Stanislav Tarasov. US may tacitly recognize Iran as a nuclear power

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US President Barack Obama extended sanctions against Iran. The press service of the White House reports it, citing a letter from the head of state sent to Congress. “Certain actions and policies of the Iranian government continue to pose an extraordinary threat to national security, foreign policy, and the US economy,” the document says. “Therefore, the sanctions announced on 15 March 1995 of the year should remain in effect after 15 March 2015 of the year.” At the same time, Obama called on Congress to abandon additional sanctions against Iran, while negotiations are under way to curb its nuclear program: 15 March in Lausanne, a meeting will be held between US Secretary of State John Kerry and Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif outside the format of the six. As for the “six” itself, its “negotiations with Iran“ have reached the stage at which Tehran needs to make a political decision, ”the American president said. “I don’t see how further extension of the terms of these talks could be useful,” said Obama, refusing earlier to meet with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu after he addressed congressional condemnation of the US policy towards Iran.

However, in such a situation, it was logical to follow the path of easing the sanctions, which would stimulate the preparation of a mutually acceptable agreement on the Iranian nuclear program on the eve of June 30 of 2015 - the deadline for completing the negotiations. According to the host of the White House, expressed by the CBS television channel, “the agreement should give Western governments the right to make sure that Iran is not going to create a nuclear weaponand if deceived, the United States and allies should have enough time to react. ” Obama warned: "If we do not achieve such conditions, we will not reach an agreement." It was at this point that the congressmen proposed to adopt a bill, according to which (if the agreement was not signed by the deadline), regular severe sanctions would be introduced against Iran. Anticipating attempts to pass this law before the scheduled date, the president threatens: "If Congress adopts a law on new sanctions, I will veto it as a threat to diplomatic progress." This was the paradoxical situation in which the White House in Congress actually turned out to be on the side of Tehran, which gave rise to the senator from New Jersey and influential member of the foreign affairs committee Robert Menendez to accuse Obama of treason. “The more I hear the statements of the president and his administration about Iran, the more they look like voicing theses coming from Tehran,” Menendez quipped. Perhaps, in order to avoid further unwinding of this political plot, Obama decided, for tactical reasons, to make a preemptive move, extending the sanctions.

In this regard, many US experts urge to be more attentive to the "Iranian hole" in the policy of the White House in the Middle East, in order to reveal the contours of the political-diplomatic combination it is carrying out regarding Tehran. According to the Washington Post, you need to understand why the president, building a diplomatic course towards Iran, unexpectedly qualifies negotiations with him as “promising,” and runs the risk of provoking the so-called Lockerbie effect, when the attitude of the political establishment to him began to change with cautious distrust of outright hostility “, while he makes no effort to submit to the relevant congressional committees a more or less detailed report on the state of negotiations with Tehran outside the format "Six".

Why does the White House waste its political capital on secret correspondence with the Iranian leadership? The Wall Street Journal previously reported that Iran’s spiritual leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei responded to an Obama letter sent last November, in which a decision on a nuclear program was linked to Tehran’s participation in the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant coalition (ISIL), based on "common interests". The Iranian Foreign Ministry described Khamenei’s response to the letter as “respectful”, but evasive. We can not ignore the political scandal that erupted in Washington after a group of Republican senators 47 sent a letter to the Iranian leadership, which expressed doubts that agreements on the atomic problem of Tehran with the current US administration would continue after the election of a new president. Obama called such actions "an unusual coalition" of members of Congress and supporters of the "hard line" in Iran. Ex-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Vice President Joseph Biden spoke out on the actions of the Republicans and Kerry described the case as “unprecedented in all stories American diplomacy. "

All this suggests that the formula “nuclear program - participation in the fight against ISIS” contains an important intermediate link, which the parties prefer while they are silent about. We turn first to the atomic problem. The desires of the “six” in this direction are marked: Tehran must give up the desire to acquire nuclear weapons, while retaining the opportunity to conduct research on the peaceful atom. But there is also a position expressed by the former head of Nativ Israel’s special services, Yakov Kedmi, who believes that Iran does not pose a military threat to Israel. According to him, a hypothetical military operation against Tehran will not bring significant results and can delay the appearance of the Iranian bomb for a maximum of one and a half to two years. Kedmi stresses that “the United States does not want to see Iran as a nuclear state, but at one time they didn’t want it with respect to India and Pakistan, too, so it seems that the Americans have accepted that Iran will continue its nuclear program. It is on this field that the US-Israel partnership card and the US desire to improve relations with Tehran are being played. That is, Washington can secretly go for the recognition of Iran’s nuclear power status, but with its mandatory participation in the fight against jihadists, which will make it possible to win the designated “one and a half to two years”.

Now back to ISIS. The Iranian agency FARS believes that the “Islamic State”, formed on the basis of the ideology of Takfirism, is a serious challenge to Tehran’s policy and complicates the security situation. First of all, we are talking about the actions of the militants in the western regions of the country inhabited mainly by Sunnis, who are not satisfied with the Shiite power of the Islamic Republic. The anti-government Islamist group PJAK also operates there. At the same time, no one should be embarrassed by the fact that most Iranian Sunnis belong to the Shafiite trend, which has nothing to do with Hanbalism (another legal school of Sunni Islam) and is located closer to the Shiites. Iran’s participation in the coalition could be a pretext for shifting the front of the struggle of jihadists to the Iranian direction together with the activization of ultra-Islamic associations in neighboring Afghanistan. This particular. But in general, the geographical and geopolitical horizons of the Sunni-Shiite confrontation are capable of spreading throughout the Middle East with the release of ISIS in the South Caucasus.

With the emergence and strengthening of the “Islamic state”, Obama strongly delays the sending of American soldiers to the conflict zone, but demands that the Turkish Armed Forces take part in the ground operation, and “thinly” lead ”Iran to this option. Iraq and Syria are already split after many years of civil and ethnoreligious war unleashed by Washington and their allies under the slogan of "democratization" (the so-called "Arab Spring"). Ankara is seduced by the prospects of strengthening its geopolitical positions in the region, Iran by the status of a nuclear power, ISIS with unpunished opportunity to establish itself within certain boundaries and continue the “historical jihad”, and the Kurds with the prospects for the emergence of an independent state. As the Pentagon’s press secretary, John Kirby, stated, “time is of particular importance now,” “selection of partners with serious motivation to participate in hostilities” and “an element of strategic patience that must be taken into account.” Another thing is that many in Washington consider Obama’s chosen strategy of actions in the Middle East as idealistic and urge the White House to pursue a more realistic policy in this region. But if the president really succeeds in reaching an alliance with Tehran, this, according to the Wall Street Journal, will be "his only diplomatic victory in the region", along with "his only military victory in Libya."

The United States in Afghanistan spent 13 years in unsuccessful attempts to transform this country and defeat the Taliban. The invasion of Iraq for the destruction of non-existent weapons of mass destruction destroyed Iraqi society, untied the hands of radical elements, which later laid the foundations of the Islamic State. The bombing of Libya extended the civil war that killed thousands of people, led to the proliferation of weapons throughout the region, provoked a protracted power struggle in an artificially formed state. Every new political or military move by Americans in the Middle East, as a rule, leads to the emergence of new problems and crises. So we will wait for the end of Washington and the "Iranian party", if it takes place, of course.
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  1. +11
    15 March 2015 06: 36
    There is no point on planet Earth where the interests of SyShyPy are not affected (not a typo!)
    The whole world under mattress sanctions
    1. +1
      15 March 2015 14: 14
      Iran will never follow Obama’s lead. Agreements on the construction of 9 nuclear power units have long been signed with Russia.
  2. Viktor Kudinov
    +5
    15 March 2015 06: 46
    The American policy towards Iran is unlikely to be crowned with success, since the Arab countries opposing the strengthening of Iran's role in the region - these are Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, etc. - will not be able to agree to a full-fledged settlement of relations. The United States will lose relatively strong relations with these countries in favor of Iran. can not. Again, bargaining over the "atomic status of Iran" is fraught with increased disagreements in the ruling elite of the States. Therefore, Obama is likely to continue to adhere to the line of containing Iran with its nuclear plans. hi
    1. +6
      15 March 2015 12: 10
      Iran will not accept deals with states because it sees through them (in principle, both the Chinese and Russia and many other countries have already understood everything - who steers the amers and what they are trying to achieve)
      Only some sort of diplomatic game is possible to win time and position

      Iranians along with Syria at the forefront of the struggle against world aggressors

      I will make a "repost of myself)" - I already wrote:

      First, Iran and Syria are already fighting for all of us now - without waiting for the rise of China, like many potential allies

      Secondly, Iran and Syria are ready even now to join at least the SCO at least in the CST

      Many times, many Iranian leaders directly stated that Russia (and our Kazakhstan, by the way) they consider only as friendly countries

      Both Iran and Syria were admitted to the most progressive ALBA organization in fact - the Bolivarian Union - where every president is an unselfish freedom fighter - even Muhika (who is really a holy man), even the legendary Evo Morales or Carrera or Ortega with Castro, etc.)

      Iran is the natural natural enemy of the Saudis - medieval obscurantists sponsoring terrorists in both the Russian Federation and Central Asia, as well as the natural adversary of all our other common geopolitical opponents

      The Iranian president bluntly stated at the last Caspian Sami that they will help Russia with everything they can

      Recently, the railway line was launched with Kazakhstan - which was built for a long time - but finally launched - the possibility of blocking Iran has ended - even though the entire fleet of aggressors is blocking the coast - but the railway will connect Iran now with both Russia and China (the president of Iran personally attended the ceremony Rouhani and our Nursultan Abishevich)
      1. 0
        17 March 2015 00: 39
        Iran will not accept deals with the states because it sees through them (in principle, both the Chinese and Russia and many other countries have already understood everything - who steers the amers and what they are trying to achieve). First, Iran and Syria are already fighting for all of us now - without waiting for the rise of China, like many potential allies.
        Secondly, Iran and Syria are ready even now to join at least the SCO at least in the CST


        People who don’t see through are not taken into politics. Everyone always looks in different directions at the same time, gives promises to both of them, and then they act in a way that is more profitable for them themselves first of all. Iran is with us while we support it. And in the current conditions it is profitable and necessary to support Iran, but it is also impossible to trust its promises. Iran has an interest in Russia only while it is under sanctions. If the sanctions are lifted, we will be serious competitors in the face of falling oil prices. And we have no fundamental strategic interests with him (as with China, for example - he understands that if Russia falls, he will be the next target).
        Of course, many are not interested in a significant strengthening of Iran, but the main stopper of the American-Iranian rapprochement is Israel, which is ready to tear its hair (and even more on Obama's head) over these agreements. And Iran understands that such a chance to weaken the "financial stranglehold", as under the most anti-Israeli president of the United States, may not happen to it. And Obama will entirely strive to bring to the market a new competitor of Russia in order to drown us for a long time. So, I think this course under Obama will be in full swing (if Obama does not freak out, of course).

        I’m just saying that in politics you can’t completely rely on anyone - you need to be on your own mind.
  3. +6
    15 March 2015 06: 46
    Obama may recognize. But neither Israel, nor the Arab Sunni monarchies will accept the nuclear mullocracy, so a seemingly unnatural military alliance between the Arabs and Israel may well develop. And from the territory of Saudi Arabia, the Israeli air force will be able to act against Iran without even needing hanging tanks.
    Well, in an open letter to the senators in plain text it was said that Obama’s signature without approval by the Senate is not even worth the paper on which he will draw it (if it is agreed to before). And before the next president comes, not bound by Obama’s promises to Iran, there are less than two years left, and during this time Iran is unlikely to have time to make an arsenal sufficient to deter even its closest neighbors, not to mention the more distant and more armed ones.
  4. +2
    15 March 2015 07: 06
    Yes, and the eared macaque planned to declare Iran a nuclear state? And the test tube with plutonium at the UN did not shake? This is a violation of the rules. Generally without any reason - not comme il faut! Although the mattresses are no longer particularly bother with occasions, etc. They do everything that they consider necessary for their own good.
  5. 0
    15 March 2015 07: 13
    Quote: Nagan
    less than two years are left, and during this time Iran is unlikely to have time to make itself an arsenal sufficient to deter even its closest neighbors, not to mention the more distant and more armed ones.

    I agree. In Iran, uranium enrichment is very slow, this is due to the imperfection of centrifuges, in any case, this was a year ago. Does anyone know what has changed in this regard? The accumulated uranium still needs to be processed into weapons-grade plutonium, which is also not a quick matter. The formation of a nuclear power is costly and not quick. The Soviet Union in this matter had a slightly more advantageous position, in the sense of uranium reserves. But Iran has been developing carriers for a long time, and quite successfully, for example, Shahab, Kader, Sajil. Honestly, I don’t even know whether I’m happy or worried about having such a neighbor with nuclear weapons. More inclined to think that you need to worry.
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Yes, and the eared macaque planned to declare Iran a nuclear state? This is a violation of the rules. Generally without any reason - not comme il faut! Although the mattresses are no longer particularly bother with occasions, etc.
    He is looking for a reason for sanctions and the subsequent invasion. Although Iran has publicly stated that it intends to use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes, and does not plan to create nuclear weapons. Although, to promise is one thing, but to fulfill the promised is another. It all depends on the situation around Iran, and the behavior of the states does not contribute to peace.
  6. +3
    15 March 2015 07: 36
    "The United States does not want to see Iran as a nuclear power" ... And Israel itself has unfastened a couple of dozen nuclear charges. And they are silent ... And I do not want America to stick its nose everywhere! So what? Does anyone ask my opinion? No. So, in the place of Iran, I would send advisers far away and do what I think is necessary.
    It's my personal opinion hi
    1. +1
      15 March 2015 13: 11
      Quote: Rurikovich
      And Israel itself unfastened a couple of dozen nuclear weapons.

      Where is the droushka? laughing
      1. +1
        15 March 2015 13: 21
        Quote: Egor65G
        Quote: Rurikovich
        And Israel itself unfastened a couple of dozen nuclear weapons.

        Where is the droushka? laughing

        Well, well, well, honey, you don’t need a song. Nobody will believe that the Jews didn’t make the kernel, given their mental potential. bully+ moderator Samuel, something about 30-40 rockets belayflying at a potential enemy. Then he hinted at Russia and added that all our millionaires would be destroyed. crying
        1. 0
          15 March 2015 13: 24
          Quote: Krasmash
          darling
          -I cut my ear laughing
          I'm talking about communication with America.
          1. 0
            15 March 2015 13: 29
            Quote: Egor65G
            -I cut my ear

            Well, it’s necessary to say thank you to my favorite jokes, oddly enough, they are about Jews. laughing
            Quote: Egor65G
            I'm talking about communication with America.

            America nafik. Make friends with Russia and you will be happy.
            1. +2
              15 March 2015 14: 06
              We can be friends. And between the countries there should be peace and cooperation on a mutually beneficial basis.
              America has no sideways in creating nuclear weapons of Israel. This is me, by the way.
              1. 0
                15 March 2015 14: 10
                Well, then suggest that it’s good for both ours and yours
                1. +1
                  15 March 2015 14: 13
                  For starters, stop with the Hizbalons, and the Hamaseks to kiss your gums. And to build a totalitarian Iran a bonbu.
                  1. +1
                    15 March 2015 14: 17
                    Quote: Egor65G
                    For starters, stop with the Hizbalons, and the Hamaseks to kiss your gums. And to build a totalitarian Iran a bonbu.

                    I want to say that this is a vile proposition, but interesting. smile
                    What will you do for us?
                    1. +1
                      15 March 2015 14: 22
                      Quote: Krasmash
                      vile
                      is the support of our direct enemies.
                      We will agree smile
                      1. 0
                        15 March 2015 14: 23
                        Quote: Egor65G
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        vile
                        is the support of our direct enemies.
                        We will agree smile

                        E no. To start a list of tasty offers for the Russian Federation. No.
                      2. +2
                        15 March 2015 14: 27
                        You got nothing wrong, Valera? I'm not sitting in the kneset, but I dig in at the milling machine laughing
                      3. 0
                        15 March 2015 14: 29
                        Quote: Egor65G
                        You got nothing wrong, Valera? I'm not sitting in the kneset, but I dig in at the milling machine laughing

                        I express my displeasure. Is it really that a Russian in Israel cannot work his head in any office.
                      4. +1
                        15 March 2015 14: 34
                        Can. That being said, who studied what laughing
                      5. +1
                        15 March 2015 14: 43
                        Retrain not to disgrace the Russian nation. wink
                      6. +1
                        15 March 2015 14: 45
                        What for? Every profession is honorable fellow
                      7. +1
                        15 March 2015 14: 49
                        Quote: Egor65G
                        What for? Every profession is honorable fellow

                        That's right, Egor and prostitution, too. fellow
                      8. +2
                        15 March 2015 14: 51
                        About this, to a padded jacket, please is his topic wassat
                      9. 0
                        15 March 2015 14: 53
                        Quote: Egor65G
                        About this, to a padded jacket, please is his topic wassat

                        Vatnik said that Russians are contemptuous. What can you say about the attitude of the Jews towards you.
                      10. +1
                        15 March 2015 14: 55
                        I do not understand the question. More specifically, do not mow under a padded jacket laughing
                      11. 0
                        15 March 2015 14: 59
                        Quote: Egor65G
                        I do not understand the question. More specifically, do not mow under a padded jacket laughing

                        Che those are not clear. Do you feel like a second-class man in a Jewish country?
                      12. +1
                        15 March 2015 15: 15
                        As a citizen of any country, except, of course, Islamic theocracy, you can feel like a second-class person, for me this is a mystery. Again, I am directing you to the quilted jacket-let you still push what kind of moor laughing
                      13. 0
                        15 March 2015 15: 19
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        Quote: Egor65G
                        About this, to a padded jacket, please is his topic wassat

                        Vatnik said that Russians are contemptuous. What can you say about the attitude of the Jews towards you.

                        Quote: Egor65G
                        I do not understand the question. More specifically, do not mow under a padded jacket laughing

                        Quote: Krasmash
                        Quote: Egor65G
                        I do not understand the question. More specifically, do not mow under a padded jacket laughing

                        Che those are not clear. Do you feel like a second-class man in a Jewish country?

                        Quote: Egor65G
                        As a citizen of any country, except, of course, Islamic theocracy, you can feel like a second-class person, for me this is a mystery. Again, I am directing you to the quilted jacket-let you still push what kind of moor laughing

                        Padded jacket here it is Che. And generally remove Egor65G from emergency
                      14. -1
                        15 March 2015 15: 26
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        Padded jacket here it is Che. And generally remove Egor65G from emergency

                        He does not know how to behave, calls names smile
                        So let it sit there.
                      15. 0
                        15 March 2015 15: 37
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        Padded jacket here it is Che. And generally remove Egor65G from emergency

                        He does not know how to behave, calls names smile
                        So let it sit there.

                        Really: cattle, rude, vile, type laughing am angry
                      16. +1
                        15 March 2015 15: 40
                        Hehehe laughing
                        Ashybachka at you-
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        stinker

                        extra comma wassat
                      17. 0
                        15 March 2015 16: 29
                        Quote: Egor65G
                        Hehehe laughing
                        Ashybachka at you-
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        stinker

                        extra comma wassat

                        Disgrace. Well, I'll go short track and biathlon to watch. And then “Crimea. Way to the Homeland. "We will meet here gentlemen. We wish good luck to the Russian athletes. drinks bully good Yes
                      18. -1
                        15 March 2015 15: 42
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        Really: cattle, rude, vile, laughing am angry type

                        I think so too smile
                      19. 0
                        15 March 2015 14: 34
                        There was a video on YouTube about how the Jews of Israel relate to Russian Israelis and how they are called.
                      20. 0
                        15 March 2015 14: 41
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        There was a video on YouTube about how the Jews of Israel relate to Russian Israelis and how they are called.

                        please post it, well, or throw off at least a link in a personal email. And are they bad?
                        I read one rabbi, he said that non-Jews should not be married in Israel.
                      21. 0
                        15 March 2015 14: 45
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        please post it, well, or throw off at least a link in a personal.

                        I don’t have it, I didn’t save it, look for it myself.
                        And what are they treating badly?

                        Not "bad", but a little contemptuous as second-class people.
                    2. +1
                      15 March 2015 14: 42
                      Quote: Krasmash
                      Krasmash

                      Quote: Egor65G
                      For starters, stop with the Hizbalons, and the Hamaseks to kiss your gums. And to build a totalitarian Iran a bonbu.

                      I want to say that this is a vile proposition, but interesting. smile
                      What will you do for us?

                      They will then "destroy" our country lol
                      Is it possible to believe them?
                      1. 0
                        15 March 2015 14: 47
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Is it possible to believe them?

                        The question is really serious. And in order not to be destroyed, Russians just need to turn on their heads more often and be careful, rather than relying on a good heart.
              2. 0
                15 March 2015 17: 24
                Quote: Egor65G
                America has no sideways in creating nuclear weapons of Israel. This is me, by the way.

                Those. Israel still has nuclear weapons. wink
                And then here some messengers of the promised land are still trying to ride around our ears about his absence ... Well, whose trace is still in Israeli nuclear weapons feel ? Centrifuges themselves created, or what? winked
                Chet I do not believe ... request
                1. +2
                  15 March 2015 19: 21
                  Quote: retired
                  Centrifuges themselves created, or what? winked
                  Chet I do not believe ... request

                  Well you give! So, the Jews created nuclear weapons in the United States, in the Union, but weren’t able to in their historical homeland? Suddenly they all got stupid at once, well, yes, where did they go, only citruses were enough to grow a mind ... laughing
                  1. +1
                    15 March 2015 20: 16
                    Quote: Arestant
                    Quote: retired
                    Centrifuges themselves created, or what? winked
                    Chet I do not believe ... request

                    Well you give! So, the Jews created nuclear weapons in the United States, in the Union, but weren’t able to in their historical homeland? Suddenly they all got stupid at once, well, yes, where did they go, only citruses were enough to grow a mind ... laughing

                    I wouldn’t refuse to try orange vodka. what
                    It may well be that Iran will run into Dimona in 20 years ...., yes.
                    1. +1
                      15 March 2015 20: 23
                      Orange, so-so, for an amateur. And Iran can charge Russian kyafirs.
                      1. 0
                        15 March 2015 20: 24
                        Quote: Egor65G
                        Orange, so-so, for an amateur. And Iran can charge Russian kyafirs.

                        For what?
                      2. +1
                        15 March 2015 20: 27
                        And for the fact that you are uncircumcised kafir and do not stand cancer five times a day, for example.
                      3. 0
                        15 March 2015 20: 29
                        Quote: Egor65G
                        And for the fact that you are uncircumcised kafir and do not stand cancer five times a day, for example.

                        Is this a crime for them?
                      4. +2
                        15 March 2015 20: 35
                        Wow, what else.
                      5. 0
                        15 March 2015 20: 37
                        But isn’t Russia able to strike back? So it will answer that only smelly lumps will remain from Mauritania to the Pacific Ocean. soldier
                      6. +1
                        15 March 2015 20: 43
                        Can. How fast you bombed your favorite quilted jacket in Iran laughing
                      7. 0
                        15 March 2015 20: 45
                        Quote: Egor65G
                        Can. How fast you bombed your favorite quilted jacket in Iran laughing

                        And in your Israel laughing.
                        http://news.sportbox.ru/Vidy_sporta/Biatlon/stats/turnir_10802?tour=1.я в печали crying recourse sad
                      8. +1
                        15 March 2015 21: 02
                        Eeeee ... Do you compare Israel with Iran? Sometimes you surprise me, and surprise me not for the better. Pacedawa.
                      9. 0
                        15 March 2015 21: 08
                        Quote: Egor65G
                        Eeeee ... Do you compare Israel with Iran? Sometimes you surprise me, and surprise me not for the better. Pacedawa.

                        You’ll survive nothing. Then one of yours constantly shouts that the Russian Federation is almost a fascist country, but it keeps a Russian passport in reserve.
                      10. +1
                        15 March 2015 21: 15
                        Do you worry, tramp. And I rub on your Russian-Iranian friendship-tfu.
                      11. 0
                        15 March 2015 21: 18
                        Quote: Egor65G
                        Do you worry, tramp. And I rub on your Russian-Iranian friendship-tfu.

                        Why are you. Why is the leadership of your country of a different opinion, directly shaking from the thought of the appearance of the Persian core.
                      12. 0
                        15 March 2015 21: 23
                        Are shaking ???? Do you thump there or what? Or do you think 60th patterns?
                      13. 0
                        15 March 2015 21: 29
                        Quote: Egor65G
                        Are shaking ???? Do you thump there or what? Or do you think 60th patterns?

                        There are no templates. Tell me isn’t syrup yet? Or have you completely lost your fear? 1973 taught nothing?
                      14. +1
                        15 March 2015 21: 37
                        It’s always worthless to fight, and to all. And whoever fought such presentations does not throw. You surely didn’t fight, maybe you are riding tanks on the site. And at 73 cho was a dedication. I wonder how your propaganda works there.
                      15. 0
                        15 March 2015 21: 44
                        Quote: Egor65G
                        It’s always worthless to fight, and to all. And whoever fought such presentations does not throw. You surely didn’t fight, maybe you are riding tanks on the site. And at 73 cho was a dedication. I wonder how your propaganda works there.

                        Cho was something, someone being overly self-confident almost went through the war, didn’t teach chtoli history? Didn’t continue to fight, to be killed because of this? I’m wondering where you fought.
                      16. +1
                        15 March 2015 21: 50
                        Where I fought is not your business. But, honestly, I didn’t like it.
                        And about the Doomsday War, it was very interesting for me to listen to your version, yeah. I’ll go tell a neighbor, he just fought there.
                      17. +1
                        15 March 2015 21: 55
                        I’ll tell you the version when you’ll share your war memories. You’d better go with a neighbor to roll 300 grams per brother and don’t drive that something is not my mind.
                      18. +1
                        15 March 2015 21: 59
                        Your version surrendered to me. People live around me, two or three wars have passed, and you offer me your babble. And my combat experience is not your business, 100%.
                      19. 0
                        15 March 2015 22: 06
                        Since you didn’t give up, don’t say that you want to hear her. fool. And Che is only 100%, I would say 146%. The clerk apparently stayed at the headquarters.
                        In general, the Israelis are somehow reluctant to talk about their military affairs. I understand that this thing can be said intimate.
                      20. 0
                        15 March 2015 22: 14
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        And Che is only 100%, I would say 146%. The clerk apparently stayed at the headquarters.

                        Why are you all great warriors here (as they like to say).
                        SPECIAL FORCES laughing
                        BE AFRAID OF RUSSIA, BE AFRAID OF IRAN ...... lol
                      21. 0
                        15 March 2015 22: 18
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        And Che is only 100%, I would say 146%. The clerk apparently stayed at the headquarters.

                        Why are you all great warriors here (as they like to say).
                        SPECIAL FORCES laughing
                        BE AFRAID OF RUSSIA, BE AFRAID OF IRAN ...... lol

                        Yes, no. They, that is, local Israelis, are serious guys. And they will be the first to die in battle - "Russians" and "locals", while "sidewalks" and "Europeans" will prefer to get up on skis.
                      22. 0
                        15 March 2015 22: 27
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        And they will be the first to die in battle - "Russians" and "locals", while "sidewalks" and "Europeans" will prefer to get up on skis.

                        Here you are 100% right, ordinary Jews will die and all their religious and financial "elite" will quickly flee to the USA or Australia.
                        They are just "consumables" (common Jews) for creating chaos.
                      23. 0
                        15 March 2015 22: 34
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        And they will be the first to die in battle - "Russians" and "locals", while "sidewalks" and "Europeans" will prefer to get up on skis.

                        Here you are 100% right, ordinary Jews will die and all their religious and financial "elite" will quickly flee to the USA or Australia.
                        They are just "consumables" (common Jews) for creating chaos.

                        You see, Jews with a registration are very interesting people. Now imagine that they are like in that movie wink disappear once and for all. But you yourself cannot live a day without them.
                      24. 0
                        15 March 2015 22: 40
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        You see, Jews with a registration are very interesting people

                        Yes, just wonderful lol
                        If even fewer "compose" and praise their Israel "they would not have been worth" smile
                      25. 0
                        15 March 2015 22: 43
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        You see, Jews with a registration are very interesting people

                        Yes, just wonderful lol
                        If even fewer "compose" and praise their Israel "they would not have been worth" smile

                        Still, you should definitely visit Israel, I think they will not eat you lol
                      26. 0
                        15 March 2015 22: 46
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        I think they will not eat you

                        Strongly doubt laughing
                      27. 0
                        15 March 2015 22: 48
                        But I’ll try to drive them away someday.
                      28. 0
                        15 March 2015 22: 53
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        But I’ll try to drive them away someday.

                        If they and the United States do not suit us before this.
                      29. +1
                        15 March 2015 22: 18
                        Where did I need your stratgic thinking? And I'm interested in the propaganda apparatus, yes. Maybe you are being poured into the water, eh? And there are no clerks here Valera, and drill and hazing ... And about military affairs, a subscription exists. My little one serves now, but what I do, I don’t know.
                      30. 0
                        15 March 2015 22: 26
                        My thinking is normal. That's what you're doing, you yourself wanted to hear my version of the war 40 years ago.
                        Eeee, in Siberia even the water from the taps is the best in the country, I’ll come to you from the source of spets with the best one.
                        We do not need propaganda, the people have no time to think about Israel, Iran, Palestine, somehow we break the thought more about Ukraine.
                        And what will happen to you if you break the subscription?
                    2. +2
                      15 March 2015 20: 51
                      Quote: Krasmash
                      It may well be that Iran will run into Dimona in 20 years ...., yes.

                      Neither in 20, nor in 120 years the nuclear weapons of the Persians will not - argue?
                      1. 0
                        15 March 2015 20: 54
                        Quote: Arestant
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        It may well be that Iran will run into Dimona in 20 years ...., yes.

                        Neither in 20, nor in 120 years the nuclear weapons of the Persians will not - argue?

                        Why such confidence?
                      2. 0
                        15 March 2015 21: 20
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        Why such confidence?

                        He is so trying to distort reality smile From "fear" apparently lol
                        Most likely Iran has already had nuclear weapons for a long time.
                        About the fact that the United States did not help Israel to create a "bomb".
                        Pentagon revealed secrets of Israeli atom
                        The report "Assessing the Critical Technologies of Israel and the NATO Country" - 386 pages. It was published at the request of the court, which accepted the lawsuit by Grant Smith, a specialist in the Middle East, who argued that the publication of the report 30 years ago was in accordance with the freedom of information law.
                        Among other things, the report claims that the United States helped Israel develop a hydrogen bomb, which at that time was considered a violation of international laws.
                        Israeli laboratories, the report says, are organized along the lines of laboratories in Los Alamos and the Oak Ridge.
                        For a long time, Israel has maintained a policy of silence in everything related to the possession of nuclear weapons. He also did not sign the international convention on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons (NRT) and does not allow foreign inspectors to his nuclear facilities, which complicates the assessment of the country's nuclear arsenal.
                        http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/novosti/2015/02/15/pentagon-raskril-sekreti-izrails

                        kogo-atoma /
                        He himself would simply not be able to make nuclear weapons, for this he needed not only "brains" (scientists) whom he didn’t have, but also thousands of highly qualified workers and equipment.
                        So the "help" of the USA and France in this matter was decisive.
                      3. 0
                        15 March 2015 21: 31
                        A padded jacket to which you rejoice. They ufigachut each other, and that also touches us.
                      4. 0
                        15 March 2015 21: 36
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        A padded jacket to which you rejoice. They ufigachut each other, and that also touches us.

                        And who told you that I am happy?
                        If, for example, only Israel strikes Iran, it will also hurt us. I actually for the fact that there would be no nuclear weapons on Earth.
                      5. 0
                        15 March 2015 21: 46
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        I actually for the fact that there would be no nuclear weapons on Earth.

                        This will not happen, because everyone will become equal, but many do not want this.
                      6. 0
                        15 March 2015 21: 51
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        This will not happen, because everyone will become equal, but many do not want this.

                        In any case, everyone will not have a different level of technology development (let's not forget about conventional weapons which in their effectiveness are already almost similar to nuclear weapons.
                      7. 0
                        15 March 2015 22: 01
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        This will not happen, because everyone will become equal, but many do not want this.

                        In any case, everyone will not have a different level of technology development (let's not forget about conventional weapons which in their effectiveness are already almost similar to nuclear weapons.

                        So we will (Russia) change the gravitational field of the earth, as Edelstein said, while in Baghdad laughing
                      8. 0
                        15 March 2015 21: 32
                        The point is simply that Israel is panicky afraid of Iran, realizing that it alone cannot cope with it and therefore repeats the mantra endlessly - Iran will not have nuclear weapons - Iran will not have nuclear weapons - Iran will not have nuclear weapons - ..... ....
                        Thus, he thinks "trouble will pass him" laughing
                        The usual policy is an ostrich hiding its head in the sand.
                      9. +1
                        15 March 2015 21: 52
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        He himself would simply not be able to make nuclear weapons, for this he needed not only "brains" (scientists) whom he didn’t have, but also thousands of highly qualified workers and equipment.
                        So the "help" of the USA and France in this matter was decisive.

                        Yes, this is an open secret. In addition to laboratories, whole branches of industry are needed to create beans. Iran won centrifuges of uranium-235 on the atom produces. And here - the impression - the first bomb was generally presented back in the 80s, if not earlier.
                        There are brains in Israel, you can’t argue, but there was no production base for producing your own uranium for creating your own IAEA-controlled reactor, and then producing weapons-grade plutonium in this reactor. And there weren’t thousands of centrifuges for uranium production either. Therefore, for these purposes, apparently, the French-created reactor was used, but it was modernized in the 70s. But the plutonium productivity of this reactor, apparently, is small, and as a result there are several scandals about the illegal export of enriched uranium and cratrons from the United States - a certain type of radio tubes, which are also used to control nuclear detonators.
                        So both the creation of nuclear weapons in Israel and the maintenance of its condition could not do without the help of both France and the United States.
                      10. 0
                        15 March 2015 21: 56
                        Quote: A. Vereshchagin


                        That's right, but I still think the first bombs were handed over to him by the USA.
                      11. +1
                        16 March 2015 16: 44
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        Why such confidence?

                        Not valid. And, believe me, it will benefit everyone, including the Persians themselves.
                      12. 0
                        17 March 2015 14: 38
                        Quote: Arestant
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        Why such confidence?

                        Not valid. And, believe me, it will benefit everyone, including the Persians themselves.

                        Iraq also apparently got better after that raid
                2. +2
                  15 March 2015 20: 21
                  Chett did not even want to answer, to such a question, through a protruding lip.
      2. 0
        15 March 2015 23: 46
        From Israeli sources. And you live in Israel and do not know about it.
        1. 0
          15 March 2015 23: 49
          Hehehe. It is commendable that you study the history of Israel, yeah. Only America has nothing to do with it.
  7. +6
    15 March 2015 07: 38
    No comment.
    1. +3
      15 March 2015 08: 02
      Bronneoptimist
      clumsily I drew in a hurry - but this is a look from Fashington
    2. +3
      15 March 2015 08: 20
      The world through the eyes of a dearly beloved ....., well, you guessed it.
  8. +1
    15 March 2015 10: 14
    Mattress makers when they really need to recognize anyone and anything. But they will never recognize Russia as an equal partner and one of the centers of the world order. Because those states that border Russia will be US allies or there will be a color revolution. This is what you need to think about. And the fact that Israel and the United States and dr are yelling about nuclear weapons of Iran, so 20 years have passed and there is no bomb. Spitting on sanctions, they are building a nuclear power plant, and they say am don’t stick your nose at us, we’ll tear our nostrils out.
  9. 0
    15 March 2015 11: 28
    I think America, in the pursuit of national recognition around the world, missed the point, it’s the defense of its home territory, and will regret it very soon. Predictions are not made that easily.
  10. +1
    15 March 2015 13: 08
    What to do with Israel, having experienced a charge with South Africa? Support, not support, angrily protest, or - to hell with him, so be it?
    1. -1
      15 March 2015 13: 30
      Quote: Sergey-8848
      What to do with Israel, having experienced a charge with South Africa? Support, not support, angrily protest, or - to hell with him, so be it?

      Jews, by hook or by crook, must be put up in the BRICS.
      1. +1
        15 March 2015 13: 39
        Quote: Krasmash
        Jews, by hook or by crook, must be put up in the BRICS.

        What would they ruin and ruin it?
        1. 0
          15 March 2015 13: 56
          Quote: quilted jacket
          Quote: Krasmash
          Jews, by hook or by crook, must be put up in the BRICS.

          What would they ruin and ruin it?

          As long as there is a generation of "Russians" you cannot lose them. Local Jews claim that their children are practically not interested in the Russian language. Consequently, in the future, Israelis will move further and further from Russia. As a result, they may turn into open enemies.
          1. +1
            15 March 2015 14: 07
            Again a padded jacket carries a blizzard laughing A feast to him, big and fat.
          2. -1
            15 March 2015 14: 11
            Yes, they have long been "enemies" of our country. The bombing of Syria (our ally, whom we have been helping for 4 years), threats towards Iran (which we will build including 12 nuclear reactors, etc.), to put it mildly "not condemnation" of the leadership of the Kiev regime, and more.
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              15 March 2015 14: 15
              Quote: Egor65G
              Again, a padded jacket blizzard brings PirIvet to him, large and thick.

              laughing
              Quote: quilted jacket
              Yes, they have long been "enemies" of our country. The bombing of Syria (our ally, whom we have been helping for 4 years), threats towards Iran (which we will build including 12 nuclear reactors, etc.), to put it mildly "not condemnation" of the leadership of the Kiev regime, and more.

              Probably they want to chop off Berdichev. Do you think the Jews chose Ukrainian lands?
              1. 0
                15 March 2015 14: 21
                Quote: Krasmash
                Probably they want to chop off Berdichev. Do you think the Jews chose Ukrainian lands?

                Here, not only this "smells" they want to "crush" the whole of Ukraine and not only Ukraine.
                Lviv hosts Israel Day
                March 15 in Lviv hosts Israel Day events. The holiday was organized with the participation of the honorary consul of the State of Israel in the Western region of Ukraine Oleg Vishnyakov.
                http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/novosti/2015/03/15/vo-lvove-prohodit-den-izrailya/
                1. 0
                  15 March 2015 14: 24
                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  Quote: Krasmash
                  Probably they want to chop off Berdichev. Do you think the Jews chose Ukrainian lands?

                  Here, not only this "smells" they want to "crush" the whole of Ukraine and not only Ukraine.
                  Lviv hosts Israel Day
                  March 15 in Lviv hosts Israel Day events. The holiday was organized with the participation of the honorary consul of the State of Israel in the Western region of Ukraine Oleg Vishnyakov.
                  http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/novosti/2015/03/15/vo-lvove-prohodit-den-izrailya/

                  A nightmare. Jews and fascists are friends. As if they forgot hto burned thembelay
                  1. 0
                    15 March 2015 14: 30
                    Quote: Krasmash
                    Sadly: Jews and fascists are friends belay

                    Is there really something to think about?
                    1. 0
                      15 March 2015 14: 32
                      Quote: quilted jacket
                      Quote: Krasmash
                      Sadly: Jews and fascists are friends belay

                      Is there really something to think about?

                      Admittedly, there is such a thing.
                2. +1
                  15 March 2015 14: 26
                  And here is their (synagogue, right?) "Home" in Dnepropetrovsk and information from there.

                  The Dnepropetrovsk Jewish religious community and parishioners of the Golden Rose Synagogue provide all possible assistance to military personnel fighting terrorists and defending the unity and integrity of Ukraine, and urge the Jews of Dnepropetrovsk to actively help them in this. In the hall of the Central Rose Golden Synagogue, a medical center (a box for collecting donations) was installed for a specific purpose - to raise funds for the treatment of wounded fighters of the National Guard and territorial defense battalions being treated at the Mechnikov Regional Clinical Hospital.
                  We have already collected several thousand hryvnias, and new donations are received every day, ”said the manager of the religious community, Alexander Fridkis,“ donations are anonymous, but I know that the money for our soldiers comes from low-income parishioners and those who have jobs. Of course, many Jews do not use our kupat tsdoka, but transfer funds directly, and, moreover, very large, but our contribution, albeit small, also goes to a common cause - helping our wounded defenders. " In addition to supporting wounded soldiers, the Jewish religious community and parishioners of the synagogue seek to help those who are preparing to go to the anti-terrorist operation zone and join the battle with terrorists and bandits. So, yesterday, over a ton of grocery aid was transported to the reconnaissance battalion of the National Guard, which was preparing to set off in a short time to participate in the hostilities to defend Ukraine.
                  http://news-mail.by/2014/06/21/dnepropetrovskaya-evrejskaya-obshhina-pomogaet-ka
                  ratelyam-xunty-ukraina-dnepropetrovsk-slavyansk /
                  So not everything is as "funny" as it seems.
                  1. 0
                    15 March 2015 14: 57
                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    And here is their (synagogue, right?) "Home" in Dnepropetrovsk and information from there.

                    Why did they beat her so healthy? This is a gorgeous target for a crazy projectile or a missile that has gone astray from its intended target.
                    1. 0
                      15 March 2015 15: 04
                      Quote: Krasmash
                      And why did they beat her so healthy?

                      You should ask them that, most likely the case is in the "gigantomania" that they have (another example of a Merkava weighing under 70 tons).
                      I immediately recall the fascist Mouse weighing under 100 tons lol
                      1. 0
                        15 March 2015 15: 08
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        And why did they beat her so healthy?

                        You should ask them that, most likely the case is in the "gigantomania" that they have (another example of a Merkava weighing under 70 tons).

                        I like D9 more
    2. +1
      15 March 2015 13: 36
      Yes, it has long been necessary to admit this as a fait accompli. Iran already has 90 percent of the "bomb" and it desperately needs it, among other things, to protect the country's population and allies from the extremely aggressive and unpredictable Israeli regime.
      And the fact that this regime is a loyal "vassal" and a conductor of US policy since "time immemorial" when its nuclear weapons were aimed at the USSR as well, is beyond doubt.
      And it is very good that in recent years Washington has finally begun to understand what kind of "monster" is ready to kill all living things around it, it supports.
      In fact, sanctions and a full political bikot should be imposed against Israel, which literally terrorizes its neighbors by supporting various gang groups there and carrying out bombing of civilians.
      1. +1
        15 March 2015 13: 55
        US Opinion:
        Kerry: "President Obama is committed to a two-state idea"
        He also stressed that US President Barack Obama is committed to the idea of ​​creating "two states for two peoples."
        http://9tv.co.il/news/2015/03/14/199259.html
        It is high time to "destroy" this state of "oppression and fear" in which millions of Arabs live every day in the territories temporarily captured by the punitive army of the so-called Israel.
        1. 0
          15 March 2015 15: 46
          Meanwhile, Iran’s industry, despite the sanctions, is developing successfully:
          On March 11, in the presence of the Minister of Defense of Iran, a new carbon fiber factory was solemnly commissioned with a production capacity of 150 tons of T-300 carbon fiber per year. This is a strategically important enterprise for the development of the Iranian military-industrial complex and not only. Having high heat resistance and lightness, carbon fiber is used to produce new models of rocket engines, individual parts of aircraft, automobiles, etc., up to centrifuges for uranium enrichment.

          1. 0
            15 March 2015 21: 46
            By the way, do not forget that Iran is a great and old friend of the DPRK. So they can also develop nuclear weapons together (and as we know the DPRK has already tested the atomic bomb twice) or exchange them in case of something.
            Kim Il Sung with Ayatollah Rafsanjani and his family. The photo was taken in the Iranian year 1360 (March 21, 1981 - March 20, 1982), when the then Iranian parliament speaker Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani and his family visited the DPRK.
            1. 0
              15 March 2015 21: 48
              Quote: quilted jacket
              By the way, do not forget that Iran is a great and old friend of the DPRK.

              And whose Israelis are showing the North Koreans not throwing, huh?
              1. 0
                15 March 2015 21: 59
                Probably afraid smile
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