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Unsuccessful copies of the Kalashnikov

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One of the most common and recognizable types of automatic in the world weapons is a Kalashnikov assault rifle. It is copied not only by the developers of computer games, but also by many real weapons manufacturers around the world. For all history Since the existence of the Kalashnikov, more than a hundred of its modifications have been designed and manufactured, but most of these copies were unsuccessful. All attempts to surpass the legendary weapon on the characteristics failed miserably. However, there were so unsuccessful modifications in the history that they should be discussed in more detail.

Among a large number of modifications of the Kalashnikov assault rifle, the most common in our time are those samples that were produced in different years in the countries of the so-called Warsaw Pact: Hungary, Romania, Poland. By and large, the partners of the Soviet Union chose the path of least resistance and began producing licensed weapons according to the principle “they took the best from the original, added a little of their own.” In the end, the imagination of the Romanian gunsmiths went so far that in the world such not-so-ordinary automatons appeared, like the RM Md.65 and the RA Md.86.



Initially, a Kalashnikov assault rifle was adopted in Romania under the designation RM Md.63, and a copy of it was launched at the weapons factory. Structurally, the PM Md.63 was an exact copy of the AK with a gas engine of automation, automatic and single firing modes, air-cooled barrel and magazine power. The only difference was in the modified form of the forearm: its lower part was made together with an additional handle, which became a proprietary feature of the Romanian automaton.



In 1965, the production of the PM Md.65 modification was started, which differed from the base version with a metal butt that folded down and forward, as well as with the shape of an additional handle installed on the forearm, which was bent in the other direction.

For civilians began to produce semi-automatic rifles, which differed from the military versions of the lack of automatic firing mode.

The weight of the Romanian copy was 3,6 kg, the magazine contained 30 cartridges. The initial speed of the bullet reached 715 m / s, sighting range of shooting - 1 km, rate of fire - 600 shots per minute.

In 1990, the Romanians began the production of the RM Md.90 modification, which differed from the basic version only with a wire butt that was folded to the right, and with an additional handle on the forearm. For the armament of the crews of combat vehicles and special forces, the PM Md.90 model was created with a shortened barrel, a new flame arrester and a front sight transferred to the gas outlet tube.

Unsuccessful copies of the Kalashnikov


As for the copy of the Soviet AK - RM Md.86, it appeared after Romania refused to acquire a license to manufacture Kalashnikov machines adapted to the new caliber 5,45x39 mm. The Romanian gunsmiths decided to independently adapt for the new cartridge those machines that were in service with the national army - the RM Md.63 and the RM Md.65. As a result, an automatic rifle with a folding and fixed butt, which received the designation PM Md.86, appeared. Its weight was 3,1 kg, the store placed 30 cartridges. The initial speed of the bullet reached 880 m / s, sighting range - 1 km.

Structurally, this modification is an exact copy of the Soviet machine gun with some changes: a metal wire butt folding to the right, a muzzle brake, a trigger mechanism with a ratchet device and a special lever, which allowed not only automatic or single firing, but also firing in bursts of three shots. From a sample of the Md.63 PM, gunsmiths borrowed the lower part of the forearm with an additional handle. In addition, the receiver on the left was provided with the ability to install mounts for night and optical sights. The possibility of installing a grenade launcher was also provided.

A shortened copy was also developed for special forces and crews of combat vehicles.

From the original Kalashnikov assault rifle, these samples differed in a very unusual shape of almost all components - the size and shape of the butt, forearm. But of particular note is the love of the Romanian gunsmiths for the placement of additional arms made of wood in the very first Romanian versions. Such a technical solution can not be explained by anything but a personal initiative.

According to the head of the tactical shooting center and an expert in the field of small arms I. Zenchuk, he was shocked by the first Romanian modifications of the Kalashnikov machine gun, and had never experienced such aesthetic horror before. If AK Soviet-made can be used without any problems, then the Romanian version needs a long time to get used to. Romanians experimented with their first modifications, making a muzzle cut of an unusual shape, attaching unnecessary handles, shortening the trunk. From the original, almost nothing is left except a reliable mechanism. Therefore, Zenchuk notes, he would not like to be in a battle with a machine gun of Romanian production.

In addition to its unusual form, Romanian modifications were characterized by low quality workmanship. They were usually used during the years of armed conflict in the Middle East, where these weapons were supplied in all possible ways under the designation AIMS and AIM. It was very easy to distinguish a Romanian copy from a real Russian machine gun - on the third day of using the Romanian clone was simply falling apart.



Polish copies of the Kalashnikov assault rifle, which are known in the world as Tantal, cannot please with their quality either. Officially, the work on Polish copies began in 1984 in Radom, in the Center for Research and Development. By the next year, the tactical and technical characteristics of the machine were approved, and by the end of 1985, the first factory tests of the sample were carried out. In 1986, the first batch of weapons entered for qualification tests.

Structurally, the Polish clone was created on the model of a Kalashnikov assault rifle chambered for 5,45 mm, while gunsmiths tried to preserve as much as possible the nodes and parts of the Soviet original. Since the new weapon should be able to shoot rifle grenades, designers needed to create a muzzle multifunctional device that would differ from the Soviet one with a strong folding butt. In addition, the new machine was equipped with a queue length limiter.

By the end of the 1987, the machine gun was re-designed, and some parts and assemblies were improved: the bolt, bolt carrier and shops interchangeable with AK-74 were used. After conducting all the necessary tests, in 1991, the Polish machine gun entered service with the Polish Army.

"Tantalum" is an automatic self-loading weapon, which operates on the principle of removal of powder gases through the side hole of the barrel. Its mass reaches 4 kg, the initial velocity of the bullet is 880 m / s, the rate of fire is 700 rounds per minute. Chrome-plated bore, bolted to the right. The weapon is protected from an accidental shot by an adjustable safety lock that blocks the descent and limits the movement of the slide frame. Butt folded on the right side, can be replaced with a permanent wooden butt from a Kalashnikov assault rifle. Receiving pad and handguard made of plastic. The power supply of the machine - shop, is carried out from the dual-charge sector store on 30 cartridges, made of tin or plastic.

Sights consist of a front sight and a sector sight. It is possible to install additional sighting devices that make it possible to conduct shooting at night. In the volume of the main equipment, the machine is also equipped with three spare shops, a bayonet, a bipod, four 15 holders for cartridges, a portable belt, holders for holders, a pencil case, a magazine pouch.

Theoretically, the Polish version was supposed to be much better, lighter and more modern than the classic Kalashnikov machine gun, but it turned out exactly the opposite. And all because the Poles sought to make an even cheaper sample in production, which led to a sharp decrease in the reliability of the mechanisms of this weapon compared to the original. Polish copy constantly misfired.

According to the weapons expert and military historian Oleg Radashvili, the Poles, like the Romanians, made a very big strategic mistake - they decided to improve the receiver and work on the mechanism. In addition, the Poles decided that the original machine gun was too heavy, so they began to add plastic handles, to invent new butts, that is, they only worsened the normal design. In the end, in the 4 production year (1990-1994), the Poles managed to produce up to 25 thousands of such “reliable” machines, after which the program was closed. Currently, the lion's share of Polish copies of the Kalashnikov assault rifle is in service with the Middle East, while the Poles themselves have re-armed and are using NATO weapons.



However, the Romanian, Hungarian and Polish copies in the world are used to, so no one will be able to surprise them. What can not be said about the Iraqi clone of the legendary Kalashnikov assault rifle. The very fact that Iraq began developing its own automaton based on the Russian original looks quite ambiguous. The Tabuk Iraqi machine was originally conceived as the most common copy of a Kalashnikov machine gun with minor changes to the handle and forearm, but the quality of it and the degree of reliability left much to be desired.

The Tabuk self-loading sniper rifle was developed in 1978 year. It was based on the Zastava M76 sniper rifle manufactured by Yugoslavia, which was created on the basis of the Soviet Kalashnikov assault rifle.

The Iraqi copy's sighting range was 800 m, the initial speed of the bullet was 740 m / s, the weight reached 4,5 kg with an empty magazine and an optical sight. The power supply of the machine was made from a carob shop on 10, 20 and 30 cartridges. The difference of the Iraqi clone from the original lay in the particular structure of the firing mechanism, which allowed only single shooting. The barrel is heavy; a flame arrester is placed on the muzzle. The removal of powder gases occurs from the bore. Butt frame, in the lower part of the forearm, you can attach an additional support handle. The receiver on the left provides mounting of various optical devices. In addition, a fixed front sight and a sector sight are permanently mounted.

According to an expert in the field of small arms and an instructor in fire training, Roman Vyaznik, the Iraqi copy is quite ambiguous. For whatever reason, Iraq decided to create its own version of the Kalashnikov assault rifle - it is not clear. Iraqis also decided, like the Romanians, to experiment with the dimensions. As a result, a copy of them turned out on whole 10, see shorter than the original, and besides with an unfit butt. Moreover, the Iraqi gunsmiths decided that their model could well do without an automatic shooting mode, which is impossible to understand at all. According to the expert, the Iraqis among all those who tried to remake the AK, spoiled it the most. A complete failure completes the use of the Chinese M43 cartridges, which simply crumbled.



Another unsuccessful copy worth mentioning is Chinese Type-56. After cooling relations between the Soviet Union and China in China, they came to the conclusion that it was necessary to create their own Kalashnikov assault rifle.

"Type-56" was adopted by the Chinese army in 1956 year. Until 1973, its manufacturer was the 66 plant, but later production was established at Norinco’s factories.

It should be noted that the Type-56 machine gun is not only a copy of the Russian Kalashnikov machine gun, but can also serve as a vivid example of confusion in terminology: the Type-56 assault rifle is 87,4 cm in length, while the Type-56 carbine »Longer than a meter. And at the same time, the carbine was at all times considered a shorter weapon than a rifle.

The Chinese rifle exists in three versions: with a constant butt and a folding bayonet, with the butt folded to the right, with the butt folded down. Its weight reaches 3,8 kg, food - store, on 30 cartridges. The rate of fire is 600 shots per minute.

The Chinese copy of the Type-56 is almost completely analogous to the Kalashnikov machine gun, with the exception of the needle bayonet, which can be folded down and back in the stowed position. In earlier versions, the barrel, bolt group and gas piston were not chrome-plated, which led to a decrease in the survivability of these parts.

The Chinese not only copied the original to the smallest details and assemblies, but also managed to maintain a relatively good quality of materials. The only fundamental difference between the Chinese copy and the original was in the bayonet, which with the help of a special mechanism could be simply folded, as well as in the fully-closed front sight.

The main features of the Chinese clone have become cheap and overall reliability. This allowed for many years to release up to 15 millions of copies of AK. Thus, China can be called the best in terms of copying Soviet armaments, since not a single state in the world has been able to manufacture the Kalashnikovs, while maintaining the high quality of the weapons. A little later, the Chinese began to stamp Type-86 assault rifles, equipped with an elongated barrel, and after some time, the AKS-223 assault rifle, adapted to the NATO cartridge 5,56x45.

Thus, it is quite obvious that such a large number of copies of the Kalashnikov assault rifle in the world, which have appeared over several decades, is evidence that the quality and simplicity of Soviet weapons, as well as their constructive usability and low cost, are the main arguments in the selection. To determine the exact number of copies of the Kalashnikov assault rifle, which until now have been released worldwide, is simply impossible, because it has long exceeded the mark of one hundred million copies.

Until now, the Kalashnikov assault rifle remains one of the most popular and sought-after automats in the world, and its production has been adjusted even in America. But the high quality for which this weapon was famous in the Soviet years was only managed to be preserved by the gunsmiths of modern Russia.

Materials used:
http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201503120852-elli.htm
http://m.diary.ru/~Neyar/p135306581.htm?oam
http://weapon.at.ua/publ/14-1-0-131
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  1. Lyubimov
    Lyubimov 20 March 2015 06: 25
    +26
    Great constructor! Everlasting memory!
    1. Aleksandr72
      Aleksandr72 20 March 2015 10: 28
      +10
      I fully support you! But the question arises how the photo of the Yugoslavian machine gun "Zastava" M-64V (aka M-70A) is related to the article - as far as I know, this is far from the worst copy of the AK. Even with an outdated (in comparison with AKM) receiver design - milled, not stamped. But, the workmanship of the Yugoslavian machines was quite high and I did not hear bad reviews about them, unlike the Chinese and Romanian AKs, not to mention all kinds of Arab and other oriental crafts, often made in a semi-handicraft way.
      1. Argon
        Argon 20 March 2015 11: 11
        +3
        Yugoslav assault rifles can fire with barreled grenades, practically the required strength is not provided, the exhaust pipe is loosened after 4 rounds, after 14 rounds with a grenade, it is often almost impossible to fire rifle cartridges.
        1. Aleksandr72
          Aleksandr72 20 March 2015 11: 17
          +7
          Everything is correct, but only if it comes to firing rifle grenades - trombones when using barrel nozzles with the overlap of the exhaust pipe. And so, if you do not use a machine gun for firing grenades, then the Yugoslav variants of the AK show good performance. The design of the AK did not initially provide for shooting with rifle grenades, these are the Poles with the Yugoslavs perverted. For me, if there is a need for firing grenades from small arms, you only need to use an under-barrel grenade launcher such as our GP-25 and company, or Amersky M203. Which by the way also does not have the best effect on the strength and durability of the design of the machine gun (assault rifle).
          1. gross kaput
            gross kaput 20 March 2015 12: 22
            0
            A question for connoisseurs is five - when using the GP-25, there is one interesting requirement to take into account the shot of a grenade launcher from a specific machine with a reflection of it in the card on the machine - what is this connected with?
            1. Old_kapitan
              Old_kapitan 20 March 2015 12: 51
              +4
              So in the post Alexander 72 already contains the answer:
              Which by the way also does not have the best effect on the strength and durability of the design of the machine gun (assault rifle).
            2. rostov-dad
              rostov-dad 20 March 2015 22: 57
              +1
              watch the time-lapse video of firing from a grenade launcher, the Kalash from recoil all wriggles like a snake, after two hundred shots from a grenade launcher, the machine is handed over to the weapons workshop for verification
              1. gross kaput
                gross kaput 20 March 2015 23: 11
                +3
                Quote: Rostov-Dad
                two hundred shots from a grenade launcher are delivered to the weapons workshop for verification

                In principle, true except for two small nuances
                allowable shot at the machine gun from 400 shots.
                the second nuance, very small, that’s what the trouble is - we haven’t yet invented the gunsmith who can guarantee a defect in the machine after 400 shots from the GP laughing - therefore, after this attack, the further operation of the GP on this machine is simply prohibited, about which, in theory laughing , entries in cards and forms must be made.
            3. Mihail28
              Mihail28 14 October 2018 22: 50
              0
              Specifically, the problem is the strength of the receiver. The stamped box was not originally designed for such loads.
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      2. artalex32010
        artalex32010 21 March 2015 00: 06
        0
        The photo shows the Iraqi Tabuk assault rifle, which in turn is a copy of the Yugoslavian Zastava M-70AB and M-70B1 assault rifles.
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  2. redcod
    redcod 20 March 2015 06: 35
    +10
    AK is a time machine, or better to say "timeless"!
  3. _umka_
    _umka_ 20 March 2015 07: 09
    +4
    It’s high time for the Chinese to ask for copies.
    1. Alex_Popovson
      Alex_Popovson 20 March 2015 09: 22
      +4
      Are you seriously? Have you heard anything about patents?
      1. ROMANO
        ROMANO 20 March 2015 18: 40
        +2
        So, the terms of patents have long expired. And the production of generic clones continues.
        However, if we don't "ask" about the clones of An-12, Il-76, or S-300, then about the "clone" of AK, and even more so.
  4. fomkin
    fomkin 20 March 2015 07: 31
    +5
    In the 70s, I personally saw a Romanian AK with a third handle, it looks funny. The corresponding statements immediately come to mind, which are immediately blocked on "VO".
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 20 March 2015 08: 52
      +6
      Quote: fomkin
      I saw a Romanian AK with a third pen,

      And what are two more? wink
    2. science fiction writer
      science fiction writer 20 March 2015 12: 57
      +3
      Quote: fomkin
      In the 70s, I personally saw a Romanian AK with a third handle, it looks funny. The corresponding statements immediately come to mind, which are immediately blocked on "VO".

      In 97 I was in Romania, too, I watched this miracle, I want to speak out from the heart, but I can resist negative
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 23 March 2015 15: 48
        0
        What is the third handle on the machine for? Three-armed soldier never seen.
  5. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 20 March 2015 07: 32
    0
    Yes, it's interesting ... we couldn't even "copy" exactly - some kind of byaka all the time turned out. :)
  6. inkass_98
    inkass_98 20 March 2015 08: 05
    +13
    So to speak, one and for all time!
  7. Hubun
    Hubun 20 March 2015 08: 20
    +4
    how much money Russia has lost due to shameless AK piracy
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 23 March 2015 15: 51
      0
      This is because even Khrushchev began anyhow to distribute AK licenses for free, although this is unprecedented in the world history of licensing.
  8. tchoni
    tchoni 20 March 2015 09: 08
    +3
    I heard about a Chinese clone from senior comrades who had once visited Afghanistan that it was possible to shoot from this crap only single-handedly. It is worth releasing the store in one turn - the entire trunk began to spit .... And in general, the mechanism worked harder .....
    1. rostov-dad
      rostov-dad 20 March 2015 23: 12
      +1
      a friend also fought in Afghanistan once, and talked about the Chinese clone who came to them, said that in the trunk the rifling started from the middle of the channel, I really don’t know whether or not
  9. Prometheus
    Prometheus 20 March 2015 10: 08
    +4
    The highest quality copies were made in the GDR. There was a series of articles on the VO about copies, in particular, about Hungarian and German.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 20 March 2015 17: 42
      +3
      They did so well in the GDR that their AK production is still probably in service with the Bundeswehr. In any case, "Vessey" adopted them after the collapse of the GDR.
  10. Chukcha
    Chukcha 20 March 2015 10: 15
    +12
    Add the famous fake video:

    1. 0255
      0255 20 March 2015 10: 38
      +2
      I have not seen such a video! Thanks, laughed laughing
    2. zubkoff46
      zubkoff46 20 March 2015 17: 36
      0
      Fuck yourself!
  11. Pimply
    Pimply 20 March 2015 10: 22
    -7
    The conclusion, to be honest, is controversial. Given the complaints about the quality of machines of the last 20 years
    1. Alexey Lobanov
      Alexey Lobanov 20 March 2015 13: 09
      +3
      Quote: Pimply
      The conclusion, to be honest, is controversial. Given the complaints about the quality of machines of the last 20 years


      Such statements on the VO need to be accompanied by evidence of factual material, so as not to be known as an empty bell ...
      1. Dali
        Dali 20 March 2015 15: 38
        +7
        Yes, Mr. Puryrchaty simply cannot live without it, so as not to poop on Russia ...

        But that's why the Russian flag is hiding then ... no courage to admit who and where ...

        Everything is very clearly visible in his profile comments.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 20 March 2015 19: 26
          -7
          Quote: Dali
          Yes, Mr. Puryrchaty simply cannot live without it, so as not to poop on Russia ...

          Oh, honestly what? You see, my friend, when they’re doing it gamut, and they are joyfully shouting that sweetie - it doesn’t stop being gamma.
          When they shout that they have no analogues, your opponents don’t care about it, because they just work.
          Patriotism is not about throwing hats into the air, forgive me.
          1. aws4
            aws4 23 March 2015 05: 40
            +2
            I agree with you on the account of the quality of execution .... there was an operating experience of the ak74 of production from the beginning of the 80s transferred to another part there it served with the ak74m which was 3-4 years old at that time ... the condition is terrible, the manufacture is terrible .. let's tell the truth ak74m this is not a modernization of the ak74 but a cheaper model in a rougher performance ...
            1. gross kaput
              gross kaput 23 March 2015 10: 34
              +2
              Quote: aws4
              let's tell the truth ak74m this is not a modernization of ak74

              Well, let's tell the truth - indeed, the M index for the AK-74M is not entirely correct - from all the modernization it has an increase in the length of the DTK seat by a couple of millimeters - to reduce pitching, the piston without annular grooves, a thicker SC cover and a folding polyamide stock are a cross between late polyamide butts AK-74 and the mechanism for fixing folding butts AKS-74. More correct for him would be the index "H" - "normalized", but in AK-like this index was already occupied by night versions (we have such a concept when a single sample introduced instead of different masses of the same type was called a normalized example of BM-13N).
              Quote: aws4
              cheaper model in a rougher performance ...

              And this is no longer true - the AK-74M is a single sample for all introduced instead of all the varieties - AK-74, AKS-74, AK-74N, AKS-74N, in addition, it initially had a return mechanism with an additional lock for using GP.
              As for the quality of workmanship, I completely agree here, but with a small amendment - the quality of our weapons began to decline back in the 80s, but a terrible failure happened in the 90s (I remember when I was young I received three PMs from the late 90s in the warehouse and after half a year happily pushed them back - all three had their main springs sagged during this time (violation of heat treatment) and the quality of the coating was such that if the owner did not wipe it with oil on top before handing over the pistol to the gun, then after a couple of days the shutter was covered with a red coating, this bald pistol of the 50-60s, which stood in the same closet for a long time, did not care about the high humidity). Now, according to the manufacturers, the quality has increased, but independent comrades do not confirm this - it is enough to read the article by Dragunov on the VKS "Exhaust" and not even go into the technical specifications to see what he writes about the quality of a sniper (!) Small-scale rifle.
          2. aws4
            aws4 April 26 2015 04: 06
            +2
            let them minus as much as you like, I’m on your side ... the one who used automatic machines of 70-80 years of production and after using Russian remakes he knows that now full G ... do .. Prove something to the virtual programmers who sincerely believe that -ak74m this is a cool upgrade and not a cheapened model with terrible quality, it is not necessary for them but the country's leadership))))))))))))
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      3. Pimply
        Pimply 20 March 2015 19: 24
        -7
        Quote: Alexey Lobanov
        Such statements on the VO need to be accompanied by evidence of factual material, so as not to be known as an empty bell ...

        And what will serve as factual material for you?
        Well, so that I would not waste time and throw you links, and then you would not wrinkle your nose - no, that’s not it, there’s not enough authority, I just need an order from the Ministry of Defense, and then I need an order from another minister. What level of factual material is suitable?
  12. Horst78
    Horst78 20 March 2015 13: 51
    +6
    Thus, China can be called the best in terms of copying Soviet weapons, since no state in the world has managed to establish the production of Kalashnikov assault rifles, while maintaining high quality weapons.
    Is this a joke? belay
    And where is the review of the AK of the GDR, Yugoslavia, and finally Finland?
    Article is nonsense. And yes, the Poles have an AK variant under the cartridge 5,56x45 (I don’t remember the name, Google can help you wassat ) All with Friday drinks
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 20 March 2015 14: 27
      +1
      - "Beryl" ... The machine was designed both for 7.62X39 and 5.56, Tantalum for 5.45 did not seem to go into the series ...
    2. BIGLESHIY
      BIGLESHIY 22 March 2015 14: 07
      0
      Czechs still made AK.
  13. gross kaput
    gross kaput 20 March 2015 14: 11
    +6
    I don’t understand why you got this "opus"? because of patriotism?
    Let's start in order - These samples differed from the original Kalashnikov assault rifle in a very unusual form of almost all components - the size and shape of the stock, forend. But it should be especially noted the love of the Romanian gunsmiths for the placement of additional handles made of wood in the very first Romanian versions. - Well, as it were, the wooden butt of the Romanians are copies of the Soviet, the front arms besides them were made by the Hungarians - AMD-63 / AMD-65, and RM Md.90, which differed from the basic version only with a wire butt, which folded to the right Romanians borrowed this butt from Deutsche from the GDR and from the very same Hungarians. As a result, something somehow strange turns out among the Hungarians and Deutsche is all buzzing and the Romanians
    According to the head of the tactical shooting center and expert in the field of small arms I. Zenchuk, he was shocked by the first Romanian modifications of the Kalashnikov assault rifle, and had never experienced such aesthetic horror (And by the way, what kind of expert is this - from another guru like Potapov?) By the way, this butt is much better than AKMS butt (much less backlash) butt AKS-74, it plays in terms of stiffness but has a big plus in that it allows you to install optics with the butt folded . I will not say anything about the resource for three days, I’ll just remind you that the Romanians riveted AK under the license of the USSR and according to the general requirements for the ATS shooting range i.e. the quality may be worse than the Soviet one but not so much.
  14. gross kaput
    gross kaput 20 March 2015 14: 30
    +2
    Let's go further - the Poles are more correct "tantalum" And all because the Poles sought to make an even cheaper sample in production, which led to a sharp decrease in the reliability of the mechanisms of this weapon compared to the original. The Polish copy was constantly misfiring.
    Since when does the complication of the design (the introduction of a cutoff, the output of a duplicate flag to the left side) lead to a reduction in cost? And where does such "sacred" knowledge about the constant misfire come from? I am tormented by the thought - the author was generally too lazy to read the description of "tantalum"?
    According to weapons expert and military historian Oleg Radashvili, the Poles, like the Romanians, made a very big strategic mistake - they decided to improve the receiver I wonder how they improved it? as far as I remember the main parts that the Romanians have that the Poles are interchangeable with their respective Soviet models. and again the same question - I’ve been digging into the weapons topic for more than twenty years - but I hear about such an expert for the first time. PS to the question of the quality of the Poles - if you do not touch the union, then in the Department of Internal Affairs the best workmanship and materials were just the same for Deutsche and the Poles.
    And as for the removal of tantalum from production, it would not hurt the author to learn the story and find out when Poland joined NATO, and the real shock for him will probably be that instead of Tantalum under 5,45X39, the Poles immediately launched Beryl into production tantalum itself but under 5,56mm.
  15. gross kaput
    gross kaput 20 March 2015 14: 46
    0
    we went further Iraq - the author didn’t really understand what he was writing about - whether it was about Tabuk sniper - a cross between the Yugoslav PKK and the Yugoslav sniper M-76, or about the Iraqi clone of the Yugoslav M70ab2 known in the West as Iraqi Tabuk AKM - but anyway and there and there again with a finger to heaven According to Roman Vyaznik, an expert in small arms and a fire training instructor, the Iraqi copy is very mixed. For what reason, Iraq decided to create its own version of the Kalashnikov assault rifle - it is not clear. The Iraqis also decided, like the Romanians, to experiment with the dimensions. As a result, their copy turned out to be as much as 10 cm shorter than the original, and besides, with an unusable butt. Moreover, Iraqi gunsmiths decided where he digs out such "experts" if we are talking about a sniper, then it is longer than the AK, if about the Tabuk AKM, then it is identical in size to the AKM, the only thing heavier.
    I don’t even want to disassemble the Chinese
  16. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 20 March 2015 15: 56
    0
    It is unlikely that someone sought to improve (where they, one-armed and three-fingered!). Cheaper - yes! The desire for cheapness - the volley-nevolen leads to a deterioration in performance characteristics. Many buyers were satisfied with this butor. Conclusion - not all AKM that shoots. Mark is still doing his thing.
    1. gross kaput
      gross kaput 20 March 2015 16: 34
      0
      the greatest knowledge in the subject! laughing
      Will there be examples, or did you pass by?
  17. uwzek
    uwzek 20 March 2015 17: 38
    +1
    And this at the same time, that a carbine at all times was considered a shorter weapon than a rifle.

    In many countries, a carbine was called a cavalry weapon, which differed in the position of the sling swivels for the belt. The 1997 Mauser carbine is longer than the corresponding infantry rifle. And the Poles, by the way, call the rifle a carbine, their shortened version is a carbine ...
    This is from the Zhukovsky weapons guide ...
  18. s1н7т
    s1н7т 20 March 2015 17: 49
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    Quote: gross kaput
    By the way, this butt is much better than the AKMS butt (much less backlash) of the AKS-74 butt it loses in terms of rigidity but has a big plus in that it allows you to install optics with the butt folded

    I have not met AKMS with a backlash butt. And the optics on my AKMSN2 butt did not interfere even once. drinks
    1. gross kaput
      gross kaput 20 March 2015 19: 24
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      Quote: c1n7
      I have not met AKMS with a backlash butt

      The stock is loosening (and quite quickly - I had 15 pieces in the AKMS office, all of the second category and everyone had a shat to one degree or another, once I saw the training AKMS brought by the students to such a state that the play was 10 degrees) and the backlash lifted up - down, greetings from the MP-38 under the pistol cartridge.
      Quote: c1n7
      And the optics on my AKMSN2 butt did not interfere even once

      Reread the post carefully - we talked about optics in relation to the folding frame AKS-74.
      1. gross kaput
        gross kaput 20 March 2015 20: 10
        +1
        Now I was not too lazy to open a smart book - Repair manual for AKM / AKMS, Section for fault detection and repair of a folding stock - "In the combat position of a folding stock, its vertical pitching is allowed up to 10 mm "- so you still have everything ahead smile
      2. vomag
        vomag 20 March 2015 20: 38
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        Then I support Gross at 100 and the shuttle and play, but about MP
  19. gladcu2
    gladcu2 20 March 2015 19: 11
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    I watched a video from the Americans on YouTube. They drew attention to the quality of the bolt box itself. The rivet nests are broken down to the situation when the trunk and the box itself hang in different directions. And as they claimed, in their version of AK, this happened after 3000 shots. Allegedly Chinese, although xs.
  20. lao_tsy
    lao_tsy 20 March 2015 19: 40
    +5
    At one time, now I don’t know, an exhibition dedicated to Mikhail Timofeevich Kalashnikov was held in St. Petersburg in the Artillery Museum. So, all AK clones produced in the world were displayed on the same stand. My friend and I noted, firstly, immediately recognizing the product of the domestic military industrial complex, and secondly, the quality of our automatic machine visually differed from the products made in other countries for the better, which was visible to the naked eye. To be honest, I took pride in the domestic manufacturer.
  21. boroda64
    boroda64 20 March 2015 21: 01
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    .........
    GOOD ...
    not successful ....
    ..
    but copies - done .... / and not a little. /
  22. artalex32010
    artalex32010 21 March 2015 00: 25
    +1
    Another would be worth writing about Egyptian copies of "Misr" and "Maadi", Pakistani PK-10, Iranian KLS / KLF and KLT and Albanian ASH-78 Tip-1, ASH-78 Tip-2, ASH-78 Tip-3, ASH-82. This is really the real "gaumno".
    1. gross kaput
      gross kaput 21 March 2015 00: 43
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      Quote: artalex32010
      "Maadi

      The only locally produced part in which it is a belt is the screwdriver assembly of components supplied from the USSR and everything else. laughing
  23. Jmbg
    Jmbg 21 March 2015 01: 33
    +5
    The author missed the Bulgarian version. My assault rifle was 2 years older than me. There were no truncations. 2 years of service I have not seen or heard about truncation. In the warehouses we had AKM, I don’t know in yours, but those twenty-year-old AK47 that we studied at were absolutely reliable. Manufacturer: Arsenal plant Kazanlak city. Box - milled (still produced this way). In a joint exercise with the Russian guys, we envied them for new machines, they are for those milling boxes for us. True, I myself do not know what and how much better is milled, the Russians asserted this.
  24. gross kaput
    gross kaput 21 March 2015 10: 48
    +1
    Quote: Jmbg
    True, I myself don’t know what and how much milled is better,

    She is harder
  25. izGOI
    izGOI 22 March 2015 01: 35
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    БMoreover, Iraqi gunsmiths decided that their model could well do without an automatic firing regime, which is impossible to understand at all.
    I have heard from experts that Arab soldiers have such a feature: if they pulled the trigger, they would not let go until the cartridges ran out. Especially for them, a mode of bursts of 3 cartridges was invented. Well, the Iraqi designers did not rack their brains, they simply removed the automatic mode. Each country has its own characteristics. The Romanians probably really needed the "third pen".
    1. gross kaput
      gross kaput 22 March 2015 10: 47
      +1
      Quote: izGOI
      Moreover, Iraqi gunsmiths decided that their model could well do without an automatic firing regime, which is generally impossible to understand.

      You would first read other people's comments so that you don't chew on the nonsense of the author of the "article".
      The author blinded into one pile the Iraqi "sniper" Tabuk (named after the city of production) - a cross between the Yugoslav PKK and the Yugoslavian sniper Zastava M-76, which really only has a single mode, the Iraqi copy of the Yugoslavian version of the AK - M-70av2, which is in the west called - Iraqi Tabuk AKM and which has an automatic mode.
      There is also a second option - the "action" who issued this sentiment saw the "American", civilian version. The Americans would not be Americans if, having seized Iraq, they did not begin to milk it to the maximum. The production of "Tabuk" is no exception - two rivers arms from Oklahoma quickly established the export of Tabuk to the USA, the bulk of them was modified for the civilian market - that is, lost the auth.mode and probably seeing this "repatriate" "ekshperd" and concluded that there was no auto mode on the machine guns produced for the Iraqi army - well, you will say - such a cool ekshperd!