Russian-German military cooperation: benefit or harm

Last week, the head of the Bundeswehr, Mr. de Mezieres, visited Russia, who met with his Russian counterpart, Defense Minister Serdyukov. What did the heads of the military departments of Germany and Russia talk about at this meeting?


It turned out that de Mezieres wishes to offer Serdyukov to reform the Russian army. Mezieres is aware that the Government of Russia is planning to spend several hundred billion euros for the reform of its armed forces over the course of nine years (until the end of 2020). Moreover, this amount is calculated on the purchase of new military vehicles and equipment. Other funds will be invested in the army that will allow the soldiers, officers and generals to retrain tactics of combat operations, change the life of the soldiers, and improve the diet. It has already been decided to conduct an audit of the Russian military regulations, according to which the Russian army will receive a new set of rules that meets all modern challenges.

Apparently, in Germany, they heard about the immense colossal injections into the Russian army and decided not to stay away from such a tasty multi-billion dollar pie. Let's try to figure out why the Bundeswehr so ​​suddenly needed to support the army or anyone, but a real potential enemy. Let's not forget that Germany is a member of NATO.

In this regard, there are several basic judgments. Consider the first of them. According to him, the German military department decided to assist in the reform of the Russian army only because it wants to warm up on this. After all, an agreement was reached at the bilateral meeting that German firms would supply unique training complexes to Russian troops, thanks to which the Russian military would be able to work out the technique of fighting without any danger. This contract alone implies an investment of up to several hundred million euros in the products of German manufacturers of military training equipment from Russia.

In another opinion, the interest of the German side is not limited only to economic benefits, which is, of course, decisive. Some Russian and German analysts say that Germany does not want, even being a member of NATO, to limit cooperation with Russia. Why? Yes, if only because more 70% of the population of Germany does not see further prospects for Germany’s membership in NATO in the current form of the Alliance. Many ordinary Germans understand that today, NATO is the conductor of the will of the United States, and therefore it can drag Germany into various kinds of military adventures. At the same time, the financial and economic issues of Germany’s membership in NATO are also decided purely in the interests and interests of the United States. Often Germany is on the sidelines in sales weapons NATO partners. The leading role here was assumed by the same United States and Great Britain. In this situation, Germany rightly decides for itself to find other partners, cooperation with which will be of a strategic nature. At the same time, the German authorities are far from any prejudice about the condemnation of their actions by Washington or Brussels. As a matter of fact, Berlin may not give a damn about what the western side will say, since the economic benefits and the real prospects for close contacts with Russia here can play an important role.

The following words can be cited as an example of another judgment: Germany “probes” the internal Russian soil in the field of armaments in order to make an objective conclusion about the course of rearmament of the Russian army. If you adhere to this judgment, then the reform of the armed forces of Russia will take place under the vigilant control of Germany, as one of the allies of the United States. This means that every step of the Russian military will be monitored by the West so that any changes will not go to the detriment of European and American security. In this case, Germany, helping Russia, wants to see with its own eyes what these Russians are going to arm themselves with, and how this can threaten the borders of the European Union. I do not want to draw analogies with the pre-war years, when the USSR and fascist Germany also very actively cooperated in the military sphere, but where do you get from the historical fact ...

As a result, having considered the three main versions of the "fraternal" assistance to the Russian armed forces from Germany, one can say that any cooperation should take place on mutually beneficial terms. If the Russian side really wants to reveal all its cards, then this can be regarded not as a modernization, but as a threat to national security. If we are talking about the economic background, then we should not forget that in Russia any cooperation with foreign countries turns into a bureaucratized cumbersome mechanism that can crush every reasonable initiative of each of the parties.

I want to believe that the close contact of the military departments of our countries is an open interaction, which will result in a real restructuring and modernization of the Russian army without compromising our security.
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  1. ZEBRASH
    ZEBRASH 26 September 2011 07: 32 New
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    Again, NATO is trying to "help" us arm angry Well, some educational complexes are at least not weapons. But educational complexes should be of high quality, not second-hand.
    1. Vadivak 26 September 2011 09: 59 New
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      I’m buying everything I lacked from the bourgeoisie, and not to stupidly copy the equipment later, but to study and do it better. You need to buy, all the more good, look at China you can’t invent a damn thing, but copy it, implement it and ..... sell under their own brands
      1. ZEBRASH
        ZEBRASH 26 September 2011 13: 51 New
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        And you think that the Chinese are honored that they lick everything? They have already lost all their national dignity due to their national policy of copying everything and yet they don’t know anything and don’t hide it! Really and we will fall to their level? belay
        PS And the IVS bought a foreign one, so that the country could be raised in a difficult time. There was no other way
        1. ZEBRASH
          ZEBRASH 26 September 2011 17: 05 New
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          Sealed a little in the last post request I wanted to write:

          "And you think that the Chinese are honored that they lick everything? They have already lost all their national dignity because of their national policy of copying everything and everything angry They themselves do not know how to do anything and do not hide it! Really and we will fall to their level? "
          1. ZEBRASH
            ZEBRASH 27 September 2011 14: 03 New
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            What is the minus? angry Maybe you will go out openly and explain your position, and not just stupidly blame the cons?
  2. Civil 26 September 2011 12: 17 New
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    All the same, there is another version, maybe as an additional one. The Germans are categorically tired of being under the heel of the United States, and this support of the Russian Armed Forces is an attempt to distance themselves and find their own political course.
    1. Rustam 26 September 2011 13: 03 New
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      All the same, there is another version, maybe as an additional one. Germans categorically tired of being under the heel of the United States
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      no, just because german firms need orders in order to survive and develop, why not they think
      we need their technologies and products (similar to ours costs the same) they need money and development prospects in our country
      and this is just the beginning (a training ground in a mouline thread) I would have entrusted them to re-equip many bases, etc., according to Western standards (I wrote about this earlier)

      Now our peers are looking to the German armored personnel carrier boxer and the Germans are ready to sell it, to remote machine gun units, the navy can continue to the German submarine installations ad infinitum, field camps for personnel have been purchased
      1. Vadivak 26 September 2011 13: 11 New
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        Correctly Rustam, the capitalist needs to sell in order to live, if it is profitable, he will at least sell his native mother even his Motherland
  3. Vyalik 26 September 2011 13: 06 New
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    I think that we have nothing to share with Germany. Both world wars were caused by the skillful and artificial pitting of Germany and Russia by the Angles and Amers. We have no common borders, our common enemies imposed their will. Because they were afraid of our union. If we can learn from Germany should not be shy to learn. It is clear that any cooperation is intelligence, so I think technical intelligence about Germany and we need to be carried out. And if we get good results, it will benefit Russia.
    1. Professor 26 September 2011 19: 06 New
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      Nothing to share? Have you forgotten the Kaliningrad region?
      1. Vadivak 26 September 2011 20: 00 New
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        To forgive is to understand, how to understand the destruction by the Germans of innocent people ?!
        1. Banshee 26 September 2011 23: 27 New
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          Quote: Vadivak
          To forgive is to understand, how to understand the destruction by the Germans of innocent people ?!


          Sorry, of course, but that’s not the way to go.
          The war was. The war was terrible. It is simply impossible to remember her. It must be remembered forever. But from such a position to approach is also somehow no ice.
          Such an approach is voluntary isolation, no more.
          Let's remember everyone we fought with: Germans, Swedes, Poles, Hungarians, Romanians, Italians, Spaniards, British, Japanese.
          Now you can not cooperate closely with anyone?
          Yes, the veterans of that war live the last years! Wait until the last German veteran dies? and then his children and grandchildren to bring? Stupid.
          The bills were charged, the bills were paid. We must live on.
          And to cooperate with the actual owners of Europe ... What's wrong with that? If you come up with the mind (here I am with Vyalik entirely on one side), then the benefits can be substantial.
          You should not look into the future through the bloody prism.
          1. Vadivak 28 September 2011 22: 30 New
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            I understand you, Roman, but I stick to my point of view, burn people, make gloves and purses from leather, and make soap? How do you want me to better isolate myself, through how you put it, I don’t look at the bloody prism, but do you think the Germans loved us? As they hated and hate do not flatter yourself. You look who turns out to have won the war, don’t you know? Already Ukrainian children are taught at school that their country is always a victim. And World War II is the battle of two totalitarian monsters, Hitler and Stalin. In Germany, the theme of the Second World Taboo (if you want to make an enemy, start a discussion with the German about the Second World War) They know about it that the Russian troops, having entered German territory, organized mass rape of German women. Films about this are being shot. You didn’t see “Go and see”? Look, maybe something is moving.
            I have long decided. Sincerely.
        2. Marat
          Marat 28 September 2011 21: 07 New
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          Of course you cannot forgive - you must remember that war!
          But on the other hand, you cannot be isolated - it’s good that there are BRICS countries relatively independent of pendosy and Saxons — but cooperation with Germany has its advantages

          1. There are high technologies - which we will need more and more - especially if we continue the course towards the revival of the empire - the union - and the pendos with their jackson brooms will try to limit us access to their technologies

          2. There finance is an alternative to pendos and the dollar (of course, in the long term) in alliance with the BRICS and countries such as Iran, Vietnam and others, it will be possible to start creating internal funds and lend within themselves - without the IMF and pendos (as Russia is already starting inside the CIS )

          3. A united Germany was not desirable for the Saxons and Pendos - remember how they sprang up and tried to stop Gorbachev. And now the result (expected by the pendosy) is already justified - Germany pursues an increasingly independent policy

          4. The Union of Russia and Germany has always been disgusted with them - and if IM does not like something, then most likely this is good for us
          In general, "pushing" pendos out of Europe and "getting into" it yourself is not a bad option - the main thing is to do it on our terms - and not to the detriment of the people as the democrats tried to "become Europe"

          5. For Germany, such a partnership is beneficial - it will gain access to the natural wealth of Eurasia - without war but on mutually beneficial partnership conditions
  4. Maximum
    Maximum 26 September 2011 20: 14 New
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    in Russia, so Istari so happened, only two allies are the army and navy! and let strategists play cat and mouse))) we remember the lessons of history, and it’s quite appropriate to draw analogies here)))
  5. Legioner
    Legioner 26 September 2011 23: 06 New
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    The main thing is that this cooperation led to a qualitative increase in our defense capability, and it would be nice if we could get their technologies at the time of the current economic crisis!
  6. Victor 27 September 2011 13: 17 New
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    Germany and Russia are a special state of both past and future relations. If you do not go into special historical details, then Europe, and especially Great Britain, and France did not stand aside, always with bated breath I watched the periodic rapprochements of Germany and Russia. At the same time, fear always gripped Europe, and it did its utmost to prevent such a rapprochement, drawing Russia into all kinds of squabbles and wars with Germany. Where does the fear come from? Yes, everything is very simple. If a stable Russia-Germany axis arises in Europe, then the entire Western world order will change, which by the way is already happening with the launch of the Blue Stream, where Germany plays an important role. The combination of the scientific bases of Russia and Germany can give an unprecedented breakthrough in science and technology. Do not forget whose technology modern astronautics was based on. Russia can provide Germany with an unlimited market for modern technology, and technology is not far from there. Germany itself was tired of convulsions as a choking Europe with its problems, and the United States with its ambition and eternal dictate. Therefore, Russia for Germany is the best prospect for further development. Of course, we must not forget anything, but we must move forward. We really need reliable partners, including in Europe.