Russia is being attacked because it is an alternative to the American model of global order
РI: Oleg Shenderyuk, a correspondent of our website, spoke with the leader of the French National Front, a member of the European Parliament, Marine Le Pen in Brussels, just in those days when it was decided whether the Minsk agreements would remain in force in a situation of escalation of the military conflict around Debaltseve; to preserve peace, despite all the efforts of the American Congress to undermine it. Of course, in a conversation with Ms. Le Pen, the Ukrainian question was also raised. But the main topic of discussion was the problem that is often posed by the authors of our publication and which receives a different solution - whether Russia is still Europe, or, as Nikolai Danilevsky once determined, it refers to something different than the Roman-German cultural-historical to type.
It is clear that Europe with its center in Brussels, Europe Angels Merkel and Dali Grybauskaite, Europe, applauding Madonna and the girls from Pussy Riot, under no circumstances consider Russia to be hers, and she probably will not accept any existing Russia, but - any Russia inhabited by Russians.
But then there is another Europe, the one that Mrs. Le Pen represents and her party, already standing two steps from the Elysian Palace, will Russia be a stranger for them too? The Americans who are very benevolent towards Russia say that Russia and Europe should disperse in their spaces, and Ukraine can remain a neutral buffer between them. Will continental conservatives agree on the final geopolitical divorce between Russia and Europe, the most powerful politician in the midst of which today is Marine Le Pen? And is not their position the last straw for which Russia can grasp in order not to go headlong into the depths of Eurasia?
Oleg Shenderyuk
Madame Le Pen, for you Russia is a part of Europe, a bridge between Europe and Asia or an independent civilization?
Marine Le Pen
I think that Russia is a European country, and for this reason we would like to see Europe from Brest from Vladivostok. And in the project of the Europe we want to build, a national European, free and sovereign, Russia will undoubtedly take its place. Therefore, Russia should strengthen relations with European countries, especially with France, in terms of strategic, in terms of security and in terms of energy. And I must say frankly, in terms of strategic: if we do not strengthen our relations, if the EU continues the cold war, which it is now leading with Russia, this will push Russia into the arms of China. And thus, we will return to the bipolar world, whereas our goal is a multipolar world.
Oleg Shenderyuk
And what should be the place of Russia in Europe?
Marine Le Pen
I believe that the Europe we talked about, that is, Europe is national, free and sovereign, Europe is cooperation, Europe that made Airbus is Europe where each country is aware of its interests and participates in a common project, a common market, having, of course, some of its advantages within the European space, except in cases where this contradicts the common European interests. The EU today is under US-German domination, and those decisions that the union takes are no longer independent: they often correspond to the interests of Germany or the interests of the United States, but never the interests of European nations.
Oleg Shenderyuk
You talked about the problem of US influence. But is the problem in the European elite and not only the German elite, but the elite as a whole, which is rather liberal?
Marine Le Pen
This is the main problem. Because when Americans defend their positions, we can understand them. In the end, it is difficult to resist. But what is unacceptable and unbearable is the situation when the leaders of European countries, instead of protecting the interests of their states, defend the interests of the United States or the interests of Germany. This is unbearable. The right, as well as the left, submitted to this global ideology, which turned the money into the alpha and omega of all life, an ideology borrowed from the United States, but which is being introduced today by force in the European Union. The United States exports this ideology, but does not extend it to itself, I assure you. For themselves, they nurture economic patriotism, strengthen economic barriers, but at the same time they demand from the EU that it act in the opposite way. And the entire ensemble of the European elite is absolutely Atlantic today in the sense that their choice is to defend the interests of a great power, although the United States is a great power, which, in fact, does not need us to defend its interests. They can do it themselves.
Oleg Shenderyuk
Do you think that if you become the President of the Republic, you will also come under US pressure?
Marine Le Pen
No, I do not think so. That is why I expect to replace the existing French elites with one candidate who will be the candidate of the French people. The only thing that interests me is the interests of France. When making this or that decision, I wonder if it is in the interests of France? If the decision is combined with the interests of France - I accept this decision. If not, then no. I well see that, for example, the transatlantic alliance is a provocation, the purpose of which is to ensure that the EU finally gets into economic bondage to the United States. I do not want it. And we in the European Parliament are fighting with all our strength to prevent the project, which is a tool for the enslavement of Europe and which does not meet the economic interests of France, to be realized.
Oleg Shenderyuk
In Russia, many people believe that Europe is liberal has nothing to do with Russia, in contrast to Europe conservative. Do you think that Russia can be included in the European conservative project?
Marine Le Pen
The term conservatism used here is too broad. In reality, the split that divided Europe is a split between those who protect the nation and those who are influenced by post-national globalism, which ignores borders, denies the common heritage, common values and identity of each people. In today's Europe, I repeat, the totalitarianism of the “globalizers” left its mark on various peoples. By defending the nation, we are defending democracy; defending economic patriotism, we uphold the right of the people to reap primarily the fruits of the welfare that it creates. And speaking in favor of the traditional values of the country, we undoubtedly find points of contact with Russia. After all, Russia is being attacked with such force today, because it is a counter-model of the American model. Without prejudice and prejudice, we can say that tomorrow nothing will prevent us from balancing approaches and establishing allied and fraternal relations with Russia: we are really drawn together story, but no less we are brought together by the values that we defend. And, no doubt, the point of contact is a sovereign economic project.
Oleg Shenderyuk
How do you assess the role of Russia in the Minsk agreements? In general, do you think that these agreements are a chance for peace in Europe?
Marine Le Pen
Yes, I think this is a chance. In any case, everything that gathers people at the same table is a movement in the right direction. Alas, the United States was exponentially looking for ways to unleash a war. And we know that for the USA the war in Ukraine is not the first war unleashed in Europe. Kosovo was the result of the same effort. And we are familiar with the consequences of such an escalation. And, of course, the fact that France and Germany sat down at the same table with Russia and agreed on something indicates that from the very beginning it was necessary to go this way. If from the very beginning Russia was involved in the diplomatic process, we would not be in the position we are in today. It is to be hoped that these agreements will be respected by all who signed them, and, perhaps, the establishment of agreements is the biggest problem for the Kiev authorities, who must make security forces comply with these agreements, which it obviously does not control.
Oleg Shenderyuk
In your opinion, did Russia play a significant role in the conclusion of these agreements?
Marine Le Pen
In any case, the agreement would not have taken place if Russia had not played its role. It is obvious. I repeat: it would be impossible to find a diplomatic solution without Russia. To think that such a solution could have been found without Russia is complete absurdity. So the fact that Russia is a new player in this diplomatic process is a good sign for me. And then we need the help of your country to fight fundamental Islamism, since this is one of the main dangers, and Russia knows this problem well. So all objective circumstances encourage us to normalize relations, one might say warm and close relations, but so far it has been the European capitals that have made a different choice.
Oleg Shenderyuk
Do you think that Ukraine and the self-proclaimed republics of Donbass are a buffer zone between NATO and Russia or something else?
Marine Le Pen
Listen, there were agreements after the unification of Germany against the expansion of the borders of NATO to the borders of Russia. So, obviously, there is someone who violates these agreements today. And those who do this, seeking to involve Ukraine in NATO, are trying to carry out a provocation. Ukraine should not be a buffer zone - it should be a bridge between the EU and Russia, but this is contrary to American goals.
Oleg Shenderyuk
And what should be the role of France in this peace process?
Marine Le Pen
It must be substantial. But in order for France to play a peacekeeping role, it is necessary that everyone feels that she is free and independent. Today she made it clear that she is no longer such. And the Mistral case was the best demonstration of this lack of independence. France’s obedience to Obama’s demands for breaking this contract was convincing evidence that France is engaged in servicing diplomatic interests that are not its interests. If France finds an opportunity to break out of this dependence and find a voice to be heard again, then it will play a fundamental role.
Oleg Shenderyuk
Should France have its own geopolitical interests? In Asia, in Africa, in the Middle East?
Marine Le Pen
Yes, I believe that France has geopolitical interests, which, of course, it must protect. Just like Russia, France has zones of influence. In particular, in Africa. And we see that some countries, taking advantage of our weakness, want to oust us from these zones. The fact that France is not fighting for its interests creates a fundamental problem.
Oleg Shenderyuk
I want to ask you a little personal question. Your father, Jean-Marie Le Pen, was openly opposed to the USSR. And many anti-Sovietists transferred their attitude towards the USSR to Russia, however, he and you did not do that. Why?
Marine Le Pen
Because you have to be a complete idiot not to understand: Russia is not the USSR. The USSR is over. Those for whom, Russia is the USSR, remained mentally in the eighties and did not evolve. They chose the path of mental comfort and intellectual laziness, - which is obviously a great folly. Well, we are smart people, we follow the story. We rejoice at the end of the USSR, we rejoice that Russia today is a free and democratic country. And therefore we do not understand why Russia is being treated even worse than in the Soviet era.
Oleg Shenderyuk
I now have a question about France. Do you think that all political forces, from communists to UMP, will unite against you before the 2017 presidential election?
Marine Le Pen
I do not know if they will do it in the first round, but, obviously, they will do it in the second. Of course, they will do it, because they have a serious ideological affinity. I am not talking about the Communists - they mean nothing more today. But the UMP and PS (socialists) have become a global party today. What we call UMPS in France is not just a slogan, it is a political reality. On immigration, the EU, the euro, geopolitics, Syria, Libya, Russia - they have exactly the same position. So it is quite possible that they will unite in the second round and thereby restore political bipolarity, just not the same between the right and the left (that is, between the UMP and PS), but in an updated form - between the National Front and the global party UMPS.
Oleg Shenderyuk
Do you have allies? Do you consider allies such politicians as Philippe de Villiers or Alain de Benoit?
Marine Le Pen
If you want, our ally is the French people. Of course, there are people who join us: the Gaullists, the former communists, the former socialists, the old Ruhr. Today, the NF is the only patriotic force capable of uniting the French of a wide variety of political views, precisely because of the new division: nation vs. globalization. We think that a nation is the most efficient structure capable of ensuring security, prosperity and the protection of people's identity. Our political opponents have a completely different vision. There are so many patriotic French who want to join us, who have already joined us and who will do it tomorrow.
Oleg Shenderyuk
If in a few years the UK leaves the EU and we see the collapse of the EU, will we see the formation of several European centers?
Marine Le Pen
I do not think. I think that under such conditions the EU will no longer exist. I believe that the EU is like the USSR: many try to revive it in the heart or in the spirit (esprit), saying that it could become better. But to think so is like saying that it would be good if there were democracy, political pluralism and private property in the USSR. Well, of course, but in that case, it would no longer be the USSR. And the same thing: the EU without ultra-liberalism, with clear borders, with nations that will again be sovereign and will be able to decide their future for themselves, and with economic patriotism, will no longer be a European Union. It will be necessary to recreate the European space with nations that will be fully masters of their freedom, sovereignty and political course. This space will remain Europe, but it will no longer be the European Union.
Oleg Shenderyuk
In your opinion, does Russia, like France, have the right to protect compatriots living outside its territories?
Marine Le Pen
Of course. If we talk about Ukraine-there live Russian, who do not have Russian citizenship, but there is Ukrainian citizenship. This is the problem of Ukraine. Another problem is that Ukraine is a bit artificial, with cultures that are radically different in its eastern and western parts. It is correct to say that a multicultural society is also multi-problem. What does not serve anything good is blackmail on the part of the EU, Germany and the United States, aimed at ensuring that these two different cultures are divided again and, ultimately, in conflict. And if no effort is made from either side, Ukraine may explode. The only reasonable solution to the Ukrainian problem, which we proposed from the very beginning of the escalation of the situation, even before the Crimean referendum, is the federalization of Ukraine with a large coordinated autonomy for the regions, allowing them to live within the culture that they have.
Oleg Shenderyuk
Thank you very much!
Marine Le Pen
You are welcome!
- Oleg Shenderyuk
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