Elusive Avengers

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Thirty years ago, the Utkin brothers created battle railroad missile systems (BZHRK) - “launch sites on wheels”, which, by their elusiveness and combat power, terrified the United States. The Americans did their best to destroy them. However, the Russians did not surrender, and in a few years a new generation of BZHRK will be released on the open spaces of our country - Barguzin missile systems

В stories the confrontation between the Soviet / Russian and American military engineering schools is one page that still evokes a feeling of the deepest respect for domestic engineers and the deepest shock of the actions of 90 politicians of the last century. It is about the creation in the Soviet Union of combat railway missile systems (BZHRK) - the most powerful weaponswhich has never been created equal in any country of the world.

Attempts to adapt the railway platforms under the launch sites for the missiles were made even by the engineers of Nazi Germany. In the Soviet Union at the end of 50, these works were carried out in OKB-301 under the direction of Semyon Lavochkin (cruise missile "Storm") and OKB-586 under the leadership of Mikhail Yangel (creating a specialized train for basing a ballistic missile of medium range P-12). However, true success in this direction was achieved only by the Utkin brothers — General Designer of Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Vladimir Fedorovich Utkin (Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine) and General Designer of Design Bureau of Special Engineering (St. Petersburg, Russia) Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Alexei Fedorovich Utkin. Under the leadership of the elder brother, an intercontinental ballistic missile RT-23 and its railway version RT-XNUMHUTTH (23IX15, "Scalpel" according to NATO classification) were created, and under the direction of the younger brother, the "spaceport on wheels" capable of carrying three "Scalpel »And launch them from anywhere in the Soviet Union, with which there is a railway connection.

The success of the Utkin brothers in the creation of BZHRK, obviously, is due to at least two reasons. The first - by the 70 years of the last century in the USSR, a clear and fully reflecting objective reality concept of using combat railway missile systems was formed. The Soviet BZHRK was a “retaliation weapon”, which was supposed to be used after a probable opponent launched a massive nuclear strike on the territory of the USSR. The country's extensive railway network made it possible to hide rocket trains anywhere. Therefore, having appeared, practically, out of nowhere, 12 of Soviet BZHRK carrying 36 intercontinental ballistic missiles (each of which carried atomic 10 separable charges), in response to a nuclear strike could literally wipe out any European country that is part of in NATO, or several large US states. The second reason for the appearance of BZHRK is the very high potential of Soviet military designers and engineers, and the availability of the necessary technologies for the mass production of such products. “The task that the Soviet government has set for us was striking in its grandeur. In domestic and world practice, no one has ever encountered so many problems. We had to place an intercontinental ballistic missile in a railroad car, but a missile with a launcher weighs more than 150 tons. How to do it? After all, the train with such a huge load should go on the national routes of the Ministry of Railways. How to transport a strategic nuclear-guided missile in general, how to ensure absolute safety on the way, because we were given the estimated speed of the train up to 120 km / h. Will the bridges withstand, will the canvas collapse, and the launch itself, how to transfer the load on the railroad tracks when launching the rocket, will the train stand on the rails during the launch, how to lift the rocket into a vertical position as quickly as possible after the train stops? ” General Designer of the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau Vladimir Fedorovich Utkin, who tormented him at that moment in his questions.

All these problems were successfully solved and twelve Soviet rocket trains became a toothache for Americans. The extensive railway network of the USSR (each train could move 1 thousand km per day), the presence of numerous natural and artificial shelters did not allow determining their location with a sufficient degree of confidence, including using satellites.

Nothing like the American engineers and the military to create and could not, although they tried. A prototype of the US BZHRK before 1992, was tested at the US railway test site and the Western missile test site (Vandenberg Air Force Base, California). It consisted of two standard locomotives, two launch vehicles with ICBM “MX”, a command post, support system wagons and personnel wagons. At the same time, the Americans did not succeed in creating effective mechanisms for lowering the contact network and removing the rocket during its launch away from the train and railway tracks, so the launch of missiles by American BZhRK was assumed from specially equipped launch sites, which, of course, significantly reduced the factor of stealth and surprise. In addition, unlike the USSR, the rail network in the United States is less developed, and railways are owned by private companies. And this created many problems, ranging from the fact that civilian personnel would have to be involved in controlling the locomotives of the rocket trains, ending problems with creating a system for centralized control of combat patrols of the BZhRK and the organization of their technical operation.

As a result, first, at the insistence of Great Britain, from 1992, Russia put its BZHRK “at a joke” - to the places of permanent deployment, then - in 1993, it undertook, according to the START-2 agreement, to destroy all the RT-10UTX missiles during 23 years . And although this agreement, in fact, has not entered into legal force, in 2003-2005, all Russian BZHRKs were removed from combat duty and disposed of. The appearance of two of them can now be seen only in the museum of railway equipment at the Warsaw station of St. Petersburg and in the AvtoVAZ Technical Museum.

Reference: The first BZHRK 15P961 "Well done" with the intercontinental ballistic missile 15Х61 (РТ-23 УТТХ, SS-24 "Ссалрел") was adopted in the Soviet Union in 1987 year. By 1992, three rocket divisions armed with BZHRK were deployed in our country: 10-rocket division in the Kostroma region, 52-rocket division deployed in ZATO Star (Perm Territory), 36-I rocket division, KTO, ). In each of the divisions there were four missile regiments (a total of 12 BZHRK trains, three launchers in each).

Well done "with the mind looked like a regular train of several refrigerated and passenger cars. This structure consisted of three three-car launch modules with RTB-23UTTH ICBMs, a command module consisting of 7 railcars, a tank-car with reserves of fuel and lubricants and three diesel locomotives DM-62. The train and the launcher were developed on the basis of a four-car eight-axle wagon with a carrying capacity of 135 tons by KBSM. The minimum launcher module included three cars: the launcher control station, the launcher and the support unit. Each of the three launchers included in the BZHRK could launch as part of a train or autonomously. When moving along the country's railway network, the BZhRK made it possible to quickly change the location of the launch site up to 1000 kilometers per day. At the same time, it was possible to identify the train as BZHRK only by the presence of a third locomotive as part of it, or by drawing attention to ground-based refrigeration cars with eight wheeled pairs (a regular freight car has four wheeled pairs). Even reducing the mass of the missile at 1.5 tons compared with the mine option and load distribution of the launcher along the eight axes of the car did not allow the designers to fully fit into the permissible axial load on the path. To solve this problem, special “unloading” devices were used in the BZHRK, redistributing part of the weight of the car with the launcher to the neighboring cars. To ensure the autonomous operation of the starting module, as well as devices for shorting and discharging the contact network, the starting modules were equipped with four diesel generators with a power of 100 kW. The autonomy of the rocket train operation was 28 days.

The RT-23UTTH rocket itself had a head part of a separable type of individual targeting with ten warheads with a power of 0.43Мт and a complex of means for overcoming missile defense. Firing range - 10100 km. The length of the rocket 23 m. The launch weight of the rocket 104,8 t. The mass of the rocket with the launch container 126 tons. Having received an order to launch rockets, the train stopped at any point on its route.

With a special device, the contact suspension was set aside, the roof of one of the refrigerated cars was opened, from where a launch canister with a rocket was raised to a vertical position. After this was carried out mortar missile launch. Coming out of the container, the rocket was deflected away from the train with the help of a powder accelerator and only after that the cruise engine was launched on it.

And this technology made it possible to divert the rocket propulsion engine from the launch complex and thereby ensure the stability of the rocket train, the safety of people and engineering structures, including the railway ones. From the moment of receiving the launch order to the launch of the rocket, no more than 3 minutes passed.


The Soviet BZHRK were officially removed from combat duty in May 2005. However, over the past 10 years, the potential threat to our country has not diminished. She just transformed. The current US administration is professing a strategy of "global disarming strike", according to which a massive non-nuclear strike can suddenly be brought down to the territory of a potential enemy. “That rearmament program, primarily of sea-based weapons, which the United States is conducting, allows them to reach the total amount of possible delivery of important 2015-2016 thousands of cruise missiles to the important facilities of the Russian Federation during the 6,5-7 period, with about 5 thousand sea ​​carriers, ”Pavel Sozinov, general designer of the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Group, told reporters at the end of last year.

To keep this “winged swarm” from attack is possible only if the United States knows that it will precisely and guaranteed receive a retaliatory strike. Therefore, work began on 2012 in Russia to create a new generation of combat railroad missile systems. Development work on this topic is led by the main creator of Russian ICBMs, the Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering (MIT). In contrast to the “Well done”, the “Barguzin” (the so-called new rocket train will be called) will be armed not with “Scalpels”, but with the “Yars” type rockets entirely Russian development and production. They are twice as light as the PT-23UTTH, although they do not contain 10, but 4 (according to open sources) of divided warheads. But fly a thousand kilometers further. The first rocket train should be commissioned in 2018 year.

Judging by the available information, the Barguzin in general - neither cars, nor diesel locomotives, nor electromagnetic radiation, will be distinguished from the total mass of freight trains, thousands of which are now scurrying daily on Russian railways. For example, the “Well done” was carrying three DM62 diesel locomotives (a special modification of the М62 serial diesel locomotive) with an aggregate power of 6 thousand lh.s. And the capacity of one of the current trunk two-section diesel locomotive 2ТЭ25А "Vityaz", which is serially produced by Transmashholding, is 6 800 hp. And the mass of “Yars” does not require additional reinforcement of either wagons or the railway tracks along which the train passes. Therefore, soon our country will once again have another weighty “argument” in talking about peace on our planet.
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  1. +62
    14 March 2015 06: 39
    We are looking forward to our updated BZHRK, another weighty "argument" in a conversation with the West at the head of Washington!
    1. +11
      14 March 2015 06: 47
      Quote: avvg
      We are looking forward to our updated BZHRK, another weighty "argument" in a conversation with the West at the head of Washington!

      judging by how the budget is being cut, it’s a long time to wait ... both "armature" and "barguzin", and "pak-fa" too request
      1. +23
        14 March 2015 08: 38
        How nice it is to realize that the complex will be called 《Barguzin》 because this is the name of a river in Buryatia, and in particular this river takes its roots in my native village !!!
        1. +16
          14 March 2015 11: 38
          ... as well as the name of a small but pretty furry animal.

          With a sense of humor, our weapons makers always had everything in order.
        2. +2
          15 March 2015 04: 43
          Quote: krokodil25
          《Barguzin》 because this is the name of the river in Buryatia,

          I think that they named it not because of the river, but because of the wind on Lake Baikal laughing You should know this Gene))))
          1. +7
            15 March 2015 20: 40
            River Biryusa ... There is consonance with Barguzin. Yes, one of the complexes could be named "Arctic Fox" or "Full Arctic Fox")))
            1. +4
              15 March 2015 21: 46
              If there is a Barguzin sable, then why not be a Barguzin fox.
            2. +3
              16 March 2015 08: 05
              If the United States begins to imitate Russia and gives names to its weapons, then some of its types may be called "skunk", "great skunk", "possum", etc., etc. laughing
              1. +2
                16 March 2015 17: 57
                The US had (or has) the Opossum nuclear submarine
          2. +1
            15 March 2015 21: 13
            ... but don’t call it, if only as soon as possible ----- time is spent on conversations !!!!
        3. Urgal
          0
          15 March 2015 08: 21
          Not only the river, but also the wind!
        4. +2
          15 March 2015 17: 36
          Barguzin is a strong east wind on Lake Baikal.
          1. +2
            16 March 2015 05: 14
            "Barguzin" that is not called! Irkutsk has a cinema and "Barguzinsky" dumplings and cutlets!)))) Now BZHRK! IT IS NOT IN THE NAME BUT HIS POWER !!! And what traitor came up with the idea to remove trains from service in 2005! he is still in office ...
            1. -1
              17 March 2015 07: 19
              And what traitor came up with the idea to remove trains from service in 2005!


              Such decisions are made exclusively by the commander-in-chief. And this was done not from the "lantern", but under the pressure of objective reasons. After a friend, brother and matchmaker (or, in a simple way, a traitor to the Motherland) Borya signed START-93 in 2 (according to which the BZHRK base area was limited to a small patch, and by 2003, under this agreement, we had to dismantle them altogether) the combat potential of the BZHRK began to tend to zero, since the letter-type fast "train number zero" became a "railcar minus one" on the siding. In 2002, realizing the detriment to the defense capability of our state START-2, Mr. Putin signed a decree denouncing START-2 (since the USA + NATO in conventional weapons had not just an overwhelming advantage, but simply a catastrophic one). An audit was carried out of what the liberals managed to do under this treaty (and I must say a lot more, a little more, and we would no longer have a nuclear missile potential as a factor). After this revision, they began to save what could still be saved. By that time, the production and operation of the BRZhK (since it had been preparing for decommissioning for more than 9 years) had lost all cooperative technological chains (there was close cooperation with Ukraine), which made it impossible to continue to keep this complex in service. There was simply no money to localize the production of this complex in the Russian Federation at that time, and even those. the documentation turned out to be abroad (KB "Yuzhnoye").

              he is now at the post ...


              Do not hesitate, it solves the problems of the whole country, our territory from the occupation of all parasites and freeloaders returns. wink Recently here in the movie lit up about the Crimea Yes
              1. wclc2
                0
                13 May 2015 17: 10
                Correctly said, honestly and without malice to someone from countries, politicians. I respect you.
      2. +10
        14 March 2015 10: 26
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        judging by how the budget is being cut, it’s a long time to wait ... both "armature" and "barguzin", and "pak-fa" too

        The budget is the budget, and now create a new type of armament, with a new and preferably domestic filling that can withstand all the requirements of the military, oh, how easy it is!
        Here is the time. And I think people work while we are making assumptions and plans here.
      3. +1
        14 March 2015 12: 28
        The trouble with the money in the country ... and the illiterate minister also steers the weak Central Bank ... when these developments come into the picture unclear
        1. Vlad.by
          +6
          15 March 2015 19: 36
          Well, yes, he is criticized by a helluva lot of literate "civilian" who has a "problem with money", but who, due to his intellect, will easily plug the "weak Central Bank" into his belt.
          And why are you so smart, but ... do not go in formation?
          1. +2
            15 March 2015 21: 37
            the whole country is economists, and everyone knows everything about the economy ...
        2. +1
          16 March 2015 15: 29
          You’ve come straight to the point, just like Barguzin, which doesn’t exist yet, and money is allocated only for the banking sector, which is for military development, so again, in the budgets, the wind walks also called Barguzin!
      4. +11
        14 March 2015 20: 10
        It’s good that the designers are working, but there are many promises, but where are the new mobile systems of the Strategic Missile Forces on alert.
        Professionals are well aware that the supply of weapons to the troops and their readiness for combat use is not the same !!! And the Americans also understand this well. In the meantime, our best designers are clearly not doing it.
        And we should probably already start taking very tough measures against our "storytellers", because every problem has a name. Name Patronymic name.
        glory to the rocket technology of the Soviet Union, which has been reliably dragging for 25 years the difficult burden of protecting our homeland!
      5. +9
        14 March 2015 20: 25
        Yes, wait a long time. But there is a way to speed it up. Remember how in the Great Patriotic War, workers, peasants and intellectuals who were hungry and worked for 12-16 hours, collected a penny, a salary, fees. For which aircraft, tanks and so on were built. They gave the last. What is it that their descendants cost us. For a little bit. For 1000 p. We are at least somehow rejoicing for the country of eighty million. I hope to a minimum. Here and multiply. How much is it? With the world on a thread, naked Mercedes. It is possible and who as much as possible. And as a percentage of the salary. The main thing is the idea itself.
        And don’t tell me what they’ll steal. Of course, yes. But these are organizational problems.
        1. +1
          15 March 2015 01: 19
          With the world on a string, naked Mercedes recourse what
          1. +2
            15 March 2015 05: 39
            Quote: your1970
            With the world on a string, naked Mercedes recourse what

            Actually, this proverb sounded earlier like this: "WORLD ON THREAD TO HITLER LOOP" feel
        2. +6
          15 March 2015 18: 44
          Gelitch Yesterday, 20:25 ↑
          Yes, wait a long time. But there is a way to speed it up. Remember how in the Great Patriotic War, workers, peasants and intellectuals who were hungry and worked for 12-16 hours, collected a penny, a salary, fees. For which aircraft, tanks and so on were built. They gave the last. What is it that their descendants cost us. For a little bit. For 1000 p. We are at least somehow rejoicing for the country of eighty million. I hope to a minimum. Here and multiply. How much is it? With the world on a thread, naked Mercedes. It is possible and who as much as possible. And as a percentage of the salary. The main thing is the idea itself.
          And don’t tell me what they’ll steal. Of course, yes. But these are organizational problems.

          The governor of Sakhalin has already responded to your patriotic appeal. I agree to give a billion in cash, and the rest for hours.
          1. 0
            16 March 2015 18: 10
            What is it that their descendants cost us. For a little bit. For 1000 p. We are at least somehow rejoicing for the country of eighty million. I hope to a minimum. Here and multiply. How much is it? With the world on a string, naked Mercedes


            Although I am not a pessimist, I am afraid that the matter will not move further than Mercedes for the next "naked" thing.
            Well, if I'm wrong.
      6. 0
        15 March 2015 18: 10
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        judging by how the budget is being cut, it’s a long time to wait ... both "armature" and "barguzin", and "pak-fa" too

        I'd like to note! This is open source they say that they cut !!!!! Are they cutting ?! There is still a secret part in the budget that they don’t talk about! laughing
      7. +2
        15 March 2015 19: 45
        Reliable and safe umbrella is an indispensable thing for Russian weather.
      8. +1
        16 March 2015 15: 25
        In parallel with such good information, I would like to hear the good news about the abolition of the moratorium on the death penalty for such lumberjacks.
      9. borymba
        -2
        16 March 2015 20: 56
        I agree, our army is clumsy
    2. +12
      14 March 2015 08: 59
      Wonderful article. And you go, relaxed.
    3. +4
      14 March 2015 12: 38
      More such arguments. good
    4. +4
      14 March 2015 16: 13
      Handsomely! Yes, with mattresses only on such intonations, they don’t understand otherwise.
      1. 0
        15 March 2015 20: 43
        Convincing the Americans is best done with new strategic nuclear weapons. Feeling a guaranteed (as the Poles say) "pshizdets", they become quite sane, at least for a while!)))
    5. 0
      14 March 2015 16: 19
      Yes, yes and yes again!
    6. +15
      15 March 2015 01: 54
      Quote: avvg
      We are looking forward to our updated BZHRK, another weighty "argument" in a conversation with the West at the head of Washington!

      "In a moment of celebration and rejoicing" ... Let us recall, for example, those thanks to whom our BZHRK were cut on nails. Let at least not shoot the one who has not yet died and not dig out the one who has already escaped from the answer - at least they wrote in the textbooks, thanks to whom the Pentagon in the report to the US Congress in 1996 predicted the complete collapse of the Russian army by the 2000 year.

      Let us remember these "heroes" and go to their graves!
      1. +1
        15 March 2015 17: 38
        Such an order would suit many of our liberals. Only they don’t give them on the edible.
      2. 0
        15 March 2015 20: 48
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        natsym to their graves!

        Alas, it will not work! The tomb of EBON on concrete Tricolor covered!
        1. 0
          15 March 2015 23: 17
          but God doesn’t break into the light - horseradish builder (he graduated from the construction department of UPI named after S.M.
      3. 0
        16 March 2015 08: 09
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        "In a moment of celebration and glee" ... Let us recall, for example, those thanks to whom our BZHRK was cut on nails
        I do not know a single missile who regretted writing off this complex.
        The missile system turned out to be crude. There were accidents, there were leaks of toxic fuel. On the public path in running order, these war systems were not released, because ways broke.
        1. 0
          16 March 2015 14: 40
          Quote: ism_ek
          The missile system turned out to be crude. There were accidents, there were leaks of toxic fuel.

          And you can in more detail - about leaks solid fuel?
        2. 0
          17 March 2015 00: 10
          Believe the man working on the railway. since 89, he walked along public roads and stopped at the passenger stations for some time to refuel. That he created certain difficulties with the execution of the train schedule, yes, but the railway is a strategic object and it was always understood with such difficulties.
          1. Urgal
            0
            18 March 2015 14: 24
            Drinking water purified by silver ions was refueled only at points of permanent deployment. In constant BG, they moved, usually at night, according to the schedule of a regular freight train. But at the same time, all barrier places were guarded and turnouts along the route were sewn up. Station managers met each P-350 train in person.
        3. Urgal
          0
          18 March 2015 14: 31
          Complete nonsense! I have been working with this complex for 6 years! Yes, it was difficult, but in our memory it will remain forever! No wonder the mattresses were so afraid of him! And in response they could not do anything worthwhile.
    7. +3
      15 March 2015 15: 50
      You see, the Americans did everything to destroy our BZHRK, and that they are leading our country, what the hell are we always submitting to the will of others, why didn’t we make them destroy something substantial too, it’s good that our president is now different Gorbachev or Yeltsin, otherwise there would have been a pipe.
      1. 0
        15 March 2015 23: 18
        It is necessary to change the Constitution of the Russian Federation (dictated by advisers from the CIA)
    8. ilysha
      +1
      16 March 2015 11: 46
      Guys, I don’t understand something ...
      Explain why now, I repeat, NOW, nowadays, this train is needed, if there is a poplar-m?
      What is the difference? I just don’t understand this)
    9. 0
      16 March 2015 13: 10
      to launch a couple of trains across Europe to ride, even you can with bombs instead of missiles ...
    10. ZKB
      0
      16 March 2015 20: 40
      ROLLING ROLLING BLUE WAGON ...
      1. 0
        16 March 2015 21: 36
        Quote: ZKB
        ROLLING ROLLING BLUE WAGON ...


        A good film about the creation of BZHRK
  2. +20
    14 March 2015 06: 47
    Anyway, the last word for weapons and power! And the West will not be able to oppose anything to us!
    1. +4
      14 March 2015 14: 31
      Anyway, the last word for weapons and power! And the West will not be able to oppose anything to us!

      the weapon itself is just a bunch of "iron" ... even the most modern and most powerful. He needs people who know this weapon, who know how to use it effectively + skillful leaders who really care for Russia. And these people should still have honor, conscience, high morale.
      Then the West will definitely break off.
      1. Urgal
        +1
        15 March 2015 08: 58
        There will be no particular problems in the training of officers for the BZHRK. Railway transport specialists will be trained by the military transport university of railway troops and VOSO, as it was in the 80s. Missile officers of any university of the Strategic Missile Forces.
    2. +2
      14 March 2015 14: 40
      Kuzhugetych keep it up !!!
    3. 0
      15 March 2015 23: 21
      "partners" oppose us with an army of economists trained by them, implementing the principles of their liberal economy in the Russian Federation!
    4. 0
      16 March 2015 12: 03
      Not so simple! Americans are not fools either. It’s not in vain that Rogozin started a torment with disconnecting GPS stations in Russia. In addition to the US navigation network, 11 stations responsible for seismological monitoring spread across our territory. Experts say this is just a cover. In fact, these stations monitor the movement, just BZHRK. Because the movement of conventional train formations differs in terms of the seismological trace from that left by the BZHRK. So there is still work and work.
  3. +14
    14 March 2015 06: 48
    Yes, the reformers did something in their day belay , so many technical samples just under the knife what everything needs to be restored good Westerners do not want to live peacefully with Russia sad , here again, messing around and want something!
    1. +3
      14 March 2015 21: 14
      It is not clear why in 2003-2005. gave the command to cut these trains, and in 2015 create and it’s interesting if the same people gave these opposing teams)))
      We Russians create problems for ourselves, and then we solve them with a heroic look
      1. +1
        15 March 2015 20: 16
        Russia did this because the warranty period for the operation of the rockets that Yuzhmash produced was ending. And apparently, for these reasons, they no longer wanted to deal with Ukraine.
      2. 0
        16 March 2015 14: 52
        Quote: Patriot2012
        It is not clear why in 2003-2005. gave the command to cut these trains

        Because the rockets were solid fuel. And TT has an unpleasant property to decompose over time. Therefore, the rockets had to be reloaded. But the trouble is - there was nowhere to do it. Yuzhmash and Pavlodar remained in Ukraine, the first was breathing incense, and the second was completely dead.
        Actually, pr. 941 died for the same reason - rockets were rotten.

        In addition, the first version of the BZHRK was not so inconspicuous. Recall what was written in the article:
        Well done "looked like regular train from several refrigerated and passenger cars. This structure included three three-car launch modules with ICBMs RT-23UTTKH, a command module consisting of 7 cars, a tank car with reserves of fuels and lubricants, and three diesel locomotives DM-62. The train and launcher were designed based on four-car eight-axle wagon with a loading capacity of 135 tons by KBSM forces.

        That is, we have a train of 17 cars and 3 diesel locomotives for them. The cars themselves are non-standard 8-axle cars, which are few on the road. And so a short train with excess traction and non-standard wagons appears on the "empty" section and further goes around the country, without going to the sorting yards for re-forming, without entering warehouses and factories - and then disappears on another section.
        Now let's remember that all traffic on Russian Railways is controlled by a civil automated control system (which, for example, includes wheelset meters). And in this ACS, such a composition "glows" like a white elephant. And anyone who has access to this ACS at the level of a separate road can at any time determine the location of a separate BZHRK with an accuracy of a polygon or positional area.

        The whole problem of BZHRK is that they are moving not just along civilian routes, but along routes where all movement is controlled in real time. It’s the same as allowing the SSBN to move only in the surface above civilian fairways with obligatory wiring from the shore.
        1. wclc2
          0
          13 May 2015 17: 38
          Correctly. Glows even like this elephant. As said, the essence of the BZHRK is only in its unrecognizability. Otherwise, anyone who decides to find these trains will find them.
  4. +8
    14 March 2015 06: 50
    At this point, just a bridge to the Crimea will be built ...
    Crimea -Vladivostok 10 000 km of track, find it ...
  5. +21
    14 March 2015 06: 51
    The most important thing is that Barguzin will not stand out from the total mass of trains. Perhaps the cars with the BZHRK will be disguised as ordinary passenger or postal ones. Try to find one in the vastness of Russia. Here the psi will blow up.
    1. +3
      14 March 2015 07: 16
      Most likely from the section of refrigerated cars (consisting of 5 cars) where you can place personnel and equipment + the rocket itself. On the postal passenger trolleys can’t stand it, pay attention to the aref 2 double freight and moreover everything has already been worked out, why reinvent the wheel
      1. +14
        14 March 2015 07: 33
        That's right, but the new Barguzin BZHRK will be armed with Yars missiles, which are TWO TIMES lighter than the Scalpel missiles that were installed on the Molodets BRZhK. The weight of the old rocket with a launch container is 126 tons. Accordingly, the weight of the new one is about 60 tons. This is visible with a container. Net weight of "Yars" is only 49 tons.
        1. +4
          14 March 2015 07: 59
          Everything is true only these cars with a carrying capacity of 16 to 20 tons, depending on the length - that is, 10 tons per trolley 5 tons per axle. 50 tons + all equipment + counterweights like on a crane so that the car would not turn over at start request and the spinal beam itself is not the same. Perhaps they will create a car from scratch that would look like a postal paper car - I doubt though ..... You just posted a picture hi
          1. +4
            14 March 2015 08: 22
            Quote: Siberia 9444
            that would be like a postal - I doubt though .....

            In the order of delirium:
            1. +6
              14 March 2015 09: 02
              And where did you see that I raved in the comments! What did you want to say with this photo. The fact that it is suitable in size - I will not argue and is included in the usual one. I wrote about the heavy mass that the wagon should be specialized, that in addition to transportation from the wagon, a launch should be carried out and at launch it creates tens of tons of thrust. You are again a passenger wagon. Only such a crew can withstand. And now try to drive a regular or two-story car.
              1. +1
                14 March 2015 09: 34
                Quote: Siberia 9444
                What did you want to say with this photo. The fact that it is suitable in size - I will not argue and is included in the usual one. I wrote about the heavy mass that the wagon should be specialized, that in addition to transportation from the wagon, a launch should be carried out and at launch it creates tens of tons of power

                Based on the platform, you can do how it will look externally not so important. Strengthen it and that’s it.
                For example:
                4-axle platform car for transporting large-diameter pipes. Model 13-1163
                Carrying capacity 63,3 t.
                1. +9
                  14 March 2015 11: 13
                  How can you not understand that when the rocket is placed in an upright position, one ton of the car will press 50 tons, and when launched it will press about 100 tons at the end of the car, maybe there are more counterweights there !!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! Which equalize rocket thrust !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What do you lay out these wagons, these wagons are intended only for transportation. There, the designers fought not how to bring it out, but how to launch the poplar has legs with which it is hung out from the carriage they are not !!! The platform (wagon) must be very rigid and stable, which means heavy !!

                  Even a decrease in the mass of the rocket by 1.5 tons compared to the mine version and the load distribution of the launcher on the eight axles of the car did not allow the designers to fully meet the permissible axial load on the track. To solve this problem, BZHRK used special “unloading” devices that redistribute part of the weight of the car with a launcher to neighboring cars. Read those articles for this and chose a refrigerator as there is a section of 5 cars !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                  1. 0
                    14 March 2015 12: 56
                    Our miracle engineers ... remember, additional wheels, to overcome the ditches, on the BRDM.
                  2. 0
                    17 March 2015 00: 19
                    If such missiles start to start, then no one will care about the safety of the track and rolling stock. The derailed cars will be thrown downhill and the path restored for a short time.
          2. +1
            14 March 2015 08: 29
            Naturally, I just posted a picture showing how the new BZHRK complex POSSIBLE would look like. You will not see the snapshot of the real prototype of the new complex in the open press. And most likely the prototype just does not exist yet.
            1. +21
              14 March 2015 09: 35
              Yes, I forgot to say that there are ten times fewer passenger cars, so they will be hiding in the freight fleet. Pictured Inskaya station of the freight park wink
              1. +6
                14 March 2015 14: 50
                Well, what did you show the photo ...? Kick it on your nose if a big war starts ... from this heap they will not calculate the BZHRK ... they will just hit all such clusters ... BZHRK must constantly ply throughout the country ... in their invulnerability !!! And they, in case of war, do not wake up and hide in clusters of freight trains, their task is to immediately strike back ... Or do you think so ... "It was the fourth year of the war between NATO and Russia .. American satellites it was difficult to calculate the BZHRK of the Strategic Missile Forces of the Russian Federation "... Yes, in the event of a conflict, everything will start and fly in both directions .... everything that can start and fly))) !!!!
                1. +4
                  15 March 2015 06: 45
                  You yourself score, I just showed a freight station with a large number of freight cars that there are many times more of them, read the comments correctly!
              2. 0
                14 March 2015 18: 31
                I can say, it’s not a big secret, there were special ones in the areas of the deployment of such trains at individual stations. Ways for such trains. Well, of course not on such as the Inskaya sorting station. because strikes will be made primarily at technical stations.
                1. 0
                  14 March 2015 21: 09
                  At the time of EBN, Ameri specialists, by personal order, were given the opportunity to remove all the characteristics of the BZHRK movement: frequency, dynamic, etc., which are very different from passenger and simple goods. So there’s no secret in the movement. From the satellite everything can be tracked.
                  1. 0
                    15 March 2015 23: 28
                    According to its characteristics, the new complex will not stand out from freight trains. therefore, it will not be visible from satellites - read the article carefully, and not diagonally!
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          3. Mikhailoff
            0
            14 March 2015 10: 03
            Quote: Siberia 9444
            Everything is true only these cars with a loading capacity of 16 to 20 tons, depending on the length

            Carriage capacity (not including containers) is on average 70 tons. So, for reference.
            1. +1
              14 March 2015 10: 54
              I meant post-paper but not like freight
              1. Mikhailoff
                0
                14 March 2015 13: 29
                What is the difference? The carriage capacity is limited by the load on the bridges and railway tracks and it does not matter if mail is being transported in the car, pipe or BR.
                1. +2
                  14 March 2015 14: 51
                  Absolutely true ... but you did not mention the distribution of load on the canvas !!!
                2. 0
                  14 March 2015 18: 35
                  here the main thing for safety is following so that the ton-axle load does not exceed 22-24 tons. therefore, the car was previously 8-axle.
          4. jjj
            +3
            14 March 2015 10: 36
            Quote: Siberia 9444
            Everything is true only these wagons with carrying capacities from 16 to 20 tons

            For the sake of curiosity, look at the markings on a conventional railway tank. There are 60 tons. And this is an ordinary four-axle tank
            1. 0
              14 March 2015 10: 55
              I meant post-paper but not like freight
            2. 0
              14 March 2015 14: 09
              For the sake of curiosity, look at the markings on a conventional railway tank. There are 60 tons

              Interestingly, what about tanks under 120 tons, with four carts
              1. +1
                14 March 2015 18: 41
                These tanks are 15 tons per axle, as well as regular tanks also 15 tons per axle
            3. 0
              15 March 2015 14: 07
              Quote: jjj
              There are 60 tons.

              60 tons is the carrying capacity. There is also an inscription "container".
          5. +1
            14 March 2015 14: 01
            The wagon will look like a refrigerator with three-axle bogies 18-522A, with access to the MPS.

            The trolley model 18-522A is used in the construction of weighing machines (VPO-3000), snow plows and other important high-loaded machines. The trolley 18-522A has the right to exit on the public track (MPS), checked by the technical audit center of JSC "Russian Railways" and the quality control department of the manufacturer.
            Specifications Values
            Project Number 522.00.000-7СБ
            Specifications -
            Cart weight, t 9,6
            Base, mm 3400
            The flexibility of spring suspension in a vertical plane, m / MN (cm / tf) 0,076 (0,074)
            Design speed, km / h 120
            Diameter of seamless wheels, mm 957
            Type of axis RU1Sh
            The height of the bearing surface of the thrust bearing from the rail head, mm 824
            dimensions
            1. +1
              14 March 2015 18: 47
              These trolleys did not work well in small radiuses of curves, since the rotary part is single, the double has two rotary parts and they easily pass small radii in the curves and the load will not be distributed on 4 axes but on 3 axes
              1. 0
                15 March 2015 13: 55
                Quote: Siberia 9444
                These trolleys performed poorly in small radiuses of curves

                The inscription radius of this trolley is 60m. The minimum radius of the railway curve is 200m. Will we continue or dwell on the fact that the comment is not too correct?
                1. 0
                  15 March 2015 15: 53
                  I studied the PTE and is at work (about 200 meters) Even if this trolley also has an average spike pair (and it is) the rim profile (namely, the ridge is thinner) even if the joint (and it is indeed laid down) backlash ") of these cars is very small for standard cars, they are not needed for cars with a long base (they use a lot of tune), they use double ones (here the axle load is clear) We are talking about repeated passage along curves and their gearbox wear is higher ( and hence the cost of that 4) we do not take missiles bombs. From the beginning, the conversation was about the mass and the load on this cart is higher. I would like to read about 60 meters hi
                  1. 0
                    15 March 2015 16: 40
                    Yes, I forgot if you are talking about careers, then the minimum radii of the curves of career railway tracks are 100-120 meters, the maximum elevations and slopes of the tracks are mainly up to 30%.
            2. 0
              15 March 2015 13: 19
              Quote: epsilon571
              weighing machines (VPO-3000)

              VPO-3000, in fact, a straightening, tamping, and finishing machine with a productivity of 3000 m per hour, designed for straightening railways paths in plan and profile with ballast seal and ballast trim. I’ll surf the Internet, lay out the radius of the inscription of the trolley and the minimum radius of the curve on the train, if not laziness.
          6. Urgal
            0
            15 March 2015 08: 47
            On the old BZHRK, the weight of the rocket was about 105 tons, with a launch container - 126 tons, a wagon 40 t. The length of the rocket is 23,0 m, the length of the launch container is 21 m. According to the standards of the Ministry of Railways, the maximum load on the axis of the car should not exceed 2,5 tons. The car with the launcher is 8-axle. To solve the problem of overloading the launch module, special unloading devices were used to redistribute part of the weight to neighboring cars.
            1. Urgal
              0
              15 March 2015 09: 09
              On the old BZHRK, the weight of the rocket was about 105 tons, with a launch container - 126 tons, a wagon 40 t. The length of the rocket is 23,0 m, the length of the launch container is 21 m. According to the standards of the Ministry of Railways, the maximum load on the axis of the car should not exceed 25 tons. The car with the launcher is 8-axle. To solve the problem of overloading the launch module, special unloading devices were used to redistribute part of the weight to neighboring cars.
            2. 0
              15 March 2015 13: 37
              Quote: urgal
              According to the norms of the Ministry of Railways, the maximum load on the axis of the car should not exceed 2,5 tons.

              2.5 t -? Do not spread misconceptions. The weight of a loaded railway carriage is 80 tons (four-axle) and 160 tons (eight-axle). The estimated axle load of the traction units is 22 tons, and wagons - 20 tons.
              Urgal is a settlement of Zheleznodorzhniks on BAM.
              Although I found the figure 23,25 tons per axle, but this, in my opinion, is a figure for calculating rails, but not rolling stock.
              1. 0
                15 March 2015 14: 22
                Correcting today, the locomotive has a load of 23,5 tons per axle. Used the old baggage of knowledge, I repent. For wagons, too, 23,5.
              2. Urgal
                0
                16 March 2015 10: 27
                Of course, 25tf. - this is the static axle load on the rail, for BZHRK it is adopted no more than 25 tf. On the routes of combat patrols and RPMs, reconstruction was carried out, only heavy types of rails were used, and the sleepers diagram was strengthened.
                The wagon’s container and lifting capacity are different concepts, and together they comprise the gross mass of the wagon. So the gross mass of the main unit BZHRK 15T342, as I recall, 273t.
                Art. Urgal-1 - I served there from 1975-1984. on the construction of the BAM, and on the BZHRK from 1984 to 1990.
          7. 0
            15 March 2015 17: 41
            The wagons themselves are reinforced, and trolleys from freight wagons are almost the same.
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      7. Mikhailoff
        +1
        14 March 2015 09: 58
        Quote: Siberia 9444
        pay attention to aref 2 double freight

        The addition of additional carts instantly distinguished and unmasked the BZHRK from the general stream. The planned BZHRK will have two trolleys, like all cars.
        1. +3
          14 March 2015 10: 56
          Do you cook from a satellite what carts are there.
          1. -1
            14 March 2015 14: 54
            Oh well ... I bought Google maps for 1800 rubles ... there is such a permission, .. even a little scary !!!
            1. 0
              14 March 2015 19: 01
              Trains are in motion (this is the whole feature) or hidden. And at large stations everything merges in the total mass.
            2. 0
              15 March 2015 23: 54
              and straight on the map the train drives and shows the wheels?
          2. 0
            16 March 2015 14: 57
            Why a satellite? Enough access to the ACS of Russian Railways. There, and data from the wheelset counters, and the route of movement - everything is there. A short train of a constant train with excess traction, which appeared on a certain train - and all the secrecy of the BZHRK flies into tartarara.
      8. 0
        16 March 2015 14: 54
        Quote: Siberia 9444
        Most likely from the section of refrigerated cars (consisting of 5 cars) where you can place personnel and equipment + the rocket itself.

        There is a problem - they wrote that new re-sections are not allowed in. Carriers switched to unified refrigerated containers.
        If you need 8-axle chassis, then the only way out is tanks.
    2. +1
      14 March 2015 07: 21
      Clearly. But in my opinion not on a scale. Yars is longer.
  6. +5
    14 March 2015 07: 00
    to have time only! in 3 years you can destroy the galaxy!
  7. -7
    14 March 2015 07: 10
    "... in 1993, under the START-1 treaty, 2 undertook to destroy all RT-10UTTKh missiles within 23 years. And although this treaty, in fact, never entered into legal force, in 2003-2005 all Russian BZHRK were removed from combat duty and disposed of. "

    So Yeltsin put it on, and Putin took under the visor, as they say the touch to the portrait
    1. +1
      14 March 2015 07: 32
      BZHRK Strategic Rocket Forces ...
      Page of pride and glory ... soldier
      The page of cowardice and betrayal ... belay

      How was everything? We don’t know yet. Sometimes you have to exchange the queen for a pawn ...
      Was it worth it? History will show. hi
      1. +2
        14 March 2015 07: 49
        Quote: RU-Officer
        How was everything? We don’t know yet. Sometimes you have to exchange the queen for a pawn ...
        Was it worth it?

        Well, if everything is resumed again, then it turns out that it was not worth it, and in 2005 the Russian Federation did not receive any technologists and Johnson-Vanik seemed to be canceled, but they hitched Magnitsky’s act, it turns out they’ve taken in vain
      2. +5
        14 March 2015 07: 53
        Quote: RU-Officer
        BZHRK Strategic Rocket Forces ...
        Page of pride and glory ...
        The page of cowardice and betrayal ...



        It is true and there was pride and betrayal.


        1. +8
          14 March 2015 08: 25
          May Gorbi and Yeltsin always burn in ADU!
          They humiliated our country and practically brought it to its knees before the West with its "values". Thank God we are now getting up from our knees and unbending our numb back! There will be no mercy to the West! As our grandfathers sang: "We don’t need a bit of someone else’s land, but we will not give up an inch of ours either!" stop
    2. +2
      14 March 2015 08: 10
      RT-23 UTTKh “Molodets” was made to us by Yuzhmash, how do you please update them? In modern realities, it is all the more clear that it is more profitable to create a new complex for a new missile.
    3. Kremlin agent
      -7
      14 March 2015 08: 37
      they both went and go ....... no one cut them bully ..... and I want to add that I haven’t read about it anywhere ....... I saw it myself soldier
      1. 0
        14 March 2015 11: 03
        O_o what is real?
      2. +1
        14 March 2015 13: 25
        In Bryansk, at a military plant, they were cut under the control of our "partners"
        In Bryansk, the first rocket launcher this year was destroyed
        February 17, 2006, Friday, 15:31 - BRYANSK.RU | Comments: 0 | print version
        On the basis of the elimination of strategic weapons in Bryansk on Friday, February 17, the first launcher of a military railway missile complex was destroyed this year.

        According to the Russian Defense Ministry, the US Mission Inspection Team observed the process of dismantling the launcher according to the procedures provided for in the Treaty on the Reduction and Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms.

        - Nine Pentagon representatives inspected the central repair plant in Bryansk, where they destroyed the first BZHRK launcher this year. Under their control, a railway mobile launcher designed to transport, store and launch the RS-22V three-stage solid fuel intercontinental ballistic missiles was eliminated during the week. The installation has fully developed a technical resource - 15 years of operation.

        Since 1989, the Strategic Missile Forces have adopted 36 RS-22V missiles. Last year, nine BZHRK launchers were eliminated at the Bryansk base, in 2004 - 10. In August 2005, the last BZHRK, which was in the combat group of strategic missiles, was removed from combat duty in Kostroma. Three-stage solid-fuel ICBMs are equipped with a multiple warhead with 10 individual guidance warheads. The range of the missile is 10 thousand km, the launch weight is 104,5 tons. The regiment armed with the Scalpel ICBM included a train of three diesel locomotives and 17 wagons, including three launchers. The missiles themselves and their separable warheads of the individual guidance are located at the storage base. They will be disposed of separately according to proven technology at Perm enterprises.
        1. bombardir
          +1
          14 March 2015 17: 51
          Quote: svd-xnumx
          In Bryansk, at a military plant, they were cut under the control of our "partners"
          START II - The Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty was signed by George W. Bush and Boris Yeltsin in January 1993.

          Termination of an agreement:
          The ratification process dragged on until 2000. The Russian deputy corps did not agree to approve the agreement, officially in view of the lack of budget funds for the implementation of the obligation to replace the separated warheads of Russian missiles with monoblock warheads. In fact, the position of the deputies was related to the aggravation of Russian-American disagreements that had begun at that time due to the intervention of NATO countries in Bosnia and plans for NATO eastward expansion, in which Moscow saw a threat to Russian interests. The Russian government as a whole linked the ratification of the START II treaty with the preservation of the ABM treaty, which the US government did not agree with.
          In 2002, the Americans, in accordance with the ABM Treaty, announced their intention to withdraw from it. In response, the Russian government refused to ratify START II.
          Despite the termination of the treaty, the United States unilaterally dismantled its MX-type ICBMs (missile), equipped with numerous warheads. (wiki)

          BZHRK - According to the START-2 treaty (1993), Russia was supposed to remove all RT-23UTTX missiles from service before 2003. At the time of decommissioning, Russia had 3 divisions (Kostroma, Perm, and Krasnoyarsk), a total of 12 trains with 36 launchers. For the disposal of "rocket trains" at the Bryansk repair plant of the Strategic Missile Forces, a special "cutting" line was mounted. Despite Russia's withdrawal from the START-2 treaty in 2002, during 2003-2007 all trains and launchers were disposed ofexcept two demilitarized. (wiki)
      3. 0
        14 March 2015 14: 56
        To the ward agent .. to the ward .. soldier
    4. 0
      15 March 2015 20: 21
      Putin wanted to make a good impression to the west. I thought they would be accepted into a united Europe. Or maybe something else. Find out the details after Putin.
      1. 0
        15 March 2015 23: 35
        Yes, it was just that their production was in Ukraine, mainly, and even then they went under the CIA and the State Department. And nothing lasts forever under the moon!
  8. Urgal
    +10
    14 March 2015 07: 21
    I am proud that I was one of the first to install these complexes in Kostroma and Perm.
    1. +4
      14 March 2015 09: 44
      Quote: Kremlin agent
      they both went and go ....... no one cut them bully ..... and I want to add that I haven’t read about it anywhere ....... I saw it myself soldier

      I don’t know whether they drive or not, but our station "Romashka" in Kostroma wilted ...

      1. +5
        14 March 2015 09: 48
        I’ll add for completeness ...

        1. +1
          14 March 2015 13: 17
          Whatever terrible structure, the whole ones are in good condition, and the equipment can and should be brought in new ultramodern
        2. Urgal
          +1
          14 March 2015 15: 04
          In Perm, the same picture! I think that the old PPD will not be reanimated. Surely they’ll come up with something new.
        3. 0
          15 March 2015 18: 20
          And the Cornflower station too
      2. Petrovi42202
        +2
        14 March 2015 11: 23
        Like our Starry near Perm. Now you can freely ride there. And before it was closed. Trains are not visible there. The station wilted. And a bunch of rocket mines. Some are blown up, some are well preserved. But they do not have rockets, equipment. Only the skeleton.
        1. +1
          14 March 2015 21: 19
          You should have seen how we broke up our PTVC (Chelyabinsk Tank) I was terrified
  9. +7
    14 March 2015 07: 45
    Quote: saag
    "... in 1993, under the START-1 treaty, 2 undertook to destroy all RT-10UTTKh missiles within 23 years. And although this treaty, in fact, never entered into legal force, in 2003-2005 all Russian BZHRK were removed from combat duty and disposed of. "

    So Yeltsin put it on, and Putin took under the visor, as they say the touch to the portrait

    And how we sold 500 tons of enriched Uranus to the United States, worth $ 20 trillion for $ 10 billion, and no one stopped deliveries, we transfer the last 100 tons, this is what is called. It’s called that PUTIN listens too much and believes in our liberals, but they are all mishandled. It’s time for him to nab them all. soldier
    1. +4
      14 March 2015 08: 03
      And as we sold 500 tons of US enriched Uranus worth 20 trillions of dollars for 10 billions of dollars and no one stopped deliveries, we are transferring the last 100 tons, as they say.

      This is called a good deal. The United States has already felt the consequences of this "operation", its nuclear industry has been reduced to a couple of enrichment plants. And they breathe in incense. They simply will not be able to meet the needs of nuclear power plants and the military if supplies from abroad stop.
      1. +1
        14 March 2015 20: 01
        Quote: Wedmak
        They simply will not be able to meet the needs of nuclear power plants and the military if supplies from abroad stop.

        What do you mean by this: that Russia CONSCIOUSLY "filled up" the Americans with uranium in order to destroy their enrichment plants ?! what Somehow hard to believe ..
        And then: 500 tons of uranium, even enriched, is a "drop in the ocean", if I understand correctly: only as fuel for nuclear power plants, and warheads need Plutonium, of which just a couple of drops will come out of these 500 tons.
        1. 0
          15 March 2015 06: 26
          Quote: avia1991
          if I understand correctly:

          There is no way to explain where I am wrong! Instead, a silent minus .. Hey minus signer! Do you understand the question yourself? Or is it not your destiny to THINK? wassat
        2. 0
          16 March 2015 15: 07
          Quote: avia1991
          What do you mean by this: that Russia CONSCIOUSLY "filled up" the Americans with uranium in order to destroy their enrichment plants ?! Somehow hard to believe ..

          And it turned out that way. Due to its low price, our uranium actually knocked out the enrichment link, EMNIP, from the American nuclear chain. Last year, the Yankees complained that due to Russian supplies, the American enrichment plants were forced to make significant reductions and could not find the money for modernization, remaining on level of the last century.
          In fact, with deliveries of uranium, Russia dealt a nuclear blow to the US nuclear industry. laughing
    2. +2
      14 March 2015 08: 07
      Quote: cerbuk6155
      It’s called that PUTIN listens too much and believes in our liberals, but they are all mishandled.

      Come on - "the king is good, the boyars are bad"
      1. +3
        14 March 2015 09: 37
        You won’t believe it, it happens. And it was before us many times, and it will be with us and after us. Here it is necessary either to chop heads or to be friends with liberals, though in the end they will sell you anyway. soldier
        1. +5
          14 March 2015 18: 37
          Quote: cerbuk6155
          You will not believe-

          Of course I won’t believe it.

          Quote: cerbuk6155
          Sometimes it happens. And it was before us many times, and it will be with us and after us.

          A concrete example will prove your case. wink.... May be...

          Quote: cerbuk6155
          Here it’s necessary either to chop heads or to be friends with liberals,

          So Putin is still friends with the liberals, since "he doesn't cut his head"?
          Well, tell me who is your friend and I will say .... that you are good, but weak-minded ?, contacted with a bad company?

          Kindergarten, pants on the strap ... by God ...
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    3. 0
      14 March 2015 09: 54
      About how URAN was sold and not only about this, look in the films of Andrei Karaulov "Unknown Putin". A good film you will not regret if you take the time to watch.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiClfrvLupg
      1. 0
        15 March 2015 23: 41
        Uranium is nonsense; strategic stocks of rare-earth metals used in the manufacture of precision weapons and in spacecraft were sold. And everything is cheap, but the truth is the business of the EBN team!
    4. bombardir
      +9
      14 March 2015 18: 02
      Quote: cerbuk6155
      It’s called that PUTIN listens too much and believes in our liberals, but they are all mishandled. It’s time for him to nab them all. soldier
      Wrong.

      If a 15-year-old boy listens to a bad uncle and does poorly - this indicates that the guy fell under bad influence.
      But when a mature adult man, moreover, it seems like the most influential politician, listens to bad uncles and does poorly - this suggests that he listens to them because he is the same, because he is no different from these bad uncles.
    5. 0
      14 March 2015 18: 28
      Quote: cerbuk6155
      It’s called that PUTIN listens too much and believes in our liberals, but they are all mishandled.

      No, it means THAT YOU listen to Putin too much and believe the pro-Putin propagandists. They are all sent, yeah. Putin himself and mishandled. Read the Constitution of the Russian Federation - THE PRESIDENT DETERMINES THE POLICY, THE PRESIDENT APPOINTS the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, his deputies, federal ministers.

      Quote: cerbuk6155
      It’s time for him to nab them all.

      What for?! After all, do you support him? So support HIS policy, which is carried out by HIS appointees.
      1. 0
        15 March 2015 23: 44
        Politics must be changed smoothly, otherwise Gorbach and EBN have changed so much that they barely come to their senses! Everything has its time, but for now it is necessary to take the economy off the rails of the liberal model and monetarism!
        And first of all, amend the Constitution of the Russian Federation to serve the people of the Russian Federation, and not the interests of the IMF and the WTO!
      2. +1
        16 March 2015 00: 01
        but how, with both hands!
    6. 0
      15 March 2015 11: 29
      Quote: cerbuk6155
      Quote: saag
      "... in 1993, under the START-1 treaty, 2 undertook to destroy all RT-10UTTKh missiles within 23 years. And although this treaty, in fact, never entered into legal force, in 2003-2005 all Russian BZHRK were removed from combat duty and disposed of. "

      So Yeltsin put it on, and Putin took under the visor, as they say the touch to the portrait

      And how we sold 500 tons of enriched Uranus to the United States, worth $ 20 trillion for $ 10 billion, and no one stopped deliveries, we transfer the last 100 tons, this is what is called. It’s called that PUTIN listens too much and believes in our liberals, but they are all mishandled. It’s time for him to nab them all. soldier

      We just don’t know all the reasons why this was done. But the fact is that Russia is now in a different state, thanks to Putin. Now there will be other missiles, not everything is as bad as it might seem.
  10. wanderer
    +2
    14 March 2015 08: 01
    Be and BZHRK and Yarsam etc.!!!! ....... time does not wait, too little is left.
  11. +4
    14 March 2015 08: 06
    How much? I read somewhere that the operation of the former BZHRK was very difficult purely for technological reasons, it wore out terribly. Therefore, using that experience, we realized what the new complex should look like. And judging by the descriptions, he should succeed
    1. +2
      14 March 2015 09: 00
      As far as I remember, there was a need for a special, reinforced embankment under the canvas. Well, the train schedule flew to hell when the "letter" passed.
      1. +6
        14 March 2015 11: 14
        Quote: Landwarrior
        As far as I remember, there was a need for a special, reinforced embankment under the canvas. Well, the train schedule flew to hell when the "letter" passed.

        By the end of the 80's railway track along the entire network of roads where patrols of the BZHRK were reinforced, wooden sleepers were also replaced with concrete sleepers. A letter train is not necessarily a BZHRK.
      2. +4
        14 March 2015 13: 26
        Not "letter", but "milky". And the timetable for passenger and freight trains did not fly anywhere, everything was worked out.
        1. 0
          15 March 2015 23: 47
          Not everywhere, everything was good, there were incidents with the gathering of goods after the passage of the BZHRK. Apparently not everywhere responsibly prepared the canvas, and even then had to check and strengthen!
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      4. 0
        14 March 2015 14: 51
        Yeah, got it. Thank. I knew about BZHRK only from Batin's words.
  12. +1
    14 March 2015 08: 21
    Quote: urgal
    I am proud that I was one of the first to install these complexes in Kostroma and Perm.

    Kostroma region, station Camomile. And how many mushrooms were there.
  13. +12
    14 March 2015 08: 31
    "... The Americans did everything possible to destroy them. However, the Russians did not surrender, and in a few years a new generation of BZHRK - Barguzin missile systems will be released into the vastness of our country ...":
    1. 0
      14 March 2015 10: 30
      And on each warhead draw a stylized image of the male genital organ in an excited state, so that every warhead would have America lol
      After all, they wrote on the shells in the Second World War "death to a fascist"! Well, we will have today's enemies with today's slogans soldier bully
  14. +1
    14 March 2015 08: 36
    The first new rocket train should be put into trial operation in 2018.

    Well, let's hope that until this time we will not be dragged into a global military conflict .. although, if this happens, it will not be very important whether we have such trains or not.
    1. +2
      14 March 2015 15: 09
      Vooot understands at least one crux of the matter ... This train does not need super secrecy, the main thing is that they will travel across the wide expanses of the country, it is almost impossible to instantly detect them on combat duty !!!! The main SPRN ... and an instant retaliatory strike !!! ! No one will catch these trains for months, it makes no sense ... the bzhrk will be shot twenty minutes after giving the order for a retaliatory strike !!!!
      1. +1
        14 March 2015 19: 49
        Quote: igorka357
        bzhrk shoot twenty minutes after giving the order for a retaliatory strike !!!!

        What `s next?! We will plant potatoes in radioactive ashes, comforting ourselves with thought, "how are we them!" ?? I don’t think anyone is dreaming of such a finale. Any similar complex, like any other NEW weapon, only makes sense as a deterrent. If you have to apply it .. then there will be no sense in anything.
        1. 0
          15 March 2015 23: 52
          There will be only one meaning - the survivors will know that it is better to eat bananas on their palm than to cut strangers!
        2. +1
          16 March 2015 00: 05
          Treat it like a surgeon's tool ... The tumor has taken over the body (earth) with one stroke of the "scalpel" ... and then, as the body has enough strength to get out.
          1. 0
            16 March 2015 07: 51
            Quote: Gemini
            .The tumor invaded the body (ground) with one stroke of the "scalpel".

            laughing !! More like not a scalpel, but an "ax in the neck"! And then just how lucky: either he will manage to survive, or .. "the tumor has won .." wassat
            hi
    2. 0
      15 March 2015 23: 50
      The GDP in every possible way pulls this moment, and the Anglo-Saxons are already unbearable how it is necessary to trap the Russian Federation! They understand that a new crisis can not leave stone to stone from their economy!
  15. +3
    14 March 2015 09: 02
    BZHRK need to revive. The country's defense should be comprehensive. With the attraction of all funds.
  16. 0
    14 March 2015 09: 11
    Faster and faster to put them into operation! Anglo-Saxons are becoming impudent by leaps and bounds - you need a 1000 percent guaranteed FORWARD and not retaliatory strike!
    1. +2
      14 March 2015 15: 12
      How do you imagine a preemptive strike? Think at all before you write !!!! Russia has a military doctrine that deflects defense !!! You propose to launch a missile strike first ... belay Sorry, but you are on the road .... Then the truth will not be on our side !!!!
      1. 0
        15 March 2015 23: 54
        we have no money to preemptive! Bye.
      2. 0
        16 March 2015 00: 06
        Well, you yourself understand that there will be nothing left for the truth to write down for the posterity
    2. 0
      16 March 2015 00: 05
      not well it's too much
  17. +3
    14 March 2015 09: 21
    There is a nuclear shield, and BZHRK as a steel edging of this shield. For more security.
  18. +4
    14 March 2015 09: 28
    Interceptor missiles of the European missile defense system, the continental US missile defense system and Aegis significantly narrow the sector in which our ICBMs can be launched. Railway complexes, having great mobility, at the necessary time can launch missiles in sectors in which their ICBMs will not be intercepted by NATO missiles. In my opinion, this is the main advantage of such complexes.
    1. 0
      14 March 2015 15: 15
      This is what the Americans told you about their Europro ..)))? Who did she shoot down the Europro and where? Ractors are constantly putting BBs on the landfills ... Strategic Missile Forces are used in practice .... and missile defense is purely theory .. no more .. hi
    2. 0
      15 March 2015 23: 57
      In the conditions of the enemy doctrine of "lightning-fast global strike" only layered air defense and mobile missile systems (BZHRK, BRL, etc.) serve as a deterrent!
  19. -3
    14 March 2015 09: 29
    Guys, have you really cut everything?
    I think that at least one BZHRK Putin left in the nest egg.
    And he rides through the expanses of Russia
    1. Urgal
      0
      15 March 2015 09: 23
      No, not all. One left. It is in the museum railway transport with a raised TPK at Warsaw Station in St. Petersburg!
    2. 0
      15 March 2015 23: 58
      Yes, there is one - it’s standing in a museum, in my opinion in Kolomna! I don’t remember exactly where, sorry!
  20. +2
    14 March 2015 09: 47
    ... we are peaceful people
    But our armored train
    With a charge of 0,6 megatons!
  21. +2
    14 March 2015 09: 52
    He studied BZHRK at school. At the sight of that technique he always felt awe and pride in his country! Scalpel has one wolfpam steering wheel of the first stage (remember) equal to the annual production of light bulbs of the Soviet industry ...
  22. 0
    14 March 2015 09: 53
    You give more missiles - elusive and nimble !!! drinks
  23. +3
    14 March 2015 10: 26
    The Gorbato-Yeltsin times of ruling the Country are akin to the destruction of Russia itself, the whole foreign country danced with joy on the bones, what was destroyed by the traitors of the motherland for the sake of gratitude from the "democratic" regimes. They destroyed the launching shafts, although the Americans left them, I remember how they were cutting tanks in the taiga that had just left the assembly line. It is difficult to describe everything that happened, especially since not everything is allowed to go public. The fact is that hundreds of billions (if not more) were destroyed for nothing, and together with it Russia was brought to its knees in front of NATO shit. But now their drool is flying in different directions, because of the anger that they are no longer such "literate" in anything. This suggests that Russia is to be a Great Power, the main thing is to drive liberals from everywhere, especially since it is connected with the military-industrial complex.
  24. +3
    14 March 2015 10: 54
    Quote: Siberia 9444
    Everything is true only these cars with a carrying capacity of 16 to 20 tons, depending on the length - that is, 10 tons per trolley 5 tons per axle. 50 tons + all equipment + counterweights like on a crane so that the car would not turn over at start request and the spinal beam itself is not the same. Perhaps they will create a car from scratch that would look like a postal paper car - I doubt though ..... You just posted a picture hi

    In fact, freight cars in Russia with a carrying capacity of 60-72 tons. (There are more lifting ones). They will make "false windows" and forward. They may well accept a "Barguzin", with additional equipment weighing 60-70 tons. Sorry for the "Well done", it is necessary to revive the BZHRK Russian production, weapons are good. soldier hi
  25. -2
    14 March 2015 10: 55
    I have a question: why is the "cruise missiles" direction not developed in Russia? No, there is of course, but with the Tomahawks, their performance characteristics + equipping US ships & submarines cannot be compared, and today the effectiveness of the massive use of high-precision missiles with a range of more than 1000 km has been proven.
    1. +2
      14 March 2015 15: 08
      Well, you shouldn't be so. According to the performance characteristics of the Kyrgyz Republic, Russia is not only not inferior, but often, and surpasses the notorious "Axes". In particular, supersonic anti-ship missiles.
      Another thing is that we are far behind the states in quantitative terms. However, judging by how frequent "high officials" are to the missile manufacturers, the case has clearly moved off the ground.
    2. 0
      14 March 2015 15: 19
      Where is it proven ...)))? In the Zambezi ... in the Ivory Coast ... in mambotumbabania ....). Where is the breakthrough of the strongest air defense cruise missiles proven ....))) huh?
  26. +1
    14 March 2015 11: 08
    Quote: rus174
    Guys, have you really cut everything?
    I think that at least one BZHRK Putin left in the nest egg.
    And he rides through the expanses of Russia

    Jva stayed for sure, the rest, I don’t know
  27. +4
    14 March 2015 11: 35
    "For example, Molodets was hauled by three DM62 diesel locomotives (a special modification of the serial M62 diesel locomotive) with a total capacity of 6 thousand hp. And the capacity of one current mainline freight two-section diesel locomotive 2TE25A Vityaz, which is serially produced by Transmashholding, is 6 hp. . "...

    It was not about the power ... The BZHRK had THREE launchers ... So for each of them one diesel locomotive was intended ... That is, the secrecy increased and the possibility of defeat decreased, since not only was there 1000 -1500 km left, so at some point I also "fled" into three parts ...
    1. Urgal
      0
      15 March 2015 09: 34
      Quite right, he could run into three separate APUs. Therefore, there were three "DIMKI".
      1. 0
        16 March 2015 00: 10
        in short, you need to make a locomotive under the guise of a car, run only if you need to scatter so that it does not flood with heat.
  28. +1
    14 March 2015 11: 52
    There is one page in the history of the confrontation between Soviet / Russian and American engineering military schools, which still causes a feeling ... of the deepest shock of the actions of politicians in the 90s of the last century.

    The more such facts become known, the more often the idea that you cannot betray your country only for money is visited, only a person who hates his country can do that.
    Thank God that now another is at the helm!
    1. +5
      14 March 2015 15: 15
      Although "at the helm" and different, but the environment, often remained the same. And this is not good.
  29. 0
    14 March 2015 12: 21
    Quote: Siberia 9444
    Yes, I forgot to say that there are ten times fewer passenger cars, so they will be hiding in the freight fleet. Pictured Inskaya station of the freight park

    and who said about the passengers ?????
  30. 0
    14 March 2015 13: 44
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzoyMoHQhT8
  31. +3
    14 March 2015 14: 12
    about BZHRK barguzin
    1. 0
      16 March 2015 00: 13
      What does this video warp like in a flexible mirror?
    2. Leonidych
      0
      16 March 2015 10: 24
      Who will put the curls in power? he’s not even allowed to go to general sartir ...
  32. +2
    14 March 2015 14: 20
    Quote: avvg
    We are looking forward to our updated BZHRK, another weighty "argument" in a conversation with the West at the head of Washington!

    What's the beautiful!!! These are our big-headed guys! Russia is very lucky that they did not pass the exam !!!
  33. -4
    14 March 2015 17: 59
    I read it, ofigel! Again Urya-patriotism and have no analogues. Not so long ago there was an article about similar US maid in systems. And then again "For the first time in the world!"
  34. +2
    14 March 2015 18: 03
    great news. the words of the song: "we are peaceful people, but our armored train is on the side track" acquire a new meaning.
  35. 0
    14 March 2015 19: 10
    It is a pity that there are few warheads. Still need more. 8-10 pieces would be good. Or it would be necessary to increase the number of missiles in the train by 2 times.
  36. Tribuns
    0
    14 March 2015 20: 00
    Messages of this kind fill with pride the souls of Russian patriots, dreaming of the revival of the country's former power ... By the way, in Voennoye Obozreniye, this is not the first message about the decision of the Russian leadership to recreate the Barguzin railroad missile complex as a weapon of retaliation for NATO members, who were the first in the world to create, but did not launch their own railroad missiles based on the MinutemanI rocket ... [see: http://topwar.ru/66838-proekt-mobile-minuteman-bzhrk-po-ame..16.01.15]
  37. +1
    14 March 2015 20: 37
    As they say: "this business (recreating a new generation BZHRK) is pleasant even for a cat," but liberals like Kudrin are long overdue for the dustbin of history, and even better, send the tundra to weed (why? Homeland on the face.)
  38. 0
    14 March 2015 21: 15
    http://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/ausland/krisen/id_73191592/nemzow-tochter-bei
    -guenther-jauch-diktatur-in-russland-.html On a German news site, Nemtsov’s daughter organized a poll - is there a dictatorship in Russia ... people, let’s help ... the correct answer is NEIN
    1. 0
      15 March 2015 17: 52
      Already done.
  39. 0
    14 March 2015 21: 17
    It is curious that the BZHRK moved forward three locomotives M62, which were produced at the Lugansk diesel locomotive plant. Like this.
    1. 0
      15 March 2015 06: 37
      Quote: noncombant
      which were produced at the Lugansk diesel locomotive plant. Like this.

      ... and who is now ready to produce diesel locomotives for the needs of Russia! How to produce rolls for rolling mills of Russian metallurgical plants in New Russia! good
  40. -5
    14 March 2015 23: 41
    long-range cruise missiles can be shoved into the mine, which is much more effective than ballistic missiles.
    1. +2
      15 March 2015 06: 40
      Quote: red rocket
      long-range cruise missiles in the mine

      This is where you nadybal KR with a range of 10-12 thousand?!
      By the way, long-range ballistas are also trying to move to mobile installations: the probability of defeat is significantly reduced, and it is cheaper. The mines are the "last century"! wink
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  42. 0
    15 March 2015 14: 02
    At first glance, the BZHRK is really "elusive avengers". In fact, everything is not so rosy, tk. There are already technologies, including radar, to detect and identify BZHRK from satellites against the background of hundreds of other trains similar to BZHRK.
    This has already been written more than once, including during the discussion of this topic on the pages of VO. In general, the idea that it is now possible to carry someone thread on the chaff thought more than harmful. Yes, the appearance of new types of weapons forces the opponent to fork out for the creation of appropriate methods and means of counteraction, but they are created and sometimes even faster than the weapons themselves are created which they must resist.
    1. 0
      16 March 2015 00: 04
      There were old ones - their wagons were 2 times larger, and these in all respects do not differ from ordinary refrigerators!
      1. 0
        16 March 2015 04: 38
        There are a lot of other characteristics (for example, the aggregate portrait of the target in different wavelengths (radar, optical, infrared, etc.) For example, it has long been known that if a target containing rotating and vibrating units is irradiated, then the radar signal reflected from the target will be modulated by low-frequency components of the spectrum of these moving and And if these low-frequency components are isolated on the receiving side of the radar, which is done relatively simply), then it is quite possible to distinguish this target against the background of hundreds of others by its "sound" portrait. He himself took part in the development of such equipment in the mid-80s and became convinced that this method works quite successfully.
        And if there is a database for such portraits, you can not only identify the type of target (for example, that the target is not an ordinary freight train but a BZHRK), but even determine which one of the BZHRK is detected at a given time. Taking into account the fact that the technologies for recognizing targets by their "portraits" have advanced a lot over the past 20-30 years, it is safe to say that it is unlikely that it will be possible to reliably mask the BZHRK
  43. +1
    15 March 2015 14: 41
    good news, you can even drink for it !!!
  44. Turnek
    0
    15 March 2015 15: 53
    Barguzin blew - No state!
  45. 0
    15 March 2015 17: 03
    Given the fact that tactics + technology BZHRK worked out several decades ago - the success of the new generation of BZHRK is obvious.
    Forward, fellow designers of the Design Bureau of St. Petersburg and Moscow fellow
  46. 0
    15 March 2015 17: 28
    Well, fine! Now they, together with unpaved ones, will drive any potential adversary crazy !!! angry soldier
  47. 0
    15 March 2015 21: 14
    Lord, it really happened !!!
  48. +1
    16 March 2015 05: 16
    I read comments and have fun. Such a feeling, then this is an internal chat of KB, in which trains are developed.))
    At the expense of Gorbi and other things. Would you entrust the production of such a complex to a foreign power? The rocket was made in Ukraine. And she immediately fell under the States, giving them all the secrets. Remember in the 2013 year a series of accidents on the railway, where wheeled trolleys released into Ukraine turned out to be guilty? So it may not have made sense to fight for these complexes. Maybe we were bargaining at that time for the commissioning of these complexes ... And many new things are expected for the new complexes, yes.
  49. 0
    16 March 2015 08: 27
    That's the paradox, I read about the creation of a new weapon, but at the same time I understand on 100% that this is another support for the World.
  50. 0
    16 March 2015 08: 55
    Three diesel locomotives allowed the train to disperse into 3 independent divisions with one launcher in each
  51. 0
    16 March 2015 09: 19
    On the poster Everything I wanted to say about many of the comments to this article...
  52. 0
    16 March 2015 09: 58
    We need "argument" urgently and in large quantities!
  53. Leonidych
    0
    16 March 2015 10: 16
    When will the hunchbacked foamy Judas die?! I’ll celebrate for a month, tear a dozen button accordions....
  54. MGB
    0
    16 March 2015 10: 49
    in 2003-2005, all Russian BZHRKs were removed from combat duty and disposed of.
    This surprised me. I thought they did this kind of stuff in the 90s.
  55. 0
    16 March 2015 10: 57
    It's high time these trains plowed the endless expanses of Great Russia!!!
  56. 0
    16 March 2015 11: 11
    Elusive Avengers
    Our polite engines.smile
  57. 0
    16 March 2015 14: 01
    With whom and how will we fight? Who will attack and how?
    Workers, sellers, thieves and prostitutes against the Ali-Garhs with seven in London and New York?
    Is anyone interested in war?
    Rather, there is a huge interest in the empty production of weapons and the stupid waste of budget money, under the guise of patriotism and the unity of the people.
    It’s so cool to write about patriotism and sit in London or just over the hill on billions of dollars and euros. It’s even cooler that these fortunes are made here at the expense of the meager salaries and pensions of workers, teachers, scientists, doctors, etc., etc. Let them sit on starvation rations, proud of Rus' and its weapons. At the expense of the budget, which is exported in the form of resources and weapons. We are almost leaders both there and there.
    Yes, of course, earlier this war made sense! Ideology, different systems, socialism-capitalism, because everything in the country belonged to the people in one way or another, you can’t take it out, you can’t sell it.
    Well, now do these rich servants of the market, who have plundered the country, really have any interest in destroying their own fortunes in Russia? Of course not!
    Well, the number of people, these empty eaters, should be reduced! Let's slip them a pill about the fact that for the sake of the country they must make any sacrifices! Here they go! They are used to this!
  58. 0
    16 March 2015 14: 11
    Such complexes are definitely needed! Whatever one may say, mobile systems are a guarantee of Russia!!! What is railway and what is ground PU!!!
  59. 0
    16 March 2015 14: 15
    Offhand

    A standard-sized transport car for a rocket should generally be much cheaper than the option with a huge tractor. Smooth running, absence of strong vibrations and shaking - this also reduces the technological requirements for the TPK (transport and launch container and missile), which again reduces the overall cost of the complex. And the lightness of the "Yars", as indicated in the article, allows you to do without the expensive development of special long cars, reinforced bogies, preparation and strengthening of railway tracks, that is, use the current infrastructure without any modifications, immediately, as is, which in its own way The queue also reduces the cost of developing the complex as a whole. And it will be developed.

    By the way, according to rumors, for several years now, freight trains with attached Klub-K container complexes on standard cargo platforms have been running back and forth along border routes.
  60. 0
    16 March 2015 15: 28
    Let us remember these "heroes" and go to their graves![/ Quote]

    The ribbon on the “order” should be like this...
  61. 0
    16 March 2015 20: 23
    ...especially smiled * Barguzinsky Arctic fox *... laughing
  62. wclc2
    0
    13 May 2015 17: 00
    Great article! Well done author! Inspiring! Thanks to the rest for the photos, videos and other additions. On the Topwar website, many articles without comments are left unfinished))))