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Carabiner special KS-23

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KS-23 (special carbine 23 mm) - multifunctional weapon for arming police units. It is used to curb riots, selective mental, chemical or forceful influence on public order violators. It is a non-automatic pump-type shotgun, that is, its reloading is performed mechanically, by moving the forearm with a hand holding it back and then forward.


Work on the creation of this shotgun was begun in the 1970-ies, it was developed by order of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs. The technical assignment for the creation of a special carbine was formulated by the designers and engineers of TsNIITochmash and the research institute of special equipment of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. That is, the best cadres of the state worked on it. The following tasks were set before the new carbine: support for assault groups in apprehending highly dangerous criminals, suppressing mass protests with minimal damage to citizens (as an effective non-lethal means), and also conducting counter-terrorist operations (although in those years there was no such wording yet). The new weapon was conceived as a purely police weapon, while its use had to be quite flexible.

The novelty entered service only in the 1985 year, and so far, various KS-23 carbines are in service with the power units of the Russian Federation and a number of countries in the post-Soviet space. In the name of the carbine is not for nothing that there is the letter "C", revealing its special component. The weapon is really special and specific, it is in the caliber, barrel design, types of ammunition used, which allow for great tactical flexibility of using the KS-23.

КС-23 and КС-23М "Thrush"


The incident of this weapon is that according to the GOST standard classification generally accepted in our country, this carbine is an artillery gun, since it has a caliber larger than 20 mm. In principle, guns of the fourth (hunting) caliber (“goosenecks” or “canisters”), which are usually used for shooting at flocks of wild birds, can be found on the market, their nominal caliber is 23,75 mm. By the way, it was on the basis of the fourth-caliber hunting cartridge in our country that an 26-mm cartridge was developed for our Shpagin signal pistol. And then on the basis of this cartridge was developed and ammunition for a special carbine KS-23. This raises the question, but why are the calibers different? The answer is quite simple - a rifled barrel is used in the KS-23, these grooves also “eat up” the 3 mm.

The rifled barrel approach pays off. A rifled carbine was made so that it could provide the required accuracy of fire. The fact is that the representatives of the Ministry of Internal Affairs demanded that Soviet designers develop a carbine with such accuracy that it was possible to get into the small window of the airliner even from a relatively long distance. The designers realized that this problem simply cannot be solved without using a rifled barrel. Another fact is also of interest. The barrels for the KS-23 carbine are shortened and turned on the outside (to reduce weight) automatic 23-mm barrels aviation guns. This is such an original solution that simplified production and reduced the cost of the product. The trunk of the KS-23 was locked by turning the bolt on 4 radial lugs. The total length of the barrel was 510 mm, and the length of its rifled part was 410 mm, in total there were 10 grooves in the barrel.

KS-23M "Thrush"

Almost immediately after the launch of the KS-23 carbine, work began on its upgraded version of the KS-23 M code number “Drozd”. It was designed to arm the police and units of the internal troops of the Russian Federation. The upgraded version was created on the basis of the KS-23, work began in October 1990. At first, the new carbines were known as C-3. The first batch of 25 such C-3 carbines was transferred to 10 tests on December 1991 of the year, after which the carabiner was renamed from C-3 to KS-23M “Drozd”. The carbine was successfully tested and was adopted by the police and the Interior Ministry of Russia.



Carabiner KS-23М is not automatic. The mechanics of reloading this carbine works the same as that of a pump gun - from a longitudinally sliding forearm, which is rigidly connected to the bolt. Powered carbine Stock is made from tubular magazine, calculated on 3 cartridge, store placed under the barrel weapons. On the carbine used trigger mechanism trigger type. When fired, the bore was locked by turning the bolt's larva. For the firing of these weapons could use the entire range of ammunition, which were created for the KS-23. In addition, the installation of barrel nozzles "Nozzle-23" and "Nozzle-12" became possible on the KS-6М.

"Attachment-6" is intended for firing grenades with a diameter of 36 mm "Bird cherry-6" at a distance of up to 200 meters. This grenade emits up to 60 cubic meters of CN gas. However, these grenades can be used as hand. "Attachment-12" is intended for firing grenades with a diameter of 82 mm "Bird cherry-12" at a distance of up to 120 meters. Such a grenade emits up to 100 cubic meters of CN gas. Also with the KS-23M carbine, the OC-06 “Cat” nozzle could be used, which is intended for throwing a cat hook to the height of the 7 floor to a distance of up to 35 meters.

On the KS-23M carbine, an open sight, not adjustable, was used. Butt on it was replaced by a T-shaped shoulder rest. In addition, a pistol grip appeared on the weapon. Handguard and pistol grip were made of plastic. Despite the fact that the KS - 23M “Drozd” had a more compact size compared to its predecessor, it did not solve the main problem, which was incorporated into the design of the carabiner with a tubular magazine. We are talking about the impossibility of a quick replacement of the type of ammunition used (for example, you would need to quickly replace the cartridge with a rubber bullet with a cartridge with a gas). This problem was solved only in the KS-23K carbine.



KS-23K

If the carbine with the letter “M” in the title can be safely considered as a modernization of the base sample, then the model with the letter “K” is a completely different weapon. The motives of its creators, who have retained the old name, replacing only the letter, are not entirely clear. Yes, the weapon still has the same goals, there are common ammunition and identical parts in the design, but otherwise there are striking differences. So KS-23K is a carbine, which is built according to the bullpup scheme. That is, the control handle is located in front of the store. At the same time, unlike the first two models, the power is supplied from a detachable box magazine designed for 7 cartridges. A number of experts believe that such a decision pursued not only an increase in the capacity of the store, but also provided the ability to quickly change the used ammunition. You can always change the store with some ammunition to the store with others.

The KS-23K carbine uses a safety lever that was moved to the left side of the weapon and was located next to the pistol grip. The window for ejection of spent cartridges was covered with a special plate, which was opened only at the moment of reloading the weapon. In addition to this there stand the sight, which also serves as a handle, which is used to carry the rifle.

Carabiner special KS-23
KS-23K


Ammunition for KS-23

The basis of the versatility of the special carbine KS-23 has become a wide range of used ammunition. It was possible to use both ordinary hunting cartridges of the fourth caliber (shotguns), as well as specially designed ammunition and equipped cartridges of their own from a signal pistol from the secondary school.

Cartridges used:

"Wave" - ​​a cartridge with inert ammunition for shooting drill.

Volna-R is a cartridge equipped with a traumatic rubber bullet. Effective when firing at a distance of up to 70 meters. At the same time he has limitations: it is prohibited to shoot with such cartridges, closer than 40 meters. At such a distance there is a probability of causing serious injuries that can lead to death.

"Strela-3» - a cartridge equipped with a plastic bullet traumatic.

"Star" - cartridge light and impact.

“Bird-cherry-7” - cartridge, equipped with CN tear gas, has a range of 150 meters. In the state form a cloud of gas volume in cubic meters 30 intolerable concentration.

“Bird-cherry-7M” is an upgraded version of the previous cartridge, which has a volume of released tear gas increased to 50 cubic meters.

"Lilac-7" - cartridge, equipped with tear gas CS, compared with CN is more effective for citizens who are intoxicated. The firing range of such a cartridge 100 meters, the volume of gas emitted CS - 50 cubic meters.

"Shrapnel-10» - a cartridge equipped with a charge of buckshot with an effective firing range of 10 meters.

“Shrapnel-25” is a cartridge equipped with a shot of a canister with an effective range of 25 meters (enhanced charge).

"Barricade" - cartridge, equipped with a pointed steel bullet. Originally intended to stop vehicles due to engine damage. But, naturally, it can be used as a lethal ammunition, as well as an armor-piercing agent.

The blank cartridge is used for a sound baffling effect, as well as for firing with special barrel nozzles.

Information sources:
http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/rus/ks-23-r.html
http://ohrana.ru/weapon/valve/36666
http://gunsite.narod.ru/ks23m.htm
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  1. padonok.71
    padonok.71 26 March 2015 06: 13
    +4
    A terrible thing is this COP, in addition to the fact that it is, in caliber, artillery, and also in terms of caliber / barrel length, this is a howitzer!
    1. crazyrom
      crazyrom 27 March 2015 04: 30
      +3
      Blank cartridge - used for a stunning sound effect

      I am stunned by D:
  2. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 26 March 2015 06: 38
    +11
    I liked cop 23 to bullpup good And that would have been more clearly calibrated smooth-bore laughing
    1. Aqela
      Aqela April 12 2015 09: 04
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      Birdhouse rating! laughing
  3. D-Master
    D-Master 26 March 2015 07: 38
    +3
    Just a wonderful article - about a wonderful and rare weapon of its kind. I have never heard of rifled shotguns. Our learned gunsmiths once again showed a beautiful and non-trivial approach and dazzled a truly masterpiece. And barrels from aircraft guns are simply an over elegant solution.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 26 March 2015 13: 19
      +1
      Quote: D-Master
      I have never heard of rifled shotguns.

      You still read about the drilling of Lancaster.
    2. gross kaput
      gross kaput 26 March 2015 13: 23
      +1
      Quote: D-Master
      Our learned gunsmiths once again showed a beautiful and non-trivial approach and dazzled a truly masterpiece.

      Did you hold this "beautiful and non-trivial" masterpiece in your hands? although I will not argue with nontriviality - this really cannot be taken away from him laughing
      Quote: D-Master
      And barrels from aircraft guns are simply an over elegant solution.
      - besides extremely light weight laughing
      The design itself has too many congenital sores and if it had been developed by order of the Ministry of Defense and not the Ministry of Internal Affairs, then it would not have a chance of being adopted.
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        1. Vasek
          Vasek 26 March 2015 22: 50
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          Quote: matRoss
          MO? And whom should they arm?

          Generals on the hunt. soldier
      2. matross
        matross 26 March 2015 16: 41
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        MO? And whom should they arm? This is a SPECIAL weapon, almost a special tool and in its way is very good.
        PySy. I "held it in my hands" wink (COP-23M)
        1. gross kaput
          gross kaput 26 March 2015 17: 37
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          The question is not who to equip them with in the Defense Ministry, but the question is in the most pretty abrasive construction that the Defense Ministry would not even get to the test.
    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 27 March 2015 01: 42
      +1
      I once heard this version too: among other things, the choice of caliber was influenced by the fact that a considerable number of defective products accumulated during the production of 23 mm air gun barrels. They decided: why was good disappearing? Moreover, it made the weapon cheaper.
  4. inkass_98
    inkass_98 26 March 2015 08: 05
    +4
    Quote: D-Master
    the rarest weapon of its kind

    I shot it back in 1994, so you can’t call it particularly rare, it is simply used in specific conditions. Thing is yes, strong. I remember, with a rubber bullet, I broke a half-inch board and ofigel - THIS shoot in a crowd? True, according to the regulations, it is necessary to shoot with a bullet rebound from the ground, but who in reality will adhere to this in a dangerous situation?
    1. Hell's Angel
      Hell's Angel 26 March 2015 08: 35
      +7
      You are right COP is not so rare. I have already written about him and the results of its application. I especially liked "Wave" - ​​a cartridge with inert ammunition for shooting drill.There, the "shell" is interesting. Metal cylinder in a plastic container. The bandits from the Kemerovo-Novosibirsk highway have remembered her for life. As a result of a shot into the hood of their car, from top to bottom from the window of a tractor, the engine was ripped off the pillows.
      1. Timeout
        Timeout 26 March 2015 12: 34
        +1
        Quote: Hell Angel
        the engine tore off the pillows.

        An inert shot, like a grenade with a "bird cherry", weighs only 38,5 grams, the muzzle velocity is 270 m / s, and the energy is about 1400 J, you can see that even if you have cartridges with lead bullets from the AK-74, you can rip off the engines .. The wave is an aluminum cylinder with powder so that all the energy is spent on breaking the shell. So only with "Barricade", it just breaks the block.
        1. Hell's Angel
          Hell's Angel 26 March 2015 13: 15
          +1
          Two boards knocked down between themselves, with a total thickness of 15 cm, a shot from a distance of 100 meters. The hole you understand. The cylinder dug out in the parapet, it deformed but did not collapse. The engine was not seen, but the bandits "complained" themselves.
          1. gross kaput
            gross kaput 26 March 2015 13: 38
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            Quote: Hell Angel
            total thickness 15 см

            Are you confusing anything?
            1. Hell's Angel
              Hell's Angel 26 March 2015 18: 38
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              Maybe I'm confusing. It depends on what you mean. It was seven years ago. But you intrigued me. Snow porridge will come down at the test site, I will try again.
              1. gross kaput
                gross kaput 26 March 2015 20: 53
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                Quote: Hell Angel
                It depends on what you mean

                A thickness of 15 centimeters - maybe a little one and should be 1,5? for even 7x62X39 penetrates 30 cm at such a distance, and KaeSu has such a board, even at point blank range, it’s only a barricade in the teeth.
        2. gross kaput
          gross kaput 26 March 2015 13: 36
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          Quote: Timeout
          Wave, it's an aluminum cylinder with powder

          Well, as it were, the cartridge itself with the name "Wave" gradually evolved - the earliest ones that I came across - the mid-80s had a bullet from a beech cylinder wrapped in thick copper foil - for the sake of interest they shot them from a stub (ks-23m) from 30 meters on trees - at the poplar it rips off the bark with a radius of 10 centimeters and remains in the trunk itself a crater with a depth of 2 centimeters and a diameter of 5 centimeters, moreover, as the chemical smoke itself explained. with whose cartridges they fired, these cartridges are listed not as training cartridges but as traumatic "wave" cartridges. I just saw a steel container for bird cherry in plastic pallets - the same seventh bird cherry, but without irritant inside. And I heard, but I myself did not pick about aluminum ingots in the same plastic wads containers.
          1. Timeout
            Timeout 27 March 2015 01: 43
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            Quote: gross kaput
            the mid 80s had a bullet from a beech cylinder wrapped in thick copper foil

            The wooden bullet was taken from the arsenal of American cops, until the end of the 90s, police shotguns were equipped with such bullets. For the KS in the 90s, they made inert from the usual Cheryomukha-7 grenade, at first they used a steel case with an inert substance, at a later time they switched to an aluminum shell with a plastic container. At this time, or rather since 1998, only the latter have been produced. In 2003, I had to observe how the "gallant" guys from the SP of the Federal Penitentiary Service in Rostov smoked with the help of the COP the convicts from the lineman's booth. They fired a seven at the windows with a thick, reinforced plexus sewn from about 70 meters, the grenades simply bounced off the plastic.
    2. Timeout
      Timeout 26 March 2015 12: 41
      +1
      Quote: inkass_98
      I remember, with a rubber bullet, I broke a half-inch board and ofigel - THIS shoot in a crowd?

      The banal "Wasp" also breaks through the chipboard doors, which were installed in apartments back in the USSR. And there are enough cripples after the application of this trauma.
  5. bunny
    bunny 26 March 2015 08: 34
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    Quote: D-Master
    I've never heard of rifled shotguns

    So this is not a shotgun, but a carbine.
    Shotguns sometimes use devices to impart rotation to the shotgun, but this is done to increase the scree (angle of spread of the shot after the shot).
    1. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 26 March 2015 09: 25
      +1
      According to the law of the Russian Federation, for a civilian on a smooth barrel, a nozzle with "Paradox" rifling (if not there) no more than 150 mm for special bullets can be installed for a civilian on a smooth barrel, but to twist the shot (it goes in a screech) as you bent hi I have a saiga 410, I bought it right away, removed the check, put a short paradox and use only Foster bullets.
      1. alex-cn
        alex-cn 26 March 2015 09: 50
        +1
        Among your images, there is no Foster bullet, there is a Lancaster with a ball tip, Blum, and, in my opinion, one of the favnets.
        1. Siberia 9444
          Siberia 9444 26 March 2015 10: 17
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          It’s just for example, no more no less hi that in the paradox we need special bullets not round, not a satellite, not even Polev’s bullet all numbers and so on (I like the last ones) I use for 12 cal.
      2. Fibrizio
        Fibrizio 26 March 2015 10: 18
        +1
        If you want to shoot accurately, take the barrel longer, and the paradox is not a panacea. The caliber bullet (normal) and the cylinder will not greatly yield to the paradox, if at all. But maybe at 410 cal it is more tangible than at 12.
      3. Fibrizio
        Fibrizio 26 March 2015 10: 18
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        If you want to shoot accurately, take the barrel longer, and the paradox is not a panacea. The caliber bullet (normal) and the cylinder will not greatly yield to the paradox, if at all. But maybe at 410 cal it is more tangible than at 12.
        + I heard about stories when fools fired with ordinary caliber bullets through them. This is now an expensive pleasure. My gun a year ago cost 42, now 90. The new barrel I’m even afraid to think how much it will cost.
        1. Siberia 9444
          Siberia 9444 26 March 2015 11: 21
          +1
          I didn’t put it on 12 cal and I’m not going to bet; I like Polev’s subcaliber bullet from the floor of the check (to each his own drinks ) I have 410k -02, as you understand, the trunk is meek (for the soul to shoot + tuning) the paradox is better — it’s very stable (I shot at it and so on targets) I took to herd hunting for roe deer (the collimator stands) good
          1. Fibrizio
            Fibrizio 26 March 2015 12: 14
            +2
            I also usually shoot from the floor of the check. And in terms of cleaning, it simplifies life, and barrel wear is lower. But I tried to set the collimator, I did not notice a particular increase in accuracy. But you have a short trunk, you are more interested in these stray.
      4. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 26 March 2015 13: 22
        +3
        Quote: Siberia 9444
        According to the law of the Russian Federation, for a civilian on a smooth barrel, a nozzle with "Paradox" rifling (if not there) no more than 150 mm

        That's right, only 140mm.
        1. Siberia 9444
          Siberia 9444 26 March 2015 15: 00
          +3
          Yes you are right 140 mm hi forgot 10 mm crying
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  7. alex-cn
    alex-cn 26 March 2015 09: 41
    +2
    There is also a civilian version of the "drake". For those who want to learn how to do a back somersault fellow But apparently there are not many of them, I saw him only once ...
  8. padonok.71
    padonok.71 26 March 2015 12: 44
    +1
    I'll add more shots. The author forgot to mention the "PV-23M" cartridge, the so-called. the kicker with which the locks are kicked out. And also the "Hello" cartridge with a rubber bullet, although they say they have removed it from production, replacing it with the "Volna-R", which is more powerful (which is sometimes a minus). The latest "Hello" was seen in 2004.
    It seems that there is still a cumulative, concrete-piercing and armor-piercing cartridge, but I haven’t seen it myself, maybe even enemies.
    1. Timeout
      Timeout 27 March 2015 02: 26
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      Quote: padonok.71
      another cartridge "Hello" with a rubber bullet

      There is no such cartridge, there is a "Volna-R" with a bullet "Hello"
      23-mm cartridge Volna-R (23x75RT):
      weight - 36,5 g
      Bullet Hi spherical of high elastic rubber
      diameter - 24,2 mm
      weight - 9,8 g
      initial speed - up to 347 m / s
      Shot shell (bullet and three wads)
      weight - 19,6 g
      Throwing Charge - Falcon Plate Gunpowder
      weight - 1 g

      Effective range - 40-70 m
      Muzzle Energy - 590 J
      Specific muzzle energy - 1,28 J / mm2
      Energy at a distance of 70 m - 30 J
      Psr at a distance of 35 m - 34 cm
      A sharp decrease in accuracy - over 50 m
  9. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 26 March 2015 13: 49
    +1
    KS-23 - the barrel is excellent, but sometimes hacky. I don’t know how it is now, but for those assembled in the 90s, the shutter thrust is not just flimsy, but extremely flimsy.
  10. bmv04636
    bmv04636 26 March 2015 14: 32
    0
    I came across an article in the Star
    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201503261020-qdag.htm
    about
    In Russia, preparations are under way for setting a new world record in firing range. This role is not destined for an army rifle, but for a model assembled in a private arms production by Vladislav Lobaev. The same Lobaev, who once had already put on the belt the majority of foreign manufacturers of sniper weapons. Zvezda military journalist Dmitry Yurov went to the Lobaev Arms company in the city of Tarusa, in the Kaluga Region, to see for himself a unique rifle and test it in action.
    1. Hell's Angel
      Hell's Angel 26 March 2015 18: 44
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      Also saw this article. It's a pity that this rifle will never be seen in the units. Is that in "super - duper". I have already written about the purchased SVL. They lie dead weight, due to the lack of cartridges and a certificate for use in law enforcement agencies.
    2. Timeout
      Timeout 27 March 2015 02: 30
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      Quote: bmv04636
      In Russia, preparations are under way for setting a new world record in firing range. This role is not destined for an army rifle, but for a model assembled in a private arms production by Vladislav Lobaev. The same Lobaev, who once had already put on the belt the majority of foreign manufacturers of sniper weapons. Zvezda military journalist Dmitry Yurov went to the Lobaev Arms company in the city of Tarusa, in the Kaluga Region, to see for himself a unique rifle and test it in action.

      Again, Lobaev's advertisement on Topvar ... Take the mods from Vlad for the advertisement! And then he drives bullshit, and "Review" will remain extreme))).
  11. Kaetani
    Kaetani 26 March 2015 15: 03
    +3
    In 96-98, during the service he shot several times from KS-23. Impressions were strong. The photograph, even from the army, remained with him ...
    But when they were leaving on a business trip, KS-23 remained in Kho.
    1. Hell's Angel
      Hell's Angel 26 March 2015 18: 50
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      I heard that some military unit used it in Ichkeria. They shot at the window of the house "bird cherry", the strikers from there began to climb like cockroaches, and our valiant "vovans" shot them like in a shooting range. I don't know, really no. We also did not take KS, although we have several of them and KS - 23 and KS - 23M.
  12. Aleksander P.
    Aleksander P. 26 March 2015 15: 25
    +1
    His recoil is monstrous, especially in the version without a butt, although tolerable in general. The development of the Soviet era, when you hold power in your hands is felt. One of the applications is firing a grenade with tear gas when attacking an airplane, it seems like the side should pierce, but the grenade already fires there delivering the filling to consumers, in any case we were told about this method of use.
  13. gross kaput
    gross kaput 26 March 2015 15: 48
    +1
    Quote: Aleksander P.
    His bestowal is monstrous

    Do not drive a blizzard, the recoil is quite acceptable even for the hottest versions of cartridges, and you don't feel the "P wave" at all, shooting with a can of Ch-12 is nothing extraordinary, only the barrel bites after the can goes off.
    1. Aleksander P.
      Aleksander P. 27 March 2015 16: 59
      +1
      And it’s true, well, what kind of return can be on a handgun of a cannon caliber, and even a rifled one, just a little bit like that of a sportswoman. Although I did not think so.
  14. ratfly
    ratfly 26 March 2015 17: 31
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    Somehow I was shooting with KS-23 in the training center ... in a plywood mujahideen. I got where I wanted 2cm taller. The return is bearable, some hunting rifles will have worse, as the horses kick.
  15. gross kaput
    gross kaput 26 March 2015 18: 31
    +4
    I figured out a little work - you can write in more detail.
    With Kaesom, over the course of several years, I had a chance to hang out on various educational and showy and not only events, so my opinion was formed not by pictures and articles or by "giving one shot" but by the experience of real operation. The concept itself is interesting and necessary, and not only for police purposes - so one of my friends in the summer of 1995 quite successfully smoked Czechs from brilliant green with the help of KS-23 and Ch-12. But the implementation of this idea is, to put it mildly, controversial - what the hell was it necessary to fence a garden with your next "unparalleled" design of a pump with a butterfly valve? Couldn't you have taken a time-tested and licked hard drive or so? The carbine itself has congenital sores and is suitable for use only by a really trained person - a fighter who was just shown what to push and pull where in a real situation is guaranteed to disable the carbine. The first jamb - in all pumps, the shutter and, accordingly, the forend are locked in the forward position only if the trigger is cocked (protection from a shot when the shutter is not locked) but in KS-23 - what is the "best shot" decided that reloading should always be blocked - as a result, many for reload they begin to jerk the forend without pressing the latch key and if the shooter has a lot of foolishness, then the rods bend and wedge the shutter, as a result, disassembly is required to correct it - I personally observed three similar incidents, and in one the fool almost managed to take his head off - because he decided to fix it " in Russian "- he took the forearm and began to hammer the butt against the ground - as a result, a shot near the durik was slurping and a gray-haired ensign from the OMON who saw this picture. The second jamb, if the disassembly of the carbine does not cause special difficulties for people familiar with the pumps, then the assembly should be carried out only by ordinary people - if the assembly is incorrect, the long shank of the drummer bends, which protrudes from the bolt by a good 2-3 centimeters, and you cannot bend it back because it is heated and breaks down immediately. Against this background, the excessive mass of the "cannon" barrel and the small capacity of the store do not look so bad, but once finding ourselves in the same situation when our brilliant Suvorovs and Kutuzovs, we - 15 people armed with KS-23, landed on one side of the many thousands of angry and armed with sticks armatures and with the knives of the crowd, and the Zoldatik and Momon, who were supposed to cover us during the reloading of the shaitan-rifles on the other, that's when I said a big human thanks to the creators of weapons with an "extremely capacious" and, most importantly, very quickly reloadable under-barrel magazine for as many as three rounds.
    As for the cartridges - according to their wide range and efficiency, nothing bad can be said, but one question remains - which cartridge cases are still used for equipment? In theory, cartridges are stored in zinc, similar in size to FOG zinc, and besides that, they are also packed in polyethylene packs of five pieces - but the byad is that people usually carry them either in a cartridge belt or in bulk in bags or pockets (I personally used one for these purposes or two bags from the set of ROM-k for GP-7VM), and if the hunters solved the problem of soaked casings simply - either for scrap or for reloading, then with special ammunition everything is not so rosy - those who have not been shot should be "put where they grew up" and not the fact that after after they dry out, they will work normally or even crawl into the chamber.
    1. Timeout
      Timeout 27 March 2015 02: 32
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      Quote: gross kaput
      licked Winchester or Ithaca

      And this is Winchester 1300!
  16. ruslan207
    ruslan207 26 March 2015 19: 34
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    Somehow I was shooting with KS-23 in the training center ... in a plywood mujahideen. I got where I wanted 2cm taller. The return is bearable, some hunting rifles will have worse, as the horses kick.
    In the Middle Ages in smoothbore guns, a similar caliber was



  17. zubkoff46
    zubkoff46 26 March 2015 20: 10
    +1
    They would take the Mossberg-500 or, at worst, Maverick (both 12 gauges) as a basis, and would not fool the personnel with the invention of bicycles. It is a proven, simple and reliable technique.
    1. Timeout
      Timeout 27 March 2015 01: 49
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      Quote: zubkoff46
      They would take the Mossberg-500 or, at worst, Maverick (both 12 gauges) as a basis, and would not fool the personnel with the invention of bicycles. It is a proven, simple and reliable technique.

      It is based on "Winchester 1300", a complete analog except for the rifled barrel!
      1. gross kaput
        gross kaput 27 March 2015 10: 34
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        Yes, your truth, now I looked at the details of the hard drive - it is very similar.
        1. Timeout
          Timeout 27 March 2015 14: 54
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          Quote: gross kaput
          Yes, your truth, now I looked at the details of the hard drive - it is very similar.

          As you can see, ours are also not bad plagiarized. And I noticed by the lock key, because on the Winchester this jamb for which this particular model was scolded, looked at the explosion-scheme, even their trigger system is the same ...
  18. fa2998
    fa2998 26 March 2015 20: 49
    +1
    Quote: matRoss
    MO? And whom should they arm? This is a SPECIAL weapon, almost a special tool and in its way is very good.
    PySy. I "held it in my hands" wink (KS-23)

    I agree! And I also held it in my hands. In part there were several units to disperse the riots. Of the ammunition, Cheremukha and Lilac. They took to the stadium (football), did not show the public, were lying in the car. Brutal weapons, as in American action movies, are solid. At short distances, it will not be enough. hi
  19. Aleksandr72
    Aleksandr72 27 March 2015 18: 37
    +2
    I quote: "In principle, on the market you can find guns of the fourth (hunting) caliber (" goose "or" buckshot "), which are usually used for shooting flocks of wild birds, their nominal caliber is 23,75 mm."
    Here is a "gosyatnitsa" based on KS-23:
    At the Tula Arms Factory in 1995, on the basis of the KS-23, a 4-caliber Selezen hunting rifle was developed (sometimes the marking TOZ-123 is found), which actually differed from the KS-23 only in its smooth barrel bore.
    Pump-action smoothbore gun for commercial and amateur hunting of the 4th caliber (23,75 mm) under a special 4x81 shotgun cartridge. According to the advertisement, it is intended for firing with cartridges equipped not only with shot and canister, but also with bullets. The Central Research Institute-Tochmash of Klimovsk is produced.
    The barrel is 720 mm long (or 505 mm), the chamber length is 81 mm. The slide is locked, locked by turning the bolt larva (most wedge pump models use wedge locking) with four stops. Trigger trigger type. There are two special pins on the shutter mirror for applying forensic marks to the sleeve. Magazine tubular under-barrel for three cartridges. Standard sights - rear sight and front sight. Provides for the installation of an optical sight. There are two fuses. The first (push-button) is mounted on the front of the trigger guard under the index finger and locks the trigger when turned on. The second (lever type) is located on the left behind the trigger guard and is designed to prevent premature unlocking of the erased channel. Overall dimensions 1220x56x205 mm. Weight 4,5 kg.
    The most significant drawback of the Drake is its strong recoil, which exceeds that of a 12-caliber rifle by 20 percent.
    The KS-23 carbine itself is a rather interesting incident in the classification of small arms. Firstly, according to the still valid GOST 28653-90 "Small arms. Terms and definitions" this carbine is not a small arms at all, because has a caliber of more than 20 millimeters, and in terms of the standard should already be considered a small-caliber artillery. Secondly, despite the use of a rifled barrel, the KS-23 uses cartridges that are structurally similar to cartridges for smooth-bore weapons, which have a composite sleeve with a brass base and a folder case. In addition, in addition to caliber grenades and bullets, the KS-23 can also routinely use cartridges with conventional buckshot, similar to hunting cartridges of 4 caliber.
    This is a photo of "Drake" -