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Not all brothers are relatives

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The Russian media began a discussion about the fraternal Ukrainian people. Opinions are different, but basically it all comes down to the brainwashing theory. It seems as if 23 had been so brainwashed by the "unfortunate Ukrainians" that they forgot about their roots. They recall Kievan Rus, the Orthodox faith, St. Vladimir, the Pereyaslav Rada, and many more zigzags of our joint and not stories. Moreover, as a result of these discussions, it seems that this people within the borders of modern Ukraine has existed for many hundreds of years. The maximum that attention is drawn to is Western Ukraine (they are mostly called "Bandera") and Eastern (such as ours).

Some of our politicians and political scientists express the opinion that a peaceful division into two states is necessary: ​​Novorossia and Ukraine. Some see Ukraine without Galicia. Change Yatsenyuk and a number of odious personalities, and everything will fall into place. I think this is an erroneous point of view. The ex-president of France, Giscard d'Estaing, spoke on this topic much more realistically. He sees Ukraine as a confederative state within the three cantons: Polish Ukraine, Central Ukraine and Russian Ukraine. And these subjects of the confederation, in turn, can be federated.

If we assume that all interested parties want to keep Ukraine within its present borders, then this is a very good proposal. Apparently, even the best of what could be offered. The former president of France very correctly pointed out three main territories, which are different in faith, culture, mentality and even language.

Historically, the lands of Western (Polish) Ukraine have never been part of the Russian Empire or Russia. Yes, more than 700 years ago there reigned Rurikovich, but much time has passed since then. During this time, the language has changed, it has become closer to Polish, the union has been signed with the Roman Catholic Church, and (most importantly) the mentality has changed. The people historically living there are neither bad nor good, they are just different for us and for South-Eastern Ukraine. The people there were raised by the Roman Catholic Church in hatred of everything Russian. And if we believe our scientists, then they and DNA is very different from ours.

Central Ukraine over 300 years was in the composition of various states, which we do not like to remember. As part of Russia, the left-bank part of Central Ukraine appeared in 1686, as a result of the signing of the "Eternal Peace" with the Poles. And the rest was attached much later. This part of Ukraine was also part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Kingdom of Poland and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. During this time, a language distinct from Russian was formed there (we call it the Little Russian dialect, and in Ukraine it is called surzhik), religion has not changed, and the mentality has changed. What we are now faced with.

Scientists say that we are one people, we have practically no differences even in DNA. But, apparently, it is not agree with them, if we draw conclusions from the events in the Donbas and in Odessa. Southeastern, or, as the former president, Russian Ukraine, called it, became part of Ukraine in 1922 as a result of Lenin's vision of the USSR. At one time these lands were conquered from the Ottoman Empire and began to be settled by Catherine II. This great woman in a very short time settled vast territories. She encouraged the resettlement of Germans, Bulgarians, Greeks, Serbs, etc. There. A large number of Russians were resettled from Russia and the resettlement of Little Russians from Rzeczpospolita was encouraged, which led to conflicts with this once formidable adversary. For most of the people living in this territory, religion, language and mentality are close to us.

So it is necessary to agree with the young Ukrainian "poetess", more precisely with some of her statements about our fraternity. For a large part of the Ukrainians, we are no longer relatives.

Ex-President of France Giscard d'Estaing, apparently, really well understood in the history of the state of Ukraine. This proposal of his will support many states, if they hear. Especially those who are interested in the return of loans given to Ukraine. Maybe Obama will hear it?
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  1. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 16 March 2015 07: 59
    +13
    Maybe Obama will also hear him?

    Will not hear. Obama needs the Outskirts from the sea to the eastern borders, for less it does not agree!
    1. domokl
      domokl 16 March 2015 08: 07
      +16
      He doesn’t need anything anymore. Now Ukraine is used simply as a factor exhausting Russia. And Crimea was played out, and Russia won it. Now the most vulnerable southern borders are covered so reliably that even the Black Sea is lost for NATO and the USA.
      1. Kostyar
        Kostyar 16 March 2015 08: 29
        -5
        Not all brothers are relatives


        Listen, sir, we will not be able to brainwash, go to the ... west ... and share your "opinion" there ..... !!!
      2. dobrjak
        dobrjak 16 March 2015 08: 33
        +13
        Yes, with Crimea in time fussed. Late, but history bug fixed!
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 16 March 2015 09: 49
          +25
          Quote: dobrjak
          Yes, with Crimea in time fussed. Late, but history bug fixed!

          Yesterday in Russia1 The whole film about the return of Crimea home was shown. Putin frankly told what they did and how. It was a brilliant special operation of the GRU and special services of the Russian Federation, under the guise of an army group (Crimean Naval Base of the Russian Federation), carried out in coordination with the Parliament of the Republic, with the support of the population. Putin kept everything under control.
          Everything (as we now know) went beautifully! good
          We have a GREAT president! yes
          May God grant him health and long life!
          1. crocodile25
            crocodile25 16 March 2015 12: 10
            +3
            Quote: GSH-18
            Yesterday in Russia1 The whole film about the return of Crimea home was shown

            The film is set off competently done and the videos that walked on the Internet explained where the GRU is where the FSB, the Marines, in short, they finally competently turned everything good soldier . LIVING FOREVER !!!
          2. aleks 62
            aleks 62 16 March 2015 12: 14
            +1
            ..... It was a brilliant special operation ... carried out in coordination with the Parliament of the Republic, ....

            ...... what request ...... This is an extended version "for print" .... You should have seen the bewildered face of the head of parliament, when they came to work and saw two flags on the roof - Crimean and Russian !!!! ... hi
          3. mihasik
            mihasik 16 March 2015 15: 05
            +2
            Quote: GSH-18
            Putin frankly told what they did and how.

            In the film, Putin said that: "The main thing for us was to give people the opportunity to make a choice, and they should live as part of Ukraine, or something else ... We would accept any choice ..."
            I think that GDP is disingenuous). Crimea would be ours anyway, given the situation that is happening in Ukraine, regardless of the choice of Crimeans. It just all agreed that the opinion of the Crimeans coincided with the strategic plans of the Russian Federation. We needed Crimea as a strategic, geopolitical point of influence and control of the Black Sea.
            Why such a conclusion?
            South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Transnistria asked for Russia, and the DPR with the LPR as well, but apart from the Crimea, we did not attach anyone, and our people live there too. But their opinions and requests did not affect the decisions of the Russian authorities. In Abkhazia, in general, up to 90% of the population with passports of the Russian Federation lives).
            I liked about Yanukovych.
            It turns out that in general he was "pulled out" so that he, as the legitimate president of Ukraine, legitimized the referendum in Crimea with his signature, which Putin indirectly spoke about in the film. Those. if in fact, Putin offered Yanukovych life in Russia (in any other country he would have been surrendered to the United States) in exchange for Crimea.
            1. sssla
              sssla 17 March 2015 07: 19
              0
              Quote: mihasik
              Putin offered Yanukovych life in Russia (in any other country he would have been surrendered by the United States) in exchange for the Crimea.

              Judging by your so his Yanukovych had to "pull out" so that the price for transit to reduce in this situation, everything is signed ???
              It turns out that in general he was "pulled out" so that he, as the legitimate president of Ukraine, legitimized with his signature
              )))))
        2. ArhipenkoAndrey
          ArhipenkoAndrey 16 March 2015 10: 49
          +8
          It was necessary to correct the whole Southeast, and the author of the article is a bastard and this is my opinion, my father from Ukraine, I was born in Russia and I never experienced problems with the difference in mentality, served, worked with both Russians and other peoples, and believe me, the bastards had everyone, and now everyone should be relaxed, it’s the legacy of the well-fed life of the USSR divided into gluttonous oligarchs, and the people are usually lacking.
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      4. Viktor Kudinov
        Viktor Kudinov 16 March 2015 08: 37
        +24
        The author missed a bit. Western Ukraine was also part of the Russian Empire. And even Poland itself! This should not be forgotten. And several generations of Russians, Ukrainians and Poles experienced the interpenetration of cultures. I think that in the mentality of the population of all three territories allocated by Giscard D and Esten, a lot was also transmitted from the USSR. hi On the other hand, sometimes a close relative becomes worse than a sworn enemy! what
        1. andj61
          andj61 16 March 2015 09: 28
          +8
          Quote: Victor Kudinov
          The author missed a bit. Western Ukraine was also part of the Russian Empire. And even Poland itself!

          In the Russian Empire, Western Ukraine, namely Galicia - Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk (Stanislav), Drogobych, as well as Bukovina - Chernivtsi - were part of Austria-Hungary. As well as Malopolska and Krakow. Khotin, Kamenetz-Podolsky, Rivne - were part of Russia. As well as Greater Poland and Warsaw.
          So the author of this moment did not miss.
          austro-hungaryaustro-hungary
        2. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 16 March 2015 14: 04
          +4
          The longer humanity lives, the greater the interpenetration of cultures and true family ties. But they only remember the brotherhood of nations in those cases when our country must and do not give something away or want to get something for free. Ukraine is the clearest example.
          Even among people, kinship is far from always ideal, let alone whole countries.
          Maybe it's time to exclude all these terms from interstate relations and build a foreign policy based on the interests of our own state?
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 16 March 2015 14: 20
            0
            What happens at this stage is a consequence of the whole complex of processes. There are dominant. There are secondary and contributing. In general, a mathematical complex of processes. And what is happening now is also already the reason for what will be at different levels of prospects. Therefore, a simple person thinks that everything happens simply on its own. Some are happy, others are upset. But all the same, everything will be like a pattern.
          2. user
            user 17 March 2015 11: 46
            0
            But they only remember the brotherhood of nations in those cases when our country must and do not give something away or want to get something for free.


            That's right now, Ukraine is asking (one might say requires) the debt aggressor’s restructuring country from the aggressor.
      5. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 16 March 2015 19: 38
        +1
        no offense is said, but all of eastern Europe, Ukraine, too, were fucked by the Turks until they were driven out of there by the Russians. There is a Turkish series called "Magnificent Century" about the reign of the great Turk Sultan Suleiman, who reached Vienna, his grandfather destroyed Byzantium and conquered Constantinople, renaming it Istanbul. So the Turkish sultans started big harems, 500 girls from different parts of the conquered lands, concubines were supplied from the Ukrainian lands by the Crimean Tatars, who made raids. And one of the slave-concubines became a sultana, her name was Roksolana. So in terms of blood and cut of eyes, Ukrainians are similar to Russians as well as Koreans to Japanese, faces are the same, but souls are different.
    2. vik669
      vik669 16 March 2015 09: 39
      0
      On such a card (optional)
    3. Motherland Russia
      Motherland Russia 16 March 2015 10: 13
      +2
      Who cares what Obama needs.

      The main thing is that Russia needs to defend its own.
      We do not need someone else's, and for our "throat to tear" angry soldier to everyone who licks at the sight of Russia.
      1. SteelRatTV
        SteelRatTV 16 March 2015 11: 24
        +2
        Just don’t "Russian Ukraine"! (and only in the east). These lands were called Little Russia, and will become - Novorossia! tongue
    4. Djubal
      Djubal 16 March 2015 12: 45
      0
      Quote: Starover_Z
      Will not hear.

      Right! Obama is the head speaking and not listening
    5. Andrey Petrov47
      Andrey Petrov47 16 March 2015 19: 58
      0
      In addition to Polish Ukraine in the west, the Ruins should also be: Hungarian Ukraine, Romanian Ukraine and Ruthenian Ukraine.
  2. boa constrictor
    boa constrictor 16 March 2015 07: 59
    +18
    To have such brothers - no need for enemies !! am
    1. Dryuya2
      Dryuya2 16 March 2015 08: 28
      +4
      Quote: boa constrictor
      To have such brothers - no need for enemies !!

      almost off topic
      Workers tried to steal copper from a fusion plant at the Kurchatov Institute
      http://www.interfax.ru/moscow/430038
      Moscow. March 16. INTERFAX.RU - Two workers from Moldova removed copper from a unique thermonuclear installation at the National Research Center (NRC) Kurchatov Institute in Moscow, a law enforcement source told Interfax.
      According to him, from March 3 to March 13, two workers, citizens of Moldova, removed copper tires from the experimental thermonuclear installation "Tokamak T-15" at the Research Center "Kurchatov Institute".
      Workers hid non-ferrous metal in different places in one of the buildings of the SIC, in order to then take it out and sell it. However, security officials noticed the loss and appealed to law enforcement agencies.
      The inspection showed that two workers who had access to the installation stole copper. They acted together with accomplices whose identities were established.
      According to some reports, in 10 days the suspects removed 5 tons of copper tires. Both visitors were detained, they became defendants in a criminal case under Articles 30 and 158 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (attempted theft). A search is being conducted for accomplices in the crime.
      According to the information on the Kurchatov Institute website, the Tokamak T-15 experimental thermonuclear installation is one of the largest in the world.

      ==========
      I don’t understand something - an experimental installation and suddenly foreigners recourse
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      2. gjv
        gjv 16 March 2015 09: 44
        +6
        Quote: Dryuya2
        Both visitors were detained, they became defendants in a criminal case under Articles 30 and 158 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (attempted theft). A search is being conducted for accomplices in the crime.

        Quote: Dryuya2
        I don’t understand something - an experimental installation and suddenly foreigners

        These are "brothers" and they should be judged as "brotherly foreigners". No 158 but only 281 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (Sabotage). And for serving not in prison for grub, but in uranium mines. And to attract Kovalchuk for negligence, and then on TV he shines handsome, and in the SIC - such a mess.
      3. Fin
        Fin 16 March 2015 10: 04
        +5
        Quote: Dryuya2
        I don’t understand something - an experimental installation and suddenly foreigners

        Everything is simple. The office won a tender for the repair of the building and hired Gaster, who rummaged around without getting in and looked after copper. Mind, no, it's a nuclear reactor. And security, as always, is cut to optimize costs.
      4. Tambov Wolf
        Tambov Wolf 16 March 2015 11: 09
        +1
        Why understand that? Liberasty, sir.
      5. boa constrictor
        boa constrictor 16 March 2015 11: 38
        +1
        I don’t understand something - an experimental installation and suddenly foreigners recourse

        But this question is directly to the leadership of the institute !! YES AT THE END OF THE ENDS !! WHEN WILL THE BODY BE RETURNED ?? !! This is pure water - sabotage !! It is not normative vocabulary !! Sorry for the emotion !! hi
    2. insafufa
      insafufa 16 March 2015 08: 29
      +4
      Quote: boa constrictor
      To have such brothers - no need for enemies !! am


      + It was not the foresight of our leadership that came back to us
      1. mervino2007
        mervino2007 16 March 2015 23: 06
        0
        Quote: insafufa
        The shortsightedness of our leadership has come to us.

        If it was short-sightedness, then it turns out - fools lead us. As in the Central Committee of the CPSU, they put in charge a knowingly weak person who is easy to control. Now we have a hostile Ukraine. I do not believe that our special services did not write real analytics for the management. The scale of the leader was not the same. So everything started to flow. "No matter what happens."
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    3. Intensive
      Intensive 16 March 2015 10: 33
      +1
      Are you talking about everyone who lives in Ukraine?
      1. insafufa
        insafufa 16 March 2015 13: 13
        +2
        Quote: Intensive
        Are you talking about everyone who lives in Ukraine?

        no, not about everyone
        1 gave Crimea
        2 Donbass gave
        3 zapadentsev should in no case be combined with the rest of Ukroina

        Even my grandfather, a veteran of the great Patriotic war, said how the Ukrainians shot him in the back and how they ran with whole companies to the Germans and how the local companies surrendered to the Germans when they entered the farm near Kharkov after a short resistance without ammunition they had to give up. As a result, as he said, out of 10 survivors in a concentration camp, only three survived in two years.
        Yes, I did not see the end of my life Poles and Balts with Ukrainians because they had all the overseers.
        And one of the 27 people who went to the front from my relatives for the liberation of Ukraine and Crimea gave their lives to 12 people and I am certainly offended that such a situation is right there that our leadership at one time so generously squandered what was blood and then conquered then
        1. Intensive
          Intensive 16 March 2015 14: 23
          +1
          Do you refer all these questions to ordinary citizens of Ukraine? Have mercy on how they can respond to what Khrushchev and Lenin did?
  3. Sakmagon
    Sakmagon 16 March 2015 07: 59
    +8
    It was approximately the same.
    Only so-called Central Ukraine CAN NOT to exist as a separate state - the Poles will devour. Why did Bogdan rush to Muscovy? And thereby saved the people, and language, and faith. And what will happen to them during "federalization" - no need to explain - turn on the box and see ...
  4. DMB-75
    DMB-75 16 March 2015 08: 02
    +19
    ... brother to me, or not brother ...
    1. domokl
      domokl 16 March 2015 08: 14
      +17
      Quote: DMB-75
      .. brother to me, or not brother ...

      I don’t know, maybe I also began to confuse, but ... I also got a strange feeling that we are still not brothers. Even talking with militias, citizens of the former Ukraine, this feeling does not go away ...
      A bunch of friends there, a bunch of friends, but ... they still think a little bit differently, the priorities are a little bit different, everything is a little bit ... But they are different.
      I was brought up in the USSR. And I took these things as a simple small-town education .. Remember, a crest without bastards, what the hell ... without testicles ... a crest was born, a Jew cried .. And so on. These are Soviet sayings. We laughed at them. .And now, when you need to fight, it turns out that in vain ...
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 16 March 2015 10: 15
        +4
        "Remember, a crest without bastards, that x ... no testicles ... a crest was born, a Jew began to cry .. and so on."... There were sayings, there were jokes, as well as about "dear Muscovites", who also began to differ from other Russians, and, probably, they were somehow changed here not only by the "housing issue". So what if there are questions of geopolitics, and there are national interests of Russia. For that matter, what kind of Yankees are Ukrainians relatives (unless, of course, we assume that we are all from Adam and Eve), but, judging by the plot, there are no people closer to dill ... We must bend our line, defending the Russian world, the interests of Russia , and not to adapt to historical metamorphoses, in any territory there was something before, it depends on us what will happen after. The West played a proven scenario, because for Russia the lands of Kievan Rus, like Kosovo for Serbia, are a historical heart. They returned Crimea with Sevastopol and Feodosia, great, since this is not only a geopolitical space, but also concepts that have become shrines. Kiev, the same shrine, without which Russia will not be complete. If we took Crimea, it was no longer necessary to remember the integrity of Dill, namely Dill, since Ukraine, to which Russia had obligations, did not become after the putsch and the Nazis came to power. How was it possible to recognize this Kiev gathering of haters of Russia and everything Russian ?! Was the toad strangling money for gas to get and billions in other people's banks fear of losing? It is strange to explain it otherwise, especially since Azarov and Yanukovych were in Russia. We have what we have, thousands of Russians were killed in the Donbas, and now we are forced to pretend that Russia is "not a party to the conflict." There is no need to imitate evil, no need to copy the methods of the CIA, the United States has recognized the Albanian rejection of Kosovo, but is not going to recognize the referendum in Crimea. They can be understood here, but it is difficult to understand the Russian government, which recognized the Kiev junta (to the delight of the West), and still does not recognize the choice of Russians in the DPR and LPR. Crimea is vulnerable without the mainland, and the threat of war will remain as long as Bandera and Shukhevych are national heroes and not war criminals for the authorities in Kiev.
      2. Intensive
        Intensive 16 March 2015 10: 49
        +2
        Well, we lived in the Russian Empire and under the Soviets somehow together. Until they began to hang labels on us like "you are Russian, but you are not - you are Ukrainian", and they did not start making politics out of this, everything was fine. Little by little, assimilation proceeded.
  5. kursk87
    kursk87 16 March 2015 08: 03
    +5
    The West of Ukraine will always be against close relations with the Russian Federation. They don’t favor Russians there and they are sick of all Russian. The situation is different with the east. People living in the Donbass, in Odessa are closer to us in spirit and mentality.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 16 March 2015 08: 52
      +4
      Quote: kursk87
      The West of Ukraine will always be against close relations with the Russian Federation. They don’t favor Russians there and they are sick of all Russian. The situation is different with the east. People living in the Donbass, in Odessa are closer to us in spirit and mentality.

      Not quite so, in the West there are a lot of people mortally hating Bandera and sympathizing with Russia.
      Do not forget that Volyn, Podillia and Galicia suffered the most from Ukrainian nationalists. Now, when Bandera is supported by Kiev, people are afraid of openly opposing nationalists, but the monuments of Bandera are smashed and desecrated. If in Kiev anti-fascists come to power, Bandera will be kayuk first of all in the West.
      1. kursk87
        kursk87 16 March 2015 09: 39
        +1
        Of course in the West there are people who are against Bender. But when you consider that most nationalist organizations are from the west of Ukraine. What exactly the west of Ukraine supported the events on the Maidan. In western Ukraine, fascist marches are taking place. The West enthusiastically greeted the invaders during the war. That conclusion suggests itself
  6. polite people
    polite people 16 March 2015 08: 05
    +3
    There will be what will be. Part of Ukraine will become Russia. soldier
    1. U-47
      U-47 16 March 2015 08: 19
      0
      Quote: polite people
      Part of Ukraine will become Russia.

      on what basis? SMS voting in Uryupinsk among Ukrainian refugees?
  7. meriem1
    meriem1 16 March 2015 08: 08
    +6
    About the young poetess smile According to some reports, her boyfriend is already working in Russia. He doesn’t want to fight. So here they are non-brothers. Just like a bum bummed, so immediately the worldview changes. After all, her pathos texts are so good at it. . We are waiting for her poems on this pressing issue. Or how all ho.hly will lower his eyes ???
    1. Dryuya2
      Dryuya2 16 March 2015 08: 49
      +8
      Quote: meriem1
      Or how all ho.hly will lower his eyes ???

      I do not believe them (those who escaped from the draft) will now take a breath in Russia, they will thaw out and I think they will shit on us even on the sly. "brothers"
    2. andrew42
      andrew42 16 March 2015 10: 22
      +7
      Yes, this "flight to Russia" is most annoying when discussing the topic of "brotherhood". I just want to say: Ukrainian, well, you are such a Ukrainian! The bestial Nazi gopota captured your city, your village, your home, and you flee to Raseya. Even the thought of resistance does not arise. Well, you can send your family, relatives to Russia, and return yourself with the barrel. At least count. But even a thought does not arise! Where are you going to "go" further if a war starts against Russia tomorrow? - This is not brotherly thinking, oh not brotherly. In Russia, 70% of men would return with weapons in their hands to settle accounts with the offenders.
      1. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 16 March 2015 15: 27
        0
        Quote: andrew42
        70% of men would return to Russia with weapons in their hands to settle accounts with offenders.

        I think more than 70% came back, what would an eye on ... pull it! yes
        1. orphan 63
          orphan 63 16 March 2015 18: 15
          +2
          and you run to Raseya. There is not even a thought of resistance. Well, you can send your family, relatives to Russia, and return yourself with the barrel. At least count. But even a thought does not arise! Where are you going to "go" further if a war starts against Russia tomorrow? -


          This is the main question! They do not consider it necessary to protect their home, and even more so they will not protect Russia.
          Now many who have escaped receive our Russian citizenship under a simplified scheme, because they are supposedly "brothers". And how full-fledged Russian citizens will, in case of trouble, be drafted into the army.

          Do you want to be in the same trench or on the battlefield with "these patsephists-pofegists-cowards"?
          To appear yourself or to substitute your sons?

          And they will raise their children with self-like hatskraynikami and cowards!


          To hell with these "brothers" in the name of our country's own security! hi
  8. isker
    isker 16 March 2015 08: 11
    +2
    A friend of my enemy is my enemy!
  9. SALLAK
    SALLAK 16 March 2015 08: 17
    0
    In my opinion, a federal structure is not possible, it’s just the wrong mentality ... it is possible somewhere in Austria, Sweden ... in general, where people are quite calm and disciplined. And here ... there will always be disputes on various occasions ... Plus, and this is not unimportant. The United States is not interested in this, in fact, they brewed this porridge for a rather definite purpose. Now we can only guess how it will end.
  10. Egoza
    Egoza 16 March 2015 08: 20
    +7
    And Central Ukraine - what will it be? Kiev region or what? production where? I doubt that there will be such a central part for a very long time - everyone will rush to Russian Ukraine.
    1. domokl
      domokl 16 March 2015 08: 27
      +4
      Elena, welcome hi .And doesn’t it seem to you that we will bury a united Ukraine early? I have long talked about dividing into several parts. But this was when Ukraine was at least economically. And now?
      None of the lenders of Ukraine is now profitable in such a division. It’s divided and that’s all. Cried money. And the West just gnaws at the throat. Yes, and we have decent money invested there.
      So, all the same, I will insist on the Confederation. A kind of Ukrainian CIS until the full repayment of loans, that is. forever wink
      1. andj61
        andj61 16 March 2015 09: 30
        0
        Quote: domokl
        So, I will still insist on the Confederation.

        I am also ready to insist on the same. Do you think they will listen to us? request
        1. U-47
          U-47 16 March 2015 12: 13
          +1
          Quote: andj61
          Do you think they will listen to us?

          Of course not. Yes, and do not care. Kiev will not spray power over regional suseks. Their format is a single country with strict centralization. No powers to the regions, so as not to set a precedent. Minsk sideways. The constitution does not change. To keep the plebs confident that the country is balancing on the verge of martial law, that the president is more often dressed in camouflage than civilian, Russia is the aggressor and, in general, Heil Hitler. No, the last one will not please sponsors. Cross out.
      2. U-47
        U-47 16 March 2015 12: 07
        0
        Quote: domokl
        .And doesn’t it seem to you that we will bury a united Ukraine early? I have long talked about dividing into several parts. But this was when Ukraine was at least economically. And now?
        None of the lenders of Ukraine is now profitable such a separation

        a plus. Why is there no answer from opponents about "a stinking corpse", "there is no such state", "collapsed long ago", "a question of several months", etc.?
  11. Boos
    Boos 16 March 2015 08: 22
    +3
    All our enemies are interested in the Outskirts torn away from Russia, because with the return of the Outskirts to Russia, we are strengthening geopolitically. But we do not need Galicia with the Galicians, Let Galicia be the backwater of the West.
  12. valokordin
    valokordin 16 March 2015 08: 23
    +3
    When there was the USSR and Soviet power in the country, all people were brothers, and it was they who broke the ridge of fascism and Nazism. All religious contradictions were absent at the state level, since there was atheism without bellicose. There were no social contradictions, since there were no exploiters and exploited. The coming to power of the current bourgeoisie and the capitalists, oligarchs, a change in the mentality of the population as a result of the collapse of the state because of the betrayal of the ruling elite and generated this hatred. Putin is holding back the growing discontent. He would become Great if he limited the unbridled desire of power and the oligarchs for profit. Khoroshavin does not count. If you dig further, it will not seem enough.
    1. Viktor Kudinov
      Viktor Kudinov 16 March 2015 09: 46
      +1
      Under whom should we now "purge ourselves in order to sail further into revolution (or democracy)"? We need clear guidelines, and a clear understanding of what is good and what is bad! what
  13. Leonidych
    Leonidych 16 March 2015 08: 28
    +5
    to return for a while the zapadenschina again to the slaves of the zhekam, and then when they crawl on their knees, they’ll be mane and stall ...
  14. brom
    brom 16 March 2015 08: 37
    +6
    The author has trouble with the story.

    >> "Historically, the lands of Western (Polish) Ukraine have never been part of the Russian Empire or Russia.

    Is it okay that Poland was part of the Russian Empire? Yes, more. "Never" is written together. Learn Russian before being smart about Russian topics.
    1. captain
      17 March 2015 00: 17
      0
      I do not want to offend you, but do not know that there were three sections of Poland that are embarrassing. Poland was divided among themselves by Prussia, Russia and Austria. Galicia was never part of the Russian Empire. Before you teach others, at least show curiosity. Although judging by the commentary, you were always Ukrainian at the level of Yarosh- Crimea.
  15. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 16 March 2015 08: 44
    +6
    The article exaggerated the differences between the regions of Ukraine, moreover, they have little concern for the simple working people.
    National tensions and intolerance in Ukraine are being spread by a corrupt pro-American "elite" consisting of wealthy Jews, Bandera, Uniate nationalists and marginalized from among the so-called "national intelligentsia". A.S. Pushkin turned to these stinking bastards, or rather you can't say him.
    ...Lackeys are the eternal of Europe,
    Her spiritual slaves
    You perverted paternal experience
    And ancestors betrayed coffins,
    By the whim of a bad serf,
    Servants of other people's ideas,
    You have become a cattle of Europe
    You love whistling whips.
    You betrayed Russia a hundredfold,
    Alien - entrusted - the mind.
    Rus forgive you, but back
    Pulling your neck to the yoke.
    Mile to you - a foreign land.
    And you are destined because
    To know the will ... only the master
    And always bow to him ..
    ......
    1. chaldon
      chaldon 16 March 2015 10: 36
      +1
      This is not Pushkin. These are poems by Elena Fominichna Lavrentieva, a native of Donbass, written in 2003, but today these lines are more relevant than ever!
  16. Dilshat
    Dilshat 16 March 2015 08: 55
    +1
    An urgent operation is required for Ukraine to cut out gas gangrene (Galicia).
  17. erased
    erased 16 March 2015 09: 02
    +2
    Yes, the western regions of Ukraine are unlikely to want peace with the Russians. In any case, this is a process of several decades, but in the current conditions it is almost impossible to refocus the thinking of Westerners into a positive image for Russians. Eastern Ukraine within the framework of the whole of New Russia will return to Russia without much difficulty. And you’ll have to tinker with the central one, but you can still improve relations. So a third of Ukraine will be lost.
    This is understood in the West, therefore they work quite successfully in the central part, doing everything to further complicate contact with it. Sending people to war, hysteria in relation to Russians and so on. And still it is necessary to fight precisely for central Ukraine and those parts of New Russia that are still under the heel of the Nazis. To retreat is to lose Russian lands.
  18. Skif83
    Skif83 16 March 2015 09: 08
    +8
    I.V. Stalin
    No, we are doing the right thing to punish so severely nationalists of all stripes and colors. They are the best helpers of our enemies and the worst enemies of their own peoples. After all, the cherished dream of nationalists is to fragment the Soviet Union into separate "national" states, and then it will become easy prey for enemies. The peoples inhabiting the Soviet Union, for the most part, will be physically exterminated, while the rest will turn into dumb and miserable slaves of the conquerors.
    It is no coincidence that the despicable traitors of the Ukrainian people - the leaders of Ukrainian nationalists, all these millers, Konovalets, Bandera have already received the task from the German intelligence to incite among the Ukrainians who are the same Russians, hatred of the Russians and to seek the separation of Ukraine from the Soviet Union. All the same old song of ancient times from the period of the Roman Empire: divide and conquer.
    They especially succeeded in inciting ethnic hatred and setting some peoples against other British. Thanks to such tactics, bribing the miserable and corrupt leaders of different nations, capitalist island England, the first factory in the world, insignificant in size, managed to capture vast territories, enslave and rob many nations of the world, create a “Great” British Empire, in which, as it is boastfully say the British, the sun never sets.

    With us, this number, while we are alive, will not pass. So, in vain did Hitler’s fools call the Soviet Union a “house of cards”, which supposedly would fall apart at the first serious test, count on the fragility of the friendship of the peoples living in our country, hope to quarrel them with each other. In the event of a German attack on the Soviet Union, people of different nationalities living in our country will defend it without sparing their lives, like their beloved homeland.
    However, nationalists should not be underestimated. If you allow them to act with impunity, they will bring many troubles. That is why they must be kept in an iron rein, not to be allowed to dig into the unity of the Soviet Union.


    Everything is said ... !!!
  19. Tribuns
    Tribuns 16 March 2015 09: 14
    0
    The message is controversial ... Not only the lands of Western Ukraine, but Poland itself was part of the Russian Empire at the time, and about the years that Ukraine was part of the USSR, this is a special conversation, because for various reasons, including due to the presence of Ukrainians in the country's leadership, were eliminated hiding Bandera followers ...
  20. KBPC50
    KBPC50 16 March 2015 09: 25
    +1
    And according to our scientists, their DNA is very different from ours.
    Especially about DNA, we are very different, AT US AGTSTU, UTGSA, this is what OUR could a scientist come up with this? In nature, human DNA is almost the same! The difference is only in the order of the bases, and it determines only external signs and the difference by gender, and people are all good, if they are PEOPLE. And do not, do not talk about the exclusivity of nations, do not provoke! And the fact that the Catholic Church is an enemy to everything and everyone who does not agree has been known for a long time, since the time of Ivan Vasilievich (Grozny), they did not give some priest business in Russia, back in 1580, or around this year, and since then and it went, so they hate US, the Pope blessed the bombing of Yugoslavia, ran with a censer near NATO bombers. Our patriarchs have always called for war against the enemies of the attackers, i.e. aggressors, and call for world peace !!! HERE so about DNA.
    1. captain
      16 March 2015 18: 36
      0
      mspa7520.ru ›slavyanskie-dnk-i-krov
  21. ava09
    ava09 16 March 2015 09: 29
    0
    What Turkul wanted to say by this: "Historically, the lands of Western (Polish) Ukraine have never been part of the Russian Empire or Russia. Yes, more than 700 years ago the Rurikovichs reigned there, but a lot of time has passed since then." unclear. Lied and deceived himself. Or Russia, the Russian Empire, Russia, the USSR, finally, are not the same thing, and the Rurikovichs did not rule in Russia? It is dangerous when ignoramuses or liars begin to be active in the information field.
    1. captain
      17 March 2015 00: 30
      0
      You are probably a fan of Yarosh. He, too, broadcasts that Crimea was, is and will be Ukraine. Ukrainian Natsiks like to accuse a person of lies, sort it out, and then ovinuyte.
  22. atamankko
    atamankko 16 March 2015 09: 42
    +3
    "Brothers" will serve in Russia,
    and then back again
    they will water us with mud.
    They must be treated selectively.
  23. Reducer
    Reducer 16 March 2015 09: 49
    +2
    Over 23 of the year independently They couldn’t agree, so they will agree for them.
    The author does not see the forest because of the trees: DNA, religion, mentality, language. Do we have many peoples different in these indicators? However, we live, we are neighbors and we solve the problems ourselves - God forbid they will begin to solve for us.
    Problems begin from the moment of self-identification as a thoroughbred nationality, before each Nazi opens his mouth - STUDY YOUR PEDIGREE!
    AUTHOR - In Alabama, most of the inhabitants are Africans by origin, historically the territory is occupied by the Spaniards and I think the Indians are still not happy. Question: what will we consider DNA, churches, schools? THINK US FUN.
  24. vik669
    vik669 16 March 2015 09: 51
    +4
    Here is such a vast and indivisible Ukraine
  25. Andchevh
    Andchevh 16 March 2015 09: 51
    +5
    The article is true only in the part about western Ukraine, I have a Ukrainian father, and my mother is Russian and all relatives from eastern Ukraine, I can’t say that my relatives can’t be my brothers, my brains were littered ... specifically, but there’s a big difference from Russians, especially who I don’t see the Kuban! And let’s remember our 90s when we got rid of liberal crap ... we got the brains, the communists were to blame for everything, that’s how we will live under the Yeltsin’s democrat,, hell hell that my mother doesn’t grieve !! So they were going to heal without Yanukovych, but the sons of Israel quickly grabbed a mustache for themselves, people understand that he’s again .... whether, but he continues to believe that we can overcome Russia and live !! Moreover, everything for Crimea is insulting, although someone else’s freebie, but was taken away !! It's insulting yes! And here every day the wound is spread on TV!
  26. anakonda
    anakonda 16 March 2015 10: 00
    +2
    If you think that the Ukrainians speak different from spoken Russian and therefore they are not relatives to us, then you can get to the point that they begin to write that the conversation and accent in Siberia is different and the Russians living in Siberia are different from the Russian ethnic group.
  27. jovanni
    jovanni 16 March 2015 10: 00
    +3
    The ex-president of France, Giscard d'Estaing, apparently really understood the history of the state of Ukraine. Many states will support his proposal if they hear

    If I were a state, I would also support ...
  28. EvgNik
    EvgNik 16 March 2015 10: 09
    +3
    Joscard d "Esten has a wonderful article. I only doubt that it will be possible to create a federation, or a confederation. Rather, there will be 3 (if not more) separate states. With Novorossia, it is clear, so it will be Novorossia. But the rest will want to remain the only and unique Ukraine. There will be Ukraine # 1, Ukraine # 2, etc. Only here they will fight for the numbers.
    1. Marisat
      Marisat 16 March 2015 10: 26
      +2
      It will be nice.
      I wonder why they do not refuse the name Ukraine, because this is the Russian Outskirts? laughing
  29. gridasov
    gridasov 16 March 2015 10: 37
    +1
    Not all brothers are relatives. Not all those people who are in human guise. The incredible property of the Ukrainian war is that people have already perished, perish and will perish, and no one believes in the reality of this war. For most, war is like a game without consequences. And they begin to sober up only after something takes off. And on the street, spring and life go on.
  30. provincial
    provincial 16 March 2015 10: 39
    0
    Brothers, we are brothers, a head, two arms, two legs, a trunk. Only brains are different and upbringing too.
  31. Intensive
    Intensive 16 March 2015 11: 13
    +2
    Not all brothers are relatives


    What is this provocative little article? If we want the problem to grow, we need to think and speak in this vein. To constantly find a reason for inciting hostility, to poke offensive memories in one another’s nose.

    And according to our scientists, their DNA is very different from ours.

    You can also bring the Urals, or Siberians, or the Far East into a special group and find differences in DNA and other nonsense. There was a governor Rossel, who in the 90s wanted to launch the mechanism for the formation of the Ural Republic under the pretext "we feed everyone."

    The question should not be raised in people at all, but in a territory that is essentially artificially taken away from Russia as well as the other union republics. And for these territories our ancestors shed blood.

    The question should be this: do not like Russia, all Russian? Leave where you like, but the earth is not your friend, the land has been given to you for use, as a person who has accepted Russian. Who knew that you live with a stone in your bosom and don’t consider yourself a Russian.

    Any progress towards recognizing a group of people as a right to our land should be considered a betrayal of national interests.

    And in general, what is this argument "we feed them." This is idiocy of the highest order. Do those who think so really think they will live better when they lose control of the territory after its secession?
  32. gridasov
    gridasov 16 March 2015 12: 30
    +1
    You don't even have to watch a movie about the return of Crimea. Such a phenomenally performed operation with a complete and exhaustive, I emphasize, an exhaustive VICTORY. Because . that there is a victory with hidden elements of loss. And this is a complete and stunning VICTORY. Moreover, this fact itself develops further as an element of psychological and other influence on the enemy's consciousness. Of course, they will continue, foaming at the mouth and screaming in their rotten environment that victory will be theirs. But this is all "snoring of agony." They already understand on the subconscious and begin to decompose from within. In short, all this has already happened and passed. The conclusion is obvious. The people of Ukraine do not support them and they just need to wait for the boiling point. Impenetrable fortresses have always been captured from within.
  33. Lelek
    Lelek 16 March 2015 12: 31
    0
    (Former French President Giscard d'Estaing spoke on this topic much more realistically. He sees Ukraine as a confederate state consisting of three cantons: Polish Ukraine, Central Ukraine and Russian Ukraine. And these subjects of the confederation, in turn, can be federal .)

    I don't think this judgment is correct. The former Ukraine is much more diverse (take, for example, Hutsuls, Rusyns, Magyars, Greeks, Jews, etc.). Such a multiculturalism on its territory would be happiness for the country if it were for the unassailable aspiration of the "Fuhrer" to monoculturize the "square" under the banners of the sunk into oblivion of the Third Reich with a Ukrop bias. But what has grown has grown. fool
  34. act
    act 16 March 2015 12: 52
    0
    And here is a single, fraternal, common DNA. In Europe, many countries from the end of the century also have something in common. Here, the economic interests of the states and Germany have long spud the Ukrainian vegetable garden, and for more than 20 years, 2 generations of young people have grown up, whose energy was directed to the destruction of all historical ties. Rogues and adventurers were at the helm. We were not surprised how the former "fraternal" CMEA and Warsaw Pact countries suddenly became the EEC and NATO countries. Now here is Ukraine, and give Old Man some slack - Belarus is also possible. Therefore, our political, economic and military interests must be protected.
  35. pan_nor
    pan_nor 16 March 2015 12: 57
    0
    Historically, the lands of Western (Polish) Ukraine have never been part of the Russian Empire or Russia. Yes, more than 700 years ago there reigned Rurikovich, but much time has passed since then. During this time, the language has changed, it has become closer to Polish, the union has been signed with the Roman Catholic Church, and (most importantly) the mentality has changed. The people historically living there are neither bad nor good, they are just different for us and for South-Eastern Ukraine. The people there were raised by the Roman Catholic Church in hatred of everything Russian. And if we believe our scientists, then they and DNA is very different from ours.

    Everything is both simpler and more complicated. Those who renounced Orthodoxy were called Ukrainians in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Unlike Little Russians. And the Ukrainians began to destroy Russians 100 years ago. In the "Russian death camp Talerhof", for example. http://www.rusidea.org/?a=25090405
  36. science fiction writer
    science fiction writer 16 March 2015 13: 15
    +1
    Brothers are not brothers one chatter. And the fact that 80% of the lands of modern Ukraine are conquered and mastered by the Russians is a fact. And people on these lands are Ukrainized by deception is also a fact.
  37. Anatoly_1959
    Anatoly_1959 16 March 2015 13: 40
    -1
    In the cartoon, the housewife picked up an abandoned piece of stale bread with the words: "So you throw the whole economy", and here they propose to consider the whole region of Russia a stranger. I had to live in Ukraine for 6 years and communicate with people from different regions - there were no nationalists anywhere, everyone was ordinary Russian people may have pronounced some letters in their own way, which, incidentally, is typical for many regions of Russia. 300 years is a huge period, considering the life of one maximum at 80. These people and their descendants are Russians, people of different nationalities from the beginning, but now Russians. My children have descendants of Russians, Poles, Greeks, Little Russians - these are only those whom we know, but in general it is a dark matter for centuries. There are no longer pure nations in the national sense, at least in our land empire. Propaganda and only propaganda makes a person what he is. Otherwise, he considers himself to be one of those who raised him, be it at least a wolf or a baboon. , by creating a peculiar character belonging to a particular ethnic group, one can educate someone who later becomes a citizen. There is no need to reject the Ukrainians, we need to educate them, moreover, using examples of pride in their ancestors and history, and not making up a story from the finger - only RUIN will turn out, which, unfortunately, we are now observing.
    1. captain
      16 March 2015 17: 47
      0
      I graduated from the 152 Secondary School in 1972 in Kiev, the Kiev Higher Combined Arms School in 1976, served in the Kiev District from 1976 to 1982, came to my parents on vacation until their death in 2006. My cousin was born in Ivano-Frankivsk, his father - Bandera served 10 years. My sisters live in Ukraine. You are so far from what really is and what happened.
  38. Zomanus
    Zomanus 16 March 2015 14: 45
    0
    There will be no federal Ukraine. States will not allow. They need to destroy all living in this country. It is advisable that at the same time we would annoy. And on account we are not brothers ... No, not brothers. For over the years of the existence of the USSR, people seem to be a little, but have changed. And now this is creating a little critical differences that will not allow our peoples to converge back.
  39. iury.vorgul
    iury.vorgul 16 March 2015 15: 05
    +1
    Enough to argue already, our brothers are Ukrainians, or not brothers. I already wrote in a comment on another article today that the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Bandershtat Klimkin is a native of Kursk and graduated from the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology in 1991. A crest is not a nationality, it is a state of mind. In 1983-84 I served as an urgent in the South Ossetian Army in the GRU special forces regiment, though the operator of the long-range direction finder was R-363, as we had a lot of guys from Ukraine, including from the West. Among them were not very good guys, so to speak, there were normal ones. But I did not meet such a bastard, like my own - Kharitonov, not earlier, not later. And by the way, he was from Dnepropetrovsk.
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 17 March 2015 08: 58
      0
      I agree. Crest is expecting Russian. The rest is consequences.
  40. combin23
    combin23 16 March 2015 17: 54
    0
    Quote: Starover_Z
    Maybe Obama will also hear him?

    Will not hear. Obama needs the Outskirts from the sea to the eastern borders, for less it does not agree!

    So that they don’t talk about Obama, but compared to those wolves Bush-Clintons who came before him and will be after him, he is a harmless, good-natured kindergarten frolic in golf with childlike spontaneity.
  41. wanderer
    wanderer 16 March 2015 18: 03
    +2
    We are Russians, accustomed to combining words - All Slavs are brothers, and must live in peace and harmony.
    It is believed that not all Slavs know about this. What good is it for me from my Ukrainian brother who is sleeping and sees how to dunk me. I will say right away - I saw such a brother in a coffin.
    I have a brother (sister) who wants to be with me in peace, in friendship, who will help me in difficult times, and I will help him.
    Let this brother be, even a Turk, even a Chinese, yes even a Papuan from New Guinea.
    ========== Rubicon passed.
  42. Lexa-149
    Lexa-149 16 March 2015 18: 07
    0
    This, so to speak, "poetess" did not write anything, but stupidly stole this poem!
    The famous poem by Anastasia Dmitruk "We will never be brothers" is not her poem.

    It was also written by Ukrainian Larisa Yesinovich.
    Supporters of the Maidan redid it in their own way, after which a lot of improvisations went.
    Here is the ORIGINAL of this poem:

    The Nazis will not be brothers to us
    Neither in the homeland, nor in the mother!
    You have no spirit to be free -
    We will not even become consolidated with you.

    Your horror movies are not scary for us
    We are with the stars, you are with the swastika!
    Maydanut you faceless.
    It is we, not you, who are great.

    From inferiority and dullness
    You have done so many nonsense!
    And you shot at your back
    How to call you? Perhaps pigs?

    Yarosh, Bily and other bastard
    You Europe brain confused.
    On the Maidan they watered potions.
    You burned your "Berkut" with "cocktails"!

    You are with your bastard Bandera,
    Well - with the holy Fatherland and faith!
    You whine without knowing
    You are with war, and we are with victory!

    Tearing from the West you horde
    But our business is right!
    If now with regards to Russians -
    That we never give up.

    Your Rada is egg-headed
    Not the last, and not new.
    Steals everything to the last,
    Leave the poor poor!

    How wrong were you with the right sector
    Ordinary and vector.
    Shed blood - wash yourselves,
    Then you will not hide from reckoning.

    You who raised the country to the knives
    The words of reason not understood!
    Run - help!
    God will not repay without our help!

    You have no spirit to be free -
    We will not even become consolidated with you.
    The Nazis will not be brothers to us
    Neither in the homeland, nor in the mother!

    Larisa Yasenovich

    So, plagiarism is obvious !!!
  43. Madnesz
    Madnesz 16 March 2015 18: 11
    0
    Western Ukraine was Russian. Until the Poles staged genocide in order to populate their nationality. So in my opinion the best option is to populate the Russians back. Historically fair, at least. And give Bandera Poland. Or the Baltic states, they are there really hurt for them.
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 17 March 2015 08: 55
      0
      "Western Ukraine was Russian." - This is true in the part of the slaves, in whom the population of Western Russia was converted. As for the "elite", since the 15th century they have become polonized, catholicized, and voluntarily. And even forward Lithuania. It was the former Western Russian princes who went over to the gentry and "surrendered" the Grand Duchy of Lithuania to the Poles for digestion. If the elite is a stranger, then sooner or later the population will become a stranger.
  44. tetrako
    tetrako 16 March 2015 22: 30
    +1
    "And according to our scientists, their DNA is very different from ours."
    I see the author is the deepest specialist in genetics. And you can ask, "Ukrainian" DNA was compared with South Russian, or with "Moscow Russian" or "General Russian" DNA?
  45. Sendi7s
    Sendi7s 17 March 2015 01: 32
    0
    Minus a huge article. Let us also, as fascists, define who the "true Aryan" is. They also started with this - with the definition of the purebredness of their race.
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 17 March 2015 09: 09
      0
      Race is the common heritage of most of the peoples of Eurasia. And there is no need to smear this concept with anything. If the Nazis perverted the concept of Race to unleash WW2 at the request of the Jewish clans, against the Race in essence, this does not mean that you need to spit into your own essence. You should not burn your house after the Nazi is driven out of it, it is enough to wash it white. And what about the population of Ukraine, that is, normal authoritative research, the data of which indicate 4 main different genotypes of the inhabitants of the Okrug. It just is and that's it. As well as the fact that the closest genetic relatives of the Great Russians and Belarusians are Poles and East Germans, no matter how infuriated anyone is. Such is the "zhist". The fact that the value system is predominantly inherited (genetically) is no longer a secret. Therefore, in Ukraine there are those who are one with us, and those who are always with a knife in their bosom. Separating the wheat from the chaff and taking it home - there is no other way out and there is no other way. For the rest, evolution and ethnogenesis will show that "God is not a ruff".
      1. Sendi7s
        Sendi7s 17 March 2015 14: 58
        0
        For andrew42 RU Today, 09:09

        How can you easily and deftly dispose of the destinies and desires of millions of people: "To separate the grain from the chaff and take it home - there is no other way out and there is no other way." And if they don't want it like that?!?!
        The rulers of the USSR have already screwed up, then giving Crimea to Ukraine, then taking away, then deporting the Crimean Tatars, then in Belovezhskaya Pushcha they suddenly took vodka and decided to divide the great country into appanage principalities ... Maybe it's time to stop and not break the fate of peoples, in passing putting forward such theories, to which you refer: "the value system is predominantly inherited (genetically)"? This value system can easily be broken and a new one can be created by providing the necessary propaganda and appropriate conditions in the environment. What happened in Ukraine. Russia unwittingly missed the fact that the information field in Ukraine was completely captured by the US State Department. And in twenty-three years, even the most crystal-clear genetically Russian can be turned into an ardent nationalist with the appropriate zombification.
  46. washi
    washi 17 March 2015 12: 16
    0
    Ukraine is a Polish term.
    Ukraine began with the betrayal of Danila Galitsky.
    Then there was still a lot of betrayal.
    Ukrainian is an artificially grown civilization of traitors and egoists.
    People speaking the Malorussian dialect are not automatically Ukrainians.
  47. Straight
    Straight 17 March 2015 19: 39
    0
    In any case, the entire "Russian Confederation" will eventually be part of Russia. And stop building artificial state formations!