Tank T-90MS "TAGIL": Fire control system

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Continuing the topic of parsing the design of the latest Russian tank T-90MS, let's see how things are going with the fire control system. After all, and the KALINA JMS is the main feature in this wonderful device.

The basis of the on-board equipment complex is a modern, world-class, KALINA control system consisting of a gunner's multispectral sight, a commander's panoramic sight with a digital ballistic computer and a set of firing conditions sensors. The combat information and control system of the tactical level is integrated into the MSA. The multi-spectral SLA is designed to ensure the high efficiency of the use of a combat vehicle in conflicts of various levels, during the day (day and night). Multispectral integrated sights occupy a smaller armored volume, and the SLA as a whole has significantly fewer controls, which simplifies crew training and tank operation. When equipping mixed tank units with tanks and fire support combat vehicles of the BMPT type, a high degree of unification of the SLA is simply necessary and is ensured in this case. Such unification is guaranteed due to the widespread use of developments in this area, made during the implementation of the development work "Slingshot-1" and especially "Frame-99". Integration into the automated control system was carried out as part of the R&D "Slider". The general principle of operation of the KALINA control system is the complex interaction of the sighting system, the guided weapon system, stabilized weapon guidance electric drives, control systems for the weapon actuators, consoles and control panels with the appropriate equipment of the control system computer complex, which provides reception of information signals, the formation of control commands and other the necessary information in accordance with the algorithms of the OMS in various modes. In this case, the pairing of elements is ensured by information exchange over a multiplex channel (GOST R 52070-2003 is the Russian analogue of the American military standard MIL-STD-1553). The structure of the SLA also integrates the equipment of the system for setting aerosol and smoke screens, the equipment for identifying "friend or foe" and the operation of the automated control system for the tank battalion (ASUtb).






The main elements of the FCS are the Sosna-U PNM gunner’s combined sight and the Sokoliniy Glaz PAN commander’s panoramic sight, designed as a functionally complete multi-channel sighting system that provides the gunner and commander with high efficiency in the combat use of weapons due to wide search capabilities at any time. time of day (day, in conditions of limited visibility and at night), high accuracy of stabilization of the aiming line in two planes.

In general, the search, observation and aiming capabilities of the KALINA control system are provided through a comprehensive solution to the problems of detecting and recognizing targets by: integrating the tank through the interaction system into the automated control system, which makes it possible to quickly obtain information about the types and location of reconnoitered targets; integrating the means of visualization of the interaction system with information about the current position of the commander's panorama observation sector, which makes it possible to move the panorama field of view as quickly as possible to the target location area detected on the electronic map of the area; the fastest recognition and identification of targets through the use of the commander's multispectral panoramic sight, which has a low-level TV channel (observation in the visible spectrum) and a TP channel (observation in the IR spectrum), as well as through the use of processing modes (improvement) of the observed image ; capturing a target for auto-tracking and transmitting it through the target designation mode in the field of technical vision of the gunner's multi-channel sight (implementation of the "hunter-shooter" function); integrating the commander's prism devices, which provide close visibility, with the commander's panorama by organizing the mode of bringing the panorama to the selected prism device, as well as displaying information about the position of the line of sight of the panorama in the field of view of the corresponding prism device. The upgraded armament stabilizer provides a high transfer rate of up to 40 deg/sec.

Evaluating LMS “KALINA” according to the complex of possibilities and the range of tasks to be solved, one can declare, without false modesty, the fact of the creation in Russia of a tank LMS not only corresponding to the world level, but also superior to it.
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  1. Helmut
    +4
    27 September 2011 10: 27
    In the opinion of the layman, Oplot is a pitiful piece of work compared to Tagil.
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      +1
      27 September 2011 11: 56
      I completely agree, the stronghold is ug compared to tagil, I saw a photo of his apartment, to put it mildly, not impressed. Yes, and the performance quality of Kharkovites was always lame.
      1. Bogatir
        0
        27 September 2011 13: 28
        Compared to Oplot - SM is a miserable layout.
      2. Bogatir
        -14
        27 September 2011 13: 30
        Compared to Oplot - SM is a miserable layout.
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          +4
          27 September 2011 20: 51
          What is better lol
          1. Bogatir
            -9
            27 September 2011 20: 55
            In such eloquent affirmations that the best.
        2. 4eJIoBek
          0
          19 March 2012 10: 12
          Go to hell
      3. ballian
        -18
        27 September 2011 13: 34
        You are so smart, and in Thailand there are "fools" who preferred to buy a Ukrainian tank, not a Russian one?
        http://www.rosbalt.ru/ukraina/2011/03/31/834621.html
        1. Bogatir
          -10
          27 September 2011 13: 36
          Yes, the whole World is "fools" (according to their "expert" opinion), since they do not consider the T-72BU-MS - the best tank in the world, on the one hand, and on the other, they do not buy it.
        2. Bogatir
          -10
          27 September 2011 13: 49
          Quote: ballian
          You are so smart, and in Thailand there are "fools" who preferred to buy a Ukrainian tank, not a Russian one?

          - Well no. Fools are sitting in Malaysia. We wanted the T-72 variant, bought it - Polish modernization ... For the time being !?
          1. ballian
            0
            27 September 2011 14: 25
            :))))))))))
        3. Alexey Prikazchikov
          +5
          27 September 2011 17: 35
          They bought it because it's cheap like a condom lol
          1. Bogatir
            -9
            27 September 2011 18: 18
            Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
            cheap like a condom

            They didn’t buy the T-90 cheap, but bought the expensive Polish modernization of the T-72.
            1. Bogatir
              -9
              27 September 2011 20: 18
              Learn the glamorous-rainbow materiel:
              http://btvt.narod.ru/5/pt91/pt91.htm
              http://www.renk.newsfactory.de/cms_media/objekte/266-ESM%20350.pdf
              and then I’ll answer you - how did the Poles manage to force the B-46 to 1200, when in Chelyabinsk they can’t?
              1. Alexey Prikazchikov
                +4
                27 September 2011 20: 55
                Yes, I don’t give a shit about the engine, the main thing is that the armament and electronics are excellent and in t 90 they are better. And by the way, the T90 is 2 times more expensive than a stronghold and it looks a lot more beautiful.
                1. Bogatir
                  -10
                  27 September 2011 21: 23
                  Some unbalanced fecal-oral extras.
                  1. Alexey Prikazchikov
                    +5
                    28 September 2011 02: 49
                    Follow the tongue, it’s a pity not in front of me, but sitting at the computer you would reduce the ambition.
                    1. Bogatir
                      -13
                      28 September 2011 09: 31
                      He dubbed and dumbbill. It is culturally speaking ...
                    2. Bogatir
                      -11
                      28 September 2011 09: 53
                      Alexey Prikazchikov,
                      Take your head off the op-monitor - it can help. Ka Gavaritza - wedge is wedged. Maybe it will help ...
                      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
                        +7
                        28 September 2011 13: 22
                        Close the mouth - removed the curse -
                      2. +2
                        10 January 2012 00: 23
                        Don’t pay attention to the wretched. One drool, one chatter. Neither facts nor knowledge. One ad in my head.
                      3. 0
                        13 February 2012 14: 02
                        again, from the slots, cocksuckers laughing
              2. Joker
                +4
                28 September 2011 11: 23
                Quote: Bogatir
                how did the Poles manage to force the B-46 to 1200, when in Chelyabinsk they can’t?


                there is an Israeli MTO hairstyle prone to overheating. We bought the Polish version because it was promoted.
                1. Bogatir
                  -8
                  28 September 2011 12: 29
                  What MTO?
                  Quote: Joker
                  We bought the Polish version because it was promoted.

                  - And the prolobrator broke ...
        4. +1
          28 September 2011 11: 15
          And why monkeys need guns, they have enough sticks ...
        5. Insurgent
          +1
          20 February 2012 15: 29
          here politics decides and not fools, say Israel has never bought a Russian one when Russia extinguished a fire with amphibians, Israel has nonetheless preferred Canada as well and Thailand Ukraine closer to the United States
      4. Bogatir
        -19
        27 September 2011 13: 42
        The ax T-90 is in Kharkov - the residents of Kharkiv are shocked by the traditional Tagil performance ...
        1. Bogatir
          -10
          27 September 2011 14: 08
          What are the minuses instructed? - The T-90 stands for improvement in Kharkov, not the Stronghold in Tagil ...
          1. +2
            27 September 2011 14: 34
            Quote: Bogatir
            T-90 stands for improvement in Kharkov
            maybe a link?
            1. Bogatir
              -14
              27 September 2011 14: 47
              There are no references to this.
          2. ytqnhfk
            +1
            3 October 2011 00: 07
            For expressions and behavior !!
        2. Tyumen
          +3
          27 September 2011 19: 05
          Well, yes, now you need European, more glamorous. This is a machine for war.
          1. Bogatir
            -13
            27 September 2011 20: 02
            In glamor, I don’t understand you with your experience.
          2. KASKAD
            +2
            4 October 2011 02: 29
            If a machine for war, then everywhere should the pieces of iron stick out in the cockpit about which their heads break while riding? and not cleaned wiring that everyone stumbles about? do not smack nonsense those times when the excess went and the shot went away, it’s much more pleasant to fight when the car is made with the mind and thoughtful interior and exterior decoration.
      5. KASKAD
        +3
        3 October 2011 15: 09
        Tagil really steers !! Tagil resolves !!! wink
    2. Insurgent
      0
      20 February 2012 15: 27
      Here every product praises
  2. +3
    27 September 2011 12: 36
    it’s not about the LMS (it’s also possible to hang onto the stronghold), but about what decisions, concepts and outputs were made to ensure performance characteristics ... both of them are nice to me =) thanks to the author for the article !!!
    1. 0
      7 January 2013 21: 19
      T-90MS - Impressive. This machine seems to have become much better armor and it seems to provide circular protection.
  3. Bogatir
    -12
    27 September 2011 13: 32
    Only the SM has nothing serial, no chassis, no engine. And then there is - who knows how ...
  4. Bogatir
    -13
    27 September 2011 13: 34
    Work on the SLA - this is the only thing on the MS is. Workflows. And ostolnoe ...
  5. Bogatir
    -12
    27 September 2011 13: 52
    Collection of cons went - one post 15 cons. Type from this MS ceases to be a layout.
  6. +9
    27 September 2011 13: 53
    As a professional artilleryman, I liked the SLA. Well-developed system of information processing and target designation and aiming. A good opportunity to see the tactical situation and, on occasion, take control of the tactical level by any crew, which makes this tank a universal combat vehicle for commanding the battalion. So that the spiteful critics do not puff there, and the tank turned out to be a feast for the eyes. Everything is new, did not have serial production, because it is new. There will be a series. The main thing is that this tank exists.
    1. Bogatir
      -10
      27 September 2011 14: 04
      Quote: Victor
      A good opportunity to see the tactical situation and, on occasion, take control of the tactical link by any crew, which makes this tank a universal combat control vehicle for the battalion unit.

      - This is the standard of time.
      Quote: Victor
      So that there are no spiteful critics there, but the tank is a sight for sore eyes.

      - Is that - "feast for the eyes".
      Quote: Victor
      Everything is new, did not have mass production, because it is new.

      - TA-dah?
      Quote: Victor
      There will be a series.

      - Where is the information from?
      Quote: Victor
      The main thing is that this tank is.

      - Layout.
      PS
      And O.195 is some kind of a gambling ...
  7. MIROTVOREZ
    -2
    27 September 2011 17: 48
    Everything is fine, of course, but when we waited at the exhibition when the T90 fired, many ran out of memory in cameras. I understand about the permission to shoot from the tower and other things (they themselves waited for an hour or more just to ride once in front of the stands), but still in the real battle for a long time.

    Private.
  8. Helmut
    +1
    27 September 2011 17: 49
    I just don’t understand how rogue Ukraine can make modern weapons? How, having a billion dollar military budget, can you create cutting-edge technology?
    "Stronghold" - UG. Some cardboard boxes are hung on the tower. UG it is UG.
    1. ballian
      0
      27 September 2011 18: 10
      Dear - you just rave - Kharkov plant it was the flagship of Soviet tank building since ancient times (T - 34 also from there).
      By the way, he does tanks completely independently - everything is done in Ukraine.
      He is also engaged in the modernization of old tanks to the modern level.
      This plant not only produces tanks, "civilian" too,
      This plant got a lot of money after a contract with Pakistan - they sold 320 tanks there in the late 90s .. By the way, a Kharkov engine is installed on the national Pakistani tank "Al - Khalid".
      http://pro-tank.ru/brone-world/pakistan/329-tank-al-khalid
      .
      Kharkov tank builders have also recently signed major contracts for the supply of armored personnel carriers to Iraq and Thailand.
      .
      Ukraine, of course, is not Russia, but it can do some weapons more or less on its own.
      Here is a list of weapons produced there on the world market.
      http://www.ukrspecexport.com/index/catalogue/t/air/lang/ru
      ================
      Generally enlighten and do not disgrace here.
      1. Helmut
        +8
        27 September 2011 20: 19
        Yes, it was the flagship, only it was and is one of the two Russian schools of tank building, do not cling to it, the word was the key here. All this is the energy of the USSR. Ukraine without Russia is zero without a stick, that's a fact. Soviet energy will last another ten years. By the way, this also applies to Russia, but Russia has the resources for new developments and it seems (not to jinx it) that this will actually be done.

        2 Insurgent
        The second economy of the world. Was ...
        1. Bogatir
          -8
          27 September 2011 20: 21
          Zero conclusions.
        2. ballian
          -4
          27 September 2011 21: 12
          Quote: Helmut
          the word was key here. All this is the energy of the USSR. Ukraine without Russia is zero without a stick, it is a fact.


          Quote: Helmut
          Soviet energy will last another ten years.

          ----
          - Once again I repeat - if you have not heard - the Kharkov tanks and armored personnel carriers are not dependent on Russian supplies and so on ...
          Kharkiv residents didn’t eat the money earned in Pakistan, but created a tank that many consider better than Russian (and certainly not worse)
          By the way, the Russians tried to "break" that contract with Pakistan - at that time, guns for tanks were made only in Perm - the result was the opposite - the Kharkovites quickly and efficiently set up the production of tank guns in Sumy, and for armored personnel carriers - in Kamenets-Podolsky.
          Kharkov residents recently signed contracts for the sale of 49 tanks in Thailand and 500 armored personnel carriers in Iraq and Thailand, so your fantasies are refuted by reality.
          ==============
          About the "Russian" school of tank building - gives you a Nazi.
          1. Helmut
            +4
            27 September 2011 21: 25
            http://www.topwar.ru/5149-ukrainskiy-oplot-postavka-v-tailand-blef.html Поставки в Тайланд по видимому блеф, судя по этой ссылке.
            Natsik is not Natsik, but Kharkov is a Russian city and the Russians created industry there.
            1. ballian
              -5
              27 September 2011 21: 36
              I already - understood - all that interests you is "Kharkiv is a Russian city"
              You should at least follow the events - this is not about 200 tanks, but about 49 - as I wrote above.
              1. Helmut
                +5
                27 September 2011 21: 39
                Yes, for me this is a sore subject. For me, the political question is more interesting and the technical aspects I consider through a geopolitical prism.
                ps When Ukraine becomes a part of Russia, imagine if you send billions of dollars to Kharkov plants, the country's power will increase significantly. The point of puffing alone?
              2. Bogatir
                -3
                27 September 2011 21: 45
                This is the first batch.
              3. ballian
                -2
                28 September 2011 06: 50
                The contract for the supply of 49 tanks was signed on September 2 (if it is so difficult for you to find the info)
                http://www.rosbalt.ru/ukraina/2011/09/02/885755.html
          2. Tyumen
            +2
            27 September 2011 21: 28
            I agree that in Ukraine they work well for armor, I doubt that someone would have done better with such a budget. They saved the school, well done.
            1. Bogatir
              -3
              27 September 2011 23: 03
              Quote: Tyumen 35
              Saved the school, well done.

              - And not only tanks in no comparison ...
      2. Helmut
        0
        27 September 2011 20: 20
        Yes, it was a flagship, the word was key. All this is the energy of the USSR. Ukraine without Russia is zero without a stick, it is a fact. Soviet energy will last another ten years. By the way, this also applies to Russia, but Russia has resources for new developments and it seems (not to jinx it) that this will actually be done.
      3. +2
        27 September 2011 21: 11
        In many ways, as far as Pakistan's tenders were concerned, this was a political decision (the Indians bought the T-90, and China had allies from the packs, so China dragged cheap technology from Ukraine). Yes, and Iraq is the flirting of Pindos with crests on the topic of NATO (no reservations, for me, those who are against the fraternal people are not Ukrainians, those crests). And with the Thais, everything is honestly a stronghold for the duration of the tender is better.
        1. ZHORA
          -3
          28 September 2011 09: 50
          It was the Indians who bought the T-90 in response to Pakistan's purchase of the T-80ud, since in this case they had nothing to oppose to Pakistan. Moreover, because of the horseradish engines of the T-90, unable to work normally at high temperatures, failures of the FCS, manufacturing defects of the T-90, it is even worse than the T-80ud.
          1. Bogatir
            -6
            28 September 2011 09: 57
            Quote: JORA
            T-90 is even worse than T-80ud.

            - Not even, but out of date.
    2. Insurgent
      +2
      27 September 2011 19: 53
      the USSR was also not rich, however Gagarin flew first
  9. +1
    27 September 2011 20: 01
    I have always been for the competition. There were two tank schools in the USSR, now there are two countries and thanks to the Ukrainians for creating a stronghold and we can kick our own now (as there are more grandmothers, but we have done worse so far), and we will still find out who wins in the future.
    PS all the same it will be a "Russian" tank with Ukrainians (both in constructors and crews) or without.
  10. slan
    +2
    27 September 2011 21: 38
    One comment by Victor essentially ..
    But since such a drunk went, who will explain what kind of 2 schools?
    Kharkov and Tagil - one school? Leningrad with Omsk is the second, or vice versa?))
    1. Bogatir
      +2
      27 September 2011 22: 06
      There were two design bureaus - Kharkov and Kirov. After the war - Kharkov, Kirov and the rest of Kharkov - Tagil (children of the war). Omsk as such - appeared in tank construction by the 80th. Another halfKB can be mentioned - Cheltrak.
      Who is who?
      - If you take the post-war stage. Tagil - only that he did as he embodied the workings of Kharkov designers. They remade and finished the Kharkov T-34 concept up to the serial T-62.
      Kirovskoye as an independent branch - died with the last heavy tank. Then their merit is to shove the GTE on the Kharkov T-64.
      UVZ - reworked Kharkov ideas until they lost with O.140 to Kharkov O.432 (64). Then they corrupted the T-64 with O.140 and O.167 technologies - up to the T-72. There is no T-90, this is the political name of T-72 with operating systems from T-80U.
      OTM - developed the idea of ​​T-64 with GTE = T-80.
      Kharkiv - In addition to the T-34, 44, 54 (which Tagil chewed) - they abandoned their old technologies and made a revolution in mass, size, power. engine, MZ, armor, ford, nuclear war - T-64. Further work was carried out on the reckless version of the T-74. Technological developments O.447 (64B) migrated to the T-64B-GTE (T-80B). Works on O.476 migrated to the Kirovites and to Omsk on the T-80U. Kharkov himself made the best T-64BV. In the late 80s, Kharkiv residents made a new tank O.478 (Birch) and wanted to call it T-84, but they didn’t call it that - so as not to adopt the 4th MBT and called it politically calmer than the T-80UD. The Kharkov 80UD is the best that the union managed to accept, and the UD was supposed to become the only scoop tank produced, the rest of the projects were closed, but the collapse of the union prevented this.
      All. T-72BU (90) gave light to Russia - the loss of Ukrainian Kharkov. Kirovskoe destroyed, OTM - destroyed UVZ.
      1. slan
        +1
        27 September 2011 22: 24
        Bogatyr, you answered so seriously, thank you))
        So, is the Ural design bureau a product of the Kharkov evacuation?)
        You just have to realize that Kharkov is a Russian city, and Koshkin is a Russian designer and everything will fall into place))
        1. ballian
          -6
          27 September 2011 22: 34
          It remains only that Kharkov residents pay taxes to Moscow and preferably in rubles :))))))))))))))
          1. Helmut
            +1
            27 September 2011 22: 38
            What to take from you? There is nothing to take, there you need to give, invest.
            1. ballian
              -3
              27 September 2011 22: 46
              With me ?? Actually, I live in Western Siberia and do not hide the address.
            2. Bogatir
              0
              27 September 2011 22: 59
              Quote: Helmut
              What to take from you? There is nothing to take, there you need to give, invest.

              - And it seems that nobody asks for anything and does not stuff with anything, but:
              Serdyukov calls for cooperation with Ukraine.
              1. slan
                +5
                27 September 2011 23: 17
                Quote: Bogatir
                Serdyukov calls for cooperation with Ukraine.

                And the Russian Federation fed and while feeding the design bureau of yet another great primordial Ukrainian, Antonov)), while ruining the much more promising design bureaus Tupolev and Ilyushin. Why do you think this is?
                1. Bogatir
                  -6
                  27 September 2011 23: 21
                  Quote: slan
                  And the Russian Federation fed and while feeding the design bureau of another great Ukrainian, Antonov))

                  - Wow!... Come on?...
                  Quote: slan
                  at the same time, much more promising design bureaus Tupolev and Ilyushin

                  - Murzilka magazine, or Ukrainians in the ranking of the troubles of Russians, all of a sudden - overtook the Jews?
                  1. slan
                    +1
                    27 September 2011 23: 39
                    Quote: Bogatir
                    -Murzilka magazine, or Ukrainians in the ranking of the troubles of Russians, suddenly-overtook the Jews?

                    ))) Very self-critical, admit, the phrase was stolen from opponents by kaklasrachu?)) The "Russians" have other troubles, and the Ukrainians are more of a funny misunderstanding.
                    And there are two explanations:
                    1. Ukrainian spies settled in the Kremlin
                    2. The Russian Federation seeks to maintain ties with Ukrainian enterprises, once integrated into a single complex. Even to the detriment of their own factories and design bureaus. Damned imperial thinking)) For 15 years, for the same reason, Ukrainian plants supplied free gas, again.
                    1. Bogatir
                      -4
                      27 September 2011 23: 41
                      Quote: slan
                      The Russian Federation seeks to maintain ties with Ukrainian enterprises, once integrated into a single complex. Even to the detriment of their own factories and design bureaus.

                      - This is called - everyone screwed up and now they would like to prolong the agony at the expense of Ukraine.
                      1. slan
                        +2
                        27 September 2011 23: 52
                        Quote: Bogatir
                        We would like to extend the agony at the expense of Ukraine.

                        You have just once again revealed a vile and insidious conspiracy against the proud and freedom-loving people of Krayan.
                        Catch up and lie down backwards))
                        Suddenly oversleep in fact, you never know ..
                      2. Bogatir
                        -6
                        27 September 2011 23: 58
                        And I would like to know how, once again, historically, Russia disrupts agreements as a reliable partner, in this case, in the joint venture UAC-Antonov. About the great projects of the great Russian design bureaus. About the great damage and financing of the RF Ministry of Defense suddenly Antonov. And with a enchanting ending - how much more will Ukraine have to arrest and sell Russian An-124s through the court ...
                      3. ballian
                        -1
                        28 September 2011 07: 14
                        I’m not sure, but it seems that slan has such a view - Koshkin and Antonov are sitting alone in a room and are drawing airplanes :))) It’s interesting if Wasserman was there - you would probably be exhausted from shame :))
                      4. Bogatir
                        -4
                        28 September 2011 09: 29
                        Russia is not a reliable partner with centuries of experience.
                      5. slan
                        +2
                        28 September 2011 18: 47
                        The balliana seems to have such an idea that the design documentation for the T-64 was made in pure Ukrainian by the ladies in embroideries from deaf Ukrainian villages. So try to think about why Kharkov is a Russian city, and Ukrainian villages are around. Good luck.
                        When I hear about the "Ukrainian intelligentsia" I grab a fly swatter (c)
                      6. +4
                        28 September 2011 19: 03
                        And you write who Morozov was with Koshkin by nationality and where they came from and how they became Ukrainians (probably not from the frequent use of Ukrainian fat). The school was not Ukrainian, but Soviet. And it's time to stop this stupid argument (whose nation is cooler, merit was common at that time).
                2. ballian
                  0
                  28 September 2011 07: 06
                  Do you think Antonov or Koshkin alone is sitting somewhere in the room and composing tank-airplanes? :))), and if there weren’t Koshkin, but Wasserman, would you hang yourself? :)))
                  What makes you think that they are more promising, because they are "Russian"?
        2. Bogatir
          -1
          27 September 2011 22: 37
          Quote: slan
          So, is the Ural design bureau a product of the Kharkov evacuation?)

          - Yes, and many of their actions can be interpreted in psychology - as a complex of a child in front of his parents in an attempt to prove something.
          Quote: slan
          You just have to realize that Kharkov is a Russian city

          - No, neither Kursk nor Belgorod.
          1. slan
            0
            27 September 2011 22: 47
            Quote: Bogatir
            - No, neither Kursk nor Belgorod.

            Something short list))
            1. Bogatir
              -2
              27 September 2011 23: 01
              It's from that side.
          2. slan
            0
            27 September 2011 22: 51
            Quote: Bogatir
            - No, neither Kursk nor Belgorod.

            Something short list))
  11. +2
    27 September 2011 22: 22
    t-64, t-80UD, t-84 Kharkov, t-72, t-90 tagil. T-80 Leningraders and Omsk lost to the Kharkiv (first a tower, and eventually the T-80 became diesel, and then the T-84 became Ukrainian). And just now from Leningrad and Omsk people I don’t hear anything (except for BMPT from Omsk citizens).
    But I admit that I am not right (damn two Russian and Ukrainian said) four schools belay . But only two schools are currently adopting products. And Leningraders fell victim to circumstances and shit-racers (Sobchak did not support them at a difficult moment, for example). But at least the Armada in close cooperation of the three Russian schools speak is being developed (but it is rather in vain, competition is needed, each individually, must offer its own).
    1. Bogatir
      -1
      27 September 2011 22: 49
      Quote: kagorta
      T-80 Leningraders and Omsk lost to Kharkiv

      - Not quite so - then everything is largely Kharkov technology. There changes in the MTO, stampings, well, the chassis had to be made under vibration - this is their merit.
      Quote: kagorta
      t-80 became diesel

      T-64 he is 64 in evolution.
      Quote: kagorta
      And Leningraders fell victim to circumstances

      - No, the gas turbine tank turned out to be less promising and more expensive. UVZ would also have somersaults, but Yeltsin helped (his fate crossed paths with T-72 - politics), the loss of the best Kharkov technologies and the gift of Ukrainians through Pakistanis.
      Quote: kagorta
      Armada in close cooperation of three Russian schools say being developed

      - Little is known there yet, but Tagil (now let's see what they themselves will finally degenerate) - but the main thing is that the Moscow Region should vomit them well ...
      1. Bogatir
        0
        27 September 2011 23: 50
        Quote: Bogatir
        so that the MoD vomits well ...

        Or vigilant...
        1. slan
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          27 September 2011 23: 57
          Quote: Bogatir
          blew well

          Quote: Bogatir
          Or fucked up..

          do not develop this thought ..
          1. Bogatir
            -1
            28 September 2011 00: 00
            Quote: slan
            do not develop this thought ..

            - As for me - the most promising area of ​​work of the RF Ministry of Defense ...
    2. slan
      0
      27 September 2011 22: 53
      Quote: kagorta
      But I admit that I am not right (damn two Russian and Ukrainian said) four schools

      Yes, I least of all wanted to correct you by asking this question. What you meant, I understood. Just looking at this kaklasrach, he asked himself.
  12. Insurgent
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    29 September 2011 15: 37
    Well, junk like t-72, t-55, etc. let him and the Arabs drive and buy new t-90ms
  13. Alexandr_K
    -2
    7 December 2011 23: 19
    Quote: Helmut
    In the opinion of the layman, Oplot is a pitiful piece of work compared to Tagil.

    In the opinion of the layman, "Tagil" is a complete atstoy in comparison with "Oplot", not to mention "Merkava-4".


    Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
    I completely agree, the stronghold is ug compared to tagil

    I repeat! "Tagil" in comparison with "Oplot" - GA-VNO!


    Quote: Bogatir
    Compared to Oplot - SM a miserable layout

    Support.


    Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
    What's better than this shit

    Here and explain, than the crap "Tagil" is better than the tank "Oplot"?


    Quote: Bogatir
    Only the SM has nothing serial, no chassis, no engine. And then there is - who knows how ...

    Well, how is "CM" or "MC" embroidered? - self-propelled layout or layout self-propelled? wink Right? lol

    Chill the urya-patrioba! This "tagil" is just a layout.


    Quote: Helmut
    When Ukraine joins back to Russia,

    Do not wait!

    Quote: Helmut
    Imagine if you send billions of dollars to Kharkov plants, the country's power will increase at times. The point of puffing alone?

    ... Russia will also destroy the Kharkov plant, on the x-her it is a serious competitor.
  14. +2
    13 February 2012 23: 47
    Well, damn it - it’s enough for one moron to come to the topic - and the whole topic is in the background. Well, what the hell? It seems like a long time ago it is clear that you do not need to feed the gray trolls. They come here specifically for this.
  15. Hamster
    0
    9 March 2012 17: 47
    Ukrainian jingoistic patriots, stop hoping that your country is not a complete ass - you should not hope for anything good for at least 20 years (after 2004, even more so), Ukraine is a poor country, which Russia was 15 years ago, and now Russia has at least a chance for a revival, and the economy is slowly crawling out of their sewers, huge money is being spent on defense, contracts on the State Defense Order are being successfully implemented (pah-pah-pah so as not to jinx it), and your Ridna Ukraine only does what it faces west in a pose listed in the Kama Sutra. Sadly, your Kharkov plant has very, very few chances - no one has its expensive version of the T-80, which is not considered modern anyway, on which they just hung any UG assembled in NATO (read where you want, if you don’t believe it, almost all serious electronics is torn off from the west) is not going to buy and will not. Naturally, he will not receive state funding for the above reasons, and the only options are private funding, which is also very unlikely. to be interesting only in terms of production capacities, in itself, in terms of developing new products, it does not present itself to any extent at the moment, and as competitors, almost native factories are not considered by Russia, there was still not enough between you, motherfuckers, take a shit)
    Now about Tagil - is this bullshit? -90, especially in terms of electronics - now they will treat it for childhood diseases and refine it, and then you look and it will go into series, although according to the State Defense order, aviation and fleet will be produced by 2020 until 2015, by 2013 a fundamentally new tank of the new generation, and by 2015 its state tests have been completed and its launch into series has been prepared (funds have already been allocated by the design bureau, and by the way, state tests of the PAK FA and its launch into series should still be completed by 2015)

    Well, maybe I got excited about the T-84 - the tank is pretty good, new design solutions have been applied, but it does not meet modern requirements at all (like the T-80 and the first T90 models, sad to admit it)
    Well, with the Ukrainian tank building, everything is clear, now about the Russian one.
    I remembered the name of a promising new generation tank that they want to develop by 2013 - Armata (or rather, the "unified platform" Armata "). The T-90 MS is good-looking, I personally like it very much, but the T-90 is just a deep modernization of the T- 72, and, as the people in charge of the state defense order finally realized, a fundamentally new tank was needed. The funds were allocated, the working conditions seemed to be created, so we can only wait and pray. Although, maybe further modifications of the T-90 have a chance, but This is just speculation, and I don't like to speculate.
  16. Hamster
    0
    12 March 2012 16: 58
    Quote from Wikipedia (article about the T-84) -Ukraine - 10 T-84U Oplot tanks, as of 2010. [2] The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine also ordered 10 Oplot-M (BM Oplot). The cost of the contract, which was signed in 2009, is UAH 295 million.[3] As of the end of 2011, the contract was not completed due to insufficient funding. As of December 2011, KhZTM received only 70 of the 295 million hryvnia.[4] Now you understand how many of them you have? Now you understand how bankrupt Ukraine is? 295 million hryvnias is not just a penny, but on a state scale it is simply nothing. So put up with it - either Russian funding or the end of your Kharkov factories.
  17. kov
    kov
    0
    11 June 2012 17: 54
    From the program Military Secret, Tagil video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoRvfnDofZc
  18. chaban13
    0
    7 January 2013 17: 55
    I want to connect life with the armored industry, can you tell me which university you need to go to?

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