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Karelian-Finnish SSR

Around the fountain of Friendship of Peoples in Moscow are sculptures symbolizing the Soviet Union republics. However, few people know that there are not fifteen of these sculptures (according to the number of republics widely known to us), but sixteen. A fountain with sculptural compositions was created in the first half of the 1950-s, when there really was one more republics. The sixteenth republic that existed from 1940 to 1956 was the Karelian-Finnish Soviet Socialist Republic - Karjalais-suomalainen sosialistinen neuvostotasavalta. Yes, there really was a time when Karelia (now an ordinary autonomous republic within the Russian Federation) had the status of a union republic, and the city of Petrozavodsk was equal in its status to Minsk, Tbilisi or Tashkent.

Karelian-Finnish SSR

Finnish language in the republic had official status, and the slogan inscribed on the coat of arms "Workers of all countries, unite!" in Finnish it sounds like "Kaikkien maiden proletaarit, liittykää yhteen". Before 1956, the slogan in Finnish was also present on the coat of arms of the Soviet Union. On the left you can see if you look closely.

However, this republic was rather indirectly related to Finland and was located mainly on the territory of modern Karelia. It originated in March 1940 of the year - right after the end of the Soviet-Finnish war. Let's try to deal with history the emergence of this national education. It will be necessary to tell a rather long prehistory, which is closely connected with the Soviet-Finnish war.

Soviet Finland first appeared in January 1918, when a socialist revolution broke out in Helsinki and, after it, a civil war that lasted until May 1918. During the Finnish civil war, the Finnish Socialist Workers' Republic was proclaimed (Suomen sosialistinen työväentasavalta), headed by the chairman of the Social Democratic Party of Finland Kullervo Manner. But as a result of the defeat of the Finnish Reds, this republic dissolved itself, and its government fled to the RSFSR. Manner himself, by the way, disappeared twenty years later in the Stalinist camps.

In Karelia, during the Civil War, the Karelian Labor Commune was established, transformed in 1923 into the Karelian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic as part of the RSFSR.

In the autumn of 1939, when World War II broke out, the security issue of Leningrad became more acute. The problem was that in the immediate vicinity — approximately 25 kilometers from the second largest Soviet city — the border with Finland passed, and in the event that any third major European power appeared in Finland (first of all, of course, Germany), the security of Leningrad would be under serious threat - direct shelling from the shore of the Gulf of Finland could have blocked the Soviet navy in Kronstadt, and shots of long-range guns located on the border could reach industrial areas of Leningrad. In order to prevent such a turn of events, the USSR government in October 1939 proposes Finland to exchange territories: Finland needs to give up half of the Karelian Isthmus and a number of islands in the Gulf of Finland, in exchange the Soviet Union undertakes to give Finland twice the territory in Karelia. The second requirement of the Soviet side was to lease the Hanko Peninsula for the construction of a naval base, in order to cover the entrance to the Gulf of Finland. The territorial requirements of the Soviet Union are shown on the map below. The light yellow color indicates the territory that the USSR demanded from Finland, the light pink color - which it pledged to give in return, the dark brown line marked the state border.

Finland rejects all proposals, negotiations come to a standstill, and, due to the obvious impossibility of a peaceful resolution of the situation, 30 November 1939 begins the Soviet-Finnish war, also known as the Winter War (Talvisota). On the second day of the war, the puppet state of the Finnish Democratic Republic (Suomen kansantasavalta) was proclaimed and the so-called “people's government of Finland” was formed, which met in the Finnish border village of Terioki (now Zelenogorsk, a suburb of St. Petersburg). Even before the start of the war, Moscow broke off diplomatic relations with Helsinki and now de jure recognized the "people's government" as the only legitimate government of Finland. With the Finnish Democratic Republic, led by the Finnish Communist and prominent leader of the Comintern, Otto Ville Kuusinen, the Treaty of Friendship and Mutual Assistance was concluded, according to which the required exchange of territories took place. However, on a much larger scale, the USSR officially “gave” Finland not 5 and a half, but 70 thousands of square kilometers of territory, as shown on the map below.

Here I must retreat. There is a common point of view, according to which the plans of the Soviet leadership allegedly included the complete capture and Sovietization of Finland with its transformation into the sixteenth republic. I cannot agree with this point of view - it was planned only to temporarily occupy the country’s territory and, having sent troops into Helsinki, to force the Finnish government to sign peace on the terms on which the treaty was signed with Kuusinen’s puppet government. This government itself was created as an instrument of political pressure on the official government of Finland, and the possibility of using force to plant it in Helsinki was intended only as a last resort, however, this would not mean the sovietization of Finland. At the very beginning of the war, the puppet government was also used as an element of Soviet propaganda, which reported that the Red Army was going to Finland to liberate the working people of the Finnish people from the "bourgeois oppressors", but when it became clear that this very people had resisted the Red Army, - propaganda faded into the background. On the whole, I cannot for certain deny that in Stalin's thoughts there might have been intentions to Sovietize Finland, but this was not an end in itself.

Слева: Otto Ville Kuusinen. Photo 1920 of the year. On right: Signing of the Treaty of Friendship and Mutual Assistance between the USSR and the Finnish Democratic Republic. 1 December 1939 of the year

Under the terms of the treaty, the USSR recognized half of Karelia in Finnish territory, and in Moscow, maps had already been issued, where half of the Karelian isthmus is marked by Soviet territory, and the western half of Karelia is Finnish. On the new border it was already planned to begin the construction of border fortifications. The agreement on the exchange of territories was enshrined in a rather eloquent wording:

“... recognizing that the time has come for the fulfillment of the age-old aspirations of the Finnish people to reunite the Karelian people with their kindred Finnish people in a single Finnish state ...”

That, in general, is true. During the years of the Russian Civil War, Finland attempted to conquer Karelia.

However, the Red Army had extremely low combat readiness and was unable to conduct combat operations in the Karelian taiga. It fights with great difficulty against the much weaker and smaller Finnish army and suffers four times the heavy losses. Already in the first days of the war, it was clear that a quick march to Helsinki would not work, and the war was becoming protracted. Two weeks after the start of the war, the Red Army stopped on the Karelian Isthmus, unable to storm the Mannerheim Line - a strip of defensive structures stretched from the Gulf of Finland to Lake Ladoga; north of Ladoga, near the village of Kollaa, near the town of Suojärvi, the Finns stubbornly keep the defenses in the trenches, and in North Karelia the offensive completely fails - the Soviet divisions are surrounded. Mannerheim managed to break through the line only in February of the 1940 year - after lengthy preparation and transportation of reinforcements. In early March, the Red Army reached Vyborg, and the official Finnish government agreed to sign peace before the Red Army entered Helsinki. However, the conditions of the world were much more difficult for Finland, - the USSR demanded not half of the Karelian Isthmus, but all of South-West Karelia, including Vyborg, Kexholm (now Priozersk), Sortavala and Suojärvi, as well as the eastern part of the Salla polar volost with Kuolajärvi and Alakurtti, besides without compensation. It is difficult to say exactly why the requirements have expanded. Perhaps it was a certain act of reckoning for the huge losses of the Red Army, suffered during the war. Under the terms of the world, the Soviet Union also received a military base on the Hanko Peninsula. The world that ended the Soviet-Finnish war was signed in Moscow on March 12, 1940. The puppet government was then dissolved.

We now turn directly to the subject of the article. As previously reported, at the beginning of the war, Soviet propaganda reported on the "liberation of Finnish working people", and by agreement with the puppet Finnish Democratic Republic, the USSR de jure gave it half of Karelia. Accordingly, as the final part of this propaganda, it was decided to establish a separate union republic - the Karelian-Finnish SSR, which, in addition to Karelia itself, also included territories conquered from Finland.

Republic received the following outlines:

Thus, no matter how absurd it may sound, one could argue that a part of the Finnish people were still liberated, despite the fact that almost all Finnish residents of the conquered lands left their homes and moved to Finland. Actually, the republic itself could be conditionally divided into Karelia and Soviet Finland. “Soviet Finland” can be conditionally considered the territory to the west of the border established by the agreement with the puppet government (although this agreement was canceled), as well as the land actually seized from Finland. This division can be represented as follows (shown by the green line).

By the way, pay attention to where the border of the Karelian-Finnish and Russian Union republics lies on the Karelian Isthmus. And it passes to the north than the old border with Finland, because half of the Karelian Isthmus, which the Soviet side demanded before the war at the negotiations, was officially “received” by the Soviet Union, again, under an agreement with the puppet government. Therefore, in this place the border of the RSFSR with the Karelian-Finnish SSR coincides with the border that the USSR demanded from Finland at the talks.

The decision to establish the Karelian-Finnish SSR was taken at the 6 session of the USSR Supreme Council 31 in March 1940. And it was again headed by Otto Kuusinen. Proponents of the version that Stalin sought to sovietize Finland, as a rule, tend to believe that the Karelian-Finnish SSR was created as a foundation for the future accession of Finland to the USSR. But, in my opinion, it would be more logical to assume that Stalin decided to keep Finland in tight rein (although Nikolai Ivanovich proper, thanks to whom this expression appeared, was already shot) as an unreliable neighbor, and for this purpose kept the same method political pressure on this state, as during the Soviet-Finnish war, only then was the puppet government of the Finnish Democratic Republic, and now the Karelian-Finnish union republic. Well, in order to have a more severe influence on Finland, the USSR in 1944 demanded a military base on the Porkkala peninsula 20 kilometers from Helsinki, thus keeping the Finnish capital at gunpoint. Well, the second goal of the creation of the Karelian-Finnish Republic could be, as I have already mentioned, propaganda.

Flag and coat of arms of the Karelian-Finnish SSR

It should be noted that by that moment Karelia was rather backward by the standards of the Soviet Union in a region where there were no large-scale productions. The Finno-Ugric peoples - Karelians, Finns and Vepsians, formally considered the titular nation of the republic, were in fact a national minority, making up about 30 percent of the population. The remaining 70 percent were predominantly Slavs - Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, including those delivered by trains to the lands seized from Finland in order to settle the depopulated region. And the Finns who inhabited the republic were not indigenous: they were either Finnish revolutionaries who fled from Finland after the defeat of the Reds in the Finnish civil war, or Ingermanland Finns who were expelled by the Soviet authorities from the Leningrad region, including after returning from deportation. And after the abolition of the republic there was a joke: "The Karelian-Finnish republic was abolished, because they found only two Finns in it - the financial inspector and Finkelstein." Of course, there were no objective reasons for giving Karelia the status of a union republic, and the Karelian-Finnish SSR was essentially an ephemeral decoration.

The Karelian-Finnish SSR became a theater of large-scale military operations during the Great Patriotic War. In the summer and autumn of 1941, most of the republic was occupied by Allied Germans by Finnish troops (despite the common misconception, the Finns crossed the old border, and how), in the northern part of the republic there were German units based in Northern Finland. The government of the republic was located in Belomorsk during the war, and the headquarters of the Karelian Front were located there. Life in the territory occupied by the Finns was generally less difficult than in the German occupation. However, the Slavic population as “non-national” was significantly affected by rights compared to the Finno-Ugric, was placed in concentration camps and in the long term had to be sent to the zone of German occupation.

Children - prisoners of the Finnish concentration camp in Petrozavodsk.
The picture was presented as evidence at the Nuremberg trials.

In the summer of 1944, as a result of the Vyborg-Petrozavodsk offensive operation, the Karelian-Finnish SSR was completely liberated, and on September 19, the USSR 1944 signed a separate peace treaty with Finland, according to the terms of which Finland declared war on Germany, turning weapon against yesterday’s ally, and starting hostilities against the German units stationed in the northern part of Finland. These events are called "Lapland War" (Lapin sota).

In 1944, the territory of the RSFSR was slightly increased at the expense of the neighboring Union republics, including the Karelo-Finnish. So from the Latvian SSR, the Pytalovsky district, which became part of the Pskov region, was transferred to the RSFSR; from Estonia - Ivangorod and the right bank of the Narova, as well as the Pechora region, which are included in the composition of the Leningrad and Pskov regions, respectively from the Karelian-Finnish SSR, the Vyborg and Kexholm districts (the northern part of the Karelian Isthmus) were transferred to the RSFSR, which became part of the Leningrad Region. In 1948, on the Karelian Isthmus (that is, already on the territory of the Leningrad Region), a wave of mass renaming of settlements was carried out (this will soon be a separate post), not affecting the Karelian-Finnish part of the lands seized from Finland. In 1953 and 1955, respectively, from the Karelian-Finnish SSR, the Alakurtti and Kuolajärvi villages, which became part of the Murmansk region, were transferred to the RSFSR. Then Karelia received its current shape. The map below shows in pink the territories separated from the Karelian-Finnish SSR in favor of the RSFSR in the post-war period.

After the death of Stalin and the coming to power of Nikita Khrushchev, the warming of Soviet-Finnish relations began. In 1956, the President of Finland becomes closely acquainted with Khrushchev Urho Kekkonen, and Khrushchev decides to release Finland from the “yoke”, the Soviet troops were withdrawn from the Porkkala base, and in the same year the Karelian-Finnish SSR was abolished, degraded again to the Karelian ASSR and included in the RSFSR.

Finally, pay attention to the flag of the modern Republic of Karelia (below) and compare it with the flag of the Karelian-Finnish SSR above. So, not only in Belarus, Soviet symbolism has been preserved.

You can for a moment submit a script from the category "If". Namely, if Khrushchev had not abolished the Karelian-Finnish SSR. In this case, she would surely, like the rest of the republics, be separated in 1991. In this case, Murmansk would now occupy the same position as Kaliningrad. So, we love to celebrate Khrushchev's dashing, for giving Crimea to Ukraine, but on the other hand, he still returned Karelia to Russia.
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  1. 3axap
    3axap April 4 2015 06: 46 New
    If only, if only .... But actually, God forbid, it’s scary to imagine such a thing. And the author does not intentionally throw a pebble in the garden of "separatism"? Something painfully familiar in such articles begins to slip. hi And I put the question a little differently. With the collapse of the USSR, the republics did not capture a little more than necessary? And then I remember in the Rostov region that Krasnodon is not at all "kraina" hi .
    1. avt
      avt April 4 2015 10: 21 New
      Quote: 3axap
      about. And the author does not intentionally throw a pebble in the garden of "separatism"? Something painfully familiar in such articles begins to slip.

      And the Finns do not hide particularly territorial claims, and much more than the ex Karelian-Finnish SSR. Just remember how the topic of the Finno-Ugric peoples spun up and with what degree after 1991, but calmed down a bit, especially since the Hungarians suddenly recognized themselves as Turks and even chose Nazarbayev as the main one for the great Turan. laughing But the money didn’t break off, and so they decided to get into the GDP. Norwegian government structures, slowly, for now, but unleashed the Pomors, suddenly such a people showed up, though they didn’t determine from whom they had come from, but there’s quite a stuffing. of course panoramic, but really thin negative It would not be a sin for the author to recall that the Finnish state itself was actually built by the Russian tsars, starting with the creation of the Principality of Finland on lands conquered from the Swedes by Alexander No. 1, in which the Finns themselves, according to their own statements, realized themselves as a people, with the subsequent creation there others completely autonomous national structures, which, incidentally, the Finns remember and monuments to the tsars, like Ukraine Lenin, do not demolish, ending with the independence granted by Lenin. So the runs about the fact that they supposedly took something by force are not rolled. Russia has created, the successor of the Empire - the CCCP has charted it to the condition it needs, as in Georgia just before 08.08.08. There is still not enough information on Kuusinen and his student, Andropov. That would be interesting.
      1. not main
        not main April 4 2015 19: 50 New
        Quote: avt
        Norwegian government structures, slowly so far, but untwisting pomors, suddenly such a people showed up

        I agree with the comment, but about the Pomors? Pomors are not a nationality. These are people living on the shores of the White Sea both in Karelia and in the Arkhangelsk region. They themselves define themselves as Russians! It’s the same as looking for new peoples in Vologda, Kostroma and so on.
      2. Guard
        Guard April 5 2015 08: 59 New
        Quote: avt
        all the more so since the Hungarians suddenly realized themselves as Turks and even Nazarbayev was elected chiefly for the great Turan. laughing But the money didn’t break off and so they decided to get into the GDP

        Hungarians have always considered themselves descendants of the Turkic-speaking Huns, recognizing a significant Finno-Ugric component of their history.
        "Turan" is not an empty phrase for them. Remember what year they called their tank. Then Nazarbayev and Kaz.neftedollarmi did not smell.
        In addition, relations between Kazakhstan and Hungary are very, very warm. Both culturally and economically. We have drawn a large circle of economic projects with them, we just have to do everything wisely, without storming. They have a lot to learn. We have the resources. Both sides understand where and in what we are useful for each other.
        And the words about the brotherhood (which are not disputed by either Kazakhs or Hungarians) are just a wonderful general background of our modern relations.
        1. alebor
          alebor April 6 2015 11: 25 New
          In general, the linguists Hungarian language belong to the Ugric group of the Finno-Ugric languages. The two most Ugric languages ​​are considered to be the most related in linguistic relation to Hungarian: Khanty and Mansi. And the Finnish group of languages ​​is also related to him, although somewhat more distantly.
  2. Boris55
    Boris55 April 4 2015 08: 47 New
    Quote: nord ursus
    ... if Khrushchev did not abolish the Karelian-Finnish SSR. In this case, it would surely, like all other republics, be separated in the 1991 year ...

    The division of the peoples of Russia on a national basis is the idea of ​​the Anglo-Saxons, which Lenin embodied in life. My question is: Who in the 90 year divided Russia already 22 republics? The Anglo-Saxons did not manage to arrange a maidan in Moscow, and now they, playing on nationalist feelings, decided to arrange small maidan "on the ground" and in the same way finish off Russia?
  3. clinch63
    clinch63 April 4 2015 11: 37 New
    Link for those who are not too lazy to read and, thinking with their heads, draw the right conclusions: Sergeev I.I. was born in 1927 in Karelia in the Vedlozersky district. From 16 years old drafted into the army. He started the war as a machine gunner, then served as a radio operator gunner on a diving bomber and as a war correspondent for the all-army newspaper "Stalin Falcon". After serving in the army, he was published in republican newspapers, in the magazines Soviet Warrior, Family and School, Friendship of Peoples, Youth, Soviet Trade Unions, Punalippu, Sever, etc. The Conspiracy of Generals - the first book of the author.
  4. semirek
    semirek April 4 2015 12: 17 New
    Normal article --- I recalled the words from the song 40goda:
    .... "take us Suomi beauty, a necklace of transparent lakes" ...
  5. Viktor Kudinov
    Viktor Kudinov April 4 2015 13: 18 New
    But in a good way - a favorable option was offered for Finland. The fact that she did not go to him and eventually had to fight was a loss for the Soviet people and for the Finns. It is good that in the end, more or less normal relations were established, in which today there are no obvious claims to each other. hi
    1. bagel
      bagel April 5 2015 17: 45 New
      "profitable option"? Exchange the field for a swamp?
    2. Wanderer27
      Wanderer27 7 August 2015 21: 03 New
      How is it profitable? Bringing the border closer to Helsinki? Created the base of the Soviet fleet at its side near the capital of Finland? Did you give the USSR the warmest and most developed lands on the coast of the Gulf of Finland in exchange for cold and wild lands in the north? It is very beneficial for Finland to get hurt. It was especially beneficial for Finland to give the USSR to Vyborg, the second largest and most economically important city in Finland.
      You first think with your brains before propagating Soviet propaganda.
    3. Wanderer27
      Wanderer27 7 August 2015 21: 03 New
      How is it profitable? Bringing the border closer to Helsinki? Created the base of the Soviet fleet at its side near the capital of Finland? Did you give the USSR the warmest and most developed lands on the coast of the Gulf of Finland in exchange for cold and wild lands in the north? It is very beneficial for Finland to get hurt. It was especially beneficial for Finland to give the USSR to Vyborg, the second largest and most economically important city in Finland.
      You first think with your brains before propagating Soviet propaganda.
  6. Deniska999
    Deniska999 April 4 2015 13: 27 New
    After all. in my opinion, dividing a state on a national basis into republics is a stupid idea. The maximum is cultural autonomy.
  7. Guard
    Guard April 4 2015 18: 22 New
    A very useful and interesting article for me. I knew a lot before, but it was here that my modest knowledge of the history of this region was more or less streamlined.
    Briefly, intelligibly, reasoned.

    Thanks for the cards!
  8. 89067359490
    89067359490 April 4 2015 20: 06 New
    I don’t think that in 91 Karelia would leave.
  9. Bombardier
    Bombardier April 4 2015 20: 34 New
    Well, at that time there was another republic about which I did not even suspect, I advise everyone to read:

    The Tuvan People’s Republic became part of the Soviet Union during the war, August 17, 1944. In the summer of 1941, Tuva de jure was an independent state. In August 1921, the White Guard detachments of Kolchak and Ungern were expelled from there. The capital of the republic was the former Belotsarsk, renamed Kyzyl (Red City).
    It is customary to say that Britain was the first to support the USSR in the war, but this is not so. Tuva declared war on Germany and its allies on June 22, 1941, 11 hours before Churchill’s historic statement on the radio. In Tuva, mobilization immediately began, the republic announced its readiness to send its army to the front. 38 thousand Tuvan arats in a letter to Joseph Stalin stated: “We are together. This is our war. ”
  10. Grishka cat
    Grishka cat April 4 2015 22: 32 New
    An interesting article. Maps illustrate especially clearly! To the author +.
  11. Atash
    Atash April 5 2015 01: 56 New
    Quote: Deniska999
    After all. in my opinion, dividing a state on a national basis into republics is a stupid idea. The maximum is cultural autonomy.

    I read that Stalin initially had the same opinion. He was against the Union of Republics, and proposed to the RSFSR with autonomies.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver April 6 2015 01: 32 New
      Quote: Atash
      Stalin was initially of the same opinion. He was against the Union of Republics, and proposed to the RSFSR with autonomies.

      For which I had a dragging personally from Lenin. How right was Stalin! But by the time Stalin gained power, the USSR had become a fait accompli, and it was too late to change anything. Moreover, there were many Trotskyists who would certainly have yelled a Che-thread like "Stalin destroys the Leninist legacy."
  12. Atash
    Atash April 5 2015 02: 00 New
    Quote: non-primary
    They themselves define themselves as Russians! It’s the same as looking for new peoples in Vologda, Kostroma and so on.

    I read here on the site that the Vologda people did not call themselves Russian until the 50s, they said: "I am Vologda." Personnel officers of military registration and enlistment offices jokingly called the Vologda Territory the 16th republic.
  13. Atash
    Atash April 5 2015 02: 05 New
    Quote: avt
    the Hungarians suddenly realized themselves as Turks

    What suddenly? Attila is still their popular name. And my father back in the 80s. He said that the Hungarians are our relatives to the Kazakhs.
    1. Kalinov Bridge
      Kalinov Bridge April 5 2015 02: 27 New
      Quote: Atash
      ... Hungarians are Kazakh relatives to us.

      .... In 1770, astronomer and linguist Janos Šainović put forward the idea of ​​Finno-Hungarian linguistic kinship. This theory did not appeal to the public, so a whole century passed before serious linguistic research irrefutably confirmed that the Hungarian language belongs to the Finno-Ugric language group. It will seem surprising to most that the most closely related to Hungarian are the languages ​​of the Khanty and Mansi peoples belonging to the Ob-Ugric group. However, much becomes clear if we delve into the history of the Hungarian people.
      The ancestors of modern Hungarians were the Onogur tribes living in the Urals. Around the XNUMXst millennium BC. e. they left their homeland and, having traveled extensive spaces, settled in the territory of present-day Hungary at the end of the XNUMXth century.

      The Kazakh language is part of the Kypchak subgroup of Turkic languages ​​(Nogai, Karakalpak, Karachay-Balkar, Kumyk, Karaite, Crimean Tatar, Karagash, Tatar, Bashkir). Together with the Nogai, Karakalpak and Karagash languages, it belongs to the Kypchak-Nogai branchКазахский_язык

      Hungarians - Ugrians
      Kazakhs are Kipchaks.

      Neighbors are not always relatives.
      1. Guard
        Guard April 5 2015 08: 34 New
        Hungarian is Finno-Ugric. But a linguistic attribute is not an indicator in this case, especially since in the basic vocabulary of the Hungarian language there is a huge layer of ancient Turkisms (alma - apple, balta - ax, sakal - beard, anya - mother, anyam - my mother, kichi - small, etc. .d.).
        As I simplistically understand, the Ugric ancestors of the Finns who lived in central Eurasia fell into the whirlpool of the Turkic (Hun) waves of the Great Migration. They came under the strongest cultural influence of the Huns, mixed with them (in my family, Argyn, by the way, has a subgenus "Madiyar" (Kostanay region), which is genetically close to Hungarians by haplogroup), and became mentally indistinguishable from other Turkic-speaking steppes, starting from the kitchen religion (Tengrism) and ending with military psychology. After the Magyars "found a new homeland" in Pannonia, relatives - Polovtsy (self-designation - "Kipchak") who settled in large numbers among European Hungarians - came to them several times. And although all Hungarian Kipchaks are now Catholics and look completely European, they annually arrange symbolic horse crossings to Kazakhstan, showing their reverent attitude to our country.

        Hungarians of the 21st century, of course, differ in appearance from a resident of the Kazakh Turgay region, different cultures, religions, languages. But the Hungarians themselves consider themselves the most western Türks, and the Kazakh steppes as their homeland. Kazakhs with Hungarians very easily find a common language. Kazakhs and Hungarians have a very strong mutual sympathy, although it would seem how far geographically we are from each other. Ask any Kazakh about the Hungarians, and he without hesitation will say the first thing that comes to his mind - "Hungarians are our brothers." Simple Hungarians fervently root for Kazakh athletes at international events.
        The common Turkic kurultai (ethnic cultural fest) is held alternately in Kazakhstan and in Hungary.

        Hungarian Prime Minister Victor Orban:
        "We are considered in the European Union as a politically equal partner, but by origin we are still strangers there. When we go to Brussels, we don’t have relatives there, but we come here to you, to Kazakhstan - here we have relatives. This is a rather strange feeling when a person must go to the East in order to feel at home.".

        Z.Y. The funny thing is that some Hungarians (adequate scholars) believe that they more preserved the Turkic features in their culture than the Kazakhs))))

        On the video - Hungarian kurultai. Well, and to whom are they closer, despite their Ugric language - to the Kazakhs or Mordovians? )

        Z.Z.Y. Kazakh skullcaps differ from Uzbek, Tajik silts of the Tatar. But with the Hungarians, we have ABSOLUTELY identical skullcaps. And the Hungarians get angry when the Kazakhs tell them that they are Kazakh skullcaps, they say that they are Hungarian! laughing
        1. Guard
          Guard April 5 2015 08: 46 New
          And do not think, as some believe that the Hungarians simply decided to appease the Asian oil country. A sort of momentary curtsy towards Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and others.
          I remind that Hungarians named their first tank, which took part in World War II, "Turan" - in honor of the common ancestral home of all Türks. And then the Hungarians felt themselves descendants of the steppes from Asia.

          And the language difference is garbage. Kazakhs are warmer in Ugric-speaking Hungarians and Mongol-speaking Buryats than in Turkic-speaking Turks, for example. Not because the Turks are bad, no, by no means. You just really feel that the Mongols and Hungarians are much closer in culture and mentality.
          1. UNFAMILIAR
            UNFAMILIAR April 5 2015 10: 45 New
            Quote: Guard
            And the language difference is garbage. Kazakhs are warmer in Ugric-speaking Hungarians and Mongol-speaking Buryats than in Turkic-speaking Turks, for example. Not because the Turks are bad, no, by no means. You just really feel that the Mongols and Hungarians are much closer in culture and mentality.

            I don’t know, I was in Hungary, I didn’t notice the love of the Turks, I regret the Tatar-Mongols who cut out most of the country, their Magyar gene pool, pride in resisting the Turks, whom they consider to be indirect culprits of the loss of independence, the only thing I noticed is that the Hungarians are divided into two types and if you look closely at your record you can see: yields with dark brown hair, with chisel-shaped noses (for a man it’s good, for a woman not very) and small-bony, undersized with burning black hair and brown eyes, dark skin, but with normal european idyllic features (good for a woman, not very good for a man). I turned to the guide if the guest workers were the last from Romania, “what are you, this is just the real“ Magyar type ”, and the dark blond healthy ones are descendants of Slovaks.” As I understand it, the attitude to the "Magyar" type in society is like a woman (if compared with a woman) with a breast size of "3+", and to a "Slovak" one as a woman with a size of "1", that is, if it bears on you the river of life for a woman, of course it would be better if it was “3 + 2, but“ 1 ”does not change much, that is, a homeless person with a purely Magyar appearance will not give a hand, and to a Slovak businessman all doors are open. As for this video, I think this is a gathering of clubs of reenactors from different, on the one hand, Hungarian, on the other, Turkic countries dedicated to just a sad event the conquest of Hungary by the Mongols, I saw how the Hungarians trained at the Budapest hippodrome, went to Pusta (their steppe) on folk shepherds were quite like Hutsul, European hats and no skullcaps laughing
            PS In the north of Italy there are several Romanesque churches on the ceiling paintings which depict the same symbol as on the flag of your neighboring country, the Italians are brothers of the Kyrgyz?
        2. Kalinov Bridge
          Kalinov Bridge April 5 2015 09: 00 New
          Quote: Guard
          Hungarian - Finno-Ugric ......
          And the Hungarians get angry when the Kazakhs tell them that they are Kazakh skullcaps, they say that they are Hungarian!

          Interesting, informative what, a plus. good
      2. Atash
        Atash April 5 2015 18: 03 New
        Well, in any case, not "all of a sudden"
    UNFAMILIAR April 5 2015 02: 59 New
    Well, suppose the Ugric peoples are Hungarians, Khanty and Mansi, there are no others (unless of course they are not already divided into subgroups), and all the rest are Finnish (Finns are only two tribes Sum and Yom (Yom)) So Mannerheim, dreaming about “Great Finland” could not have imagined that the southern border would have been slightly south of Nizhny Novgorod (then Gorky). Here the author approached "with a mug to the waterfall", the topic is not a simple and very interesting topic of the Finnish peoples, and because looking at them we look at one of the options for our future, and because Finnish blood flows in the veins of Russians (scientists say that before 30% of Great Russians, Ukrainian propaganda claims that 100% of them are in trouble with the Turkic, by the way, the cool version is Latin America with Hispanic Indians (Russian-speaking Finns) and Russian princes - conquistadors, our Petersburg writer Stogov promoted it long before the Maidan, but unfortunately, it’s just a propaganda device for a Ukrainian intellect higher than Klitschko who is not enough to know that the ancient Ukrainians formed 45 thousand years ago. I talked with the Architectural Supervision Authority, which consisted of real archaeologists really digging in the northwest, after retelling the topic about the similarity of Latin America and Zalesye, I realized that I almost caused several people to die (convulsions, with possible respiratory arrest), catching their breath they explained to me that although there were more Finns (of all tribes) in the Middle Ages, but the Slavs on our land were and came earlier, and not as colonists of Russian princes (Vikings), most likely they lived separately with a “great resettlement of peoples”, they buried separately, have had its advanced economy, mixed with the Finns only in cities, so that if we pull our history into a new world, it will soon be the history of the United States, where even without the intervention of the authorities 2,5-4 million Indians were doomed to the flow of people from the old world , so that no matter how you like the brothers, we are Ukrainians. Estonia (no matter how mocking laws it enacts), Finland so far to a lesser extent, the titular nation, the republic of the Republic of Karelia and other Finnish republics are doomed to assimilation, and the Karelians in general are “between a rock and a hard place”, on the one hand, the Russian people are crushing (because cannot but press) and the fact that the Karelian man is just a funny episode of his family’s past, i.e. assimilation occurs, on the other, and in this they should be grateful to the creator of the Kalevala epic, and at the same time modern Finnish and Karelian (there are five of the Karelians, having chosen the most similar one, he had to pull it to Finnish) literary languages ​​in a total mass of different By the end, it turns out that the nationally oriented Karelian is able to write and speak Finnish (they returned the Latin alphabet in the 90s), but he’s all closer to the Finns. We can’t remove ourselves from them, but the second damaging factor could be removed, because in times Ivana Lll Olon The Yetsk monks transferred the Bible in Cyrillic to Karelian not like Finnish, it is clear that Russia at that time would seem wooden, but RAS and phil facsimile of universities, for example, you come to the Russian city of Petrozavodsk, a city that was Finnish once from 41 to 44th and the plates on the houses are in Finnish (it is clear that in Karelian, but see above) it is the same as in Rzhev to enter double names in Russian and in German. on
  15. kollege
    kollege April 5 2015 07: 23 New
    All is correct. 30 percent, and even more, in the veins of Russia flows Vepa, Karelian, Finnish and other Ugric peoples. The author of the article is apparently closer to the peoples of Latin America. Do not forget your story. Eat, Chud, All, Russia, Sum ...
  16. Atash
    Atash April 5 2015 18: 23 New
    Quote: Bagel
    "profitable option"? Exchange the field for a swamp?

    Mannerheim himself, being at that time the Beginning. If I am not mistaken, the Finnish General Staff was initially in favor of accepting Stalin's proposal, since it was completely logical, and this exchange was vital for the USSR. But these East European premieres were already those venal skins. Just as Poland refused to give Hitler the Danzig corridor at the direction of London and went under the millstone, so the Finnish prime minister, having killed thousands of his soldiers, eventually gave much more land.