Disassemble the yolk

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While I was at Center 2011, an article by a certain Igor Kravchuk about Pacific teachings was widely spread on the Internet fleet, bitingly entitled "The Russian Navy did not know such a shame. Showy exercises in Kamchatka." Initially, she appeared on the author’s blog on the guide park, and then she was quickly picked up by the media and netizens.

I quote her text in full:



On September 19, Kamchatka military tugs brought a floating barracks to Avachinskaya Bay, which served as a target in the exercises and were to be sunk by a massive launch of cruise missiles from ground complexes, submarines and surface ships. But not a single missile reached the target, and the nuclear submarine was generally embarrassed, tk. the submariners could not even put three missiles prepared to successfully defeat the target in the prelaunch preparation mode. The Russian Navy has not known such a shame for a long time. This should be an analysis of the serious squeezing of military men by the supreme commander who loves to snap his fingers, as well as the removal of shoulder straps, the tearing of stripes, demotion, punishment. Although then, perhaps, it is necessary to disband the entire army and "surrender" to NATO. Let them protect us. If we hypothetically imagine that tomorrow we will be attacked by Yumumbane, the Martians, then Russia will not be able to stand up for itself.

Have the president, the prime minister been told the truth? They waited for Putin in Kamchatka to arrange a show so beloved in the country since communist times. But either because the whole Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky was rummaged, or because of employment, but the galley slave did not arrive and did not witness the shame. Otherwise, this whole circus could see how brave marines landed on the beach and military equipment (26 BTR-80, MTLBV, 3 self-propelled ferries at the base tank T-64, etc.) shamefully stuck in the sand, many 8-wheeled vehicles stalled while still in the water, some could not go to the beach and overcome a slight elevation. They got stuck where my Cheburashka of the VAZ-21213 Niva brand easily passes.

560 Marine paratroopers landed on a narrow strip of beach that defended 67 people. In combat conditions they would be crumbled from machine guns and machine guns. They were advancing very tightly. Those who were fighting were even too lazy to dig trenches into full profile. In combat conditions, if everyone had a grenade launcher, the equipment with the landing force would have burned them even on the water during the landing. And this is despite the fact that there were no anti-tank obstacles on the shore. And if in real conditions you have to take the beaches as in 1944 during Operation Overlord, or how the Americans stormed Iwo Jim. But on the Internet, you can read the brave reports as the ships of the Pacific Fleet successfully conducted live firing off the coast of Kamchatka.

Indeed, to the shores of the peninsula from all over the Far East they pulled the maximum number of all kinds of ships. Many have hardly torn off their hulls from piers. their bottoms are thickly overgrown with shells from long standing on a leash. Some could not reach Kamchatka and broke down along the way. Those that have come - have recently been in the repair. Among them, the Varyag missile cruiser was proudly distinguished by its name. Approximately to the middle of the 90-s, he was based in Kamchatka under the name “Chervona Ukraine”, but then Russia was shy of that name and renamed the ship. Let me remind you that in the USSR there were powerful ships under the names “Minsk”, “Tbilisi”, “Kiev”, “Tallinn”, “Vilnius”, and “Riga”. I think that Russia should not be ashamed of these names.
"Varyag" twice fired complex "Fort" (C-300). One rocket fell into the water, flying away from the ship about two kilometers. The second went beyond the horizon and whether it had at least some goal - a secret. In theory, it was supposed to self-destruct, but no one heard the explosion.

PKZ-35 (floating tower) was dragged from the coast to 200 km. On this target, September 17 should have launched a volley coastal missile systems, submarines and surface ships. But no one hit. This has happened before, that occasionally the rockets did not reach and fell near or far from the coast, but this embarrassment was long gone. A cruise missile from the Rubezh complex flew out of a launcher with a strange grunting sound in 21.40. And bolts, nuts, rivets fell from it. The journalists were taken away from the positions in the event that if a rocket jerks at the start. After all, rockets are full of old stuff. However, she flew away and the military said that this rocket, which almost fell apart into parts, in flight, sank a nearby target (a decommissioned ship) which was 90 km from the coast.

But on a distant target at a distance of 200 km, not a single rockets of the Cliff complex (all the complexes were developed in 60-70-s) did not hit. Where they fell is not known. The target was observed from the Il-38 plane, but then the pilots reported that because of the darkness they could no longer see if the target was sunk. And could not see on the radar? It turns out - could not. Whether the radar is broken, or there are no specialists who could sit at the control of the radar. And only on Sunday, 18 of September, the tugboats found a target unharmed in the ocean and dragged it to 19 of September in Avacha Bay. So all the missiles missed. My acquaintance, the captain of the 1 rank, said: “Dolbo.by, since we couldn’t sink, let them now guard her in the raid.” And from the prosecutor's office of the Pacific Fleet were instructed to find out why the equipment was not removed from the floating command (target). My acquaintance, businessman Alexander Ivanov, says that he lived at PKZ-35 at the beginning of the 90s. This 4-deck ship Finnish construction. A kind of floating hotel where over 300 people could live. With a conference hall, a gymnasium, a bath, showers, laundries, etc. The ship had two powerful diesel generators with automatic start-up. A lot of pumps, pipelines, cables, etc. My friend called me at the military quarters and asked to let him remove the diesel generator from the station, and he was ready to pay for it. But warriors easier to sink the target with all the equipment. Because coordination on the removal of a diesel engine should be done almost at the Ministry of Defense.

Large disassembly waiting for submariners. Who are not able to palnut their staff weapons. I do not know the name of the boat where the launch of the 3 missiles of the Granit system are stuck, but it is of the same class as the Kursk. There are several such "loaves" on Kamchatka: "Omsk", "Tomsk", and "Kuzbass". The 3 nuclear-powered icebreaker and one diesel submarine took part in the exercise. And also a bunch of surface ships under fresh paint that had thick layers of puffed rust. All ships, absolutely all equipment and weapons have long since developed their resources, are morally obsolete.

I work as a journalist in Kamchatka since 1991, and during this time not a single (!!!) new surface ship came here. Several new submarines arrived, which were laid on the stocks under the communists. The technique that participated in the exercises: amphibious assault ships, infantry fighting vehicles, etc., is such old stuff that everything seems to have been pulled out of the X-YUMX-s stock of naphthalene. Even the marines were huge and heavy, which I studied as early as 70 in a military school. It would be better for cell phones to lead the landing and the battle.

The Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation (a completely unnecessary body) V. Patrushev recently held a meeting with law enforcement officers in the Southern Kuriles, and then in Sakhalin. This angered the Japanese. With what pathos and hatred did Russian false patriots speak on Internet forums about the resentment of the Japanese. It seems that the KGB general Patrushev did it on purpose. If it is impossible to arrange a small victorious war to raise the rating of another KGB officer Putin, it was worth it to annoy the Japanese. For the sake of rallying the nation. And the patriots called on the Internet forums to throw a couple of atomic bombs on Japan, relocate the entire submarine fleet of Russia to the Kuril Islands, place the Topol ICBMs on the islands, the Iskander missile systems, etc. It was funny to read. By the way, for Patrushev, here in Kamchatka, the border ship of the Orel FSB was hit to shine. The hero of Russia still visited Kamchatka, “controlling” the course of the exercises. In fact, the Secretary of the Security Council flew to Kamchatka to make a tourist tour to the Valley of Geysers, recognized by the Russian natural wonder.

In the summer of 2010, Russia conducted large-scale exercises on Iturup Island, which Japan considers its territory. Such behavior of a member of the Group of Eight is not worthy of the principles of democracy and freedom and resembled an elephant in a china shop. But if we proceed from the unwritten theory that the presence of: 1) enemies is necessary in the national security policy; 2) friends (allies) and preferably 3) money, then the behavior of Russia and its leadership fits into this theory. At any cost, find or create an artificially enemy as somewhere in the world, either from neighbors, or within the country. It distracts people from internal problems and rallies the population around their favorite leaders. What the August lightning war against Georgia clearly showed.
If last year the exercises were conducted to shake flabby muscles in front of Japan and demonstrate the decisiveness of the position of the Russian Federation in case Japan does not give up its rights to the Northern territories, the exercises in Kamchatka showed that military power was confused and rusted thoroughly. It remains only to arrange a window dressing.

According to the testimony of Kamchatka headquarters, the Americans and the Japanese watched Russian exercises from their nuclear and diesel submarines and Orion aircraft. I believe that they also successfully intercepted all the talks and reports of our warriors and know the whole truth about the current state of the Russian Pacific Fleet and the course of the exercises. Do not know only the truth, dear Russians, who are fed with mischief and bullshit. And who firmly believe in the power, superiority and invincibility of our weapons, that our tanks are still fast and strong armor. Although they say that our tanks are already losing on their steam parameters to the Ukrainian and even Pakistani ones. And the surface fleet of the Russian Navy is already somewhere in the 10 place in its power, passing even India, Japan and China ahead.
On Kamchatka on a retro plane of the Ministry of Defense IL-18 (60-machine) brought a whole company of journalists. How this flying kakstryulya not crashed? Although they say that the aircraft is reliable, but very noisy. Frozen correspondents who were present on Saturday 17 in September on rocket launches fed to the dump with a nourishing soup in the staff tent and gave 40-degree toadstool to sugreva. To write as it should. Only I was not there, I did not eat my ear, I did not eat the toadstool and I do not write as it should.

20 September, the author of these lines wanted to see the loading of old equipment in the Large landing ships. But the military barred the way to the area of ​​the so-called barrier. Small Camp. Where the marines landed on the beach. And because I tried to photograph the patrol, they almost broke my camera. At my request to show the documents or to introduce themselves, they replied: “We, uncle, are not cops to you. That they let show their crusts. We quickly piled you right now. ” And I thought it was good that they didn’t have a weapon. And then they would start to clap shutters. After all, it is known that there are many morons among the Russian contract servicemen.

Actually, I highlighted the key phrase in the text in bold - Mr. Kravchuk was not at these exercises, which didn’t prevent the three boxes from spitting up. Well, now disassemble the order in order.

The first item is the following:

1. On September 19, the Kamchatka military tugboats dragged into the Avacha Bay a floating tank that served as a target for the exercises and had to be sunk by mass launch of cruise missiles from ground complexes, submarines and surface ships. But not a single rocket reached the target.
Here is a photo of the PKZ-35 "Tugur" floating box before the 16.09.2011 shooting day - the whole

Disassemble the yolk


But photos of the swimming pool on the morning after the 17.09.2011 shooting. Two holes in all its glory


Big plans


Outlets





And this is the view inside



Clear enough evidence of the first lie of Mr. Kravchuk, isn't it?


2. how brave marines landed on the beach and military equipment (26 BTR-80, MTLBV, 3 self-propelled ferries based on the T-64 tank, etc.) shameful

stuck in the sand, many 8-wheeled vehicles are still on the water

To begin with, marines from Primorye landed in the Avachinskaya Bay - the 155 Brigade of Marines. Those. these guys did not know the coast at all, what actually was the idea of ​​the exercises - to land troops on an unfamiliar shore, so that people could not act as a template.
Further. Mr. Kravchuk, MTLB were on the defensive and they did not disembark. And this is not MT-TWT, but MT-TWT - with a 12.7-mm machine gun. Well, yes, you are not accustomed to blurt out, you have not been there.

"Self-propelled ferry", Mr. Kravchuk, this is a medium floating conveyor - TCP. In order of enlightenment - here he goes to the shore


There were no strangers in the water armored personnel carrier, Mr. Kravchuk, because none of the cars of this kind happened, as witnessed by more than 30 journalists, including the opposition Echo of Moscow and Ren-TV. If you already wrote about the stunted machines, then you had to add for the greater action that they were drowned. Do you know why? Because a machine with inactive pumps (and once it is “stalled,” the pump is not powered by anything), pumping out water, is filled with H2O and sinks. Mouth on the future for the next libel;).

About getting stuck in the sand. This is about this car.


Let me remind you once again that the landing was on an unfamiliar coast for drivers and was made for them for the first time. Then we see that we are talking about a driver's error, which at an angle (instead of straight) ran over a hillock and sat on the bottom. He was removed from there after a few minutes and the APC drove safely on. This is life, Mr. Kravchuk, real teachings (and not a parade), where soldiers learn, mistakes in learning are inevitable.
Here you have a photo from Iraq, where it is not at all a study, but practically a war, but mistakes also happen


It was the only BTR out of all who landed, who could not go himself.

3. 560 Marine paratroopers landed on a narrow strip of beach that defended 67 people. In combat conditions they would be crumbled from machine guns and machine guns. They were advancing very tightly. Those who were fighting were even too lazy to dig trenches into full profile. In combat conditions, if everyone had a grenade launcher, the equipment with the landing force would have burned them even on the water during the landing. And this is despite the fact that there were no anti-tank obstacles on the shore. And if in real conditions you have to take the beaches as in 1944 during Operation Overlord, or how the Americans stormed Iwo Jim.

Mr. Kravchuk, since you were not at these exercises, then of course you don’t know that the entire coast before landing was treated with artillery fire from ships (imitation, naturally, so that people would not die), which just causes machine guns and machine guns "happen to very few people. Moreover, Mr. Kravchuk, it would be useful for you to find out that they are trying to pick up a weakly protected coast for disembarking so as not to ruin the soldiers for nothing.
Trenches in full profile, Mr. Kravchuk, it is impossible to dig near water, because according to the laws of physics, which you obviously do not know, they will quickly fill with water.

4. "Varyag" twice fired complex "Fort" (C-300). One rocket fell into the water, flying away from the ship about two kilometers. The second went beyond the horizon and whether it had at least some goal - a secret. In theory, it was supposed to self-destruct, but no one heard the explosion.

Mr. Kravchuk, you again lied, because Varyag shot the Fort complex once, which was again witnessed by dozens of journalists. Here is the one shot (photo by Vadim Savitsky). Nothing fell into the water, and the commander of the flotilla appreciated the shooting as “good”



5. PKZ-35 (floating tower) was dragged from the coast to 200 km. On this target, September 17 should have launched a volley coastal missile systems, submarines and surface ships. But no one hit. This has happened before, that occasionally the rockets did not reach and fell near or far from the coast, but this embarrassment was long gone. A cruise missile from the Rubezh complex flew out of a launcher with a strange grunting sound in 21.40. And bolts, nuts, rivets fell from it. The journalists were taken away from the positions in the event that if a rocket jerks at the start. After all, rockets are full of old stuff. However, she flew away and the military said that this rocket, which almost fell apart into parts, in flight, sank a nearby target (a decommissioned ship) which was 90 km from the coast.

But on a distant target at a distance of 200 km, not a single rockets of the Cliff complex (all the complexes were developed in 60-70-s) did not hit. Where they fell is not known. The target was observed from the Il-38 plane, but then the pilots reported that because of the darkness they could no longer see if the target was sunk. And could not see on the radar? It turns out - could not. Whether the radar is broken, or there are no specialists who could sit at the control of the radar. And only on Sunday, 18 of September, the tugboats found a target unharmed in the ocean and dragged it to 19 of September in Avacha Bay. So all the missiles missed. My acquaintance, the captain of the 1 rank, said: “Dolbo.by, since we couldn’t sink, let them now guard her in the raid.”

We have already seen above in the photo how we didn’t get into the pool. He lied, Mr. Kravchuk, along with his "source" captain.
They shot two Redut complexes and one Boundary complex, Mr. Kravchuk, which are mobile, and the Rock, about which you babble, is a stationary complex, which was not on these firing positions.

The Rubezh complex was not grunted, Mr. Kravchuk, and from it the nuts with bolts did not fly, but the fasteners with which the rocket is fixed inside the complex were separated. But the results of hitting the "Frontier" in the fire boat ПЖК-3




And remember, Mr. Kravchuk, that shooting practice is carried out by rockets with an inert warhead, i.e. "pig", which does not explode, but simply pierces the ship, because what is important is the fact of hitting, and not the separation of the target into the chips.

6. I do not know the name of the boat where the launch of the 3 missiles of the Granit system are stuck, but it is of the same class as the Kursk. There are several such "loaves" on Kamchatka: "Omsk", "Tomsk", and "Kuzbass". The 3 nuclear-powered icebreaker and one diesel submarine took part in the exercise. And also a bunch of surface ships under fresh paint that had thick layers of puffed rust. All ships, absolutely all equipment and weapons have long since developed their resources, are morally obsolete.

The submarine "Tver" and the small rocket ship (that is your "heap of surface ships"), Mr. Kravchuk, took part in the exercises, some of them, after firing coastal complexes, fired a volley of two rockets (target type). I, unlike you, Mr. Kravchuk, will not lie, so I won’t speculate who fired — I don’t know.

7. Even the marines were huge and heavy, which I studied as early as 1981 in a military school.

Mr. Kravchuk, you obviously abused something in the school, because the marines had radio stations of the type P-168-5U, which you could not study at all, because there were no them then - these are new stations



8. On Kamchatka on a retro plane of the Ministry of Defense IL-18 (60-machine) brought a whole company of journalists. How this flying kakstryulya not crashed? Although they say that the aircraft is reliable, but very noisy. Frozen correspondents who were present on Saturday 17 in September on rocket launches fed to the dump with a nourishing soup in the staff tent and gave 40-degree toadstool to sugreva. To write as it should. Only I was not there, I did not eat my ear, I did not eat the toadstool and I do not write as it should.

A normal plane, Mr. Kravchuk, with good pilots, so we flew well. But the fact that you did not eat grebes © before writing your opus, I have strong suspicions, because dumping as much nonsense, being in your right mind, is impossible.

9. 20 September, the author of these lines wanted to see the loading of old equipment in the Large landing ships. But the military barred the way to the area of ​​the so-called barrier. Small Camp. Where the marines landed on the beach. And because I tried to photograph the patrol, they almost broke my camera. At my request to show the documents or to introduce themselves, they replied: “We, uncle, are not cops to you. That they let show their crusts. We quickly piled you right now. ” And I thought it was good that they didn’t have a weapon. And then they would start to clap shutters. After all, it is known that there are many morons among the Russian contract servicemen.

Mr. Kravchuk, you probably find it difficult to comprehend the simplest fact that there are absolutely no place for lodging civilians in the loading area. This is done to ensure that these individuals do not climb on their own stupidity under the wheels of technology. Because you, Mr. Kravchuk, and not allowed. Well, who in this case, the moron perfectly demonstrated you with your writing.

Summarize. Please note, dear readers, how quickly such a lie spreads over the network, how enthusiastically it is picked up by the media and not burdened by gray matter in the head of users. The more improbable is a lie, the easier it is to believe in it. Do you think those who convulsively repost an article of Kravchuk, who was not even close to the exercises, decide to reprint my answer? Strongly doubt.
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  1. +20
    26 September 2011 16: 58
    Admins, well done, quickly responded)
    1. +44
      26 September 2011 17: 11
      Many thanks to the site administration and author Denis Mokrushin, and it would be nice for Kravchuk to invite them to light from the side of a floating target and tie the reptile so that they would not dump
      1. +9
        26 September 2011 21: 15
        Yes, such a reptile would personally have a barrel of gunpowder, let him fly

        when I read his article yesterday I didn’t believe it and it became so dull on my soul !!! there are no problems, but then why lie
  2. +8
    26 September 2011 17: 10
    Oh yeah!!!!
    Thank you!
    The main caliber of NATO henchmen Kravchuk !!!

    Not, of course, these holes were then turned, the losers of the naval forces and the crews of the stuck armored personnel carriers were crushed for three days with chunks of punishment for poor combat training.

    Interestingly, the fees will return? BUT?

    THOUGH YOU FILL IN THE ENTIRE INTERNET WITH YOUR JUNK, FUCK YOU !!!!

    Kravchuk wish to die from poisoning, biting his tongue.

    He left, cheerfully humming "But from Moscow to the Japanese seas ..."
  3. zczczc
    +10
    26 September 2011 17: 13
    In general, as required to prove - a guidepark - an adder with an English name.
  4. +9
    26 September 2011 17: 22
    Thanks for the detailed information, for reading the previous article I was upset for fear of partial truth.

    Rejoice;)
  5. oper66
    +6
    26 September 2011 17: 26
    well, that’s all and the kid cleared up about the bitch was there and it’s going to be-one journalistic name ....... because they want everything to be bad for the author, thanks a lot to the article how the bomb hit the yellows
  6. Motherland
    +6
    26 September 2011 17: 29
    Oh, I would like to see these teachings live
  7. ZEBRASH
    +5
    26 September 2011 17: 32
    Thanks to the author for knowingly refuting Kravchuk. Not everything in our army is bad bully
  8. ICT
    +11
    26 September 2011 18: 14
    Quote: To summarize. Please note, dear readers, how quickly such lies spread across the network, how enthusiastically the media and people who are not burdened with gray matter pick up it with enthusiasm. The more implausible a lie, the easier it is to believe in it. Do you think those who frantically reposted an article by Kravchuk, who was not even close to the exercises, would decide to reprint my answer? I doubt it very much.

    so that there is no such thing as a prescentre of the fleet, they need to learn to work quickly and competently. yes, the author is a fine fellow, the answer is five points! "(and everything spreads very quickly on the network)
    1. Vadimburan
      +2
      12 October 2011 13: 53
      In society always
      panic is especially fast
  9. +4
    26 September 2011 18: 48
    Denis! Clever girl! The good news is that the overwhelming majority of members of the forum are people in their right mind and immediately expressed doubts about the cleanliness of this drunken grebe. The sun is shining, the sky is blue ... In general - "the flight is normal!"
  10. Sanzyro
    +9
    26 September 2011 19: 06
    At first, everyone spat on bile, now thunderous lisp ... The first article, of course, was too pessimistic, but in principle the guy did not lie much. The rebuttal is a complete well-being ... The truth is somewhere in the middle! And without these two articles it is clear - the fleet is in a deplorable state, especially when compared with the times of the USSR. And in the union, he was not our special favorite in financing. Our fleet has always been Cinderella, in comparison with other troops. It’s indecent to beat triumphantly and dance on the bones of our nuclear submarines and aircraft-carrying cruisers! In the USSR, we were a sea power, now, by and large, we are not ... It is bitter, insulting and criminally wrong!
    1. +2
      26 September 2011 20: 33
      At first they didn’t figure out which of us was there?
      And the fact that the suspicions lied were the Il-18 "retro-plane" can be guaranteed to fly on 2 working engines, and with a decrease in one, by the way, it was on its basis that the Il-22 flying command post was created, which still meets the requirements of the American Air Force for a machine of this kind assignments were created based on the proven Boeing 707 / G135. and later - Boeing 747 (E-4). This category of aircraft received the abbreviated designation ССС or С3 (from Command, Control, Communication - Command. Control, Communication).

      In the mid 80s. in the USSR, work began on the creation of a new generation of C3 aircraft. This time, the wide-body Il-86 was chosen as the carrier. The constructed aircraft (designated Il-82) appeared in the late 80s, and it was not possible to test their complex in full. The cost of their operation is significantly higher than that of the Il-22 - as a result, the old and reliable turboprop "Ily" continue to be used and on alert, while their intended successors practically do not leave the parking lot. Some Russian Il-22s (like their "foreign" counterparts) are used as transport vehicles, but there is no doubt that in their original capacity the Il-22 will serve the Russian Armed Forces for a long time.
    2. cabin boy
      +2
      27 September 2011 00: 51
      Why are you comparing with the times of the USSR, and where are the times of "Tsar Boris"? Until you realize that we all ended up in these "happy" times, it is impossible to understand what we are getting out of!
  11. +2
    26 September 2011 19: 23
    Well done Denis Mokrushin!
  12. MaxArt
    0
    26 September 2011 20: 00
    Thank you for the article! Nothing more to add, just thanks! It is a pity that for every word of truth like Kravchuk -deleted- they will dump ten tons of lies. It is necessary to hold accountable, so as not to be mischievous!
  13. lexalex
    +4
    26 September 2011 20: 01
    I didn’t believe Kravchuk at once ... But he himself served and I know that some of what he invented is possible! I am glad that the sailors are not disgraced, it’s hard now, especially thanks to them !!! Administration special respect for missing this article! The correct site !!! I respect !!!
    1. +4
      26 September 2011 20: 07

      The radio station R-168-5UN (1) E (Aqueduct-5UN (1) E) provides open and disguised radio communications in the VHF range of radio networks of tactical control under severe operating conditions. It can be made in wearable, transportable and stationary versions. The R-168-5UN (1) E radio station is recommended for the replacement of the R-159 (16kg); P-159 (M) (16kg); R-163-10U (14kg). Produced at the Yaroslavl Radio Plant.
      1. +2
        27 September 2011 21: 39
        weight with battery 6,5 kg
      2. KASKAD
        +3
        28 September 2011 21: 14
        That shit is three tons, only ours can come up with such a h @ etu, all the employees of the Yaroslavl Radio Plant can drag it.
        1. +1
          28 September 2011 21: 32
          Ten kilograms lighter fellow
  14. 0
    26 September 2011 20: 13
    From this hefty mandula, which is tugur, you could probably make something useful, a kind of floating nativity scene. And in the case of Kravchuk, the last bastard is with a poisonous sting, but Mokrushin, in my opinion, also overdid the desire to somehow present everything in a different light. Of course, the teachings I haven’t seen it, but I’m representing the situation in the troops. It’s strange that in such large exercises, as a result of shelling only 2 holes, such a healthy target was intended for more hits. But for the article, anyway, respect.
    1. +1
      26 September 2011 20: 18
      Probably the point is how many times they fired. If "broke" for only 2 missiles - this is one thing, if for a dozen - a completely different calico.
  15. +3
    26 September 2011 20: 16
    Namnusili then ... Oh, what a pity to some that the missiles hit, right?
    And the technique did not disappoint ...
    Yes, I understand you, road. But alas, I can not do anything. Fact.

    Quote: Sanzyro
    At first, everyone spat bile, now thunderous lisping ...


    Suppose not all were spitting. In vain you are so.

    Quote: Sanzyro
    The first article, of course, was unnecessarily pessimistic, but in principle the guy did not lie a lot. In rebuttal, it is complete consolation ...


    The first article was a non-Japanese breach. Nothing but rumors and "information from high-ranking officials" are not confirmed. In the so-called refutation - facts, with the given photographs.

    Quote: Sanzyro
    In the USSR, we were a maritime power, now, by and large, we are not ...


    You know, in my opinion, we have ceased to be a sea power for a long time. Years after 1920.

    Quote: Sanzyro
    True somewhere in the middle! And without these two articles it is clear that the fleet is in a deplorable state, especially when compared with the times of the USSR.


    This is true without a middle. Nevertheless, reptiles who spit into the army and navy should be spread rot.
    1. Sanzyro
      +6
      26 September 2011 20: 56
      Quote: Banshee
      You know, in my opinion, we have ceased to be a sea power a long time ago. Years after 1920
      Strongly disagree! In the USSR, parity with NATO was achieved. In what ways, another question, but it was! And we were definitely a sea power. To doubt it is to reject the obvious. Now, this is a big question ...
      1. +4
        26 September 2011 21: 06
        Yes there was a time

        In the 80s, the USSR Navy became a powerful fleet sharing the first or second place in the world with the US Navy. In 1991, it consisted of 285 submarines, 259 main class BNCs, naval aviation included 1638 aircraft (more than 870 combat aircraft) and 561 helicopters . The total tonnage of only warships reached 2540 thousand tons, the number of personnel is 442 thousand people. The Navy’s budget was 13.5 billion rubles (in 1991 prices), which amounted to 14% of the military budget (for comparison, the US Navy’s budget is 33% of the military budget).
  16. 0
    26 September 2011 20: 54
    In the photo that you submitted by signing: "It was the only armored personnel carrier of all that landed, who could not leave by itself."
    The USA tank "Abrams" is presented.
  17. 0
    26 September 2011 20: 57
    The photo that you submitted by signing: "It was the only armored personnel carrier of all who landed, who could not leave on their own." - the US tank "Abrams" is represented.

    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D1%81_(%D1%82%D0%B0%






    D0% BD% D0% BA)
    1. +1
      26 September 2011 21: 03
      Ivan, I think you were mistaken, it’s just written on top

      Here you have a photo from Iraq, where it is not at all a study, but practically a war, but mistakes also happen
      1. +1
        26 September 2011 21: 09
        I apologize.
  18. +3
    26 September 2011 21: 01
    Thank you so much !
    I hope no one will mind if I reprint this article on alternative histories? Here, too, someone posted a Kravchuk article, they read, spat, but there was nothing to argue with - none of us was at the Pacific Fleet.
    Of course, I will indicate both the link and the author
  19. matolyan
    +2
    26 September 2011 21: 43
    Awesome move: two "comrades" wrote two articles, one bad, the other good, well, just like in Pindos action movies. Well done, and you havaite - people !!!!
    I myself am not a naval sailor, so an artilleryman, I don’t know the business in the Navy, but I’ll say that in the land forces now the ass, as they say is not a king, is not famous !!!!!! Maybe I'm wrong, but with us the Navy can get afloat. only one of all was stuck in the barracks and armored personnel carriers - this is an indicator of the power of our Navy. And it pleases!!! Ha - Ha - Ha !!!!
    1. hundert
      0
      26 September 2011 23: 03
      and enlighten what is happening in the ground forces. otherwise everyone says that a more or less educational process has begun, teachings.
      in what part of the ass is the artilleryman?
  20. 0
    26 September 2011 22: 13
    Mr. Kravchuk, you lied again, because Varyag fired the Fort complex once, which, again, was witnessed by dozens of journalists. Here is that single shot (photo by Vadim Savitsky). Nothing fell into the water, and the flotilla commander rated the shooting as "good".

    It is gratifying that Denis Mokrushin gave a fitting rebuff to the "yellow" press. And that pleases. that in their comments there is genuine joy, that everything is not so bad, that the majority in the comments are true patriots of our Army and Navy. But still, in my opinion, Sanzyro has the most rights. So after all, you can even get to the hat of the hat. How it ended in history is known. The Navy, like all the Armed Forces, is now seriously ill. "Treatment" is going on with great difficulty. All the rocket firing and other combat exercises, which D. Mokrushin happily told about the tactical background, in terms of complexity, do not suit the level of combat training and training of the pre-perestroika period. Today we have to state this with bitterness. Well, and another little remark. The assessment of rocket fire is made up of tactical and fire indicators, which are calculated using special methods. Decisive in the assessment is the analysis of many parameters of the recording equipment of objective control, because only he gives the answer only - hit, did not hit. The fleet commander can only approve the assessment. Unfortunately, on almost all missile launches shown on television in recent years, missiles cheerfully fly away somewhere, but, alas, it was not possible to see hits and hits of a training air target.
    1. cabin boy
      0
      27 September 2011 00: 44
      okroshka79
      "but, alas, it was not possible to see hits and hits of a training air target"

      Want to see for yourself? Welcome to PKZ -35
  21. NUT
    NUT
    0
    26 September 2011 23: 41
    if the true truth was revealed by Mokrushin, that is, still gunpowder in the powder flasks, there is someone to revive the former power, glory, traditions of the Russian Navy and this really cannot but rejoice
    however, if our admirals aloud say that the ships are sailing (at one time because they called a baluster a step, did not climb out of the car for a month), and the sailors at the end of the service did not know which soup tastes better, with grommets or with counterforts, not to mention that the system of our military is similar to the system of prisoners of war, maybe pan Kravchuk angered everyone for nothing?
  22. merkawa
    0
    26 September 2011 23: 50
    That's what I doubted in the last article, the exercises must also be shown skillfully. The equipment is old but combat-ready and there are no contractors, and there’s no reason to start faulting. They say the ships are old, the Americans are old too and sail nothing.
  23. ICT
    0
    27 September 2011 00: 11
    Quote: Vadivak
    In the mid 80s. in the USSR, work began on the creation of a new generation of C3 aircraft. This time, the wide-body Il-86 was chosen as the carrier. The constructed aircraft (designated Il-82) appeared in the late 80s, and it was not possible to test their complex in full. The cost of their operation is significantly higher than that of the Il-22 - as a result, the old and reliable turboprop "Ily" continue to be used and on alert, while their intended successors practically do not leave the parking lot. Some Russian Il-22s (like their "foreign" counterparts) are used as transport vehicles, but there is no doubt that in their original capacity the Il-22 will serve the Russian Armed Forces for a long time.




    ON THE BASIS OF IL -86 - IL-80 I will still be in operation
    and IL-82 is a retranslator based on IL-76, they probably still fly,
  24. NUT
    NUT
    +2
    27 September 2011 00: 31
    Quote: merkawa
    The ships are supposedly old and nothing is floating.

    SWIMMING ... AVNO AND CHIPS, AND SHIPS - WALK
    1. Vadimburan
      +1
      13 October 2011 20: 25
      This is the privilege of sailors to say "we went, we know", "compass"
      And the land speak the land
      How to distinguish sailors if everyone will speak the marine language?

      For me:
      the ships are sailing, and the arrow of kOmpasa points to C
  25. cabin boy
    0
    27 September 2011 00: 42
    Thanks to Denis Mokrushin for an objective response to the propendos.
    Native PKZ-35, oh, how many times has it been interrupted by both the duty officer and the PDS. Even the tilt to the port side was leveled before flooding, and she didn’t want to drown, I don’t even doubt that people like Kravchuk would immediately have declared that the target had drowned simply from old age, evidence of their lies in the photographs, and there is no arguing with that.
  26. SIA
    SIA
    0
    27 September 2011 06: 53
    Great article! Thanks to Denis.
  27. +1
    27 September 2011 21: 22
    Thank you for the article. Only here such liberalists as Kravchuk need to be treated with other methods ........ This is the enemy
  28. +2
    27 September 2011 22: 55
    MAN THIS KRAVCHUK turned out to be such filth
    look how he dismissed his fagot language
    SIMPLY ANIMAL

    http://twower.livejournal.com/640158.html?thread=24487326#t24487326
    1. Vadimburan
      +1
      13 October 2011 20: 29
      Why swear and turn communication into "who will blow whom"?
      Please, in fact.

      But Kravchuk did poorly, of course, that he did not understand the topic well and hastily scribbled his thoughts
  29. 0
    27 September 2011 23: 26
    Kravchuk to the Order of the "Pindos Six of Honor" and to the prize of the same prized Novodvorskaya!
  30. alk60
    -1
    30 September 2011 09: 16
    Explain somebody, why is he doing this?
    1. -1
      30 September 2011 09: 43
      Such are the "beliefs" of the person Kravchuk, remember the anecdote about the inspector and the rooster? One is looking for a grain in a heap of shit and the other in a heap of good .... There is such a group of people "Russian intelligentsia" that at the beginning of the century they sent a congratulatory telegram to the Japanese Mikado in connection with the victory of the Japanese fleet off Tsushima Island, this is a profession and a state of mind, send its even on the moon the result will be the same ... The most important thing is the complete absence of such a component as conscience and patriotism, and in most cases, alas, and intelligence
  31. baluru72
    -1
    19 October 2011 16: 11
    Come on, people, they just stuffed the ship’s barracks with protective systems, checked how they work, or disposed of decommissioned missiles is expensive, and they were thrown out under the guise of exercises,
  32. 0
    26 October 2011 14: 46
    Kravchuk-crested soap

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