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Igor Stechkin. Path to fame

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In the ranks of the Soviet gunsmith designers, you can find a large number of bright names that are forever inscribed in history weapons world. But there is a man among them whose developments and principles of work have almost always been a half step or a whole step ahead of similar developments by contemporaries. It is worth noting that non-standard approaches and the brightness of thought that were inherent in the Soviet armory school, allowed with enviable regularity to create unique types of weapons. At the same time, some types of weapons turned out to be so outstanding that they ceased to be officially named and named only by the name of the designer who created them. This happened with the Stechkin automatic pistol (APS), which was simply nicknamed the "Stechkin."

Igor Stechkin was born 15 November 1922, in the city of Alexin, Tula region. The future famous Soviet gunsmith designer was born into a noble family from which a large number of famous people emerged. For example, his grandfather Sergey Yakovlevich Stechkin (who wrote under the pseudonym Solomin) was a science fiction writer, a journalist. His uncle Boris Sergeevich Stechkin was one of those who designed the Lebedev tank (Tsar-tank), after the revolution he worked as deputy director of TsAGI, was the author of the theory of jet engines. During the Great Patriotic War, he worked in the "Tupolev sharag". In the future, he became the winner of the Stalin and Lenin Prizes Academician of the USSR Academy of Sciences.

The father of the future designer, Yakov Sergeyevich Stechkin, was a well-known surgeon, took part in the First World War. During World War II, he was a leading surgeon in Tula, in the winter of the 1941 of the year during the battle for Moscow one day, he and his assistant performed about 300 operations. Here in such a family, represented by a large number of respected and leaving a mark in the history of people, Igor Yakovlevich Stechkin was born, who managed to overshadow them with his fame, turning the surname Stechkin into a synonym for the legendary and trouble-free small arms.

Igor Stechkin. Path to fame


Despite the fact that the young Igor Stechkin clearly showed the presence of weapon talent, the relationship with the military service and the army in general at Stechkin did not work out. In 1941, he was released from military service due to poor eyesight. It is precisely this that Igor Stechkin will always differ in the future from most of his fellow gunsmiths - with large, sometimes dark glasses and a frowning look. After the failure of military service, the future gunsmith returns to his native Tula, to which his family moved in full strength in 1935. Here in Tula he continued his studies at the Tula Mechanical Institute.

The outbreak of war has made adjustments to his learning process. At the very beginning of the war, Stechkin moved to Izhevsk, where he studied at the evacuated Moscow Bauman Higher Technical School, and at the same time he worked as a grinder at a local motorcycle factory. Stechkin returned to his native Tula only at the end of 1942 of the year. And he graduated from the Tula Mechanical Institute in February 1948 of the year. The graduation project of the future famous Soviet designer-gunsmith wrote on the topic "Self-loading pistol caliber 7,65 mm." The consultant of his project was N. F. Makarov.

It is worth noting that Igor Stechkin was completely and completely absorbed in training at the institute’s weapons and machine-gun department. Suddenly, already during the exam, it became clear to everyone that the drawings submitted by Stechkin for examination to the members and experts of the examination committee of the pistol are fundamentally different from the previously produced small arms. One of the members of the examination committee, examining the submitted drawings, told the young designer that such a gun would not be able to and will not shoot. The young designer Igor Stechkin responded to this quite simply: he took a pre-assembled prototype out of his pocket and fired 3 with blank cartridges at the ceiling. After such a “performance” before the commission, Stechkin was sent home with an “excellent” mark and a red diploma. And the same gun, which Igor Yakovlevich impressed with the examination commission, is still in the museum of Tula State University. After the completion of the university, Stechkin was assigned to TsKB-14, where he began developing small arms. In May 1948, he was enlisted there as an engineer.



In all the projects of the designer Igor Stechkin, in addition to ease of operation, reliability and other common parameters, there has always been laid one more constant principle - elegance. According to the designer gunsmith himself, an ugly weapon simply could not shoot. In this, he was similar to the Soviet aircraft designer Tupolev, who said that an ugly plane would not fly. Igor Stechkin adhered to this point of view until the last moment, while he still could continue to work in the development of small arms.

Igor Stechkin's desire for grace in the development of small arms made this engineer perhaps the first domestic designer who turned his attention to the layout of the weapon, which is known today as “bullpup”. In this scheme, the trigger is located in front of the store and the trigger mechanism. Through the use of this layout it was possible to easily reduce the overall length of the weapon, without losing the effectiveness of shooting and accuracy. Experiments with this scheme were conducted before the Second World War, but it could not reach widespread use until the end of the 1970s. During these years, work was carried out in different countries around the world to create assault rifles made exactly according to the bull pap scheme. The most famous example of such a weapon was the Steyr AUG rifle, which was released in 1977 year and was created by the Austrian company Steyr-Daimler-Puch. It should be noted that in those years, Igor Stechkin worked on rifles of a similar scheme, who managed to succeed quite well in developing them.

The AK-1974 Kalashnikov assault rifle, adopted by the Soviet army in 74, put a kind of line under a whole era in the development of small arms. Despite significant improvements and reliability that has become traditional for the machine gun, AK-74 designers could not get rid of its main drawback - low accuracy of fire when firing in bursts. It was precisely the low accuracy of fire that allowed in the 1981 year to initiate a whole series of research and development in the USSR as part of the project of a new, promising machine gun, which received the working title Abakan.


TKB-0146


The assembled percussion team of domestic gunsmith designers began to work on the project with a high degree of enthusiasm, and already after 3, in 1984, the first prototypes were presented for testing by the military. Among the models presented for testing, almost all were performed according to the standard scheme: the store and the trigger are in front, the trigger is behind. And Igor Stechkin approached the problem more creatively; his TKB-0146 was the only model made according to the bullpup scheme. This model was also included in the test program "Abakan".

Among other things, Stechkin succeeded in not only fulfilling all the test conditions for the new assault rifle, but also successfully solving the main problem for the assault rifles of this scheme: the ejection of the spent cartridges occurred very close to the shooter’s eyes. As a result, the model presented by Igor Stechkin not only increased the accuracy of firing bursts, but also solved the problem with the arrival in the face of the arrow of the cartridges. The designer solved this problem ingeniously. His machine gun had a scheme in which the spent cartridges were thrown into a specially designed hole that was above the fire control handle. Moreover, the gunsmith satisfied the conditions of the competition, which ordered to achieve a two-stage supply of the cartridge in the chamber.

At the same time, TKB-0146 had practically no recoil when firing, and in automatic mode, the machine showed fantastic accuracy. However, due to either fear of modifying this sample or because of the unusual scheme, the machine gun was “hacked” during the final tests. For adoption, the machine was recommended design Nikonov, known today as the AN-94. Many experts today call such a decision erroneous, as the option presented by Igor Stechkin was no worse, and in terms of ease of operation even better.



However, the most famous, popular and sought-after worldwide development of Igor Stechkin was destined to become his automatic pistol APS, which he created at the dawn of his design career. Hardly, starting work on him in the distant 1948 year, the designer thought about how successful, reliable and powerful his gun would turn out. The pistol created by Stechkin forever entered the history of the Soviet rifle weapon school, along with the TT pistol and the Kalashnikov assault rifle.

Already in the 1951 year, a new pistol chambered for the 9x18 mm was adopted by the Soviet army under the designation APS. For the creation of a pistol Stechkin was awarded the prestigious Stalin Prize. His gun could easily fire both in single shots and bursts. The new pistol was intended primarily for the arming of officers, sergeants and soldiers of certain army specialties, as well as crews of armored combat vehicles, which the AK machine gun or SKS carbine did not rely on under the charter. In this case, even then, the military rightly believed that the capabilities of the PM pistol would not be enough for self-defense in the event of military clashes with a likely adversary.

Stechkin automatic pistol works under the scheme of using recoil with a free gate. The gun could be equipped with a plastic or wooden holster-butt. It was needed not so much for storing a pistol, but for more accurate shooting when firing at long distances, as well as to reduce dispersion when conducting automatic fire. In order to achieve more or less heap shooting in automatic mode, it is worth holding the MTA with two hands and firing only in short bursts. This is necessary because the gun significantly lifts up after the third shot. Automatic fire while holding the MTA with only one hand with acceptable dispersion can only be conducted at a distance of 5 meters. In the pistol grip there is a mechanism for slowing down the rate of fire, which also performs the function of the self-timer, which also contributes to the stability of the weapon when firing. As a result, the rate of fire from the MTA was 700-750 shots per minute.



In Stechkin's automatic pistol, a rather rare solution for pistols was used - a magazine with a double-row cartridge output. The cartridges themselves are located in it in two rows, in a checkerboard pattern. This system requires the right combination of all elements, such as the shape of the magazine, the chamfer angle of the cartridge, as well as the very precise manufacturing of the components. In this case, a rather big obstacle was the form of the cartridge itself - 9x18 mm. Igor Stechkin spent considerable effort on the design and bringing to mind the smooth functioning of the parts that were responsible for feeding the cartridges. As a result, he managed to achieve reliability in the operation of the gun even in extreme conditions of its operation. Even today, the largest American and European manufacturers of short-barreled weapons use more reliable, single-row pistol magazines when serving, which are inconvenient in equipment and more difficult to manufacture.

"Destruction" of the gun and the overall reliability of the scheme came to the liking of the military. The APS turned out to be so popular a pistol that even the leader of the Cuban revolution, Ernesto Che Guevara, and later Fidel Castro himself, acquired these pistols during the years of Soviet-Cuban friendship. Andrei Kolokoltsev, a veteran of the Afghan war and a military expert, in an interview with the journalists of the TV channel Zvezda recalled some of the features of this gun: “The barrel is good, but due to its weight and size, you must get used to using it. Army requirements suggested that you must carry a pistol with four fully equipped 20 magazines each, which was quite hard. It was especially difficult to get used to firing intensive, fast when it was necessary to react immediately - the pistol hilt seemed inconvenient, but they got used to it, and only then thanked the designer of the pistol, because in cases of close contact with the enemy soldiers, the PM-armed fighters had much less chances of success than those that were armed with Stechkin pistols. "

Especially for special units at the end of 1960-ies, a “silent” version of the pistol was created, designated APB (automatic silent pistol), in 1972, this pistol was adopted for special purposes. The new model differed from the ordinary APS by a removable silencer, as well as minor modifications for its attachment. It was APB that for many years remained a reliable ally and friend for the fighters of the Soviet special forces. Its reliability, accuracy of shooting and a large 20 magazine of cartridges made it possible to effectively fire at distances that were inaccessible to the PM. The reliability of the pistols created by Igor Stechkin has been noted in dozens of states around the globe, and the operation of these pistols, despite a rather solid age, continues to this day. The divisions of the GRU special forces, airborne troops, as well as many special forces use the Stechkin pistol and do not want to change it for other types of small arms.



Igor Stechkin has managed to become a symbol of the national arms school, along with another famous designer Mikhail Kalashnikov, and his famous pistol is one of the most recognizable types of small arms all over the world, which alone gives the shooter a sense of reliability and guarantees the solution of any tasks assigned to him . In total, the designer’s account had more than 50 inventions and 60 developments. Igor Yakovlevich Stechkin worked in the arms field until the very last days of his life. He passed away on November 28 2002, at the age of 80. The well-known designer gunsmith was buried in the city of Tula in the Smolensk (First City) cemetery.

Information sources:
http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201503031755-als1.htm
http://ria.ru/spravka/20121115/910596863.html
http://www.armoury-online.ru/articles/pistols/russia/aps
http://ohranka.com/2013/11/игорь-яковлевич-стечкин-и-его-легенда
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  1. korsokorso
    korsokorso 17 March 2015 06: 14
    +20
    Our ministry of culture should have allocated money to promote such figures. Films and TV shows need to be made about such people, but for Zvyagintsev’s bailouts there is money, and come the author with a script about Stechkin, I can imagine what they will answer and where they will send him.
    1. qwert
      qwert 17 March 2015 07: 36
      +6
      And who is Zvyagintsev?
      1. Bugor
        Bugor 17 March 2015 15: 03
        +6
        Producer. Marked by shooting a film about how everything is fucking in our country. It is not clear, however, why he lives in this country.
        1. leshiy076
          leshiy076 17 March 2015 18: 15
          +3
          Never heard.
          1. chebman
            chebman 17 March 2015 19: 46
            +1
            One should be interested in events in the country. This is the director of the film "Leviathan".
        2. Robespierre9
          Robespierre9 17 March 2015 23: 12
          +1
          Quote: Bugor
          Producer. Marked by shooting a film about how everything is fucking in our country. It is not clear, however, why he lives in this country.

          The director often removes what is ordered, the producer or, like ours, the ministry of culture, headed by Shvydky or some other Medinsky, so Medinsky needs to be sent here with those who are higher, Medinsky didn’t appear from anywhere else either.
    2. vodolaz
      vodolaz 17 March 2015 19: 02
      +2
      Very interesting article, thanks.
    3. Andrey591
      Andrey591 18 March 2015 16: 05
      0
      Rather, the Defense Ministry.
  2. Hubun
    Hubun 17 March 2015 06: 26
    +6
    APS is still in authority for me, tested by time and practice, in contrast to modern, seemingly more "tasty" samples
    1. insafufa
      insafufa 17 March 2015 07: 27
      +7
      Quote: Hubun
      APS is still in authority for me, tested by time and practice, in contrast to modern, seemingly more "tasty" samples

      Oh good old APS is better than you are gone
      As they say bright memory to Igor Yakovlevich Stechkin
      1. sub307
        sub307 17 March 2015 08: 41
        +2
        Yeah, APS is a legendary weapon. For a stelka in an automatic readymade, it seems to me that an extended store with a larger capacity would not hurt him.
        1. leshiy076
          leshiy076 17 March 2015 18: 36
          +3
          This is hardly necessary. In practice, automatic firing from it is necessary in one case out of a hundred. Twenty rounds and a magazine that does not go beyond the size of the weapon, this is just what you need. A long sighting line is the key to accurate shooting at distances from 30 to 50 m. In general, a pistol, even an automatic one, is not a weapon that is used to create a high density of fire.
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    2. Sma11
      Sma11 17 March 2015 09: 53
      +13
      Another example of the "undeservedly forgotten" great designer.

      “This is a song, not a gun! It feels, as in APS, the creator's love. OTS-27 reminds me of Beretta on the handle. The store is, by the way, more than sane, unlike the Viking, it is easier to equip cartridges in it. I shot from him not one hundred for sure and there has never been a single delay in principle. It feels like the recoil momentum falls below the shutter, approximately at the level of the trigger guard, so the gun doesn’t toss much when shooting. Extended recoil. If you hold it correctly, then the toss will be minimal. The descent is simply gorgeous. Sights for the first time on a Russian pistol meet modern standards.
      The ejection of the store with a button under any arm and, again for the first time, the store falls out at the touch of a button, as it should be with an adult pistol. Normal comfortable trigger. Fuse with safe trigger function. Very high accuracy for military weapons. Keeping on target is easy. From it, the sleeve flies not to the forehead, but to the side. The resource is perhaps the largest of all pistols produced in Russia at present. I am surprised by these opinions that the gun should be light, placed in a cosmetic bag, etc. OTs-Xnumx - it is real, steel, you take it in your hands and you understand that it is forever. Heavy, but he has a normal pistol balance. Just a gun, how it should be. Made by a man who loves pistols, understands what the shooter needs and knows how to do it. No “no analogues”, no “first time in the world”, just a normal, honest gun. You look and feel at him - male. You’ll shoot - yes, for a man’s business a gun ... When he first came across to me, I was surprised, they say, what is it, a foreign car? No, they say ours. Then I experienced a rare sensation for me - the pleasure of a domestic product. They just made the right gun. ”

      Main characteristics

      Caliber: 9 × 19 / 9 × 18 PM / 9 × 18 PMM / 7,62 × 25
      Weapon length: 200 mm
      Barrel length: 125 mm
      Weapon height: 140 mm
      Weapon Width: 35 mm
      Mass without cartridges: 950 g.
      Magazine capacity: 15 / 18 / 18 rounds
      1. silver169
        silver169 17 March 2015 10: 34
        +6
        OTs-27 "Berdysh" is a very beautiful pistol. What a pity that it was not adopted by the RA. ((
        1. 777J
          777J 17 March 2015 21: 48
          +1
          How could he have been adopted by the RA if it did not meet the requirements for army pistols? But he met the requirements of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Where and delivered in small batches. This is all because of the PM cartridge.
          Then it was redone and chambered for Parabellum. Russia bought two cartridge factories for its production in the West. But it was already too late, a series of PYs went into the army.
  3. s1н7т
    s1н7т 17 March 2015 06: 50
    +4
    I liked the machine. It would be interesting to try. I always dreamed of a "bullpup" under the PS-43 with a PKK barrel.
  4. qwert
    qwert 17 March 2015 07: 35
    +11
    His uncle is a famous person. In aviation circles, he nevertheless overshadowed his nephew. By the way, there was an incident when he was stopped by the traffic cops, and when they saw the surname, they thanked them for good weapons and did not dig out, and Boris Sergeyevich Stechkin did not dissuade them that he was another Stechkin.

    Good photo from Commander Che. To this topic...
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 18 March 2015 10: 58
      +1
      Quote: qwert
      His uncle is a famous person.

      It seems like exactly B. Stechkin, together with Kurchevsky, went on an armored car of their own design in October 1917. expel the Bolsheviks from the Kremlin. I don’t remember how their attack ended, but later this episode appeared in the Stechkin case ...
  5. fomkin
    fomkin 17 March 2015 07: 37
    +6
    The article is very interesting. APS is a classic and will be for a long time.
  6. Intsurfer
    Intsurfer 17 March 2015 08: 56
    -1
    >> The young designer Igor Stechkin answered this quite simply: he took a pre-assembled prototype from his pocket and fired 3 rounds with blank cartridges at the ceiling. After such a "performance" in front of the commission, Stechkin was sent home with an excellent mark and a red diploma.

    Nowadays, Stechkin would go to sit under article 222 for the manufacture, wearing and use ...
    1. holgert
      holgert 17 March 2015 09: 55
      +7
      .. who today will replace these ingenious old men ????? office plankton ---- a mixture of liberalism and blueness ??? .....
      1. gross kaput
        gross kaput 17 March 2015 10: 56
        +4
        From the ordinary APS, the new model was distinguished by a removable silencer, as well as minor modifications for its fastening
        The author zhzhot - APB or 6p14 received a detachable sleeve that is worn over the entire barrel with a gap between the walls of the sleeve and the barrel, holes are made in the walls of the barrel closer to the muzzle, on the bottom of the grooves (if memory fails me, then number 4) this was done with the aim of reducing n / s of the bullet to subsonic, in addition to this, the PBS is not mounted on the barrel but on the sleeve. The return has been replaced with a spring of a larger diameter, since the standard one does not fit on the clutch, and milling of the internal cavity of the shutter smoothly follows for the return of an increased diameter.
        1. papik09
          papik09 17 March 2015 14: 44
          +5
          Finally, FSE is true, well, where does this knowledge come from? "+" drinks
          I shot a lot of ammunition from the APSS, after all, and I remember the device. Although ... I’ve already become old, I can also miss from 50 meters ...
          bully drinks hi
          1. gross kaput
            gross kaput 17 March 2015 15: 15
            +1
            Quote: papik09
            Finally, FSE is true, well, where does this knowledge come from? "+"

            Well, all the hotel - as one friend of mine wrote in his resume about his past work - "previous work experience - a large state company" laughing
        2. gross kaput
          gross kaput 18 March 2015 10: 49
          0
          Now I just noticed I’ve stumbled - not 6p14 but 6p13
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 17 March 2015 11: 06
        +1
        Quote: holgert
        .. who today will replace these ingenious old men ????? office plankton ---- a mixture of liberalism and blueness ??? .....

        Well, the Russian land is not completely impoverished with talents, there are talented people. And dummies were enough before.
  7. Vadim-61
    Vadim-61 17 March 2015 10: 38
    +8
    "No face" - like APS.
    1. Robespierre9
      Robespierre9 18 March 2015 08: 53
      0
      Jewish actor in the Jewish propaganda (completely false, as always).
  8. Vadim-61
    Vadim-61 17 March 2015 10: 40
    +1
    another perspective.
  9. Pate
    Pate 17 March 2015 12: 38
    +4
    Glory to Igor Yakovlevich Stechkin! The great was a patriot and designer of domestic small arms along with Kalashnikov and other designers of domestic small arms!
  10. kirpich
    kirpich 17 March 2015 13: 37
    +3
    And yet there is some kind of charisma in these two pistols - PM and APS ... here they ask in hand. Taking them once, you will never forget the sensation of a continuation of the hand. It’s rare to see this in the COP weapons. Is that Luger R-08 more ...
  11. denis02135
    denis02135 17 March 2015 17: 12
    0
    Gentlemen, who knows how the APS differs from GLOCK 18 and Scorpio vz. 61
    Thank you.
    1. gross kaput
      gross kaput 17 March 2015 17: 40
      +4
      Quote: denis02135
      Gentlemen, who knows how the APS differs from GLOCK 18 and Scorpio vz. 61

      I will answer your question - but first, answer my - how is my wife different from Pamela Anderson? laughing
      The question itself is absolutely incorrect, formulate more clearly what you want to know.
      1. dzeredzavkomimu
        dzeredzavkomimu 18 March 2015 00: 53
        +3
        device and the principle of automation, short-recoil free shutter for APS, like PM, short-stroke barrel for Glog, like TT and Colt, and a shot from an open free shutter for Scorp, like many pistol guns
        1. gross kaput
          gross kaput 18 March 2015 14: 56
          +1
          Quote: dzeredzavkomimu
          open free shutter

          Here are the Czechs - for some reason, the trigger trigger was also attached to the rear sear laughing
          The scorpion has a free breechblock but shoots from the "front sear".
    2. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 17 March 2015 17: 41
      +5
      Quote: denis02135
      Gentlemen, who knows how the APS differs from GLOCK 18 and Scorpio vz. 61
      Thank you.

      APS is an automatic pistol initially. Automation scheme - the shutter free travel. There is a moderator of the rate of fire. Material - weapons steel. Consumes one type of cartridges - 9x18PM ... It is completed with attached butts of two types ...

      Glock-18 is an automatic version of the self-loading Glock-17. Automatic scheme - a short stroke of the barrel with an underestimation of the breech on the copier (the so-called "Browning scheme"). Has a line of stores of various capacities. There is no retarder of the rate of fire, which is why the Austrian spits out the entire b / c in a split second. Unreinforced polyamide (weapon-grade plastic) is widely used in the manufacture. It feeds on 9x19 "Pair". Perhaps there are variks for other cartridges, but I have not heard about this yet ... There is no attached butt, but now they are producing a whole line of the so-called. "converters", with the help of which the pistol "turns" into a kind of small-sized PP ...

      "Scorp-61" - and generally refers to small-sized PP. A free shutter, a retarder of the rate of fire is present. Has a number of magazines of different capacities ... Polycaliber - there are options for different types of pistol cartridges. Material - weapon steel ... Structurally has a folding stock, which is more like a shoulder rest ...
      1. denis02135
        denis02135 17 March 2015 23: 33
        +1
        Dear Chicot 1
        Thank you.
  12. gross kaput
    gross kaput 17 March 2015 18: 57
    0
    Quote: Chicot 1
    There is no attached butt

    If you don’t know about something, it doesn’t mean that it isn’t smile - stocks are riveted to the glocks by several offices, they are mounted instead of a removable swivel in the handle cavity where the aetabka is attached
    .
  13. bocsman
    bocsman 17 March 2015 18: 59
    0
    He needs to make any films now! And then modern directors for which Hollywood is the standard of everything in the art of cinema. Fuck everyone licking from the American backside their cheap stamps. You yourself know how many examples! And you just need to remember all these great people. And most importantly, tell children and grandchildren about them!
  14. Droid
    Droid 17 March 2015 19: 18
    +2
    However, due to either the fear of finalizing this sample or due to the unusual nature of the circuit, the machine was “hacked” during the final tests. An automatic design of Nikonov, known today as the AN-94, was recommended for adoption. Many experts today call such a decision erroneous, since the option presented by Igor Stechkin was no worse, and even better in terms of ease of use.

    How not to resist and kick the AN-94, and at the same time the state commission, all the GRAU and the USSR Ministry of Defense?
    AN-94 has surpassed TKB-0146 in reliability this is the main thing. In addition, after the main requirements were met, things such as the opportunity, without alteration, to install the machine in the mounts of armored vehicles and helicopters came onto the scene. And these mounts were sharpened under the AK74, which is why in the final version the AN-94 is close in size and appearance to the AK74. With TKB-0146, such a number will not work.
    1. Sma11
      Sma11 18 March 2015 09: 00
      0
      things such as the opportunity, without alteration, to install the machine in the mount of armored vehicles and helicopters came onto the scene. And these mounts were sharpened under the AK74, which is why in the final version the AN-94 is close in size and appearance to the AK74. With TKB-0146, such a number will not work.

      What is unusual about these mounts? Probably the forearm of the TKB-0146 is special?

      1. Droid
        Droid 18 March 2015 19: 13
        0
        What is unusual about these mounts?

        First of all, these were the BMP / BTR ball mount locks ...
        About helicopters, you need to look in more detail, but it is possible that the forend is not like that.
  15. moskowit
    moskowit 17 March 2015 19: 38
    +4
    Nice weapon, harmonious machine. I first saw it a long time ago, at the end of the 50s. Father at that time was the commander of a howitzer battalion. Once APS brought home. When I saw the wooden holster, I thought that "Mauser", as far as we guys were "advanced", watching films about the Civil War. I remember being disappointed when I saw an ordinary pistol, though very large. Dad attached it to a wooden case and gave me a click, which turned out to be quite difficult. Then in 1972, when we in the KDVO in motorized rifle companies replaced the machine-gun compartments with grenade launchers, put the AGS-17 "Flame" into service, part of the crew was armed with a Stechkin pistol. True, the wooden holster was put on the waist belt of the equipment, by means of a spring clip. The tank crews also had APS, but in huge tarpaulin holsters ...
  16. 777J
    777J 17 March 2015 20: 24
    -5
    APS.
    A more marasmic thing is not easy to imagine. German army Mauser (from the time of 1MB), but on a service cartridge (this alone is insanity in itself) and with the possibility of automatic fire. Insanity squared. Also in the army. Insanity in the cube. Constructor (Stechkin) is not necessary here. It was the Soviet generals who, after the war, moved their brains so much that they half-freaked. If only, most importantly, not like people. PM, APS, AK-47, RPK-47, SKS, RPD. I can’t even list everything, I’m probably missing something. True, we must give them their due, they began to weird long before the war. As a result, I had to fight mainly with small arms 1MV. And closer to the end of the USSR, weirdness also did not cease.
    "Pichalka" is that all the creations of Soviet homemade products should be sent to a landfill (or given to friends, as was the case with the AK-47 and other masterpieces). By world standards, this is a substandard rifle. With PM, this (the beginning of the write-off) has finally already happened. Slowly but surely it will be replaced by the PY.
    And when they begin to utilize the creations of Kalashnikov is still unknown. So far, they just want to somehow pull him up to the point. Empty chores will not work. But, replacing is expensive. Therefore, we will all be hearing for a long time about the uniqueness of the Warrior (Sotnik, Uryadnik and even some Headquarters captain). The main thing is to come up with a prettier name.
    1. Artyom
      Artyom 17 March 2015 20: 49
      +1
      you "friend" forgot to write at the end: "and how I ALL RUSSIAN you and everything that you have done I hate !!!"
      1. 777J
        777J 17 March 2015 21: 27
        -2
        Are you talking to me? Are you out of your mind? What’s your tantrum here?
        If it's rubbish, you should call it rubbish. If you made a normal PYa pistol, then I write, "normal PYa pistol". And who made it to me to the star. Read again what I wrote and calm down.
        By the way, the APS did not make the Russian people. Rather, Soviet. Diplomatically speaking.
        1. Robespierre9
          Robespierre9 17 March 2015 23: 43
          +2
          Calm down! Ich, too, for my taste, a "terminator pistol" just hit the head in the head or throw at the enemy wassat, the dream of a "metalhead", like we will make everything out of steel and to make it more angular - in the style of ghouls from the nineties, it looks so cool, but what will be inconvenient to carry and that such a pistol will come out heavy - so who will be interested, because we have commerce and that's it such - we think how to sell more (this is how it was when this pistol was adopted).

          We love APS because it is more convenient to shoot. there is a longer barrel and it is heavier, hence it is more convenient and the recoil is smaller, everything, in the absence of something more convenient, we use what we have, as they say "sweeter than carrots" did not eat anything, and we have self-defense weapons, by the way, is forbidden, so there is practically no culture of handling such weapons among the population, hence the lesser culture of short-barrels in general ..
          1. 777J
            777J 18 March 2015 00: 32
            -1
            Do you know the purpose of army weapons?
            The problem with any Soviet pistol is that it is difficult for them to destroy the enemy (to kill simply put). And PY, much easier. All because of the cartridge. And the return of PYA, these are still flowers. It is noticeably smaller than any foreign counterpart. It affects the light bullet. In general, the PY is very well designed. In terms of ballistics. Those. competent interaction ligament cartridge - gun.
            And the weak recoil of the APS is just the consequences of a weak police patron. Police weapons have their own goals and objectives. Different from the army. With all this, the APS is too powerful for the police. In other words, "neither there, nor the Red Army."
            1. Robespierre9
              Robespierre9 18 March 2015 08: 50
              +3
              APS is a special forces pistol, the pistol is not needed in the army, it was also considered in the USSR, apparently, when they armed officers with service weapons without caring especially about some of his army attributes, well, like shooting - okay, anyway, it’s only for shooting ranges, the gun is like a full military weapons are rather nonsense.
          2. Sma11
            Sma11 18 March 2015 09: 14
            +2
            PY is also for my taste "terminator pistol" only hit on the head or throw on the enemy, "metalworker's dream", like we’ll make it all out of steel and look a little cooler - in the style of ghouls from the nineties, but it’ll look cooler to carry around and that such a gun will turn out heavy — so who cares, we have commerce and all that - we think sell more (this is exactly what happened when this gun was adopted).

            good good good
            I was "unnerved" in PY that the shells flew headlong what .
    2. Egevich
      Egevich 17 March 2015 21: 54
      +2
      PJ, of course, is not bad, but APS is better, especially which B ... at least from my experience in my specifics ... hi
      yes, by the way, you won’t say anything about the resource PY, at least in general, and not in comparison? ..
      1. 777J
        777J 17 March 2015 22: 17
        -2
        I will not say anything. But I can say a lot of good things about ballistics. Quality thing.
        As for the APS, there is trouble in the cartridge. It is impossible to create a normal main army weapon on the PM cartridge. Just because he is an official. 300 J at the norm of 500-550 J. Is there a difference? He was like that from birth. Who and why put him in the army as the main one is completely unclear. I would still understand PM in caliber 7,62mm. Let's say the PM sleeve and TT bullet. It would have turned out to be a very good army service weapon.
        PM, incidentally, is a fairly high-quality police pistol (official police officer). Actually, like his parent, Walter PP (politsaypistole).
        And APS do not understand that. The concept is not clear. Why was he needed this? What did you achieve? What tasks did you want to solve? It’s completely not clear.
        1. Massik
          Massik 17 March 2015 22: 59
          +1
          Have you ever held a chuck in your hands?)
          If only, most importantly, not like people. PM, APS, AK-47, RPK-47, SKS, RPD.
          And in principle, judging by the flag, I will not dissuade you, remain in happy ignorance ...
          1. 777J
            777J 17 March 2015 23: 06
            -2
            Mom in childhood did not learn to communicate politely? Not yet embarked on training? Thought early? Tell her it's time.
            And at the same time think, why the hell NOBODY IN THE WORLD no longer produced intermediate cartridges of normal caliber and weapons on them. The answer "Everybody in the world is fools, only in the USSR there are only smart" does not roll.
            Yes, here's another. Don't forget how these smartest people quickly leaked "the best in the world" in the 70s. Why's that? Never wondered?
        2. Robespierre9
          Robespierre9 17 March 2015 23: 17
          0
          In the West, in my opinion, they do not understand at all that this APS is so good, apparently due to the fact that the pistol culture there is actually brought to its possible ideal, unlike in our country, where for 20 years they can easily not accept a single sample of such weapons (Nagan , TT, PM - hereinafter special weapons are actually of the type of converted PM - PB, etc.) ..
          1. 777J
            777J 17 March 2015 23: 35
            -1
            Exactly. And not just pistols. In general, all small arms. Everything is clearly painted and structured. Where, what and what should be. There are strict criteria for each species.
            Therefore, PY does not cause any emotions. Everything is strictly within the norms.
            There are also not very large claims to weapons on a cartridge of 7,62x54mm. Yes, the cartridge is rather weak, but quite a bit. In general, it is quite tolerant.
            But no poor and unhappy American (French, British, German, etc.) will ever understand why the Soviet army needed a TT cartridge (actually sports). And a weapon on it. PM cartridge and weapons on it, as the main army. After all, the cartridge is official, police !!! Ammunition 7,62x39mm and 5,45x39mm and weapons on them. Why for the army to issue IT, if instead of it it would be possible to produce normal cartridges and weapons on them. Moreover, for the same money !!! They do not find the answer and arrive in great bewilderment.
            In the post-Soviet space, few people understand weapons in general. But everyone knows perfectly well that the Soviet is the best in the world. Why? Because they memorized it from childhood. And it’s impossible to convince anyone. And you can not criticize. In response, you can hear only tantrums, such as Artyom's tantrums Today, 20:49. It's a pity.
          2. dzeredzavkomimu
            dzeredzavkomimu 18 March 2015 00: 29
            +2
            Nuuuuu, for example, in the West I’m still doing Colts for 10 years, I’m silent about drummers, is Glog ideal? Beretta? The same century-old mechanics are just more beautiful, because we need to sell, but we don’t need, we need for the army))) there and so come down like a UAZ
            1. 777J
              777J 18 March 2015 00: 35
              -1
              Any weapon is good. If it meets the standards and criteria of its class. And vice versa.
    3. Mik13
      Mik13 18 March 2015 02: 41
      +3
      Quote: 777J
      By world standards, this is a small substandard. With PM, this (the beginning of decommissioning) has finally already happened. Slowly, but surely, it is replaced by PY.
      And when they begin to utilize the creations of Kalashnikov is still unknown. So far, they just want to somehow pull him up to the point. Empty chores will not work. But, replacing is expensive. Therefore, we will all be hearing for a long time about the uniqueness of the Warrior (Sotnik, Uryadnik and even some Headquarters captain). The main thing is to come up with a prettier name.


      Quote: 777J
      As for the APS, there is trouble in the cartridge. It is impossible to create a normal main army weapon on the PM cartridge. Just because he is an official. 300 J at the norm of 500-550 J. Is there a difference? He was like that from birth. Who and why put him in the army as the main one is completely unclear. I would still understand PM in caliber 7,62mm. Let's say the PM sleeve and TT bullet. It would have turned out to be a very good army service weapon.
      PM, incidentally, is a fairly high-quality police pistol (official police officer). Actually, like his parent, Walter PP (politsaypistole).
      And APS do not understand that. The concept is not clear. Why was he needed this? What did you achieve? What tasks did you want to solve? It’s completely not clear.


      Quote: 777J
      Exactly. And not just pistols. In general, all small arms. Everything is clearly painted and structured. Where, what and what should be. There are strict criteria for each species.


      Each army has its own requirements for weapons. Therefore, if somewhere you have something painted and structured, then the discrepancy between the surrounding reality and your erotic fantasies is your problem. Accept it and humble yourself.

      As for the army pistol - so many people think that this is the main weapon of the command staff. But in fact, the commander’s main weapon is his subordinates. And if the commander has to shoot, then it is exclusively in self-defense. Therefore, the gun must be light so as not to interfere, and trouble-free in any conditions. And PM, like an army pistol, fully meets these requirements even now.

      As for the APS, its main purpose is the individual weapon of those for whom the PM is not enough, and the AKM is a lot. A good weapon for its purposes, by the way. And to adopt a separate cartridge for such a weapon - idiocy. Then this niche was occupied by AKS-74U.

      Separately, I would like to ask you to reveal the meaning of the term "normal main army weapon" and to clarify on which cartridge it should be created? Unless, of course, it bothers you.
      1. leshiy076
        leshiy076 20 March 2015 14: 46
        +1
        I absolutely agree with you. When we talk about military term weapons, I remember the words of Mikhail Timofeevich: "everything complicated is not needed, but everything you need is simple." And it's generally funny when a person saw pistols in the movies or in pictures and argues which one is better.
        1. leshiy076
          leshiy076 20 March 2015 20: 58
          0
          Mistaken, read the rifle correctly.
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      3. Alex
        Alex 22 March 2015 17: 54
        +2
        Quote: Mik13
        As for the army pistol - so many people think that this is the main weapon of the command staff. But in fact, the commander’s main weapon is his subordinates. And if the commander has to shoot, then it is exclusively in self-defense.



        “Are you a good pistol shooter?”
        - Yes, as you say, not really.
        - Then hide the browning. You are a commander, your weapon is a platoon and company. A pistol is like that, a personal weapon for personal purposes.

        Feature film "Red Square", dialogue between Commissioner Amelin (S. Lyubshchin) and Second Lieutenant Kutasov (V. Shalevich).
  17. La-5
    La-5 17 March 2015 22: 04
    +2
    It is bad that the article does not say anything about Stechkin’s work in the field of silent weapons. Stechkin designed a silent shooting cigarette case, becoming the ancestor of a series of silent cartridges with a cut-off of powder gases inside the cartridge case and weapons under them.
    1. 777J
      777J 17 March 2015 23: 20
      -2
      These are generally dubious "achievements". Weapon design is generally questionable. But there may be excuses. Like, to defend the Motherland. And the construction of silent weapons is palely complete. There is no smell of protection of the Motherland here. But he has a lot of fun with terrorism.
      1. dzeredzavkomimu
        dzeredzavkomimu 18 March 2015 00: 32
        +1
        Well, yes, to remove noiselessly sentry is this terrorism ?, then the whole American and British army were terrorists, because they started to use such weapons in the second world
        1. 777J
          777J 18 March 2015 00: 36
          0
          From a cigarette case? Are the American and British armies armed with firing cigarette cases?
          1. dzeredzavkomimu
            dzeredzavkomimu 18 March 2015 01: 18
            0
            you don’t have to juggle the words with the public, talking about silent weapons and then retrigging at the cigars, your words-design of the SILENT WEAPON is foolish, smacks of terrorism and you don’t defend your homeland like that. Have you mentioned cigarette cases or are you talking about silent weapons? are you looking here?
            1. gross kaput
              gross kaput 18 March 2015 10: 41
              0
              Quote: dzeredzavkomimu
              no need to distort the words to the public, talking about silent weapons and then re-rig on the cigars, your words-design of the SILENT WEAPON

              Did a fawn google you banned? Stechkin silent firing devices made in the form factor of cigarette cases TKB506 and TKB506a under the cartridge SP-2
              1. dzeredzavkomimu
                dzeredzavkomimu 19 March 2015 22: 49
                0
                you’ll see a deer in the mirror, read our dispute with 777J, and then get in a head and with digital figures taken from the Internet I should not surprise
                1. gross kaput
                  gross kaput 22 March 2015 11: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: dzeredzavkomimu
                  then get in the head

                  First you finish your primary school son, and then discuss on the subject
                  Quote: dzeredzavkomimu
                  Silent Weapon design words fawn full, smacks of terrorism

                  Kindergarten.
      2. Nrsimha42
        Nrsimha42 18 March 2015 02: 47
        0
        Listen, aren’t you an dill-spy for an hour? Do you change the flag of the country of residence for each post?
    2. gross kaput
      gross kaput 18 March 2015 10: 35
      +1
      Quote: La-5
      becoming the founder of a series of silent cartridges with a cutoff of powder gases inside the liner and weapons under them.

      No, the first was Gurevich with a special revolver complex - a special cartridge with a gas cut-off and a liquid pusher, although many have heard about him, but no one has seen - the story about the gopher from the "DMB" movie is straight.
  18. dzeredzavkomimu
    dzeredzavkomimu 17 March 2015 22: 41
    +3
    777J but what about people? Who wouldn’t lie like? Engram, m-16 and other rubbish, ask the Americans about the ak-47, to the dump? How is the non-senile weapon praised by you different from our senile one, by the presence of plastic? I needed a more powerful cartridge, like Gyurza, where did the PS come in? The technical task was under the Makarov cartridge, which Stechkin did, for that you don’t have to put special weapons under silent shooting, like behind a mound. to Colt neither TT silencer nor screw. And the words - .. to the landfill of the creation of Soviet self-made .. yes there is no desire to comment. About GSh forgotten
    1. 777J
      777J 17 March 2015 22: 57
      0
      GSH Russian gun, not Soviet.
      I read the phrase:
      Constructor (Stechkin) is not necessary here. It was the Soviet generals who, after the war, moved their brains so much that they half-freaked.

      Another read:
      APS do not understand that. The concept is not clear. Why was he needed this? What did you achieve? What tasks did you want to solve? It’s completely not clear.

      PYa differs from Gyurza in a cheap cartridge. Yes Yes. It turned out to be cheaper to buy in the West cartridge factories chambered for Parabellum than to equip PM cartridges with expensive gunpowder, turning them into PMM cartridges. Here is such a "army cartridge" PM was adopted by the Soviet generals.
      Plastic is not a hindrance. But the fig ballistics of Soviet cartridges, a hindrance. It is necessary to understand once and for all for ourselves that during the USSR it was not accepted into service NO ONE standard cartridge of small arms of normal caliber and less. Although only the main army was adopted four. All substandard. Such were Soviet specialists, what should I do? Ustinov these stupid and others.
      Now I have to fix it. 2 plants for the Parabellum cartridge have already been bought. Now you can bet what will be bought next. Plants under the American caliber or under the Chinese. I would bet that they won’t buy anything. The money is over. And so it would be necessary to buy under the American. He is better.
      1. dzeredzavkomimu
        dzeredzavkomimu 18 March 2015 00: 15
        0
        Well, for TT many who made cartridges of different quality, the Czechs are the best. The main thing is to work without misfires in the cartridge, and the millimeter accuracy in the otaka is not particularly needed, doing biathlon didn’t soar whose cartridges, ours or German, fatigue and wind are the main enemy They will provide accurate shooting, and they will provide superfluous cartridges of a small series, So the Ministry of Agriculture bought it and the Leopards wanted it, it’s funny, Vasilyeva, pistols are more complicated under the Parabelum cartridge, I’ve had enough PM, one damn thing is far from one hand and even with shortness of breath and near ok, I really don’t like the pen, so I got hold of the TT
        1. 777J
          777J 18 March 2015 00: 41
          -1
          The main thing in the cartridge to meet the goals and objectives of its class.
          And for weapons, the main thing is to use cartridges of the corresponding class and level.
          If you use a sports cartridge (for example, TT) in an army pistol and PP, then all these weapons will be rubbish. It can shoot. Maybe he can shoot without fail and for a long time. It may be great to lie in your hand and have a superbrutal appearance. But it will not be able to perform its duties well. And this is the main thing.
      2. dzeredzavkomimu
        dzeredzavkomimu 18 March 2015 00: 44
        0
        dear 777J, where did I mention the country of the producer on the GS issue? I know well the story, well, if it is so important then Gryazev was born in the USSR and hatched the GS concept from the Soviet era (from its interior), but again the muffler cannot be connected, although in principle of a jump there’s no barrel, there’s a turn of it, Brett’s remains there, the barrel does not jump and does not spin, but slides like an officer parabellum in the Mauser. So where is the novelty of the ideas — better bullets? not to landfill then?
    2. 777J
      777J 17 March 2015 23: 16
      0
      I looked through it. And why the army weapons with a silencer? Why does a platoon muffler? Whom will he water quietly?
      1. dzeredzavkomimu
        dzeredzavkomimu 18 March 2015 00: 18
        0
        aaaaaa, well, if only for platoons, then yes, the Glog will come down there, light as much as 150 grams and don’t hook the jerk off, then yes
  19. dzeredzavkomimu
    dzeredzavkomimu 17 March 2015 22: 54
    0
    for 777J ammunition with a cut-off the same insanity as all our weapons))) Recently Descaveri watched about American modern gold miners, how they rest on the mines, since they are almost all Kalash and SCS armed with pump engines, some of them were senile, they had 777J need to consult about the right weapon, he knows that, he ..burn..more slurped them)))
    1. 777J
      777J 17 March 2015 23: 02
      0
      You still give an example. Or drug dealers from Latin America.
      What does the army know? Do you know its goals and objectives? Methods of warfare? Do not compare the army with a gang. Even American gold miners.
    2. denis02135
      denis02135 17 March 2015 23: 54
      0
      Dear Dzeredzyavkomimu

      It’s not a matter of quality, but of price, I would buy a TAVOR-21 but it is 3-4 times more expensive than an AK. Recently bought Mosinka for 180 (a little expensive) 41g. (the same American is 400 and above) plus Russian cartridges are much cheaper. So everything depends on the price. Mossberg-500 can be bought for 220-250 breaks do not mind throwing and buy a new one.
  20. dzeredzavkomimu
    dzeredzavkomimu 17 March 2015 23: 54
    +2
    and they all probably don’t want to live your way? Well, the American army is not much different from the gang, well, that’s the lyrics. I know everything about the army and its tasks, you can call your army only foreign, because it has the right weapon for your personal opinion? As for the gang of gold miners, most of the former warriors are there, if you are interested, and they know the tasks of the army and each weapon and weapons in particular no less than you. You don’t understand the meaning of creating a submarine, or AK-47 etc. .d according to the list? You’re somehow determined, here’s a phrase from the American film about the top ten best machines, said the Colt factory engineer. If there is an eclipse of Western civilization, all I want is to have AK-47, it’s about the landfill of self-made ones. And the task of the PS in its compactness for the crews of armored vehicles and other auxiliary units, do you say PM with a cartridge from the TT for the army? At the same time, calling the PM is rubbish is good for policemen. Need. Like AK they were designed under the cartridge , and not vice versa. In your trouble PS that it is bad as such, and not because of a weak cartridge. Yes, there is a Beretta 92, but between them for 20 years, therefore, the Beretta is more powerful because it is more difficult and why didn’t we take a parabelum cartridge in the 50s? Probably, what would Do not complicate the design of the PM and PS, God knows them, for the trunk is rigidly fixed to the frame. You probably know that in the USA they are setting up production of AK and RPGs, why is this suddenly? Are their landfills empty?
  21. dzeredzavkomimu
    dzeredzavkomimu 17 March 2015 23: 58
    +1
    But Tavor, like my friend dropped from a truck, the receiver burst in Ossetia, so it’s inconvenient for me to shoot the bullet with my dad from around the corner, the store is bothering me, but the price and import are always much more expensive
  22. La-5
    La-5 20 March 2015 08: 03
    0
    Quote: gross kaput
    Quote: La-5
    becoming the founder of a series of silent cartridges with a cutoff of powder gases inside the liner and weapons under them.

    No, the first was Gurevich with a special revolver complex - a special cartridge with a gas cut-off and a liquid pusher, although many have heard about him, but no one has seen - the story about the gopher from the "DMB" movie is straight.

    I am aware that Stechkin took the idea of ​​Gurevich? but it was Stechkin who brought it to mind and created a fully functional model of weapons.
    1. gross kaput
      gross kaput 20 March 2015 17: 37
      -1
      Quote: La-5
      I am aware that Stechkin took the idea of ​​Gurevich? but it was Stechkin who brought it to mind and created a fully functional model of weapons.

      I doubt very much that if you were in the know you would know that the Gurevich revolver was put into service - i.e. was fully functional. laughing