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Russia again dictates fashion in tank building

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What we will see on the Victory Parade 9 May

On March 23, the network first appeared photos and videos of the latest Russian a tank T-14 "Armata", and created on the same base BMP "Kurganets-25." True, the cars were covered with a camouflage frame and tarpaulin, and not so much was discerned. In all its glory, new domestic tanks can only be seen during the Victory Parade on Red Square on May 9. While many people froze in anticipation of the official show of the new product, we will try to put together all the facts and expectations about this car, but first we will recall what the new tank has competitors in the world. Tanks of the 3rd generation will be considered in their latest modification. The division into generations is quite arbitrary, the 3rd generation includes tanks that appeared in the 1980s and later, they are characterized by the use of 120 and 125mm guns, the presence of an integrated fire control system, in some cases, reducing the crew to 3 people, failure from attempts to make rocket weapons the main, etc. Tank modifications that have appeared in recent years can already be attributed to the 3+ generation, since modern electronics have been installed on the machines, attempts are being made to create effective active protection systems, etc.

Russia again dictates fashion in tank building
Tank T-14 "Armata". Source: military-informant.com


T-90AM / CM

The most modern of the Russian "ready" tanks. Modification of T-90CM - export. The latest version of the T-90 has a mass 48 tons, the tank is equipped with a diesel engine in a forced-92S2F with power 1130 hp, 125-mm smoothbore pushkoy2A46M5 upgraded, with the possibility of starting the barrel antitank guided missiles (PTUR) "Reflex-M" at a distance of up to 5km. The most modern dynamic protection "Relic" is installed on the tank. For the first time on a Russian tank, the steering is carried out, and the gearbox is automatic. The fire control system has been significantly improved - the Kalina OMS gives the tank commander and gunner new opportunities. The last modification partially solved the main problem of the T-72 line of tanks (namely, its deep modernization is the T-90) - insufficient protection of crew members from detonating the ammunition during armor penetration (T-72 with a detonated ammunition is a terrifying sight - a torn out tower survive for the crew). ON T-90SM that part of the ammunition that is not in the automatic loader (AZ) is placed in a zabashirovanny armored niche, the booking of the AZ itself is strengthened. By the way, it is interesting that on “Western” tanks there is no automatic loader, and because of this the crew makes up 4 man, instead of 3 on Soviet and Russian tanks.


Tank T-14 "Armata". Source: Alexander Smirnov / YouTube


Leopard 2А7 +

The latest modification of the main battle tank of Germany, considered one of the best in the world. The mass of А6 modification is 62 tons, and the new, not yet in service, А7 + is up to 70 tons. The tank has a 12-cylinder diesel engine, horsepower 1500, 120mm L55 Rinmetall smooth-bore gun, with excellent characteristics (sighting range from the spot - 3,5km, with 2,5km running). The tank is equipped with modular armor, improved surveillance systems, including an increased number of external cameras. On the machine can be installed various modules of additional armor - against RPGs, or for additional strengthening of the front projection. The Leopard 2A7 + is equipped with a FLW-200 combat module with remote control, which is equipped with a 5,56, 7,62 or 12,7 millimeter machine gun, as well as an 40-mm automatic grenade launcher. Fire control system and onboard computer systems are also updated. Thus, the main focus of this performance of the Leopard 2 is placed on combat in a variety of conditions, including urban and in local conflicts.


BMP "Kurganets-25". Source: military-informant.com


M1A2 Abrams

The basis of the US battle tank. The latest serial modification is the M1A2 SEP V2. The mass of the tank in this modification is 63 tons, the machine uses a gas turbine powerplant AGT-1500 with the power of 1500 hp. The tank cannon is represented by the 120-mm M256 smoothbore cannon (a licensed version of the German Rheinmetall Rh-120 cannon), it has a modern fire control system and other electronics. With comparative tests showed superiority over the "Leopard 2" in night firing, but lost in daytime. The M829А3 shells used by the tank have the highest penetrability among analogues. Installation of special dynamic protection for TUSK urban combat is possible. Depleted uranium is used in the frontal armor, which simultaneously enhances the armor, but is harmful for the crew. Despite its high cost, the tank has enough flaws - a weak undercarriage, a vulnerable external auxiliary power unit, a large tank profile, and far from the best range of aimed shooting. The car, it would seem, ideally manifested itself in the Iraqi campaigns of the United States, but in conditions of relatively equal battle against the forces of ISIS, the Iraqi Armed Forces lost quite a few “Americans”.

Merkava Mk.4

The most modern modification of the Israeli main battle tank. It has a large mass - 70 tons, it is equipped with the American diesel engine GD883 of the American company “GeneralDynamics” (licensed production of the German diesel MTU883), power 1500l.s. The tank is equipped with a 120mm MG253 smoothbore gun (a variant of the German Rh-120 gun). From 2008, the Trophy active protection complex (KAZ) is installed on the tank. The radar 4 detects the enemy’s ammunition flying into the tank and is destroyed by an interceptor before meeting the tank’s armor. At the moment it is the only serial tank with KAZ. The tank showed itself very well in battle and provides a good level of security for the crew - even in cases of a tank defeat, the chance of survival is very great. The machine is most suitable for the Middle Eastern conditions, but no one knows how the 70-ton car in the forests and swamps will show itself. Nevertheless, the Merkava is considered one of the most successful tanks in the world.

Challenger 2

The main battle tank of the UK ground forces. The combat weight of the vehicle is 62,5 tons, the tank uses a diesel engine rated at 1200л.с. Unlike other modern MBTs, the Challenger uses a 120mm rifled gun. Armor tank - the main strength of the "British". The composite armor “Chobham” is used, which showed itself well during the Iraqi 2003 campaign - tanks easily transferred hits from RPGs, only one case of armor penetration was recorded. The situation is worse with firepower - the tank’s accuracy rate is one of the worst among its peers.

Type 99 (ZTZ-99)

Chinese MBT, which is based on development, in the first place, of the Soviet T-72 and T-80, as well as "Western" tanks. Nevertheless, the differences are very serious - a new welded turret was installed on the tank, a new multi-layered armor, the dynamic protection was reworked. The tool is used old and proven - a clone of the Soviet 125-mm gun (unlicensed copy of 2A46М). The mass of the tank, compared with the T-72B, has grown from 44,5 tons to 54 tons. At the moment, a diesel engine with power 1200 hp is used, there is information about the development of a more powerful powerplant in the 1500 hp. What is the level of the fire control system is difficult to assess, most of the information is classified. Of the interesting features - the Chinese say that they were able to install the JD-3 laser countermeasure system for the latest modification of the tank. The system detects the source of irradiation of a tank with a laser (for example, an ATGM), is automatically guided on it and blinds the optics and eyes aiming with a response laser beam. Similar systems are being developed in the USA and the Russian Federation, but so far they have not gone to the series. Find out what is actually the quality of the Chinese tank is still difficult.

The best tank 3-his generation

We briefly reviewed a few of the most famous and most popular 3 tanks of his generation. Note that they are not all listed - there are such excellent cars as the Ukrainian BM Oplot, the French Leclerc, the Japanese Type-90, the South Korean 2 Black Panther, etc. Nevertheless, it is already becoming clear that it is not possible to single out any one among them - all of them have their own shortcomings and advantages. A real comparison is possible only when they meet on the battlefield, which, fortunately, has not yet happened. And hopefully not happen. Nevertheless, it is also clear that the modernization potential of the used assemblies is rapidly approaching its end.
4 generation - what awaits us?

Let's try at least to outline what the criteria for a new generation tank should meet.

1. The tank turret is uninhabited, the crew is located in an isolated armored vehicle at the bottom of the vehicle. This will allow an increase in crew survival by an order of magnitude, as well as slightly lowering the profile of the tank, making it less noticeable on the battlefield.

2. The crew of the tank should be 2-3 person. In any case, the role of loader must be fulfilled by AZ, since the crew in the tower is no more. In the future, due to the development of electronic systems, it may be possible to abandon one more crew member. For example, the tank commander will be able to begin to perform also the functions of the gunner.

3. Wide use of KAZ and adaptability to urban combat. As we have already noted, the serial KAZ is used so far only on the Israeli Merkava. For a new generation tank, this should be a must-have device. Greater attention should be paid to booking the upper hemisphere of the tank and sides.

4. The mobility of the tank must be high - with an estimated mass of 55 tons, engine power must be at least 1500 hp

5. Further development of tank electronic systems and fire control systems. All 4-generation tanks must be equipped with a combat information and control system (BIUS), with the definition of "friend or foe", panoramic, multi-spectral sight, etc. All information from all sensors and cameras should be available to the commander in an interactive form on color displays.

6. The tank gun will most likely remain the same caliber - 120 / 125 mm, although earlier there were speculations about the use of more powerful guns of the 140 caliber, or 152mm. The firepower should increase due to an increase in the barrel life and rate of fire, accuracy and aiming range, which will depend on both the fire control system and the gun itself and the ammunition used.

T-14 "Armata" - the first tank 4-th generation

The modernization potential of the T-64 / T-72 / T-80 logically ends first - after all, this trio began to serve in the 1967 year (T-64)! The most common T-72 entered service at 1973. In fact, the USSR created its own tank 3-its generation more than 10 years earlier than others. It is logical that we will set the “mode” this time. According to the photos that have appeared on the network, it is already possible to draw several conclusions that give grounds for optimism:

1. The tank tower will indeed be uninhabited, since the tank has an open hatch located in front of the turret. Another evidence of this is the absence of an ejector on the gun barrel, which is responsible for the discharge of powder gases after the shot. It is no longer necessary to remove them, since the crew is in no way connected with the tower.

2. The new tank is definitely not a further upgrade of the T-72 line. In addition to the above, this is indicated by the presence of 7 track rollers on each side, whereas their 72 6.

3. Presumably, the tank will use a new diesel engine with power from 1200 to 1500 hp, which is configured in any of these modes, to adjust the resource.

4. Armata will most likely be equipped with the Afganit active protection complex, equipped with an active phased-array radar. The system will detect and destroy enemy ammunition flying at a distance of 20-30 meters from the tank. In addition, the radar will allow you to automatically monitor objects at a distance of 100km.

5. The tank's BIOS and the fire control system, apparently, will be a further development of those installed on T-90А — that is, fully meeting modern requirements.

6. The price, in comparison with the previous Russian tanks, is not small. Especially before the start of mass production. Nevertheless, representatives of Uralvagonzavod declare that they will be able to provide production at a cost that is half the price of modern Western tanks. Presumably we are talking about 5-6 million dollars per unit.

The rest we will probably find out only 9 in May and later, when the details of the project will be declassified. So in the 2015 year, perhaps the most interesting Victory Parade from 1991 is waiting for us.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 27 March 2015 03: 59
    +18
    I don’t know what level of training this author has, but
    created on the same base BMP "Kurganets-25"
    does not correspond to the truth. "Kurganets" is replacing the BMP-1,2,3 and has the ability to swim, but on the basis of "Armata" a heavy BMP with a front engine, spaced armor and a combat module is being created
    1. Portoss
      Portoss 27 March 2015 04: 11
      +5
      I agree . Really weak article, based only on rumors or all known information. The author’s only assumption is that ARMATA will have a 120 mm gun - complete nonsense! fool A comparison of the tank’s rollers in the photo with the T-72 is also complete nonsense. It really shows that the rollers and chassis from the proven T-80. Comparing ARMATA with Japanese TYPE 90, which is already 25 years old, is also nonsense. (The Japanese have a new TYPE 10 tank). Really cheap article. For those who are not in the subject, the article is a ride. And so - I don’t even want to mention a couple of dozens of frank blunders in it. To the author - MINUS.
      1. science fiction writer
        science fiction writer 27 March 2015 05: 25
        +3
        The article that in this area of ​​weapons our school sets the tone for world tank building, and if you carefully read it, T64, T72, T80 began to appear 10 years earlier than opponents. And the same is with "ARMATA".
        Quote: Portoss
        I agree . Really weak article, based only on rumors or all known information. The author’s only assumption is that ARMATA will have a 120 mm gun - complete nonsense! fool A comparison of the tank’s rollers in the photo with the T-72 is also complete nonsense. It really shows that the rollers and chassis from the proven T-80. Comparing ARMATA with Japanese TYPE 90, which is already 25 years old, is also nonsense. (The Japanese have a new TYPE 10 tank). Really cheap article. For those who are not in the subject, the article is a ride. And so - I don’t even want to mention a couple of dozens of frank blunders in it. To the author - MINUS.
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 27 March 2015 07: 03
        +4
        Quote: Portoss
        I don’t know what level of training this author has, but

        That's it! "Russia again dictates fashion in tank building" - how can you talk about this, even if the appearance is a secret, not to mention the performance characteristics! Tired of such idle talk.
        1. Alexey-74
          Alexey-74 27 March 2015 15: 42
          0
          I support how much speculation is possible, I think we need to wait a bit then all of this and we will rush together to discuss
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 27 March 2015 04: 14
      +4
      laughing
      Quote: svp67
      I don’t know what level of training this author
      browser level ... hi
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      2. SibRUS
        SibRUS 27 March 2015 04: 52
        +23
        browser level ...

        This always happens when something new appears.
        1. subbtin.725
          subbtin.725 27 March 2015 05: 03
          +1
          So in 2015, perhaps the most interesting Victory Parade from 1991 is waiting for us.

          They’ve completely intrigued. We’re waiting, we won’t wait.
    3. Vladimir.
      Vladimir. 27 March 2015 05: 04
      +2
      So I look at this BMP and think:
      "How the front engine makes me happy!"

      Look at the exhaust; it’s in the front, which means it’s a good idea to place the engine in front to increase the crew’s protection.

      I can also say that the "Armata" family differs from the tanks of the USSR in that its exhaust is located on the right side, and not on the left, like in Soviet technology.
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 27 March 2015 11: 23
        +1
        I can also say that the "Armata" family differs from the tanks of the USSR in that its exhaust is located on the right side, and not on the left, like in Soviet technology.


        Exhaust likely from both sides. Otherwise, the meaning disappears in the thermal protection screens. Rather, on the one hand, it will work, but on the other, no ..))
    4. Vladimir.
      Vladimir. 27 March 2015 05: 06
      +1
      A good BMP!
      Look at the location of the exhaust. It looks like the engine is in front, which means the crew has extra. protection, which is very good.
      The tower could not be hung with a tarp, this combat module was already seen by everyone and it can be easily recognized even under a tarp.
      1. glasha3032
        glasha3032 27 March 2015 20: 22
        -2
        How is the BMP good? Boards - 90 degrees from the horizontal, no screens, anti-cumulative containers what are they filled with inside? (with SUCH thickness and weight - with bricks (refractory or budget-silicate?) Is the rear exit for the landing not too small when compared with BMP? Or is this a typical fake (in aviation - MiG -1.44) to simulate frantic activity?
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    6. AlekseyB
      AlekseyB 27 March 2015 06: 21
      0
      I think the author meant by the base a unified running gear. if you look at the available photos, you can notice the similarity of the chassis and the Kurgan and Almaty.
    7. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 27 March 2015 10: 17
      +2
      I’ll only say on my own a small remark-parade this year will be GREAT !!!!!!
  2. mig31
    mig31 27 March 2015 03: 59
    0
    Already it happened from the Russian spirit to weapons - tanks are not an exception, but a pattern ....
  3. Igor39
    Igor39 27 March 2015 04: 10
    +5
    Here it is in full view. The picture is clickable.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 27 March 2015 04: 16
      +4
      Quote: Igor39
      Here he is in full face

      there was a leak ... I wonder if the "author" was already pressed for the video? what
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 27 March 2015 04: 17
        +2
        Yesterday, the video was from a heavy armored infantry fighting vehicle based on Armat.
    2. Login_Off
      Login_Off 27 March 2015 04: 49
      +4
      Lightened a little, so that at least a little can be seen on the photo
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      2. glasha3032
        glasha3032 27 March 2015 20: 31
        -3
        The upper armor plate is clearly inferior to the previous machines in the angle of inclination (the T-90 is simply a masterpiece compared to this one) and is clearly copied from the "Merkava". And if it has grown in size, the mountain has given birth to a mouse!
    3. man_of_war
      man_of_war 27 March 2015 07: 01
      +1
      Interestingly, and the second sheathed ledge on the tower, is it not KAZ "Arena" or something similar? Although there may be a machine gun turret ...
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 27 March 2015 07: 16
        +1
        They will be equipped with KAZ "Afganit".
    4. Grandfather Sadomazay
      Grandfather Sadomazay 27 March 2015 13: 58
      0
      Shtoto does not look like this tower is uninhabited
    5. svd-xnumx
      svd-xnumx 27 March 2015 18: 17
      +1
      The tank is already "getting dressed", otherwise everyone was "crying": - The sides are bare, - The barrel is thin, the gun is like on the T-34, - The rollers are small, they will not protect the side well. it is necessary. And in the boxes it looks like his "wardrobe" and delivered yes
  4. carter38
    carter38 27 March 2015 04: 26
    -7
    "Leopard" is not X !!!! "Merkava" is just an air conditioner with a cannon (at minus five it gets a stake) and where is "Black Eagle"?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 March 2015 08: 52
      +1
      The latest modification of Leopard 2 with further refinement may become a real competitor to Armate, in particular, there is a proposal to install a KAZ complex and a hundred and forty millimeter guns on Leopard.
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 27 March 2015 10: 40
        +1
        If yes, if only about Leopard 2.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 27 March 2015 13: 34
      +2
      Quote: carter38
      "Merkava" is just an air conditioner with a gun (at minus five it gets a stake)

      Oh how. Fair? Tell me where the woods are from? 8) Curious after all
  5. Vladimir.
    Vladimir. 27 March 2015 05: 01
    +8
    "" Leopard "is not bad !!!!" Merkava "is just an air conditioner with a cannon (at minus five it gets a stake) and where is" Black Eagle "?"

    Dear, how do you know that the "Merkava" at -5 gets stuck? The IDF has not fought in the snow yet ...
    And yet. In the desert at night the temperature can drop, in places, to -20. Therefore, there is no need to hang noodles here that they won’t start anything.

    "Black Eagle" did not even enter the series, the project was closed. So what for to compare it? And by what parameters? About it, except for appearance, nothing is known. Neither about the modules, nor about the possibilities, nor about the passability, nor about survivability " Black Eagle "is unknown.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 27 March 2015 13: 41
      +3
      Quote: Vladimir.
      Dear, how do you know that the "Merkava" at -5 gets stuck? The IDF has not fought in the snow yet ...
      And yet. In the desert at night the temperature can drop, in places, to -20. Therefore, there is no need to hang noodles here that they won’t start anything.

      It is worth adding that in Israel on a small territory there is an extremely difficult terrain, which at short distances dramatically changes both climatic conditions, vegetation, and altitude at sea level. The minus temperature and snow are quite common in Hermon and in the mountainous regions, of the 4 month in a year in a number of regions of the country - impassable mud (and in some places floods), well, etc.
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  7. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 27 March 2015 06: 02
    0
    The day of Victory and the parade in honor of the seventieth anniversary will come, we will see, evaluate, approve.
  8. fomkin
    fomkin 27 March 2015 07: 43
    -9
    I can’t imagine how you can set fashion under a tarp. By the way, the budget was cut back by 157,2bn for defense. rub. So we will continue to listen to fairy tales.
  9. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 27 March 2015 07: 57
    +4
    IE-EH - MAY 9 I WANT ASAP !!!
  10. snifer
    snifer 27 March 2015 08: 47
    -2
    the radar will work up to a hundred kilometers nonsense, the radar will hit a thousand kilometers is the minimum, and the maximum from Magadan can aim along the garden ring wink
  11. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 27 March 2015 09: 41
    -1
    T-34 is the best BOB MASS tank while the Germans riveted one panther we produced 3-5 t-34, and I wondered 5 million Amerov rubles, this is according to the current rate of 300 million rubles, so it was previously reported that T-90ms cost in the area 100 million of our rubles is obtained 3: 1, if there are specialists, then if possible develop doubts, otherwise you will be tormented by vague doubts, it is given to me that 3 T-90ms will be more effective than any T-14
    1. Born in the USSR
      Born in the USSR 27 March 2015 10: 01
      +2
      Now calculate the cost of training the crew.
      If you knock out 2 out of 3 T-90ms, how many frames will be irretrievably lost?
      You can’t measure everything with the standards of the Second World War and all the more you can’t measure everything with financial gain.
    2. Tankmaster
      Tankmaster 27 March 2015 10: 04
      +1
      not correct arithmetic ... 3 tanks, these are 9 crew members, but they can be shot at a distance without even seeing where the fire is coming from ...
      And it still depends on the level of training, both crews and technical means.
      It's too early to judge Armata, but it is very similar to the NOTA 477A project, the development of the late 80s, only there was a 152mm gun, and the tower was inhabited.
      The height of the hull has increased, compared with the T-80 and T-72.
      So time will tell.
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 27 March 2015 12: 17
        +1
        Quote: Tankomaster
        not correct arithmetic ... 3 tanks, these are 9 crew members, but they can be shot at a distance without even seeing where the fire is coming from ...
        And it still depends on the level of training, both crews and technical means.
        It's too early to judge Armata, but it is very similar to the NOTA 477A project, the development of the late 80s, only there was a 152mm gun, and the tower was inhabited.
        The height of the hull has increased, compared with the T-80 and T-72.
        So time will tell.

        Rather, creative recycling. 195 -
        1. Tankmaster
          Tankmaster 27 March 2015 12: 51
          +1
          I agree with this observation ... but unfortunately, as I see it, they donated ... and so the breakthrough is not very impressive either, let's see how much the MH BC is and what protection it is.
          Although we must pay tribute to the builders, this is a leap forward, it is useless to argue here.
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          2. glasha3032
            glasha3032 27 March 2015 20: 37
            -2
            What’s the jerk? Even you noticed a bust with weight and dimensions - and this is not the advanced design. Sucks it ...
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            2. glasha3032
              glasha3032 28 March 2015 00: 26
              -2
              And still funny small-caliber "anti-aircraft"? "Antipersonnel"? Machine gun! Against whom or what? Already infantry in "armored vehicles" and helicopters with armored panels - and the machine gun - 7,62 mm? Or did you want to amaze the BASIS with the amount of cartridges carried?
  12. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 27 March 2015 10: 17
    0
    Perhaps you are right, well, I just wrote a little about money, I just said that you can build three with that money, but these three will still cost the same 300 million, I just want to really want the combat effectiveness to correspond to the costs or to be higher than the three 90s
  13. Albert lipatov
    Albert lipatov 27 March 2015 11: 20
    +3
    The Israelis, based on the experience of modern tank battles, derived the desired characteristics of the tank of the future.
    1-uninhabited tower;
    2-ammunition in a separate unit outside the tank;
    3-crew in a special armored capsule;
    4-engine in front of the car performs an additional function of protecting the crew from shots in the forehead;
    5-additional transport compartment at the rear of the machine for transporting a small number of l / c;
    1. goose
      goose 27 March 2015 16: 00
      +1
      1. Possible, but requires verification
      2. Debatable
      3. Rather yes, but requires verification
      4. Debatable. It is proved that the crew’s security does not grow, and even in high-intensity conflicts, engine damage threatens the death of the entire crew, and not an individual. The likelihood of fires is also higher.
      Maintenance and cooling of the engine is difficult, which inadequately increases the cost of the tank.
      5. Definitely not. Strongly increases the size of the tank. Weakens the reservation.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 27 March 2015 16: 58
        0
        Quote: goose
        It is proved that the crew’s security does not grow, and in high-intensity conflicts, engine damage threatens the death of the entire crew, and not an individual. The likelihood of fires is also higher.

        Controversial
        Quote: goose
        5. Definitely not. Strongly increases the size of the tank. Weakens the reservation.

        Controversial
  14. Amorales
    Amorales 27 March 2015 11: 50
    +1
    I look forward to the Victory Parade on May 9th!

    I’m thinking that an integrated or modular air defense system is needed to detect a missile defense system. Otherwise, why the tank radar per 100km? I think this is too much, at sea, if my memory serves me, somewhere around 25km the horizon has a radius of view, beyond which the ships begin to hide. And here, not on the ground, the rough horizon line the line of sight is hardly 5-6 km. Although ... That makes sense! Have time to jump ... or say goodbye.
    1. glasha3032
      glasha3032 28 March 2015 00: 33
      0
      But imagine the situation - a blank disc hit the tank (conditionally) and all this anti-aircraft defense from the strike (not frail!) Was disconnected! And then what? Does TANK need this gadget if there are regular air defense systems of the unit? Honed to defend and counter enemy aircraft?
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  15. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 27 March 2015 12: 56
    +2
    T-14 "Armata" - the first tank 4-th generation
  16. htlernjh
    htlernjh 27 March 2015 13: 27
    +3
    What do many people compare t-34, t64, r-1, r-2, r-4, abramsy? You would have compared the Papuans! Different times ... Everything is different .. A tank is part of the corresponding military machine of the state - its element. No more .. Have you all forgotten 41g. Then, despite the fact that the USSR had objectively the best tanks, nevertheless, the Soviet armies retreated, surrounded, captured, destroyed. Why? Yes, because the military machine of the USSR model 41g was much worse than the German one. What happened at 43 on Kursk: the Germans have better tanks than ours, the planes are no worse, the soldiers too, the generals are the same dolbeshki like ours but ...? They lose all battles. Everyone should understand that the battle in the war and in the world is won by the system that is better debugged, like a system that works more clearly. It has always been so and it will be so: even in the war in 10 years the tank that shoots next will not win, but the system that provides this shooting and gives it the opportunity to shoot, shoot, before defeating the enemy. PHILOSOPHY !!!!!
    1. Grandfather Sadomazay
      Grandfather Sadomazay 27 March 2015 13: 55
      0
      I would put a plus sign, but I'm still a beginner here.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 27 March 2015 13: 55
      -6
      Quote: htlernjh
      What happened in the 43 on Kursk: the Germans have better tanks than ours, the planes are no worse, the soldiers too, the generals are the same dolbies like ours but ...?

      The Germans won the battle, by the way. Losses are many times less, positions remained behind them, the Soviet group suffered tremendous losses. Another thing is that the battle itself was only a particular in a large military operation. Which the Soviet Union brilliantly implemented. And the Wehrmacht did not have enough strength to oppose anything
      1. Rex
        Rex 27 March 2015 15: 12
        +1
        What do you mean "the Germans won the battle itself"?
        There were 2 operations - German, which did not achieve its goal at all, and Soviet - successful.
        Success was variable in positions. Our losses were large - for individual episodes of 1 to 10.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 27 March 2015 15: 23
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          Quote: Rex
          What do you mean "the Germans won the battle itself"?
          There were 2 operations - German, which did not achieve its goal at all, and Soviet - successful.
          Success was variable in positions. Our losses were large - for individual episodes of 1 to 10.

          The battle was part of the operation. The battle itself was lost, the operation as a whole was won. The battlefield remained with the Germans. But they didn’t have the strength to use the resulting short-term advantage at this point
          1. Rex
            Rex 27 March 2015 15: 48
            +2
            The wording itself is strange.
            Bala German operation "Citadel". During it, the Germans moved forward, but could not achieve the very goal of the operation (to surround and destroy the Soviet grouping).
            During 1,5 of the month, 2 German troops were defeated, after which the offensive was exhausted / drowned.
            In this case, what to call "the battlefield remained with the Germans"? Their advancement in certain areas? So ours on the individual advanced.
            HES, maybe territorially the Germans have "squeezed" more square meters during this time. km. than ours, but to say that they won the battle itself is strange to say the least.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 27 March 2015 16: 59
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              Quote: Rex
              The wording itself is strange.
              Bala German operation "Citadel". During it, the Germans moved forward, but could not achieve the very goal of the operation (to surround and destroy the Soviet grouping).
              During 1,5 of the month, 2 German troops were defeated, after which the offensive was exhausted / drowned.
              In this case, what to call "the battlefield remained with the Germans"? Their advancement in certain areas? So ours on the individual advanced.
              HES, maybe territorially the Germans have "squeezed" more square meters during this time. km. than ours, but to say that they won the battle itself is strange to say the least.


              We are not talking about operations in general, but about a specific battle within the framework of German and Soviet operations
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 27 March 2015 21: 36
                +1
                Quote: Pimply
                We are not talking about operations in general, but about a specific battle within the framework of German and Soviet operations

                So write that you do not mean the entire Kursk Bulge, but only Prokhorovka, otherwise it is completely unclear what you are talking about. It is clear that Prokhorovka was the result of a lack of intelligence, some chaos and only led to unnecessary losses, as a result of which there were no further active actions on the northern face of the Kursk Bulge, but then on the southern face they carried out a couple more operations ("commander Kutuzov" and " commander Rumyantsev "), during which the Germans were not very sickly patted.
                And the Kursk Bulge itself was not won "as a whole" but quite unambiguously - from that moment on there was a final turning point in the course of the war, the Germans could no longer conduct major offensive operations.
                Separately, about losses - what kind of losses do you mean? Give the figures at least ...
        2. goose
          goose 27 March 2015 16: 03
          +1
          Quote: Rex
          Success was variable in positions. Our losses were large - for individual episodes of 1 to 10.

          Losses in what and where. Facts!!!
    3. glasha3032
      glasha3032 28 March 2015 00: 40
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      Come on whistle about the "bad" war machine of the USSR! At home I have an infantry shoulder blade of a Red Army soldier - it was dug out of the ground 50 years later - like new! Dig-chop - no problem! There was also a German one - alas, all rotted away ... Even in this We are great! So, no need to find fault, in 41, everything was thought out for the future war! ...
  17. htlernjh
    htlernjh 27 March 2015 13: 39
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    Let's take two peaceful systems: one plant for the production of gasoline is brand new, the equipment is class, but the director is a great "economist" - the engineering and technical staff has cut down, the foremen too, every worker for himself. And in another, the same plant was built back in the 60th year, but the director there is not such an economist as the first one, all the personnel are in place, all the sections are with the heads, everyone is keenly watching the order, and all are linked in a single production system with the control and supervision authorities. The result of the work of the factories for a year: on the new part of the equipment was broken due to slovenliness, several workers were injured in industrial accidents and the director was imprisoned, and the second plant worked as it did. This is one example of a struggle between systems, but in peacetime. So in war ...
  18. Pimply
    Pimply 27 March 2015 13: 46
    -3
    An article on the C grade with a big minus.
    The author talks about the automatic machine and its lack of Western tanks - but he still has some of them, but on the same Merkava - a semiautomatic device. And it was said more than once whether AZ is an advantage, not necessarily, far not necessarily. The author says that there must be an 2-3 crew member - and not 4. But for some reason he misses why in a number of tanks their 4 - the load on the tankers is reduced during the operation of the tank, the conduct of hostilities, quick repair and maintenance, security, etc.
    A bunch of tanks are missing. The arguments are slurred.
    In general, the article is from ...
    1. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 27 March 2015 15: 31
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      Quote: Pimply
      The author says that there must be 2-3 crew members — and not 4. But for some reason he misses why there are 4 of them in a number of tanks — the load on the tankers is reduced during tank operation, combat operations, quick repair and maintenance, security and td

      Here I agree with you completely and completely. Although I am a deletant in tanks (although a little well-read and picked up), I also think that an extra pair of hands will unload the rest of the crew ...
      Quote: Pimply
      A bunch of tanks are missing. Slurred arguments

      Well, it is not gods who burn pots ... Sometimes "specialists", "professionals", "masters" and "personnel workers" carry such a terry achenia that you no longer know whether to cry or laugh ...
      Quote: Pimply
      The author talks about the automatic machine and its lack of western tanks - but he still has some of them, but on the same Merkava - a semiautomatic device

      On the "Leclerc" is. But the bulk of imports still pull shots into the breech manually or use devices a la rammer for this. Of course, I'm not familiar with the "semiautomatic device" of the "Merkava", but I have a suspicion that this is just another variation of it, albeit an advanced one ...
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 27 March 2015 17: 06
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        Quote: Chicot 1
        On the "Leclerc" is. But the bulk of imports still pull shots into the breech manually or use devices a la rammer for this. Of course, I'm not familiar with the "semiautomatic device" of the "Merkava", but I have a suspicion that this is just another variation of it, albeit an advanced one ...

        Well, for example, K-2 South Korean can be remembered, there it is also there. Only AZ is more than controversial.
        1. Chicot 1
          Chicot 1 27 March 2015 17: 41
          +1
          Quote: Pimply
          Well, for example, K-2 South Korean can be remembered, there it is also there

          Ah, yes! .. Where now without the world's best tank ... Well, I'm sorry, he did not impress me. Perhaps that is why I forgot ..
          Now tell me, how many imported MBTs in which there is no AZ and a loader is present? ..
          Quote: Pimply
          Only AZ is more than controversial

          Maybe controversial. But it has been working for more than a dozen years. And it works quite well ...
    2. goose
      goose 27 March 2015 16: 05
      +1
      Everything is correct, but MTLB with guest workers can be transported behind a tank company. For service, so to speak, the needs of the tank and crew. All the same, the rear and the headquarters cannot be cut off.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 27 March 2015 17: 07
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        Quote: goose
        Everything is correct, but MTLB with guest workers can be transported behind a tank company. For service, so to speak, the needs of the tank and crew. All the same, the rear and the headquarters cannot be cut off.

        Funny 8) Only Difficult
  19. Grandfather Sadomazay
    Grandfather Sadomazay 27 March 2015 14: 12
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    The article is already so good that it does not throw mud at the "Merkava" (just kidding).

    In general, it would be interesting to read what the Armata will be stuffed with, but talking about a breakthrough in tank building on the basis of rather vague hints and a sample not tested by real service in a real army is rather funny.
  20. Dinko
    Dinko 27 March 2015 14: 21
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    According to military experts, today the South Korean tank Black Panther is the most modern and even ahead of the German Leopard.
    1. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 27 March 2015 15: 43
      +2
      Quote: Dinko
      According to military experts, today the South Korean tank Black Panther is the most modern and even ahead of the German Leopard.

      It can and is ahead of the numbers on paper, and perch this South Korean cat in real combat conditions a la Iraq-Chechnya-Donbass it is not yet known how it will manifest itself ...
      Besides, "Leoperd" has one indisputable advantage over the loin, it is decades of operation. Moreover, in a variety of climatic conditions. This means that the vast majority of "childhood diseases" have long been eliminated. And what does the "black panther" know to this day? .. Is that exhibitions and test stands. And the great maximum is military training grounds ...
      So, in the place of experts, I would not be in a hurry to make "nambe one" from the loin ...

      By the way, the same applies to the T-14, which has more than one or two years of refinement ahead of it ...
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    3. glasha3032
      glasha3032 28 March 2015 00: 52
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      Dinko-and the Indians in their tank put the very best engine, gearbox, chassis - but the tank, alas, didn’t work out ... So Korean, even a little offhand, was made according to outdated standards. Alas, not a tenant on the field battle ...
  21. Taoist
    27 March 2015 16: 53
    +2
    Well, first of all, here we are talking about fundamental differences i.e. how one generation of combat vehicles differs from another ... and what advantages over the technology of the old generation will receive a new one.
    Of the main, it is precisely "desertion and security".
    In terms of the number of crew members ... well, judging by everything, it aims to reduce the number of people on the battlefield in general. Those. we go to a completely deserted tank. I think it is easier to solve the problem of inconveniences in everyday operation by introducing, as in aircraft engineering - "ground crew" - ie. some are piloted and others are engaged in the maintenance and operation of equipment ...
  22. Ivan_Anatolich
    Ivan_Anatolich 27 March 2015 18: 33
    +2
    "Native" Alabinsky concrete slabs. For three years in a row I stomped on them when I was preparing for the Victory Parade ...
  23. ingenera
    ingenera 27 March 2015 20: 09
    +1
    The T-64 was also a breakthrough at one time. True, the enemies were not very scared, and in their troops they were not very happy. We have produced too many types of "main tanks". The competition between designers and factories has cost the country dearly. Perhaps, by combining efforts (a little earlier), the current breakthrough would have happened early. Yes, and it's too early to shout: "We'll break everyone!" Bringing to mind new models of technology sometimes takes more time than designing. With all due respect to our tank builders. And still it is necessary to create a repair base, train specialists in the troops, etc. etc. Yes, even the "friend or foe" identification system should be installed on all other tanks in the country, otherwise he will click them like strangers. So for now, just a parade. And those who served in the army know how the parade differs from the service.