Political motivation of the American company

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It became known: the American company General Motors is leaving Russia. She takes with her the German Opel. As TASS reported: “GM will focus on the premium segment of the Russian market with the help of the Cadillac brand and the legendary American Chevrolet models such as the Corvette, Camaro and Tahoe. Chevrolet will minimize its presence in Russia, while Opel will completely leave the Russian market by the end of December 2015. ”



Who scared the crisis in Russia

News automotive and economic experts quickly commented. Some people said that the company's production in our northern capital would be closed. In St. Petersburg, it is supposed to shut down the plant and lay off personnel (today, about 800 people work there). Others focused on economic reasons. They are obvious. Recently, GM has had serious problems with the sale of cars, the dealer network has cracked. Sales centers began to simply close.

These reasons did not open the year. Crisis in the yard. The ruble, which has fallen to critical values, has dramatically raised prices for imported cars. The car dealerships, which were empty in December, did not really come to life after the holidays. According to the Association of European Businesses, for two months of this year, sales of new cars in Russia compared to the same period of the 2014 year fell by a third. Companies that fail implementation, enough for a good list. Citroen has the worst results - sales fell by 78 percent, by Peugeot-81 and Opel-82, by Honda - 86 percent.

As we see, the American company GM did not hit the laggards, except for its Opel. Just the German company and the head company ordered - to leave Russia finally, irrevocably, forever! What is the reason for such a sharp movement, because sooner or later the crisis will pass, and the market with a capacity of millions of cars will remain?

Let's start with Opel. For General Motors, the German company is a sort of “suitcase without a handle.” Americans bought it back in the twenties of the last century. Then Opel was on the verge of bankruptcy. Taking advantage of this, General Motors acquired first 80 percent of the shares of the German concern, and after a while - the remaining 20. In the 1930-s with the advent of the Nazis to power in Germany, GM lost control of Opel. It was returned only after the Second World War. Opel became American again.

New serious problems for the German concern arose already in this century, during the crisis of 2008-2009. Then not only Opel, but also the parent American firm, reeled in the threat of bankruptcy. General Motors decided to sell its European asset. The buyers were a consortium of the Canadian company Magna International and the Russian Sberbank. Everything went to the deal. At the last moment she broke. Geopolitics is involved.

History This is known in Russia. Although the reason was very one-sided: they say that the Germans and the Americans were worried that the Russians, along with the Opel brand, would get modern automotive technology. It seems that the rest of foreign cars with localization, reaching up to fifty percent, are made in Russia with the help of a hammer and chisel! In fact, the overseas partners came to understand that the plants of the German concern fit well into the diversification of the Russian economy and help reduce its dependence on the energy sector. It did not suit them at all. And most importantly - the deal outlined during the crisis became a purchase for dollars of an economic object from the country that prints those same dollars.

Opel was, of course, not in America, so the German government was hooked up. They were preparing for the next election. On the eve of such an important event for the authorities, the current politicians did not smile at all at the prospect of getting thousands of unemployed closed concern. Angela Merkel with ill-disguised displeasure went to the rehabilitation of Opel. Guarantees, government guarantees, direct financial support were used. The head office in American Detroit also got better.

Sanctions are for long

There with payment means not wise. In June, 2009, General Motors began bankruptcy. What according to the laws of the United States filed a lawsuit in a New York court. It happened quickly. Under the terms of the bankruptcy, the company received from the US government 30 billion dollars, instead gave 60 percent of its shares. Another $ 9 billion in exchange for 12 percent of the stock came from the Government of Canada. The court gave 17,5% of the shares to the united trade union of automotive industry workers, the remaining - (10,5%) divided between the largest creditors of the concern. As a result of these actions, within a month and a half after filing a bankruptcy lawsuit in court, a new independent General Motors Company was created instead of the old GM (General Motors Corporation).

US President B. Obama said then that the state does not plan to control GM and will get rid of its stake as soon as the financial situation of the group improves. Words are words, but today, the blocking stake in GM is still written for the US Treasury. Trade unions and Canadians largely retained their shares. Together, this trio controls almost 55 percent of the group's securities. Therefore, the decision of General Motors to leave the Russian market is quite obvious by the United States government. The Germans, using their power in the company, it simply threw out of Russia. For a GM, as noted by Tass, has retained the sale of premium cars, which people like to ride, spoiled by American grants.

The decision of General Motors to withdraw from the Russian market arose against the backdrop of new trends among American politicians. There, voices of those who disagree with the current rhetoric of the US State Department began to sound clearer. Even the well-known Russophobe Z. Brzezinski, who had recently chided his democratic brethren for being too aggressive towards Russia, was noted. According to news agencies, this long-standing ideologue of US foreign policy advised President Barack Obama not to threaten the Russian Federation when looking for ways to resolve the conflict in eastern Ukraine, but to work out a concept for solving the Ukrainian crisis that would suit both the West and Russia.

It seems that Vladimir Putin’s black partner didn’t heed the good advice of his party colleagues, but on the contrary, he found another way to finely pinch Russia. After all, the political motivation of the automobile concern is obvious. (Where have you seen the Americans abandon the finished business? For him, the US is fighting all over the world.). GM's action has been sharpened to continue the sanctions, which for the time being cannot bring their proper result to their initiators I do not think that the Russian market will suffer without the machines of the Detroit company. Rather, General Motors will finally lose business opportunities in our country.

As for the sanctions ... We will survive them. The new generation of American politicians did not understand that Russia, as usual, only grows stronger under pressure. Objective observers learned this long ago.
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  1. +17
    20 March 2015 05: 21
    Would boycott all this riffraff and deal with the end. am
    1. +15
      20 March 2015 06: 19
      As for the sanctions ... We will survive them. The new generation of American politicians did not understand that Russia, as usual, only grows stronger under pressure.

      1. +8
        20 March 2015 07: 19
        That's right, everything that does not kill us makes us stronger!
        Or, as in the army: us ... and we are getting stronger!
        Yes, and I do not like these Chevrolet))
        1. +4
          20 March 2015 10: 21
          Quote: Skif83
          Yes, and I do not like these Chevrolet))

          A car is like a car, only expensive. If you want a better package bundle, the price is immediately obtained from a Mercedes. And Opel is a car of German plumbers. I'm not kidding. A capacious trunk and tools and a toilet fit for replacement. They like her.
          1. +8
            20 March 2015 10: 38
            Pricing policy, in particular Chevrolet, has raised questions before. When the Americans bought the Korean Daewoo, many small cars under the Chevrolet sign were basically Daewoo or its base. the Americans cut off good coupons for Laetti, then for the wretched Lanos - then the price tags were acceptable. But it turned out that the “Lacetti” is technically very mediocre, about the “Lanos” just keep silent. Then there was "Cruz" with a price tag introduced at the beginning of sales, which then began to noticeably add. The new generation of "Tahoe" in 2012 came initially with a price tag a la Kruzak - which did not have a positive effect on sales of a very reliable and decent car. And the further the worse. The company went a little overboard with its positioning in our market. Roughly the same thing happened with Opel, although initially the brand's sales (despite all the jokes about its quality) were good. Etc. etc. And here's the result. Well, nothing, there are Yapas and Koreans, with a sane price tag, sales will be in spite of the crisis, which will close sooner or later.
        2. +5
          20 March 2015 12: 55
          Quote: Skif83
          Yes, and I do not like these Chevrolet))

          "I love Uzbeks" ?!
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Would boycott all this riffraff and deal with the end.

          This is not Borjomi and not Sprats
          Quote: Kent0001
          When the Americans bought the Korean Daewoo

          So they created the South Korean car industry under the Marshall program, like the "Korean economic miracle" according to the patterns of Communism-Capitalism.
          Quote: Kent0001
          Well, nothing, there are yapi and Korean

          Even the filthy Wikipedia does not fully disclose but provides a generalized mental course on the prevalence of GM's business.
          For example, let's analyze a more open structure, namely Volkswagen AG:
          Audi AG, Automobili Lamborghini SpA (subsidiary of Audi AG), Bentley Motors Ltd.Bugatti Automobiles SAS (subsidiary of Volkswagen France), MAN, Scania AB
          SEAT SASkoda Auto asVolkswagen Marine, Porsche, Ducati Motor Holding SpA
          Therefore, many understanding people perceive the "curtailment" of GM of all leash, as a decrease in intra-corporate competition between brands.
          1. +2
            20 March 2015 15: 02
            Quote: Papakiko
            Therefore, many understanding people perceive the "curtailment" of GM of all leash, as a decrease in intra-corporate competition between brands.



            And there is.
            I do not see any political motive for GM to cut down its production in Russia, other than a decrease in demand.
            Other corporations will happily take their place with a view of better times.
    2. +4
      20 March 2015 15: 09
      Yes, let them fuck, let’s drive on a vase!
      1. 0
        20 March 2015 19: 20
        Thank you, such "happiness" is also not necessary. Thank God, there are unpretentious and reliable Japanese, so we will ride them.
    3. +4
      20 March 2015 19: 39
      I read something, but not my words

      We did not ask to love Russia
      Your dislike for us does not matter
      If you do not like Russia
      There is a road “onX **“ Lord!
    4. 0
      20 March 2015 21: 52
      Yes, in general, I do not care "I love Koreans")))
  2. +4
    20 March 2015 05: 31
    Sang Yong is also leaving the Russian market, probably for political reasons too. Or maybe this is due to the depreciation of the ruble and the rise in price of foreign cars? But no, most likely politics ...
    1. +5
      20 March 2015 05: 56
      for political reasons? why then Kia Hyundai did not leave? or did Samsung stop selling their gadgets?
      1. Favorite
        +4
        20 March 2015 06: 21
        It's simple, the volumes are slightly different, the losses are less, the level of localization is higher. Gadgets are another matter, they have a business with a different specificity, and the rate of decline is not so significant and sensitive. Let's just say this is a very flexible market.
      2. +2
        20 March 2015 11: 13
        I guess from Igor39 it was an irony)
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      1. 0
        20 March 2015 06: 30
        Read the second sentence.
        1. +9
          20 March 2015 07: 19
          Quote: Igor39
          Read the second sentence.

          If you wrote sarcastically, I agree. Otherwise, do not confuse the pedals. "Sang Yong" (although it belongs to "Kia", and that, in turn, "Hyundai") does not have localization in Russia, "Sollers" was just a SKD. So there is no point in selling it in Russia now, it is too specific a product. And the same "Kia" and "Hyundai" have quite a decent localization in Russia, moreover, they did not raise prices during the jump in the dollar, as did "Chevrolet". It is one thing to stop supplies, and another is to completely leave the market and close dealerships. If the situation is rectified, the same Kia will share the space with a subsidiary, and to what ashes will GM return? The same Chinese will quickly occupy a niche.
          1. 0
            20 March 2015 08: 14
            Quote: inkass_98
            The same Chinese will quickly occupy a niche.


            That's just on this topic I wanted to ask a question.

            The departure of GM and Opel from the Russian market has been covered for the third day in the Russian media and on the Internet, they say about Koreans that the reason is the low purchasing power of the ruble. BUT I am interested in the "Chinese" question - in "Vedomosti" it was said that the Chinese are also leaving the Russian car market. So I didn't understand ... firstly, I haven't seen a single Chinese car live ... Well, let's say they "live" in the Far East ... But how can they leave our market if you remove everything from us? on ointment in the sense of ruble-yuan calculations ???
            And you are just talking about the Chinese ...
            Where is the truth, brother ??? Explain who can, just wondering ...
            1. -4
              20 March 2015 08: 54
              Quote: veksha50
              But how can they leave our market if we take everything off the ointment in the sense of ruble-yuan calculations ???

              And the ruble-RMB rate is not converted in dollars?
              1. 0
                20 March 2015 15: 45
                Professor, you better tell us what to expect Israel from the United States, after Netanyahu won the election?
                1. +1
                  20 March 2015 16: 01
                  Quote: Gomunkul
                  Professor, you better tell us what to expect Israel from the United States, after Netanyahu won the election?

                  But nothing. Let's wait 2 years until Obama is re-elected to someone sane with eggs, then everything will change. There will be no "peace" with the "Palestinians" because of the unwillingness and ability of the "Palestinians" to create.
                  1. +2
                    20 March 2015 19: 37
                    And this person, after this, is indignant that Iran should not be given nuclear weapons, you see, he "threatens to destroy Israel."
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            2. +2
              20 March 2015 11: 17
              The Chinese are leaving the market before they come to it.
              Sales of Chinese brands in Russia were even inferior to the premium in the person of Audi, BMW, M-B.
              This is called natural selection.
            3. +3
              20 March 2015 13: 10
              More than 30 Chinese brands are sold in Russia, from mopeds to heavy trucks and construction equipment, by the way, the engines on some KamAZ and GAZ models are also Chinese, and the yuan is pegged to the dollar, so there is nothing to rejoice about.
          2. +3
            20 March 2015 08: 21
            as it were, and to hell with them, I regret one thing, they should have released a Chevrolet 2 Niva, but now they have stopped the project. It's time to take the old one ...
            1. +2
              20 March 2015 12: 14
              So after all, Chevrolet Niva 1 is not their development, but a purely VAZ project. They only participated in the implementation stage in money, because Kadannikov’s hometown sent gardens to the gardens ... Well, then they donated all the profits to themselves without a trace.
    3. AlekseyB
      +1
      20 March 2015 08: 58
      Maybe he is simply unnecessary for the money? It should be like a decent car, but you get Sang Yong))))
      1. 0
        20 March 2015 13: 14
        Well, in general, the Ssan Yang is a Mercedes ML, with other headlights
    4. The comment was deleted.
    5. Klepa
      +2
      20 March 2015 09: 51
      Yes, buy a "tiger". Well this is just a dream, not a car! With the chassis from the armored personnel carrier !!
      1. +2
        20 March 2015 10: 28
        Expensive. Highly. In the region of 3 lamas. Plus, you need to put your hands on an elephant and an electrician.
        On the way the people have no complaints)))). Chassis there from BRDM.
        Here he stood at least in the region of 1 lyama. Already would not look at the Chinese jeeps and patriots
        1. +1
          20 March 2015 11: 19
          To date, 3 million is almost nothing, given that the cost of a golf car is already in the region of one million.
          1. +6
            20 March 2015 11: 42
            To date, 3 million is almost nothing, given that the cost of a golf car is already in the region of one million.

            So i live like that crying
            1. +1
              20 March 2015 11: 43
              It was an irony, I also can not afford the Tiger, even as the only car in the family)
              1. +1
                20 March 2015 11: 57
                I understand about the irony. I fell ill with "Tiger" myself, but with our current economic and political realities, this is fantastic. After all, after (suddenly lucky) bought it, it is necessary to process it for a long time and carefully with a file
                1. 0
                  20 March 2015 12: 27
                  Quote: Nissa-on
                  After all, after (suddenly lucky) bought it, it is necessary to process it for a long time and carefully with a file

                  So he also eats decently ...
                  1. +2
                    20 March 2015 13: 07
                    Quote: Nayhas
                    So he also eats decently ..

                    Komrad, whom does this stop from the owners of Q7-8, X5-6, Cayenne, etc. .....?
                  2. +2
                    20 March 2015 13: 10
                    25 l. / 100 km. diesel fuel is very indecent (((
                    1. 0
                      20 March 2015 15: 14
                      Quote: Nissa-on
                      25 l. / 100 km. diesel fuel is very indecent (((



                      Who is it that consumes?
                2. Klepa
                  0
                  20 March 2015 23: 59
                  And I believe that we will eventually buy. I will also stick on the back of it the inscription "blonde behind the wheel" and two exclamation marks and I will enjoy an oasis of peace and tranquility on the road! wassat
          2. 0
            24 March 2015 20: 38
            Yes, everyone will wish to live like that. Since in our Crimea the normal salary is called within 12000 rubles. Even if you do not spend anything on a living and communal apartment, even Chinese trash or VAZ, you need to collect all your life! And for normal cars only in fantastic dreams!
        2. Klepa
          +2
          20 March 2015 11: 20
          But the safest, according to the laws of physics.
    6. +1
      20 March 2015 13: 00
      San Yang does not leave, but will develop his dealer network without Strollers. They also want to sell other models, except for the Ulyanovsk assembly. Completely leaving Jeep, Chrysler, Alfa Romeo. Honda will not trade Japanese models Civic, Cricctour. The most incomprehensible thing that will happen to Shniva, a new model was supposed to appear in September, yesterday it turned out that there would definitely not be a new Spitz, although preparations for the series were conducted for more than a year and the subject vehicles were already ready.
    7. 0
      20 March 2015 13: 00
      San Yang does not leave, but will develop his dealer network without Strollers. They also want to sell other models, except for the Ulyanovsk assembly. Completely leaving Jeep, Chrysler, Alfa Romeo. Honda will not trade Japanese models Civic, Cricctour. The most incomprehensible thing that will happen to Shniva, a new model was supposed to appear in September, yesterday it turned out that there would definitely not be a new Spitz, although preparations for the series were conducted for more than a year and the subject vehicles were already ready.
  3. +1
    20 March 2015 05: 51
    Here you have the most frigid capitalists with experience from GM who survived on the market only thanks to the support of the state and for whom it suddenly turned out that the localization of production is a competitive advantage!
    1. +2
      20 March 2015 09: 13
      The advantage of whom? What about our automobile industry, which you won’t look at without tears, and which produces something more necessary with the help of Western developments?
      1. +6
        20 March 2015 09: 41
        Well, not everything is so bad in our car industry. Although I agree, "Bentley" is not released, here we are very behind.

        PS When they say: "Everything is bad!", You can use facts and some kind of calculations.
      2. +2
        20 March 2015 11: 51
        In fairness, I must say that Lada in recent years has been moving towards improving quality and comfort.
        Last year, the first time I got behind the wheel of a Lada 114 (I rented) - before that I only drove foreign cars, so I was so shocked by the car that I couldn’t describe it in a fairy tale !!! I had the feeling that I was driving a truck! Until that moment, I thought that all the mockery of domestic cars on the Internet, this is just the tricks of the trolls.
        Taught by bitter experience, the next time he rented a Lada Grant and this model can already be called a full-fledged passenger car, though of reduced comfort.
        I hope that Vesta, at least in terms of comfort, will stand on one level with foreign golf cars.
  4. 0
    20 March 2015 06: 19
    GM leaves and the tablecloth is expensive, but after all, the production facilities remained, they were not taken away by the p.i.d.so.s. Maybe there is an opportunity to use these capacities and further nationalize them?
    1. 0
      20 March 2015 07: 18
      As I understand it, the equipment of these plants will be sold. In order not to work like Ostap Bender-chairs are sold in parts!
    2. +2
      20 March 2015 08: 16
      Quote: silver169
      but the production capacities remained, they were not taken by the p.i.d.o.s.s.



      The plant is mothballed and is the property of the Amer company ... And it will be an eyesore, until someone gets tired ...
      1. +3
        20 March 2015 11: 11
        Well, I don’t know ... where is Mitvol? In my opinion, the plant scares the surrounding hares, so you have to demolish it ... until March 20! you do not want? well, so be it- we’ll buy for $ 100000 and take it down ourselves. or we’ll not demolish, we can relocate rabbits ...
    3. 0
      20 March 2015 18: 42
      Right now! The Americans will leave something! After World War II, they demanded all their equipment from the Soviet Union, right down to the trucks that were destroyed in the trash. We had to carry all this scrap metal across the country to eastern ports. These are allies! And then a whole factory!
  5. 511
    +5
    20 March 2015 06: 53
    It still doesn’t reach many that the departure of companies from hostile countries, to put it mildly, gives us a chance to bring our automotive industry to a high level. And the fact that our cars should be better than Americans and Germans. UNDERSTANDING PEOPLE ARE SURE. EXAMPLE PLANES, TANKS, AUTOMATIC MACHINES, YES SIMPLY Cabbage soup with cabbage and that Russian is all better.
    1. 0
      20 March 2015 06: 56
      Quote: 511
      gives us a chance to bring our automotive industry to a high level

      And what since the days of Gas M-21 have they become better? Using cheap steel, ignoring galvanizing as a cost-saving and other things will not make the car better
    2. +2
      20 March 2015 07: 13
      Quote: 511
      gives us a chance to bring our automotive industry to a high level

      The Chinese finished the pre-crisis games, now their intentions are much more serious. On Monday, August 25, 2014, the press service of the administration of the Tula region announced the start of construction of the Great Wall plant with a total value of $ 520 million. In 2017, the plant will work, and by 2020, the Chinese company should reach the level of 150 cars a year, despite the fact that for the entire 000 Great Wall sold 2013 cars in Russia. It should be added that the assembly of Chinese SUVs and pickups is already going to Gzhel from bodies manufactured on the Circassian Derways, as well as in the Lipetsk region, together with the Russian distributor partner Irito.
      The other day, an agreement on the construction of a plant in the Kaluga region was signed with Lifan. This car assembly shop will cost much less - $ 150 million. The maximum capacity will be 100 cars per year. Although Lifan was more successful than Great Wall (000 cars sold), but before the intended purpose this company will have to go on and on. While the plant is being built, the Derways factory in Cherkessk has been assembling the Lifan Solano, Smily, Cebrium, Cellya, and X27 models since 467.
      These are the first enterprises that will be owned entirely by Chinese auto companies. Derways sheltered other "Chinese": in March 2014 the assembly of Brilliance cars began, and soon Chery Bonus 3 and Tiggo 5 will be launched. Cars of this brand were expelled from Kaliningrad Avtotor in 2008. In the same place, in Cherkessk, behind one of the walls, the only crossover of the Taiwanese company Luxgen is going.
      New Chinese brands Haval (owned by Great Wall) and Dongfeng will debut at the auto show. How many more firms from China will arrive in our country due to difficulties with the West is still unknown. Expansion is gaining momentum again, and the political situation in the world only contributes to this.
      http://www.avtovzglyad.ru/article/2014/08/25/614564-zavodyi-kitayskih-avtoproizv
      oditeley-poglotyat-rossiyu.html
      1. +1
        20 March 2015 07: 42
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        with company Lifan

        This company in the Russian Federation should be called as port - "Three Axes" :-)
      2. +1
        20 March 2015 08: 20
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        The Chinese finished the pre-crisis games, now their intentions are much more serious.


        And Vedomosti is bullshitting that the Chinese are also leaving our market ... Well, that's what they are for ...
      3. +2
        20 March 2015 08: 48
        God forbid to buy a Chinese car ... and even assembled in Russia. it's a nightmare
    3. +4
      20 March 2015 08: 26
      Quote: 511
      It still doesn’t reach many that the departure of companies from hostile countries, to put it mildly, gives us a chance to bring our automotive industry to a high level. And the fact that our cars should be better than Americans and Germans. UNDERSTANDING PEOPLE ARE SURE. EXAMPLE PLANES, TANKS, AUTOMATIC MACHINES, YES SIMPLY Cabbage soup with cabbage and that Russian is all better.

      Yes, I beg you ... if our market is left without foreign cars, our manufacturers will not move a finger if they are not kicked. without competition, our auto industry will stomp on the spot
    4. +1
      20 March 2015 10: 44
      Quote: 511
      gives us a chance to bring our automotive industry to a high level.

      funny))))))))) Well, they didn’t and don’t do consumer goods in Russia for the civilian population, like in the West. Atomic stations, weapons, well, there are military engines, planes. But not sofas, chairs, cars, etc. In this, they were always better than in tsarist times, in Soviet times, now !! The products of the Russian automobile industry are completely sucks. More precisely, they could have been bought not for the money that they offer. A 15-year-old western production would last longer and will be more reliable than domestic 2014
      1. +2
        20 March 2015 18: 04
        Quote: Yeraz
        .Bu 15 year old western production will last longer and will be more reliable than domestic 2014

        I do not agree! Although if for you a car as a sign of prestige, then maybe. But if you travel a lot every day, then the 15-year-old will fall apart very soon! Checked and more than once!
        1. +3
          20 March 2015 19: 53
          Quote: non-primary
          Quote: Yeraz
          .Bu 15 year old western production will last longer and will be more reliable than domestic 2014

          I do not agree! Although if for you a car as a sign of prestige, then maybe. But if you travel a lot every day, then the 15-year-old will fall apart very soon! Checked and more than once!

          Here again, minus and no comments! Where is your point of view? Or is it more familiar from around the corner?
          1. 0
            23 March 2015 01: 19
            Quote: non-primary
            Here again, minus and no comments!

            I didn’t set the minus. I’ve said here many times not a fan of minuses.
            And I don’t agree with you. 15-year-old is in no way inferior to the strength of AvtoVAZ products. Also, a prior ride having a little bit turns into a 15-year-old western one. It has been tested more than once. Ask the Ministry of Internal Affairs employees who give these priors. They will quickly describe their quality, since opera is often ride on it.
  6. +12
    20 March 2015 06: 56
    Yes, I’m a little below the waist and slightly above my knee these Opels and Motors. I have UAZ-PATRIOT 2008, I really think I should sell it and take it in the summer of UAZ PATRIOT of 2015. good
    1. +1
      20 March 2015 18: 08
      Quote: Fitter65
      Yes, I’m a little below the waist and slightly above my knee these Opels and Motors. I have UAZ-PATRIOT 2008, I really think I should sell it and take it in the summer of UAZ PATRIOT of 2015. good

      I have 2009 And if I decide to change it, then only to a new PATRIOT!
  7. anakonda
    +8
    20 March 2015 07: 00
    GM does not completely leave the Russian market - remain in the premium segment of the market, that is, in the class of expensive foreign cars, and Opel completely leaves the Russian market, since it produces cars for the middle class and all the salt in this middle class is rapidly impoverished in Russia or soon it will come to this, and the nouveau riche and corrupt officials will continue to fatten, despite the show that the Russian government arranged by arresting the governor of Sakhalin and several officials. I foresee a lot of minuses, but it's impossible to not write because of this. I've been reading for a long time your site and I see how comments become one-sided and not interesting.
    1. 0
      20 March 2015 07: 39
      until minus smile and about the second, yes, there is such a thing.
      Well, now they will definitely start ..........
    2. +4
      20 March 2015 08: 44
      I foresee many disadvantages in advance, but not writing because of this is already impossible. I have been reading your site for a long time and see how comments become one-sided and not interesting.
      Or masochism, or the site actually likes laughing
      1. +3
        20 March 2015 11: 29
        Well, why .... the site really likes. I’ll even say more - this site is one of the most beloved and regularly visited. Information is current, always on time. Again, it was on this site that I found a person who helped deliver humanitarian aid to Lugansk.
        Everything is fine .... except for some visitors: cheers-patriots, useless idiots inserting comments on the basis of the FIRST TIME and minuscule people whose reflex often is ahead of thought
    3. 0
      20 March 2015 10: 36
      Why is Ford not leaving? or Volkswagen? The middle class buys them more.
      1. +1
        20 March 2015 10: 40
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Why is Ford not leaving? or Volkswagen? The middle class buys them more.

        Not yet evening. Sales will fall to unacceptable ones and they will reduce production, lay off staff or even shut down plants. Everyone will lose, both consumers and hard workers themselves.
        1. +1
          20 March 2015 11: 04
          Sales will fall to unacceptable ones and they will reduce production, lay off staff or even shut down plants. Everyone will lose, both consumers and hard workers themselves.
          the main profit comes not from sales of cars, but from their after-sales service. With sales, manufacturers are now interested in a minimum margin. Something like a razor and blades to it)
          1. 0
            20 March 2015 11: 25
            The manufacturing company does not provide after-sales service - it only supplies spare parts. But factories for the production of components in Russia are even smaller than assembly plants, because the percentage of localization is very low.
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            2. 0
              20 March 2015 16: 02
              The manufacturer is not engaged in service - only supplies spare parts
              You know, I know. As well as in the knowledge that you are not buying a car at the factory, but are buying it from the dealer from whom you are servicing.
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        3. 0
          20 March 2015 11: 15
          the crisis is always followed by an upswing, have you heard?
          1. 0
            20 March 2015 11: 38
            In Russia, the rise is always followed by a crisis.
            1. +1
              20 March 2015 12: 02
              I’ll disappoint, it’s in the whole capitalist world, it doesn’t happen otherwise
              1. +3
                20 March 2015 12: 07
                I survived the collapse of the Union; you won’t disappoint me with such information.
        4. Fin
          0
          20 March 2015 14: 14
          Quote: professor
          Sales will fall to unacceptable ones and they will reduce production, lay off staff or even shut down plants.

          He is next on the way out. Sales there also fell well. Over the past 4 years, only ugly Ecosport for crazy money for this trough. Where is the restyled focus3, fiesta? There are problems with management, in my opinion.
          1. 0
            20 March 2015 16: 49
            Well, Kuga 2 is quite a good model, especially if you consider the price tag with competitors. It is strange that they closed the Fusion European, a completely high-quality machine was inexpensive. Renault made a fuss and released an analogue in the form of Sandero.
      2. 0
        20 March 2015 11: 36
        VW does not leave because its cars are bought in Russia "more".
        But Ford is not so hot in the Russian market. They may leave along the beaten track, following Opel and Chevrolet, especially since, unlike GM with its Cadillac, Ford does not have the premium demanded in the Russian market.
  8. +1
    20 March 2015 07: 14
    Thinking people assumed such a turn of events when creating these clusters. Kaluga Volkswagen also stood up.
  9. +2
    20 March 2015 07: 39
    Interestingly, GM leaves, but not all ... There will be no cheap Opels and Koreans ... From another bell tower,
    it remains Cadillac and the big American Chevrolet ... They wrote, during the sanctions, trade with
    The European Union fell more than 10%, and with the United States, it seems like it grew by 4%! Along the way, Americans are rapping Europe by
    complete! This is somewhat fun!
  10. +4
    20 March 2015 07: 55
    And take the dog off! GM cars in the Russian market are mainly turned by Daewoo, which GM bought at the time. And about Opel once said:
    "Germany has two flaws - Hitler and Opel."
    A holy place is never empty. Competition has not been canceled.
  11. +1
    20 March 2015 08: 02
    Again they will start to drive cars from Europe. The point is not tricky. One hell our huckster prices tear. And spare parts are a duck kapets, if you buy a car for spare parts, it turns out like a gold one, the price tag is immediately 5 times higher (without even collecting it) than just buying a new one.
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  13. -4
    20 March 2015 08: 20
    Article minus. The sharks of American business spat on morality, sanctions, politics and other "intellectual" things. They (sharks) are only interested in one thing - profit.
    Only in the plant near St. Petersburg, where Chevrolet Cruze and Opel Astra were going, GM invested more than 300 million dollars. Leaving the Russian market will cost the company another 600 million.
    Leaving is only due to the fact that the company does not believe in the economic future of Russia as a whole and of its middle class in particular.
    1. +8
      20 March 2015 09: 48
      Quote: professor
      Leaving is only due to the fact that the company does not believe in the economic future of Russia as a whole and of its middle class in particular.

      They do not withstand competition to Koreans, Germans, Japanese, and not only in Russia but even in America itself.
      1. 0
        20 March 2015 09: 49
        Competition is fine. Opel is probably the only German who plays on the "same field" with the Koreans.
        PS I am writing about Russia.
        1. +3
          20 March 2015 10: 41
          What Opel, what Chevrolet questionable brands - according to Peter I write. Unless Mokka seems to have come out well. And so Toyota, Ford, Mitsubisi, Nissan, Volkswagen, the French and Koreans are by no means these two. For brand lovers
          1. 0
            20 March 2015 22: 37
            Budget Opel and Chevro will be bought up, with a 20% discount and everything else is the same, I think by June there will be no free cars.
      2. +1
        20 March 2015 09: 53
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        They do not withstand competition to Koreans, Germans, Japanese, and not only in Russia but even in America itself.

        Stand and how.
        http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html

        January 2015 US Vehicle Sales Rankings - Top 271 Best-Selling Vehicles In America - Every Vehicle Ranked[
        1. 0
          20 March 2015 10: 01
          OU Duc already what year with Toyota arguing for first place in the world for the production of cars.
          In theory, the margin of safety should be hoo, and the first to gather from the market
          1. 0
            20 March 2015 11: 31
            This is not GM’s first exit from the Russian market.
            Will return when the economic situation changes.
        2. 0
          20 March 2015 11: 37
          Quote: professor
          Stand and how.

          Well, what's on schedule? More than half of the cars in America are sold by foreign companies, and this is taking into account the fact that almost all budgetary organizations in the United States drive domestic cars.
          1. +1
            20 March 2015 11: 41
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            Well, what's on schedule?

            According to the graph and the links, it is clear that the American manufacturer holds its market share in spite of not quite fair competition of Asians.
            1. 0
              20 March 2015 14: 00
              Quote: professor
              According to the graph and the links, it is clear that the American manufacturer holds its market share in spite of not quite fair competition of Asians.

              This is with the fall in oil prices and the rise of the economy in the United States, in the last year, they just keep their share?
              And what is the unfair competition of Asians?
              If the Americans are good in the fatherland, then what they are suffering in Russia, it is clear that it is not our fate to drive American cars.
              1. +1
                20 March 2015 14: 10
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                This is with the fall in oil prices and the rise of the economy in the United States, in the last year, they just keep their share?

                Given that Japanese cars are better than American cars, this is not bad.

                Quote: saturn.mmm
                And what is the unfair competition of Asians?

                For example, Toyota traded on the US market without the goal of making a profit, but only with the goal of capturing the market.

                Quote: saturn.mmm
                If the Americans are good in the fatherland, then what they are suffering in Russia, it is clear that it is not our fate to drive American cars.

                The goal of any commercial organization is to profit, but you have a WHA.
                1. 0
                  20 March 2015 15: 27
                  Quote: professor
                  and you have a WHA.

                  Quote: professor
                  Given that Japanese cars are better than American

                  Something I didn’t hear so that the Japanese and Germans leave our market, and the Chinese have already grown significantly and we have a VAZ.
                  Since the people’s exodus from the USSR has changed, capitalism has come to us.
                  1. +1
                    20 March 2015 15: 56
                    Quote: saturn.mmm
                    Something I didn’t hear so that the Japanese and Germans leave our market, and the Chinese have already grown significantly and we have a VAZ.

                    The process will happen by itself because of a significant decline in demand caused by you know what.

                    Quote: saturn.mmm
                    Since the people’s exodus from the USSR has changed, capitalism has come to us.

                    Not capitalism, but lychee spray from him. However, the VAZ remained a VAZ.
                    1. -1
                      20 March 2015 16: 50
                      Quote: professor
                      The process will happen by itself because of a significant decline in demand caused by you know what.

                      The recessions and booms under capitalism are a natural tendency, if today it has failed in Russia, then over time the chain will also fail in other countries, similarly to booms.
                      Quote: professor
                      Not capitalism, but lychee spray from him. However, the VAZ remained a VAZ.

                      Spray so spray.
                      For me, there is no difference between a budget Ford and a budget VAZ.
                      1. +2
                        20 March 2015 17: 04
                        Quote: saturn.mmm
                        The recessions and booms under capitalism are a natural tendency, if today it has failed in Russia, then over time the chain will also fail in other countries, similarly to booms.

                        To build a factory, to train staff is very expensive and long. In a recession, the plant is closed, and on the rise, cars are brought from those places where the plants did not close. When they believe in the country's prospects, they build factories, but this is only when they believe.

                        Quote: saturn.mmm
                        For me, there is no difference between a budget Ford and a budget VAZ.

                        Immediately you did not see them for comparison. I now have a budget Ford manufactured in Germany, 90 thousand mileage in 25 months, except for the strange machine no complaints, repairs and refinements.
                      2. 0
                        20 March 2015 21: 16
                        Quote: professor
                        Immediately you did not see them for comparison. I now have a budget Ford manufactured in Germany, 90 thousand mileage in 25 months, except for the strange machine no complaints, repairs and refinements.

                        I know something about cars.
                        Have you traveled to the modern Lada for comparison?
                        Ford has not left the Russian market.
                        News today.
                        The American brand Ford and the German brand Volkswagen do not intend to reduce the production of their cars in the territory of the Russian Federation, and also do not intend to reduce the level of sales.
                        Volkswagen Group Rus has consistently maintained its previously planned investment program in the Russian market.
                        Ford officials say the company also continues to work as planned in the Russian Federation.
                        Recall that the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, Denis Manturov, linked the departure of General Motors to the Russian car market with high competition in conditions of low localization of production of the American auto giant in the country. Note that the automaker Ford works in conjunction with the company Sollers. “In the second half of 2015, the engine plant in Kaluga will open,” Volkswagen said.
    2. 0
      20 March 2015 11: 17
      Their sales have been falling for a long time. I looked at their wagons - not seriously paying so much for it.
    3. +3
      20 March 2015 13: 41
      Quote: professor
      Article minus. The sharks of American business spat on morality, sanctions, politics and other "intellectual" things. They (sharks) are only interested in one thing - profit.
      Only in the plant near St. Petersburg, where Chevrolet Cruze and Opel Astra were going, GM invested more than 300 million dollars. Leaving the Russian market will cost the company another 600 million.
      Leaving is only due to the fact that the company does not believe in the economic future of Russia as a whole and of its middle class in particular.


      Of course. And the US government did not have any political influence on this decision. This is just a coincidence.

      In addition, everyone knows that it is the US government that is best versed in the economic future and the rules of doing business. And the amount of US debt, which even American financiers have long broken languages ​​about, has nothing to do with outstanding economic efficiency. This is also just a coincidence and in general slander.
      1. +1
        20 March 2015 13: 49
        Quote: Mik13
        Of course. And the US government did not have any political influence on this decision. This is just a coincidence.

        American business, like any other, only matters profit.
        1. ed65b
          +2
          20 March 2015 15: 32
          Quote: professor
          Quote: Mik13
          Of course. And the US government did not have any political influence on this decision. This is just a coincidence.

          American business, like any other, only matters profit.

          Prof. you are deeply mistaken, politics is always more important than any business, to which Germany is an example to you, all the cries of business are on the side.
          1. 0
            20 March 2015 15: 58
            Quote: ed65b
            Prof. you are deeply mistaken, politics is always more important than any business, to which Germany is an example to you, all the cries of business are on the side.

            Oh no, I'm right. And the "screams of business" in Germany ... do not read Russian newspapers. There is no truth there.
            1. +3
              20 March 2015 21: 20
              Quote: professor
              Do not read Russian newspapers. There is no truth.

              The whole truth is in Ukrainian.
  14. +4
    20 March 2015 09: 16
    They said on the radio that Chevrolet and Opel had a record drop in sales in Russia - up to 80%. It was also said that GM representatives announced a possible return to the Russian market when the economic situation stabilizes.
    I think about this at AvtoVAZ arranged ritual dances around the monument VAZ2101)) for minus the competitor.
  15. 0
    20 March 2015 09: 35
    From the beginning of this entire catavasia, it feels like the iron curtain is closing again. Only now it is closing on the other side. Soon, many familiar things will become scarce. Is society ready?
    1. -1
      20 March 2015 11: 18
      Oh trouble, trouble will not be for the girls of their favorite "aveshechek". there will be girls, like suckers on "Kalina" ride
    2. +1
      20 March 2015 15: 35
      For some lobsters and lobsters, familiar things, for others buckwheat and sugar. Everything in this world is relative!
  16. +2
    20 March 2015 09: 36
    But do not you think that the departure is connected with the request from the State Department? Well and what, that sales have fallen? In total, 3 months passed, and the ship panic. Last year, there were a lot of plans: a plant for Shniva 2 was being built, equipment was specially developed for our country. And then bam ..... we leave wassat .
    After this news, probably the Koreans and the French invited the Chinese and drank to celebrate
    1. +2
      20 March 2015 10: 43
      Maybe everything is connected with the economic policies of these companies. Chevrolet always bullied prices relative to others, Opel so generally most models for women)
    2. 0
      20 March 2015 11: 27
      To spite grandmother (Putin) to freeze ears, having lost about $ 600 million?
      Americans can be suspected of anything, but not in the absence of mind!
      1. 0
        20 March 2015 12: 24
        and how much would they lose if they continued to rivet expensive cars from imported components? so tally-tear
        1. 0
          20 March 2015 12: 40
          So I write about this, that the reason is not political, but economic.
  17. +2
    20 March 2015 09: 54
    Then piss off! From such "friends" the whole head is covered with scars.
  18. 0
    20 March 2015 10: 19
    pffff ...
    Scared a hedgehog naked p ..
    There are plenty of other good cars!
    1. 0
      20 March 2015 22: 36
      Quote: maxim-zero
      pffff ...
      Scared a hedgehog naked p ..
      There are plenty of other good cars!

      At the moment I'm using the Lacetti. The car is simple, unpretentious. If necessary, I buy Chinese spare parts. Even after the double jump, the dollar is not worried about the price. At a friend's "cruise", he also always managed with China. Moreover, the comparison of "conveyor" and Chinese products is not in the first place in terms of quality. That is, any Korean "Chevrolet" after the end of the warranty disappeared from dealer service. Although I waved my hand to the dealers before the end of the warranty. Politics has nothing to do with it, there are no prospects which means they have nothing to do here.
      The only thing I have is a shack, and there is an Uzbek version of it. And what about the owners of Crusoe, sparks, malls? Although, as regarding the departure of GM, some analyst from the radio expressed the opinion - this is a reason for filing lawsuits. And under the WTO, no sanctions will help.
  19. 0
    20 March 2015 10: 35
    Our grandfathers took their European tour on tanks, not on American papelats ...
    1. 0
      20 March 2015 11: 22
      Oh bad post laughing
      Our grandfathers had American pepelats. And not a little
      1. +1
        20 March 2015 11: 49
        When I was at the American Museum of Military Equipment, I asked a veteran grandfather a caretaker, where are the Studebakers? He said that they were all sent to Russia)
        1. 0
          20 March 2015 11: 53
          Pure truth! And the cars that survived the war were returned to the USSR under the terms of the Lend-Lease agreement in the USA, where they were put under pressure.
  20. 0
    20 March 2015 10: 41
    There is information that during the Nazi rule in Germany, GM, that is, the Americans, continued to finance Opel. And there they also released fighting vehicles
  21. -2
    20 March 2015 10: 50
    Americans out of Russia with their shit wheels. We will ride on their own and Korean. laughing
  22. 0
    20 March 2015 11: 12
    Yes, there is no politics here. Everything is much simpler - GM has sunk very much in the Russian market, in recent 7-8 years.
    Whatever tooth the Americans sharpen on Russia, no one will close the plant on its territory, while incurring losses of ~ $ 600 million.
  23. +1
    20 March 2015 11: 19
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    What Opel, what Chevrolet questionable brands - according to Peter I write. Unless Mokka seems to have come out well. And so Toyota, Ford, Mitsubisi, Nissan, Volkswagen, the French and Koreans are by no means these two. For brand lovers


    Each Opel eventually turns into a Muscovite.
    Opel is an eternal car, bought - you will not sell, you will drive forever
    Well, there are many more such sayings about this brand. So good luck guys
  24. -1
    20 March 2015 11: 24
    Let them clean with their marriages! The cruise has a serious jamb with a cooling system, after 40 thousand mileage the thermostat breaks and this is a very low mileage, there are enough jambs with this GM, it’s a dirty but raw hat am
  25. +1
    20 March 2015 11: 24
    and where is politics, why attract the ears of malicious intent and other nonsense?
    you look at the prices of the same cruise (under the lam), and at the same time on sales in 2015, they are striving for zero, this is a complete failure.
    Yes, and with Opel, there is nowhere worse.
    when the Citroen and Peugeot are dumped, the measures are also to blame, people think, do not turn into horses!
    1. 0
      20 March 2015 13: 21
      Dear, it would be absolutely correct if there would be profit and a state dep, closed my eyes, a purely economic approach, the standard of living fell many times, a weak ruble, these are the reasons for leaving and these are not the last companies, there will still be
    2. 0
      20 March 2015 13: 22
      Dear, it would be absolutely correct if there would be profit and a state dep, closed my eyes, a purely economic approach, the standard of living fell many times, a weak ruble, these are the reasons for leaving and these are not the last companies, there will still be
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  27. 0
    20 March 2015 14: 40
    after a while, everything will normalize in our country and the car market will rise. And those who faded from it will no longer be let in by those who remain with us. There are cases when concerns sold cars at a loss, just to save a place in the market. It is easy to leave the market, but it’s difficult to return ... Opel’s departure from our market will hit him, maybe not right away, but he will hit and run to GM to consider the lost profit, but it will be too late.
  28. +2
    20 March 2015 15: 10
    It’s very bad that a company that produces very good cars from an inexpensive segment of Aveo and Cruz leaves very good cars, I myself am the owner of Aveo 2014, everyone likes the machine very much, I hope the service will not immediately collapse to service these cars. And about the type of our auto prom will start making cars, this can only happen in competition.
    1. 0
      20 March 2015 22: 49
      According to the Lacetti and Lanos (they have a similar nomenclature for many details), there are a lot of high-quality China. On avechki, I think that the Chinese parts in bulk, too. And the dealer is expensive. The Internet will help you, and you will find in any city an alternative service specializing in the crafts of this Korean manufacturer.
  29. ed65b
    0
    20 March 2015 15: 37
    The level of automotive industry quality has fallen around the world, to compare the indestructible engine and chassis even with the beginning of the 90s among the Japanese with the present, land and sky, this fully applies to America and Europe. About the Koreans generally keep quiet, cars made of cardboard.
    1. 0
      20 March 2015 15: 57
      I went to zero at first on the Corolla, then on RAV4 - except I didn’t go to the service.
  30. -1
    20 March 2015 15: 40
    Nonsense !!!! We need to do more armored personnel carriers and tanks, and we will ride on a public .....
  31. 0
    20 March 2015 15: 46
    And I see no reason for sadness, not the best cars (with regards to Chevrolet).
    1. +3
      20 March 2015 16: 03
      Quote: Para bellum
      And I see no reason for sadness, not the best cars (with regards to Chevrolet).

      Workers and engineers dismissed from the factory, of course, are waiting for the turn of employers at the checkpoint ... Is not it?
      1. 0
        20 March 2015 22: 53
        Quote: professor
        Quote: Para bellum
        And I see no reason for sadness, not the best cars (with regards to Chevrolet).

        Workers and engineers dismissed from the factory, of course, are waiting for the turn of employers at the checkpoint ... Is not it?

        With Ford already shouting in St. Petersburg.
  32. +4
    20 March 2015 16: 15
    All this once again reminds us that no one will sell modern technology (as it was with Opel). It is necessary to develop the most nasty things themselves, many do not believe that we can. It affects the time when everything that was not related to the defense industry was treated as a burden. Therefore, there was neither a car nor a washing machine of good quality.
    As for technology, it would be nice for our thick-assed gentlemen to tear these places from their seats and get down to business. The country was always full of talented people and interesting developments.
    https://auto.mail.ru/article/43995-5_avtomobilei_kotorye_my_poteryali/
    As for the "Chevrolet", it is no coincidence that the people say: "They won't give up on a good car."
  33. 0
    20 March 2015 16: 28
    Quote: professor
    Quote: Para bellum
    And I see no reason for sadness, not the best cars (with regards to Chevrolet).

    Workers and engineers dismissed from the factory, of course, are waiting for the turn of employers at the checkpoint ... Is not it?

    Probably should be very well asked? Suddenly agree to stay?
  34. +1
    20 March 2015 17: 37
    The car is not a luxury, but a means of transportation. To organize comfortable movement for everyone is the best motto of our time.) I think so ..)
  35. 0
    20 March 2015 18: 42
    The people still have no money, with such a "wild price tag" for cars.
  36. Dill82
    0
    20 March 2015 18: 52
    VAZ is your everything wink
  37. +2
    20 March 2015 19: 23
    Such "good" machines are being exterminated in the Russian people by the Kulibins and Polzunovs. Soon we will be like amers with their ... my car will only be serviced by an auto center named after Obama ... Gentlemen, it looks like nothing will remain of the Russian mentality if we do not develop our auto industry.
    1. 0
      20 March 2015 21: 43
      What is there to develop if the level of vaziks 2121, 2108 and 2109 1987-92. managed to prosrat quality, now try to find normal parts at least a year away. New models ??? Yeah, a plastic radiator for our roads, well, there’s just the light of automotive industry, you’ll go for a year and it’s like a new car, you have to climb into it or drive it to a service, because everything starts to rustle.
      UAZ 469, everything, no matter how hard they try to jump, they can't, they stuck the diesel engine - it barely crawls, a new box with a 5th step, well done now tears in the mud just try to slip. About nothing . Until you learn to do it normally, no one will need this new domestic auto industry for a "male genital organ".
  38. 0
    20 March 2015 22: 27
    So you can quit and run to save a stupid life only if you know for sure that very soon there will be a war, either external or internal.
  39. 0
    20 March 2015 22: 59
    And Pikulenko with the "echo of the mask" has a Cadillac.
    This I mean, who will not lose the Korean devices from GM. And the "happy" owners of overseas handicrafts ... in general, it was not necessary to take not our assembly.
  40. 0
    21 March 2015 03: 54
    We have almost no cars of our own, everything is tied to foreign brands. I myself move on "Remoult", and I'm fucking bad, excellent technique. So I didn't give a damn about GM, and especially a Chevrolet. It's another matter if all Europeans leave our market, then it’s definitely a disaster. I will never be on the "Lada", it's time to write off this bucket of bolts for scrap. Will we have something new, truly our own, or apart from armored personnel carriers and trucks, we cannot invent anything worthwhile?

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