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Gantrak - terrible improvisation in non-standard conditions

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Gantrak - terrible improvisation in non-standard conditions



Many people had to see in films, especially telling about the post-apocalyptic world, gantracs - coarse and not too elegant fighting vehicles, created from ordinary cars or trucks. Well, in such a situation, people least of all think about how beautiful their means of transportation will look. Therefore, the car is hung as much as possible iron that can stop a bullet or fragments from a nearby exploding grenade. Of course, these “Kulibins” do not forget about the armament - the heavy machine gun of the 7,62 caliber mm perfectly complements the picture, turning this fortress for traveling into a dangerous enemy. Yes, even the old T-34 or the first models of the BTRs are much more reliable and powerful means of transportation. Meeting with them will be the last adventure in life for Gantrak and his crew. Yet against the enemy’s infantry, even equipped with good body armor (up to the 5 level of security) and simple cars, gantracs are great weapons.

What are the advantages of these ugly and seemingly cumbersome cars?

Of course, this is generally available. If an armored personnel carrier or infantry fighting vehicle is quite difficult to get, then it is relatively easy to get an ordinary SUV (in Russia, of course, it is UAZ) or a truck (ZIL, KAMAZ, Ural). After that, the maximum vehicle protection gain is simply carried out. After all, even a PM bullet fired at a short distance easily punches the steel of the hull of any of these vehicles. What can we say about all of the AK-47 or PC, successfully launched at a distance of up to three hundred meters - it will simply turn the car into a mass grave for the entire crew. But if you strengthen it with ordinary steel, which can be mined by disassembling a couple of cars, you can turn the car into a real fortress. Ideally, you can simply weld thick (from 5 millimeters) sheets of iron into the cabin, leaving only narrow loopholes for viewing, in order to greatly increase the security of the gantrack crew. Of course, you should not forget about the engine - it should be carefully protected by welding additional sheets of steel. Alas, this will not give an absolute guarantee of security, the 7,62 machine gun line still punches this armor at a considerable distance, and the projectile from the Fly will blow the car to shreds. But nevertheless security will significantly increase, and it will be possible to embark on a journey.





It would be nice to provide gantracs and weapons to be able to effectively fight off the attack of the enemy. The car is best supplemented with space for installing a machine gun - most likely on the roof. If it is necessary to strengthen something more solid - KamAZ or the Urals, then in a steel body reinforced with sheets it is quite possible to install either a cliff or a small-caliber cannon. And it will be a really dangerous enemy, capable, albeit not on an equal footing, but still engaging in battle with many models of armored personnel carriers.

It is also important that, unlike armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, the dumbbell will be surprisingly economical. Still, the lightest models of armored personnel carriers consume at least 50 liters of fuel per hundred kilometers. What can we say about Tanks! But the gantraku made on the basis of KamAZ will be more than thirty-five liters of fuel per hundred kilometers. And this is with the already solid fortification, which weighs hundreds of kilograms, and maybe even with extra load.
I must say that although Gantracks most people are accustomed to seeing only in films, in reality they also find definite application.

For example, the first Russian gantraks began to gather in Afghanistan. Initially, most car drivers, who value their own lives and know how to think with their heads, simply put bullet-proof vests on the doors. It really saved a lot of lives. Later it was decided to move on - for real cars and even trucks, real “lats” were created, which were sometimes created from scrap materials and sometimes from high-quality armor. Instead of windows, tiny loopholes of several palms were left, the bodies often turned into real metal boxes, and the best sheets of steel were used to protect the cabin. As a result, additional armor was created, which weighed up to 500 kilogram. Yes, even this was not enough to completely protect the car, its drivers and passengers. But after all, the tank can be knocked down. But the created armor repeatedly reduced the number of dead people. At least hundreds of young boys, soldiers and wise officers, were saved thanks to this method.

In the body of the truck was installed serious weapons - from large-caliber machine guns "Cliff" to automatic small-caliber "ZUshek." Sometimes even the weapons shot down from shot down BMPs were used - KPT and KPVT. So simple trucks turned into a truly terrible weapon that could not only withstand a serious battle, but also gain the upper hand.







Only much later in the Institute began to develop similar improvements for trucks. So there were cars like "Ural-4320-31". This is really a serious opponent, whose armor weighs more than two tons. But she is able to protect him from an AK-47 shot from almost any distance, and at a distance of over two hundred meters she also stops an armor-piercing bullet fired from the SVD. High-quality eight-millimeter armor and glass with a thickness of 33 of a millimeter really reliably protect both the driver and passengers of this mighty gantrak.


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  1. T-100
    T-100 26 October 2013 09: 05 New
    12
    Now I know what to call VAZ cars - Gontraki))))
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 26 October 2013 09: 49 New
      +7
      no-no-no! Not "gong-trucks", but "go-notracks"
      1. OffenroR
        OffenroR 27 October 2013 23: 07 New
        -2
        I liked the article ... this information will help to survive in the "post-apocalyptic" world ... if the United States does not stop "boggling" and twisting nuclear "pipette" ... laughing
  2. bask
    bask 26 October 2013 09: 09 New
    +6
    ""Gantrak - terrible improvisation in non-standard conditions""
    I already fasted and asked who fought in Chechnya, why ours didn’t strengthen their unarmored Urals and KamAZs with steel sheets.
    The metal in Chechnya was in bulk.
    So they drove in open bodies with a maximum of reinforced sandbags and logs-WHY DIDN’T.
    Two sheets of 5 mm steel, spaced 10 mm apart, poured with a cement mortar, already bulletproof composite armor.
    the Americans welded on their trucks, so much that the chassis could not stand it.
    1. Field
      Field 26 October 2013 09: 53 New
      +5
      Our Kamaz trucks were "armored" with logs smile
      And the carriers of the armor were hung instead of the side window, although there was little sense ...
      1. catapractic
        catapractic 26 October 2013 11: 13 New
        +4
        Blanching with logs and sacks has been known since the Boer War
      2. bask
        bask 26 October 2013 11: 20 New
        +7
        Quote: Field
        Our Kamaz trucks were "armored" with logs
        And the carriers of the armor were hung instead of the side window, although there was little sense.

        _______________________
    2. MAG
      MAG 26 October 2013 12: 52 New
      +2
      I already once wrote how our cars were "finished". A sheet 2 or 3 was put into the body, then a layer of sand and again a sheet on the sides of the logs, but from the inside and the awning was made from the outside along the sides, the top was not tilted up to the end (so that if someone is lucky, they just threw it out). Why the question was not strengthened in all the videos of the militants - 90% of explosions and the iron on the sides will not help!
    3. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 27 October 2013 13: 38 New
      +5
      Quote: bask
      why ours didn’t strengthen their unarmored Urals and KamAZs with steel sheets.

      Greetings, Andrew.

      After all, it was different ...
      And reinforced with sleepers and metal.
      After all, units in the Czechs were on the principle of rotation with their own equipment.
      Those. plowed a business trip - home.
      And for a short time to digest a combat machine ... you know?
      One or two is necessary, but not all. How then to serve them, for example, in the Urals or Siberia?

      But the commandant’s cars were on an ongoing basis, they hung and welded anything, they were real monsters.

      And drill, serial cars went like this, in a simple way:
      1. bask
        bask 27 October 2013 14: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: Aleks tv
        And for a short time to digest a combat machine ... you know?
        One or two is necessary, but not all. How then to serve them, for example, in the Urals or Siberia?

        Thanks Lesh, now everything is clear.
        Just no one did not allow. How to rent a converted-digested truck ...
        In war, all equipment must be armored.
        But this is only in theory.
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 27 October 2013 14: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: bask
          In war, all equipment must be armored.
          But this is only in theory.

          Eheh ................................................. ................
      2. MAG
        MAG 27 October 2013 15: 42 New
        +3
        We have a sea of ​​technology left there at the conclusion. 22 brigade only at our outpost 5 armored personnel carrier 70 was left because they weren’t underway and the engines were drunk))))) I would also like to note that the Czechs did not touch large columns like the combat units, but undermined and fired at the household units. Because from the latter they will not receive lyuli and even the partisan tactics itself obliges to beat where weak and where weak.
  3. Echo
    Echo 26 October 2013 09: 28 New
    +6
    Do I alone have this article associated with this musical theme?


    Oh, how would you like to add to this article the second part, concerning the masking of all these techniques and gantracks, moreover, masking in all ranges, including thermal, using exclusively improvised means.
    1. bask
      bask 26 October 2013 10: 06 New
      +4
      Quote: Echo
      Do I alone have this article associated with this musical theme?

      Moose theme is excellent, sorry the car is not visible.
      "" "On the third day of the invasion of Iraq, the transport convoy of the 507th repair company of the US Army came under attack. The ambush attack was lightning-fast, and the convoy of 18 trucks was completely destroyed: of the 33 troops traveling in the convoy, 11 were killed, 9 were wounded, 7 were taken prisoner. ”The failure was predetermined by the lack of armor and heavy weapons on the convoy vehicles" "
      http://www.popmech.ru/article/9766-bronya-krepka-gantraki-nashi-byistryi/

      How many columns in this way were destroyed in Chechnya (also betrayal of command).
      Dumbbell based on the American military truck M939A2-2004 year Iraq.

      On the basis of the M1075 PLS is a variant with a roof. (Yankers like comfort however).
      1. catapractic
        catapractic 26 October 2013 11: 10 New
        +1
        why does the sun not bake ...
  4. lelikas
    lelikas 26 October 2013 09: 58 New
    +2
    Although the article is useful, there is a lot of "water" and very few pictures.
  5. lelikas
    lelikas 26 October 2013 10: 08 New
    +7
    Domestic manufacturers.

    1. Siberian
      Siberian 26 October 2013 10: 41 New
      +1
      As they say, the need for inventions is cunning. But mobile.
      1. bask
        bask 26 October 2013 11: 15 New
        +3
        Quote: lelikas
        Domestic manufacturers.

        On our barely digging. And that mainly in the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
        Army homemade, extremely rare.
        Angola, 1987. Kraz-255 with the Zu-23-2.
        1. bask
          bask 26 October 2013 11: 18 New
          +3
          Army development, 1st Chechen.
          1. loft79
            loft79 26 October 2013 13: 26 New
            +4
            KrAZ-255 in Cuba. 2011 It seems like a D-30.
        2. loft79
          loft79 26 October 2013 13: 21 New
          +2
          In addition. hi
          Angola. District r. Lomba. Operation "Zebra" 1989
          1. bask
            bask 26 October 2013 16: 04 New
            +2
            Quote: loft79
            Angola. District r. Lomba. Operation "Zebra" 1989

            In addition. hi
            Operation Zebra, December 1989 Ural with a ZU-23-2 in the turret.
  6. ramin_serg
    ramin_serg 26 October 2013 10: 14 New
    +5
    Any equipment, even the Cossack in skilled hands + good weapons can be tamed into successful military equipment, naturally, if it is not possible to provide standard equipment
    1. loft79
      loft79 27 October 2013 04: 54 New
      11
      Cossack? Well let it be Cossack smile
  7. lelikas
    lelikas 26 October 2013 10: 15 New
    +3
    Although they appeared long before Vietnam.
  8. catapractic
    catapractic 26 October 2013 11: 08 New
    +3
    mad Max laughing
  9. kav669
    kav669 26 October 2013 11: 29 New
    +1
    Comfortable and secure cars.
  10. ramsi
    ramsi 26 October 2013 11: 35 New
    0
    But the special forces shields, for quick tuning, are expensive?
  11. bask
    bask 26 October 2013 12: 20 New
    11
    "" "2-bridge" Ural "with a YaMZ engine. Our technicians from the battalion platoon of maintenance and repair, welded on one more body, sheathed the interior with plywood 10th, a sand cushion, made a door at the back, a pair of embrasures, covered tanks, cockpit glass, "" "" http://shusharmor.livejournal.com/511845.html

    It’s not a problem to weld a body, the cab is another matter. It’s much more difficult, the car’s cab .. if it still has rounded lines.
    The simplest mine and ballistic defense of a landing in a truck.
    On the floor 5 mm steel + sandbags, then 5 mm steel. The sides are 5 mm spaced apart in the gap or cement mortar or railway sleepers. And the channel for struts, so that the body would not fold when side undermining.

    The American, using this technology, made his bulldozer. They did not take him with small arms.
  12. ICT
    ICT 26 October 2013 13: 09 New
    +4
    Quote: bask
    The American, using this technology, made his bulldozer. They did not take him with small arms.

    Heard a long time ago, but somehow there was no reason to look, there’s a smaller video, but there’s a story and the design is painted, (special respect for the designer himself crying )


    add grids and here is the technique for war on the streets of Syria
    1. bask
      bask 26 October 2013 13: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: TIT
      add grids and here is the technique for war on the streets of Syria

      The hero was a man. In Russian I did everything !!!!!
      Exactly TIT good
      It is possible to make a bulldozer with a dump blade from a GSh, T-72,62,55, and BTR-T.
      For street fighting just right, clear your way and deliver infantry. All you need is hydraulics.
      1. ICT
        ICT 26 October 2013 13: 39 New
        +2
        hide hydraulic hoses only.
      2. Rider
        Rider 26 October 2013 15: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: bask
        For street fighting just right, clear your way and deliver infantry. All you need is hydraulics.

        complete nonsense
        and how long will he live after a shot from a (at least) fly?
        you can’t even hang DZ on it.
        therefore, they didn’t hang anything on the cars, since in the city the best defense was the infantry blocking the approaches.
        and the pepelats described in the article are for raiders and columns.
        1. Massik
          Massik 26 October 2013 19: 08 New
          +1
          From RPG 18 you will demolish the maximum caterpillar if there armored plates higher than 100mm are welded, but from RPG 7 you can disassemble this unit into bolts especially with VRami.
          1. Rider
            Rider 26 October 2013 20: 02 New
            0
            Quote: Marssik
            From RPG 18 you will demolish the maximum caterpillar if there are armored plates above 100mm welded

            google the armor penetration of the rpg-18, even with a large angle from the normal - at least 150mm
            laughing
            1. Massik
              Massik 31 October 2013 22: 09 New
              0
              For me, Google is not an argument at all, you first shoot from a fly, and then look back at Google
        2. bask
          bask 26 October 2013 21: 12 New
          +3
          Quote: Rider
          complete nonsense
          and how long will he live after a shot from a (at least) fly?
          you can’t even hang DZ on it.

          What case T62,72, destroy from the first shot? (You can of course, if you're lucky).
          Quote: Rider
          you can’t even hang DZ on it.

          Why not, you can, and trellised anti-cumulative screens, mounted armor.
          Dramatically reduce the vulnerability of BTR-T.
          And you can kill everything, invulnerable armored vehicles do not exist.
          Quote: Roland
          The current dump is wedge-shaped to push obstacles to the sides.

          IMR-3M barrage engineering machine. Click ..
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 26 October 2013 21: 27 New
            +4
            I welcome Andryush, read the news, here is some information from October 26, the news is of course still a source, but all the less: A special protection kit, which includes a bucket from a bulldozer, will make the T-72 and T-90 invulnerable to hand grenade launchers
            Ministry of Defense ordered a city tank
            Photo: uvz.ru

            The Russian Ministry of Defense ordered a tank for urban combat. As the military department told Izvestia, they are talking about modernization kits for the T-72 and T-90 “field”, which will protect them from shelling in the narrow streets of city blocks and allow them to overcome blockages and barricades.

            - To overcome the rubble, the city tank will be equipped with a dozer dump bucket. Such kits are available only on American TUSK (Tank urban special Kit). In addition, the tank’s bottom will be reinforced with armored plates to protect against landmines and landmines, and a special grille will be fastened around the hull, which will detonate the warhead of portable anti-tank systems until it comes into contact with the armor, ”the representative of the Ministry of Defense told Izvestia.

            Now the Main Armored Directorate is preparing tactical and technical requirements and tasks for such a kit. The work should be completed this summer, after which a tender for the development will be announced.

            It has already been determined that a combat vehicle with a city battle kit must withstand hits from RPG-7 and RPG-29, as well as HE explosions with a capacity of several tens of kilograms of TNT. The new kit will also include additional blocks of dynamic protection (whetstones with explosives that drop the projectile upon impact).

            As planned by the military, kits for urban combat should be mounted on combat tanks in a short time.

            “For example, a battalion will support infantry in the city.” These kits are brought from warehouses, the crew and repairmen are assembling city kits. After completing the task, the kits are dismantled and taken to the warehouse, ”the representative of the Ministry of Defense explained.

            The components of the kit are being developed by the Research Institute of Steel, which, apparently, will become the winner of the future tender for development. In any case, this research institute has a large number of ready-made samples of dynamic protection, trellised screens and other elements.

            - Our task now is to choose the optimal set according to the “cost-effect” criterion. We plan that these will not be piece sets, but mass weapons. The larger the party, the cheaper the creation of a city tank, ”the source said.

            At the Steel Research Institute, Izvestia was told that each set of urban combat would cost the military no less than $ 200–250 thousand.

            - Now, with the Ministry of Defense, work is ongoing at the level of oral negotiations, so the final parameters of the kit, including the price, will be determined only after all the documents are completed. But now it’s clear that the most expensive in the new set will be extended dynamic protection - its set for one tank costs more than $ 100 thousand. But, for example, lattice screens and bottom protection are much cheaper - about several hundred thousand rubles. The cheapest one is a dozer blade, which costs several tens of thousands, ”an employee of the research institute explained.

            An officer in the tank of the Southern Military District brigade explained to Izvestia that conventional tanks are not suitable for battle in the city, since among houses and buildings they are more vulnerable to firing at close range than on the front line. This was largely the reason for the failure of the storming of Grozny in 1995, when militants shot tanks from the roofs of houses with hand grenade launchers.
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 26 October 2013 21: 29 New
              +1
              - Still, the tank was originally designed for battle in the open, there are other distances and other angles of defeat. The main blow is in the frontal plane and at a distance of 2 km to 700 m. Therefore, the thickest armor in front. And in the city they can shoot at a tank both from behind and from the side, where the armor is thinner, and not from 2 km, but from several tens of meters. And to completely destroy a modern tank, one hit from the RPG-29 is enough, ”the source said.

              However, in the field, an urban kit will make the tank heavier, slow down maneuverability and increase fuel consumption. Therefore, in an open area, tanks with a dump and protection from RPGs will be vulnerable. This is the reason that the urban combat kit must be removable.

              Independent military expert Alexei Khlopotov told Izvestia that similar kits for the city have been developed and are actively used in other countries of the world.

              - The Americans have this TUSK for the M-1 Abrams (Tank urban special Kit). They implemented the same developments that are planned in the promising Russian kit - additional armor, gratings for protection against cumulative grenades and missiles, etc. The French set for the LeClerk tank was called AZUR (Action en Zone Urbaine). The Germans are also developing such kits for their Leopards. Americans actively used TUSK in Iraq, and the French are now using AZUR in Afghanistan, says Khlopotov.

              Work on the creation of urban combat kit has been carried out in the USSR since the 1970s. In particular, for the war in Afghanistan, a development kit for the T-62 tank with additional armor and protective screens was developed. However, with the collapse of the Union, developments in this direction were curtailed.
              1. bask
                bask 26 October 2013 21: 57 New
                +2
                Quote: Alex 241
                The Russian Ministry of Defense ordered a tank for urban combat.

                Hi Sash.
                Thanks for the info ... it's a pity Lyoha is not on the site, ask what he thinks about this.
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 26 October 2013 22: 00 New
                  +5
                  Maybe he’ll come running in, I also prepared material for him, on an urban modification of the T-72, posted it as an article, but they hacked it, apparently information about which caps of the US marines is more important.
                  1. bask
                    bask 26 October 2013 22: 12 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    I also prepared material for him, according to the urban modification of the T-72, posted it as an article, but

                    Sorry, of course. Maybe they will miss it again?
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 26 October 2013 22: 14 New
                      +1
                      Not fatally Andryukh, survive.
                2. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 27 October 2013 14: 03 New
                  +1
                  Quote: bask
                  sorry Lyokha is not on the site, ask what he thinks about this.

                  Hi Sanya, Andrey!
                  Yesterday somehow I couldn’t get in ...

                  This is the same version of the city tank shown in Tagil. (Sanya, and in the photo you have an ARV.)

                  We have already discussed it a bit.
                  I still can’t find the answer, how his commander’s defense is strengthened ...
                  laughing

                  And about necessity - such a kit for urban combat is better than its absence.
                  1. bask
                    bask 27 October 2013 14: 09 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    This is the same version of the city tank shown in Tagil. (Sanya, and in the photo you have an ARV.)

                    Good day Lesh.
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    modifications of the T-72, posted as an article, but its

                    Sanya didn’t miss the article. How is your article moving forward?
                    1. Aleks tv
                      Aleks tv 27 October 2013 14: 29 New
                      +1
                      Quote: bask
                      Sanya didn’t miss the article. How is your article moving forward?

                      It's a pity...

                      I have everything ready for T-72Б3 for a long time, just waiting for feedback from colleagues about the use of Pine ...
                      If you can’t help komentami in the coming days, then so send for moderation.
                      1. bask
                        bask 27 October 2013 14: 43 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Aleks tv
                        e days, then send it to moderation

                        Send read-discuss.
                        The article is from a practitioner, not from an ,, Expert ,,,.
          2. Rider
            Rider 26 October 2013 23: 45 New
            +1
            Basque, don’t you yourself see that everything you have listed is NOT a gantrack (that is, an easy maneuverable platform with light weapons and a fairly significant crew)?

            Is it NAMER (it seems he is) and IMR-3M is a dumbbell?
            and most importantly, the advantage of gantraks is cheapness, how much are the samples you cited as an argument?

            and comforting the armor, increasing the caliber, will lead to duplication of the existing line of armored vehicles.
            the only thing our MoD should think about is something like Mrap.
            but this is again not discussed ganship.
            wink
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 26 October 2013 23: 51 New
              +1
              Dumbbell translates as an armed truck, so it is by no means an easy platform.
            2. bask
              bask 27 October 2013 00: 09 New
              +1
              Quote: Rider
              Is it NAMER (it seems he is) and IMR-3M is a dumbbell?

              No, of course, 1 M113 in body kit from RAFAEL, 2 IMP-3M, I did not answer you (Roland).
              Quote: Rider
              you can’t even hang DZ on it.

              Your post, I replied that you can hang any armor.
              On the chassis of the tank, in which the tower failed, only in the field.
              Using improvised materials.
              After the operation, such a technique is either for repair or for re-melting.
              But BTR-T with a blade can be made from improvised means.
              1. Rider
                Rider 27 October 2013 11: 28 New
                +2
                Quote: bask
                On the chassis of the tank in which the tower failed


                sorry basque, but your thought more and more flies into the clouds.
                WHAT will an UNAIDSED tank do in battle?
                WHY DOES HE NEED?
                if we are talking about IMR, then this is a separate SPECIALIZED class of armored vehicles.
                but he cannot protect himself.

                on your second photo
                M113 kit
                so this is BMP, and they are full in the army, it’s only a kit.

                as we see, both the 1st and 2nd example are NOT a gantra.

                and what you dream about is called - Mrap.
                and simply an armored Kamaz / Ural protecting the crew from bullets and light IEDs.
                just turning it into a bunker on wheels is a bad idea.
                this is BMP / BTR

                The only use of the gantrak platform (as I said) is light reconnaissance.
                something like the English scouts, and the American teams of HAMVIA.
                1. bask
                  bask 27 October 2013 11: 52 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Rider
                  just turning it into a bunker on wheels is a bad idea.
                  this is BMP / BTR

                  I don’t need to ascribe other people's ideas.
                  The British embodied this idea in metal and concrete back in the 40s.

                  MOBILE DOT BISON, gantrack.
                  [Center]

                  1. Rider
                    Rider 27 October 2013 14: 13 New
                    +1
                    Quote: bask
                    I don’t need to ascribe other people's ideas.
                    The British embodied this idea in metal and concrete back in the 40s.

                    MOBILE DOT BISON, gantrack.


                    in the 40s there was no RPG, agree?
                    How long will this handicap live in urban combat?

                    the best use of the gantrack - bumped, shot, received a stars - dumped.
                    and certainly intelligence.
                    1. bask
                      bask 27 October 2013 18: 01 New
                      0
                      Quote: Rider
                      How long will this handicap live in urban combat?

                      But what should he do in a city battle? After all, the truth is not what.
                      Quote: Rider

                      the best use of the gantrack - bumped, shot, received a stars - dumped.
                      and certainly intelligence.

                      And here I do not agree with you, this is not an armored car, shoot and run away.
                      The dumbbell, in the first and foremost, was created exclusively and only to escort the columns. This is not the MDI, not the multi-purpose armored car.
                      Armament maximum 12,7, machine gun and 40 mm grenade launcher.

                      Well, you want to fly in with heavy trucks and leave quickly. It won’t work, they will all stay there during a raid.
                      For reconnaissance and sabotage operations and armored vehicles must be appropriate.
                      Relatively light, mobile, mine-protected, armed with a DBM, with
                      Cannon feces 23 mm, 30 mm. ...Cry..
                      1. Rider
                        Rider 28 October 2013 00: 22 New
                        0
                        Quote: bask
                        But what should he do in a city battle? After all, the truth is not what.

                        why then is it needed?
                        Quote: bask
                        Dumbbell, first and foremost, was created exclusively and only to accompany the columns

                        Yes, simply because there are few beters than its advantage over the BTR / BMP - I can’t understand.
                        the armor is weaker, the caliber is also (well, if the zushka is not taken), but right now the memory stick and the tower are stuck at the base of the matalyga are protected, patency is higher.
                        and when you consider the new modules for the BTR / BMP. then the need for these pepelats disappears altogether.

                        ALL of these perversions (sheathed KAMAZ and memory in zilah) from the banal lack of normal equipment.
          3. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 27 October 2013 14: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: bask
            IMR-3M engineering clearing vehicle.

            Andrew, hit the nail on the head.

            To get yourself into the assault group UR-77 (Serpent Gorynych) or IMR-2M (Khvatayka) was a DREAM of any commander !!!
            WRI in the city is SUPER. You don’t even have to develop your favorite armored tractors.
            He is already created.
            yes
            It is necessary to make friends with the commander of an engineering and combat engineer battalion ...
            wink

            By the way: IMR provided HUGE help in the Chernobyl accident. The use of these machines is equivalent to the use of helicopters.
            I remember badly, but it seems EVERY second military IMR was there ...
            Turntables and IMR are real hard workers of that trouble ...

            This is IMR-2m:
            1. Rider
              Rider 27 October 2013 14: 28 New
              +2
              Good afternoon, Alexei, if the minefighter can still be used during the assault, I can’t understand how the PMR will help you.
              make out the blockage under enemy fire?
              so, with a high degree of probability, he will remain there.
              evacuate damaged equipment?
              it’s easier to use any rolled up armor.
              Well, there is no place for engineering equipment in battle.
              you can give an example of Israel, but there the armored bulldozer is used to demolish the buildings where the families involved in the terrorism, as well as the Palestinian villages lived, and this is done with TOTAL control on the battlefield.
              and you want to drag him into the assault infantry.

              however, share your experience, maybe I don’t know what.
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 27 October 2013 14: 41 New
                +2
                Quote: Rider
                what IID will help you with, I can’t understand.

                How can I tell you, Alexander ...

                Well, there is nothing in the troops of this class. Simply no...

                Tank-class car, armored.
                Front blade - UNIQUE. OH movable. Dozer-blade-grader.
                The grip crane takes "tons !!!
                And everything is under fire, remotely.
                There is an electromagnetic equipment for jamming mines.
                And indeed he was allowed to land on mines, even without a knife trawl ...
                In the city, he has a WAGON of applications.

                MIRACLE MACHINE !!!

                He answered quickly, as I was in a hurry.
                If you have questions, I will answer with pleasure a little later.
                1. Rider
                  Rider 27 October 2013 15: 08 New
                  0
                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  In the city, he has a WAGON of applications.

                  ONLY in the event that the surrounding area is controlled by its troops.
                  in any other case, it’s a crawling low-armored target (meaning not the thickness of the main armor, but the protection of the working mechanisms) target.
                  I myself am a machine operator, and by this I know how easy it would be to disable a seemingly reliable, iron, armored fool.
                  you can forget about the capture crane right away, I don’t think that hydraulic drives (hoses, cylinders, rods) have a strong reservation, and are amazed by the usual arrow.
                  with a knife more complicated, its vulnerabilities are reliably covered by the unit itself.
                  but, as you yourself understand, clearing the blockage (clearing the passage for armored vehicles) under fire is very, very dangerous.
                  therefore, such a technique will be used (for the most part) in captured, and relatively well-controlled areas.

                  by the way, the cool use of this handicap, the assault of a small rural house in a dense village building, captured by a small group of terrorists who do not have RPGs and something killer-sized.

                  and by the way, why do you say that it is "remote" so it seems - a crew of a couple of fuel workers.
                  or added a remote control?
                  1. Aleks tv
                    Aleks tv 27 October 2013 22: 27 New
                    0
                    Quote: Rider
                    ONLY in the event that the surrounding area is controlled by its troops.

                    Alexander, no one is going to let the "Hvatayka" go ahead of the "All Planet".
                    In the city:
                    It is desirable not in the 1st, not in the 2nd, and not even in the 3rd line of the OG (fire group) of the Yolochka battle formation.
                    - She is located in the Support Group. Leaves in the first line as necessary and again goes back into battle formation.
                    - WRI is also good in the second wave, which follows the Assault Team. For some reason, everyone forgets that to "shoot" all the villains in the building and ... move on, that's not all. Without a competent second echelon, the primary battle becomes almost meaningless. IMR well prepares fortifications and cleans the roadway.

                    In small towns and villages, she will find the same application, not to mention her main tasks.
                    Nice car.
                    IMR, PTS, UR-77 and BTS are the most respected engineering machines.

                    Quote: Rider
                    or added a remote control?

                    Yes, I didn’t put it right. I was in a hurry, I’m sorry.
                    I meant that the crew is working inside, although they have to go out to prepare the arrow.

                    IMR at work:
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 27 October 2013 22: 33 New
                      +1
                      Hey Lesha, I’ve found a big photo for the T-72 city modification. I hope you’ll figure it out. What's the matter? /
                      1. Aleks tv
                        Aleks tv 27 October 2013 22: 51 New
                        0
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        according to city modification T-72

                        Hi Sanya.

                        The first link is super.
                        Good photos. Thank you very much !
                        good
                      2. Kars
                        Kars 27 October 2013 22: 52 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Aleks tv
                        Good photos

                        Better look what the Turks with M60 did. And on the turret.
                      3. Aleks tv
                        Aleks tv 27 October 2013 22: 59 New
                        0
                        Quote: Kars
                        And to the turret.

                        Ага.
                        Many options for placing top weapons.
                        To understand which one is better, it is desirable to "play around" ...
                        laughing

                        While impressed by the option T-90ms.
                        But did not try. Maybe next summer ...
                        wink
                      4. Kars
                        Kars 27 October 2013 23: 02 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Aleks tv
                        While impressed by the option T-90ms.

                        What's so special about it? The usual remote turret. They’ll put one on any tank - give me only money.


                        http://www.standartbio.com/pdf/M60_Tank_Modernization.pdf
                      5. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 27 October 2013 23: 10 New
                        0
                        Installation of the LW25 gun on the turret of the upgraded M60 tank
                      6. Kars
                        Kars 27 October 2013 23: 13 New
                        +2
                        ____________
                      7. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 27 October 2013 23: 20 New
                        +1
                        ..........................................
                  2. Aleks tv
                    Aleks tv 28 October 2013 00: 14 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Kars
                    http://www.standartbio.com/pdf/M60_Tank_Modernization.pdf

                    Hmm.
                    The link is interesting.
                    yes
                  3. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 28 October 2013 00: 21 New
                    +1
                    http://btvt.narod.ru/4/m60/m60.htm Т-64Е с усиленным вооружением для применения в современных конфликтах.
                  4. Aleks tv
                    Aleks tv 28 October 2013 00: 33 New
                    0
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    http://btvt.narod.ru/4/m60/m60.htm

                    M60 was once the main enemy ...
                  5. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 28 October 2013 00: 51 New
                    +1
                    Yes Lesh, the Berlin crisis, a direct confrontation.
                  6. Kars
                    Kars 28 October 2013 00: 53 New
                    +1
                    This is the M46 / 47 with the 90mm gun.
                  7. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 28 October 2013 00: 59 New
                    0
                    Both missed, M-48. "And here we are on Friedrichstrasse," recalled company sergeant major V. Sychev, a participant in the events. "There are American M-48 tanks in front of us. To the left of the tanks, in the windows and in the attic of the border house, armed policemen, on the right - a hooting and whistling crowd of fascist thugs. "
    2. Alex 241
      Alex 241 27 October 2013 23: 01 New
      0
      Upgraded German T
      Anch "Leopard 2 PSO"
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    4. Lopatov
      Lopatov 27 October 2013 23: 07 New
      0
      Not enough boxes for the transport of infantry ammunition in the stern, like the French.
  13. Simple
    Simple 27 October 2013 23: 09 New
    0
    Alexander, welcome.

    A little off topic:
    http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article121262964/
    Eurofighter-sind-ueber-jahre-fluguntauglich.html

    Of the 103 delivered to the Bundeswehr, Eurofighter ditches are approximately half
    competent.
    The cause of the failures was technical errors, quality assurance issues at the EADS manufacturing company, lack of spare parts and lack of system inspectors, as stated in the report.
    On one of the fighters, during a routine check, a defect was discovered in the ejection seat. As always in such cases, they started checking all
    Eurofighter ditch.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 27 October 2013 22: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: Aleks tv
    IMR, PTS, UR-77 and BTS are the most respected engineering machines.

    The most respected engineering machine in the war is an excavator. And what's interesting: the lower the rank, the higher the respect. At the level of private-ml. sergeant it just rolls over.

    Of those named by you, it is necessary to highlight "Urku". An irreplaceable vehicle during battles in the city. Provides a passage free of all obstacles - mines, buildings and the enemy. It is a pity, the booking at the device is rather weak.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 27 October 2013 22: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: Spade
      The most respected engineering machine in the war is an excavator.

      Well, THIS, and even on the basis of Kraz-255 - of course YES.
      A very necessary device at all times.

      Quote: Spade
      It’s a pity, the reservation with the device is rather weak.

      Urka - but rather weak. Guys without cover on her did not meddle anywhere. And they did the right thing, with the undermining of it, ALL in the circle cripples.
      The guys carried the "hose" on a hand carry, one shot at a time. UR is highly visible.
      Particularly good installation in single-story buildings.
      In general, they need a car on the basis of the tank, as chemists made for transporting Bumblebees - BMO-T.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 27 October 2013 23: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: Aleks tv
      In general, they need a car on the basis of the tank, as chemists made for transporting Bumblebees - BMO-T.

      They need a remote controlled car. Because if the intestine detonates, it will no longer matter at what base "Urka" is. One and a half tons of explosives is not a joke
    3. family tree
      family tree 28 October 2013 00: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: Aleks tv
      Urka - but rather weak, but in general they need a car on the basis of a tank,

      Apparently, therefore, the URs were mounted on IMR-2 what
      Lopatov (1) Yesterday, 23:03 ↑
      They need a remote controlled car. Because if the intestine detonates, it will no longer matter at what base "Urka" is. One and a half tons of explosives is not a joke

      And one of the reasons why they decided not to bet on IMR-2M and subsequent request
    4. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 28 October 2013 01: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: perepilka
      Apparently, therefore, the URs were mounted on IMR-2

      ??
      "Gorynych" based on the converted 2S1.
      The IMR of all modifications has always been on a tank base.
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  • atalef
    atalef 27 October 2013 15: 21 New
    +3
    Caterpillars remodel in tzahal




    [img] http: // http: //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/IDF-D9-Zachi-Even
    or-001.jpg? uselang = en [/ img]
    1. 31231
      31231 27 October 2013 19: 40 New
      0
      And in the cockpit of bulletproof glass?
      1. atalef
        atalef 27 October 2013 20: 44 New
        0
        Quote: 31231
        And in the cockpit of bulletproof glass?

        Yes, there are still two soldiers in the cockpit, one driver, one hundred weapons operator (a remote machine gun). Remote-controlled D9 (Dubi) - a teddy bear has already been manufactured and put into service.

  • Roland
    Roland 26 October 2013 19: 13 New
    +1
    The current dump is wedge-shaped to push obstacles to the sides.
  • cormorant
    cormorant 26 October 2013 13: 25 New
    +2
    The American, using this technology, made his bulldozer. They did not take him with small arms.


    Yeah, apparently the most democratic country of man got it. He would have a couple of friends there with heavy machine guns ... I would have to call the aircraft. Thank you for the video!
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 26 October 2013 13: 26 New
    +5
    A good article ... would be if the author had any idea what he was writing about. What is a dumbbell? Why does this monster naturally appear in any movie on the relevant topic? No, this is not a KAMAZ, pasted over with sandbags. Dumbbell is a frame platform with weapons mounted on light turrets. Gan - that is, armed, truck - platform.
    This thing enters the cinema because it presents a cinematic view of war. The rapid movement of a small unit, which is a fairly significant military force. Since the "gantruck team" is armed with heavy machine guns, grenade launchers, possibly a recoilless cannon. Ammunition for all this is carried by a platform, most of the relatively heavy weapons are mounted on turrets.
    "Suspended" on the frame, fighters can take positions in a matter of seconds by jumping off the slowed down platform. They are fresh, as they have not poured weapons, ammunition and equipment on the hump for many hours. They were not covered with a bomb carpet, since the platform is maneuverable, very fast and extremely passable. This column of tanks, armored personnel carriers and stupid KAMAZ vehicles with hinged armor were crushed into pieces by a missile raid. The nimble gantrucks have little metal for the guidance heads, they are not in formation and not exclusively along the road. And having heard the characteristic sound of a rocket attack, they generally rushed in all directions, which saved most of them.
    On the battlefield, the gantrack was just ... abandoned! The loss of four wheels, two centners of metal pipes and the engine will not fall heavily on the military budget. After the battle, the welder and mechanic slap a new one from the surviving units of the old and spare parts worth one armored personnel carrier in one day. Two problems. The first is frost.
    This is serious, without a stove and shelter for fighters, moving on such a thing is simply deadly. Well, really ... in war you can solve this ... with a piece of tarpaulin! Our scientists built awesome children's towns for children in the same Novosibirsk, freezing wet pieces of a rag, and collecting fancy and rather strong forms from them. In peacetime, no one bothers to soak the tarp with plastic. Here is a ready-made shelter for the gantrach frame, or rather, for the fighters based on it. Broke-broke? A piece of rag, a puddle of epoxy ... wait half an hour and the shelter is whole again. This can’t be called a body ... so we don’t seem to be at the car dealership, do we need war equipment? Will go ...
    The second one. And this reason is a sentence. For didusseks at high headquarters, all this looks innocent. It’s not suitable for the parade, and it’s terrible, terrible! And for supply monsters, commissar bison, all this is too ... cheap! No room for combinations, a nightmare!
    A very promising, most convenient, essential thing for the winners in modern warfare. Will not be recognized by MO for anything. It will certainly be used in modern warfare, on pure enthusiasm. Due to the lack of normal design, supplies and experience, thousands of soldiers will die in vain before they take their rightful place "in the ranks" ...
    1. Rider
      Rider 26 October 2013 16: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: Mikhail3
      Two problems. The first is frost.
      This is serious, without a stove and shelter for fighters, moving on such a thing is simply deadly.

      sensible, very, very.
      but on the second point, you can argue.
      gantrak, this is not a "breakthrough" in military affairs, and not even a novelty.
      but a kind of "woe from the mind" but simply - from poverty.
      there is no normal MRAP - here's a Kamaz hung with iron, no betrov with new weapons modules, to escort the columns - get a zil with a ZUShka in the back.
      there aren’t enough messes for reconnaissance - well, you won’t get by with a gantra, either send infantry or normal armor.

      the best rewards for armored vehicles are light reconnaissance forces (something like English scouts in Afghanistan) or patrols (again light) in the desert or steppe.

      something like this.
    2. bask
      bask 26 October 2013 16: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: Mikhail3
      Dumbbell is a frame platform with weapons mounted on light turrets. Gan - that is, armed, truck - platform.

      This concept dates back to Vietnam, when the yankers began to mount iron and put machine guns and anti-aircraft guns on their trucks to escort the convoys.
    3. Massik
      Massik 26 October 2013 19: 17 New
      0
      All this is for the next "partisan"
      Since the "gantruck team" is armed with heavy machine guns, grenade launchers, possibly a recoilless cannon. Ammunition for all this is carried by a platform, most of the relatively heavy weapons are mounted on turrets.
      well this doesn't go well
      On the battlefield, the gantrack was just ... abandoned! The loss of four wheels, two centners of metal pipes and the engine will not fall heavily on the military budget. After the battle, the welder and mechanic slap a new one from the surviving units of the old and spare parts worth one armored personnel carrier in one day.
      Yeah, but where else is SPG-9, ZU-23-2, 2 "Cliffs" or 3 AGS-17 and a sea of ​​ammunition to look for ??? These are the ones who are used to throwing everything and then go "for alms" to ask for extra zinc cartridges from another unit ...
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 27 October 2013 11: 34 New
        0
        You just don’t understand .... In general, that is a common thing. No one ever understands what weapons he possesses. What are its capabilities and methods of application until it seriously cauterizes the ass. No, this is not for partisanism.
        What is a tank? This is a means of delivering a gun and a machine gun, as well as rocket cartridges to the place of shooting. Why is it armored, equipped with active protection, some electronic warfare equipment and other shnyaga? Because I really want to save the delivery vehicle for further shooting, as well as save the expensive, specifically trained crew. Merits? It is difficult to dig through with a light rifleman. Everything. The rest are flaws.
        Most of the tank's mass is completely unsuitable for a combat mission. All these mountains of glands, high-intelligence composites, electronics, explosives, the devil-devil do not fight at all, that is, they do not lead to victory in battle. They keep the tank relatively in line. Really ... what is the tank's survivability in modern combat? How many minutes? "The armored IL is the strongest of all aircraft. But for its repair, a wagon is being transported. And for me - a plywood box, and all repairs are over laughing "It's funny, isn't it? But the Germans didn't laugh at all when the night witches turned railway junctions into a sea of ​​fire ...
        The commander chooses a point of influence in battle, where you need to inflict a massive blow. At great speed, almost eliminating defeat, the platform flies there. Almost half of her weight is a weapon! The team strikes, which, with a well-thought-out configuration of the strike complex, is almost equal to several tank shots. Then it disperses and takes cover. Shelters are also outlined in advance, the course of action has been roughly outlined ... Some of the weapons can be saved. Part of it is impossible, but its value will never reach the irretrievably lost tank gun, for example. Estimate the relative combat effectiveness of the tank crew and the track team, which consists entirely of shooters. Think, who is easier to survive after a single shot from a grenade launcher - a suicide bomber clogged in armor, or a team scattered behind shelters? Etc. etc....
        Your last argument ... If you think, just think hard, calmly and energetically, and not spit out a set of old cliches, you will inevitably understand that your last argument is not so much about war as about "army life" and local operations. Well, very local, and even then .... Quartermaster arguments are terrible in peacetime. And there is a sea of ​​blood in real battles ...
        No, dumbbell is not a universal weapon laughing This does not exist, I heard from the corner of my ear. But its application is ripe and overripe. That's just the training of fighters, and even commanders ...
        1. Massik
          Massik 31 October 2013 22: 29 New
          0
          Oh, how brainy you are, just having the good old memory 23-2, Shilka, etc., etc. I’ll spray your dumbbell on the cogs and fly even through the air.
          At great speed, almost eliminating defeat, the platform flies there. Almost half of her weight is a weapon!
          yeah, and the battlefield is already even horror, straight asphalt))) yourself not funny ??? ))) at what enormous speed are you going to fly through the funnels with a depth of one and a half to 3 meters ??? Or you say
          Shelters are also planned in advance, approximately the procedure has been outlined ...
          Well, we are considering the case of the presence of rock fragments, bushes, etc. But where were you going to maneuver ???))) When I got a grenade launcher hit the UAZ with a 200m flying at a speed of 60-80 km / h along a winding road, spending only 2 shots. In the end, how did you get ready to aim and shoot at least 40 km / h with a minimum of a machine gun ??? laughing From KPVT to an APC it’s hard to get to a standing target at such a speed. Or does your dumbbell have a two-plane stabilizer for each weapon ??? laughing Let at least one MILITARY refute me ... Anyway, thank you, I laughed heartily))))
          PS
          Tanks also know how to maintain infantry from safe positions and it turns out they are much better.
  • ICT
    ICT 26 October 2013 14: 17 New
    +3
    Quote: Mikhail3
    Gan - that is, armed, truck - platform.
    well soccer is more than a foot ball lol ,


    Quote: Mikhail3
    platform.
    . and the truck than the platform (or only the skeleton is accepted)
    1. bask
      bask 26 October 2013 22: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: TIT
      . and the truck than the platform (or only the skeleton is accepted)

      The first Soviet buggy.
      Dumbbell from a tractor. soldier
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 26 October 2013 22: 09 New
        +2
        This is one of the famous tanks NI-1 ("To Fear") - produced during the defense of Odessa in 1941 and representing an ordinary agricultural tracked tractor STZ-NATI, sheathed with armor sheets.
        1. bask
          bask 26 October 2013 22: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: Alex 241
          This is one of the famous tanks NI-1 ("To Fright") - produced during the defense of Odessa in 1941 and representing

          Yes, Sash, when he became interested in armored vehicles, he read about this amazing car.
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 26 October 2013 22: 20 New
            +2
            In the film EXPLAIT ODESSA there is a fragment about this car. Serdito and tastefully-in the Russian style.
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 26 October 2013 22: 24 New
              +2
              NI tank ........................
              1. bask
                bask 26 October 2013 22: 42 New
                +1
                Quote: Alex 241
                tank NI ...

                Sash. good
                Here's another topic.
      2. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 27 October 2013 11: 46 New
        +1
        The first Soviet buggy is ... buggy. They were built and held competitions. They drove like that, tear it and throw it away ...
  • jandjella
    jandjella 26 October 2013 17: 30 New
    +1
    Every now and then from the time of the Libyan Arab spring and now the war in Syria, I see the alteration of civilians outside the road for military carts. By installing dshk and zgu. Moreover, both from the side of apazition and from the government side. Alya Samodelkin
    1. Kars
      Kars 26 October 2013 18: 03 New
      +3
      __________________________
      1. bask
        bask 26 October 2013 21: 31 New
        +1
        Syria, improvised SSA armored vehicles, militants 2013.
        Answer by Hezbollah. SAO based on a truck and S-57 anti-aircraft 60 mm gun.
  • 0255
    0255 26 October 2013 18: 16 New
    +1
    The Korean firm "Hyundai", having revised "The Walking Dead", also created its own "gantruck".
    http://auto.mail.ru/article.html?id=43785&social=vk
    According to the source, it was shown on October 10, 2013. Maybe the Koreans are preparing to attack the radioactive zombies that may appear as a result of the accident at the Fukushima? laughing
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  • Roland
    Roland 26 October 2013 19: 30 New
    +2
    Here is such a deadly train for example wassat
    1. bask
      bask 26 October 2013 22: 35 New
      +1
      Brazilian gantrack.
      Patrolling in Favel Rio De Janeiro ... Click ..

      1. bask
        bask 26 October 2013 22: 49 New
        +1
        And now the classics of the genre !!!!
        A gantrack from the jungle of Sri Sri Lanka, from craftsmen (tigers of liberation of Tamil Ilam).
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 26 October 2013 23: 00 New
          +2
          Tank drug court.
          .................................................. ...
          1. bask
            bask 26 October 2013 23: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: Alex 241
            Tank drug court.

            There is one (armored car).
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 26 October 2013 23: 18 New
              +1
              According to the contract signed by the Emirate's International Golden Group (IGG) and the British BAE Systems, next year the UAE will begin production of the RG-31 Agrab multi-purpose armored vehicles.

              As TsAMTO previously reported, in 2011, the UAE Armed Forces signed a contract with International Golden Group worth 786 million dirhams (213,97 million dollars) for the supply of 72 Agrab Mk.2 self-propelled mortars. IGG is the main contractor for the Agrab program. She is responsible for the integration of all subsystems and the transfer of mortars to the UAE. It is planned that the first 10 cars will be assembled in South Africa, and the production of the remaining 62 cars will be established at IGG in the UAE.

              According to National with reference to a representative of BAe Systems, several fully assembled BBMs have already been delivered to the customer. In the near future, the UAE will begin supplying car kits for final assembly.

              The 120 mm SR Kinetics SRAM mortar launcher, located in the rear of the vehicle, was tested on a wide range of tracked and wheeled platforms and is armed with the Singapore Armed Forces, which mounted it on the Bronco all-terrain vehicle.

              Ammunition capacity is 46 units. 120 mm mortar mines of the company "Rheinmetal Denel munichins". The firing range depends on the combination of projectile / propellant charge. For a high-explosive mine, it can be 8,2 km, for a lighting mine - 7,5 km. Ammunition 12,7 mm machine gun is 1600 rounds.

              It is planned that four Agrab Mk.2 units will enter the mortar battery, however, each installation can be used independently. The calculation of three people is able to bring the mortar into alert position in less than 1 minute.

              The armament of the command of the MTR of the UAE also has the command vehicle RG-31 Mk.5.

              Source: TSAMTO 18.10.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX
              1. bask
                bask 27 October 2013 00: 16 New
                0
                Quote: Alex 241
                According to the contract signed by the Emirate's International Golden Group (IGG) and the British BAE Systems, next year the UAE will begin production of the RG-31 Agrab multi-purpose armored vehicles.

                It's a shame, however, Sash, the Arabs ride modern armored vehicles.
                And they buy it in the units needed by their army. And not like ours, as much as we can.
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 27 October 2013 00: 25 New
                  +1
                  Andryukh, I myself don’t understand what’s difficult in booking a car, the comrades have mastered this a long time ago, but the troops manage with half measures, and as a result we pay with blood.
                  1. Day 11
                    Day 11 27 October 2013 00: 40 New
                    +3
                    Sasha good night! A little out of topic. Do you remember here discussing films about the war (modern --- Mr., but old-class)? Now I watched the series "Disappeared" - honestly, I watched avidly! -or. If not, I advise
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 27 October 2013 00: 43 New
                      +1
                      Hello Denis. the name is something familiar, I’ll take a look.
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 27 October 2013 00: 45 New
                        0
                        Is it Denis? I watched a good movie. Do you know recently watched Normandy -Neman, watched like the first time.
                      2. Day 11
                        Day 11 27 October 2013 00: 52 New
                        +2
                        Exactly! He seemed to be shown on the box, but I rarely look at him. I really liked
                      3. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 27 October 2013 00: 55 New
                        0
                        http://kinofilms.tv/film/normandiya-neman/22239/ Вот ссылка.
                2. Corsair
                  Corsair 27 October 2013 22: 46 New
                  0
                  Quote: Den 11
                  ? Now I watched the series "The Disappeared" - honestly, I watched it avidly! Neototvatsya.A remake of the old film Oboz, or what.

                  I apologize, and I hope you won’t beat me for asking lol :
                  The film is not about a "false" partisan wagon train with weapons? The title "evokes" something ...
                  1. Day 11
                    Day 11 27 October 2013 23: 15 New
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                    "There is no turning back" (original with Alalin). Why, I liked the modern one
                  2. Corsair
                    Corsair 29 October 2013 12: 23 New
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                    Quote: Den 11
                    "There is no turning back" (original with Alalin)

                    Thank you ...
            2. bask
              bask 27 October 2013 00: 44 New
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              Quote: Alex 241
              I myself don’t understand what’s difficult in booking a car, the comrades have mastered this a long time ago. And the troops are doing it in half measures, and in the end we are paying with blood.

              So I don’t understand Sash, what kind of problem is this, arch-complicated.
              Take the bridges running from the truck and weld the V-shaped body, equip the sides with anti-cumulative screens.
              For a good month of work.
              This can only be explained by the disregard for their military personnel and total corruption.
              In my yard, the Urals are old, b ****, I will buy metal I will start the MPA dumbbell myself.
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 27 October 2013 00: 49 New
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                Well buddy, you won’t get much done here!
                1. bask
                  bask 27 October 2013 00: 54 New
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                  Quote: Alex 241
                  Well buddy, you won’t get much done here!

                  If possible, at least I’ll post pictures.
                  The main thing is $, and there are enough assistants and engineers for motorists.
                2. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 27 October 2013 01: 00 New
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                  Andryukh agrees that any car dealership will cope with this task, most importantly brains, hands, equipment and components.
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                4. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 27 October 2013 01: 30 New
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                  Sorry, Andryukh, I'll screw my five cents, can it make sense to make a plywood layout and then shred the iron?
        2. ICT
          ICT 27 October 2013 09: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: bask
          In my yard, the Urals are old, b ****, I will buy metal I will start the MPA dumbbell myself.

          only more accurately, otherwise we don’t have America as soon as it becomes something to draw MU COPs ( lol ) immediately draw, they say they are preparing for a riot

          not your yard by chance
          1. bask
            bask 27 October 2013 13: 41 New
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            Quote: TIT
            not America as soon as there is something to be drawn MU COP

            Uh, for sure TIT, can sweep.
            Quote: TIT
            not your yard by chance

            This is ZIL 131. My Urals have a better condition (on the go, though I haven’t started it for 3 years already).
            And in your background the Israeli museum, in the Golan, there are many Arabs who gave our technology to the Tsakhals.
  • Alex 241
    Alex 241 26 October 2013 23: 23 New
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    08924 [/ img] [/ center]
    Anatoly Lebed, a legendary figure in the airborne forces, made this tactical buggy with his own hands! Unfortunately, he died in an accident. Eternal memory!
    1. ICT
      ICT 27 October 2013 09: 32 New
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      do it yourself Anatoly Lebed
      it is difficult to discuss this creation of course over the eyes (a person has all the breasts in crosses and stars), but the tactical application (for our conditions) of this model is exactly zero, any pickup taken from the passenger compartment will surpass it at times.
      1. bask
        bask 27 October 2013 13: 59 New
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        Quote: TIT
        the application (for our conditions) of this model is exactly zero, any pickup taken from the passenger compartment will surpass it at a time.

        The pickup truck might not have surpassed. But I agree with the rest.
        At -30, riding in an open buggy is too much.
        Not protection against snipers, and mine reservation.
        Buggy South Africa.

        We need an armored car on the bridges of serial cars .. with a V-shaped body but with a roof. For example, the RG-31.
        Simple but tasteful and most importantly effective.
  • Technologist
    Technologist 27 October 2013 17: 20 New
    +1
    Interesting bucephals.
  • misterwulf
    misterwulf 27 October 2013 17: 54 New
    +1
    Cool about shushpanzery! What kind of gantra? Shushpanzery! They were given a name a long time ago. :)
  • Day 11
    Day 11 27 October 2013 17: 55 New
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    But I liked it. It’s a pity only for a man. But the deed is worthy of respect. If anyone is not aware of this story, here is the link http://exkavator.ru/main/news/inf_news/~id=10396
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 28 October 2013 01: 19 New
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    As for me, additional reservation of serial equipment with improvised materials is more suitable for irregular military formations, and for the armed forces there should be serial additional reservation kits that can be mounted on any standard equipment or weapons by the crew or the repair unit of the battalion on this path. in Iraq, including Stryker, and Hamers of various modifications, the weight of which was strictly limited (air transportation). According to my information, the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation is not interested in the development of such kits; it is more profitable for them to create from scratch than to modify existing models.
  • n-kama
    n-kama 28 October 2013 21: 56 New
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    for local conflicts - that’s it
  • Bad_gr
    Bad_gr 29 October 2013 20: 32 New
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    I agree with the opinion that Gantrak is not from a good life, but as a cheap alternative.
    And so, for military operations, there are armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, for police operations - machines like MRAP and our Typhoons. For supply columns - trucks with factory cabin reservation.
    Everything you need is there, it would be bought in the right amount, at least in not calm regions ...