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Alexander Luzan. Ukraine will not save and default

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Alexander Luzan. Ukraine will not save and default


It has never been so bad

It is impossible to speak about the state of the economy of Ukraine without validol. It has never been so bad. Well, maybe only during the Civil War in the last century. But those who remember this are almost no longer alive. At the beginning of 90, the situation was better. Then just let the ruble in free swimming, but there was no such devastation. And there was no war. What can we talk about, if production in Ukraine only in January of this year collapsed by 21%. If during the four years of the reign of Yanukovych and Azarov, the issue of money amounted to 140 billion hryvnia, and in one 2014 year - more than 200 billion hryvnia. It is surprising that the collapse of the hryvnia did not happen in the fall, but only now. And no Gontareva is to blame for this. On the contrary. So long held. Today, take the most brilliant economists - put them at the head of the government and the National Bank, and they will not do anything. Because it's too late to do anything.

Not so long ago, Soros came to Ukraine. At first, he said that Ukraine needed 40 billion dollars right now. When I arrived, I got acquainted with the situation closer - the verdict was unequivocal. The patient is dead. The corpse is numb. Resuscitation is useless. After responded and the IMF. The International Monetary Fund promises to provide Ukraine with financial assistance, but only when the situation in the country becomes stable. Such a statement was made by IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde. Now they will not give money. Lagarde, in particular, stressed that during the determination of financial assistance in the spring of 2014, the IMF proceeded from the assumption that the conflict in Donbass would end before the beginning of winter. But these expectations were not met.

Kiev actually lost the war to the people's militia. Lost to former miners and tractor drivers. Lost to his own people - it's time to surrender, not to conclude a truce. And call a spade a spade. By the way, in Donetsk they did exactly what the Maidan demanded. They took everything from the oligarchs and nationalized, and corruption was defeated. And in Kiev, the oligarchs are enriched - corruption is flourishing. So are our people so stupid and stupid that they are ready to continue shedding blood for corruption and the oligarchs? And to justify all this with the machinations of Russia, which supposedly encroaches on someone there. And continue to believe the same oligarchs and corrupt officials that it is not they, but Russia is to blame. It’s high time for the Kiev authorities to pack their bags and flee this country, otherwise it’s not an hour right on the Maidan and they will hang. And finally, stop this national arrogance, which leads Ukraine to death. And pseudo-patriotism. There are no patriots in a civil war. Because we do not protect the fatherland, but destroy it. And the continuation of the war will only lead to new victims and tanks in Kiev and Lviv. It is time to stop and begin to build good neighborly relations with Russia.

And if the IMF already requires stabilization at the beginning, and then is only ready to provide loans, then everything is completely bad. Ukraine's debts already exceed the size of GDP. This means that even if Ukraine gives up all that remains, it will still not be enough to pay off debts. About any rescue of the economy we are no longer talking. Ukraine is already bankrupt. And the default actually came. Just not properly decorated. And this is the worst of all. We are deceiving ourselves and the whole world. If we can not pay the bills - it is necessary to say so. Because only permanent pre-default state is worse than default.

Default is not so much a problem of Ukraine, as a problem of creditors. That they need to think about what to do in order to return at least something from the money invested in Ukraine. Default is debt restructuring. Some debts will be written off, payments on others are postponed for some time, when Ukraine can really pay for it. The default will allow you to assess the realities and feel the ground under your feet.

By the way, there was a default in Russia in 1998 year. Nothing bad happened. They took off "Kindersurprise" and became Prime Minister Primakov. Yeltsin could not hold his man through the Duma. Well, well, I could not. And then the economy went up. So do not be afraid of the inevitable. It is necessary to go through and go forward once. Of course, the situation is burdened by civil war. And the recognition of default means the same death of the junta as a military defeat, so it will cling to the IMF loan to the last, no matter what.

Against this background, on the one hand, Yatsenyuk’s position weakened somewhat, under which, for the first time since his election, the prime minister’s chair reeled, which immediately affected the voting of deputies in the Rada. On the other hand, this situation is trying to take advantage of Poroshenko, who has intensified the struggle for influence on the decisions made by the government and wants to introduce his man under Yatsenyuk as the first deputy prime minister (his longtime associate Igor Kononenko), with which he resists furiously.

This fact did not go unnoticed by the deputies themselves. Thus, the deputy from the BPP Natalia Novak noted that “there are many people in the BPP and in general in the coalition who are dissatisfied with the prime minister. As in the “Popular Front”, there are probably a lot of people who are not happy with the president. However, the critical boiling point has not yet been reached. Everyone thinks: to remove the premiere - it means that there is a risk of the collapse of the coalition, and then what? After all, many have a lack of perception of the coalition with some factions, so there is no alternative in the current configuration of parliament. So the question is complicated. But, perhaps, he will sooner or later be on the agenda, and not necessarily because of the dissatisfaction of the deputies, but because of the position of the prime minister himself, who decides that he does not control the situation in the country. Although, in my opinion, he does not control it now. ”

This suggests that the IMF loan, if it is allocated to 11 in March, is exactly the same as the US military aid on the eve of the junta’s spring offensive, which does not solve much in the strategic plan for the Kiev junta. The situation has long been turned to the issues of short-term survival, when it is no longer a question of strategy, but only about how to stand for the night, but hold out for the day.
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  1. Shark Lover
    Shark Lover 11 March 2015 04: 52
    +42
    As I understand it, transferring to the household level, you quit your job, sit at home, drink, tired, robbed a neighbor, a second (climbed into debt. You have a table from time to time with them, in a friendly way and telling stories about how you will soon make money. bank, showed crap, gave a loan, you drink on and already ask another bank to give a loan to block this one. As a result, neighbors are enemies, banks are looking for, it’s late to work, you won’t pay everything, even if they take it to Gazprom. It's dangerous to wet creditors, they can change Here is the eternal question - "What to do"))) You can hide in a fool.
    1. svetlomor
      svetlomor 11 March 2015 05: 13
      +70
      Per year:
      The ruble depreciated against the dollar by 2 times.
      -hryvnia depreciated against the dollar 4 times.

      CONCLUSION: European aid is 2 times worse than European sanctions
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 11 March 2015 05: 34
        +18
        Default is not so much the problem of Ukraine as the problem of creditors. They need to think what to do. (from article)


        Hohls, as always transfer their problems to others, think lenders how to save hohls from poverty.
        I would like to ask the author: "But they did not try to work instead of jumping on the Maidans and fighting with their own people."
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 March 2015 06: 53
          +43
          Lost to his own people - it's time to surrender, not to conclude a truce
          President Poroshenko, no, I don’t know. Slavyansk wink
        2. sannych
          sannych 11 March 2015 09: 23
          +9
          Why should they work? Here are some more jumps, they will steal the scammer, they will repaint everything that has not been painted in yellow-blocking colors, and that’s all - here it is the final breakthrough, Ukraine ponad mustache! And you work, say more ...
          1. stoker
            stoker 11 March 2015 12: 18
            +1
            Quote: sannych
            Why should they work? Here are some more jumps, they will steal the scammer, they will repaint everything that has not been painted in yellow-blocking colors, and that’s all - here it is the final breakthrough, Ukraine ponad mustache! And you work, say more ...


            Oh good. Only this is not "symbolism". This is the real coat of arms of Ukraine. And it will be forever if it is not rooted out.
          2. Boos
            Boos 11 March 2015 14: 21
            0
            Now I understand what kind of wood the "rulers" of the outskirts are.)
        3. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 11 March 2015 09: 54
          +5
          And what the hell to work if you can safely chop cabbage from both sides for the resale of Russian resources in Geyrop? That is the whole essence of the "Ukrainian mentality" - to sit for oneself, do not blow in the mustache and just slurp to gape, so that the dumplings themselves would jump there, having previously dipped in sour cream ("The Night Before Birth")
        4. Darkmor
          Darkmor 11 March 2015 11: 53
          +14
          Default is not so much a problem of Ukraine as a problem of creditors.

          Default, this is precisely the problem of Ukraine, and not creditors.
          They need to think what to do in order to return at least something of the money invested in Ukraine.

          From the state always have something to take.
          Default is debt restructuring.

          No - flies separately, cutlets separately.

          The author clearly does not understand the essence of the issue. Among Ukrainians, by the way, there is a similar misconception - that deflot is like a reset button on a computer - clicked, and all the bad things evaporated, you can live on. So, my dear you - in reality, everything is different.

          If you own the Ukraine enterprise, have accumulated debts, and cannot pay off, what happens? Your business property is confiscated and sold to pay off the debt. By the way, this is a very profitable business that allows you to drive a potentially profitable enterprise into debt and buy it for next to nothing.

          What makes you think lenders will forgive your debts? They will take everything that they can take in kind.
          Yes - they cannot take the private property of the population or the oligarchs - but they can take the land on which this property stands.
          They will not be able to force the population to pay the debt directly - but they can pick up, for example, your nuclear power plants and set you electricity prices.
          Default is not a cancellation of debt. This is an opportunity to pay off debt with assets whose sale under normal conditions no one would approve of.

          By the way, in Russia there was a default in 1998.

          Did not have. What you called deflot was only a fiction.
          Roughly speaking, the Russian Federation said "we are declaring a default, but we will return the debts a little later. And you do not swear and do not demand immediate compensation with property and state assets (because we will not give them back to you anyway) - and everyone will be happy"
          The government allowed to delay payments on external loans of banks, under the pretext of default. External lenders agreed to wait with these payments, again, justifying themselves to investors with the pretext of default. And as a result, interest payments and debts were closed a little later and everyone was satisfied. No one wrote off debts from the Russian Federation.

          Differences from Ukraine are only two, but very fundamental:
          Firstly, the Russian Federation could repay debts, albeit with a delay, and this was clear to everyone.
          Secondly, in the Russian Federation then the helm was still not entirely controlled by the EU government, there was an army with nuclear weapons - and in such circumstances it was pointless to demand repayment of debt by state assets, and this was also clear to everyone.
          And Ukraine has a puppet government that will sign everything that they say to it - even if it goes against the constitution (for example, selling territory to another state). The army of Ukraine is no longer a danger, the opposition, capable of outrage, is cleaned up.
          The patient is both mentally and physically ready for preparation.

          Ukrainians, you know - default, as salvation, is also a myth that you are fed. You, as a patient donor, are told that after anesthesia he will not feel anything, there will be only a small scar - but life will improve.
          1. xan
            xan 11 March 2015 14: 04
            +2
            Quote: Darkmor
            By the way, in Russia there was a default in 1998.

            Did not have. What you called deflot was only a fiction.
            Roughly speaking, the Russian Federation said "we are declaring a default, but we will return the debts a little later. And you do not swear and do not demand immediate compensation with property and state assets (because we will not give them back to you anyway) - and everyone will be happy"
            The government allowed to delay payments on external loans of banks, under the pretext of default. External lenders agreed to wait with these payments, again, justifying themselves to investors with the pretext of default. And as a result, interest payments and debts were closed a little later and everyone was satisfied. No one wrote off debts from the Russian Federation.

            This is all the lyrics, letters, this is secondary. But the main thing is that Russia had something to repay debts. It was only necessary to fasten the oligarchs and force them to pay taxes, and redirect the loot to the budget with excise taxes instead of the pockets of the oligarchs. Ukraine has only wheat left, but it is not enough. And it’s useless to dispossess oligarchs, their business will soon become unprofitable, if not already. Finita la comedy.
          2. starley
            starley 11 March 2015 21: 43
            0
            calculated by chernozem, in Ukraine in bulk
      2. domokl
        domokl 11 March 2015 05: 37
        +15
        At present, Ukraine is indeed a corpse. Everyone understands this. And removing a rabbit from a position is beneficial only to a rabbit.
        Loans are now so tightened that you can breathe only with the permission of the creditors. Allow, take a sigh. Do not allow, eyes on the forehead ...
        But, on the other hand, these same loans become a guarantee of the preservation of power in its current form. Change the government, with whom to ask a debt?
        So, it seems to me that Ukraine completely lost its independence, became a banana republic, but retained what is called the people's power laughing So, we are waiting for a riot in other regions. Reforms in the economy have already begun. 75% of Ukrainians have been thrown out of poverty ...
        1. vlade99
          vlade99 11 March 2015 07: 13
          +5
          Quote: domokl
          Loans are now so tight

          It seems that waiting for them is pointless. Europe has the same ...
          1. 23 region
            23 region 11 March 2015 09: 49
            +8

            vlade99 RU  Today, 07:13 ↑ New
            Quote: domokl

            Loans are now so tight

            It seems that waiting for them is pointless. Europe has the same ...
        2. xan
          xan 11 March 2015 14: 12
          +1
          Quote: domokl
          But, on the other hand, these same loans become a guarantee of the preservation of power in its current form. Change the government, with whom to ask a debt?

          It doesn’t scare anyone there. Neither Poroshenko, nor this entire state-owned company will personally give loans. They are only afraid of reprisal, both on the part of the people and their masters. From the owners are much more afraid.
      3. Kostyar
        Kostyar 11 March 2015 06: 14
        +9
        Ukrainian territory is now tse Europa, for debts will be taken into account !!! Only without people, what for Europe jumping parasites parasites ....
        1. Eragon
          Eragon 11 March 2015 07: 19
          +4
          Quote: Bone
          Ukrainian territory is now tse Europa, for debts will be taken into account !!! Only without people, what for Europe jumping parasites parasites ....

          There are always options. And not the most pan-propaganda ones. For example, a revolution, a real one, with a complete replacement of power at all levels, to nationalize industry, abandon debts (to whom they gave, let them repay), with the proposal to confiscate assets abroad to pay part of the debts. In short, read the story, the year that way with 1917. Everything is described there.
          1. RBLip
            RBLip 11 March 2015 09: 03
            0
            Quote: Eragon
            There are always options. And not the most pan-propaganda ones. For example, a revolution, a real one, with a complete replacement of power at all levels, to nationalize industry, abandon debts (to whom they gave, let them repay), with the proposal to confiscate assets abroad to pay part of the debts. In short, read the story, the year that way with 1917. Everything is described there.

            such an option in the current realities will not work. You are comparing an empire and its fragment. And the creditors of Khakhlov are very toothy. so it’s unlikely that such a feint will pass through the ears.
            1. Eragon
              Eragon 11 March 2015 11: 19
              +1
              Quote: RBLip
              Quote: Eragon
              There are always options. And not the most pan-propaganda ones. For example, a revolution, a real one, with a complete replacement of power at all levels, to nationalize industry, abandon debts (to whom they gave, let them repay), with the proposal to confiscate assets abroad to pay part of the debts. In short, read the story, the year that way with 1917. Everything is described there.

              such an option in the current realities will not work. You are comparing an empire and its fragment. And the creditors of Khakhlov are very toothy. so it’s unlikely that such a feint will pass through the ears.

              And who said that the "splinter" will remain one on one with the "toothy" ones? The Ukrainian economy is tied to Russia, there will be markets and resources. Not heaven, of course, but the abyss will not disappear. And then let them be a normal country, work themselves and rely on themselves, and in time everything will be all right. No matter what they say, no matter how they try to distort history, we are one people.
              1. RBLip
                RBLip 11 March 2015 13: 08
                +1
                Quote: Eragon
                And who said that the "splinter" will remain one on one with the "toothy" ones? The Ukrainian economy is tied to Russia, there will be markets and resources. Not heaven, of course, but the abyss will not disappear. And then let them be a normal country, work themselves and rely on themselves, and in time everything will be all right. No matter what they say, no matter how they try to distort history, we are one people.

                the fact of the matter is that we are no longer one nation. well, they don’t want to. For more than 20 years, they washed their brains. They don’t want to work themselves, hoping for mythical loans and subsidies from geyrops. they jump and hutskraynichayut, yes. in order to become a normal country, you need to have normal brains, and with that, at the very moment b-a-a-alshoy strained. From the moment of the collapse, Russia only did what it fed, gave work, loans, free energy prices, and sales, often to its own detriment. understood, appreciated? not a fig.
              2. xan
                xan 11 March 2015 14: 16
                +1
                Quote: Eragon
                And who said that the "splinter" will remain one on one with the "toothy" ones? The Ukrainian economy is tied to Russia, there will be markets and resources.

                Yeah right now! Russia does not need this. We all remember. So do it yourself.
            2. vtnsk
              vtnsk 11 March 2015 11: 21
              0
              Quote: RBLip
              such an option in the current realities will not work. You are comparing an empire and its fragment. And the creditors of Khakhlov are very toothy. so it’s unlikely that such a feint will pass through the ears.

              How can you "ride". Do you think in vain that the GDP constantly insists on the "integrity" of Ukraine and does not allow the "Novorossiya" project to be "rolled into asphalt"? If the VSN enters Kiev and stops only at the Dniester, this could severely break the teeth of the current "creditors" of Ukraine. However, the "creditors" also know about this, and therefore they will fight for the "square" to the last Ukrainians ... hi
          2. NordUral
            NordUral 11 March 2015 12: 54
            +2
            Sensible advice to the people of Ukraine. Yes, and we should think about it in future elections. In principle, we have the same situation, only a little smoother. Oligarchic power has nowhere else in the country led to prosperity.
          3. xan
            xan 11 March 2015 14: 26
            +2
            Quote: Eragon
            There are always options. And not the most pan-propaganda ones. For example, a revolution, a real one, with a complete replacement of power at all levels, to nationalize industry, abandon debts (to whom they gave, let them repay), with the proposal to confiscate assets abroad to pay part of the debts. In short, read the story, the year that way with 1917. Everything is described there.

            Complete nonsense, there are no options. Although, by the way, there is one thing - the complete closure of borders so that the able-bodied population does not run away, work for food, almost complete rejection of imports, and the development of science and technology on enthusiasm. And take everything advanced from abroad, so as not to slip into the North Korean model. All these nishtyaki for one generation at least, if dill wants to remain a state within its current borders. Approximately this path went Japan and South Korea. And it is not necessary to compare with the USSR of 1917, Russia always had resources that dill did not have.
            In my opinion, help from aliens is more real.
      4. ARES623
        ARES623 11 March 2015 06: 51
        +8
        Quote: svetlomor
        Per year:
        The ruble depreciated against the dollar by 2 times.
        -hryvnia depreciated against the dollar 4 times.

        CONCLUSION: European aid is 2 times worse than European sanctions

        Such a comparison is not entirely correct, in my opinion. With the total dependence of domestic consumption on imports, the fall of the hryvnia directly affects the price tags in stores and, almost instantly, drops the standard of living of the population. The civil war initiated by the government leads to unproductive costs and turns off the huge masses of the working-age population from the economy. At the same time, the fall of the ruble played the role of customs protective duties and in a peculiar way stimulated domestic production, forced the ruble to work inside the country, stimulated the organization of jobs, which somewhat offset the losses from sanctions. One of the VO articles contains such data - for 2014, 237 various production facilities were launched in the Russian Federation. In short, it worked like a vaccine on the immune system. Death and the increase of life opportunities - how to put it in numbers.
      5. Border guard
        Border guard 11 March 2015 10: 24
        +1
        I’ll make a correction: the hryvnia is no longer in 4, but in 3. For the dollar 21,7 today. At the interbank 21,5-21,8. I don’t know what they are doing there, but 10 days ago it was 30,01 per dollar.
        1. Fin
          Fin 11 March 2015 10: 44
          +4
          Quote: Border Guard
          I’ll make a correction: the hryvnia is no longer in 4, but in 3. For the dollar 21,7 today. At the interbank 21,5-21,8. I don’t know what they are doing there, but 10 days ago it was 30,01 per dollar.

          I’ll make a correction too. Large importers submit an application for greens to the NBU for purchases abroad, but they are refused, hence the artificial depreciation. This cannot go on for long, and therefore, after the IMF’s decision, there will be what should be 32 or more. In general, Ukraine will save only the collapse (section) into several independent states.
        2. svd-xnumx
          svd-xnumx 11 March 2015 11: 01
          +1
          I don’t know what they are doing there, but 10 days ago it was 30,01 per dollar.
          What they do is understandable; no one has hryvnia to buy foreign currency, but you can’t get a loan from the bank for this, the key rate is 30%.
        3. vtnsk
          vtnsk 11 March 2015 11: 28
          +1
          Quote: Border Guard
          I don't know what they do there

          Most likely (because Ukraine's gold reserves - the cat cried) due to the additional emission of hryvnia, they buy up surplus $$$ on the currency exchange and thereby artificially reduce the "rate". But this is a temporary measure, and in the near future (as soon as the funds from the currency exchange enter the trade turnover), the "rate" can easily quickly slide down with a "swift jack" ... hi
    2. uge.garik
      uge.garik 11 March 2015 06: 31
      +1
      Dill.?! War on Poland.?! .?, and what is the way out of default too ...
    3. Serge Mikhas
      Serge Mikhas 11 March 2015 07: 29
      +2
      "- well, now it's gone, the Kalabukhov house has disappeared." ©
      1. Dembel77
        Dembel77 11 March 2015 08: 23
        +3
        Kiev actually lost the war to the people's militia. The country has a pre-default state, and in Kiev the oligarchs are enriched as if nothing had happened. The National Guard in the Donbass patriotically stubbornly continues the war. The people in Ukraine are silent, with rare exceptions, only sometimes noisy in the depths of somewhere. Why is this happening? The explanation on the surface is that the oligarchs, led by Poroshenko, in front of their inevitable shameful end plunder and pull away the last thing that can still be plundered and stolen and transported over a hill, and the people are silent and quietly from each other steal glancing towards Russia in the stupid hope that they will come a good uncle and put things in order and you don’t need to eat up your NZ, which was bought on the rainy day (which they smell like ass) - well, in the National Guard only svidomyi thugs who can only act as patriotic heroes and their future become fertilizer on fields of Donbass. Well, how will it end? Yes, everything is simple, like twice two - the people, when they finish the last and understand that there will be no help from anywhere, will begin to make noise louder. By that time, the oligarchs, led by Poroshenko, had plundered, stolen and transported the remnants over the hill, and dumped themselves. The last National Guard, who are lucky not to become fertilizer in the fields of Donbass - will tear their own people. That's all. The curtain!
    4. sannych
      sannych 11 March 2015 08: 21
      +24
      As I understand it, transferring to the household level, you quit your job, sit at home, drink, get tired, robbed a neighbor, the second (got into debt.
      You could say that
      1. Vend
        Vend 11 March 2015 09: 48
        0
        You take other people's money on credit, and you give yours and many times more.
    5. sent-onere
      sent-onere 11 March 2015 13: 39
      0
      As long as the economy is able to meet the needs of the army, population and state structures, the state will wage war, even if its army suffers defeat after defeat. As soon as the economy “collapses”, the collapse of the state or surrender becomes inevitable.
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    7. Kitrouve
      Kitrouve 11 March 2015 14: 23
      0
      looting is legalized by the authorities and a man going to war first of all thinks about profit - kill him and you won’t have anything - your skin - you took it off subhuman - you are a hero !!! CREATURES KILL SOON ...
  2. Ivan Slavyanin
    Ivan Slavyanin 11 March 2015 05: 05
    +23
    The events in Crimea a year ago met the interests of the majority of the inhabitants of the peninsula, and the question of formulating the actions of Russia, which are characterized by people of different views differently, is nothing more than sophistry. This was stated in an interview with the Latvian Radio-4 program “Alexander Studio” by the deputy of the Sejm, representative of the Commission on Human Rights and Public Affairs Regina Lochmele-Luneva (“Consent”).

    The politician noted that she herself is a native of Simferopol and maintains contact with relatives living there. According to her, her relatives are glad to reunite the peninsula with Russia. “When I called my relatives in Crimea, they said:“ We are happy. ” This was after the referendum. They are in a good mood today, ”said Lochmele-Luneva.

    The deputy also made it clear that only those who were not in the Crimea and Ukraine in general can hold opinions on the deterioration of life on the peninsula after leaving Ukraine. “When I was there in the early 2000s, there was not a single kindergarten in Dzhankoy, there was no hot water and people washed themselves in basins. I did not find my uncle just because he was catching gobies on the Crimean Canal, and the whole family was harvesting gobies in a tomato - two refrigerators for the winter, just to survive. All work in the city, for the whole city of Dzhankoy - a major railway junction! - either at the station (having paid a bribe for this in the amount of an annual salary), or at a bakery, receiving a salary by bread, or at a cannery where salaries were paid by squash caviar. Those who have not been to Ukraine can be guided by these legends - how cool it was, and how everything became bad now. I went there every year for six years in a row. This is the richest country that has been robbed for 20 years, ”the politician said.
    1. KOH
      KOH 11 March 2015 05: 17
      +2
      Apparently not everyone has gone crazy in the geyrop ...
    2. Момент
      Момент 11 March 2015 05: 20
      +33
      I think that they will tolerate small rallies with subsequent beatings, etc., but for the new Maidan there is no strength, money, no ideological people (given the fact that the junta is very quickly cracking down on those who are objectionable). Unless the militia will be ready to help the rest Ukraine. But here the insight of the people themselves is needed.
      1. 66 Division IRA
        66 Division IRA 11 March 2015 05: 51
        +1
        The people of Donbass could and can, the people of the rest of Ukraine turned into Zombies, besides, they were caught between a rock and a hard place of the RF / EURO or vice versa EURO / RF as you wish.
  3. Georgy USSR
    Georgy USSR 11 March 2015 05: 07
    +3
    Exactly, the Ukrainian people are stupid and deaf.
  4. SveTok
    SveTok 11 March 2015 05: 30
    +1
    Parash bit his bit and cannot stop, therefore they will lose city after city following Kharkov and Melitopol.
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 11 March 2015 06: 27
      +2
      Quote: SveTok
      next Kharkov and Melitopol.

      Mariupol probably? And then Melitopol, Kherson and beyond wink
  5. Andrea
    Andrea 11 March 2015 05: 49
    +2
    Default is not default, what difference does it make? As long as the Nazi oligarchs are in power, everything will be as it is. Because of stupidity and arrogance, no one perceives reality, what needs to be done to make people wake up?
    Obviously a catastrophe is akin to a catastrophe in Germany in World War II. Then it was the brains that were set right, were vaccinated for many years.
    So default is not advisable right now. Let Ukraine be brought to full .... (disaster)
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 March 2015 05: 51
    +2
    Default is not so much a problem of Ukraine as a problem of creditors


    This is not a problem for creditors. They will take from you your territories. But for you this is no longer even a problem, but a complete paragraph. So much for "Ukraine tse Europe".
    1. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 11 March 2015 06: 28
      +1
      Probably lead to this. And parts of Ukraine will become the backyards of Europe.
      1. vtnsk
        vtnsk 11 March 2015 11: 32
        0
        Quote: Hagalaz
        And parts of Ukraine will become the backyards of Europe.

        Russia will not allow it. New Russia - forever !!! smile
    2. vtnsk
      vtnsk 11 March 2015 11: 35
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      That is not a problem for lenders

      For creditors, the "problem" (huge !!!) is the presence of Russia nearby, which has its own point of view on the future of the so-called. "Ukraine" and is ready to defend it not only with speeches in the UN Security Council, but also with something else (more significant and effective) ... hi
      PS "And who will disagree - turn off the gas" (C) ...
  7. tuts
    tuts 11 March 2015 06: 13
    +1
    Default is the depreciation of the national currency and the foreign lender is not in particular threatened with problems. As always, the population will have problems
    And you (the author) probably mean the bankruptcy of the country which creditors themselves will not allow, since this is a procedure for writing off debts
    IMHO Most likely, Ukraine will introduce external control (foreign troops are already inviting) and make another colony (but this is really bad for the country's population)
  8. 23424636
    23424636 11 March 2015 06: 14
    +1
    put Boyko Vladimir Semenovich as the prime minister and you will see how the country will be transformed - there is no reason for Westerners to manage production only to steal this great man in the Donbass made an oasis of socialism until Yanukovych and Akhmetov twisted it - ask anyone in Mariupol and its environs for confirmation.
    1. xan
      xan 11 March 2015 15: 41
      +1
      Quote: 23424636
      put Boyko Vladimir Semenovich as prime minister and see how the country changes

      Mr. Boyko also needs the economic situation + Russia's location.
  9. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 11 March 2015 06: 29
    0
    Only the Russian people will save Ukraine!
    1. D-Master
      D-Master 11 March 2015 06: 49
      +14
      As a representative of this people, I absolutely do not want to save this galloping, screaming herd. On the contrary. I am eager to watch the collapse of this 404 country. Her crushing into pieces and pleas to the mother of Russia for accession. I will never forget these flyers:
      1. oracul
        oracul 11 March 2015 09: 01
        +4
        This was played by the elite in all union republics - Russia eats all, all will give independence. The brains of people just turned off in anticipation of abundance. As for the national elites with their minions, they really began to live better, however, at the expense of their people. For that fought for it and ran.
      2. xan
        xan 11 March 2015 14: 40
        0
        Quote: D-Master
        As a representative of this people, I absolutely do not want to save this galloping, screaming herd

        More than a year ago, during the Maidan in Kiev, even Yanukovych did not run away, he read the post of one Kievite on "However". She wrote that the victory of the Maidan would end in a terrible disaster for Ukraine, and that she would kiss the ground under the tracks of Russian tanks if Putin helped Yanukovych to disperse the Maidan.
        Then it looked like an excess, a little wild. As she looked into the water.
    2. RusDV
      RusDV 11 March 2015 06: 52
      +3
      Quote: Tartar 174
      Only the Russian people will save Ukraine!

      It is unlikely. She died so died. When the convulsions are over, throw the corpse to the West and help Novorossiya. If the size of the future Novorossiya is not half of today's Ukraine, but almost all of it, so much the better. But the very word "Ukraine" is beginning to evoke, excuse the directness, disgust ...
      1. xan
        xan 11 March 2015 14: 45
        0
        Quote: RusDV
        It is unlikely. She died so died. When the convulsions are over, throw the corpse to the West and help Novorossiya. If the size of the future Novorossiya is not half of today's Ukraine, but almost all of it, so much the better. But the very word "Ukraine" is beginning to evoke, excuse the directness, disgust ...

        Totally for! I have nothing against non-Natsik Ukrainians.
        I am a Petersburger, ancestors from the Kherson region.
    3. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 11 March 2015 16: 25
      0
      Quote: Tartar 174
      Only the Russian people will save Ukraine!

      If he wants ... wink
  10. uge.garik
    uge.garik 11 March 2015 06: 44
    +1
    And when the same rake, tumblers will become ... Straight trouble, with the assimilation of historical lessons ...
  11. aszzz888
    aszzz888 11 March 2015 06: 52
    +1
    Kiev actually lost the war to the people's militia.


    I think that the agony of the rabid ukroshakala will be protracted. The Nazis will still pull a lot of people into the grave.
  12. fomkin
    fomkin 11 March 2015 07: 01
    +1
    I wonder how much this bums will last.
  13. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 11 March 2015 07: 03
    +1
    Without Russia, Ukrainians can’t survive anyway. and Russia has its own conditions, the current government is imprisoned, along with banderlogs, and then a conversation about the future.
    1. Tambov Wolf
      Tambov Wolf 11 March 2015 13: 29
      0
      You are too merciful. Not to prison, but to the scaffold, with a quartering, for all that you have done to the country and the people.
  14. Turk
    Turk 11 March 2015 07: 20
    +1
    Quote: Shark Lover
    You can hide in a fool.

    So they have long been registered there. Even doctors bypass them.
  15. Wolka
    Wolka 11 March 2015 07: 22
    +1
    so it turns out that the hard workers and peasants in Russian cities and villages will once again have to tighten their belts, because Russia, being the main lender, is not getting a refund, and will again be forced to once again raise the economy of Ukraine, in order to somehow to get something from her, it's just disgusting ...
  16. nivander
    nivander 11 March 2015 07: 54
    +3
    remove the arrogance, forget about the freebie, drive the Vikings and State Department agents, stop the stupid war, spit on the EU otherwise ....
  17. atamankko
    atamankko 11 March 2015 08: 33
    +3
    Ukrainians you try to work, not
    fight, believe me, it will help.
  18. wanderer
    wanderer 11 March 2015 09: 01
    +2
    Ukraine was hemorrhoids for RUSSIA, became - HEMORROIDA WORLD !!! ... THIS SHOULD BE WELL TO TRY ON.
  19. Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 11 March 2015 09: 15
    +1
    the author is right. late to eat hepatene, if bilirubin 500, you have cancer, accept condolences and buy sheets.
  20. maxxdesign
    maxxdesign 11 March 2015 09: 31
    +1
    But if you announce that Ukraine will be saved only if you give all the money in the country for debts, including all the money that is in the hands of citizens .. up to a penny ... then I would see how many patriots the ruins will give for the chance of saving the economy! the ranks of patriots will decrease sharply!
  21. Viktor Kudinov
    Viktor Kudinov 11 March 2015 09: 36
    +1
    The only thing that Ukrainians can do smart in this situation is to remove their power, as it did not meet their expectations and replace it with another power that will work in the interests of the whole people. feel
  22. EvgNik
    EvgNik 11 March 2015 09: 38
    +3
    Not so long ago Soros came to Ukraine. At first, he said that Ukraine needed $ 40 billion right now. When I arrived, I got acquainted with the situation closer - the verdict was unequivocal. The patient is dead. The corpse is stiff.

    Well, if Soros said that there is nothing more to steal, then it remains to wash his hands and step aside (the entire ruling clique).
  23. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 11 March 2015 11: 13
    0
    The hangover after the Maidan will be severe.
    Strange Ukrainians - they are ready to lick anyone’s ass and suck horseradish even from a Niger or an Arab, just to annoy a relative.
  24. vtnsk
    vtnsk 11 March 2015 11: 38
    0
    "There is no story sadder in the world than news about the Ukrainian budget" ... laughing
  25. Dan Slav
    Dan Slav 11 March 2015 11: 47
    +1
    How I ban for Ukraine!
    Yes, and to hell with them!
    It is necessary to engage in their own country! To the rupe did not fall twice, and at least stood as it should! )))
    Let it not even fall! )
    Ukraine is also important for our ali-garhs! As an example, they say, look what will happen when the Nazis and punishers come to power. Sit and be silent, and don’t raise your heads, and don’t ask questions!
    Here, too, steal is not childish! Otherwise, the country would live in abundance even at this difficult time!
  26. Bormental
    Bormental 11 March 2015 11: 50
    0
    "It is impossible to talk about the state of the Ukrainian economy without validol" - more precisely, without haloperidol.
  27. Kolyma_
    Kolyma_ 11 March 2015 12: 42
    +1
    Colleagues. Russia needs Russia and more than anyone else. This is our land. Our brothers are Slavs. Our history and our roots. Just ki, provoked another fratricidal war on our territory. We got caught again, like 100 years ago. We got divorced again. And it’s sad, we don’t learn from our mistakes. Again brother kills brother. Again the counter raised her head. More precisely, she did not lower her.
    And the question of survival, on this planet, for us Slavs is a constant readiness to fight, to protect our territory and independence. The nation, the peoples of Russia must be consolidated. First of all, laying in children, i.e. into future generations, healthy ideas. Ideas of greatness and power of the nation. It is necessary to prepare people strong in mind and body. Admittedly, we passed ... Mistakes need to be fixed now, not too late. The situation is favorable. The authorities have the right leader and are moving in the right direction.
    1. xan
      xan 11 March 2015 15: 11
      0
      Quote: Kolyma_
      Colleagues. Russia needs Russia and more than anyone else. This is our land. Our brothers are Slavs.

      Our in the Donbass, burned Odessa, and 300 Cossacks from yesterday's article. And also that woman who wanted to fill a face to the Nikolaev measure on May 9. It is full of ours, but not all.
      But ours are already the most evil there.
  28. Moncyber
    Moncyber 11 March 2015 15: 33
    0
    Quote: domokl
    At present, Ukraine is indeed a corpse. Everyone understands this. And removing a rabbit from a position is beneficial only to a rabbit.
    Loans are now so tightened that you can breathe only with the permission of the creditors. Allow, take a sigh. Do not allow, eyes on the forehead ...
    But, on the other hand, these same loans become a guarantee of the preservation of power in its current form. Change the government, with whom to ask a debt?
    So, it seems to me that Ukraine completely lost its independence, became a banana republic, but retained what is called the people's power laughing So, we are waiting for a riot in other regions. Reforms in the economy have already begun. 75% of Ukrainians have been thrown out of poverty ...

    I agree. The rabbit will soon fall to the states.
  29. Zolotse
    Zolotse 11 March 2015 15: 49
    0
    Quote: svetlomor
    Per year:
    The ruble depreciated against the dollar by 2 times.
    -hryvnia depreciated against the dollar 4 times.

    CONCLUSION: European aid is 2 times worse than European sanctions

    Thank you very clearly described the situation. Very figuratively. Bravo!
  30. andrew42
    andrew42 11 March 2015 19: 19
    0
    In the current situation, de-industrialization awaits Ukraine. Separated from the Russian economy, with industrial goods unnecessary to anyone in the West. At the same time, the West will gladly help to finish off any Ukrainian production previously exported. Only business, nothing personal. It would be possible to reorient to agricultural production, but there is nowhere to sell products except to Russia, unless dumping at a loss. In the EU, and so on with those who want to supply agricultural products: Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, not to mention Western European producers. In addition, in the near future, it seems that Ukrainian products will be in demand on the domestic market, and even may not be enough. There is also a transit gas pipe, but it will dry out soon. It remains only to hand over the territory for nuclear waste, and for the deployment of foreign military bases. In any case, the junta has only one way to delay the full economic collapse for a while - to unleash the war and utilize the population, while squeezing out part of the population outside according to the Latvian version. Under the war, the West will give some money, of course, on credit. In Ukraine, they have been procrastinating for so long about the Holodomor that it seems that in speed the urban population will be able to find out what it is in practice. It is a pity, but this will affect primarily the most unprotected ones - the elderly and state employees. Someone is lucky to get Western humanitarian aid, but someone is not.