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Russian military aviation is a powerful but fading force (Reuters, USA)

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On March 3, seven Russian attack aircraft launched from the Novofedorovka airbase in Crimea. Their route ran over the Black Sea in the direction of two NATO warships, the American missile cruiser Vicksburg and the Turkish frigate Tugutreis. Russian state-owned media called this operation a “refinement of exploration training tasks.” The aircraft monitored NATO ships from a distance greater than the defeat distance in the event of a hypothetical combat collision.

Russian military aviation is a powerful but fading force (Reuters, USA)


Such a patrol has become a common practice since the beginning of the war in Ukraine. A Russian aircraft is approaching NATO military ships or the airspace boundary and is conducting an imitation of combat maneuvers or reconnaissance actions. The number of Russian fighters and bombers patrolling space near NATO’s borders has tripled in the past year, but patrols have not yet become regular weekly, as during the Cold War.

It is safe to say that the Russian military aviation - formidable force. It takes the second place in the world in the number of combat aircraft; of 2500 aircraft more than 70 percent are serviceable. Unlike the naval fleet Russia, which has significantly reduced coastal defense forces, the Air Force possess significant combat power by modern international standards. Russia has the world's second largest fleet of strategic bombers capable of delivering nuclear weapon over a distance of thousands of kilometers.

However, the air force faces a host of problems that are characteristic of the entire military machine of the Kremlin. With few exceptions, the air force was created during the Cold War and is gradually becoming obsolete. Modern powerful fighters come into service, however, in small quantities. In the long run, further reductions in the Russian Air Force are expected.

The causes of these problems arose after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. Plants producing aircraft and spare parts were closed or remained on the territory of other countries, mainly Ukraine. Engineers with experience in aircraft building emigrated or left the profession. The state stopped buying new aircraft (no cars were purchased until 2003) and suspended training flights.


Russian Su-30CM at the airshow at Ramenskoye Airport, 29 August 2013


Russia has a lot to do. The Kremlin currently considers the modernization of its air force a top priority. This requires not only new aircraft, but also retrofitting of the existing fleet. In 2014, Russia spent more than a billion dollars to create new avionics and electronics systems that could allow Russian aircraft to more effectively suppress radar and tracking systems of enemy aircraft using electromagnetic energy.

On the whole, Russia plans to spend 130 billions of dollars on upgrading the air force during this decade, according to a blog post by the American military analyst Dmitry Gorenberg “Russian Military Reform”.

The state rearmament program, which provides for military procurement prior to 2020, relies heavily on domestic production. “Such an approach is not without some difficulties,” notes the review of the OE Watch, the monthly magazine of the Center for Foreign Military Studies of the US Army, “which the Kremlin prefers not to discuss publicly.”

Among these problems can be called a serious lag of the Russian industry in the field of microelectronics. These elements are not as widely known as airframes or missiles, which Russia does very well, but are critically important for modern fighters. Technologies provide such combat advantages as night vision and thermal imaging systems.

Forming your own aviation industry is not only a program involving the creation of new jobs. For Moscow, it is absolutely necessary. A huge amount of Russian military equipment was manufactured in Ukraine until the war between the Ukrainian government and the pro-Russian separatists put an end to this. The Ukrainian state-owned company Ukroboronprom, for example, produced most of the engines for Russian helicopters until last year’s contacts with it. According to British military experts from the Royal United Services Institute, Russia is physically unable to produce a sufficient number of engines to upgrade its helicopter fleet, since most of them were manufactured in Ukrainian factories.

Russia and Ukraine jointly produced heavy long-range transport aircraft AN-124, more than half of the elements of which are produced by Ukrainian enterprises. However, it should be noted that the Russian military transport aviation has a long service life. One of the largest Ukrainian aircraft factories, which supplied spare parts to Russia, is located in Zaporizhia, not far from the territory controlled by pro-Russian separatists.

“Many auxiliary systems, from hydraulics to brake parachutes, for Russian fighters Su-27, Su-30 and Su-35, as well as the latest model Su-34, are also manufactured in Ukraine. These four aircraft are the most modern Russian fighter. They are essentially very similar, with some differences and improvements in engines and electronics.


Russian fighter Su-27 during the Russian-American exercise "Vigilant Eagle" ("Sharp-eyed Eagle")


Aircraft hulls are produced by two different Russian companies, Irkut and KnAAZ (the Y.A. Gagarin Aviation Plant Komsomolsk-on-Amur), which is rather inconvenient and inefficient, however, there are reasons for this. For a long time, the Kremlin has made great efforts to find buyers in the international market. Therefore, the presence of two companies producing aircraft for the domestic market, allows you to maintain the performance of their production lines.

The most advanced Russian fighter of the fifth generation T-50, which is still under development, is also experiencing some problems. The Kremlin does not disclose any details about this car, a potential competitor to the American F-22 Raptor. However, some details are still known. Russia and India are jointly developing a version of this model for the Indian Air Force, so Indian generals had the opportunity to get acquainted with this aircraft. It is alleged that they did not like what they saw.

India has invested more than 5 billions of dollars in the original design, which should be compatible with Indian-made missiles and navigation systems. New Delhi intends to eventually acquire 200-like fighters and has few alternatives. In the class to which T-50 belongs, the only competitors in the international market are the Chinese J-20 and the American F-35. However, India needs fighters that can withstand the Chinese, and an equivalent amount of F-35-s would have cost significantly more. The Indian Air Force also has extensive experience in flying Russian-made vehicles. If New Delhi seeks to compete with China, this means either the acquisition of a huge number of less sophisticated aircraft, or the solution of problems with T-50.

Even Indian generals believe that T-50 is too expensive and has many low-quality items. “The aircraft engine was unreliable, the radar was not accurate enough, the anti-radar characteristics were poorly developed,” wrote the Indian publication Business Standard, which collected feedback from officers of the Indian Air Force. The newspaper does not specify the details, but the mention of anti-radar characteristics may indicate shortcomings in certain parts of the aircraft body. Russia has manufactured five T-50 prototypes, and small differences in design, such as poorly fitted fuselage corners, can make it vulnerable to radar. They also have large round engines that in no way allow them to remain inconspicuous.

However, all the same, the T-50 is a powerful and fast long-range fighter, and the Kremlin intends to equip it with modern missiles with the X-58USHKE radar homing head. The American F-22 and F-35 fighters are relatively slower and their missiles have a smaller radius of action.

The Air Power Australia Aviation Research Center concluded that the T-50 could emerge victorious from a potential air battle against American fighters of the new generation, such as the long-suffering F-35. However, even if this is true, Russia is able to produce these cars only in small quantities. Moscow intends to receive X-NUMX T-2020 aircraft by 60, which is an optimistic scenario. The first fighters were supposed to be put into service last year, but this did not happen. New date appointed 50 year.

Sixty perfect fighters may seem like a lot. However, the United States plans to create 2400 F-35 in the next two decades, and have already begun to supply them. And this is in addition to the 187 already available in service with the F-22. According to the expert, this means that the most modern Russian combat aircraft will be in a significant minority, while the rest of the Kremlin air fleet will continue to age.
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  1. Civil
    Civil 24 March 2015 18: 40
    +5
    On March 23, 2015, Russia's Deputy Minister of Defense for Arms, Yuri Borisov, said the military could buy fewer fifth-generation T-50 fighters (a promising front-line aviation complex - PAK FA) than planned in the State Armament Program until 2020

    In the new economic conditions, the initial plans can be adjusted, ”he explained.“ It’s better for us to have a backlog in the form of a PAK FA and the ability to then move forward, having squeezed all the possibilities out of generation 4+ fighters


    I don’t even know what to say
    1. milann
      milann 24 March 2015 18: 45
      +38
      Quote: Civil
      The state rearmament program, which envisages military purchases up to the 2020 year, emphasizes domestic production.

      This is what worries Amer warriors, but makes me happy.
      1. hedgehog in the fog
        hedgehog in the fog 24 March 2015 18: 49
        +17
        the 4 ++ generation is still awesome, it seems to me that it’s necessary to debug the fifth generation complexes for another five years, plus the Mikoyans should pull themselves up, in the conditions of two competitors the results are improving ...
        1. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 24 March 2015 19: 43
          +10
          Quote: hedgehog in the fog
          Mikoyans must catch up, in the conditions of two competitors the results are improving ...


          The fact is that they are not competitors. These are aviation complexes of different classes and purposes: MIGi-light class, and SUHie-heavy class. Accordingly, they are designed to solve different b / tasks. Without details.
          1. eaa59
            eaa59 25 March 2015 18: 41
            -4
            I apologize, but it is the MIG that is considered a heavy fighter, and SU light. In any case, 15 years ago when I defended the term papers it was considered that way. And it is precisely on the basis of these assumptions that the MiGs are used only as fighter-interceptors, and the Sukhoi Design Bureau has an expanded model range. In confirmation of this thesis, you can put next to the same SU-27 and MIG-29 or SU-30 and MIG-31, and compare their dimensions. Well, if there is a desire, compare the performance characteristics. Regarding competitors or not, the Sukhoi and Mikoyan Design Bureau in the development of the 5 generation fighter, then your opponent is right, it’s the competitors, since the 5 generation should have a wide range of tasks, and here we are not talking about separation into light and heavy. The plane must be universal.
            1. langeron
              langeron 25 March 2015 19: 18
              +1
              Mig-29 and Su-27 can not be put next to it! These are different planes, different performance characteristics, different purposes!
              1. eaa59
                eaa59 27 March 2015 10: 14
                0
                Naturally, these are different aircraft for both their intended purpose and their performance characteristics. And to put them side by side for comparison, I suggest that in the future they would not write nonsense and clearly remember which of the fighters is heavy and which is light.
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      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 24 March 2015 20: 52
        +7
        Quote: milann
        Quote: Civil
        The state rearmament program, which envisages military purchases up to the 2020 year, emphasizes domestic production.
        This is what worries Amer warriors, but makes me happy.

        And if we return to the perestroika level in terms of production - so let America then completely drown in malice. To revive the fact that during the 25 years of democracy, the pros.r.al.i - and then we drove drooling on all of their Pha-35 ...
      3. bort4145
        bort4145 24 March 2015 21: 46
        +9
        In the long run, further reductions in the Russian Air Force are expected.

        The Kremlin currently considers the modernization of its air forces one of its top priorities. This requires not only new modern aircraft, but also the re-equipment of the existing fleet.

        Something does not fit laughing

        Among these problems can be called a serious lag in Russian industry in the field of microelectronics.
        Keep thinking like that.

        A huge amount of Russian military equipment was manufactured in Ukraine, while the war between the Ukrainian government and pro-Russian separatists put an end to this.

        In general, the author "lagged behind life" by 10 years.

        The Air Power Australia Aviation Research Center concluded that the T-50 could emerge victorious from a potential air battle against next-generation American fighters, such as the long-suffering F-35.

        And the Su-35 is capable of "making out" the F-35, the Americans have bet too much on "invisibility".
        1. bort4145
          bort4145 24 March 2015 22: 00
          +4
          I remember an acquaintance telling me how our anti-aircraft gunners "brought down" the vaunted amerovskie planes.
        2. GDP
          GDP 25 March 2015 12: 08
          +1
          And the Su-35 is capable of "making out" the F-35, the Americans have bet too much on "invisibility".

          35 anyone can do, because it is actually not a fighter, but an attack aircraft closer in class to front-line bombers and the corresponding characteristics. It is more sharpened for work on ground targets ...
          By the way, for all flight characteristics, it is practically identical to the 34 front-line bomber.
      4. kamikaze
        kamikaze 24 March 2015 23: 31
        +2
        this is the power of Russian Tu-160 aviation. a little show off to the Americans.
      5. Sergey Vl.
        Sergey Vl. 25 March 2015 02: 54
        +4
        It turns out that without Ukrainian participation we will not have aviation. Why then is there no such thing in Kraine ?!
        But the author of this article can be landed on a drifting ice floe and he will competently describe the migration of sand dunes in the Sahara.
      6. GSH-18
        GSH-18 25 March 2015 14: 05
        0
        This article is for domestic (NATO) consumption.
      7. gorefest7777
        gorefest7777 26 March 2015 00: 43
        0
        however, the warriors ordered instead of 50 only 16 pieces of T50
    2. pavel_SPB
      pavel_SPB 24 March 2015 18: 46
      +19
      stuffing he is stuffing.
      1. Motherland Russia
        Motherland Russia 24 March 2015 18: 48
        +3
        Naturally - well then they caught up with their saldafons in Europe?
      2. the polar
        the polar 24 March 2015 20: 06
        +23
        Well, firstly, a modern combat aircraft does not work alone, but in systemic interaction with ground tracking and guidance stations and long-range electronic reconnaissance aircraft. And its main combat potential lies not in "invisibility", but in onboard weapons, which are more effective in terms of range and accuracy. But about the effectiveness of Russian Pindovoyak aircraft missiles, they didn't find anything obscene, what to say. This is significant.
        Let's say for an example; if a combat aircraft has a speed within seven hundred km / h, and poor "invisibility" and its missile armament and integrated guidance detection system allows you to detect the enemy for one and a half thousand kilometers, and an onboard missile is guaranteed to destroy the enemy without entering its kill zone, then such an airplane of mediocre flight characteristics is unlikely to be intimidated by the horrible Raptor or the F-35. And in close combat what is needed is not "invisibility", super-high maneuverability. The emphasis in the development of combat aviation is shifted to integrated early warning and guidance systems, and to high-precision airborne missile weapons.
        So let America rivet thousands of "invisible", and Russia rivet thousands of high-precision aircraft missiles, which will cost a little less.
    3. Boos
      Boos 24 March 2015 18: 47
      +11
      Costs of the "market" economy ... The state needs to pay for the labor of workers and engineers assembling combat aircraft. Raw materials and processing must also be state-owned. Then it will be possible to saturate the Air Force with modern technology, bypassing the cunning "bugs".
      1. Boos
        Boos 24 March 2015 18: 50
        +12
        In the First World War, a shell produced at a state-owned plant was three times cheaper than at "patriotic" private plants.
      2. gorefest7777
        gorefest7777 26 March 2015 00: 47
        0
        I completely agree with you, colleague
    4. clidon
      clidon 24 March 2015 18: 57
      +3
      And then what can I say? In my opinion, two factors influencing this decision are not visible only to those who do not want to see them.
      - PAK FA program delays
      - increase in the cost of production in connection with the depreciation of the national currency.
      In this case, as it seems to me, the first is more important - because for such a priority program the money would be "squeezed" from someone less significant.
      1. Simon
        Simon 24 March 2015 22: 20
        +6
        And my opinion is this. The delay of the PAK FA program is just a revision of the aircraft.
        1. clidon
          clidon 24 March 2015 22: 47
          +1
          Of course, the program was delayed for a reason. Something does not work out as quickly as I wanted.
    5. sent-onere
      sent-onere 24 March 2015 19: 07
      +2
      A good dancer (pilot) decides a lot. For some reason I did not see the cool aerobatic stunts on the steep F-22. F-35 in general with a big stretch can be called the 5th generation. In many ways, the outcome of the battle depends on the position of the enemy, in aviation this is a dynamic moment and the ability to occupy the right one depends on the skill of the pilots. Americans know when to shoot down planes, because they are aggressors, exactly according to the same plan their planes could be destroyed, but the one who defends himself is usually not the first to attack.
      1. andranick
        andranick 24 March 2015 19: 41
        +7
        Quote: sent-onere
        For some reason I did not see cool aerobatic stunts on the steep F-22
        He is not sharpened for that. His task is to quietly come, strike "out of the tishka" and escape on supersonic. At least so in dreams the concept of "contactless war". Based on this doctrine, "cool aerobatic stunts" - not exactly about him.
      2. clidon
        clidon 24 March 2015 20: 32
        +3
        F-22 just performs well on pilotage:
        http://yandex.ru/video/search?filmId=EWRYnfyxUXI&text=%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%83%D1%82%D
        0%BE%D0%B9%20%D0%BF%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B6%20%20F-22&_=142721829141
        9 & safety = 1

        Over-maneuverability is no longer included in the F-35 concept.
      3. glasha3032
        glasha3032 25 March 2015 00: 37
        +1
        SENT-ONERE: Do you think that in the next war we will use cool aerobatics with firing a cannon a la Korea 50s, rather than firing rockets at extreme distances?
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    7. sent-onere
      sent-onere 24 March 2015 19: 15
      +2
      If the state purchases weapons, "then everything is not so bad today." It is somewhat upsetting that the future tense prevails, but nevertheless!

      -------------------------------------------------- ---


      Success in the war is decided by two factors: a new model gun and a school teacher. - Otto von Bismarck
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    9. Giant thought
      Giant thought 24 March 2015 19: 24
      +2
      And what kind of feedback could be expected from the mattress, according to him in aviation, we have impenetrable problems that we cannot solve, in general, the mattress took up complacency, as they say: halva, halva, halva ...
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 24 March 2015 20: 40
        0
        Quote: Thought Giant
        And what kind of feedback could be expected from the mattress,

        Only black and funeral recall! Logs in their eyes do not see! The enormous funds spent on their raptor-type projects were successfully cut, and the output was zilch!
    10. demon1978
      demon1978 24 March 2015 19: 27
      +1
      Quote: Civil
      I don’t even know what to say


      However, the US plans to create 2400 F-35s in the next two decades.

      They just plan the old-new trick a la star wars part ....
      Undoubtedly it is NECESSARY to develop and produce the latest weapons, but why do we need a dozen air armies ???? Can we afford it now ??
      As practice shows, even against the backdrop of a complete failure of financing the army and the military-industrial complex in the nineties and massive reductions, the Strategic Rocket Forces of Russia remained a tough nut for lovers of hole democracy, an attempt to bite it will inevitably lead ALL to the Stone Age. And with the normalization of funding, the task of holecrats only becomes more complicated !!!
      1. sergeybulkin
        sergeybulkin 24 March 2015 20: 22
        +3
        The United States has not yet properly debugged weapons for its new aircraft. That missiles do not fit the gun does not shoot. F-35 is generally a dark horse, maybe they rivet them thousands, but not the fact that they will be bought. To put it mildly - very expensive, incredibly expensive to operate and maintain. To prepare pilots for him will also not be easy and not cheap. Most likely the pilots and technicians will be the main problems, however, we also have such a problem.
        Let's just say: wait and see.
    11. ava09
      ava09 24 March 2015 20: 04
      0
      ))) And I already saw quotes somewhere ...)))
      1. almost demobil
        almost demobil 24 March 2015 20: 18
        +1
        From the article the mothballs carries per kilometer. How do you raise such nonsense from the bottom?
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    13. Very old
      Very old 24 March 2015 20: 30
      0
      and what to say, he so (exactly) wants to see the Russian Air Force

      Do not forbid. Whatever IT dabbled in
    14. Nick
      Nick 24 March 2015 21: 43
      +1
      Quote: Civil
      I don’t even know what to say

      Yes, actually, their 5-th generation does not exceed the Russian 4 ++ too much. The lack of stealth, offset by high maneuverability, radars and weapons on the Russian Su-35 no worse. Dviguny are also approaching the 5-th generation
    15. Homo
      Homo 24 March 2015 22: 12
      0
      Quote: Civil
      I don’t even know what to say

      That wasn’t worth writing!
    16. Finches
      Finches 24 March 2015 23: 05
      +4
      Comrades, the best system of government for such a vast territory was socialism, but we pissed it off! Therefore, now, with GDP and its correct, sovereign course, this is the independence, sovereignty and integrity of Russia, as the main factor in the prosperous existence of all the peoples of our country!

      1. Serhio
        Serhio 25 March 2015 02: 28
        0
        Mouth front comrade!))
    17. Glavmec
      Glavmec 25 March 2015 04: 24
      +2
      The author, apparently, was not even close to our aircraft factories ... In hearsay, n ---- vol. And even in the early 2000s, at our plant, the official "evening" was counted an hour from lunchtime, and 3 hours after the end of the working day due to the high workload of the enterprise. It was possible to choose double pay or time off, but time off was strongly discouraged. And the training of personnel went on constantly, and mentoring was like in the USSR. And while 3 types were simultaneously in production. Who understands - terrible hemorrhoids.
    18. Drmadfisher
      Drmadfisher 25 March 2015 04: 32
      0
      yes it's all their wet dreams wassat
    19. holgert
      holgert 25 March 2015 11: 41
      0
      ..a to say something, and so clearly ----- DO NOT keep up with the enemy !!!!! TIME --- this is what we have very little !!!!!
    20. GSH-18
      GSH-18 25 March 2015 13: 43
      0
      In the class to which it belongs T-50, the only competitors in the international market are the Chinese J-20 and american f-35

      laughing laughing laughing
      Dear our American friends! before THIS writing, you at least TTX compare!
    21. GSH-18
      GSH-18 25 March 2015 13: 46
      0
      Even Indian generals believe that the T-50 is too expensive and has many low-quality elements. “The airplane’s engine turned out to be unreliable, the radar not accurate enough, the radar characteristics poorly designed

      Duc and how do you like ??? This is an export option!
      For any T-50 for you and for our air force will be different request
    22. GSH-18
      GSH-18 25 March 2015 13: 52
      +1
      They also have large circular engines that will in no way allow them to remain invisible.

      What kind of nonsense is this? One is not connected with the other at all! It is hypothesized that a "rectangular" jet stream dissipates faster and because of this type there is less thermal signature. Ours on the T-50 installed rectangular nozzles. The effectiveness of such a technique showed its doubtfulness. In addition, it is problematic to manufacture square nozzles with a controlled thrust vector. And our aircraft are famous all over the world for their super-maneuverability! Unlike the vaunted F-22, F-35.
  2. atamankko
    atamankko 24 March 2015 18: 40
    0
    Hope and wait.
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 24 March 2015 18: 49
      +17
      Custom and not very smart article. Finely somehow.
      All countries have problems, Russia is no exception.
      But even in this article, there is a hidden respect for aviation in the Soviet Union and for new developments in Russia. Otherwise, why should the author denigrate all this? And yet - the American methods of information war will continue to grow old, which in this article in bulk, and not our aviation.
      1. Karabanov
        Karabanov 24 March 2015 21: 00
        0
        Quote: Reserve officer
        Custom and not very smart article. Finely somehow.
        All countries have problems, Russia is no exception.

        That's all you have stuffed, then order ...
        There are problems, and this is a fact. But here is how they will be solved, the question is interesting.

        Quote: Reserve officer
        But even in this article, there is a hidden respect for aviation in the Soviet Union and for new developments in Russia. Otherwise, why should the author denigrate all this?

        On one respect, the enemies will not go far (although in this case you will fly away).
        And I did not notice that the author denigrated something. Actual analysis, albeit amerskoy analyst.

        Quote: Reserve officer
        American methods of information war will continue to grow old, which in this article in bulk, and not our aviation.

        Your words, to God’s ears.
    2. INFOLegioner
      INFOLegioner 24 March 2015 19: 07
      +1
      yeah ... hope and wait (and the war is already in front). what and whom to wait for? when the Americans and the Chinese will ALREADY soon be doing the 6th generation, and SU will try to fix 4 +++?
      1. INFOLegioner
        INFOLegioner 24 March 2015 19: 20
        0
        However, here we must seriously make a reservation that the excessive "arms race" also does not bring anything good for the economy, and perhaps for this it was conceived by the "Western partners". But this does not mean that it is unnecessary to develop advanced technologies in aviation and science in general. hi
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 24 March 2015 19: 33
        +11
        Quote: INFOLegioner
        when the Americans and the Chinese will ALREADY soon be doing the 6 generation, and will SU try to establish 4 +++?

        Do you know what the 6th generation is like? The US is working on its sixth generation fighter program, "NextGenerationTacticalAircraft (NextGen TACAIR)". What does she represent? The program aims to modernization fifth generation aircraftalready in the possession of the US Air Force, such as the F-35 and F-22. In the direction of work, such promising characteristics as situational "awareness" and the integration of the "man-weapon" complex are outlined. A new aircraft model is not expected until 2030.
        Quote: INFOLegioner
        (and the war is already in front)
        winked It's good that it's not behind ... When the "front" starts - hang down, otherwise I suddenly miss such an event ...
      3. GSH-18
        GSH-18 25 March 2015 14: 02
        0
        Quote: INFOLegioner
        Americans and Chinese will ALREADY soon be doing the 6th generation, and SU will try to fix 4 +++?

        These guys have their own "reckoning" of aviation generations. Especially among the Chinese lol
        Do not forget about it! We are not chasing the next order in numbers, but for efficiency! Behind which is the security of the Russian state and its people yes We carefully read the performance characteristics. And we are not looking at the numbers of "air-heating".
  3. Vend
    Vend 24 March 2015 18: 42
    +16
    Russian military aviation is a formidable force. It ranks second in the world in the number of combat aircraft, of 2500 machines more than 70 percent are serviceable. In contrast to the Russian Navy, which significantly reduced coastal defense forces

    We have very old weapons, almost breathing laughing Especially coastal defense. For mattress-makers wishing to land on the shores of Russia, the Bereg artillery complex will be a big surprise. Figs you will find him until he shoots. The landing barges are split in half.
  4. KOH
    KOH 24 March 2015 18: 44
    +3
    Do not wait !!!
  5. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 24 March 2015 18: 45
    +3
    nonsense this article.
    1. smith7
      smith7 24 March 2015 19: 00
      +7
      Are you talking about nonsense why did you decide? Is the style not to your liking or is the author's last name not harmonious? Or maybe there are irrefutable facts? To say so, you need to know a lot of state and military secrets! You have already left, wait! lol Some of the problems raised in some extent probably exist, only they will not tell you exactly. And this article is also replete with unfounded allegations and conclusions from scratch. But not all nonsense for sure.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 24 March 2015 19: 28
        +7
        The fact that the US Air Force (NATO) is quantitatively superior to the Russian Air Force is unambiguous. But here is the quality and features. F-22 and F-35 are being built (were) in response to the Su-27 and MiG-29, because their fighters could not resist them. Especially at short range, in maneuverability. But even now I wouldn’t put melee on F-22 and 35. This is the first.
        And the second thing. The quantity lag is offset by air defense systems. From Needle to S-400 (500). Especially their number. What will not "remove" the air defense, the aviation will finish it off, or vice versa.
        I also agree that these 20 years have had a negative impact on the army and the air force in particular. But the latest facts: T-50, serial. production of Su-30SM, Su-34, Su-35, Il-476, Yak-130, Ka-52, Mi-28; MiG-29K, reanimation of PAK DA, production facilities, etc. All this already speaks of a systemic approach, and not about patching "holes" in aviation. hi
        1. URAL72
          URAL72 24 March 2015 20: 12
          +2
          "But even now I would not put on the F-22 and 35 in close combat."

          And what about the MiG-31? The F-22 was not designed for close combat, otherwise stealth technology would not be needed. The F-35 has a higher visibility, because it is just for close combat and work on the ground. But the 35th is so stuffed with sensors that the pilot "sees through the floor." The image is displayed on the helmet visor. The Su-35 cannot do that - its sensors are only for warning of an attack, which is also not bad. I hope the T-50 is no worse than the F-35 in this respect, otherwise close combat with amerikos will not be very easy ... In aerial combat, not only maneuverability is needed, but also visibility, but with all-aspect missiles we have order.
      2. tol100v
        tol100v 24 March 2015 21: 00
        +1
        Quote: smith7
        But not all nonsense for sure.

        It has long been noticed that a lie would look Truth, a little half-truth must be added to a lie! Doubts arise, and on their basis and disbelief in Truth! And here there is a system failure in the camp of enemies! True ALWAYS for the RUSSIAN PEOPLE!
      3. UREC
        UREC 24 March 2015 21: 49
        +3
        Answer dear, why does the US Air Force command prohibit holding any demonstration fights with our withering birds at any exhibitions and air shows? There was such a "fight" a long time ago, years ago - SS 27 against F 15. I passed 200 miles from the US coast so that not one reporter would take pictures. The result is a ban on holding such events in public. Otherwise, the US military-industrial complex will be left without orders. I will repeat many, the US army is an anabolic and bloated monster that has not met a really powerful enemy.
  6. Deadmen
    Deadmen 24 March 2015 18: 47
    +3
    getting old or not .. the main thing is that he can fulfill any assigned task.
  7. Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 24 March 2015 18: 49
    +4
    They forgot, or did not know the saying that "The road will be mastered by the one walking." Or "Any path starts from the first step." I'll add it myself. that the first one is the most difficult ... hi
  8. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 24 March 2015 18: 49
    +2
    Well, everything is clear - that everything is fine yes
  9. Horst78
    Horst78 24 March 2015 18: 49
    +9
    What about NATO aviation? In what years were American planes created? After the collapse of the USSR, Eurofighters were delivered to the German Air Force, and how many can now fly up to the sky according to their head of the Ministry of Defense?
    1. UREC
      UREC 24 March 2015 21: 58
      +2
      European aviation for a week of raids on dead Libya (which does not have normal air defense, as a result of which they worked as a training ground, because the United States tomahawks gouged the ancient complexes of the poor.) Spent the whole !!! ammunition of missiles and bombs!
      And what follows from this?
  10. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 24 March 2015 18: 50
    +5
    An optimist however ...
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 24 March 2015 19: 44
      +4
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      An optimist however ...

      laughing Igor, who are you talking about? Hello, drinks !
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 March 2015 20: 07
        +3
        Hello Vit! hi About the author of course! He gave us the second place in aviation. With the same success, you can give Ukraine the second place in Europe in terms of the number of armored vehicles. There is a technique, but what kind? And in what condition? Lizuns from the West have been straining recently.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 24 March 2015 20: 59
          +4
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Lizuns from the West have been straining recently.

          laughing , Well, yes - be afraid of Danai bringing gifts ... yes
        2. UREC
          UREC 24 March 2015 22: 00
          +1
          Pedro Kievsky declared the army the 5th ruins in power on the continent. Seriously !
  11. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 24 March 2015 18: 54
    +5
    Getting in the face a withering bunch with reinforcement in the form of PACFA will be very unpleasant for someone.
  12. uhu189
    uhu189 24 March 2015 18: 54
    +14
    I remember in my time, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called the Tu-95MS old rusting buckets, but only a few years have passed, and NATO began to protest against the approach of the “buckets” to the airspace of the alliance members and raise fighters to intercept. Of course, much of what is described in the article takes place, but 2400 F-35s for the US Air Force are also somehow a little surprising (especially against the background of 187 F-22s produced in much more fat years). In general, wait and see.
  13. science fiction writer
    science fiction writer 24 March 2015 18: 55
    +4
    Another wiseacre NATO insolvency decided to disguise.
    1. Tektor
      Tektor 25 March 2015 18: 46
      +1
      Exactly. Just yesterday I read a message that small-caliber bombs could not be integrated into the Fu-35 software before ... 2022! And then what can he do if the assault appointment is considered his main specialization?
      1. clidon
        clidon 25 March 2015 22: 08
        0
        You are confusing something - F-35 them (SDB) are used even on the not very advanced version of Block-2B.
        And besides SDBs for the shock version, there are other weapons.
  14. MolGro
    MolGro 24 March 2015 18: 58
    +17
    The B-52 was developed in the 50s to the requirements of the Cold War, it still remains the main aircraft of long-range bomber aircraft of the US Air Force and will remain so at least until 2040.
    And the most interesting Years of production 1952 - 1962!))
    2040-1962 = 78 years old, he will be in the service almost new as yesterday)!
    Serial production of the Tu-95MS was completed in 1992 !!
    Well, the rest is just as good!
    5th generation super duper airplanes fear even pilots who fly them!
    Further statistics!
    Average age (as of 2013)

    Fighters
    F-22А 85 (141) 9,1% 5-6 года
    Су-35С 18 (18) 2,4% 0,5 лет
    F-15C 55 (157) 5.9% 28 лет
    Су-27СМ 307 (406) 41,6% 3-4 года
    F-15D 13 (28) 1,4% 28 лет
    МиГ-29СМТ 255 (555) 34,6% 12-13 лет
    F-16C 318 (619) 34% 21 лет
    МиГ-31БМ 158 (358) 21,4% 13-15 лет
    F-16D 6 (117) 0,6% 21 лет
    F / A-18 (all mod.) 457 (753) 48,9% 12-14 years
    F-35 (all mod.) N / a (71) n / a 0,5-1 year
    Total US 934 (1886) ~ 17.1 years
    Total RF 738 (1337) ~ 10.2 years

    Stormtroopers
    A-10A 38 (65) 34,5% 28 лет
    A-10C 72 (129) 65,5% 6-7 лет
    Су-25СМ 200 (300) 100% 10-11 лет
    Total US 110 (194) ~ 13,4 years
    Total RF 200 (300) ~ 10-11 years

    Strike aircraft
    F-15E 138 (223) 100% 20 лет
    Су-24М 124 (300) 81% 29-30 лет
    F-111 / FB-111 0 (84) 0% Over 40 years
    Су-34 29 (29) 19% 0,5-1 год
    Total US 138 (307) ~ 20 years
    Total RF 153 (329) ~ 24,4 years


    Note, unlike the United States, the USSR fell apart. But you look at the statistics and there is a feeling that there was also a restructuring in the USA!
    1. Horst78
      Horst78 24 March 2015 19: 10
      +2
      Quote: MolGro
      F-111 / FB-111 0 (84) 0% Over 40 years

      F-111 removed from service. Few Australians have left. what Something like this smile
      1. MolGro
        MolGro 24 March 2015 19: 12
        +1
        0% Over
        it says that there isn’t)

        Apparently the author wanted to show if somewhere a couple of pieces left their age!
        1. Horst78
          Horst78 24 March 2015 19: 17
          +2
          Quote: MolGro
          MolGro (1) SU Today, 19: 12 ↑ New

          0% Over
          it says that there isn’t)

          Apparently the author wanted to show if somewhere a couple of pieces left their age!

          Sorry, my jamb hi
          1. MolGro
            MolGro 24 March 2015 19: 22
            +9
            Sometimes I sin)
            But still, the statistics are interesting!
            There are interesting facts about China and their strength!

            In the first 48 hours of the Northern Sword 2013 exercises, all 40 tanks of his battalion failed one after another. According to the press service of the People's Liberation Army of China (PLA), only 15 cars were repaired on the spot. Although the battalion participated only in imitating a combat situation, Hou Mingjun lost almost all his equipment in the exercises. For a commander with 32 years of experience, it was a painful blow.

            Here it is quality and floated!
    2. tomket
      tomket 24 March 2015 19: 32
      +6
      And where did you find the 255 MiG-29 SMT? I was in suspended animation, but then managed to configure ????
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 24 March 2015 20: 58
        +2
        Quote: tomket
        And where did you find the 255 MiG-29 SMT?



        Last year, a contract was signed for the supply of the Russian Air Force 16 multi-role fighters MiG-29SMT
        And this figure is probably the total number of MIG-29 of all modifications. 254 MiG-29 (of which 28 Mig-29SMT and 6 MiG-29UBT), as of 2013.
        1. clidon
          clidon 27 March 2015 16: 35
          0
          They are usually a couple of times smaller.
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 24 March 2015 20: 49
      +1
      Quote: MolGro
      there is a feeling that there was also a restructuring in the USA!


      It was not but is just beginning, before that they had "stagnation" for 20 years according to the terminology of the liberals winked
    4. glasha3032
      glasha3032 25 March 2015 00: 52
      -2
      Interesting statistics in the Russian Federation for 20 years! (1992-2012) planes were not collected, and the average age is 10 years ...
    5. silver_roman
      silver_roman 25 March 2015 16: 34
      +1
      Quote: MolGro
      МиГ-31БМ 158 (358) 21,4% 13-15 лет

      Where did so many modernized 31s come from?
      Quote: MolGro
      МиГ-29СМТ 255 (555) 34,6% 12-13 лет

      same question.

      I am a huge fan of the aviation of the Russian Federation, but you are not providing reliable data. One must be objective, no matter what.
      Hooray, the number of aircraft will not increase. You take the total number of the same MiG-31s ​​and build them into the BM modification. Do you know how much work needs to be done to improve at least one aircraft?
  15. prishelec
    prishelec 24 March 2015 19: 00
    0
    What nonsense ... lol
  16. Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 24 March 2015 19: 01
    +4
    Harness slowly - drive fast.
    Not so long ago, Russia did not make more than one aircraft a year, and now we produce under two hundred.
    Import substitution, increase, improve - the time has come and no one will stop.
  17. solikamets
    solikamets 24 March 2015 19: 03
    +5
    First, the American armada will have to face our air defense ... Well, those who survive will finish off our "few" air forces
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 24 March 2015 19: 21
      +2
      In in. Even the mattress recognizes the power of our air defense forces.
  18. Amorales
    Amorales 24 March 2015 19: 04
    +7
    Bitter, but true. We need time.
  19. mole
    mole 24 March 2015 19: 05
    +3
    Quote: Siberia 9444
    Well, everything is clear - that everything is fine yes

    +1000
    Something tells me that there are many people in the world who disagree with the author Robert Beckhusen about Our "faded" aviation! Donald Cook probably still smells like this! drinks
    1. grek1602
      grek1602 24 March 2015 19: 34
      +2
      yes one airplane, and from it a whole _parahed_ of stupid cool Americans. crying
    2. grek1602
      grek1602 24 March 2015 19: 34
      0
      yes one airplane, and from it a whole _parahed_ of stupid cool Americans. crying
  20. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 24 March 2015 19: 06
    +3
    Russian military aviation is a powerful but fading force

    that is why the sailors of the US Navy were liquid when this "fading" force flew over their ship
  21. parafoiler
    parafoiler 24 March 2015 19: 06
    +1
    No one knows about our Air Force better than a likely adversary. :)
  22. lexx2038
    lexx2038 24 March 2015 19: 10
    +4
    You need to shake a couple or a dozen governors, then not only air, but also the submarine fleet is enough. We must build, otherwise we may not be in time. The 4 ++ plane, to protect its territory, will cope with all 100, but we are not going to attack anyone. So if there is some kind of plug with the T-50, you need to build a proven Su-27, Su-30 and Su-35, Su-34. In many respects, the Americans have not been able to catch up with our veterans.
  23. DimYang
    DimYang 24 March 2015 19: 12
    0
    Another amersky cyber "warrior". Looks like their education is very tight. Teach them fiction about the ** the most exceptional **. In my opinion, most people like this ** thinker ** have no brains.
  24. sims2000
    sims2000 24 March 2015 19: 13
    0
    It's hard to say something ... In some ways, they are right. Although there is a strong emphasis on Ukraine and about engines that are not reliable (although they are not yet !!! They are only at the stands !, and the old AL-41 (In theory, the old ... This is another modernization of the AL-31) I'm sorry! 30 is AL-31 and what they complained about before!
  25. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 24 March 2015 19: 13
    +7
    Quote: solikamets
    First, the American armada will have to face our air defense ... Well, those who survive will finish off our "few" air forces


    It is true, the motto of air defense says: We don’t fly, and we don’t give others !! With an unquestioning military doctrine, it is not necessary to have an armada of aircraft, less is better, but better !!! hi
  26. kmike
    kmike 24 March 2015 19: 14
    +2
    Robert obviously got the shores. It’s fading in Russia, and right on the rise in the USA. I can’t write any further, I’ll go to hide. Where they take these specialists, we in Russia don’t understand this. wassat
    1. good fair
      good fair 24 March 2015 19: 45
      0
      Quote: kmike
      I can’t write further, I’ll go hide.

      Let's be afraid together, I also buried under a bunk, only a tooth clang gives out. belay
  27. Naval
    Naval 24 March 2015 19: 14
    +1
    Everything is old, not effective, but it looks like NATO, as one tele-hero used to say: "What am I doing?"
  28. indiggo
    indiggo 24 March 2015 19: 19
    +1
    read to this line
    Modern powerful fighters come into service, however, in small quantities.
    after that I didn’t read ... because in 14g we overtook the United States in terms of the construction of fighter jets ...
    further about the reduction of the Air Force, at the moment, all significant players on the world stage are reducing their Air Force. (except for China)
    the same US plans to cut its air force by almost 2 .. the reason is modern technology. fighters have become universal
  29. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 24 March 2015 19: 25
    +1
    All the advantages in the air are leveled not only by aviation, but by an integrated air defense system.
  30. lance
    lance 24 March 2015 19: 28
    +2
    Su30mks more than repay the f-35, and it will be enough until 2022. t-50gospodin air kingdom to2050g. Get out of here. And with fya-22i fya-35 cope and su 34 see their characteristics and everything is clear until 2025
    1. indiggo
      indiggo 24 March 2015 19: 32
      +1
      Yes, su 30 is good, by the way, they can then be transferred to the Navy ... it will result in unification by the combat arms.
      Air Force su 35, Navy su 30. A very useful thing in terms of operation ...
  31. kelevra
    kelevra 24 March 2015 19: 28
    +2
    How they want this written nonsense to be true, but to hell with you!
  32. gelezo47
    gelezo47 24 March 2015 19: 30
    +3
    The mattress toppers calm themselves down. It's clear that we have problems. And who doesn't have them !? Their F-35s are "raw", how many accidents were there. And in addition, they are very expensive. Their bravado is not necessary. a way out of this unpleasant situation. As they said in Soviet times, we will catch up and overtake! ...
  33. Thompson
    Thompson 24 March 2015 19: 32
    +5
    And what did the article go about? Damn, how many urapatriots here! Tin! Criticism and competition are the driving force! Once voiced, and not in a bad sense, but ascertained a fact, it means they know and hope that they will take action.
    By the way, here are the first swallows in the topic of the article, they will not buy T-50, a maximum of 12 pieces! Didn’t the author warn about this with bitterness?
    We hope that the sanctions (and they are guilty of this!) Will spur our thieves in the government to either run or work!
    We look forward to concrete actions in this direction from the GDP! It's time to raise your industry from nails to rockets and from microelectronics to maxiprojects!
  34. red_october
    red_october 24 March 2015 19: 34
    +1
    With rare exceptions, the air fleet was created during the Cold War and is gradually becoming obsolete. Modern powerful fighters come into service, however, in small quantities. In the long run, further reductions in the Russian Air Force are expected.

    This is a big question, what is "obsolete" for whom. Not only are the (albeit Soviet) fighters being modernized, but the new models of the machine, produced in recent years, represent a qualitatively new level. Unlike the F-35, which is a financial and technical disappointment ... It's not for nothing that they hide it from training battles with Ross fighters. pr-va.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 24 March 2015 20: 13
      0
      Quote: red_october
      With rare exceptions, the air fleet was created during the Cold War and is gradually becoming obsolete. Modern powerful fighters come into service, however, in small quantities. In the long run, further reductions in the Russian Air Force are expected.

      This is a big question, what is "obsolete" for whom. Not only are the (albeit Soviet) fighters being modernized, but the new models of the machine, produced in recent years, represent a qualitatively new level. Unlike the F-35, which is a financial and technical disappointment ... It's not for nothing that they hide it from training battles with Ross fighters. pr-va.

      Indeed, it is not in vain that they "hide", it is impossible to scare away the buyers of this "wunderwafe" ahead of time, otherwise they will not even buy it from under the stick ... But how, excuse me, to beat off the money spent? ...
  35. SPB 1221
    SPB 1221 24 March 2015 19: 35
    +1
    Gentlemen Americans, everything is bad with us. Aviation is fading, the fleet is poor, the armed forces are weak. Well then come and screw the weak Russia! No you can not? And you can’t because the gimmick hasn’t grown yet, and the point on your American asshole has been reduced to a minimum size from fear! Therefore, grow a gimmick, solve the problem with an ass and then we are waiting for you to visit, but for now do not yap!
  36. Tribuns
    Tribuns 24 March 2015 19: 35
    +3
    If you carefully think about the message, then we can conclude that the systematic Robertom difficulties of the Russian defense industry in the aircraft industry are caused by the unlimited management of a market, liberal economy in Russia ... and indirectly, Robert tells Vladimir Putin the need for a transition to an industrial-mobilization economy ...
    And with this conclusion is unconditionally agreed!
    Of course, many Russians don’t like that liberals dominate everyone in Russia, that for more than two decades the liberal economy has reigned, making us a raw materials appendage of the industrial West ... Russians don’t like that their life is determined by the Constitution written by the Americans after the collapse of the USSR for a future colony of the West ... More recently, Medvedev said that “we will remain faithful to a market economy and will never accept the Stalinist version of the economy”, in which a powerful industry was created almost from scratch, allowing us to defeat the Hitler war machine for which we worked the whole industry of Europe ... Why should we, together with Medvedev, unsuccessfully seek ways to improve our industry within more than two decades of our liberal economytailored by western patterns by Egorushka Gaidar, Chubais and their associates?
    1. Deniz
      Deniz 25 March 2015 00: 57
      +1
      And we had no other economy. When the USSR collapsed, we had nothing to offer the world except oil and gas. And it is not so easy to do something of your own, when it is already done for us, it has quality and quantity. That's what sanctions should turn us in the right direction.
  37. Navy7981
    Navy7981 24 March 2015 19: 36
    +2
    How they want to believe in it! It feels like they are repeating the mantra, hoping that everything will be so! The Germans sang the same Russia, the USSR - an ear of clay feet !!! And where are those Germans? An example, of course, is from the past and now much is different, but I think the result will be the same !!!
  38. Val_y
    Val_y 24 March 2015 19: 36
    +3
    “The engine of the aircraft turned out to be unreliable, the radar was not accurate enough, the anti-radar characteristics were poorly developed” heheh and it’s on the T-50, however, the su-30mki (Indian) without support for Avax for 2 consecutive exercises carried all the mattress air force into the trash with all the support, however like the paddling boat in the exercises, too, all the AUG of the mattresses blew into the trash laughing laughing So ... "if the enemies praise you, think about it, if they scold you, rejoice (Sun-Zy) wink
  39. _my opinion
    _my opinion 24 March 2015 19: 46
    +1
    What, the author of the F-35? Oh well ...
    However, the United States plans to create 2400 F-35s in the next two decades, and has already begun supplying them.

    Well, Napoleonic plans, but realities can cut these plans many times.
    Here and there, all sorts of crap come out of the F-35.
  40. 1536
    1536 24 March 2015 19: 50
    +1
    Nonetheless, combat power is also determined by the skill of the pilots and the tactical and strategic tasks that are set before them by the command and political leadership of the country. As far as one can judge, young people are coming to aviation now, which means that not everything is so bad. Ukrainians, of course, put a knife in the back, but aviation science, design bureaus remained with us. The main thing is not to be taken by surprise at the airfields. And the aviation industry did not fall apart.
  41. red_october
    red_october 24 March 2015 19: 50
    +2
    Among these problems can be called a serious lag in Russian industry in the field of microelectronics. These elements are not as widely known as aircraft hulls or missiles, which Russia does very well, but are critical for modern fighters.

    If we are so bad with microelectronics, why can the Patriot be scrapped, while the S-300 and S-400 systems are space? Such opportunities the Yankees never dreamed of. And when the S-500 comes out, the Yankees can even move to live in caves with their Patriot.

    The same MIG-31 when shown at the beginning of the 90, in my opinion in France at the exhibition, drove the west with its radar into a stupor. And the possibilities of electronics F-35, F-22 we still know only in words.

    Question: how do Western experts (not all, I think the French and Germans are an order of magnitude better than the Yankees) collect mediocre products from the best elemental base? And how do our electronic engineers collect the best radars from the obviously worse elemental base (probably not always, but often)?

    The problem is that now, unlike the USSR, our intelligence is not so developed, there is no single goal-setting system (I apologize to the experts if I express myself clumsily, but the idea, I think, is clear) for our armed forces. Therefore, the use of our technology on entire theater of operations, albeit with the best radars on specific aircraft (and ships), depends entirely on the case and skill of specific pilots, captains. I mean that the use of such our monsters as the cruiser "Moskva", "Peter the Great", fighters "Kuznetsov" far from our shores can be very, very difficult. Now it protects our construction of the canal in Nicaragua from an accidental color revolution, and what kind of the picture is received from the radar of the ships? I think the Yankees have more and more debugged there.
    The Americans have not had the collapse of the country since 1991, so even the miscalculations of specific combat units are leveled at the expense of the remaining links of this "artificial intelligence" and others will hedge the gaping fighter. Since there is accurate information where, when and with whom
  42. RUSIVAN
    RUSIVAN 24 March 2015 19: 52
    0
    It's okay, ours will be tightened up. At the beginning of 1941 we had practically nothing that could withstand the German Luftwaffe and nothing, quickly gathered and gave a decent answer so that the Power of Russia is in the minds of the people of Russia ...
  43. Karabas
    Karabas 24 March 2015 19: 53
    +1
    The main message of the article is that without ho ... s, everything will be very sad. Yes, in Ukraine during the Soviet era, the production of basic components in aircraft construction was established, but how much water has flowed under the bridge since then! All the components that they supplied to us are yesterday, and they are no longer able to offer us anything new. Yes, we have problems with helicopter engines, but as the saying goes: "If there were no happiness, so misfortune helped," now we will produce our own, and certainly no worse than Ukrainian ones. Each new product has its own problems until everything is settled, and even more so for such a formidable toy as the T-50. After all, everyone knows, and this is not hiding from anyone, that the T-50 still does not have an engine, it is still in development, and all the electronics must be brought to mind, for us this is not a discovery. Everything can be overcome, there would be a desire, and the article is designed for domestic consumption.
  44. lovimoment
    lovimoment 24 March 2015 20: 14
    0
    the main point of such articles is to sow panic and to plant doubts in the minds, and this expression is doubt the path to truth from the same series. but in Russia everything is a little different. in our subcortex many people have the truth, or rather, the truth is Russian, and we NEVER doubt, we need to work, so that our children would live better than we
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  46. maxxdesign
    maxxdesign 24 March 2015 20: 20
    0
    Despite such stuffing, our "birds" are one of the best! and they are afraid! clear sky for our aces! and good health!
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 25 March 2015 01: 01
      0
      Quote: maxxdesign
      Despite such stuffing, our "birds" are one of the best! and they are afraid! clear sky for our aces! and good health!

      the content of this article can be answered with such a phrase-LET'S SEEING angry
  47. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 24 March 2015 20: 20
    0
    Well, I’ll tell the American gentlemen that Moscow wasn’t built right away, it’s being updated, flight crews stably carry out flights, so without panic, the era of stagnation of the 90s has passed, everything will be, but not immediately)
  48. Thompson
    Thompson 24 March 2015 20: 22
    0
    Quote: Val_Y
    “The engine of the aircraft turned out to be unreliable, the radar was not accurate enough, the anti-radar characteristics were poorly developed” heheh and it’s on the T-50, however, the su-30mki (Indian) without support for Avax for 2 consecutive exercises carried all the mattress air force into the trash with all the support, however like the paddling boat in the exercises, too, all the AUG of the mattresses blew into the trash laughing laughing So ... "if the enemies praise you, think about it, if they scold you, rejoice (Sun-Zy) wink

    Also laughed heartily! They are poor, tired of testing it!
  49. bbss
    bbss 24 March 2015 20: 26
    0
    A bunch of incorrect comparisons. I am glad that the "analysts" are worthless.
  50. Thompson
    Thompson 24 March 2015 20: 30
    +2
    Quote: TribunS
    If you carefully think about the message, then we can conclude that the systematic Robertom difficulties of the Russian defense industry in the aircraft industry are caused by the unlimited management of a market, liberal economy in Russia ... and indirectly, Robert tells Vladimir Putin the need for a transition to an industrial-mobilization economy ...
    And with this conclusion is unconditionally agreed!
    Of course, that many Russians do not like that liberals rule everything in Russia, that for more than two decades the liberal economy has reigned in us, making us a raw materials appendage of the industrial West ... Why should we, together with Medvedev, unsuccessfully seek ways to improve our industry within more than two decades of our liberal economytailored by western patterns by Egorushka Gaidar, Chubais and their associates?

    To paraphrase, Medvedev simply insures his ass, instead of really changing something and is CARDINALLY!