Leonid Ivashov: "The army will be adapted to suppress internal protest"

Leonid Ivashov: "The army will be adapted to suppress internal protest"

On Monday, Chief of the General Staff Nikolai Makarov made a lot of surprising statements. One of them concerned the intention to increase the number of snipers, whose role in the army today is increasing, especially when fighting in cities. What enemies does the army intend to fight in Russian cities? The interviewee.ru discussed this with General Leonid Ivashov, President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems.


- Makarov said that he does not exclude unrest in Russia according to the “Arab scenario”. And that the army should be ready for the worst possible development of the political situation in the country. Is it to suppress riots included in the tasks of the army?

- Of course not. Military experts have repeatedly noted that in the development of the Russian armed forces there is complete degradation, they are less and less able to solve the tasks urgent for the defense of a large country. Look, the scattered material and technical remains of the army and fleet lined up so that they can be docked to NATO structures. Confirmation of this is the transition to an organizational structure close to the structure of NATO forces, the purchase of military equipment of NATO countries, the introduction of standards for command and control adopted in the North Atlantic Alliance, etc.

On the other hand, there is a reversal of the Russian Armed Forces to suppress domestic political protest.

And that is why the so-called Chief of the General Staff has repeatedly discredited the Russian Armed Forces and the domestic military equipment.

He says: we do not need Tanks, but we need sniper units ...

- Does one exclude the other?

- Of course not. But there are no large sniper units in any army in the world. These are special elite soldiers. Snipers - not for mass use in battle. They are needed to defeat the most important goals. And they may well cause a great indignation of the people, if someone needs it ...

I think the statements by Makarov sounded quite by chance against the background of the recent unrest in North Africa. I was in Syria in July, I saw several shots (there were foreign special forces' snipers) who suddenly hit a woman, a child or an old man ... And the crowd began to boil again. And the police went there without weapons.

And in 1993, in October, at our White House, when Alpha and Vympel special forces units refused to take part in the assault, an unknown sniper killed an Alpha officer. And - the assault, as you remember, began ...
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  1. PSih2097 27 September 2011 11: 23 New
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    the Russian Armed Forces are turning to suppress domestic political protest.

    As far as I remember, the Army should protect the country from an external enemy, and everyone else (the Ministry of Internal Affairs, VV, FSB, FSIN) from the internal ... and I don’t think that the army will go against the people, they don’t have the functions ...
    1. Bogatir
      Bogatir 28 September 2011 09: 09 New
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      Quote: PSih2097
      The army must protect the country from an external enemy

      - And internal threats to the authorities.
    2. oper66
      oper66 28 September 2011 10: 32 New
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      this distinguished general is trying to contrast the army and law enforcement agencies with the fascinating denial of power structures among the population as structures ready to destroy their people for the sake of a handful of rulers, not equating but considering them mercenaries, why he does it, what is his purpose, to grow enmity between the civilian population countries and state power structures. with all this, we must know and remember everywhere the same citizens of Russia serve who are not indifferent to what is happening in their country and among them there will also be a separation in the event of a revolutionary situation according to political sympathies and the adoption of one side or another as among the civilian population
  2. Banshee 27 September 2011 11: 49 New
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    Malt and I discussed it a week ago in another topic. Everything turned out in our way.
    It turns out cool: in which case, our children and grandchildren will shoot at us. Legally. It will be their duty to their homeland.

    Applause.

    Forgive me, Mr. Makarov (I don’t get a hand to call a friend), I don’t know who put this into your head, but this country is a little different. The army of Russia will not fight with the people of Russia. I would not be surprised if mass races, evasions and so on begin again. With such a prospect.

    I want to say: Makarov, do not get into the head, take in the mouth. Silently for a smart one, and you will be busy with your business (for once). Accordingly abilities.
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 27 September 2011 12: 02 New
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      The army will not fight with the people, therefore it is being reduced, given explosives, lured with money and apartments (on the seabed). Modern storage bases are convenient for protection from the people, and not for war. And all the bad will be divided into private operations - the content of the equipment, coordinates, fire.
      1. PSih2097 27 September 2011 15: 55 New
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        if the cc already has tanks with aviation + there is still such a fun office as the Ministry of Emergencies, in which warheads are also present ...
      2. PSih2097 27 September 2011 16: 00 New
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        if the cc already has tanks with aviation + there is still such a fun office as the Ministry of Emergencies, in which warheads are also present ...
        1. aldashckin2012
          aldashckin2012 28 September 2011 00: 30 New
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          THIS ARMY IS ALREADY WARS WITH ITS PEOPLE BY "BUILDING" VOTING
    2. lexalex
      lexalex 27 September 2011 20: 27 New
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      What naivety ... It really touches! THE ARMY OF RUSSIA WILL NOT BE !!!!!! It will be, darling. Elite units (without quotes) will be created from the proud peoples of the Caucasus, and this Russian army will slap you, my fish, and I, and others, into a wise optimistic forehead. Having already served in the RUSSIAN ARMY, they are already doing this ... And what they do with our guys during the service is not visible to you through your pink glasses. Do you believe our authorities ... That says it all about you ...
  3. merkawa
    merkawa 27 September 2011 12: 14 New
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    But Ivashov himself, what did he do when he was the commander? Didn’t they begin to bring down the army with him or something? They tattered the equipment, reduced the number of people and now, sitting on the sidelines, you can also think about it. but Ivashov graduated from the academy. fellow
    1. asavchenko59
      asavchenko59 28 September 2011 10: 09 New
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      You are right for all 100.
      All these retired generals suddenly began to see !?
      They themselves destroyed the army. Who prevented the arrest of all this scum?
      An oath was taken.
      1. aldashckin2012
        aldashckin2012 15 December 2012 23: 47 New
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        they swore allegiance to the Soviet Union and sold themselves to drunks Yeltsin. therefore they are called jackals
  4. Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 27 September 2011 12: 22 New
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    In cities, fighting with European battle groups and Chinese paratroopers; in cities, you can fight a lot with anyone.
  5. EVIL 27 September 2011 12: 50 New
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    The experience of the Second World War showed the high importance of snipers and individual sniper units.

    I can say for sure that I read the memoirs of German soldiers and several times came across a description of certain units of Soviet snipers.
    I ask you to pay attention to the entire unit consisted only of snipers, specially equipped and trained.

    The appearance of such a unit on the front sector very quickly led to the demoralization of personnel, a significant decrease in activity and a decline in morale. (I try to reproduce from memory what I read)

    I myself am a sailor, I think our colleagues from the ground forces will be able to say much more about the modern features of the battle and its modern tactics.

    Again, I read that without sniper support there was not a single clash in Iraq and the current Libyan company.

    In my opinion, hysteria is not justified, an increase in the need for snipers, there is a logical requirement for a modern battle style.

    Again, I remind you, I'm a sailor! )
    I would very much like to hear the guys of the hunters.
    1. Uhalus 27 September 2011 18: 13 New
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      Yes, no one is against snipers! Without them, there’s no way anywhere! The forum users (and not only them) are against the use of the army against our civilians - for provocations, for suppressing speeches - all this shame and crime. And for all this, not only snipers are used.
      I don’t remember where it came from: "I am a soldier and I will not be an executioner." Will all the army say so? And they will do it?
  6. EVIL 27 September 2011 13: 23 New
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    advertising inserted - without consent! am
    I may prefer UAZ ....
  7. танк
    танк 27 September 2011 14: 14 New
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    why should the people rebel? the opposition begins, and people are shot because of a couple of idiots, or in the same Africa, after their wars people will live better? no !!! as in the famous cartoon "diplomacy now decides" Yes and no now real I haven’t noticed any deterioration in the last 11 years of alternatives to the ruling tandem, who could pull a country out of shit by the ears, and under Yeltsin my mother barely made ends meet, now we live well-fed, dressed, put on shoes, a second child will be born I’ll buy a maternity capital in total. And there are a lot of people like me, so why destroy it all in an instant? so that again 10-15 years to go to the same?
    1. Sorry 27 September 2011 17: 11 New
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      TANKU. If you are satisfied that you have a flag in your hands. But for me and other people around me, this is not enough. For 20 years of these ongoing reforms, officials and cops with oligarchs are getting richer. And they could share. And the rebellious people are not to blame, they are pushed to this by the above individuals. Two years ago, the Egyptian version The EP, led by Mubarak, also won a majority of "democratic" elections.
    2. lexalex
      lexalex 27 September 2011 20: 37 New
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      The fact is that those because of whom you lived so poorly under Yeltsin now rule us ... This is a simple way - to take a sausage from a person, to wait until he begins to bend from hunger - to give a piece of cracker. This person, and especially his children, will be grateful to you all his life. The sausage was taken from your parents, and you got a cracker. Do not be offended, there are a lot of such people, but the fact is that I started living earlier than you :) and I remember how they took the sausage ...
      1. solodova 28 September 2011 10: 07 New
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        lexalex, support.
        Many people said that they saw personally the fields littered with sausage at a time when people were starving.
        http://www.an1nik.narod.ru/0409.html
        In general, it is difficult to talk about the deficit clearly. After all, someone is always missing. I asked three 30-year-olds born and living in the same city.
        One: “it was possible to get clothes only from Belarusian relatives. I wore torn shoes, because there was nowhere to buy, school uniforms were rare, they also brought them from Belarus, otherwise they would all go naked ....”
        Two others "There was everything, in the children's world children's forms, all kinds of summer and winter, enough shoes, different products, only for some types of sausages went to Moscow, everything was natural, tasty, in bulk."
        That's what there is to say in one city in one year, someone just went to the store and bought what was needed, and someone ran into a rash and waited for a parcel from Belarus ...
        But who remembers the good, especially does not hold a meeting, and who is bad, almost screaming, hysteria, I don’t want to go in bad shoes again ... Although at that time her family got an apartment on 60 meters .. And now she is waiting until they evict from home, which is not clear on whose balance sheet, but has already been sold several times ...
    3. solodova 28 September 2011 09: 48 New
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      Please note - maternity capital is given for education, housing and retirement. As you know, education was initially free. Dali mat. capital. People scattered housing to improve. Education at this time becomes paid. A project has been prepared that commercializes all educational institutions. (They tried to accept it since the 96 of the year, then the Communist Party was still strong - did not miss it. Now they have prepared it again. After the election they will.) So, returning to the main idea - when your children grow up and you realize that nothing shines for them except for black work , shopping mall education is paid and there is not enough money. They will justifiably declare to you: you received the capital, disposed of it yourself, we owe you nothing more. The same goes for the pension fund. Continue your feast during the plague. Responsible for spinelessness and shortsightedness will have your children. I have at least two of them.
  8. bubla5 27 September 2011 14: 29 New
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    Yes, our generals are mutants, they took the oath several times and you don’t know who they serve
    1. almost demobil 27 September 2011 14: 53 New
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      Soviet officers, and the generals among them, took the oath once. You don’t have to brainwash!
  9. Motherland
    Motherland 27 September 2011 14: 59 New
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    Quote: PSih2097
    As far as I remember, the Army should protect the country from an external enemy, and everyone else (the Ministry of Internal Affairs, VV, FSB, FSIN) from the internal ... and I don’t think that the army will go against the people, they don’t have the functions ...

    Here I agree, but if the opposition is supported by at least one of them, then there is every chance, but it’s much easier to make an internal revolution to remove Putin and his snails and you need to immediately find people who can figure it out and whoever gets it, completely exterminate the oligarchs they are the same officials and at the same time do everything as if without publicity, here you need “knights of a cloak and a dagger” but if you offer someone the wrong door the next day a special forces detachment will fly you in the face with your butt and then no one will find you
  10. svvaulsh
    svvaulsh 27 September 2011 15: 43 New
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    I once considered Pasha to be the most “short-sighted Mercedes,” after his declaration of readiness to take Grozny in 2 hours with a paratrooper regiment. But those "pearls" which are issued by Makarov, do not go to any comparison! In all likelihood, he learned to defeat the enemy not at the General Staff Academy, but at West Point.
  11. Sorry 27 September 2011 16: 31 New
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    Snipers are certainly needed in any army. They have their own tasks and they are in all armies. Regarding the fact that the army can be used against the people, it is quite possible if you prepare accordingly. Today there is no such training. It's like in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB to see criminals and enemies of the people in all members of the society. I think that the officer corps will not do that. Although now this is not the case. Enchanted, tormented by endless reform and powerless. And money is the main thing now, not honor. Ivashov is an intelligent military theorist and he left the General Staff just because of disagreement with Genlinia.
  12. gAMauzer
    gAMauzer 27 September 2011 16: 32 New
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    http://news.yandex.ru/yandsearch?cl4url=www.vesti.ru%2Fdoc.html%3Fid%3D581575

    Those tanks that are (according to rumors) at the metal-cutting factories near Leningrad are probably also part of the "mobilization reserves."
  13. esaul 27 September 2011 16: 51 New
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    Why are you alarmed, guys? Is Ivashov not one of those offended, excommunicated from the trough? I’ve launched a mullet utterly, and you suck it. It is a shame to a person with shoulder straps to throw gossip and horror stories. Let him take off his epaulettes and stomp on a bench near some porch. It’s up to him. Der ... oh
  14. iulai
    iulai 27 September 2011 18: 33 New
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    God punished me, I was born in this fucking Russia and where fucking generals serve. America! capture Russia!
    1. cabin boy
      cabin boy 27 September 2011 20: 05 New
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      Evil MedvePut hold your hands and feet? Do not like it, wali. Only there no one needs you, for you belong to the punished people of God
      1. lexalex
        lexalex 27 September 2011 20: 43 New
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        Do you have a direct line with God? Do you know who and why he punished? As I understand it, this is your opinion, do not ascribe it to God.
    2. Ivan Tarasov 27 September 2011 22: 29 New
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      The USA does not need Russia.
      The United States needs our resources.
      Everyone knows what is happening in Libya.
      The same thing awaits us.
      Do you think you’ll hide?
      Where?
      In the woods?
      In Australia?
      But what about those who have no opportunity to escape anywhere?
      Let them die under vacuum bombs, like children in Libya?

      Si vis pacem, bellum for
    3. zczczc
      zczczc 27 September 2011 23: 50 New
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      Your name is not "iulai", but Judas?
    4. Bogatir
      Bogatir 28 September 2011 09: 12 New
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      And slept the Kremlin-Horde system of power.
    5. solodova 28 September 2011 10: 08 New
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      Or maybe God punished Russia, such as you?
  15. Motherland
    Motherland 27 September 2011 19: 04 New
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    Quote: iulai
    God punished me, I was born in this fucking Russia and where fucking generals serve. America! capture Russia!

    No words, only a fist in the face
  16. cabin boy
    cabin boy 27 September 2011 20: 20 New
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    "... they may well cause great indignation of the peopleif someone needs it ...
    I think that Makarov’s statements were not made by chance against the background of recent unrest in North Africa. In July I was in Syria, I saw how several shots (there were snipers of foreign special forces) suddenly hit a woman, a child or an old man ... And the crowd began to boil again. "
    "... On the other hand, there is a U-turn of the Russian Armed Forces to suppress domestic political protest. "
    It seems that both the general and the president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, and the logic in words is like a child of kindergarten age. Maybe journalists, as always, misinterpreted everything.
    1. lexalex
      lexalex 27 September 2011 20: 52 New
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      I agree completely, do not think that we are smarter than Arabs or Negroes! If they start killing relatives close by .... I don’t think that you’ll begin to analyze who benefits from it, you’ll go to kill those who will be shown and already shown ... Let us recall the history of Russia, how many times we were deceived. We have mobile phones, computers, we are on cool cars (whoever has :)), but we are SAME.
    2. solodova 28 September 2011 09: 28 New
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      The main thing is to have a tool, and how to use it will be decided on occasion. They don’t necessarily shoot at the rallies against the authorities, they can even shoot at the oncoming meeting, so that the wave against the wave or public outcry against the "extremists" - note in quotation marks. The main thing is to push people together.
  17. Motherland
    Motherland 27 September 2011 20: 45 New
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    Quote: Jung
    In July I was in Syria, I saw how several shots (there were snipers of foreign special forces) suddenly hit a woman, a child or an old man ... And the crowd started again

    So during the collapse of the USSR, snipers of the American embassy shot at police officers.
  18. k2v2137975
    k2v2137975 27 September 2011 20: 48 New
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    Guys, listen to the opinion of S.V. Kurginyan about Putin and Medvedev
    Yesterday, 10: 54
    Sergey Kurginyan commented on statements made at the United Russia congress regarding Putin’s nomination for the third term.
    1. aldashckin2012
      aldashckin2012 28 September 2011 01: 01 New
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      In a normal democratic country, a “lawyer” cannot change a “security officer” and “security officer” - a “lawyer”
      1. Bogatir
        Bogatir 28 September 2011 09: 15 New
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        No one talks about normal ones. Putin has 30% of the electorate of idiot idiots, 30% already of the Communists, who vote without a break. It is also not important who votes, it is important how and who considers.
  19. Jarserge 27 September 2011 22: 10 New
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    This note is a typical trolling. Logical inconsistencies, fraud, free interpretation and pulling over the ears of all that can be done in one word pseudo-professional work - vomit
  20. Ivan Tarasov 27 September 2011 22: 10 New
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    It would be better if a promising tank was brought to mind, but the STELS strategic bomber was built.
    In a few years, the United States will fully deploy its missile defense system!
    What, we will break through the defense, what are we going to fight when they hit the Russian Federation?
    SVD?
  21. merkawa
    merkawa 27 September 2011 23: 18 New
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    ,, God punished me, I was born in this fucking Russia and where the fucking generals serve. America! take Russia! Well let him try wink This is not for Americans to fight with Muslims fellow
  22. zczczc
    zczczc 27 September 2011 23: 19 New
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    Today it was shown that riot police in Moscow will transfer to the Tigers, which, as you know, are poorly protected for a real war, but more than sufficient for the civilian population. And, as someone correctly noted, the name Tiger is taken from a German tank that terrified the Russian at the beginning of the war.



    Why the police almost a military vehicle? In the USSR, a policeman was accountable for every shot from a pistol, and often went without weapons at all. And there was order.
    1. sirToad
      sirToad 3 October 2011 18: 11 New
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      Well, a doctor without a weapon - this is only the personnel of sobering-up stations. PPS - were always with weapons. It’s another matter that the pedestrian post until 1991 was single and not doubles, and of the special equipment there was only a whistle
  23. aldashckin2012
    aldashckin2012 28 September 2011 00: 32 New
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    What this rabble is capable of The highest limit of this army is the exercises in Kamchatka
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      Dude is not in the subject (
  24. mind1954
    mind1954 28 September 2011 03: 29 New
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    In 1993, during the storming of the "White House" not a single commando was killed
    but he wasn’t wounded! It was, in the full sense, a theatrical assault.
    And I saw very well how this "special forces" delicately led out and put in
    bus Makashova and Rudsky with things and others.
    But in Vilnius in 1991, during the assault on a television center, he was killed in the back.
    commandos for the purpose of provocation.
    It would be better to talk about how many onlookers were killed by snipers
    on Novoarbatsky bridge and around the "white house". They cringed for pleasure
    to indulge in a spectacle of killing people, but they killed, just them!
    So I didn’t feel sorry for them.
    1. sirToad
      sirToad 3 October 2011 18: 18 New
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      but, interestingly, in 1993, at the end of August, they began to pull up the personnel of the PPS, OMON, and other divisions to Moscow. True, I didn’t go to Moscow then, but to the Caucasus. but nevertheless, at least two platoons left our regiment. and were there until the end of October. That is, the action with the white house was prepared in advance. and also, as people who visited Moscow from our company said, the local authorities were waiting on whose side the force would be. He even prepared several variants of flags - in order to get into the stream, as they say.
  25. solodova 28 September 2011 09: 39 New
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    In the news Tambov slipped information about the rally under the slogan Bulletin or rifle. The rally was called extremist; nothing was said about the slogan. I myself rummaged on the Internet. Judge for yourself where the slogan was pulled out, is it extremism? This is a comment after the rally. "
    “There are two ways to solve the problem of changing the socio-economic course. This is a bulletin and a rifle. The authorities are constantly falsifying the results of the will of the people, thereby pushing the people to another path. That's where extremism is.
    http://www.onlinetambov.ru/sitecontent/blog/kprf/workers-demanded-the-nationaliz
    ation-of-kotovsky-lkz.php? commentId = 34743

    http://www.qwas.ru/russia/kprf/Tambovskaja-oblast-Rabochie-Kotovska-potrebovali-
    nacionalizirovat-Kotovskii-LKZ /

    People, judge for yourself, who are these workers protesting against dismissal? Extremists are terrorists, or simply people who need to feed their children.
    It is against them that the laws on subordinating the police to the federals are now directed. Here snipers will shoot at them ...
  26. vlbelugin 28 September 2011 10: 27 New
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    Well, I would not blame Ivashov.
    Yesterday showed exercises in the Chelyabinsk region. In conclusion, they again showed a show on the fight against terrorists.
    See:
    - The terrorists were blocked in a house. So they are not a regiment or a brigade. Much less.
    - however, a tank unit, multiple launch rocket systems, aircraft and freaks in white coats were thrown against them.
    Question - WHERE TO TAKE SO MANY TERRORISTS to use such forces to destroy them?
    And no one did not think that our rulers could call people who came out to fight for their rights to the streets terrorists, extremists and other truths.
    And then the army will shoot. Do not flatter yourself.
    1. oper66
      oper66 28 September 2011 14: 17 New
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      in Libya there were also workers who fought for their rights in Chechnya; we also had many hotbb workers and others, this option is not seen
  27. andr4ew
    andr4ew 28 September 2011 19: 58 New
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    any faces will be for us for not very big money
  28. Varnaga 29 September 2011 08: 34 New
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    Ivashov finally went nuts, what to do, old age, insanity is just around the corner ...
    Speaking about the massive use of snipers, he, of course, thinks in terms of the Second World War, which simply speaks of the incredible stereotyped and inert thinking. (not without reason the theme of his Ph.D. "Achieving military-technical superiority during the Great Patriotic War", lol).
    In general, the "works" of this general analytega are well sorted out on the Internet and testify either to the incredible denseness and profanism, or to a certain orientation of his works. Afflicted References:
    http://onolitegi.ru/2010-02-03-17-38-52/40-war-techinc-analyzis/79-ivashov-soul-
    and-scale-of-awarness.html

    http://onolitegi.ru/index.php/component/content/article/36-future-in-the-past/66
    -ivashov-epic-fall-1.html

    http://onolitegi.ru/index.php/component/content/article/38-we-say/70-ivashov-whe
    n-read-biografy.html