself for a higher purpose, the salvation of other people. An already committed act of self-sacrifice is considered heroic. Fighting spirit is part of courage, and courage is patience in danger, that is, the ability to cast aside uncertainty, the fear of killing people, fear for one’s own life, and fulfill the task.
    3. Montrey
      -1
      April 5 2015 22: 39
      Read books and learn a lot. But in fact, the one and how you draw nonsense, anywhere. Can you clean the guns with bricks ?? And what ?! So they say the same.
  3. Far Republican
    0
    April 4 2015 08: 15
    Time will tell who would not want someone but pass away, otherwise the brain cannot be set right for them.
  4. +10
    April 4 2015 10: 10
    And what do we have in the training units? Also so? Or even cooler? Or does the committee of nulliparous mothers interfere again ... or do they feed poorly? I mean that the initial training, or as they said earlier, the commissioning of a newly arrived replenishment in our army requires review. Qualified instructors are required to do the training, and often senior staff or contract soldiers, or unfortunately untrained junior officers (from those who teach lift upside down on fingers). Yes, and the time for training 1 year is very, very small. who would not say anything. So everything is still ahead! Yes ... and you shouldn’t underestimate the rangers and other soldiers of the potential enemy, you need to carefully study the enemy. And we already had hatred ... in the initial period of the war ... A blessed memory to the heroes who laid down their heads for Our Fatherland!
    1. +2
      April 4 2015 22: 59
      Quote: astronom1973n
      And the time for training 1 year is very, very small., Who would not say that
      The namesake, the article is about professionals - nobody will teach such conscripts, and they won’t stand it! Re-read - the junior officers and sergeants are trained, the level of the platoon commander. So it’s incorrect to pull our conscripts here.
  5. +7
    April 4 2015 10: 44
    Well ... no need to compare their rangers with our motorized rifle ... especially conscripts. Conscripts are a simple reserve. Let those who served in the Airborne Forces sooner ... let them compare their own and their training. All the same, their special forces cannot be underestimated ... among them there are also rules of men. And our deadline needs to be reviewed ... (stupidly cannon fodder now) ... and transferred to a prepared reserve (shooting and tactics without a breath ... the whole year) ... with the cancellation of all postponements (well, except for psychos) ... and again at five years old all for a month ... all. For now it is impossible to train fighters ideally on new equipment for a year or two. And then it gets harder and harder ... the 21st century, after all. And by the way ... about sergeants ... contract soldiers ... our company commander basically did not take them for himself ... he said - I know ... what kind of "sergeants" these are ... and conscripts, as they said, once in three years he gave someone stripes ... few people deserved it. For we do not train instructors. So you need to take an example ... and not throw money ... just to make a plan.
    1. +2
      April 4 2015 17: 01
      Quote: Alexander S.
      Well ... do not compare their rangers with our motorized riflemen ... especially conscripts. Conscripts are a simple reserve

      But what about the tanker Mylnikov, who was 2 months in the army and eventually became the youngest hero of Russia.
      http://www.rg.ru/2008/10/23/reg-ural/mylnikov.html
      There are only 4 ways to win:
      1) Using technological excellence
      2) Using numerical superiority (soldiers, equipment)
      3) Through training, military skill (including high discipline)
      4) By trick
      1. +1
        April 5 2015 06: 19
        Suvorova A. In you should read!
      2. 0
        April 5 2015 18: 30
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        There are only 4 ways to win:

        Does this mean one of these? ..
        Maybe you meant that ALL THESE ARE THE COMPONENTS necessary for Victory all at once? what
        1. 0
          April 6 2015 16: 08
          Quote: avia1991
          Does this mean one of these? ..
          Maybe you mean that ALL THESE ARE THE COMPONENTS necessary for Victory all at once?

          If you do not have a technical or numerical advantage or any of the above, then they can be compensated for by other 4 advantages that will help to win.
          For example, the enemy has more people, better weapons, better trained soldiers. But you have a spy at their headquarters that changes the outcome of victory (trick).
          Another example of an enemy is a numerical advantage, but you have an advantage in more advanced weapons.
          The enemy has an advantage in more advanced weapons and numbers, but they are poorly trained unlike your soldiers and it is ineffective in their hands.
          If you have at least one advantage out of 4, you have a chance to win.
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            April 6 2015 18: 35
            I read in one book - the one who is willing to pay a big price wins
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              April 6 2015 19: 56
              Quote: bamsik
              I read in one book - the one who is willing to pay a big price wins

              This is a philosophy, not a military position. Logic which implies cynically throwing people right and left, in other words, victory at any cost. An intelligent strategic commander should strive to reduce the price of victory whenever possible, using more advanced military technologies, clever tactics, training personnel, and in fighting clashes, try to gather as many people as possible in order to take the enemy and reduce personnel losses. It is dangerous to inflate the price of victory and put pressure on the civilian and military, as the people can break down and the war will be lost. All the same, people have a limit.
          2. 0
            April 6 2015 23: 32
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            If you have at least one advantage out of 4, you have a chance to win.

            It is clear what you mean. You are not a strategist hi - I'm sorry, but this is a fact. You are not talking about Victory, but about achieving tactical success in a private clash. If we are talking about a full-scale war, then you can win it only if you have at least three of the advantages you cited. Plus two more MAIN:
            - high morale of your army
            - waging a war for their own Freedom and Independence, for the liberation of the territory of their homeland.
            At the same time, for the sake of a peaceful future, the enemy must be destroyed - i.e. wiped off the face of the earth! And if you have to cross the ocean for this, we will cross it. soldier
            1. +1
              April 7 2015 01: 27
              Quote: avia1991
              It is clear what you mean. You are not a strategist - I'm sorry, but this is a fact. You are not talking about Victory, but about achieving tactical success in a private clash.

              Well, I don’t admit the Academy of the General Staff, only there they teach strategic command from a division and above. Everything that is taught in schools and military departments is limited to the general tactics and tactics of the types of troops (tactics of the Air Force, tactics of the Navy, etc. etc.), that is, depending on the military academy. That knowledge that is given in military departments and schools is enough to command a military unit up to and including regiment during the USSR (now up to and including brigade).
              Quote: avia1991
              If we are talking about a full-scale war, then you can win it only if you have at least three of the advantages you cited.

              Victory in war is the sum of victories in individual battles.
              Quote: avia1991
              Plus two more MAIN:
              - high morale of your army

              High morale is determined by military successes and bringing these military successes to the personnel and the rear (if there is a full-scale war and the rear is actively involved). These military successes are nothing but a victory in separate battles.
              Quote: avia1991
              - waging a war for their own Freedom and Independence, for the liberation of the territory of their homeland.

              This is one of the motives that contribute to strengthening high morale, appealing for which ensures the selfless fulfillment of duty to the motherland.
              Quote: avia1991
              At the same time, for the sake of a peaceful future, the enemy must be destroyed - i.e. wiped off the face of the earth! And if for this you have to cross the ocean - we will cross it

              This is somewhat ambiguous, did you mean that the army of the enemy was wiped off the face of the earth? Or the complete destruction of the country (consider genocide), as regards the second, I would like to remind you that there were two types of citizens in fascist Germany. Some were ardent fascists who fully shared their ideology, and were ready to carry out anything, any crime. Others tried to survive somehow, and survive all this, did not commit atrocities.
              1. 0
                April 7 2015 21: 41
                Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                only there they teach strategic command from a division and above.

                Not only. But this is not important, in fact.
                Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                the knowledge that is given in military departments is enough to command
                Will not be enough. No military department gave military education - only scientific and technical personnel, no more.
                Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                Victory in war is the sum of victories in individual battles.
                By your logic, strategic planning is just a collection of tactical operations plans request In life, the opposite is true.
                Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                High morale is determined by military successes and bringing these military successes to the personnel and rear
                Complete, sorry, nonsense!
                According to your theory, high morale is in principle unattainable in peacetime .. You want to say that the spirit appears only during the war, and ONLY subject to certain successes of your army formations. So? And if they are not? If the army is retreating under the onslaught of the superior enemy at the moment ?! Such an army is doomed ?!
                Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                This is one of the motives that contribute to strengthening high morale, appealing for which ensures the selfless fulfillment of duty to the motherland.
                That is, the words of the Military Oath, pronounced in peacetime the oath given to the Motherland, examples of the valor and courage of the ancestors - does this, in general, matter in the formation of the "high morale" of the personnel? Do we need aggression and the seizure of our territory in order to appeal to the consciousness of the fighters, and to bring to life this notorious spirit, which will suddenly come from somewhere?
                You know, reserve lieutenant, I, in general, can understand what you are trying to say. But the way you say it makes me discouraged recourse
                You, perhaps, imagine what morale, Honor, military valor is - that was always inherent in Russian soldiers, and ensured their victory over any enemy who tried to attack our homeland.
                But there are many readers who, thanks to the efforts of the Ministry of Education and Science, the government, various NGOs, pseudo-historians, etc., don’t even realize that it turns out that one can give one’s life for one’s homeland, and that there are people who believed - and still do! - it's an honor! And when they read your interpretation - I'm afraid they will be completely confused request
                Have a sense of responsibility for speaking - This, if you will, is a manifestation of a civic position, of what we have long ceased to be taught .. hi
                1. 0
                  April 8 2015 00: 59
                  Quote: avia1991
                  Will not be enough. No military department gave military education - only scientific and technical personnel, no more.

                  I know two military men who graduated from the military department and subsequently became lieutenant general. It is not necessary to consider that people who have graduated from a military department are inferior in some respects to regular military personnel. After graduating from the department and going to serve, you can calmly rise to the rank of colonel and command a brigade (yes maybe at first you won’t feel as confident as a regular soldier, but you’ll gain experience over time), but if you want more you need to graduate from the General Staff Academy to command a division.
                  It was about an obstacle to further advancement; it’s impossible to finish, say, a military school and bypassing the General Staff Academy to receive the rank of Major General and to receive submission to the division.
                  Quote: avia1991
                  By your logic, strategic planning is just a collection of tactical operations plans. In life, the opposite is true.

                  The main difference between tactics and strategy is that strategic issues include, in addition to resolving military tasks, logistics and supply issues. In tactics, industrial issues are limited only by what resources are directly needed to win in a separate battle (performing a tactical operation).

                  Quote: avia1991
                  Complete, sorry, nonsense!
                  According to your theory, high morale is in principle unattainable in peacetime .. You want to say that the spirit appears only during the war, and ONLY subject to certain successes of your army formations. So? And if they are not? If the army is retreating under the onslaught of the superior enemy at the moment ?! Such an army is doomed ?!

                  No in peacetime, morale is determined by the economic, scientific, sporting, etc., etc. achievements of the country. I read somewhere that after Gagarin’s flight, labor productivity increased, because people were stunned and overwhelmed with emotions (I think that you saw the chronicles, how Gagarin was honored after the first flight, I think this will never happen again, well, maybe only when we start interstellar flights).
                  About the retreat. I’m not talking about this, military successes in wartime are one of the motives that raise and strengthen morale, but by no means the only one. There is also religion, stories about the deeds of our ancestors in the war, a reminder of the family, in the context of protecting them from adversary.
                2. 0
                  April 8 2015 00: 59
                  Quote: avia1991
                  That is, the words of the Military Oath, pronounced in peacetime, the oath given to the Motherland, examples of the valor and courage of the ancestors - does this, in general, matter in the formation of the "high morale" of the personnel? Do we need aggression and the seizure of our territory in order to appeal to the consciousness of the fighters, and bring to life this notorious spirit, which will suddenly come from somewhere?

                  For many, the words of the oath, especially among conscripts, mean nothing, hazing is widespread. Do you really think that a soldier who shifts all work to a young man, humiliated him and scoffed, during the war he is ready to throw himself under a tank with a grenade? If you are morally low in peacetime, it is unlikely that in wartime a person is potentially capable of heroism. Most likely, he will also hide behind young people only already in a combat situation, which is dangerous. Morale is always where to develop, it is difficult to say how the military relates to the oath and what is in his head, so not only read the oath and hope that this is enough. The maintenance of morale needs to be constantly worked on, especially in wartime.
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                April 7 2015 22: 56
                Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                Quote: avia1991
                At the same time, for the sake of a peaceful future, the enemy must be destroyed - i.e. wiped off the face of the earth! And if for this you have to cross the ocean - we will cross it

                This is somewhat ambiguous, did you mean that the army of the enemy was wiped off the face of the earth? Or the complete destruction of the country (consider genocide), as for the second, I would like to remind

                I made this in a separate comment, because your statement is a vivid example of the fact that you do not think about those fragile minds that can read your judgments, and are slightly confused.
                What I mean: You ask the question: "did you mean to destroy the enemy's army ..?" And how do you determine what an ENEMY is? Why do you share the enemy - and his army ?! If the enemy is not only the one who is at war, but also the one who helps the belligerents, then it is necessary to destroy both those and those. If the enemy is Bandera, "forest brothers" and other donkies, then it is necessary to engage in their destruction to the last vy.rod.ka! Otherwise, how do you imagine this victory: to destroy the army, and leave the enemy whose army is defeated ?!
                I expressed myself, in my opinion, quite clearly: THE ENEMY SHOULD BE DESTROYED. This does not mean that it is necessary to destroy those who, by the will of their geographical location, nationality, have appeared next to our Enemy - but not our enemy. And do not be offended - it’s not for you to explain to me what it was like in fascist Germany! My veteran grandfather clearly explained everything, and I was old enough to adequately perceive this story.
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                  April 8 2015 01: 09
                  Quote: avia1991
                  Our statement is a vivid example of what you do not think about those fragile minds that can read your judgments, and slightly confused.

                  It is not necessary to think that there is a total weak immutable subject to influence as in a sect. If you read an article on the Internet about events in Ukraine in the context of the Maidan, this does not mean that your position will change by 180 degrees.
                  Quote: avia1991
                  What I mean: You ask the question: "did you mean to destroy the enemy's army ..?" How do you generally define what an ENEMY is? Why do you divide the enemy - and his army ?!

                  The enemy is the command, and the highest ranks in power. Take for example fascist Germany, the leadership went on trial, some higher military ranks, from among the rank and file officers of the Wehrmacht troops, only the most frostbitten went on trial. I mean that in fascist Germany among the civilian population there were silent spies who were afraid to raise their heads and lived in fear of reprisal. They did not share Hitler’s ideas, they just lived, went to the factory to work, the children went to school.
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                  April 8 2015 01: 13
                  Quote: avia1991
                  Otherwise, how do you imagine this victory: to destroy the army, and leave the enemy whose army is defeated ?!

                  And what is the enemy. This is the military leadership and the highest military ranks, well, the lower military ranks, who did not just shoot in the war, but tortured people at the end of the camps and committed atrocities. Are civilians working at, say, an enemy tank factory, considered enemies and must be destroyed?
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                  April 8 2015 01: 15
                  Quote: avia1991
                  And do not be offended - it’s not for you to explain to me what it was like in fascist Germany! My veteran grandfather clearly explained everything, and I was old enough to adequately perceive this story.

                  Unfortunately, my great-grandfather died in the war, from his own bomb. The positions passed either to the Germans or to ours, as a result, ours seized the positions, but the aviation did not report and our planes bombed their own positions. My great-grandfather was in the dugout when a bomb hit him.
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                    April 9 2015 01: 39
                    Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                    Unfortunately, my great-grandfather died in the war, from his own bomb

                    Sorry. My second grandfather also died, in Latvia, already in the 44th. It is doubly insulting, so to speak, to die from the fire of our own comrades ... however, confusion has occurred at all times and in all wars. Modern conflicts abound with examples.
                    Honor and Glory to those who died for their Motherland, and Honor and Glory to WINNERS soldier
                    As for the rest of your comments, there is too much disagreement in your comments. Regarding the academy: not only the General Staff Academy gives graduates the right to the position of division commander - but not a single military department, in the absence of an additional course of study at a specialized military university, gave the right to become such a commander. Zamom - perhaps. At the very least, you had to finish SHOT.
                    Of the remaining messages, I will answer only one thing:
                    Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                    The main difference between tactics and strategy is that strategic issues include, in addition to resolving military tasks, logistics and supply issues

                    I have never met such an "original" remark in my life! In general, strategy is distinguished by solving global issues, and tactics - local. In other words, if you have snot, Strategy cures you of the flu - and Tactics wipes your nose.
                    In general, I wonder where you got such a philosophy, which can be traced in the last comments? what I have such a bitchy suspicion that "at the very" military department! And - you’ll forgive me, it’s quite possible that you’re a classy specialist in your business - BUT: it’s good that you are a LIEUTENANT of the reserve. But not the general ..
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                      April 9 2015 09: 19
                      Quote: avia1991
                      I have never met such an "original" remark in my life! In general, strategy is distinguished by solving global issues, and tactics - local.

                      This is already understandable about the global local one, I tried to explain from the point of view of what issues the commander decides in tactical and strategic planning. I will explain differently, during the war, the headquarters dealt with strategic issues in the war, which, in addition to directly planning operations of the fronts, were engaged in logistics for the evacuation of defense plants, monitored the supply of fronts with new weapons (tanks, airplanes), but tactics were limited only to the local planning of military operations , excluding rear issues, so to speak.
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                      April 9 2015 15: 37
                      Quote: avia1991
                      it’s good that you are a stock LIEUTENANT. But not the general ..

                      Well, now you can rise to the rank of colonel if you go to the training camp ...
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                        April 9 2015 22: 20
                        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                        Well, now you can rise to the colonel of the reserve

                        Can. Only a reserve colonel will not be able to replace a combat colonel - it takes years of daily service to gain real experience as a commander of this level.
                        In the end, I believe that each of us remained with his own. But given that we are not the top officers of the General Staff, the Russian Armed Forces will not suffer from this lol
                        And thank God!
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                        April 9 2015 23: 24
                        Quote: avia1991
                        Can. Only a reserve colonel will not be able to replace a combat colonel - it takes years of daily service to gain real experience as a commander of this level.

                        In peacetime, no, but in war it can be. At the military departments they teach general tactics, a motorized rifle platoon, a battalion, a regiment, all military high schools in the first training cycle, so to speak, just in case.
                        About experience, this is how to say I remember during the war. Stalin appropriated general ranks to the commanders of partisan detachments, but they generally did not study anywhere.
                        Also, my grandfather was the director of the state farm, practically did not serve in the army (in the 50s they commited with pneumonia, someone stole tarpaulin boots left holes full of holes, well, he had pneumonia and ended up in the hospital from which they later commissated), so he was given Soviet power Immediately awarded the title of captain (when he became director of the state farm), although he did not finish school or military department, though he had a higher education. I don’t know why, maybe then they thought that if the Cold War went hot, whole villages would go to partisans, and the director of the state farm needed epaulettes ...
                        In general, for 3 years I had items:
                        First cycle (year of study)
                        1) Military regulations
                        2) General tactics (tactics of a motorized rifle platoon, battalion, regiment, armament of the Russian army, as well as tactics and armament of a potential enemy of the US army, Germany)
                        3) RCBZ
                        4) Topography
                        5) Drill
                        The second and third years of study are specialization:
                        Cash allowance and budgeting (posting money debit credit)
  6. +14
    April 4 2015 11: 01
    Minus not minus but the preparation they had and remains at a very high level. And the hap-handed comments like "yes they have no fighting spirit !!" keep to yourself. Potential adversary DO NOT underestimate! Well, more pictures could be added in the article, because there are quite a lot of them on the Internet
    1. +5
      April 4 2015 11: 24
      yes nobody seems to underestimate. I don’t see a particularly high level here - or for a high level to consider that a sergeant (we take an average cadet) passes the standard for assembly-disassembly-repair in the field - and what did he do before becoming a sergeant? I didn’t hold weapons in my hands? or did his sergeant not teach him?
      but fighting spirit is also not to be discounted. Yes, it will come in handy only in extreme situations, but it can play a decisive role.
      preparation is normal, but I agree that it is too short
      1. +6
        April 4 2015 14: 45
        short-term? do you even imagine yourself in this process? see how much they sleep, what time they get up, when and how they eat. and this is against the background of stresses. Not only physical loads, but moral stress builds up over two months. At this pace and a half months behind the eyes, or loosen the regimen.
        let’s say we practiced lifting at seven o’clock. not at six, namely at seven, and this was not done by chance. sleep should be fully necessary. As for nutrition, this is also an important topic. Yes, you don’t need to limit it, because you yourself won’t eat too much .a make up the right diet is important.
        so I don’t think that for this mode the time is short
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          April 4 2015 15: 59
          short-term? do you even imagine yourself in this process? see how much they sleep, what time they get up, when and how they eat. and this is against the background of stresses. Not only physical loads, but moral stress builds up over two months. At this pace and a half months behind the eyes, or loosen the regimen.
          Yes nuuu, but how did you serve as "spirits" in the Soviet Union? Moreover, you should know all the fighting for "yat", and all the support hangs on you, the kitchen, order in disposition, in units, etc.
          1. +3
            April 4 2015 16: 03
            Do you want to say that you served in this regime for two years? At the same time you didn’t eat periodically for a day, or did you get up for the first meal after 14 hours, got up at five in the morning and did 20 hours a day?
            I will not believe.
            By the way, I thought that you did not find the Union)
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              April 4 2015 17: 04
              Do you want to say that you served in this regime for two years? at the same time you didn’t eat periodically for a day, or the first meal after 14 hours.
              Pfff, the first 3 months of the KMB stupidly shit and that was a problem, only it seems like you have to settle down again somewhere to run. Sometimes the whole company could not eat for 2 days "You can't move quickly, so you don't need to eat", that's the whole meal.
              got up five in the morning and did 20 hours a day?
              When I did not go to bed at all, they lifted from 23.00 to 6.00 every other day with a march, with a check, etc. in full combat. There was also such a funny game 5.45 that it was easy to run into. I had to do anything on the principle of "whatever I do, just to get lured" from learning military disciplines to waving a shovel at the canteen - which was perceived as manna from heaven. It was stupid to sit down on the ass and managed to sit only after 8 months, when our grandfathers left.
              By the way, I thought that you did not find the Union)
              The Union I did not find it true, but its residual influence from the people who made him fully felt.
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                April 5 2015 06: 10
                I had about the same in Borzi)))! It’s just possible that Gleb was more fortunate!
        2. -2
          April 5 2015 18: 54
          Quote: Gleb
          see how much they sleep, what time they get up,

          Well, and what time?
          The school day starts at 5.00 and ends at 14.00. Meal is provided after class.
          And where is the overpressure?
          What you remember happens on separate days, several days per course. And as for the sum of physical and moral stress, with malnutrition and lack of sleep - so let me remind you: in Afghanistan, guys without any special training, SO lived for months! And the threat there was real, not training.
    2. s1н7т
      +5
      April 4 2015 13: 33
      If I correctly reflected, the graduate of these courses is one per company / platoon / squad in the regular infantry (tanks, aircraft, etc.). What is the use of his climber training if his company is on the plain and even in the program there is no such training? laughing We already said about the assembly / disassembly of standard weapons - some kind of nonsense laughing Their "Claymore" is our MONK, they were once studied in any reconnaissance company of the regimental, and in our country they were undermined (and not only them). Every intelligence officer knew how to use the cipher pad. 15m swimming with a weapon is too small, we swam 25. The fire card for the Heavy is a funny problem. laughing In short, nothing special. True, I have long served sad But at that time we were not "doing" these "courses", but quite the "Rangers" from the 75th regiment, and a comrade with a staff unit went with "berets" to compete - also so-so. But now, I don’t know, the last "kashnik" quit with the disbandment of the Asbestos brigade.
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        April 4 2015 14: 45
        Duck, what to expect? A scout and ranger are one and the same, in their parts usually sergeant posts, or scouts. units from reconnaissance platoon bat-a and higher. The whole difference - I am engaged in air assault operations, including up to bat (a 75 pp).
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        April 4 2015 17: 06
        Theirs Claymore is our monk copied! only better of course! And our preparation (of the Russian Federation) compared to the USSR is a complete mess. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!
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          April 5 2015 11: 08
          I don’t know the modern preparation, I spoke about the Soviet one when I served. And who claymore copied from anyone - a separate issue laughing
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        April 4 2015 20: 03
        Quote: c1n7
        What is the use of his climber training if his company is on the plain and even in the program there is no such training?

        Climbing is in many ways akin to high-altitude training, the elements of which are clearly present in the training process at the infantry school in Fort Benning, which may be necessary during operations in the mountains and when landing from helicopters. In addition to light infantry units, dismounted motorized infantry units can safely participate in maintaining DBs in mountainous conditions, in amphibious and airmobile operations, as far as I remember from military history, ordinary infantry did not disdain such operations. For example, the conduct of air assault (airmobile) operations is supported by the inclusion of a helicopter brigade * with 54 transport and assault helicopters in each combined arms division of the SV (obviously, not only delivering ammunition and ammunition).

        * 110/116 helicopters, the difference in the ratio of AH-64 Apache in "light" (24) and "heavy" (48) divisions, in "light" - 30 OH-58 Kiowa (12 reconnaissance and strike OH-58D Kiowa Warrior), 42 UH-60 Black Hawk, 8 medical evacuation HH-60, 12 CH-47 Chinook.
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      April 5 2015 06: 16
      And who is yelling that we are their one left?
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      April 5 2015 18: 49
      Quote: FAZE
      their training was and remains at a very high level

      Explain why, as soon as we talk about the soldiers of America, our "who are younger" immediately begin to sing praises: "Oh, America - EVERYTHING is better there!"
      А on what basis do you issue such statements? Have you watched the Americans in battle? Did you fight against them? Did you compete with them ?!
      Do you know that our airborne team, at international competitions of special forces, beats ALL in all respects, taking first place? Do not know?! Then WHAT IS YOUR STATEMENTS BASED ON?! ..
      No one is going to underestimate the enemy! But you should not overestimate it either. Otherwise, you run the risk of coming to the conclusion that "you need to lift your legs up as soon as they attack!" There were such people at the beginning of World War II, even with such an assignment they sent in so that Soviet soldiers would surrender .. usually these were allowed to flow immediately.
      As for training, we have platoon commanders trained at military schools. It is the graduates of these schools and it is worth comparing, for that matter - the article clearly states that the candidates are a link of junior commanders, the level of platoon commander. Do you even remotely imagine what a "killer machine" graduate of the Ryazan Airborne Force School ?! And at what level is his combat skills, and what kind are they ?! NO?! Then how are you going to compare? Knowing NOTHING about the training of our fighters of the same level, and about the preparation of TECH knowing only the Old from the read article! And as with the time standards, with the quality of training, etc. etc.? This article is a fact-finding article: it reports ABOUT the training PROGRAM - but does not give an idea of ​​how well this training is going on.
      So - take it easy: in the Russian land there are fighters who can adequately respond "even to such a terrible enemy for you"!
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    April 4 2015 15: 39
    It's time for robots to join our army. Then no mega-training will help the Americans.
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      April 11 2015 11: 53
      okay, minus comrades, replace robots with clones)
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    April 4 2015 15: 40
    the entire American program is to create universal soldiers. But she does not teach the philosophy of a warrior.
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    April 4 2015 16: 08
    It seems like the M60 is no longer relevant, maybe the M240? The article is not enough real numbers, so it’s difficult to judge ...
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    April 4 2015 20: 20
    Quote: Gleb
    Do you want to say that you served in this regime for two years? At the same time you didn’t eat periodically for a day, or did you get up for the first meal after 14 hours, got up at five in the morning and did 20 hours a day?
    I will not believe.
    By the way, I thought that you did not find the Union)


    well, half a year for sure, butter and bread are edible from the diet in the morning, the rest is difficult to call a full-fledged diet, and work-work-work, unless sleep within 8 hours +/-, then, of course, easier, since the new call takes on a big part of work
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      April 5 2015 06: 13
      8 +/- sleep you are very lucky ..)))) 6 hours, and mostly minus ..))) like this, we had about eight months!
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    April 4 2015 22: 31
    - Addition to the material on the rangers from 5 November 2011goda?
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      April 4 2015 23: 51
      No, the article from the magazine is scanned.
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    April 5 2015 11: 14
    Quote: k_ply
    Climbing is in many ways akin to high-altitude

    What a horror! belay Those. on the "storm ladder" (or as it is called now) to descend from the helicopter - the same as on the rock? laughing drinks Do you get knowledge from "wiki"?
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      April 5 2015 11: 37
      On the storm ramp ?! - what a horror! and where do you get this from? on the halyard, my dear friend, on the halyard.

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