How Stalin defeated the "fifth column" and saved the people from defeat in the Great Patriotic War

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How Stalin defeated the "fifth column" and saved the people from defeat in the Great Patriotic War

One of the main merits of Joseph Stalin was the elimination of the “fifth column” on the eve of World War II. Therefore, when the Hitlerite "European Union" attacked the Soviet Union, our enemies could not destroy the Red Army, causing a military insurrection and a series of uprisings in the Soviet rear. The Soviet Union turned out to be a single and powerful monolith, and not a “colossus with feet of clay,” as our enemies mistakenly believed.

Imagine that Trotsky won in the USSR with his idea of ​​"super-industrialization" or Bukharin with the idea of ​​developing a new economic policy. In the first case, Russia would have been overwhelmed, especially given the waste of mass of forces on the "world revolution." In the second case, when the country had to continue to develop in an evolutionary, mainly agrarian way, purchasing equipment and technology abroad for gold, other values ​​and grain, during World War II, industrially developed and militarized Japan and Germany would simply crush the agrarian with the beginnings of the USSR industry . During the war with Germany, supplies of equipment and technologies on her part would be blocked, stocks quickly ran out, and possible supplies from England and the United States did not cover all needs. Its industry was in its infancy and could not provide the Red Army with everything necessary. As a result, the disaster was secured. The motorized Wehrmacht easily destroyed the inactive Red Army in border battles and captured Leningrad and Moscow, Japan captured the Far East. The implementation of the plans of Hitler's Germany (and the founders of this project) to eliminate the super-ethnos of the Rus from the planet Earth would begin.

At the same time, when World War II began, if Stalin had not eliminated the “fifth column”, the country could have a military rebellion led by Tukhachevsky and other disloyal Soviet authorities commanders, pests of all stripes struck at different levels of the military organization.

In Central Asia, there remained the gangs of basmachs, which, when the Wehrmacht attacked Leningrad, Moscow and Kiev, would have struck in Central Asia and created an enemy bridgehead in the rear. On the territory of Western Ukraine, Bandera (Ukrainian nationalists) are organizing an anti-Soviet uprising on the eve of the war. As a result, the losses of the Red Army will increase, and the advance of the Wehrmacht in the south-western strategic direction will be easier.

In the Baltics, the Forest Brothers will hand over information to the Germans about the location and strength and numbers of units of the Red Army units in the region and will hit the rear of the Soviet troops. As a result of the joint operation of the Wehrmacht and the Baltic nationalists, supported by local national authorities, who did not “clean out” before the war, the Baltic States would fall instantly. Leningrad will not have time to prepare for defense. The USSR in the shortest possible time will lose the second capital.

The state apparatus infected with corruption, as well as the party apparatus, full of “Trotskyists” and “right deviators”, paralyze the activity of the state and party machinery with the outbreak of war. Officials and party members will be engaged in saving their skin and embedding it in the “new reality”, the masses will go to the service of the invaders. The system of work of the rear and railways will be paralyzed, the evacuation of industry, reserves and valuables from the western regions of the country will be disrupted. Red Army will be deprived of supplies weapons, ammunition, food, fuel and other materials. The formation of new divisions and militia will be torn down. It is clear that in such a situation the Red Army, despite the heroic resistance of individual formations, and the skillful actions of part of the generals, will be doomed to defeat.

Thus, it is obvious that the presence of the “fifth column” in the Soviet Union would have led to the guaranteed defeat of the USSR-Russia and the death of the Russian civilization. However, Stalin and his comrades, thanks to a series of attacks on the “fifth column”, were able to avoid the realization of this terrible scenario.

More information about the elimination of the "fifth column" in Stalin's USSR can be read in a number of works, for example, in the books of A. Sever "The Mystery of Stalin's Repressions", "Stalin against the" degenerates of the Arbat ". 10 Stalin strikes on the "fifth column", "Stalin's Anti-Corruption Committee", "The Great Mission of the NKVD", V. Kozhinova "The Truth of Stalinist Repressions", D. Lyskova "The Forbidden Truth About" Stalinist Repressions ". “Children of the Arbat” are lying! ”, G. Smirnov“ Cleansing the army ”and the works of other authors who restore the true history Stalin's empire.

One of the examples of the liquidation of the “fifth column” in the USSR was the fight against Basmachis. Little is known about this, but all the 1920-1930s in the USSR were tensely fighting against basmachis (from the Turkic “Basmak” - “to raid, attack”). This Islamist gangster movement emerged after the 1917 revolution of the year in the territory of Turkestan and after the national disengagement, continued in the territories of modern Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Kyrgyzstan. Basmacy consisted of three main elements - gangsters together with professional “mercenaries”, feudal nobility and reactionary clergy, dissatisfied with the loss of control over the local population, which means loss of money flows. The external forces that were interested in Basmachis were Turkish and British intelligence services. It was Ankara and London that not only financed the Basmachis, but also supplied modern weapons, provided military advisers, consultants on various issues. One of the leaders of the Young Turkish Party “Unity and Progress” and Turkey during the First World War Enver Pasha was one of the most famous Turkish politicians who tried to lead the Basmachs of Bukhara and Khiva and parts of Turkestan. In February 1922, led by Enver Pasha, the Basmak troops captured Dushanbe, then occupied almost the entire territory of Eastern Bukhara and much of the west of the emirate. However, the Red Army defeated the Basmachis. Enver Pasha was hacked to death in battle.

After the middle of the 1930-s all the major Basmach forces were destroyed and their leaders died or moved away from active work, they emigrated, the situation in the region was not yet completely stable. Security officers regularly recorded cases of murder or assassination, sabotage and sabotage. Killed rural communists, activists of the Soviet government. With the help of deliberate arson, the fields of grain crops were destroyed, the property of state and collective farms was destroyed. The struggle against the inveterate Basmachi went on - the Basmachis invaded from the territory of Afghanistan and China. On the eve of the war, anti-Soviet elements in Central Asia became more active, the number of invasions from the territory of Afghanistan and China increased (China at that time was not a state with a single power and did not control the border). British intelligence continued to carry out anti-Soviet activities in adjacent territories, supporting forces hostile to the USSR. Only after the start of the war with Germany did Britain freeze its anti-Soviet activities in the region and even helped the USSR fight German agents.

Even before the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, German intelligence had intensified its activities in the territory of Afghanistan. For this, German specialists and instructors who worked in construction sites, enterprises, in the Afghan army and educational institutions were used. German intelligence participated in the creation of gangs of white immigrants and Basmachs. They committed armed provocations on the Soviet border, attacked border guards and tried to invade our territory. Initially, the German leadership actively recruited anti-Soviet leaders to create from them, after the occupation of Central Asia by the Wehrmacht, the future occupation administration, which would allow Germany to master these lands. After finally failing the idea of ​​a “blitzkrieg”, Berlin tried to organize a series of major uprisings in Central Asia with the help of the Basmachis. However, the separatists could not organize a major uprising. Their structures were crushed.

In addition, the Germans created military and reconnaissance units from among Soviet citizens - people from the Caucasian and Central Asian republics. In Berlin, the so-called "Turkestan National Committee" was created, with its help they formed the "Turkestan Legion". But these formations did not have much combat significance. Mostly these national formations were used to fight the Yugoslav, Italian and Albanian partisans.

Thus, in the pre-war years, the Soviet government was able to deliver a decisive blow to the Basmach movement, and it could not, even with external support, organize a major uprising in Central Asia. Not only the activities of the Chekists, border guards and the Red Army, but also socio-economic, cultural and educational growth in Central Asian regions played a major role in this matter. Soviet power was beneficial to the overwhelming majority of the population of Central Asia, bringing them security, order, stability, prosperity and growth of cultural and educational potential.

In a similar way, Moscow acted in Western Ukraine and in the Baltic States. In 1939, thanks to Stalin, Ukraine received the current borders - the central and eastern regions were merged with the western ones. The main adversary in the west of Ukraine was the OUN - the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists. The first attempts to organize an anti-Soviet uprising in Western Ukraine were carried out by the OUN fighter at the end of 1939. Chekists foiled her by arresting gangsters near 900.

Since the beginning of 1940, the breakthroughs of the Ukrainian militants have been intensified, behind which stood German intelligence agencies operating from the territory of Poland occupied by Germany. By the spring of 1940, about 1 thousand thugs had penetrated the territory of the USSR. At the end of spring - the beginning of summer 1940, a new anti-Soviet uprising was appointed in Western Ukraine. However, the KGB learned about this and delivered a preemptive strike, arresting hundreds of militants, most of them were leaders at various levels. The maximum blow was inflicted on Lviv, Ternopil, Rovno and Volyn organizations. A large number of weapons were seized. The uprising was stalled.

The OUN leadership moved it to the fall of 1940 of the year. And again, the security forces delivered a preemptive strike! In August-September, more than 1 thousand thugs were arrested, about a hundred of underground groups and organizations were liquidated, a large number of weapons were seized. Uprising again foiled. It was revealed that the Ukrainian nationalists hoped that after the uprising they would receive the help of foreign forces. It is also worth noting that, thanks to the effective activity of the Soviet law enforcement agencies, it was possible to prevent a surge of banditry in the territory of Western Ukraine in the 1940 year.

In the winter of 1940-1941, the KGB delivered a new blow to the Ukrainian nationalist-gangster underground. About 1 thousand people were arrested. OUN management tried to compensate for the loss by sending a new asset. During the winter of 1940-1941, over one hundred attempts were made to break through the state border of the USSR, most of which ended in failure for the OUN fighters. At the beginning of 1941, the OUN began to prepare a new uprising. Terrorist activities have intensified, the number of acts of sabotage and sabotage has increased. However, the Soviet law enforcement agencies foiled an attempt to revolt in Western Ukraine on the eve of the war. Hundreds of gangsters and militants were arrested and convicted, hundreds were evicted, some were killed during the arrest. During 1940-1941 of the year, 400 from emissaries arrived from abroad were arrested, 200 reconnaissance and sabotage groups that tried to break through the border were eliminated.

In the same way and very effectively, quickly and decisively, the Soviet leadership acted in other directions. Stalin and his comrades struck powerful and crushing blows at various detachments of the “fifth column”, which made it possible to avoid serious problems in the rear during the Great Patriotic War.
How Stalin defeated the "fifth column"

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  1. -77
    April 3 2015 05: 40
    The article is a dummy! And who is this "fifth column"? Bacillus or aliens?
    1. -22
      April 3 2015 06: 37
      Quote: SarS
      An article is a dummy!

      This is not curious, this article can be immediately sent to a certain "collection", the author is curious :-) I remember how his articles, one after the other suffered from multiple vectors, so you can generally ignore his opuses.
      1. +27
        April 3 2015 08: 12
        saag (2
        And your opus, what gradation to let?
        ! 1-without attention,
        2-like a joke,
        3-like something with little relevance
        4-like basic ignorance of the material
        5-as an attempt, idle talk disavow the opinion of the author.
        Which item is closer to you?
        1. -25
          April 3 2015 10: 03
          Quote: vladkavkaz
          And your opus, what gradation to let?

          Oh, are you trying to flatter me? No, I’m not Lukashenko and especially not Putin :-)
          1. +17
            April 3 2015 10: 18
            Quote: saag
            Quote: vladkavkaz
            And your opus, what gradation to let?

            Oh, are you trying to flatter me? No, I’m not Lukashenko and especially not Putin :-)

            You are Goebbels, Chubais and an ally of Bandera.
            1. -17
              April 3 2015 10: 24
              Quote: valokordin
              You are Goebbels, Chubais and an ally of Bandera.

              Phi, how primitive it is to stamp shortcuts, I didn’t think that you would roll up to this, I am ashamed of you, sir
              1. +3
                April 4 2015 00: 02
                Goshpodin saag. Please stop verbiage here!
          2. +4
            April 3 2015 23: 59
            saag. Oh yeah ! You are not Lukashenko, and even less so Putin! You are just verbiage and in my opinion the representative of the "Fifth Column"! So draw conclusions "goshpodin" marshal.
    2. +39
      April 3 2015 07: 31
      the fifth column were those who, posing as Russian communists, worked for Western capital, the simplest example was the Russian communist and atheist Trotsky, who in reality was a Jewish nationalist and Jewish bronstein, who was so atheist that he erected a monument to Judas Iscariot, so communist that he was a direct relative of the families of Jewish bankers, and as Russian as Russian could be a bronshtein.
      well, to the heap, the same number includes the tuyeva heap of deviants of all stripes, read Klimov. The old man may have overdone it, but he described the essence of the revolutionaries correctly.
      1. +8
        April 3 2015 10: 01
        That's for sure. Klimov unequivocal respect.
      2. -11
        April 3 2015 14: 08
        L.D. Trotsky created the Red Army and led the RCA throughout the civil war.
        1. +1
          April 3 2015 22: 02
          Minus those who do not know the history of the civil war in Russia.
        2. +2
          April 3 2015 22: 06
          And history has put everyone in their rightful places! One spoonful of tar spoils a whole barrel of honey!
        3. +2
          April 3 2015 22: 28
          So, what is next? Vlasov also fought for his homeland until 1942, and then betrayed it.
        4. +2
          April 3 2015 22: 28
          Quote: Vadim2013
          L.D. Trotsky created the Red Army and led the RCA throughout the civil war.

          I know zaminusuyte! But LEARN the story! Trotsky really created the Red Army and led the army, and personally traveled to dangerous sections and achieved success! Although for me personally Trotsky, Bukharin and so on are the enemy of Russia!
          1. +1
            April 4 2015 00: 49
            But without Trotsky — the whites would have defeated the Bolsheviks, and would have destroyed them, I can imagine what kind of struggle there was for power — they were biting like dogs, even anathema of their comrades-in-arms, yes, the Bolsheviks were taut with decency. Trotsky saved us- -but still he is an enemy - iron logic.
        5. 0
          April 4 2015 03: 46
          Quote: Vadim2013
          L.D. Trotsky created the Red Army and led the RCA throughout the civil war.

          So it’s like that, only what kind of battles did he win or did he plan operations?
          But the infamous became famous:
          Paying the German General Staff for the sealed car, Trotsky offered Russia an original way out of the "imperialist war": "Neither war, nor peace, but to dissolve the army." This proposal was not liked even by V.I. Lenin, whom no one could reproach for the lack of political cynicism and unprincipledness
          One minus Iosif Vissarionych-operation "Duck" was carried out late, this is when Trotsky was decided
          1. +1
            April 4 2015 05: 03
            The battles and operations were won not by L.D. Trotsky, but by officers and generals, whom he drew to the Red Army. Half of the officers of Tsarist Russia, including the General Staff, fought in the Red Army.
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      4. RAA
        -4
        April 3 2015 20: 59
        Super stupidity.
    3. +5
      April 3 2015 10: 13
      A dummy in your head, get out of here, if your father finds out that you were engaged under his name on the site, he will perform and put in a corner.
    4. +10
      April 3 2015 10: 16
      Quote: SarS
      The article is a dummy! And who is this "fifth column"? Bacillus or aliens?

      These words are said by the enemy of the people of Russia, an ally of the Nazi.
      1. -17
        April 3 2015 12: 14
        Everyone plays chikists, looking for enemies of the people. Not tired?
        1. +27
          April 3 2015 14: 15
          Quote: RUSS
          Everyone plays chikists, looking for enemies of the people. Not tired?

          Hehe .. funny .....
          The thing is that Stalin, in spite of 30 years of "anti-Stalinism", is the most relevant political figure. An analysis of his ideas, thoughts, theory and practice allows us to conclude that he really was the greatest figure in the political arena of the 20th century. Mongrels trying to spit their poison in the direction of Stalin's legacy, and thereby become publicized, get the opposite effect of contempt and oblivion.
          First of all, it is necessary to study the works of Stalin, this will lead to an understanding of the processes taking place in the modern world, about its political and class structure. The theme of the ongoing class struggle is very important, Stalin's insight is astounding in this sense.
          The author of course +! I would like more objective articles and materials about I.V. Stalin.
          1. +2
            April 3 2015 17: 42
            Kollontay was still a whore ...
            1. +5
              April 3 2015 21: 14
              Quote: kalibr
              Kollontay was still a whore ...

              Oh, what a prankster. Compared to the current whores, among the democrats and wives of effective managers and members of the democratic elite, Alexander Kolontay is just a virgin.
              1. -1
                April 4 2015 14: 30
                She studied ...
          2. +2
            April 3 2015 19: 25
            Stalin, of course, is a controversial figure. But with the fifth column he went too far clearly. All the prominent figures are understandable, but what does the lower commanders, workers, and peasants have to do with hundreds of thousands. But for the class struggle, you need a leader from your own, and with us the leaders of the opposition are thieves, then do not understand what.
          3. RAA
            -5
            April 3 2015 21: 04
            Stalin is our misfortune and for a long time we will dissolve that bloody mess that he made.
            1. +7
              April 3 2015 21: 18
              RAA
              Stalin is your misfortune ..
              Yeah, who are YOURS?
              And what kind of bloody porridge that you and others like you have brewed that the whole country has been sowing since the 90s has to do with Stalin now?
          4. 0
            April 5 2015 02: 19
            I agree with your comment.
            I’ll add a picture here:
            (In the browser, it may be hard to see what is written, but if you save it to a computer, then everything is read, there is no higher resolution.)
        2. +1
          April 4 2015 07: 02
          Do you, RUSS, want to play the Enemy of the People ?? Very interesting!
      2. RAA
        -5
        April 3 2015 21: 01
        You are already a Nazi.
        1. +3
          April 3 2015 21: 20
          RAA
          Judging by your comments, you’ve gotten a shot like that, you did it all around, Stalin is not good here, Putin is bad there, and who are YOURS that are so good?
    5. +6
      April 3 2015 10: 26
      I recommend looking at the Stalinist "repression"
      1. +6
        April 3 2015 14: 19
        Quote: Bonham
        I recommend looking at the Stalinist "repression"

        Rustamov's film
      2. +3
        April 3 2015 22: 22
        What kind of repression? On the scale of this huge country’s population, the percentage of repressed is insignificant! This is either a system error, or those who really deserve it! After all, even looking for an excuse for their worthlessness in the civil service is already a crime! This is just fraud! And given those heroic times when, after imperial poverty, the economy literally in the hands of the working people was gaining momentum. This was a crime! Do not know how, take a pickaxe, there is no need to be able to! But if you undertook to lead, you already have to be seven spans in your forehead !!! Or a hole in the forehead! With such liberals as they are now, that war would not have been won! And there is nothing to regret what you did not do! And they would never do!
    6. +15
      April 3 2015 10: 29
      "" On July 9, 1928, Joseph Vissarionovich remarked in his speech: "... as we move forward, the resistance of the capitalist elements will increase, the class struggle will intensify, and the Soviet power, whose strength will grow more and more, will pursue a policy isolation of these elements, the policy of disintegrating the enemies of the working class, and finally, the policy of suppressing the resistance of the exploiters, creating the basis for further advancement of the working class and the bulk of the peasantry.
      It is impossible to imagine that socialist forms will develop, crowding out the enemies of the working class, and the enemies will retreat silently, giving way to our advancement, that then we will advance forward again, and they will retreat again, and then "unexpectedly" without exception social groups, both fists and the poor, both workers and capitalists, will find themselves “suddenly”, “imperceptibly”, without struggle and anxiety, in the bosom of a socialist society. Such tales do not exist and cannot exist at all, in the atmosphere of the dictatorship of the proletariat - in particular.
      It has never been and never will be that the obsolete classes voluntarily surrender their positions without trying to organize resistance. There has never been and will not be that the advancement of the working class towards socialism in a class society could do without struggle and anxiety. On the contrary, the advance towards socialism cannot but lead to the resistance of the exploiting elements to this advance, and the resistance of the exploiters cannot but lead to the inevitable aggravation of the class struggle.
      That is why it is impossible to lull the working class with talk of the secondary role of the class struggle ... ”(Stalin I. Works, vol.11. M., 1949, p.171-172).
      1. -21
        April 3 2015 11: 26
        After reporting for hitting you with a rubber truncheon on the ribs, you will feel that you want me to be! And tell in detail how you wanted to blow up the railway in order to harm our country!
        1. +3
          April 3 2015 13: 14
          Quote: kalibr
          After reporting for hitting you with a rubber truncheon on the ribs, you will feel that you want me to be! And tell in detail how you wanted to blow up the railway in order to harm our country!

          break off.
          I’m self-respecting this is not enough, but for the proud of this a lot.
        2. +4
          April 3 2015 13: 22
          Quote: kalibr
          After reporting for the sake of hitting you with a rubber stick in the ribs


          Comrade kalibr, where did you find such persuasion methods? I doubt that you had a chance to experience it yourself in the "bloody dungeons of the NKVD and KGB" in the years described by the author. Who told you about this? Svanidze or Mikhalkov?
          1. +3
            April 3 2015 16: 31
            Solzhenitsyn describes such a method in his "Gulag Archipelago".
          2. -3
            April 3 2015 17: 43
            Father who worked in the organs ...
            1. +5
              April 3 2015 18: 28
              Quote: kalibr
              Father who worked in the organs ...


              Ay yy yy comrade kalibr, I hope he prayed for his sins, and you prayed for him?
            2. 0
              April 3 2015 22: 37
              In the organs of the OUN?
        3. -2
          April 3 2015 13: 41
          Before you beat, you must first find the one to beat.
          1. +2
            April 3 2015 20: 48
            Quote: 1234567890
            find the one to beat.

            This is the simplest, harder to find who not to beat.
        4. -1
          April 3 2015 22: 25
          Do not whine, until that time you do not care! You look more closely at the time, and as if hair would stand on end from all stripes of perverts!
    7. +5
      April 3 2015 11: 54
      5th column ??? !! So this is you. Everyone who is against the development of RUSSIA and trying to lie under the west.
      1. +1
        April 3 2015 13: 18
        Quote: I am
        5th column ??? !! So this is you. Everyone who is against the development of RUSSIA and trying to lie under the west.

        unfounded allegations are not welcome on this site.
        gather evidence from comments, justify their hostility.
        and why immediately pro-Western?
        we and other parts of the world have few friends
        1. -6
          April 3 2015 13: 55
          Quote: Vasya
          Quote: I am
          5th column ??? !! So this is you. Everyone who is against the development of RUSSIA and trying to lie under the west.

          unfounded allegations are not welcome on this site.
          gather evidence from comments, justify their hostility.
          and why immediately pro-Western?
          we and other parts of the world have few friends


          And they have everything simple and old as the world, who is not with them is against them.
          1. +4
            April 3 2015 15: 03
            RUSS (2
            Are you for Chubais? Nemtsov? Kudrin? Gaidar? Svanidze? Radzinsky, who killed the girl and escaped with a fine of two million?
          2. +1
            April 4 2015 00: 17
            Russ. Similarly, those who are not with YOU are against YOU!
    8. -11
      April 3 2015 14: 01
      Before the war, qualified personnel of the army and industry were destroyed. Therefore, the reckoning came, the tragic 1941 year. Therefore, the peoples of the USSR had to pay very dearly for victory in the Second World War.
      1. 0
        April 3 2015 18: 38
        Vadim2013
        This nonsense expressed by you, in what institute do you teach this?
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        2. -1
          April 3 2015 19: 46
          The appointment of the unprepared Dmitry Grigoryevich Pavlov as the commander of the troops of the Western Special Military District (ZAPOVO) and Mikhail Petrovich Kirponosk as the commander of the forces of the Kiev Special Military District clearly demonstrates this.
          1. +2
            April 3 2015 19: 53
            Vadim2013
            NOT PREPARED ???
            He graduated from the 24th Omsk Infantry School named after the Comintern (1922), the Military Academy. M.V. Frunze (October 1925 to June 1928) and academic courses at the Military Technical Academy (1931).

            In early 1923, the 6th Altai Separate Cavalry Brigade, in which D. G. Pavlov served as assistant regiment commander, was transferred to the Turkestan Front. Beginning in February 1923, as the head of the fighter detachment, he fought against the Basmachi detachment of the Kurbashi Turdybai in the Khojent region, and since August in East Bukhara he commanded the 77th Cavalry Regiment in battles against the detachments of Ibrahim-bek, Al-Nazar, Barot, Khodman, Khadzhi-Khadzhi Ali.

            Since 1928 - commander of the cavalry and mechanized regiments, commander and commissar of the mechanized brigade. In the years 1936-1937, during the Spanish Civil War, he fought on the side of the republican government as a "Soviet volunteer", was the commander of a tank brigade and received the name "Pablo" among the Spaniards. Since 1937 - Member of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of the 1st convocation. At the 18th Congress, the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks was elected a candidate member of the Central Committee. Since November 1937 - Head of the Armored Directorate of the Red Army. Since June 1940, the commander of the troops of the Western Special Military District. June 4, 1940 awarded the rank of Colonel-General of Tank Forces. February 22, 1941 awarded the rank of army general.
            1. +3
              April 3 2015 22: 13
              He was the commander of the cavalry and mechanized regiments, the commander and commissar of the mechanized brigade. There is no experience in commanding large military units: corps, armies.
              1. 0
                April 3 2015 22: 26
                Skobelev
                Well? What does this prove?
                The mess in the district, how does he justify the fact that being the Commander of the district made such a catastrophe?
                Since November 1937 - Head of the Armored Directorate of the Red Army. Since June 1940, the commander of the troops of the Western Special Military District. _WHAT was he doing at the post? SLEEP? FIR? He was hanging around the theaters?
        3. +1
          April 3 2015 19: 46
          The appointment of the unprepared Dmitry Grigoryevich Pavlov as the commander of the troops of the Western Special Military District (ZAPOVO) and Mikhail Petrovich Kirponosk as the commander of the forces of the Kiev Special Military District clearly demonstrates this.
          1. 0
            April 3 2015 19: 54
            Vadim2013
            NOT PREPARED?
            From October 1922 to September 1923 he worked as an assistant chief for the political part of the Kharkov School of Red Elders, after which he left for Moscow to study, where he graduated from the MV Frunze Military Academy of the Red Army in 1927, after which he was appointed commander battalion in the 130th Bogun rifle regiment.

            In December 1928 he was appointed to the post of assistant chief and head of the training unit of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee Military School of Red Elders in Kharkov, in April 1929 - to the post of assistant, and in January 1931 - to the post of chief of staff of the 51st Perekop Rifle Division.

            In March 1934 he became the head and military commissar of the Tatar-Bashkir Joint Military School named after the Central Executive Committee of the Tatar Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, soon renamed the Kazan Infantry School named after the Supreme Council of the Tatar Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic.

            October 26, 1935 Mikhail Petrovich Kirponos was awarded the rank of brigade commander [1].

            By his own admission in his 1938 autobiography, he took an active part in exposing the enemies of the people and in the struggle against the opposition. Always adhered to the general line of the party. [2]

            November 4, 1939 was awarded the title of Comdiv.

            MP Kirponos.jpg
            He took part in the Soviet-Finnish war. In December 1939 he was appointed commander of the 70th Infantry Division (7th Army). In early March 1940, the division made a 6-day tour of the Vyborg fortified area on the ice of the Gulf of Finland and knocked Finns out of the fortifications on the northern shore of the Vyborg Gulf, cutting off the Vyborg-Helsinki road. Soon, the division repelled several dozen enemy counterattacks, crowding him out and creating a threat from the rear to his forces in Vyborg, which largely ensured the rapid success of other units during the assault on Vyborg.

            By a decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of March 21, 1940, for the skillful command of the division and the heroism shown in battles, Mikhail Petrovich Kirponos was awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union with the award of the Order of Lenin and the Golden Star medal.

            In April 1940 he was appointed commander of the 49th Rifle Corps, and in June of the same year - to the post of commander of the troops of the Leningrad Military District.
      2. +2
        April 3 2015 22: 39
        You are talking nonsense. You didn’t even open statistics for all these people. Suddenly your template will break from the fact that in fact everything is not as the Russophobe Radzinsky told you on TV.
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    10. +4
      April 3 2015 19: 40
      This is all the "elite" of the 90s, which crawled out of all cracks and stole the USSR. Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Gaidar, etc. by the list. Traitors are traitors in whatever clothes they dress. And now they shit and steal wherever they can.
    11. +1
      April 3 2015 19: 40
      This is all the "elite" of the 90s, which crawled out of all cracks and stole the USSR. Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Gaidar, etc. by the list. Traitors are traitors in whatever clothes they dress. And now they shit and steal wherever they can.
    12. +2
      April 3 2015 22: 25
      And who is this "fifth column"? Bacillus or aliens?

      There were several levels, from banal henpecked and whores, to alarmists and pests.
      Check out for a general understanding of the situation.
    13. +1
      April 3 2015 22: 29
      About the fifth column was first found out during the Civil War in Spain in 1936. I advise you to find out about it by reading at least something on the topic.
    14. +1
      April 4 2015 01: 47
      When a country embarks on such a sharp U-turn that Russia allowed itself in 1917, the pros and cons of such a U-turn could practically be equivalent in their mass character. The peoples were united in a certain majority by the need to resist the ideology of fascism - the right of one nation to complete domination over the life and death of other peoples. Russia, as a real force capable of stopping universal slavery under the yoke of the "chosen ones," has turned out to be that attractive center to which people who are really freedom-loving in good have been drawn and continue to be drawn. Repression without trial and investigation did not rally, but "drove" into fear, which is also a kind of slavery, inhibiting free rational development.
    15. itr
      0
      April 4 2015 04: 41
      Even Stalin said that the people won the war.
      Article to say the least strange
  2. +28
    April 3 2015 05: 44
    The so-called fifth column is an internal enemy. It lingers with them as now it’s a stab in the back, God forbid, if war happens. Although now even in peacetime, these pogans are like a worm in an apple. Living in a country that nurtured them and spit in the soul of the people from all the bell towers, these are not people, this is evil that somehow needs to be eradicated.
    1. -12
      April 3 2015 09: 11
      Quote: YURMIX
      The so-called fifth column is an internal enemy. It lingers with them as now it’s a stab in the back, God forbid, if war happens. Although now even in peacetime, these pogans are like a worm in an apple. Living in a country that nurtured them and spit in the soul of the people from all the bell towers, these are not people, this is evil that somehow needs to be eradicated.

      Dear, Such a question for you: how can you distinguish five-columners from ordinary people? Do they go with tags? And what if your neighbor on the landing, to whom you, for example, did not give up your place in the elevator, got angry that he would knock you in the NKVD that you supposedly listening to the BBC at night, they’ll definitely take you. How will you feel in the dungeons: an innocent victim or an enemy of the people?
      1. +5
        April 3 2015 10: 16
        For reference: The internal enemy is determined by his actions against the motherland, which are identified by the investigating authorities. The internal enemy always manifests itself, you just need not to doze off. Now the fifth column is blooming and smelling, and the investigators have no end. Do not listen to bibisi and they will not come to you.
        1. +10
          April 3 2015 10: 26
          Quote: Mareman Vasilich
          The internal enemy is determined by his actions against the motherland, which are identified by the investigating authorities.

          Yeah, now give an assessment to the government of the Russian Federation, which is not concerned about the restoration of industry, the focus is on the banking system, import redirection, and the President of the Russian Federation gives a positive assessment to this very government
        2. +2
          April 3 2015 11: 05
          Quote: Mareman Vasilich
          For reference: The internal enemy is determined by his actions against the motherland, which are identified by the investigating authorities. The internal enemy always manifests itself, you just need not to doze off. Now the fifth column is blooming and smelling, and the investigators have no end. Do not listen to bibisi and they will not come to you.

          I have a question for you - is N. Vavilov also an enemy of the people? According to the materials of the investigation, 400 times within 1700 hours investigator Khvat interrogated the scientist to exhaustion --- these are the methods used by the investigating authorities to identify internal enemies, and the people's artist G. Zhzhenov writes in his memoirs: the investigator grabbed my hair and beat my head against the wall , on the advice of the inmates, I cut my hair baldly, to which the investigator expressed his indignation at the next meeting. Do not try to hang noodles to people who do not know. Yes, you probably still live at 37 --- now in the yard, 2015 - and for listening , foreign radio stations are no longer "sodut".
          1. 0
            April 3 2015 13: 29
            Quote: semirek
            Quote: Mareman Vasilich
            For reference: The internal enemy is determined by his actions against the motherland, which are identified by the investigating authorities. The internal enemy always manifests itself, you just need not to doze off. Now the fifth column is blooming and smelling, and the investigators have no end. Do not listen to bibisi and they will not come to you.

            I have a question for you - is N. Vavilov also an enemy of the people? According to the materials of the investigation, 400 times within 1700 hours investigator Khvat interrogated the scientist to exhaustion --- these are the methods used by the investigating authorities to identify internal enemies, and the people's artist G. Zhzhenov writes in his memoirs: the investigator grabbed my hair and beat my head against the wall , on the advice of the inmates, I cut my hair baldly, to which the investigator expressed his indignation at the next meeting. Do not try to hang noodles to people who do not know. Yes, you probably still live at 37 --- now in the yard, 2015 - and for listening , foreign radio stations are no longer "sodut".

            @
            Vavilov is the enemy.
            but stupid.
            we will not take his throwing in batches.
            we will not take his denunciations
            take not targeted spending of state funds.
            In addition, genetics is still the basis of Nazism, and at that time there were no atomic microscopes, but we still use the Lysenko selection
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            2. explorer
              -1
              April 3 2015 14: 01
              Add about Vavilov:
              The executioner's court. Nikolai Vavilov in the dungeons of the NKVD. Biographical sketch. Documents. // Compilers Rokityansky Y. G., Vavilov Yu.N., Goncharov V.A. - M .: Academia, 1999,
              - Yakov Grigoryevich Rokityansky (June 12, 1940, Kiev - May 5, 2013, Moscow) - Russian historian and publicist. Candidate of Historical Sciences.
              He graduated from the History Department of Moscow State University (1967). He worked in the sector of the works of K. Marx and F. Engels of the Institute of Marxism-Leninism under the Central Committee of the CPSU (1967-1991). Browser of the journal "Bulletin of the Russian Academy of Sciences" (since 1991). Member of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation (1998). Anti-Stalinist.

              This is because the documents about the victims of repression were drawn up in the 80-90s very biased.
            3. 0
              April 3 2015 15: 50
              Quote: Vasya
              Quote: semirek
              Quote: Mareman Vasilich
              For reference: The internal enemy is determined by his actions against the motherland, which are identified by the investigating authorities. The internal enemy always manifests itself, you just need not to doze off. Now the fifth column is blooming and smelling, and the investigators have no end. Do not listen to bibisi and they will not come to you.

              I have a question for you - is N. Vavilov also an enemy of the people? According to the materials of the investigation, 400 times within 1700 hours investigator Khvat interrogated the scientist to exhaustion --- these are the methods used by the investigating authorities to identify internal enemies, and the people's artist G. Zhzhenov writes in his memoirs: the investigator grabbed my hair and beat my head against the wall , on the advice of the inmates, I cut my hair baldly, to which the investigator expressed his indignation at the next meeting. Do not try to hang noodles to people who do not know. Yes, you probably still live at 37 --- now in the yard, 2015 - and for listening , foreign radio stations are no longer "sodut".

              @
              Vavilov is the enemy.
              but stupid.
              we will not take his throwing in batches.
              we will not take his denunciations
              take not targeted spending of state funds.
              In addition, genetics is still the basis of Nazism, and at that time there were no atomic microscopes, but we still use the Lysenko selection

              Some sort of crap.
            4. +1
              April 4 2015 22: 42
              So the answer is sensible.
          2. +6
            April 3 2015 17: 25
            Quote: semirek
            I have such a question for you --- and N. Vavilov is also an enemy of the people?

            Only the lazy one did not pull this speckled ace out of his sleeve. I will ask you a counter question - what were the scientific merits and contribution to science (the very genetics) N. Vavilov? There is no need to talk about his brother S. Vavilov: anyone, even a novice physicist, is familiar with his fundamental work in the field of X-ray emission. And what did his brother bring to science? Very dubious theories about the primacy of heredity, up to the complete denial of the factor of education? It is not surprising that his theories found such a lively response in Nazi ideology (even the Slavic root of these views did not muddy the Aryans), and Mr. Timofeev-Resovsky worked at the Nazi research institute on genetic projects. It’s even scary to think what these "studies" could lead to, if they were correct, and the fascists - the winners.
            1. +3
              April 3 2015 18: 59
              What are your merits? Institutes named after you? and they just don’t appropriate them. You have primitive reasoning from ignorance of the issue - and you have to carry nonsense regarding the construction of the Aryan nation and Vavilov’s connection as a genetics. And since you don’t know who Nikolai Vavilov is, I’ll remind you
              VIR Director (created by N. Vavilov)
              Director of the Institute of Genetics (created by N. Vavilov)
              founder and first president Vashnil
              one of the leaders of the global genetic movement
              Chairman of the Geographical Society
              according to minimum estimates, held 18 different scientific and administrative posts
              1926 Lenin Prize Laureate
              Nikolai Ivanovich Vavilov is the largest Russian biologist, the founder of the internationally recognized teachings on the biological principles of breeding and centers of origin of cultivated plants. He has collected an invaluable, original collection of seeds of the globe.
              In Mexico, India, Pakistan, China, during the so-called "green revolution" in 1946-66, scientific discoveries and developments of N.I. Vavilov were used, these countries managed to increase grain yields by more than 2 times. the post-war period --- for obvious reasons, these ideas were not in demand. Moreover, when the scientist was arrested, the NKVD workers destroyed the manuscripts: "fight against diseases by introducing resistant varieties"; "field crops of the USSR"; "crop production in the Caucasus"
              1. +6
                April 3 2015 19: 20
                Wah wah wah !!! Thank you, wise one, otherwise I myself wouldn’t find a list of organizations in the same Wikipedia, of which Mr. Vavilov was an honorary member. I’m actually talking about the SCIENTIFIC CONTRIBUTION to the development of genetics, and you told me about his notorious expedition (I didn’t specifically talk about it, I knew that such a defender would not pass by it). The scientific value of the collected collection is zero point, zero point. This was recognized a long time ago (obviously, by default) by the genetics of the whole world, as well as the fallacy of Vavilov's ideas about the influence of genes on the formation of an individual. His theory was very simplified and, therefore, completely erroneous. This fact is quite explainable from the point of view of the level of knowledge of that time, but even so, not a single country in the world has come up with such stupidity as a collection of genes. Successes in the application of genetic engineering became possible only decades later, when they found out the basic mechanisms of gene action (in particular, transgenic influence). Then it became clear that the theories of the 30's, to put it mildly, were deeply erroneous. However, your post says the same thing: you, as always in disputes, did not cite any pseudo-scientific facts, just a set of letters and truths that have long been known to everyone.

                As for the scientific substantiation of the superiority of the Aryan race over all the others, I am familiar with these works quite well. There is no place, no time, no opportunity to talk here about these works (including genetic ones - for some reason you did not say anything about Timofeev-Ressovsky, and he is one of Vavilov's students), but in "Ahnenerbe" the state money of the Reich They didn't spend on flies with colored eyes to satisfy scientific curiosity.

                I do not claim that Vavilov was a Nazi and a racist, but you should not make a titan of world genetics from him either.
            2. 0
              April 3 2015 19: 37
              Quote: Alex
              Very dubious theories about the primacy of heredity, up to the complete denial of the factor of education?

              Natural Lysenkoism, it’s just amazing how the way of thinking is repeated
              1. +5
                April 3 2015 20: 06
                Quote: saag
                Natural Lysenkoism

                Hanging labels is also a fairly common stamp. However, I’m not talking about that (over the years in science I’ve got used to this level of “argumentation”), please, give at least five signs that distinguish “Lysenkoism” from “Vavilovism”. And at the same time, also briefly, is the essence of N. Vaviov's theoretical views. But only VAVILOV, and not the general provisions of genetics, and even at the current level of its development. And then you don't want to argue about anything.
                1. +2
                  April 3 2015 20: 28
                  Quote: Alex
                  And at the same time, also briefly, the essence of the theoretical views of N. Vaviova

                  Do you need his report "The Law of Homological Series in Hereditary Variability"? "Interpretation of NI Vavilov. Species and genera genetically close are characterized by similar series of hereditary variability, with such accuracy that, knowing a number of forms within one species, one can foresee the finding of parallel forms in other species and genera. The closer the relationship, the more complete the similarity in the ranks of variability. "

                  "since the mid-1930s, Vavilov and his collaborators were involved in 'discussions' on the problems of genetics and selection, which quickly ceased to be scientific and were reduced to persecution of a scientist. The first open public confrontation imposed by TD Lysenko and his associates , happened in 1936 at the session of the All-Union Agricultural Academy, where the Lysenkoites, demonstrating their "achievements", accused genetics of practical and theoretical worthlessness. It was entirely demagogic, but precisely calculated political provocation, which had grave consequences (you can learn more about the development of genetics in Russia learn from the book: Dubinin N.I. History and tragedy of Soviet genetics - M .: Nauka, 1992.
                  ... Lysenko's theoretical platform was Lamarckism, the concept of the inheritance of acquired traits. He used them, creating a "doctrine" about the breeding of the necessary varieties and properties by "educating" plants and animals by changing environmental conditions and calling it "Michurin biology". At the same time, the existence of genes, mutations, chromosomes was denied. Soon, promising to quickly restore agriculture, Lysenko became the favorite of the head of state. And Stalin believed him, believed more than the greatest scientists. "
                  1. +5
                    April 3 2015 22: 31
                    That's right, one of Vavilov’s most cited reports. But I asked you not one phrase from it, but the PROVISIONS OF HIS THEORY. The fact that the related species have a similar morphology was also understood earlier (although this is true, it’s rather cautious, Darwin said that). But what next? Do not bother, Vavilov did not say anything that would confirm his supposedly great genius. And he could not speak, because genetics in those years was generally taking shape as a science. She did not have any scientific apparatus, methodology or scientific school. Which, by the way, is quite natural. Just climbing with your very problematic theories and even more so getting into a dispute with pragmatic breeder practitioners without being able to answer very specific questions is an example of not the most correct behavior. So it is not surprising that the discussion quickly lost its scientific character - there was no science there then.

                    So where did Lysenko's views begin? What methods of "nurturing" plants did he suggest? Breeding frost-resistant varieties? What's utopian about that? Or, on the contrary, drought-resistant? Also not a binomial of Newton. Moreover, Lamarck quite successfully argued with Darwin, and genetics still does not give a strictly unambiguous answer to some questions of evolution. In particular, what is the reason for the hyperexponential rate of evolution? With the random nature of the variability of the genetic code (and this is precisely the cornerstone of Darwinism), it should have the form of an exponent or a polynomial. I'm not even talking about the fact that the key principle of genetics - what is true for a fly is true for an elephant - has now been significantly modified (this is about transgenic influence). Well, let's leave Lysenko's political curtsies on his conscience (purely human, not scientific). Moreover, Nikolai Ivanovich, too, did not differ in particular political (and even human) cleanliness.

                    So do not quote me non-fiction books, for me this is not an argument. At one time I gave a course of lectures on biochemistry to students of the agronomical and zoological faculties of the Lugansk Agricultural Institute, so I know the scientific side of the issue, it seems to me, better than you.
                    1. 0
                      April 4 2015 06: 02
                      Quote: Alex
                      So where did Lysenko's views begin? What methods of "nurturing" plants did he suggest? Breeding frost-resistant varieties? What's utopian about that? Or, on the contrary, drought-resistant? Also not a binomial of Newton.

                      Well, it was written "... He used them, creating a" doctrine "about the breeding of the necessary varieties and properties by" educating "plants and animals by changing environmental conditions and calling it" Michurin biology. "At the same time, the existence of genes, mutations, chromosomes were denied. "
                      That is, methods of environmental exposure were proposed in order to obtain more resistant varieties, but without understanding the mechanism of influence on plants, because the existence of genes, mutations, chromosomes, etc. was not recognized, it seems to the scientist how you position yourself that is written quite clearly.

                      Quote: Alex
                      At one time I gave a course of lectures on biochemistry to students of the agronomical and zoological faculties of the Lugansk Agricultural Institute, so I know the scientific side of the issue, it seems to me, better than you.

                      It's not for me to judge

                      "So you don't need to quote me popular science books, that's not an argument for me."
                      Are you an experimenter?
                      1. +3
                        April 4 2015 10: 55
                        Quote: saag
                        Are you an experimenter?
                        In the field of chemistry, yes. To biology and biochemistry was related more academic than experimental.

                        The rest is clear: erudition, even wide, cannot replace knowledge. The common phrases repeated by you are nothing new and I have lost interest in this conversation.
          3. +1
            April 4 2015 00: 34
            Ivan Ivanovich. And you don’t know that scum like these investigators suffices in all times of the people's life. Some for money, some for the sake of a career and some just out of stupidity, like that, they become scum.
            1. 0
              April 4 2015 01: 05
              The investigator does the work --- that is needed at this stage: either to increase the detection of pickpocketing, or to force the academician to sign a confession --- the methods are the same as now.
          4. 0
            April 4 2015 22: 41
            You did not carefully study the affairs of these people. Did Rezun, Solonin, Mlechin, Svanidze and the like say it to you?
        3. 0
          April 3 2015 11: 27
          After reporting for hitting you with a rubber truncheon on the ribs, you will feel that you want me to be! And tell in detail how you wanted to blow up the railway in order to harm our country!
        4. +1
          April 3 2015 21: 10
          Quote: Mareman Vasilich
          Do not listen to bibisi and they will not come to you.

          Do not have an extra room in the apartment; cars, better than a neighbor's, or just cars; do not eat the cake with spoons; relatives under 17; theirs, but abroad; TV; a beautiful wife; faithful wife; smart (beautiful) children; money in a savings bank; decent salary; just a salary, but higher than that of Mareman Vasilich; lack of inclination to binge; lack of vodka, when a neighbor really needs it - this list can be continued indefinitely - and a "kind" neighbor (a colleague, a relative, and simply a "not indifferent") will make the appropriate "Knock", and then picking up the 58th is a matter of technology. Or you can just by different order and do not need to think that someone is protected. And about Stalin and the 5th column - so he was the most important 5th column, despite the actions of which the people of the Soviet Union were able to withstand the Great Patriotic War.
          PS: specifically for you, Mareman Vasilich, "disbelief in the strength of the Motherland" (like my grandfather) is very suitable for you, since you use enemy means - a computer, the Internet, software; or "failure to report", because you know for sure that
          Quote: Mareman Vasilich
          Now the fifth column is blooming and smelling, and the investigators have no end.
          , but you are hiding specific facts (or are you not hiding? admit it), which means you are an accomplice. In addition, you urge obvious enemies not to listen to the BBC, and, accordingly, obstruct the work of the investigating authorities. So, a dozen shines for you and five years "on the horns", and even "ten years without the right of correspondence", if you know what that means.
      2. ivan.ru
        0
        April 3 2015 10: 37
        "by their deeds you will recognize them" - so somehow
      3. 0
        April 3 2015 15: 11
        Why is it so primitive ??? !!!! It is said ** ... judge them by deeds ** ---- which will be done, and the words ---- it is a shaking of the air ....
      4. 0
        April 4 2015 00: 28
        Here is Ivan Ivanovich. You gave an example of the so-called Stalinist repressions.
    2. 0
      April 4 2015 00: 23
      I agree with you, Yuri, oh, how I agree.
  3. +2
    April 3 2015 05: 57
    How Russians will not differ from the peoples of the whole world! After all, for some 20 years they have to listen to how: They keep silent about Stalin, they swear Stalin, they exalt Stalin; mix with the earth Beria - give it its due; they expel Solzhenitsyn, appoint him as a Prophet, want to forget about him, etc. How Zadornov laughed: "Please give me that elephant over there." - points to the Soviet toy. Saleswoman: "This is not an elephant!"
    - What about?
    - It reads the instructions - Chapaivets with a machine gun!
  4. +3
    April 3 2015 06: 02
    Quote: SarS
    The article is a dummy! And who is this "fifth column"? Bacillus or aliens?

    Aliens are from the realm of speculation and fiction, approaches the definition of varieties of bacilli, prevention is the surest means.
  5. +15
    April 3 2015 06: 06
    Today the situation is reminiscent of the 40s in many ways. And much will depend on the will of our top political leadership. Whether they can or not.
    1. -8
      April 3 2015 09: 13
      Quote: fvandaku
      Today the situation is reminiscent of the 40s in many ways. And much will depend on the will of our top political leadership. Whether they can or not.

      And what does it remind of? I don’t see parallels.
    2. 0
      April 3 2015 13: 43
      Quote: fvandaku
      Today the situation is reminiscent of the 40s in many ways. And much will depend on the will of our top political leadership. Whether they can or not.

      you probably don't know the story very well.
      Unfortunately, we have the mid-20s.
      agricultural production in the hands of private owners
      industry is ruined, and the current Trotsky and Lenin were handed over to concession
      enemies around
      inside there are a lot of currents: Trotskyists (world revolution), Bukharinites (all for agriculture), etc. still a bunch of nationalists supported by foreigners.
      Stalin could not completely cope with this outrage.
      GDP will also not be able (alone)
      revolution from above and below will converge in the middle. on the so-called creacles (i.e. people who do not produce anything and do not know how)
      1. -3
        April 3 2015 15: 53
        Quote: Vasya
        Unfortunately, we have the mid-20s.
        agricultural production in the hands of private owners
        industry is ruined, and the current Trotsky and Lenin were handed over to concession

        there, like the mid-20s, Lenin died in 1924, but how could the Trotsky Commissar for Military and Naval Affairs say something could be handed over to the concession?
        1. 0
          April 3 2015 22: 44
          As a kind of parallel - Gaidar was in the government from November 91 to December 92 - and is still to blame. (As a life observation - Putin has been ruling for 15 years, but is still not to blame for anything)
  6. +4
    April 3 2015 06: 42
    History repeats itself ... well, then everyone knows.
  7. +8
    April 3 2015 06: 53
    The article is like a banal speech at a rally - about everything at once and about anything specifically just a propaganda poster. I see no reason in such scriptures. Sensible people and so well understand what. In the history of our country of that period or of our days, everything is ambiguous, there is a lot of controversy and it is not reasonable to use only two colors - black or white. And it’s wise to analyze specific facts, events, using different sources and opinions. And this is the only way to understand the logic of events and find the truth!
  8. +3
    April 3 2015 06: 59
    It only remains to be regretted that our KGB officers slammed their ears and allowed the Maidan ... and they piss on enemies, both internal and external, and the enemy understands force only force ... And why our diplomats stand in a pose of a sow, they always make excuses. ..
    1. +4
      April 3 2015 11: 32
      Probably there are good reasons for this, eh? And again ... Stalin wiped out the 5 column — well done, won the war, and his prince Khrushchev presented the Crimea and wasn’t friends with the head, like other flakes, but in the end, where is the country created by his genius? Ahhhh? Nope
    2. +2
      April 3 2015 13: 49
      Quote: Rom14
      It only remains to be regretted that our KGB officers slammed their ears and allowed the Maidan ... and they piss on enemies, both internal and external, and the enemy understands force only force ... And why our diplomats stand in a pose of a sow, they always make excuses. ..

      or maybe it was necessary to show in reality what could happen to us?
      and our diplomats, according to the West, are wispy
      (Sorry, but the links to Western publishers themselves (Russian threaten))
    3. 0
      April 3 2015 15: 45
      Quote: Rom14
      It only remains to be regretted that our KGB officers slammed their ears and allowed the Maidan ... and they piss on enemies, both internal and external, and the enemy understands force only force ... And why our diplomats stand in a pose of a sow, they always make excuses. ..

      If there weren’t Maidan there wouldn’t be Crimea as part of Russia - an interesting bunch is obtained. But I don’t see Lavrov standing in the indicated position --- do not drive the snowstorm in vain.
  9. +14
    April 3 2015 07: 07
    Quote: SarS
    The article is a dummy! And who is this "fifth column"? Bacillus or aliens?


    Opposition - it is a political or social force acting in the interests of its state ...

    Fifth column - it is a political or social force acting against its state in the interests of a foreign state ..
    1. +2
      April 3 2015 08: 09
      Nyrobsky (1)

      "The fifth column is a political or social force acting against its own state in the interests of a foreign state .." - in whose interests did the Trotskyist underground act?
      In whose interests did the top military, Tukhachevsky and K, act?
      And how can one explain the tragedy of 1941 on the Western Front, other than as a planned betrayal, not completely finished off military fifth column? There are documents that speak for the planned nature of the defeat.
      1. 0
        April 3 2015 11: 32
        Are there, really? And where are they? Archive MO in Podolsk?
      2. +2
        April 3 2015 11: 35
        Quote: vladkavkaz
        And how can one explain the tragedy of 1941 on the Western Front, other than as a planned betrayal, not completely finished off military fifth column? There are documents that speak for the planned nature of the defeat.
        At the end of April 1945, on the instructions of Hitler, Bormann delivered the Swiss journalist K. Speidel to the bunker of the Reich Chancellery for Hitler's last, almost dying, interview. Hitler was brief, only 5 questions, did not answer the question about the Jews at all - not up to them. The last question and answer are as follows:

        "Question: What decision in your life do you regret the most?

        A.G. Dispersal of the SA top in 1934 and the execution of Rem. Then I went on about my own emotions, dirty intrigues within the party also played a role. Ernst, with all his shortcomings, was a devoted National Socialist and from the very beginning of the struggle he walked with me shoulder to shoulder. Without his assault detachments, the NSDAP would not have existed. I know that many then accused me of betraying the national revolution, but contrary to all rumors, I was motivated only by considerations of morality and ethics, I fought for the purity of the party ranks. Ernst was my friend and died with my name on his lips. If he had been there today, everything would have been different. And the Wehrmacht simply betrayed me, I am dying at the hands of my own generals. Stalin did a brilliant act by organizing a purge in the Red Army and getting rid of the rotten aristocracy. "This idea of ​​Hitler is understandable, but it made no sense for him to advertise to Stalin in this interview - why? And why did he even think about him at that moment? no one will answer, probably the reason is Hitler's feelings for his own mistake - after all, it was he personally in 1937 who helped the USSR get rid of the fifth column.
        1. +7
          April 3 2015 11: 40
          The Germans practically started and ended the war with the weapons and equipment that they developed during the period when Tukhachevsky ordered the Soviet designers what to design, and the Soviet factories what and how much to produce for the Red Army.

          The German main medium tank, comparable to our T-34, which fought the entire war (T-IV), was ordered by designers in 1935. The Messerschmitt 109 fighter, according to some, is the best aircraft of the war, was started by design and testing in 1934 The dive bomber "Junkers-87" - in 1935, the bomber "Junkers-88" - in 1936, "Heinkel-111" - in 1935. Even the fighter "Focke-Wulf-190" and that in 1938. , by the beginning of the war, the Germans were armed with proven and mastered, not inferior to anything, samples of military equipment, which was so perfect that it did not become obsolete until the very end. Suffice it to say that Syria used German T-IV tanks even in the "six-day war" of 1967.

          But of those weapons and equipment that the "outstanding military professional" Marshal Tukhachevsky ordered for the Red Army, by the end of 1941, practically nothing was produced - neither light tanks of the BT series, nor medium T-28, nor heavy T-35, neither the I-16 and I-153 fighters, nor the TB-3 heavy bombers flying at the speed of a motorcycle, nor the "high-speed" SB bombers. According to the well-known remark of the designer of artillery guns Grabin, if Tukhachevsky had remained a little longer at the post of deputy people's commissar, then the Red Army would not have had artillery either.

          Our equipment and weapons that made the war (T-34 and KV tanks, IL-2 attack aircraft, PE-2 bomber, YAK, MiG, LaGG fighters, anti-aircraft guns, mortars, Katyushas and much more) were ordered without Tukhachevsky .http: //stalinism.narod.ru/vieux/duel/glava04.htm
    2. 0
      April 4 2015 00: 47
      Thank you, Dmitri, for we are mumbling together, we don’t know what the opposition and the fifth column are.
  10. +9
    April 3 2015 07: 21
    Russia survived and strengthened thanks to Stalin and his personnel policy.
    1. +1
      April 3 2015 07: 49
      Khrushchev is a product of the Stalinist personnel policy .. It turns out that he specially prepared it for the subsequent collapse of the country .. A simple example .. Khrushchev disbanded hundreds of thousands of artels ... who were engaged in the production of all kinds of products from toys to TVs ...
      1. +4
        April 3 2015 07: 53
        Quote: parusnik
        Khrushchev is a product of the Stalinist personnel policy .. It turns out that he specially prepared it for the subsequent collapse of the country .. A simple example .. Khrushchev disbanded hundreds of thousands of artels ... who were engaged in the production of all kinds of products from toys to TVs ...

        The owner was aging, plus the war took a lot of energy! Therefore, such hangers-on as Khrushchev got out!
        1. +5
          April 3 2015 11: 35
          So not God? So still wrong? In insanity fell like everyone else? And I would have been smarter would not shoot Voznesensky. However, all rigid systems of government are doomed ...
          1. +2
            April 3 2015 22: 35
            Honesty, Courage, Strength, is it not tough, it is normal for a normal person! But tough for a bugger and a lesbian!
        2. +1
          April 3 2015 12: 22
          A system based on one person is not viable, which history has shown us where in the end - the collapse of the Union.
          1. +3
            April 3 2015 14: 10
            RUSS
            Have you talked about it when you screamed all the grave things that Putin cannot be replaced?
            "No army in the world, except for the native Red Army, has won more brilliant victories, and no army, except for our victorious army, has stood before the astonished gaze of mankind in such a radiance of glory, power and greatness," wrote M. A Sholokhov on the 1941-1945 war, which became the Great Patriotic War for our people. In a personal message to Stalin on February 23, 1945, British Prime Minister W. Churchill noted: "Future generations will recognize their debt to the Red Army as unconditionally as we do, who have lived to witness these magnificent victories."
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              April 3 2015 16: 39
              Quote: vladkavkaz
              RUSS
              Have you talked about it when you screamed all the grave things that Putin cannot be replaced?
              "No army in the world, except for the native Red Army, has won more brilliant victories, and no army, except for our victorious army, has stood before the astonished gaze of mankind in such a radiance of glory, power and greatness," wrote M. A Sholokhov on the 1941-1945 war, which became the Great Patriotic War for our people. In a personal message to Stalin on February 23, 1945, British Prime Minister W. Churchill noted: "Future generations will recognize their debt to the Red Army as unconditionally as we do, who have lived to witness these magnificent victories."

              do not attribute to me what I did not say and do not refer to Churchill, since Churchill was already preparing the plan for bombing the USSR in the 45th
              1. 0
                April 3 2015 18: 39
                RUSS (2)
                It’s hard with logic? I forgot how to read it? Give a magnifying glass?
      2. +12
        April 3 2015 08: 06
        parusnik
        Are you a genius in management? Are you related to personnel policy, at least in a team of 100 people. Yes, even less than 50?
        If you don’t have, then why the claim that Khrushchev is precisely Stalin’s policy?
        After Stalin's death, Khrushchev, roughly, returned to what he tried, more precisely, what is called Trotskyism in economics and politics. The result is that with him, "former" Trotskyists were released, and then restored in large numbers in the party, under him the PLAN of the country's development was perverted, including the destroyed artels, not to mention idyetism with taxes on the peasantry. Under him, the country is put on an oil needle, it is a fact.
        Not for nothing, after the treacherous 20th congress. An assessment was immediately given of what happened there, by the same Mao and E. Hodge, as they looked into the water.
        Under Khrushchev, NOMENCLATURE, received a carte blanche for impunity, and this, this is a land mine that pulled in 90.
        1. +6
          April 3 2015 08: 26
          - I share your opinion and want to supplement your post with a reference to M. Voslensky, his book - "Nomenclature". It describes this monster who managed to rebuild the idea of ​​building "socialism with a human face" into what we have now, alas ...
        2. +3
          April 3 2015 08: 40
          I didn’t write Is Khrushchev the Stalinist policy?Khrushchev is a product of the Stalinist personnel policy ... Or do you want to say that Khrushchev was a petty bastard under Stalin ..? How many stocks Stalin forgave Khrushchev during the war .. Two of them .. Khrushchev convinced Stalin that we won’t hand over Kiev, there’s no danger .. What ended with the boiler .. The offensive near Kharkov in 1942 .. yes, everything is fine, then Stalin is advancing, there is no danger .. what ended up with the boiler .. For this, it’s not enough to kill .. They didn’t kill .. Nothing prevented Stalin Khrushchev, send him an ambassador to Mongolia .. and forget .. However ..
          1. -7
            April 3 2015 08: 45
            parusnik (1)
            Knowledge of History post-factum and attempts to draw conclusions on post-history, without historicism, according to the realities of that time, the lot of those who do not know History.
            "Where will I get the Hindenburgs for you?"
            1. 0
              April 3 2015 08: 51
              Minus, without an answer, is it like acknowledging your insolvency as an opponent?
              Go ahead, study history, along the three corridors and closet ...
              1. 0
                April 3 2015 11: 27
                Dear Vladkavkaz .. I have minuses .. you did not set ... smile
            2. +1
              April 3 2015 10: 05
              Quote: vladkavkaz
              "Where will I get the Hindenburgs for you?"

              Yeah, "there won't be anyone to work with" (C)
              1. +1
                April 3 2015 14: 13
                saag (2)
                Stalin coped with this. Any objections?
                But are you able, or some kind of Dima Medvedev, to cope with something like that if he screwed up on 8.08.2008 that Putin had to give out penalties from China so that they would fuss in Moscow?

                In this regard, it is appropriate to recall the work "On War" by the renowned theorist of military affairs Karl von Clausewitz. In the chapter "Military genius" he wrote: "As long as the troops, filled with courage, fight cheerfully and willingly, the chief rarely presents a reason to show considerable willpower in pursuing his goal; but when difficulties arise, and this will happen as soon as troops will require extreme tension, then things will no longer go by itself, like a well-oiled machine; on the contrary, the machine itself will begin to resist, and to overcome it will require tremendous willpower from the commander.This resistance should not be understood as direct disobedience or objection, although in some cases, this also takes place, but the general impression of a decline in physical and moral strength and torment of consciousness at the sight of bloody victims; the boss has to fight them inside himself, and then among his subordinates, who transmit to him indirectly or directly their impressions, moods, worries and aspirations. As the strength of individual individuals begins to fall, they are no longer carried away and not supported own will; all the burden of the inertia of the masses is gradually shifted to the will of the boss; with the flame of his heart, the beacon of his spirit, he must reignite the heat of striving in all the others and awaken in them a ray of hope; only insofar as he is able to do this, insofar as he remains above the masses, their master. If this is not the case, if his own courage is no longer sufficient to revive the courage of all the others, the masses will carry him along with them, into the base region of animal nature, fleeing from danger and knowing no shame. This is the burden that the courage and fortitude of the leader must overcome during the struggle if he strives to accomplish something outstanding. "
                1. -4
                  April 3 2015 16: 18
                  Quote: vladkavkaz
                  Are you capable

                  Sir, contact me at you or me and you too arrange a public reading of the rules of conduct on the forum
                  1. 0
                    April 3 2015 16: 47
                    Quote: saag

                    Sir, contact me at you or me and you too arrange a public reading of the rules of conduct on the forum

                    You were told that there was no violation of the rules. And once again whom you name SIR I will accept for violation. We are on Russian website, and not in America.
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                        April 3 2015 21: 27
                        saag (2
                        Clearly, everything is in the "best" traditions of the liberalists.

                        There is no answer, argument, fact, start a groan about an allegedly disrespectful attitude and other things, referring to the rules, BUT right there, violating the very rules of decency, when a FALSE is, so to speak, not a handshake, but requires respect in its impudence ..

                        It’s kind of like the joys of the liberals about the demolition of monuments in Ukraine, but with the screech of garbage collection on the bridge, where a certain democrat ended his worthless life.

                        It is not worth YOU to hide behind the RULES when you are not able to refute your opponent, it does not look too beautiful and dignified.
                      2. -1
                        April 4 2015 06: 05
                        Quote: vladkavkaz
                        It is not worth YOU to hide behind the RULES when you are not able to refute your opponent, it does not look too beautiful and dignified.

                        Bravo, you, unlike some, are quite reasonable, but as for the rules, this is primarily a matter of education, be polite with a stranger and you will be rewarded
                  3. 0
                    April 4 2015 01: 00
                    "Goshpodin" saag. Let me turn to you on YOU!
            3. 0
              April 3 2015 11: 37
              Yes, talents, our people with him sharply impoverished!
              1. +1
                April 3 2015 14: 15
                kalibr
                The stupidity you said speaks of your complete inability to assimilate what was done then and done now.
                Don't you feel the difference?
                The Minister of Foreign Affairs of fascist Germany I. Ribbentrop in his memoirs quotes Hitler's words about Stalin's role in the war: “Any other people, after the crushing blows received in 1941-1942, no doubt, would have been broken. If this did not happen to Russia , then the Russian people owe their victory only to the iron firmness of this man, whose unyielding will and heroism called upon and led the people to continue resistance. "
                Stalin himself never separated himself from the people. His toast "To the health of the Russian people" is well known, delivered on May 24, 1945 at a reception in the Kremlin in honor of the commanders of the Red Army. "Our government had quite a few mistakes, we had moments of desperate situation in 1941-42, when our army was retreating ... Another people could tell the government: you did not live up to our expectations, go away, we will install another government that will conclude peace with Germany will ensure peace for us. ”But the Russian people did not agree to this, because they believed in the correctness of the policy of their government and made sacrifices to ensure the defeat of Germany. And this confidence of the Russian people in the Soviet government turned out to be the decisive force that ensured the historic victory over the enemy of humanity - over fascism. Thanks to him, the Russian people, for this trust! "
                And now, now Kudrin is our best minister, the West already squealed with joy, then he’s always drunk Borya, the best president, well, you have authorities ...
                1. -3
                  April 3 2015 17: 51
                  When a person does not understand humor, this is completely bad ...
                  1. +4
                    April 4 2015 11: 03
                    Quote: kalibr
                    When a person does not understand humor, this is completely bad ...

                    Or when a person did not learn to joke ...
                    1. -3
                      April 4 2015 14: 40
                      Subtle humor is not understood by everyone and not immediately!
                      1. +1
                        April 4 2015 17: 22
                        The absence of any humor, even with attempts at it, is really not perceived by anyone.
    2. -1
      April 3 2015 11: 33
      And then she perished thanks to the actions of people from his own environment or brought up by his heirs!
      1. +4
        April 3 2015 14: 17
        Your trouble is that you, perish, will be forgotten about you in three days, and now no one needs you because you are promoting here a clearly pro-Western point of view.

        Today it is obvious that despite the efforts of the posners, Svanidze and others like them, the "wind of history," as Stalin himself predicted, "scattered heaps of garbage" from his grave. In 1988, at the height of Gorbachev's perestroika, opinion polls showed that less than one percent of the respondents believed that in 20-30 years Stalin would be remembered as a major figure of the Soviet era. But just twenty years later, in 2008, when the project "The Name of Russia. Historical Choice 2008" was implemented on the initiative of the Rossiya TV channel, it turned out that Stalin almost immediately became the leader of the popular vote and remained in first place until then. until the organizers corrected the results.
        In the chaos of today, when one crisis succeeds another, Stalin's personality is invisibly present among us. Some call him, others curse, others shake with fear, but one thing is certain - for the majority of the population of Russia he has become the center of one of the coordinate systems. Having survived the tragedy of the collapse of the Soviet Union, we ask ourselves the question: what determines the viability of the country and the people and why we survived the Great Patriotic War and lost the "cold war." HOW, under Stalin, did you manage to go from the plow to space heights in 30 years, overcoming the post-war devastation, mass diseases, illiteracy, homelessness, gaining a GREAT VICTORY and gaining the status of a superpower for the country? AND WHAT does not allow us to get out of the crisis matryoshka today?
        Over time, it is becoming increasingly clear that Stalin was able to fill the life of the people with the great meaning of creation and creative work directed towards the future, he began to build the image of the future, which united people with a common cause of universal proportions. To create a kingdom of justice on earth - this was the level of inquiry.
        1. +2
          April 3 2015 17: 53
          Chinggiskhan also succeeded in filling the life of the Mongols with great meaning ... and everyone also remembers him. The question is where is Mongolia now. And what is the way to immediately poke your opponent? I'm with you, my dear, I did not drink brotherhood!
          1. 0
            April 3 2015 18: 42
            kalibr
            So I would disdain with YOU to drink a glass.
            1. 0
              April 4 2015 14: 41
              That's good - sobriety is a good thing!
          2. +4
            April 4 2015 11: 16
            Quote: kalibr
            Genghis Khan also managed to fill the life of the Mongols with great meaning ... and everyone also remembers him. The question is where is Mongolia now.

            The fact of the matter is that creating something big is quite difficult, but keeping it at the level is often even more difficult (it seems that this is one of the rules of management). And if the receivers of Genghis Khan could not save and preserve his legacy, then what does he have to do with it personally? If hultay and rake squandered his inheritance, then what did his ancestors have to do with it? What the USSR has become and what Russia will be, depends only on us. And it turns out, like my two-year-olds: everyone is to blame, but not them.
    3. RAA
      -2
      April 3 2015 21: 25
      The USSR collapsed thanks to Stalin and his legacy.
    4. -3
      April 4 2015 14: 38
      Then she gave oak in consequence of the same policy.
  11. +4
    April 3 2015 07: 21
    And who is the fifth column? ... Rokossovsky, Meretskov, Lizyukov, Gorbatov..this is the fifth column or fifth column, those who planted or those who insisted ..
    1. +2
      April 3 2015 07: 55
      Tukhachevsky fit?
      1. +2
        April 3 2015 11: 38
        Is there evidence of his guilt? Or the main one was a rubber stick?
        1. -1
          April 3 2015 14: 19
          kalibr
          you didn’t confuse the VO site with the sex shop site for an hour, what do you dream about a rubber stick ???
          1. +3
            April 3 2015 17: 54
            Sometimes I dream of those who are hard-nosed to teach her to try what they were like to sit on their bald denunciations ...
            1. 0
              April 3 2015 18: 45
              kalibr
              Your dreams will end up like a hundred years ago, some people dangled with rags on the lanterns, dreaming of doing the same for the majority of the people.
              So, an unfriendly and not particularly literate, having read something like that, somewhere, and in general, you should not "dream" about something that is not profitable for you and repeat here the myths of all sorts of different Svanidz-REMINDER, in the Russian Federation, in some POLICE STATIONS, a bottle use champagne .. think .. what you dream about.
              1. -1
                April 4 2015 14: 43
                It does not threaten me - my police saves me!
            2. +4
              April 4 2015 11: 23
              Quote: kalibr
              Sometimes I dream of those who are hard-nosed to teach her to try what they were like to sit on their bald denunciations ...

              Don’t particularly strain, my dear, and in our time no one is safe from this. Every year, offended parents pour so much shit on their heads themselves that I don’t even pay attention. Of course, RayONO is not the NKVD, but, believe me, feelings are not pleasant. Especially when the Criminal Code and the prosecutor’s office threaten you.
      2. +3
        April 3 2015 11: 50
        Tukhachevsky fit?... Kosyakov, he had a lot in terms of armament of the Red Army, but Rokossovsky, Gorbatov .. and others .. how they don’t speak about the enemy of the people .. Does it happen at the same time with him ..?
        1. 0
          April 3 2015 16: 21
          Quote: parusnik
          It turns out they were at the same time ..?

          And also Blucher, Yakir, Uborevich, etc.
          1. -2
            April 3 2015 17: 56
            They are all enemies! One VLADIKAVKAZ faithful Leninist Stalin for ever and ever. Amen!
            1. +1
              April 3 2015 18: 46
              kalibr
              Well, thank God that I am not a Krasnodar-Vlasovite like you.
              1. -4
                April 4 2015 14: 49
                I am not only a Bandera-Vlasovite, I am also an agent of international imperialism, a secret poisoner of wells, and Dracula in one person! What a pity that not 37 th, huh? He would have rolled the cart right away - those who are not with us are against it, right? But what did our beloved president say about Stalin, the head of government, which point of view at the state level was voiced about him? He is a criminal! And for the president 75% of Russians. You, therefore, go against the people's choice, ah-ah!
                1. +3
                  April 4 2015 17: 34
                  kalibr
                  In 37, such as you, rolled denunciations in batches.
                  Descendants from people like you, continue to do the same, having already been isolated, I cannot do the same.

                  You need to be planted at your desk for a new one, so that at least they know and know how to search. Where they say the truth. And where they lie all at once.

                  The fact that Putin blurted out is not his color, the head of state does not have the right, so to speak, after a dozen other years, no matter how much he had to hear about himself, they have stolen it in billions, they are stealing it now, but the nouveau riche class is not judged as a class of thieves is a clique of all kinds of rogue talkers, like the burning library of a brewer ..

                  75% support, FOR FOREIGN POLICY, on the crest of success in CRIMEA. It is time to already understand this.
                  And it seems that he will be forced to engage in domestic politics, pinching you so that nothing worse happens.
                2. +4
                  April 4 2015 18: 58
                  Quote: kalibr
                  But what did our beloved president say about Stalin, the head of government what point of view at the state level voiced about him? He is a criminal!
                  Pulling out phrases, as well as quoting politically biased statements, is not yet a criterion of truth. The first to express this "deep" thought was the still-memorable Nikita Sergeevich (a Trotskyite who was not finished in 37), three decades ago he was repeated by the second "titan of thought" - Mikhail Sergeevich (a worthy product of the degradation of the administrative apparatus). If Putin considers it possible for himself to join these "worthy" gentlemen-comrades, this is a matter of his conscience, as a statesman and as a citizen of the country of which he is the leader. Personally, I am deeply unpleasant neither these statements, nor your personal views on the problem under discussion. And to say that 75% of support is the unconditional approval by three quarters of the population of ABSOLUTELY all his activities is an excellent example of demagoguery. This is how all the maydauns of Ukraine reason. Can they be counted among Putin's supporters too?
                  1. +1
                    April 4 2015 19: 19
                    Alex
                    Perfectly formulated and accurate answer.)))
    2. +1
      April 3 2015 08: 23
      Quote: parusnik
      And who is the fifth column? ... Rokossovsky, Meretskov, Lizyukov, Gorbatov..this is the fifth column or fifth column, those who planted or those who insisted ..

      and it is impossible to arrange a more or less dignified and just life in the largest and richest country in the world without searching for and appointing the fifth or sixth columns with their subsequent liquidation? and without any super-cruel, super-costly and so praised in the article methods of Stalinism. Recently I read a memoir of a German woman. She was the wife of a German communist who was able to escape to the USSR from Germany and here ended up in camps where he died, and his wife ended up in ALZHIR. and survived there thanks to the kurt that the Kazakhs threw them over the fence (at first she cried out of resentment for which the Kazakhs were throwing "white stones" at her, and then she cried out of gratitude when she realized that this was food that was thrown at her by half-starved strangers at the risk of getting into the camps ourselves). So this German woman is suddenly taken to the Crimea, where she meets the few survivors of the German communist camps, where they are treated and fed for a month, then dressed well and taken to the west, and they thought that they were being taken to the Baltic States from where they would be sent abroad. And they find themselves in Brest on the bridge where the Germans are waiting for them on the other side (this is Stalin's gift to Hitler after Poland's defeat). She is the only survivor who has gone through both Stalin's and Hitler's camps, and such stories are not an incident and not isolated but a system.
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      2. MrK
        0
        April 3 2015 12: 17
        All this is a lie. Do not tell the link
        1. -1
          April 3 2015 16: 25
          Quote: mrark
          All this is a lie. Do not tell the link

          And why do you need a link --- go to Karaganda, wander around Karlag, among nameless graves and dilapidated barracks --- there you will find the answer to your question.
          And to visit ALGERIA is like plunging into the epoch of 37 years. Here on the portal it is easy to argue in terms of various "knowledgeable authors", and you will live there in the Dolinka, where the souls of ruined people wander at night, the flower of the nation is driven here and stayed here- - and maybe that's why our country has become semi-Zekov, in thinking and in its speech.
      3. 0
        April 3 2015 14: 22
        Semurg
        This nonsense, from the time of the hunchback, without even shaking off dust and dirt, pulled out for what?
        There are DOCUMENTS confirming this myth, or, as always, "someone, somewhere, someone, when he said something, forgetting to remember where, at whom in what place and at what time he heard?"
        And THIS, a method of spreading rumors, myths and gossip by you.
        1. -1
          April 3 2015 17: 57
          And what kind of documents?
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    4. +4
      April 3 2015 08: 31
      Quote: parusnik
      Rokossovsky, Meretskov, Lizyukov, Gorbatov

      I can add:
      Korolev S.P., Glushko V.P., G.E. Langemak ,, Kalinin K.A., Bekauri V.I., Vavilov N.I., Gumilyov L.N ... the list is endless.
      Well, the government of the MPR how could it become the 5th column?
      1. -3
        April 3 2015 10: 05
        The technical elite was destroyed - design engineers who could do a lot for the country.
        These "comrades" calling for the next destruction of technical personnel are the direct heirs of the butchers-nkvdshniks.
        1. MrK
          +3
          April 3 2015 12: 28
          Question - who destroyed. See my first comment. And do not blame everything on Stalin.
          1. 0
            April 3 2015 16: 11
            Quote: mrark
            Question - who destroyed. See my first comment. And do not blame everything on Stalin.

            So Stalin, for example, was not aware that before the war itself, the hero (the second for Spain), the most experienced pilot Alksnis, was shot twice, everything was done behind his back - do not rub the bullshit, without the order of the leader - the hair did not fall from the shoulders.
      2. MrK
        0
        April 3 2015 12: 26
        Vavilov was tried not for politics, but for embezzlement. You can read about the rest from Alexander Kurlyandchik. Damned Soviet power ... on prosa.ru. Except for the Queen. In 1942 he wrote to the Prosecutor General, "Langemak and Glushko basely slandered me." So don't lump everything together.
        1. 0
          April 3 2015 15: 36
          Quote: mrark
          Vavilov was tried not for politics, but for embezzlement. You can read about the rest from Alexander Kurlyandchik. Damned Soviet power ... on prosa.ru. Except for the Queen. In 1942 he wrote to the Prosecutor General, "Langemak and Glushko basely slandered me." So don't lump everything together.


          Приговор
          Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR
          In a closed court session in Moscow on July 9, 1941.
          Vavilov Nikolay Ivanovich, former director of Vir, vice president of agricultural Academy of Sciences and a member of the USSR Academy of Sciences,
          found guilty under Articles 58-1a, 58-7,58-9, and 58-11 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR for
          the creation and leadership of a "working peasant pariah", for maintaining ties with white emigre circles, for participating in an anti-Soviet organization operating in scientific institutions.
          Sentencing capital punishment - rastrel.
          the verdict is final and not subject to appeal.

          A scientist with a worldwide reputation standing on the same level as Academicians Pavlov and Vernadsky, who created an entire institute, plant growing, traveled the whole world with his expeditions, whose unique collection of seeds was stored in besieged Leningrad, is not executed for extravagance.
          The destruction of Russian scientists of this level is a serious crime of the Stalinist regime.
          1. MrK
            -2
            April 3 2015 18: 40
            Why didn’t they touch Pavlov? Walking around the city, he was baptized at each church so that the Bolsheviks perished. Vernadsky’s love of the Soviet regime, you can’t blame the same. And nothing. And the world name of Vavilov is in many ways blown.
    5. +2
      April 3 2015 09: 31
      Quote: parusnik
      07: 55 ↑
      Tukhachevsky fit?

      I will give an example: in the 20s and early 30s, in the western regions in case of a guerrilla war (there were then wise people in the leadership), hundreds and hundreds of arsenals caches were built in the forests with weapons, food, medicines, and other military materials that can was to arm entire divisions in a matter of days. Only the General Staff and the first secretaries of the regional committees knew about this. But a "big purge" ensues - the marshals and generals (not German, if someone does not know, but Soviet) are destroyed, respectively, all their developments, including and the arsenals I mentioned, which, oh, would be useful later. And where is the fifth column here? Not the NKVD - is it by chance? and maybe who is taller?
      1. -1
        April 3 2015 10: 07
        Quote: semirek
        And where is the fifth column?

        Yes, it was written about this in a book about Yakov Serebryansky, and not a fifth column, but with Stalin’s order, all this was liquidated, like the entire intelligence of the Comintern
      2. +2
        April 3 2015 11: 47
        Not all partisan bases were destroyed, not all trained personnel were shot .. There is no need to exaggerate ... But the thing is ... dark .. Again, someone and for some reason submitted this information by presenting the bases and weapons depots of future partisans as places for the deployment of armed detachments, to fight the Soviet regime ..
        1. +2
          April 3 2015 15: 07
          Quote: parusnik
          Not all partisan bases were destroyed, not all trained personnel were shot .. There is no need to exaggerate ... But the thing is ... dark .. Again, someone and for some reason submitted this information by presenting the bases and weapons depots of future partisans as places for the deployment of armed detachments, to fight the Soviet regime ..

          You, dear, give the impression of an informed person, and you should know what military doctrine was before the war: a war of little blood, a war on foreign territory, this was inspired by the population and the army: we defeat everyone: the Finns, the Pans of Poles - Germans respectively - read the newspapers Those years. Responsibly returning to the topic of partisan bases - why then are they needed if we do not allow the enemy to our land.
          1. 0
            April 3 2015 15: 50
            The doctrine is familiar .. But if you look at the accusations against those who were involved in the formation of partisan bases ... and the future underground for fighting in the occupied territory, they were accused of the fact that they allegedly created warehouses with weapons, formed the underground ... And when the war came ... actually trained personnel for clandestine work, there were no partisan actions or very few .. I had to urgently start essentially from the beginning ...
            1. 0
              April 3 2015 16: 49
              Quote: parusnik
              The doctrine is familiar .. But if you look at the accusations against those who were involved in the formation of partisan bases ... and the future underground for fighting in the occupied territory, they were accused of the fact that they allegedly created warehouses with weapons, formed the underground ... And when the war came ... actually trained personnel for clandestine work, there were no partisan actions or very few .. I had to urgently start essentially from the beginning ...

              So they would say right away - why walk around walking.
          2. +1
            April 3 2015 22: 35
            Consequently, the doctrine: "war with little blood, war on foreign territory" - was sabotage, did not take into account the enemy's capabilities in the war.
    6. MrK
      +2
      April 3 2015 12: 14
      Dear sailing ship. In the 1939 year after Beria came to the NKVD, the 8000 NKVDshnikov was shot. And those innocent generals were released in 39-40. The last released Gorbatov-April 1941.
      1. 0
        April 3 2015 13: 36
        I know this ... And then see my early comment. fifth column, those who planted or those who squeaked ..or those whom they planted .. The matter is, by and large, dark, you have to figure it out .. For example, in my subjective opinion .. Khrushchev, a typical representative of the fifth column, how much damage the country did .. both under Stalin and after, and died his death .. .
      2. +1
        April 3 2015 14: 58
        Strange, but I thought that Beria L.P. was the deputy of the People's Commissar Yezhov, and it turns out he only came to the NKVD at 39.
        1. MrK
          +1
          April 3 2015 15: 10
          Beria came to the NKVD at the end of November 1938. "Tyrant" Stalin and Malenkov spent four hours trying to persuade Yezhov to take Beria as their first deputy.
        2. 0
          April 3 2015 15: 13
          On August 22, 1938, Beria was appointed First Deputy People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the USSR N. I. Ezhov. On November 25, 1938, Beria was appointed People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the USSR.
  12. +2
    April 3 2015 07: 41
    And when did an article appear that Stalin promoted the traitor Khrushchev?
  13. +5
    April 3 2015 07: 47
    The liberals tell us that the Soviet Union was not preparing for war, Stalin was confused on June 22, 1941. However, the facts show the opposite, that at the head of Stalin, the USSR not only eliminated the "fifth column" and created a material and technical base - industry in the USSR to defend the Fatherland and as a result, the Soviet people defeated fascism.
    1. -12
      April 3 2015 07: 56
      Quote: avvg
      The liberals tell us that the Soviet Union was not preparing for war, Stalin was confused on June 22, 1941. However, the facts show the opposite, that at the head of Stalin, the USSR not only eliminated the "fifth column" and created a material and technical base - industry in the USSR to defend the Fatherland and as a result, the Soviet people defeated fascism.

      It is possible that Stalin pulling troops to the borders at the end of the 40th beginning of the 41st prepared a counterattack in the back of Hitler, Europe was too quickly captured!
      1. +15
        April 3 2015 08: 01
        denvar555
        A repeat of Rezun’s myth? Together with talkers such as Corned beef and Sokolov, who intensely spread the dirt on historical topics?
        Explain for yourself WHY Stalin, FIRST to start a war with Germany, if in this case, Germany, England and the United States instantly sniff and declare a joint campaign against the USSR?
        Didn’t such a simple thought enter my head?
        And this is not just a thought, it is a reality of those times.
        1. -10
          April 3 2015 08: 17
          Quote: vladkavkaz
          FIRST to start a war with Germany, if in this case, Germany, England and the United States instantly sniff and declare a joint campaign against the USSR?

          This is how in your brain this can turn out?
          By your logic in 1945. The USSR attacking Japan could expect a joint campaign of the USA and Japan against the USSR?
          1. +13
            April 3 2015 08: 48
            Nayhas (
            What are you talking about now?
            Something reminiscent of a creature from Vysotsky’s famous song about a parrot?
            The entry of the USSR into the war against Japan, the implementation of the Yalta and Potsdam accords.
            "Not later than three months after the end of the war in Europe, to provide assistance to the allies in the war against Japan" - have you heard about this at least with the edge of your ear?
            Or isn’t it taught in the bushes? Why then stick out and scream indecent ...
            1. -9
              April 3 2015 09: 31
              Quote: vladkavkaz
              What are you talking about now?

              It’s hard for me to talk with a person with an upturned consciousness, in which two countries that were killed in a mortal battle and killed thousands of enemy citizens suddenly forget about it and, hand in hand, start a war against a third country.
              1. +1
                April 3 2015 10: 34
                Quote: Nayhas
                mortal battle of the country killed thousands of enemy citizens suddenly forget about it and holding hands start a war against a third country.


                Well, well: Romania, Slovakia, Finland, Bulgaria in the year 1944. 600 thousand Romania lost in the war against the USSR и 200 thousand-in war against Germany. And not against a third country, but against his ALLY!
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              3. MrK
                +1
                April 3 2015 12: 33
                Well ...!!! Once again I say read my first comment.
              4. +2
                April 3 2015 14: 25
                Nayhas
                So are you talking about yourself and your consciousness turned upside down to a complete misunderstanding of history?
                then yes, it’s exactly yours, turned out, contrary to the facts.
                One of the leaders of Soviet intelligence L.V. Shebarshin once remarked that: "The West needs only one thing from Russia - that it should not exist at all." And this is not an exaggeration. The Second World War ended not only with the triumphant victory of the Soviet people, but also with the beginning of a new stage in the confrontation between Russian civilization and the united West. Just before the end of the war, in April-May 1945, by order of W. Churchill, a plan was developed for a surprise attack on the USSR (Operation Unthinkable). According to this plan, on July 1, 1945, 47 British and American divisions, without declaring war, were to inflict a sudden crushing blow on the Soviet troops. The attack was to be supported by 10-12 German divisions, which the "allies" kept undisturbed in Schleswig-Holstein and in southern Denmark, where British instructors prepared them daily for war against the USSR. The united forces of Western civilization against Russia were subsequently to be supported by Poland and Hungary. The war, which (as in the Barbarossa plan) was planned to end at the Arkhangelsk-Stalingrad line, was to lead to the complete defeat and surrender of the USSR. Stalin's decision to storm Berlin, which demonstrated the increased power of the Soviet army, prevented the start of World War III.
                The "Unthinkable" plan also included an Allied attempt to steal Victory Day from us by accepting the surrender of the Germans in Reims on May 7. She was the brainchild of Churchill and Hitler's successor Doenitz, who declared "We will end the war against Britain and the United States, which has lost its meaning, but we will continue the war with the Soviet Union." In the text of the surrender in Reims, the Soviet Union was not even mentioned! The document of surrender in Reims was signed by the Allies and sent to the Germans before it was sent to Moscow. Stalin had to work hard to force Truman to confirm the surrender in Berlin, more precisely, in Karlhorst on May 9 with the participation of the USSR and the allies.Today we also know about the numerous US plans to deliver a nuclear strike against the USSR, developed immediately after the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In the directive of the Joint Military Planning of December 14, 1945, 20 cities and industrial centers of the USSR were planned for atomic bombing, on which it was supposed to drop 196 atomic bombs (Plan "Ticks").
                On May 1945, XNUMX, watching Muscovites celebrate Victory Day, Kennan, an adviser to the American Embassy in Moscow, remarked: "They are jubilant ... They think the war is over. The real war is just beginning."
          2. MrK
            +4
            April 3 2015 12: 32
            Respected. The USSR began the war against Japan in accordance with an agreement with the United States. Learn the story from other books.
    2. -2
      April 3 2015 09: 55
      But at what cost? Between 41 and 45, there’s a huge chasm. It would have been much smaller if it hadn’t been for the rink, the best people.
    3. -1
      April 3 2015 11: 40
      Where is he now?
  14. +11
    April 3 2015 08: 09
    It’s like, whoever said it, but Stalin is a POLITICAL BLOCK, an example of political will, strategic thinking and planning, but there were excesses and mistakes, but if you compare them with the real state of things in RUSSIA, we get our power - a baby in a diaper sucking a nipple and pissing in diapers. Of course, it’s easy to find fault with it, but look at your mistakes and failures, what are you, we are TOP Managers, a stool, Khoroshavin, Rosreestr, Altai sheep’s business, officials of the Moscow region, here’s an incomplete list of wise personnel decisions, and about the economy and its there is nothing to say, GDP is negative, under STALIN it reached 19% per annum, here is an example to follow, and we all look west in the ass.
    1. -6
      April 3 2015 08: 21
      Quote: I.P. Stalnov.
      GDP is negative, under STALIN it reached 19% per annum, here is an example to follow,

      Japan, Germany without executions and camps from total devastation to world economic leaders ...
      1. +10
        April 3 2015 08: 23
        Nayhas (2

        "Japan, the Federal Republic of Germany without executions and camps from complete devastation into world economic leaders ..." - at the cost of losing national sovereignty?
        And how does this comment of yours correlate with the fact that the Union was the second most powerful country in the world, and in the top three countries for social security of the population?
        1. -5
          April 3 2015 08: 37
          Quote: vladkavkaz
          at the cost of losing national sovereignty?

          What is the loss of sovereignty? Citizens of Germany and Japan do not have the right to study in their native languages ​​?, the government of these countries is appointed from the outside, and these countries are represented in other countries by international interests?
          Quote: vladkavkaz
          And how does this comment of yours correlate with the fact that the Union was the second most powerful country in the world

          Well, if you measure the "power of the country" in the armed forces, then yes ... only wheat was bought from the enemy for gold and money received from the sale of natural resources.
          1. +1
            April 3 2015 08: 48
            Nayhas (
            Have you now blurted out again?
      2. +5
        April 3 2015 08: 47
        Japan, Germany without executions and camps from total devastation to world economic leaders ..
        Have you ever wondered where they got the money for restoration? And what price did you pay?
        1. 0
          April 3 2015 09: 27
          Quote: Gardamir
          Have you ever wondered where they got the money for restoration?

          And where did Stalin get the money? He printed dollars and bought plants in the USA?
          Quote: Gardamir
          And what price did you pay?

          Those. is the price of collectivization more comfortable for you?
          1. +4
            April 3 2015 09: 56
            And where did Stalin get the money? He printed dollars and bought plants in the USA?
            if about the 30s, then the poor Americans went to Soviet Russia to migrant workers, to build factories. And the money was taken from a reasonable economic policy.
            About collectivization, you certainly knew the truth. But the fact that in recent years not only villages, but also small towns are destroyed, is not interesting to you. What is the decline of Russia over these 25 years, were not interested? The same as during the years of the Great Patriotic War. What war did we have?
            1. +3
              April 3 2015 10: 12
              Quote: Gardamir
              And the money was taken from a reasonable economic policy.

              They paid in gold, it was mined by enterprises like Dalstroy, mechanization there was minimal
          2. +2
            April 3 2015 14: 26
            Nayhas (2
            Do you chat about Stalin?
            Stalin's exposés accuse him of unjustified pre-war repressions (repeatedly overestimating their real scale) and unjustified displacement of entire nations. Let us turn in this connection to the diaries of Joseph W. Davis, who worked in 1937-38. the US ambassador to the USSR. This is what he wrote in his diary on July 7, 1941: “Today we know, thanks to the efforts of the FBI, that Hitler's organs were active everywhere, even in the United States and South America. The German entry into Prague was accompanied by active support for Gehlen's military organizations. happened in Norway (Quisling), Slovakia (Tiso), Belgium (de Grelle) ... However, we do not see anything like this in Russia. “Where are Hitler’s Russian accomplices?” - I am often asked. “They were shot,” I answer. now you begin to realize how far-sighted the Soviet government acted during the years of the purges. "
            It should be noted that absolutely all countries fought against the "fifth column" during the war years. So, in the United States, after Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt ordered all American citizens with Japanese blood to be imprisoned in camps. 1/8 of Japanese blood was enough to get into the camp. In total, 112 thousand Japanese were sent to camps in the United States until the end of the war. In France, all Germans fell into camps indiscriminately, including anti-Nazis.
            Hitler spoke of Stalin as the only world politics worthy of respect and noted that "in his military and political qualities, Stalin is far superior to both Churchill and Roosevelt." As if confirming Hitler's words, W. Churchill wrote: “Stalin made an indelible impression on us. His influence on people was irresistible. When he entered the hall of the Yalta Conference, we all, as if on command, got up and, strangely enough, for some reason kept their hands at the seams. " As the further development of events showed, their hands were kept at the seams, but the allies had a stone in their bosom, and not one ...
      3. +4
        April 3 2015 10: 36
        Quote: Nayhas
        Quote: I.P. Stalnov.
        GDP is negative, under STALIN it reached 19% per annum, here is an example to follow,

        Japan, Germany without executions and camps from total devastation to world economic leaders ...

        The difference is, a member of the fifth column, Japan and the Federal Republic of Germany, our partners in striped clothes gave billions of dollars, and we restored ourselves. Or do you want dollars, as in independent Ukraine? Go and get hired, like Makarevich, with Sobchachka.
        1. MrK
          +6
          April 3 2015 12: 38
          Well, guys, for the umpteenth time I’m writing, how much can I? It is very simple to kill Stalin and even the memory of him. For this, neither him nor Vladimir Ilyich and others like them should be banned. Just do BETTER THAN THEY. Don't like the sacrifices in collectivization and building industry? BUILD the industry with any other methods available. Twenty-five years the industry built? Build-Build and Build? The more visible the result, the sorry, closer and closer Stalin. Build a country that was respected at least as a Union, and better, and the people of Stalin will forget more. Do you think that if you forbid it, the comparison will stop working? Not a penny !!!
          And he will live, as well as Lenin until you can present a better result. But you can’t, alas, mean these names will long be remembered by the people ...
          1. -2
            April 3 2015 18: 03
            The most enduring in the world is the myths accessible to the most mediocre mind. There are more mediocre minds than ... direct ones. So they flourish!
            1. +1
              April 3 2015 18: 48
              kalibr
              Ie do you prosper?
              Terry such a poisonous color?
              1. +1
                April 4 2015 14: 52
                Imagine! I can do everything!
      4. +4
        April 3 2015 10: 54
        Nayhas, you are repeating the anti-Soviet propaganda cliches "a la Posner" of the 1991 model. Japan and the Federal Republic of Germany are just American exhibits. Japan - 100%, Germany - 70% (the Germans, of course, are great, they know how to work). And, of course, the excellent strategy of the Zoceanic bankers is to crush the country first, plunder, and then pour in funds that partially repay the damage, but under their own control. Where would Japan be without the American electronics industry? Where would Germany be without the Marshall Plan (in this case, all the destroyed agricultural ballast was thrown onto the balance of the USSR).
        1. +4
          April 3 2015 14: 28
          andrew42
          To the question of Stalin and leadership, VICTORY.
          In the April program "Vremena" 2005, Posner was rebuffed by General of the Army M.A. Gareev, who sharply answered the presenter that "Talk about the victory of the people, not the leadership, not the commanders, such talks are frivolous, untenable, because none of the most selfless people can win any victory without leadership, without control, without rudder and sail. "
    2. MrK
      +1
      April 3 2015 12: 43
      It’s not even the dogs with the Yavlinsky who thought of looking in the ass. This is a centuries-old tradition of the Russian intelligentsia and the Russian elite.
      1. 0
        April 3 2015 19: 32
        Maybe you shouldn’t live in such a country: the intelligentsia is crap, there is no Stalinism, the authorities are again white - maybe you’ll be pulled to the People’s Democratic People’s Republic, there they really give me meat 2 times a year, but everything is pompous.
  15. +2
    April 3 2015 08: 13
    Probably more than one generation should be replaced in order to objectively assess the role of Stalin, and his policies, in the history of the Russian State
  16. +3
    April 3 2015 08: 59
    The article is good, but it still feels incomplete. The situation on the periphery of the USSR is shown in a very interesting way - the OUN, Basmachi. And the internal processes are only marginally affected, only the main directions "Bukharin's" and "Trotsky's", although this is enough to understand the scale of the problems facing the country in the pre-war years. It should not be forgotten that in those years Moscow was well aware that the advance of Hitler to the east, his seizure of the industrial regions of Europe - the essence of preparation for aggression against the USSR; in these critical conditions, there is nothing surprising that innocent people fell under the distribution, it is sad, but the country had no choice, it was necessary to cleanse itself before the approaching war.
    And there was no real alternative to I.V. Stalin, his tough course led to the survival of the people, the country in a terrible war, the rapid recovery in the postwar years - this is my opinion.
    1. MrK
      0
      April 3 2015 12: 46
      I agree. I’ll add ... and to the three terrible wars that swept across Russia in just 50 years
    2. +4
      April 3 2015 14: 29
      To consolidate a nation, it is necessary to "nationalize" our history and stop the distribution of grants-based works that defame our past. We must protect our Victory in the Great Patriotic War from the streams of lies spread by the former allies and talk more about the two-faced policy they pursued while with us in the anti-Hitler coalition. While the participants in the Great Patriotic War, their children and grandchildren, who grew up on the stories of the participants in the war, are alive, the streams of lies are forced to be dosed. We must prevent the great-grandchildren of those who fought from growing up with distorted views of war. To instill in them a sense of pride in the Great Victory is the duty of present generations.
      And finally, we must finally dispel all the garbage from the grave of Stalin. Over the years of his leadership, thousands of factories and factories, hundreds of new cities were built in the country, the invincible Army and Navy, armed with the most modern weapons, were created. He eliminated illiteracy and unemployment, gave the working people faith in social justice and tomorrow.
      The experience of Stalin's activities is the experience of creating a new, alternative to the West, civilization, the experience of great accomplishments in conditions of international isolation and constant military threat, the experience of creating a superpower, the experience of the Great Victory. What Stalin was able to do was not possible for any world leader in such a historically short time! Discrediting this experience is criminal in relation to the present and future of our people. The West has zoologically hated Stalin ever since his leaders "for some reason kept their hands at the seams" when he appeared during the war years. This hatred, however, does not prevent Western countries from thoroughly studying the reasons for Stalin's victories and using the knowledge gained. The architects of the Japanese economic miracle say that to this day, many large Japanese companies use the slogans of the Stalinist era.
  17. -6
    April 3 2015 09: 02
    I am sorry for the expression. And where is the story about the defeat of the fifth column stated in the title of the article? Minus definitely.

    PLYSES The only thing that at least comes in handy is a list of books on this topic, but you still need to read the authors, maybe there are scribblers ...
  18. -6
    April 3 2015 09: 24
    The Stalinists remind me of masochists who are ready for accomplishment only after a couple of kicks in the kidneys.
    Expressing their adoration by Stalin, they thereby support the opinion of the Russophobes that Russians and others like them are absolutely hopeless that they can restore order in their society only through decimation ...
    And when they say that "thanks" to Stalin, I say OPPOSITE to Stalin and his Bolshevik gop company. Despite the Stalinist executioners, Sergei Pavlovich Korolev took us into space, despite the investigator who kicked him in the head and broke his jaw, despite the Kolyma camps, the cold and hunger turned a young healthy man into a half-dead "wick" ... After all, only thanks to Glushko, and not To Stalin, Korolev did not die in the camp, but became what he became.
    Saying AGAINST, I point out the potential of Russia that existed before 1917, the greatest chess player Alekhine A.A., aircraft designer I.I.Sikorsky, creator of the television V.K. Zvorykin only by pure chance did not disappear in the basements of the Cheka. A member of the All-Ukrainian Revolutionary Committee Manuilsky who was already sentenced to be shot was saved by Aleksey, Sikorsky fled when he found out that he was on the Cheka’s list without waiting for arrest, Zvorykin was already in the shooting basement of the Yekaterinburg Cheka, but was able to escape ...
    And how many did not have time to escape? Who was not lucky and had no patronage? Russia lost millions of its citizens in the Civil War, World War II, in times of terror ... And despite this, Russia's potential is not exhausted ...
    There is nothing moving towards progress in death, terror and violence, it is a path of degradation ...
    1. +4
      April 3 2015 11: 19
      Quote: Nayhas
      The Stalinists remind me of masochists who are ready for accomplishment only after a couple of kicks in the kidneys.
      Expressing their adoration by Stalin, they thereby support the opinion of the Russophobes that Russians and others like them are absolutely hopeless that they can restore order in their society only through decimation ...
      And when they say that "thanks" to Stalin, I say OPPOSITE to Stalin and his Bolshevik gop company. Despite the Stalinist executioners, Sergei Pavlovich Korolev took us into space, despite the investigator who kicked him in the head and broke his jaw, despite the Kolyma camps, the cold and hunger turned a young healthy man into a half-dead "wick" ... After all, only thanks to Glushko, and not To Stalin, Korolev did not die in the camp, but became what he became.
      Saying AGAINST, I point out the potential of Russia that existed before 1917, the greatest chess player Alekhine A.A., aircraft designer I.I.Sikorsky, creator of the television V.K. Zvorykin only by pure chance did not disappear in the basements of the Cheka. A member of the All-Ukrainian Revolutionary Committee Manuilsky who was already sentenced to be shot was saved by Aleksey, Sikorsky fled when he found out that he was on the Cheka’s list without waiting for arrest, Zvorykin was already in the shooting basement of the Yekaterinburg Cheka, but was able to escape ...
      And how many did not have time to escape? Who was not lucky and had no patronage? Russia lost millions of its citizens in the Civil War, World War II, in times of terror ... And despite this, Russia's potential is not exhausted ...
      There is nothing moving towards progress in death, terror and violence, it is a path of degradation ...

      --- hi
    2. +3
      April 3 2015 11: 46
      Yes, all American aviation 40-x - the creation of Russian engineers émigrés! And not only aircraft!
    3. -2
      April 3 2015 12: 28
      Stalinists are neo-idolaters.
      1. -1
        April 3 2015 14: 36
        RUSS (2)
        Stalin and the history of the country are not separable, but anyone who carries stupidity like you, rather an unnecessary type in society, always ready to serve someone else, more precisely now, serving cookies ...
        The experience of Stalin's activity is the experience of creating a new, alternative to the West, civilization, the experience of great achievements in conditions of international isolation and constant military threat, the experience of creating a superpower, the experience of the Great Victory. What Stalin was able to do was not possible for any other world leader in such a historically short time! Discrediting this experience is criminal in relation to the present and future of our people. The West has zoologically hated Stalin ever since his leaders "for some reason kept their hands at the seams" when he appeared during the war years.
        1. -2
          April 6 2015 15: 02
          And what happened after the accomplishments?
    4. +2
      April 3 2015 14: 34
      Nayhas (2
      You are a nice man, who are you, the conductor of the frankly insolent Saxon vision of the History of Russia?
      Then it's definitely about you ..
      The ideological war to destroy the Soviet state was waged against all its systems - from the army and the economy to education and health care. The introduction of a system of needs that were met only through the West and the "recruitment" of the elite with its transformation into an anti-national force became a powerful weapon of destruction of the country. With its help, the dismantling of historical memory was carried out, and to a very great depth, the symbols that strengthened national identity were defamed or ridiculed, an anti-state feeling, hostility to the main institutions of the state was kindled in people. “Perestroika” was conceived as such - as the erasure of our historical memory, a return to the “main road of civilization”. It got to the point that the American point of view became dominant in the interpretation of many events in Russian history. The English historian Catherine Meridale even wrote that "It is the American interpretation that will dominate the future image of Russian history. This is an exclusively peaceful expropriation that deprives the nation of its own history."
  19. +5
    April 3 2015 09: 49
    The article is normal! But the conclusions, comrades, must be made right: now we must fight in Ukraine for our power, since we did it under our dear leader Stalin IV Benderovskaya scum to the wall! In the name of revolution !!
    1. 0
      April 3 2015 12: 20
      Quote: htlernjh
      The article is normal! But the conclusions, comrades, must be made right: now we must fight in Ukraine for our power, since we did it under our dear leader Stalin IV Benderovskaya scum to the wall! In the name of revolution !!

      Do you propose to throw thousands of our Russian boys into the heat of war? Are you not enough Afghan? We broke up at 91. We don’t need the extra land paid for by the blood of our soldiers --- history does not teach you anything.
  20. +5
    April 3 2015 09: 58
    I note one thing: Stalin, unlike Hitler, even in the most difficult years, did not have conspiracies of generals.
    1. ivan.ru
      +1
      April 3 2015 10: 06
      because Stalin managed earlier, to the most difficult year
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  21. -3
    April 3 2015 10: 02
    Comrade Stalin fought not only with the fifth column, but also with the opposition in principle. And of course he had logic in this, because the state was young and dissatisfied with the Soviet power, as the war showed - when even a number of generals collaborated with the Germans, there were many. Stalin tried to make society absolutely monolithic (which incidentally contradicts human nature, as you know how many people - there are so many opinions). He did it rather harshly, even the potential opposition was nipped in the bud. And he did the impossible, people were accustomed to total submission to the authorities. The trouble is that the government and the people were on slightly different planes. On the one hand, the authorities said that it acts on behalf of the people and for the good of the people. And on the other hand, the people did not have any leverage over power. As you know, the change of the supreme power in the USSR occurred as a result of an under-war struggle of different groups, and the people did not influence it in any way, stood aside and waited for someone to be appointed.
    And this system built by Stalin worked against himself. When Khrushchev came to power and the struggle against the cult of personality began. After all, in every city there were monuments; streets, squares, collective farms, factories, ships, etc., had the name of leader and teacher. And all this pretty quickly demolished, removed and renamed. And without much disturbance from the masses. In my opinion, only in Gori people defended the monument, but the rest was quiet - without demonstrations. I can assume that people still wrote letters to the Central Committee and to the newspapers - only who were interested in their opinion?
    But moreover, this system worked against the state. When Gorbachev came to power, there was simply no real strength to resist him. There were no compensatory mechanisms. For party decisions they are not discussed but implemented. And when some understood what was going on, it was already too late, the system went into a deep peak.
  22. +4
    April 3 2015 10: 04
    The authorship of the term "fifth column" is attributed to the Spanish general Emilio Mola, who commanded the army of the Franks during the civil war, based on the testimony of Madrid journalist of the New York Times William Carney. According to Carney, advancing on Madrid, Mola broadcast on radio in early October 1936 an appeal to the population of the Spanish capital, in which he stated that in addition to the four army columns at his disposal, he also had a fifth column in Madrid itself, which at a decisive moment would strike from the rear.
  23. ivan.ru
    +3
    April 3 2015 10: 04
    Quote: fvandaku
    Today the situation is reminiscent of the 40s in many ways. And much will depend on the will of our top political leadership. Whether they can or not.

    "Infected with corruption, the state apparatus, as well as the party apparatus full of" Trotskyists "and" right deviators ", with the beginning of the war, paralyze the activities of the state and party machinery. Officials and party members will take care of saving their skins and embedding them in the" new reality " The system of work of the rear and the railways will be paralyzed, the evacuation of industry, reserves and valuables from the western regions of the country will be disrupted. The Red Army will be deprived of the supply of weapons, ammunition, food, fuel and other materials. The formation of new divisions and the people's militia will be disrupted. that in such a situation the Red Army, despite the heroic resistance of individual formations, and the skillful actions of a part of the generals, will be doomed to defeat "

    replace the red army with the army of the Russian Federation - and word for word this is about today. but can Putin do what Stalin did?
    1. +1
      April 3 2015 11: 25
      After the civil war --- every Jew was given a position, here is the bureaucracy and the bloated state apparatus.
    2. +1
      April 3 2015 14: 37
      ivan.ru
      Putin, who refused to be a puppet, should be destroyed (removed from power), Russia should be punished (destroyed?) - this is the sentence of hyperperium, which has appropriated the functions of the world gendarme, judge and executioner and is constantly trying to legitimize its violent actions on a global scale. The global Hitler hatching before our eyes is ready to start a new big war against Russian civilization, in fact, he practically started it. In these conditions, Russia has only one way out - to oppose the collective will of the consolidated people to the world gendarme. Today, Putin has an unprecedented credit of trust (and not only in Russia, but also beyond its borders), and on this basis it is necessary to unite the nation and ignite people by a common cause.
      Having said "A" in foreign policy, the president needs to say everything else. There can be no independent foreign policy in the context of a macroeconomic policy pursued according to Western recipes and dependence on Western supplies for a wide range of strategically important commodity items. Where the economy of following Western recipes leads, we know well not only from the example of Latin American countries and some of the closest neighbors, but also from our own recent experience. In the meantime, at the helm of macroeconomic policy continues to be, in the words of A. Dugin, who is under US sanctions, the "sixth column" - those who, verbally supporting Putin, in fact support a liberal and pro-Western Russia, for globalization and integration into the Western world, for Russia to become a state-corporation in which the rules and laws are established by the global West, inciting a war with Russian civilization. This "sixth column", never contradicting the president, actually restrains him in every possible way, blocking all attempts to create a self-sufficient economy. Without removing the "sixth column" from economic levers, the country will not be able to make a breakthrough in development.
  24. ivan.ru
    +2
    April 3 2015 10: 15
    Quote: Nayhas
    Quote: I.P. Stalnov.
    GDP is negative, under STALIN it reached 19% per annum, here is an example to follow,

    Japan, Germany without executions and camps from total devastation to world economic leaders ...

    complete devastation was in the USSR, from Brest to Stalingrad, and the United States did not give money for restoration in exchange for sovereignty, on the contrary, they launched the Cold War and the arms race
    1. 0
      April 3 2015 11: 28
      Quote: ivan.ru
      Quote: Nayhas
      Quote: I.P. Stalnov.
      GDP is negative, under STALIN it reached 19% per annum, here is an example to follow,

      Japan, Germany without executions and camps from total devastation to world economic leaders ...

      complete devastation was in the USSR, from Brest to Stalingrad, and the United States did not give money for restoration in exchange for sovereignty, on the contrary, they launched the Cold War and the arms race

      And to us, do not forget to feed half of Germany, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Poland, half of Austria.
      1. MrK
        +2
        April 3 2015 12: 53
        Freak! When you understand a simple thing - we will not feed, others will feed. But already as our enemies. Stalin established popular democracy in Eastern Europe with only one goal: not to have an enemy directly on the western border.
  25. +6
    April 3 2015 10: 26
    I don’t understand either stubborn Stalinists or anti-Stalinists. Stalin is an ambiguous figure, and it is simply stupid to consider his actions outside the circumstances surrounding him. There is only one answer to those who curse Stalin: look at the result, namely: rabid revolutionaries have been destroyed, industrialization has been carried out, the USSR is a great railway power, the alliance of Western "democracies" with the shock "pig" of German National Socialism has been destroyed in advance, the victory is heavy, bloody, almost against all Europe, and against Japan - it was won, the country was restored, the country for the first time (!) Ensured its long-term security due to the Atomic Project, the beginning of spacewalk was laid, and even the same "Khrushchevs" were already in the plan. To those who glorify Stalin, I can say figuratively: "If a crocodile ate your enemy, it does not mean that the crocodile is your friend." Stalin's coming to power (rather conditional) in 1929 marked the beginning of a change in the qualitative and national composition of the VKPB, - it was filled with Russian communists, relying on the lower ranks of the party, with the gradual ousting of "Geshetmakhars from the revolution" and other NEP lovers on Russian bones. As for the genocide of the Russian people, the most terrible period is the 20s, and here it is inappropriate to hang all the dogs on Stalin. In the same 30s, the opponents of the Stalinist "line" did not disappear anywhere among the masses, they also worked in the party, state and punitive apparatus, naturally to the best of their convictions, and DIRECTLY (!) Took part in the repressions, bringing them to the terrible scope. Before the Second World War - 15 years of the internal party "war of lines", smeared in time and space, and of course the common people were raking in this war. Stalin is not a positive hero, but neither is he an absolute evil. Proceeding from the realities, Stalin is the best that the Bolshevik clique that took possession of the country could give birth to with leaders entirely from the "chosen by God" people who dreamed of becoming the new "red landowners" over the finally suppressed serfs. And Stalin's method - to destroy the rabid revolutionaries with the help of a little less rabid, then clean it up again - in his position simply had no alternative, if at all to raise the question of preserving the country. It doesn't matter that Russia was "Soviet" under the red flag. In any case, the situation "surrounded by enemies" is not a myth, but a terrible reality. And communism / socialism has nothing to do with it.
  26. ivan.ru
    +1
    April 3 2015 10: 29
    Quote: Nayhas
    The Stalinists remind me of masochists who are ready for accomplishment only after a couple of kicks in the kidneys.
    Expressing their adoration by Stalin, they thereby support the opinion of the Russophobes that Russians and others like them are absolutely hopeless that they can restore order in their society only through decimation ...
    And when they say that "thanks" to Stalin, I say OPPOSITE to Stalin and his Bolshevik gop company. Despite the Stalinist executioners, Sergei Pavlovich Korolev took us into space, despite the investigator who kicked him in the head and broke his jaw, despite the Kolyma camps, the cold and hunger turned a young healthy man into a half-dead "wick" ... After all, only thanks to Glushko, and not To Stalin, Korolev did not die in the camp, but became what he became.
    Saying AGAINST, I point out the potential of Russia that existed before 1917, the greatest chess player Alekhine A.A., aircraft designer I.I.Sikorsky, creator of the television V.K. Zvorykin only by pure chance did not disappear in the basements of the Cheka. A member of the All-Ukrainian Revolutionary Committee Manuilsky who was already sentenced to be shot was saved by Aleksey, Sikorsky fled when he found out that he was on the Cheka’s list without waiting for arrest, Zvorykin was already in the shooting basement of the Yekaterinburg Cheka, but was able to escape ...
    And how many did not have time to escape? Who was not lucky and had no patronage? Russia lost millions of its citizens in the Civil War, World War II, in times of terror ... And despite this, Russia's potential is not exhausted ...
    There is nothing moving towards progress in death, terror and violence, it is a path of degradation ...

    did you hear about the great depression in the us in the 30s? or about the situation in Germany in the 17-20 years? tough and sometimes cruel measures were taken to preserve the country, only in this way could they raise production to the modern level, only in this way could they defeat the euroreich. and in the 90s, without any war, industry was destroyed, the population suffered from hunger and disease, the army degraded, society fell apart. Do you think this progress? yes, liberalistically, this is progress, an approximation to universal values. But can we only have time to restore our potential, not only industrial, but also spiritual, before the outbreak of war?
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  28. ivan.ru
    +2
    April 3 2015 10: 32
    Quote: Nayhas
    the government of these countries is appointed from the outside, and do other countries represent interests in the international arena?

    you answered yourself
  29. ivan.ru
    +5
    April 3 2015 10: 35
    Quote: andrew42
    ... Proceeding from the realities, Stalin is the best that the Bolshevik clique that took possession of the country could give birth to with leaders entirely from the "chosen by God" people who dreamed of becoming the new "red landowners" over the finally suppressed serfs. And Stalin's method - to destroy the rabid revolutionaries with the help of a little less rabid, then clean it up again - in his position simply had no alternative, if at all to raise the question of preserving the country. It doesn't matter that Russia was "Soviet" under the red flag. In any case, the situation "in the ring of enemies" is not a myth, but a terrible reality. And communism / socialism has nothing to do with it.

    it is absolutely correct and very suitable for the current situation
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  31. +4
    April 3 2015 10: 43
    I support the article 90%. I will note that it is, of course, impossible to glorify Stalin categorically. And I will also allow you to correct the possible scenario described by the author: "... stocks quickly ran out, and possible supplies from England and the United States did not cover all needs." I'll even make it worse. - ENGLAND would join with the rest of Nazi Europe as a 2nd strike echelon, and the US and Japan would agree to divide Siberia and the Far East. Analyzing after the fact, I come to the conclusion that Stalin knew perfectly well WHO and WHOSE MONEY was behind the nurturing German fascist machine. Unfortunately, this thesis was brought to the surface only under Brezhnev, and this thesis "CAUTION, ZIONISM!" Jae was a book. Whether socialism is bad or not is a separate question. But there is a fact: a country with a completely different ideological stance has stood "against all", having managed to ensure discord in the "ring of enemies" - England against Germany, the United States against Japan. From the point of view of geopolitics, this is a miracle. PS Who knows, if Hitler hadn't lost his life in "Drang nach Osten" in 1941, he probably would have come to a separate peace with the Brits in 1942. And this would not have been the Anglo-French projects of rejection of the Caucasus in 1939, it would have been Hitler's Germany in KVADRAT. By analogy with Germanic mythology, the hellish wolf Fenrir broke loose from the chain ahead of time, having bitten one master's servant (Britain), and devoured the second (France). And in this Russia was lucky, despite the terrible defeat at the beginning of the war.
    1. +1
      April 3 2015 11: 40
      All this is so --- but excuse me, these socialist experiments cost the Russian people painfully. In the next stages of socialism, as the thirsty call here, --- there will be no Russians at all and this should be remembered by everyone else.
  32. +2
    April 3 2015 10: 47
    Recall the 20s. The party has pluralism of opinions. She is constantly shaken by party discussions. Discussions are constantly held both in state and party institutions, and in enterprises. Was it the “fifth column”? I do not know. It just had a lot of different currents. No one knew the ultimate truth. We built socialism first. The merit of Stalin is that at a certain stage he said, stop talking, it's time to work. It's time to stop all discussions. Let’s go this way. You can no longer argue, otherwise they will crush us. Who does not agree or leaves or will be destroyed. And whether the dissenters were traitors and the “fifth column” - I’m not sure. Something like this.
    1. 0
      April 3 2015 10: 50
      Quote: Vladimir1960
      And whether the dissenters were traitors and the “fifth column” - I’m not sure.

      Yes, they were just called so, as then, and now, a stereotype of thinking, it’s necessary to understand the brains, sometimes you need to look in the face with unpleasant facts, but why, when it’s more pleasant, pull out a stamp and blurt it out all over the world
  33. 0
    April 3 2015 10: 52
    Quote: ivan.ru
    Quote: andrew42
    ... Proceeding from the realities, Stalin is the best that the Bolshevik clique that took possession of the country could give birth to with leaders entirely from the "chosen by God" people who dreamed of becoming the new "red landowners" over the finally suppressed serfs. And Stalin's method - to destroy the rabid revolutionaries with the help of a little less rabid, then clean it up again - in his position simply had no alternative, if at all to raise the question of preserving the country. It doesn't matter that Russia was "Soviet" under the red flag. In any case, the situation "in the ring of enemies" is not a myth, but a terrible reality. And communism / socialism has nothing to do with it.

    it is absolutely correct and very suitable for the current situation

    Dear Ivan, I agree with you 100%. Currently, all television channels, with rare exceptions, will necessarily spit on Soviet power and Stalin. This is especially different channel 365 days. Question of attitude to I.V. Stalin should be defined as a litmus test of attitude towards our Great Motherland. Those who vulgarize I.V. Stalin, that accomplice of Nazism and an ally of Americans and the EU. Of course, ukronatsistov and Bandera. And, judging by the number of minusovshchikov, there are a lot of them.
    1. +1
      April 3 2015 11: 52
      And stupid people, alas, even more!
      1. -1
        April 3 2015 18: 50
        kalibr
        laudable self-criticism.
  34. +1
    April 3 2015 10: 55
    Pretty informative))
  35. -2
    April 3 2015 10: 58
    Student essays are better at writing.
  36. Pablo. 1970
    -4
    April 3 2015 11: 07
    Author shaped doodle.
    His people, stupid and - without Stalin’s ghoul, would never have managed the enemy himself.

    How many times has it been said to such "authors" that the people won the war, not Stalin!
    1. +1
      April 3 2015 14: 40
      People everywhere and always are a tool. The people can do nothing without a leader. It's just a bunch of people. And only the leader gives goals to this heap. And about the "ghoul" is not necessary. Only liberal idolaters of Anglo-Saxons and Zhida (not Jews, mind you) call him a ghoul. There was a cleaning of the rows. Therefore, there was a strong rear in the war. Now you will be killed from behind by your former "friends". The rear will be full of traitories who will stab you in the back.
      (What clever man did Zhida replace a Jew on the site?)
      1. Pablo. 1970
        -1
        April 3 2015 20: 00
        Stalin Ghoul and Assassin.
        The same frenzied and cold-blooded killer as Lenin and the like degenerates of the human race.
        And you sds87 probably should relocate to comrades in North Korea.
        They are very close to you in their attitude ...
        1. 0
          April 3 2015 21: 26
          No thanks. I’m not going to leave Russia. And I advise you to listen to normal historians about Stalin like Yuri Zhukov, and not modern liberal publicists. You can change your mind if you do not have it paid ...
          1. +2
            April 3 2015 22: 59
            Quote: sds87
            No thanks. I’m not going to leave Russia. And I advise you to listen to normal historians about Stalin like Yuri Zhukov, and not modern liberal publicists. You can change your mind if you do not have it paid ...

            Why should I read historians? My father and grandfathers lived at that time, and I had the opportunity to find out what life really was then, and it is very different from that written by historian writers.
            1. 0
              April 3 2015 23: 08
              Imagine my grandfathers and grandmothers lived under Stalin, but none of them ever spoke badly of him. Yes, he was cruel, but only because of this he led the country through the war and defeated the Nazis together with the people.
              1. +1
                April 3 2015 23: 41
                Quote: sds87
                Imagine my grandfathers and grandmothers lived under Stalin, but none of them ever spoke badly of him. Yes, he was cruel, but only because of this he led the country through the war and defeated the Nazis together with the people.

                I sometimes have this opinion, having heard enough of my comrades here: that the Bolsheviks started the whole canoe in October 17, only for the sake of one thing - to win the Second World War.
  37. +4
    April 3 2015 11: 10
    Too, too simplistic, like that. But in any case, it was the millstones into which both the guilty and the innocent fell. The names of the innocently ruined cannot be counted and it is not necessary to insult their memory; we know too little to draw definite conclusions. Probably all of these were victims of a civil war that did not end (which simply went into a different phase).
    It was a difficult time, only twenty years with a little have passed since the collapse of the Russian Empire and the subsequent frenzied fratricide, and such a test for the country. This is how we are now after the collapse of the USSR, the same not until destroyed with the same fifth column of nat traitors. It’s even hard to imagine how our country withstood all these attacks of the 17th, 41st, 90th defending its right to exist.
  38. +3
    April 3 2015 11: 57
    Enemies have worn out a lot, but the principle: "The forest is cut - the chips fly!" - is also wrong. One example: did SP Korolev also belong to the "fifth column"? Or Rokossovsky, or Gorbatov, the most famous commanders of the war. Yes, and Zhukov was "run over", he, however, was not a ram in anticipation of the slaughter and fought back by sending a telegram to Moscow. And how many people who could benefit the USSR perished in the basements or camps of the NKVD?
    1. +1
      April 3 2015 12: 39
      Regarding Rokossovsky:

      When Khrushchev asked Rokossovsky to write some nasty things about Stalin, he answered: "Comrade Stalin is holy to me." The next day, Konstantin Konstantinovich came to work, and in his office, in his chair, an enko is already sitting and hands him the decision to remove him. This is how it is done. Rokossovsky says: “I’ll get up in the morning, do exercises and remember that I have nowhere to go. Nobody needs us right now, even some people interfere with depicting everything in their own way ”


      Once at a government reception, they made a toast to Nikita Sergeyevich, and everyone reached for him with glasses, even a lame Meretskov, while Rokossovsky and I stood in the middle somewhere, talked, and remained standing - probably noticed this, because we are there were long, and we were not invited to such receptions anymore ...


      “One Hundred and Forty Conversations with Molotov” Conversation with Marshal Golovanov, Felix Chuev
    2. MrK
      0
      April 3 2015 14: 34
      How much? You can name it. And who exactly is guilty?
      1. 0
        April 3 2015 15: 09
        Usually they cannot, it’s easier to turn to Solzhenitsyn - 50 mio in the Second World War and about 100 mio during the Soviet era
        1. MrK
          +1
          April 3 2015 19: 07
          How can you believe Solzhenitsyn after reading his speech in the US Congress. But he was not alone talking about the millions of executed. For example, historian Roy Medvedev spoke about 40 millions of repressed, A. Solzhenitsyn - about 80 million. And then who will surpass anyone: I. Bunich - 100 million, Yu. Karjakin - 120 million, and finally B. Nemtsov - 150 million, and this is with the then population of the USSR in 170 million !!!
          According to the certificate prepared in February 1954 by Prosecutor General of the USSR R. Rudenko, Minister of Internal Affairs of the USSR S. Kruglov and Minister of Justice of the USSR K. Gorshenin for Khrushchev, for the period from 1921 to 1 on February 1954, that is, for 33 of the year 3 777 380 people were convicted of counter-revolutionary crimes by the OGPU collegium, the NKVD Troika, the Special Conference, the Military College, the courts and military tribunals, including 642 980 people sentenced to death [http://forum-msk.org/material /kompromat/3099573.html
          , Enemies of the people are named.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEQVS57-JEM&feature=endscreen&NR=1]. Из них половина расстрелянных приходится на 1937-38 годы, т.е. на период «большого террора» Ежова.
          Some time has passed since the beginning of perestroika and the famous “perestroika” historian Roy Medvedev said: “My estimates of the scale of the Stalinist repressions made before the opening of the secret archives are exaggerated at times. Sorry, I was sincerely mistaken. "
          Somehow these numbers do not fit with the 80 million prisoners of Solzhenitsyn.
          1. +2
            April 3 2015 23: 51
            Strange, but these three million "official", probably the same people, they also had relatives - also suffered. What is noteworthy, under the tsar, they could have been flogged, but since flogging, this is an old regime - the communists have one type of punishment - execution, regardless of past merits.
  39. +1
    April 3 2015 12: 20
    Interesting article.Author +
    So Americans should thank not only Roosevelt in their economic miracle, but also Uncle Joe.
    And in principle, this was in the interests of our people at that stage of development.
    After the devastation of the civil war and "orderlies" along the border perimeter.
    Poland, Romania, Finland, Sweden, Turkey, Yapo
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    2. -1
      April 3 2015 13: 00
      Interesting article.Author +
      So Americans should thank not only Roosevelt in their economic miracle, but also Uncle Joe.
      And in principle, this was in the interests of our people at that stage of development.
      After the devastation of the civil war and "orderlies" along the border perimeter.
      Poland, Romania, Finland, Sweden, Turkey, Japan .. yes, everyone! Could just stupidly declare simultaneously mobilization with a "curtain" so to speak.
      Only the Russian Empire could cope with such a load. With clear algorithms of carrot and stick.
      Stalin repeated the path of the Empire with a lot of mistakes. The main thing is distrust of the Russian people. And yet, Stalin is monumental! The winners are not judged.
      In addition, the leader himself recognized the strength and monumental power of the Russian people. During the war.
  40. 0
    April 3 2015 12: 40
    Quote: kalibr
    After reporting for hitting you with a rubber truncheon on the ribs, you will feel that you want me to be! And tell in detail how you wanted to blow up the railway in order to harm our country!

    Is there any experience? wassat
  41. 0
    April 3 2015 13: 28
    Quote: semirek
    Dear, Such a question for you: how can you distinguish five-columners from ordinary people? Do they go with tags? And what if your neighbor on the landing, to whom you, for example, did not give up your place in the elevator, got angry that he would knock you in the NKVD that you supposedly listening to the BBC at night, and you’ll definitely be taken.


    And if the question is put differently. What if, let's say, you live in a "democratic Omerik", and ride your own cool car (in Omerik, there is nowhere without a car). So that's it. Suppose you once did not give way to another American car (even if you acted in accordance with all the rules of the road). And another Omerican took and snitched on you for THAT, and accused you of terrorism. And try to calculate your chances of not ending up somewhere in GUANTANOMO. I think (in terms of chances) you will not have so many, because after 9/11 they have a short conversation with the terrorists (for more information, watch the movie "Unthinkable"). And this is in the "country of victorious democracy" and has not fought on its territory for more than 100 years.
    1. -2
      April 3 2015 14: 47
      Quote: sdv68
      Quote: semirek
      Dear, Such a question for you: how can you distinguish five-columners from ordinary people? Do they go with tags? And what if your neighbor on the landing, to whom you, for example, did not give up your place in the elevator, got angry that he would knock you in the NKVD that you supposedly listening to the BBC at night, and you’ll definitely be taken.


      And if the question is put differently. What if, let's say, you live in a "democratic Omerik", and ride your own cool car (in Omerik, there is nowhere without a car). So that's it. Suppose you once did not give way to another American car (even if you acted in accordance with all the rules of the road). And another Omerican took and snitched on you for THAT, and accused you of terrorism. And try to calculate your chances of not ending up somewhere in GUANTANOMO. I think (in terms of chances) you will not have so many, because after 9/11 they have a short conversation with the terrorists (for more information, watch the movie "Unthinkable"). And this is in the "country of victorious democracy" and has not fought on its territory for more than 100 years.

      And what does America have to do with it? And if so, they will never shoot a great scientist, a great engineer, and I am silent about the generals.
      1. 0
        April 3 2015 17: 12
        Google "McCarthyism". Will amuse you smile
      2. 0
        April 3 2015 18: 15
        I have a communist friend in my city, a former university assistant professor, but without protection. Marx, Lenin do not leave the language! The righteous one is already smoking! And my daughter does not get out of America. What is it? So those who write "for" here simply did not know how to fuck it. And they will stall!
  42. 0
    April 3 2015 13: 36
    Quote: Vladimir1960
    And whether the dissenters were traitors and the “fifth column” - I’m not sure.


    Those who disagree are one. They are always and everywhere. They are usually called OPPOSITION. But the "fifth column" is still somewhat different. These are those who disagree, who do not want to put up with the actions of the authorities, and want to get hold of power by themselves, by any means, even at the cost of an armed coup. A recent example is Euromaidan.

    So we managed to avoid it. But if the "fifth column" won in Russia, then count another 3-5 years at least another year. And what this threatened in the late 30s, I think, is clear without clarification.
  43. +1
    April 3 2015 13: 42
    Neither full references, nor a list of references, nor an assessment of existing authoritative sources. The article did not leave anything, since it was clearly of a propaganda sense and was designed for the appropriate audience.
    1. 0
      April 3 2015 14: 01
      Quote: brn521
      Neither full references, nor a list of references, nor an assessment of existing authoritative sources. The article did not leave anything, since it was clearly of a propaganda sense and was designed for the appropriate audience.

      The site is increasingly slipping into cheers-patriotism
  44. -1
    April 3 2015 14: 15
    Quote: brn521
    Neither full references, nor a list of references, nor an assessment of available authoritative sources


    If you need "authoritative sources" ask yourself a simple question and try to answer it yourself

    -

    Why haven't all the archives concerning the "Great Terror" and the famine of the early 30s been opened? Who now benefits from hiding the truth from the people, when practically all the participants in those events no longer walk on this sinful land? When the anti-Stalinist ideology has been introduced into our society for more than 30 years (and this is not counting the times of the cornman). What is hidden in these archives? Who benefits from hiding this information?

    -

    Until now, even the "case of the marshals" has not been completely opened. Why? Although, the fact that the "conspiracy of marshals" took place is actually recognized even by such pro-government channels as ORT.

    PS: As for my opinion, personally I have at least 3-4 versions of the reasons that led to 37-38 years. And the "defeat of the fifth column" is just one of them. I will say one thing. In the late 30s, few doubted that a new war was about to begin. And Stalin, like no one else, least of all needed to arrange a "thoughtless great terror" against his people, so as not to provoke the people to go over to the enemy. By whom, no one called him a fool. Not then, not now.
    1. MrK
      +2
      April 3 2015 14: 50
      Dear SDV. Archives on "terror" OPENED IN 1993.
      About 30 documents remained closed. But they don't change the essence. Why no one writes that in 1939 more than 330 repressed people were released from the camps. Why are they silent about the fact that Beria created "sharashka" saved several thousand engineers and designers? Why don't you say that the party in 000 - at the Plenum, and in 1938 at the Congress of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) condemned the repression. What was written in all the newspapers. Why keep quiet about the thousands of NKVDs who went on trial. And from the bottom 1939 were shot in court. Why are you still repeating the arguments of the scum Khrushchev and AN Yakovlev, without trying to penetrate, analyze, understand the social processes of those years? Once again I ask: who wants to understand, read my first comment.
  45. +2
    April 3 2015 14: 20
    Quote: Pablo. 1970
    How many times has it been said to such "authors" that the people won the war, not Stalin!


    A photographs cameraAnd not photographer.

    And the pictures are painted / written paintAnd not artist.

    You yourself are not funny?
  46. Ricard
    -3
    April 3 2015 14: 22
    at the same time, he transplanted half of the country, shot all the knowing military men, the Red Army suffered tremendous losses because of it, it was not he who won, but the people of the USSR, and rather contrary to his leadership.
    1. MrK
      +1
      April 3 2015 14: 56
      Respected! And why did the people blow the Crimean war? Why did you lose the war with Japan in 1905? Why did the regiments leave the front in 1917? The answer.
      1. +1
        April 3 2015 19: 43
        Quote: mrark
        Respected! And why did the people blow the Crimean war? Why did you lose the war with Japan in 1905? Why did the regiments leave the front in 1917? The answer.

        And why did he win the Turkish one at 77, And why the mighty Soviet Union could not defeat a couple of million Finns at 39, And who shouted: the proletariat has no fatherland, and why defend something that doesn’t, however, next year a "socialist" fatherland appeared - and that's it joyfully ran to protect him.
        1. MrK
          +1
          April 3 2015 21: 24
          Who told you that the Finns were not defeated. The Soviet people under the leadership of Stalin won all wars. And then in the 80, the fifth column crawled out as part of a shrill and timid intelligentsia. And they destroyed the great country. And I think that you are very happy about this.
          1. -3
            April 3 2015 22: 08
            Quote: mrark
            . The Soviet people under the leadership of Stalin won all wars.

            The Union was bashfully silent about the Finnish war, talking about it in two lines and about a joint parade with the Germans in Poland in the 39th when it was shared with Hitler, the same did not apply much.
            1. +1
              April 3 2015 22: 27
              RUSS (
              Useless fiction that does not have a grain of truth in itself.
          2. -3
            April 3 2015 22: 35
            Quote: mrark
            Who told you that the Finns were not defeated. The Soviet people under the leadership of Stalin won all wars. And then in the 80, the fifth column crawled out as part of a shrill and timid intelligentsia. And they destroyed the great country. And I think that you are very happy about this.

            Yes, the Finns were defeated in 40, but at what cost? By the way, why are you silent about fraternizing with the Germans? in Poland, although I don’t like Poles, excuse me, we chopped off a piece of the neighboring state, the border with which was established by an agreement between the Soviet Government and Poland in 21, but we ourselves complain that Hitler violated the pact --- and we are against no Poles? And after that we want the Poles to respect us and love us.
            1. +8
              April 3 2015 22: 55
              Quote: semirek
              And after that we want the Poles to respect and love us.

              I don’t know who and how, but personally I need Polish love and respect, like a dog “hello”. The piece that we "chopped off" from them, they themselves chopped off (and this time without quotes) just from us. And the notorious 1921 treaty became possible only thanks to another "genius" - Marshal Tukhachevsky. So bringing in troops NEXT DAY after the government fled from their country is just an act of restoring justice. If your room was "scrubbed" in favor of a neighbor-urkagan, and after his death you decided to return it to yourself, until other neighbors took it, you won't consider it dishonest?

              About fraternization and the mythical parade in Brest - it is better not to disgrace. The mere fact that, apart from our liberal press, no one, not even the Germans talk about it, means something. And those three or four photographs that they like to refer to more speak more about the simple transfer of the city from one boss to another. Like the photo of a couple of tanks.
            2. +3
              April 3 2015 23: 01
              Quote: semirek
              in Poland, although I do not like the Poles, but I'm sorry, we chopped off a piece of the neighboring state, the border with which was established by an agreement between the Soviet Government and Poland in 21

              Very controversial statement ....
              I want to note that, following the results of the Second World War and the 2nd MV, Poland moved away, thanks to the USSR, to many original German lands, and given that the 2nd MV began on September 1, 1939, Poland was divided during the war, moreover, Poland at all was captured by Germany and there was simply no one to conduct any negotiations with. Nato, the moment Germany generally considered Poland the territory of the 3rd Reich! And by the way the geyropa did not really mind it lol
              Everything else is lyrics .... hi
            3. 0
              April 4 2015 15: 32
              Quote: semirek
              Poland, although I do not like the Poles, but I'm sorry, we chopped off a piece of the neighboring state, the border with which was established by the agreement between the Soviet Government and Poland in 21, but we ourselves complain that Hitler violated the pact --- and we are against are there no poles?


              Do you even know that Poland, like its allies, England and France, did not declare war on the USSR when it entered Western Belarus and Ukraine? What did the Polish commander order NOT to resist the Red Army? That the Treaty of Versailles defined precisely this border for the USSR (with the western regions) - so-called. Curzon Line?
              And the post-war borders of Poland were determined jointly by the victorious powers, do you think they chopped off territory from Poland? Yes
  47. +4
    April 3 2015 14: 30
    Quote: Nayhas
    And when they say that "thanks" to Stalin, I say OPPOSITE to Stalin and his Bolshevik gop company.


    Interestingly you do it. What a strange "red tyrant" you have, is it not? What is this "red, bloody executioner / tyrant" that allows you to go against your will? And besides, he does not punish apostates for this?

    Quote: Nayhas
    Indeed, only thanks to Glushko, and not to Stalin, Korolev did not die in the camp, but became what he became.


    And I recently read that Glushko was one of those who wrote a denunciation to the Queen.
  48. +4
    April 3 2015 14: 32
    Quote: denvar555
    Stalin pulling troops to the borders at the end of the 40th beginning of the 41st prepared a counterattack in the back of Hitler

    Counterattack in the back? Is that how you imagine it? Any nonsense write. Interesting at all! In Europe, the war is blazing for the second year, and the Red Army in the Urals was to be found?
  49. +1
    April 3 2015 15: 01
    Here came those who when will happen will shoot in the back. There are only dissidents in the rear.
    1. +3
      April 3 2015 15: 22
      After Stalin's death, the West found methods of influencing N. Khrushchev, who violated the basic principles of the development of a collectivist society, made a turn towards the values ​​of an individualistic society and launched the gradual growth of supporters of a Western consumer society in the USSR. The fight against repression, repeatedly exaggerated by Khrushchev, dealt a blow to the Soviet state. During the years of the Khrushchev Thaw, the West began work to recreate the "fifth column" in the USSR. From dissidents on ideological motives and simply greedy for temptations, future "spiritual leaders" were raised, whose authority was inflated with signs of hypertrophied respect. Using shady methods, they were promoted upward within the USSR. Thus, a brigade of influential persons was formed in the upper echelon of the ruling elite in all key areas. Without this group, which controlled the media and influenced the consciousness of the intelligentsia, the "success" of Gorbachev's perestroika would have been impossible.
      With the arrival of Gorbachev, the information and psychological war against the USSR intensified. The ideological war to destroy the Soviet state was waged against all its systems - from the army and the economy to education and health care. The introduction of a system of needs that were satisfied only through the West and the "recruitment" of the elite, turning it into an anti-national force, became a powerful weapon of destruction of the country. With its help, the dismantling of historical memory was carried out, and to a very great depth, the symbols that strengthened the national identity were defamed or ridiculed, an anti-state feeling, hostility to the main institutions of the state was kindled in people. “Perestroika” was conceived as such - as the erasure of our historical memory, a return to the “main road of civilization”. It got to the point that the American point of view became dominant in the interpretation of many events in Russian history. The English historian Catherine Meridale even wrote that "It is the American interpretation that will dominate the future image of Russian history. This is an exclusively peaceful expropriation that deprives the nation of its own history."
      1. +1
        April 3 2015 18: 19
        So A - they are smarter than us, if all this managed. B - our moral is bad, B - everything is bought, the question is about the price!
        1. 0
          April 3 2015 18: 54
          kalibr
          A) -attentive to the ideologies of the West like you, a ready-made element in the system of betrayal,
          B) the moral you have is pro-Western, put a lie thicker, rubbish more often, it doesn’t matter what a lie, it’s important that maybe something sticks,
          B) -so, the West buys for 30 cents per bundle, uses and throws it in the trash after the expiration of the need period.
          HISTORY is full of examples of activities like you.
          1. 0
            April 4 2015 14: 58
            So people like me a lot, but you are few, in the end, who will win ?!
      2. +2
        April 3 2015 20: 05
        Vladkavkaz - Thank you personally for the high-quality presentation of the latest history in a minimal format. Your knowledge and outlook amaze you in an amicable way. I share this point of view. I have read something myself in the "big" archives. For example, a criminal case on the conspiracy of Tukhachevsky and not only.
        1. +2
          April 3 2015 20: 17
          zubkoff46
          Thanks for appreciating my modest efforts.
  50. +2
    April 3 2015 15: 09
    Quote: mrark
    Dear SDV. Archives on "terror" OPENED IN 1993.


    Not everyone. And the matter is not limited to 30 documents. By the way, the historian Yuri Zhukov has written about this many times. Mentioning, in particular, the "Tangle case" about the conspiracy of the marshals. Why hasn't it been revealed? There, I think, there will be more documents than 30 pieces.
    1. 0
      April 3 2015 18: 26
      Without any "discoveries" and so everything was clear! In 1988, while working on a candidate for the party leadership, university science was in the archives of the Central Committee of the Komsomol. And there is a report from Central Asia: 110% of students in universities are involved in R&D. And my data on the Volga region is 5-6% maximum. And on the report (copy in the Central Committee of the CPSU) the inscription of one of the "members": "leave everything as it is"! I remember I felt scared, worse than in the civil defense class. Then a number of them found the same documents and realized that everything was doomed and would collapse. I started counting and decided that it would collapse in 95, when there would be another "echo" of the war. So it collapsed even earlier!
  51. +1
    April 3 2015 15: 12
    Quote: semirek
    And what does America have to do with it? And if so, they will never shoot a great scientist, a great engineer, and I am silent about the generals.


    And how many truly great scientists and engineers were innocently shot in the USSR?

    As for the generals, I’d better give a quote from Otto Skorzeny (have you heard of this?)

    “After a total, terrible purge of 1937, a new, political Russian army appeared that could endure the most brutal battles. "Russian generals carried out orders, and did not engage in conspiracies and betrayal, as often happened in our highest posts."

    Otto Skorzeny "Unknown War"
  52. +5
    April 3 2015 18: 06
    Quote: sdv68

    And how many truly great scientists and engineers were innocently shot in the USSR?

    As for the generals, I’d better give a quote from Otto Skorzeny (have you heard of this?)


    I don’t know, my grandfather’s brother was shot in ’37. He was a big man, a railway commissar, and held a responsible post. Communist, athlete, public figure. The family was repressed. I don’t know which fifth column it was. After the war he was rehabilitated. Grandfather sought, Hero of the Soviet Union, who went through the entire war from the first day to the last in regimental intelligence. Rehabilitation served as a trigger for repression of other people, which my grandfather later regretted until his death.

    I can’t judge Stalin, much less strangers, not to mention my relatives, but I am very frightened by such judgments as swinging a saber - bam there is no head, bam another one. Why, the forest is being cut down and the wood chips are flying. Only I can definitely say that a person armed with such a philosophy is a priori guilty. Indifference to someone else's life, to someone else's pain, to someone else's fate, makes it possible to justify everything, both mistakes and crimes. The heroic era does not justify human crimes, be it the desire to take possession of someone else's living space or the elimination of competitors in career growth, or the fantasies of a schizophrenic. It exists outside the assessment of the average person, and in no way covers the life of dung worms with its halo. You justified a mistake with a heroic story - you are its co-author, you justified its crime, you are an accomplice. Somewhere like this.
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    2. 0
      April 3 2015 19: 45
      Quote: Asadullah
      Indifference to someone else's life, to someone else's pain, to someone else's fate, makes it possible to justify everything, both mistakes and crimes.


      You're right. I wrote the rationale for this, then erased it and wrote again.... I know one thing for sure_-You're right.....
    3. 0
      April 3 2015 19: 57
      But you shouldn’t equate just self-interest or other shortcomings of people that we all have with the desire for the good of the country. As you know, when a forest is cut down, the chips fly.
      No matter how much good a person does, there will always be those who see bad in it.
      It is impossible to eradicate the fifth column without losses among the innocent population, this must be understood. Of course, it will be a shame for false accusations and all that stuff, we need to fight this as much as we can. Perhaps those people who imprisoned and handed down wild sentences are precisely the unfinished elements. Perhaps they, out of stupidity, misunderstanding, excessive zeal, or simply for the sake of self-interest, discredited the general idea. That’s why you and I exist, to stand up for the innocent, and not sit idly by.
      But fear for the lives of hundreds and thousands of people should not interfere with saving the country and millions of its citizens.
  53. 0
    April 3 2015 18: 40
    STALIN - THANK YOU!
  54. +1
    April 3 2015 19: 52
    Alas, in the end the “fifth column” won!
    Stalin died and the creeping opposition finished off the State!
    Now there is a final collapse and the last sale!
  55. +1
    April 3 2015 20: 17
    I.V. Stalin is not sinless and it is impossible to evaluate the time of his rule in black or white. During the period of his rule, the USSR became a power with which even the United States reckoned, the borders of the USSR were almost restored within the borders of the Russian Empire, despite the “massive” terror population of the USSR continued to grow, as did industry, the USSR won the Second World War when France capitulated in 10 days.
    In 1991, power in Russia was seized by the “democrats” - no one attacked, there were no terrible natural disasters, but the country lost its territories, population growth in the Russian Federation and in the former republics of the USSR decreased to negative, industry in 25 years could not recover to the level of 90, social security has decreased significantly, corruption has reached the highest echelons of power (the level of the Minister of Defense), decorative courts, etc., etc.
    Why did the country and the common people live better under a “bloody dictator” than under a “democratic” society? (there is no need to give demagogic examples with refrigerators and televisions, this is the general development of electronics)
  56. -2
    April 3 2015 20: 17
    Gentlemen, come to your senses, what a fight against the fifth column, millions were destroyed, the country has still not recovered from the demographic hole created by the bloody Stalin. Only thanks to this comrade, Russia is still dying out, and here you are writing his praises, instead of reviving the Motherland. How low is that. The article is still nonsense.
    1. 0
      April 3 2015 20: 26
      mihak88
      Would you like, in spite of your screaming, to get acquainted with the data that will stop your hysteria in the bud?
      1913
      175 million**
      January 1920:
      137,727,000*
      January 1926:
      148,656,000*
      January 1937:
      162,500,000*
      January 1939:
      168,524,000*
      June 1941:
      196,716,000*
      SO where are the MILLIONS and the demographic hole?
      Have you confused this very demographic hole with the events from 1992 to the present?
      1. -1
        April 4 2015 20: 15
        You should also cite the sources of this information to complete the picture, otherwise you could attribute a billion to the population of Russia!
    2. +1
      April 3 2015 20: 28
      What have we lost?

      To understand what Russia gained from 1945 to 1960 and from 1995 to 2010, one must first understand what it lost.

      During the war years (1941-1945), almost 27 million people died in the USSR (the RSFSR lost about 14 million), millions became disabled. In the RSFSR, 1710 cities and large urban-type settlements were destroyed, and in some of them there were practically no surviving buildings. About 71 thousand villages were burned. 30 thousand industrial enterprises, tens of thousands of bridges and crossings, hundreds of thousands of railways and highways were destroyed. During the war, the entire economy was adjusted to military needs. As a result of losses of population, enterprises and all kinds of infrastructure, the GDP of the territories liberated from occupation fell by more than 30% [1,2] (Fig. 1). But thanks to the incredible courage of every liberating soldier and every home front worker, the GDP of the entire country decreased by an average of 1940% compared to 14 [3,4,5].

      With the collapse of the Soviet Union, losses turned out to be no less impressive, and in some ways much more serious. The population of Russia during this period changed insignificantly, unlike other indicators, by only 4,4% [6], but a comparison of the level of GDP in PPP gives a depressing picture. In 1991, GDP at PPP in the RSFSR exceeded 1,9 billion US dollars (at the time of its collapse, the USSR had a GDP of 3,1 billion, and a few years earlier - 3,5 billion) [7]. In 1995, GDP at PPP in the Russian Federation was only 1,25 billion, i.e. loss 34,2% [8].

      FOR WHOM interested, the data is here
      http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/analysis/view/57006/
    3. 0
      April 3 2015 22: 59
      Only thanks to this comrade, Russia is still dying out,

      Stalin is dead, but people are dying because of him? Bloody pit... God, where did such smart people come from? Brainwashed completely by the Svanids, Solzhenitsyns and Anglo-Saxons (who start having diarrhea at the mere mention of Stalin in vanity)... Modern liberals have molded Stalin into a ghoul in order to somehow rise above his personality. Liberals are afraid of him, terribly, even dead. They know that everyone ends up being shot for their own business. And they throw mud at him, knowing that they won’t have to answer for their dirty, lying words...
      1. -1
        April 4 2015 20: 24
        There is such a thing in nature - mold. It appears in a favorable atmosphere. So, our dear no-brainer, who and who brainwashed one can argue about this endlessly, and certainly not with you. So, mold like you suddenly came out in a favorable atmosphere of hatred created by the current authorities and shout about the greatness of a man who was dying in the millions of my people and my ancestors, and no matter what you say, no matter what the data of false scientists who want to curry favor and they didn’t bring you to grab your piece, the essence will remain the essence - Stalin is a murderer of Russians and other peoples of the USSR, and no less than Hitler, deserves condemnation and oblivion. Well, what about the liberals? since you are not such a liberal, then I suggest you not to use the liberal opportunity to freely express your personal opinion on the Internet created by liberals. be true to your ideals to the end, do not play a half-hearted liberal hater and at the same time a user of their services. Be honest with yourself.
  57. 0
    April 3 2015 21: 01
    During the war, soldiers shouted: for the Motherland, for Stalin! And this doesn't raise any questions, does it? That is, this is absolutely fair in relation to Stalin. It was clear then, and it is clear now.
    Now imagine that now, in the event of war, the soldiers will shout: for Putin! Then we must immediately add: for Putin! For Gazprom! For the oligarchs in power! For corruption! For a trophy economy! ... And so on. Now I myself wanted to fight against Putin...
    In short, with such a classic example, it immediately becomes clear who is who. It becomes clear how “bad” Stalin is and how “good” Vova Krasno Solnyshko is.

    PS But there will be no war. I hope there is no need to explain why. But if anyone doesn’t understand, the answer is a little higher.
    PSS A president who is surrounded by a fifth column, traitors and criminals, and who considers their actions correct, automatically becomes a fifth column himself.
    1. +1
      April 3 2015 23: 07
      Quote: Governor
      During the war, soldiers shouted: for the Motherland, for Stalin! And this doesn't raise any questions, does it? That is, this is absolutely fair in relation to Stalin. It was clear then, and it is clear now.
      Now imagine that now, in the event of war, the soldiers will shout: for Putin! Then we must immediately add: for Putin! For Gazprom! For the oligarchs in power! For corruption! For a trophy economy! ... And so on. Now I myself wanted to fight against Putin...
      In short, with such a classic example, it immediately becomes clear who is who. It becomes clear how “bad” Stalin is and how “good” Vova Krasno Solnyshko is.

      PS But there will be no war. I hope there is no need to explain why. But if anyone doesn’t understand, the answer is a little higher.
      PSS A president who is surrounded by a fifth column, traitors and criminals, and who considers their actions correct, automatically becomes a fifth column himself.

      My father did not shout: for Stalin, raising his company to attack under the dagger fire of German MGs - he shouted for the Motherland.
  58. Rif
    -1
    April 3 2015 21: 02
    More about the fifth column "http://vk.com/video-31263723_170158404?list=9e871503151d710502"
  59. arshinov.ai
    -1
    April 3 2015 21: 27
    We must now immediately register the entire fifth column for its further liquidation in the event of aggravation of the situation in the country, so as not to bite our elbows later
    1. 0
      April 3 2015 22: 09
      Quote: arshinov.ai
      We must now immediately register the entire fifth column for its further liquidation in the event of aggravation of the situation in the country, so as not to bite our elbows later

      Let's start with you laughing
      1. 0
        April 3 2015 22: 32
        RUSS (
        But you fall under the definition of the Fifth Column - YOU.
        1. -1
          April 4 2015 00: 24
          Quote: vladkavkaz
          RUSS (
          But you fall under the definition of the Fifth Column - YOU.


          You don’t know me and on what basis can you define me as a fifth column?
          1. 0
            April 4 2015 11: 12
            RUSS
            Based on your comments, which exactly repeat the pro-Western point of view.
  60. -1
    April 3 2015 21: 38
    This is what we need to do now, and not chew snot!
    1. -2
      April 3 2015 22: 10
      Quote: 06021959
      This is what we need to do now, and not chew snot!


      Go ahead, what's the problem?
      1. 0
        April 3 2015 22: 31
        Are you asking so zealously, are you trying to volunteer? )
        1. 0
          April 4 2015 00: 25
          Quote: Albanian
          Are you asking so zealously, are you trying to volunteer? )


          If you want me, then specifically which volunteers?
  61. +1
    April 3 2015 21: 43
    At the time of my childhood, there lived in our village a rehabilitated Vovka the German, a strong old man, always with a brilliantly shaved head and always lean, in those years he was either a division commander or a brigade commander, and once, on the occasion of some holiday, drinking with the men in gazebo, he received a question. Why aren’t you offended? It’s not your fault, is it? To which he replied, we were all to blame, some did it, while others were silent and tried not to notice.
  62. +1
    April 3 2015 22: 33
    Quote: RAA
    Stalin is our misfortune and for a long time we will dissolve that bloody mess that he made.


    The misfortune of the Jewish Freemasons, the enemies of the Russian World.
  63. +2
    April 3 2015 22: 44
    Isn’t it clear that the gentlemen from the fifth column, who unanimously criticize both Stalin and the Soviet system, really want to join geyropa and gamerika!!! People like them can even have a stake on their head! This can also be seen in the Ukrainian galloping herd, because you can’t reach them with your mind! Therefore, there is a saying: There is no need to throw pearls before swine!
  64. 0
    April 3 2015 23: 09
    Terror began not in the 37th.., but in the 17th.. Those who like the destruction of their own people can continue to glorify the system that has flooded the Country with blood.. But it’s not a fact that if you were / praisers / at that time.., they themselves did not would have been caught in a batch of repressions... Someone else's pain did not reach them... until... Do slaves dream of a master?..
    1. +2
      April 4 2015 00: 08
      Quote: Vladimir-R
      Terror began not in the 37th.., but in the 17th.. Those who like the destruction of their own people can continue to glorify the system that has flooded the Country with blood.. But it’s not a fact that if you were / praisers / at that time.., they themselves did not would have been caught in a batch of repressions... Someone else's pain did not reach them... until... Do slaves dream of a master?..

      I remember my school years: there were only a few lines about Stalin in the textbook, and the film “liberation.” I remember once in the late 80s, young Chechen drivers began to sculpt portraits of Stalin on their windows, expressing some pride in this, like Caucasians, but in one beautiful day, they threw away these portraits, having learned that it was Stalin who sent them to the Kazakh steppes, and not some mythical Russian Ivan. Only medieval tyrants can hate and destroy their people.
    2. 0
      April 4 2015 11: 28
      Vladimir-R
      Reading your comments, there are 42 in total... I come to the conclusion that the mess in your head is incredible...
      What are you basing it on when you wrote this comment of yours, which exactly repeats the delusional delights of the Svanidz and Radzinskys, the brewers and the teeth?
  65. -3
    April 4 2015 10: 48
    IMHO The whole point is the lack of so-called “historical memory”. For example, the Chinese live quietly without this very memory, while claiming N1 status, and nothing, everything is fine... Normal on their part... but on the part of, say, the Ukrainians, this will be nonsense. I means the starvation 1956-1961. That is, the largest man-made famine in history, which claimed about 30 million people. The Chinese don't talk about this. No, of course they took measures to prevent this from happening again - they expanded the composition of the Politburo, as Stalin did at the end of his career, but still.....Ukraine lost about 10-12 million as a result of the famine (1924-25,32 -34,45-46). They remember this.
    The fact is that “historical memory” is one of the components of culture. Russia offers its own vision of culture. Tell me, when you talk about Stalin only as a good manager, does this somehow improve the perception of Russia and its cultural model? I don't think so. For example, for me the best works about Stalin are http://www.simonsebagmontefiore.com/youngstalin.aspx and http://www.simonsebagmontefiore.com/stalincourtredtsar.aspx. IMHO, the decision-making mechanism is described very well... So that’s what I’m talking about, there is a moment in the book, in the afterword, when the families of the 5th Politburo are listed. Molotov has 2 apartments within the Garden Ring, Malinovsky was transferred to the Urals, Kaganovich was demoted... Vyshinsky, this is what the author notes, at one time he really liked his neighbor's dacha... he imprisoned him and shot the owner. Over time, it so happens that the descendants of the murdered person live next to the killer of their ancestor... and nothing. Strange, isn't it? People who destroyed 50 thousand a week (the execution lists were about 20-50 thousand for each member of the Politburo to sign) did not suffer any punishment. Only Beria’s team - Dekanozov, etc.. By the way, Beria, my opinion about him has changed. A tyrant, yes, (what is Lakoba’s death worth), but he was by far the best manager; neither Mikoyan nor Kaganovich can be compared. By the way, he was very critical about the prospects of the Soviet state and then gave the exact reason - “the absence of private property in Russia.” By the way, it has never existed in Russia. So that's what I'm talking about. On the attractiveness of a cultural model. Have YOU, who like this kind of articles, ever thought about this? In general, in its entire history, has Russia ever offered something similar? I advise you to think about it.
    PS. Those who think that culture is secondary can rest. This is tracked very well in military technology. For example, why in Oleg Kaptsov’s articles, regarding the impossibility of producing an analogue of Trident, within 30 years, or, okay, Tident...simple SteyrManliher, is it impossible to organize the production of similar barrels in mass quantities. Everything ultimately depends on culture... be it the culture of production (attitude towards work), attitude towards progress, towards human life (hello military doctrine), the rigidity of the moral code, the radius of trust, etc.. all the latter, there are cultural markers.
    In general, it’s strange to see such an attitude towards a person who took everything from your ancestors...life, property. This, for me personally, is very strange.
    1. +2
      April 4 2015 11: 23
      Willywonka
      Did you create this bullshit collection of myths and gossip yourself, or did someone suggest it?
      Is it China that does not have its own historical memory? Where did they tell you this? In America, which has its own gangster history of just over 200 years? Or in the empire of predators and intriguers, England?
      “Ukraine lost about 10-12 million as a result of the famine (1924-25,32-34,45-46). They remember this.” - this nonsense was pulled from what “textbook”, perhaps from the Svidomo garbage dump, where the Ukrainians are overlords dinosaurs, and they dug up the Black Sea too?
      Listing names and gossip saying they needed an apartment - what swamp was it pulled out of? Hence Robert Conquest? And who considers him a historian?

      “the impossibility of producing an analogue of Trident, within 30 years, or, okay, Tident...simple SteyrManliher,” - Lord, what nonsense... well, you can immediately see a person who has no idea at all about weapons systems, or about the INABILITY of Americans, to at least oppose something to the same SATAN... not to mention the newer missiles.

      I didn’t forget to remember YOUR OWN ancestors, bloody murderers, slave owners and murderers of entire Indian peoples in both South and North America? Indians in India? The Chinese during the Opium Wars? The Vietnamese?
      Koreans?

      YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND and WILL NOT understand - “In general, it’s strange to see such an attitude towards a person who took everything from your ancestors... life, property. This, for me personally, is very strange.” - but you will always be horrified because that in RUSSIA, despite your attempts, more and more people are coming to understand the greatness of STALIN as the best of the country's leaders.
  66. -2
    April 4 2015 11: 47
    Dear, moderate your ardor, in general, you are also a good example of culture - I mean the culture of communication. Regarding Stalin, I am interested in the opinion of visitors to this site regarding the books included in the school literature program - Shalamov's "Kolyma Stories", for example, or Andrei Platonov - "Chavengur". I understand, of course, that at school this is an abbreviated version, but still.... By the way, in the book “200 Years Together” Solzhenitsyn directly points out the inability of the Russians to act together under the conditions of the camp system. He directly points out that under the conditions of the camp system everyone united - Azerbaijanis, Armenians, Jews... for some reason only the Russians had an obsession with destroying each other. It is useless to talk about the presence of historical memory, especially after 1996, when everything was said about Stalin... and the communists won “practically” after that. That is, 9 years of explanations for chewing led to nothing. Regarding China, dear, what can I tell you... read, learn the language, in general, run to school, then come... data from here -http://www.amazon.com/Tombstone-Great-Chinese-Famine-1958- 1962/dp/0374533997 One of the books of the year according to the Economist magazine in 2012, if I’m not mistaken. But for some reason I am sure that the Economist magazine is not an authority for you.
    Satan is of course a good rocket, but looking at http://russianforces.org/missiles/ my optimism disappears somewhere.
    PS And yes...I think Russia is a great country. True, it requires very strong changes, primarily in cultural institutions... but this is a topic for another conversation
    Regarding Ukraine, there are now a lot of good...strong works on the topic I voiced above.
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      April 4 2015 12: 22
      Willywonka
      Solzhenitsyn???"genius" of the first spit - in authority?
      Shalamov? And tears about 90% of crime and all sorts of Vlasov-Kranovites and other dirt?
      I absolutely don’t give a damn about your “delights” about the Russians, because YOU and others like you always received punches from us when they tried to invade Russia, no matter in what form it was.
      We will get over it now, with your liberal infection introduced into our body, throwing all these Solzhenitsyns and other Lungins into the landfill.
      There will be changes in Russia, but you, the arrogant Saxons, will not be happy with them.
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    April 4 2015 11: 50
    O, sure! fifth column... what about the millions of frightened people, hundreds of thousands who perished in camps,...the destroyed church...the persecuted relatives of those convicted under political charges. The new religion is communism. And the New God - Stalin! forgot about everything? Stalin - well done! Stalin is our leader.. Slaves always need a master! Come on, slaves, resurrect your Master... forward to a bright future.
    Trotsky, Zinoviev and others are not the fifth column at all. They are of the same “blood” with Stalin, spiders from the same jar. opposition within the party. Some spiders just ate others.
    By the way, the term “fifth column” seems to come from England during the Second World War. So there the “fifth column” was defeated without repression or intimidation of the rest of the population. Russia, even without mass repressions of its population, smashed both the Germans and the French and God knows who else before...
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      April 4 2015 12: 25
      bumbarash
      “Millions of frightened people, hundreds of thousands who perished in camps, ..a destroyed church..hunted relatives of those convicted under political charges.” - are there any grounds for this nonsense? THERE ARE NO. There are gossip, there are myths, there are NO grounds, facts, arguments.
      The term Fifth Column, unknown, actually comes from Spain.
      And regarding all the people imprisoned in ENGLAND and AMERICA without discrimination, who have at least 1/8 part of German or Japanese blood in their blood, seems impossible for you?
      Or is the activity of the English royal family in indulging NAZISM generally a dark forest for you? Like the Shans of the USA with the leadership of the REICH?
  68. -1
    April 4 2015 12: 26
    Regarding Trotsky, Stalin - only these two were real men of action in 1917. Only they...by the way, worked in the same office for some period. Yes, there is an opinion that Lenin in his political testament, say, speaks of an erroneous decision regarding Stalin and his confirmation as Secretary General of the Central Committee. The fact is that there were no other candidates.... The fact is that Stalin was in charge of office work, that is, the direct responsibility of the Secretary General (work in Pravda came in handy), and, at first, an unattractive position, turned a little later into a dominant one. Issues of appointments, personnel placement, creation of nomenclature - the legs grow from there. Trotsky was disgusted by this work. In general, Stalin had no competitors. Yes...he was also the most well-read of all the general secretaries, absolutely of all! 20000 reads! with personal notes (Lenin awww) this is certainly impressive. But...still, everything said above does not change in any way.
  69. -1
    April 4 2015 12: 42
    Dear, for some reason I thought that your work week ends on Friday. Anyway.
    Quote: vladkavkaz
    Are there any grounds for this nonsense? THERE ARE NO. There are gossip, there are myths, there are NO REASONS, facts, arguments.

    "intrigues, investigations"....You should go to the kitchen, make some tea with lemon balm, it calms you down, drink something sedative...novopassit at worst. Quieter, quieter, softer, calmer...by the way, moderation is also a sign of culture.
    Regarding the evidence, I don’t even know what to tell you, my young, good friend. Here is my great-grandfather from the Kherson region, in order to support his family, after the arrival of the food detachment, he was forced to pick up what was left by the horses in order to make a decoction from the parts of the hay that were in it. This is the Kherson region, where, unlike Kharkov, famine did not rage. So, my dear, I know about this and I remember.
    PS. I recommend asking yourself why communism took so little in communist Europe, unlike Russia, or, let’s say, why it took so much in China, and in Kampuchea it was generally from 30 to 45% during the time of Pol Pot. That's all she is - Culture, damn it.
    No frills about the Russians...we are discussing the reaction of the people, presented by the most prominent Russian writer, to pressure.
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      April 4 2015 17: 40
      Willywonka
      I recommend that you do not lie, and also do not use opuses from the information dump for something worthy of study as arguments.
      In exactly the same way, tell tales about the “Holodomor” in Ruin, they believe all sorts of nonsense there.
  70. -2
    April 4 2015 13: 14
    I apologize, I forgot to indicate the source for Ukraine. The best, IMHO, work of recent times is http://www.amazon.com/Bloodlands-Europe-Between-Hitler-Stalin/dp/0465031471 strong work.
    "about the apartment" from here http://www.simonsebagmontefiore.com/stalincourtredtsar.aspx see the afterword. Montefiore, a famous surname...I don’t know about you. Actually, I don’t understand what surprised you about this moment?
  71. -1
    April 4 2015 20: 41
    Where do you get these? Are you one of these “Olginskys”? Dear, just a little bit - “garbage dump”, “lies”, etc. As far as I understand, you aren't speaking in Enlish fluently. it's your problem. If you wish, you can look at the sources from the same Montefiore. You can look at the reviews on Amazon
    The Economist, Books of the Year is about "Bloodlands"
    The Fanacial times “[A] superb and harrowing history…. Snyder presents material that is undeniably fresh – what's more, it comes from sources in languages ​​with which very few western academics are familiar. The success of Bloodlands really lies in its effective presentation of cold, hard scholarship, which is in abundance.”

    But doubts oppress me, as I said above to FT and the Economist, this is not an authority for you. Am I right?
    In fact, I ask for comments.
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    April 6 2015 11: 55
    And here’s another catch-up, about the price at which Victory was achieved. Is this really not an authority for you?
    http://www.novayagazeta.ru/society/67787.html Это все, туда же. Почему за это все никто счет не предъявляет?
    ps. If you wish, you can read Dovzhenko’s memoirs. It's about the same thing.

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