Turkmenistan purchases anti-ship systems and air defense systems from MBDA Italy

Edition Jane's International Defense Review reports that MBDA's Italian manufacturing segment is supplying naval armament to Turkmenistan. Armament on the shores of the Caspian Sea will be sent within the project with a very specific name - Tetris.

According to the publication, MBDA Italy will supply the customer with the Otomat Mk 2 anti-ship missile systems and light anti-ship missile systems Marte Mk 2 / N. The contract says about the supply of Ashgabat SAMs SIMBAD-RC.

These weapons, apparently, will have to appear on the NTPB patrol boats of the Turkish project. Today, such boats are assembled in the territory of Turkmenistan itself - at the Ufra plant (the city of Turkmenbashi). Assembly sections for the plant are supplied from Turkey. The patrol boats of such a project are in service with the state border service of Turkmenistan.

It should be noted that Turkmenistan is positioning itself as a neutral state, and arms purchases from the Italian company are the largest in recent years.

Comments

[takeoff]

The devil himself will not understand these neutral Turkmen.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Well, if Turkmenistan began to arm itself ..))) Everything will begin soon! Waiting for the death of Nazarbayev ..

[jjj]

There is such a life streak closer to the end of the years, when you realize that you can't do anything big and significant anymore. Zhvanetsky has the following lines about this: "I will never take a cruiser out into a stormy sea ..."
But the leader of the shepherds and nomads Gurbanguly Myalikgulyevich Berdimuhamedov decided to withdraw the squadron into the sea. Let not cruisers, but still not inflatable boats and tonnage more than Poroshenko

[hydrox]

However, Berdymukhamedov begins to understand that it is impossible for an unarmed person to sit on the shore of a beach surrounded by "enemies": Iran, Azerbaijan, Russia and Kazakhstan - a typical reaction like a sprat: "Everybody wants to seize us and take our gas away from us! There is enough money not to call for NATO aid! "
The Taliban will come to the Turkmens through the mountains, and not from the sea, and the Turkmens by no means will be able to counter them!

[pts-m]

they will come to the "sea Taliban". wise .... Bashi so seen. Armed, meaning protected.

[dmi.pris1]

As for the leader of the shepherds, you are in vain ... This "Old Man" will be worse than Nazarbayev, and he conducts a correct policy towards his people. Our politicians will still learn from the Turkmens how to properly conduct the economy and social affairs ...

Quote: jjj

There is such a life streak closer to the end of the years, when you realize that you can't do anything big and significant anymore. Zhvanetsky has the following lines about this: "I will never take a cruiser out into a stormy sea ..."
But the leader of the shepherds and nomads Gurbanguly Myalikgulyevich Berdimuhamedov decided to withdraw the squadron into the sea. Let not cruisers, but still not inflatable boats and tonnage more than Poroshenko

[Trailer]

Quote: MIKHAN

Everything will begin soon! Waiting for the death of Nazarbayev ..

Tipun to your tongue. The whole region is arming, for in the summer there will be a marine biathlon in the Caspian. And no one wants to face dirt.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Karavan

Quote: MIKHAN

Everything will begin soon! Waiting for the death of Nazarbayev ..

Tipun to your tongue. The whole region is arming, for in the summer there will be a marine biathlon in the Caspian. And no one wants to face dirt.

Ugh, ugh .. But "biathlon" in Asia will be like in Ukraine .. The US will throw a match and rush.! But Russia will no longer call on the UN, and so on ... We will wet it right away and don’t care .. (which side of the skullcap ..)

[GSVG]

DON'T NEED SO LIKE! DO-O-O-LONG YEARS OF LIFE TO HIM-N.A.NAZARBAYEV !!! Oooooooo sober politician and patriot devoted to the people !!! For more of these in the post-Soviet space !!!

[guard]

tipun to your tongue .. no need to CROP.

[SAXA.SHURA]

What kind of talk, why Nazarbayev should die, you carry some kind of crap.

[SALLAK]

What will start ??? And what does Nazarbayev have to do with it ??? And it is a stretch to call it "arm" ... so bought on the occasion ...

[SteelRatTV]

In the end, every country has the right to defense. But the mentioned complexes are defensive. And, it seems to me, the air defense systems are designed to reduce the influence on the policy of the favorite methods of mattresses (using airstrikes).

[Simon]

And it seems to me that they were wasting money on nothing. If any hostilities begin, there will be problems with delivery from Italy with spare parts and combat stocks of missiles. It would be better if they bought something like that in Russia. From Russia it can be delivered along the Volga and the Caspian directly to Turkmenistan.

[virm]

Iran wanted to buy a c300 from us. Not sold. You could even say - they threw it.

[bekjan]

Arabs, Persians, people are very suspicious, at first they shake hands and at the same time think how to throw with maximum benefit for themselves.

[hydrox]

This is the liber position of Plyushik, then he was a prezik.
The Persians filed a lawsuit, and Russia is now trying to appease the Persians in pre-trial procedure :: Now we are persuading the Persians to take Antei-2500 systems from us instead of the S-300 (supposedly we removed the S-300 from production ), but they already want the S-400 ...

[virm]

"My friend Dmitry and I are of the same blood." V.V. Putin

[serega.fedotov]

Quote: SteelRatTV

In the end, every country has the right to defense. But the mentioned complexes are defensive. And, it seems to me, the air defense systems are designed to reduce the influence on the policy of the favorite methods of mattresses (using airstrikes).

In addition to Turkmenistan in the Caspian, only Russia, Kazakhstan, and Iran! And where are the mattresses here ?!
Despite the fact that both Iran and Kazakhstan have a land border with Turkmenistan, they have ANTI-CABLE mixes do not care!
It is unfortunate that this is a pebble in our garden, though small! But the fact itself is unpleasant!

[kuz363]

More Azerbaijan!

[bekjan]

Turkmenistan is a strategic partner of China and Turkey, which have territorial claims to Our Lands. We should not lose sight of such "little things" from which a whole armada begins.

[dmi.pris1]

They forgot about Azerbaijan ..... that means the Turks are present .. Not everything is so simple.

Quote: serega.fedotov

Quote: SteelRatTV

In the end, every country has the right to defense. But the mentioned complexes are defensive. And, it seems to me, the air defense systems are designed to reduce the influence on the policy of the favorite methods of mattresses (using airstrikes).

In addition to Turkmenistan in the Caspian, only Russia, Kazakhstan, and Iran! And where are the mattresses here ?!
Despite the fact that both Iran and Kazakhstan have a land border with Turkmenistan, they have ANTI-CABLE mixes do not care!
It is unfortunate that this is a pebble in our garden, though small! But the fact itself is unpleasant!

[hydrox]

Maybe explain: how can mattress planes appear over the Caspian waters?

[dmi.pris1]

Georgia is nearby, in which case the airspace of Azerbaijan does not count ... It could easily appear ...

Quote: hydrox

Maybe explain: how can mattress planes appear over the Caspian waters?

[Tarhan]

Quote: SteelRatTV

In the end, every country has the right to defense.

Of course it does. And what kind of weapons he wants. There is nothing tragic about this. If Russia, Kazakhstan ... recognize the right to self-defense, then why should Turkmenistan be deprived of this.

The fact that Turkmenistan is strengthening and arming its boats is not a threat to anyone. This does not mean that Turkmenistan wants to attack someone.

And about mattresses this is another pseudo-patriotic cheer. Uroshniks have everywhere and everywhere US actions. At the Turkmen donkey, a pimple on his ass jumped up - definitely not without amers. The Aral Sea has dried up - so documents appeared on a bare bottom that it was the Americans in Soviet times who had a hand in drying out. In my garden, cucumbers wilted - now I know that the Americans sent a conspiracy.

[avvg]

The Afghans will not allow the Turkmens to be neutral; they need to strengthen the better borders with Afghanistan than to buy anti-ship systems.

[Viktor Kudinov]

What to do if Turkmenistan wants to be a great Caspian power! I have to reckon with this.

[Dembel77]

In documents signed following the results of the IV Caspian Summit on September 29, 2014, a zone is established
the national sovereignty of each Party over the coastal sea area within 15 nautical miles and the exclusive rights of each Party to extract aquatic biological resources within the adjacent 10 nautical miles. And Turkmenistan is likely to patrol this area using patrol boats NTPB of the Turkish arms project, which will supply Ashgabat with MBDA Italy (anti-ship missile systems Otomat Mk 2 and light anti-ship missile systems Marte Mk 2 / N). The contract also says about the supply of SIMBAD-RC air defense systems to Ashgabat.
(...) In the framework of ensuring a stable balance of arms of the Parties on the Caspian Sea, the implementation of military construction within reasonable sufficiency, taking into account the interests of all Parties, and without prejudice to each other's security. (...) Regarding the legal status of the Caspian, the fifth Caspian summit will be held in 2015 in the Republic of Kazakhstan.
Venezuela is testing an anti-ship missile Otomat mk 2, with a range of up to 180 km.

[Kuznik]

I took information from the source - bmpd.livejournal.com/1212781.html

According to Jane's International Defense Review in Richard Scott's article "Unfinished business: Marte missile line evolves to seek new targets", MBDA Italy (the Italian branch of the European MBDA) is implementing the Tetris project to supply naval missile weapons to an officially unnamed customer ... According to the publication of the magazine, this customer is Turkmenistan.
Within the framework of the "Tetris" MBDA Italy project, this customer should be supplied with Otomat Mk 2 anti-ship missile systems (probably Block IV modifications), Marte Mk 2 / N light anti-ship missile systems and SIMBAD-RC light anti-aircraft missile systems (using Mistral 2).
According to the publication of the magazine, all these missile systems, apparently, should be armed with large 400-ton patrol boats of the Turkish NTPB project, the assembly of which is organized in Turkmenistan at the shipbuilding and ship-repair plant created in 2010 in Ufra in Turkmenbashi (formerly Krasnovodsk) from sections supplied by the Turkish private shipyard Dearsan Shipyard (Dearsan Gemi Insaat Sanayili). Currently, the construction of NTPB type boats for the Turkmen State Border Guard is under way in Ufra under a contract for eight units signed with Dearsan Shipyard in 2012 (in addition to two delivered by this shipyard in 2012). It is unclear whether it is planned to equip the NTPB boats of the Turkmen State Border Guard with missile systems supplied by MBDA Italy within the framework of the Tetris project, or if additional boats with new missile systems should be built for the Turkmen Navy.
Presumably, each NTPB project boat in Turkmenistan will carry four Otomat Mk 2 PKRK container launchers or eight Marte Mk 2 / N PKRK container launchers, and two SIMBAD-RC air defense turret four-shot launchers.

on the picture:

Four transport and launch containers of the MBDA Marte Mk 2 / N SCRC on the P 302 Al Bazam small missile boat of the improved Ghannatha type of the UAE Navy (view from the stern). Turkmenistan became the second customer of the MBDA Marte Mk 2 / N complex after the UAE. Abu Dhabi, February 2013 (c) Richard Scott / NAVPIX / Jane's

[hydrox]

Turkmens no longer mind if Russian border guards step in to guard their borders in the event of a worsening situation.

[Denis fj]

They would still buy Italians and Turks to these new things.

[Denis fj]

The missile itself is a universal type, not only anti-ship missiles, but also against stationary targets on the coast is guided by GPS;)

[Sirocco]

Quote: take-off

I don’t understand these neutral Turkmens.

They feel something for us, articles about Turkmenistan, look at our reaction, or it seems to me ???)))) The second article in a few days.

[takeoff]

You can’t even say better. Turkmens are the only ones with whom I do not have communication at the household level. Turkmenbashi fenced off after the collapse of the Union with his own Turkmens, and a Turkmen, unlike the same Uzbek or Tajik, you will not find during the day with fire.

[hydrox]

And what is incomprehensible if we cannot divide the Caspian in 15 years?
Turkmens want their interests to be taken into account too ...

[Semen Semyonitch]

You’re not going the right way, comrade Gurbanguly ....

[saag]

Quote: Semyon Semyonich

You’re not going the right way, comrade Gurbanguly ....

He will not buy weapons in the Russian Federation, because they did not give him the Trans-Caspian gas pipeline

[Semen Semyonitch]

The master is the master. Then he will regret it.

[saag]

Quote: Semyon Semyonich

The master is the master. Then he will regret it.

Why would it, all that he needs he will get in Turkey, but for the Caspian Sea, and much is not needed

[Alex_Popovson]

Will not regret it. Very good rumored system. Moreover, it is available in all Europe and she is very satisfied. It is rumored to be very comparable to the Israeli C-Dome, not even Barack. Although I can confuse something.

[Zymran]

Just wondering what kind of missile is it talking about apparently the latest Otomat Mk 2 Block IV?

[marshes]

Quote: Zymran

Just wondering what kind of missile is it talking about apparently the latest Otomat Mk 2 Block IV?

Hey.
We are the most peaceful, even in comparison with Turkmenistan.

[Zymran]

Salam.

Patience, I would say.

[marshes]

I went to the wiki of the Navy of Turkmenistan, there is something to be surprised.
They collect Turkish missile boats.

[Zymran]

And the number of flotillas is greater than ours.

[Fregate]

Quote: marshes

I went to the wiki of the Navy of Turkmenistan, there is something to be surprised.
They collect Turkish missile boats.

Well, this is written in the article.

[Alex_Popovson]

Something tells me what exactly is her. All returning to her grandmother, she told me that it was her, since the fleet was scanty, and the maximum cover needed, including on land. Accordingly, they are likely to take it. Not quantity, but quality.

[Simon]

Rumors, rumors, and about our air defense systems, we ourselves know that they are inferior to no one, in some cases even superior. Americans of our air defense system for some reason are afraid.

[Alex_Popovson]

They are afraid for the simple reason that instead of the air defense systems they have - airplanes and Aegis. Otherwise, the entire burden falls on the electronic warfare. The Americans are reforming their troops based on what I had by the year 45-49. And there the mass raid of super-duper-strategic bombers on the territory of the United States is stipulated only doctrinally.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Simon

For some reason, the Americans of our air defense systems are afraid.

Did they tell you personally? "They just can't eat!"

[KIL]

Buy a bastard. Now we accidentally drown a NATO boat with a rocket on the Black Sea. Tear all contracts and come running to us

[saag]

Quote: KIL

Now we accidentally drown a NATO boat with a rocket on the Black Sea. Tear all contracts and come running to us

Everything will be exactly the opposite, because after such an incident it will be like that. that this crisis is only the beginning, I mean it economically

[KIL]

Ashgabat says that he is our friend. Let economically help us, buy. But seriously seriously, I’m always twisting their tail.

[Zymran]

Quote: KIL

Ashgabat says that he is our friend. Let economically help us, buy. But seriously seriously, I’m always twisting their tail. fool

Turkmenistan is officially a neutral state and owes nothing to anyone.

[Yura]

Quote: Zymran

Turkmenistan is officially a neutral state and owes nothing to anyone.

And that is why he is a direct participant in the resuscitation of NABUKO?

[Zymran]

Quote: Jura

And that is why he is a direct participant in the resuscitation of NABUKO?

If this is beneficial to them, then why not?

[hydrox]

NABUCCO is an empty provocation, its capacity is 10 billion cubic meters a year, but with this capacity it does not pay for itself, and 10 lards is the entire volume of the Azerbaijani Shah Deniz.
The Turkmen gave all the gas to China at European prices, so they can carelessly smoke hookah and watch the sea ...

[ilkin33]

10 billion is today's production with the full launch of Shahdeniz will be more up to 30 billion!

[TVM - 75]

This neutrality is based on the principle - "Who will give more to yours and ours." East - I will sell everyone.

[Semen Semyonitch]

Inadvertently minus slammed, corrected.

[tlauicol]

so they already bought Uranus from us. Now thought better of it, we decided to buy normal RCC.
that's how they would not muddied the Maidan there - then it will be really bad

[Mihaylo Tishayshiy]

Quote: Tlauicol

so they already bought Uranus from us. Now thought better of it, we decided to buy normal RCC.

Let me ask you why "Otomat MK2" is "more normal" than our "Uranus"?
On the contrary, I am pleased that the Turkmens will have missile systems that are somewhat "thinner" than ours.

[tlauicol]

speed power constant communication channel correction interchangeability seeker stealth

[Mihaylo Tishayshiy]

Quote: Tlauicol

speed power constant communication channel correction interchangeability seeker stealth

They have the same speed (subsonic 0,85-0,9 M)
The power (apparently the mass of the warhead) of the Otomat MK2 is slightly more than that of Uran, but Uran is designed to destroy ships with a displacement of up to 5000 tons (has anyone seen such "monsters" in the Caspian?), And the Italian military-industrial complex can offer only this "universal" anti-ship missile, they have nothing like the "Caliber" (missile 3M54E) or "Yakhont", designed for more serious purposes, which, according to all the articles you listed, are superior to the "Otomat MK2" (and MK3), and , by the way, are part of the armaments of the ships of our Caspian Flotilla.
Permanent communication channel correction, and what, "Uranus" refers to unguided rockets? The Uranus seeker is more perfect (the maximum detection range is 50 km, versus the Otomat's 12 km), it does not need to be "guided" and constantly "adjusted", while illuminating the helicopter.
Interchangeability of the seeker, if you had in mind the possibility of using the seeker from the French Exocet anti-ship missile with a more advanced homing head, then this is possible only on the Otomat MK3 (Turkmens buy MK2).
Stealth? In terms of mass and dimensions, Uranus is smaller, why should it have more RCS? The flight altitude on the march near "Uranus" is lower. So where is the big stealth?

[tlauicol]

Have you ever wondered at what altitude Uranus goes to see a target over 50 km? here you have the secrecy. the speed of the Italian is higher, power also does not hurt. Uranium has no connection, is not corrected, does not receive and does not transmit information in flight / Automatic / multi-angle, multi-directional attack

[Mihaylo Tishayshiy]

The X-35 does not make a "slide" to detect the target, so its secrecy is not violated. How does the speed of "Uranus" (270-280 m / s) differ from the speed of "Otomat" (0,9M)? In the same way, how the finger differs from the finger! Communication and correction, as well as a spotter helicopter (for the ship complex) in flight for the "Italian" are needed due to the limited scanning angle of the Italian seeker. A more advanced Russian seeker makes it unnecessary to communicate and adjust the missile in flight (as they say, shoot and forget), it will detect and select targets, and if there is more than one missile, then the target is attacked from different directions (this is about a multi-vector attack). By the way, in terms of flight range, the Kh-35UE slightly outperforms the Otomat MK2, 260 km versus 150 km (the MK3 has 180 km, but they are not sold to the Turkmens). And, as for the power of the warhead, then why shoot at sparrows from a cannon? For serious purposes, the ships of the Caspian Flotilla have "Calibers" and "Yakhonts".

[tlauicol]

of course it does not make a slide - it flies along a combined trajectory - a radio horizon of 50 km is available at an altitude of over 150 m - i.e. Uranium "burns" long before the impact, but you will not be written about it in advertising brochures.
and Otomat Aegis broke through on the teachings. By the way, this is the fastest of subsonic anti-ship missiles. Do not argue. Yes, and in terms of range, Uranus is inferior - 130km for the Turkmens (GOS 20km capture), and if they started talking about MK3, then there are ground targets in stock.

[Mihaylo Tishayshiy]

Quote: Tlauicol

Uranium "burns" long before the impact, but you will not be written about it in advertising brochures.

Yes, in the brochures it is written that the flight altitude of the "Uranus" on the march is 10-15m (apparently, they lie godlessly!). And what will not be written about in Otomat brochures? Crystal honest Italians won't lie ... Apparently, from excessive opportunities, the Italians on the "Otomat MK3" and provided for the replacement of their GOS with French .

Quote: Tlauicol

and Otomat Aegis broke through on the teachings.

It is a pity that at these exercises every single Uranus was shot down

Quote: Tlauicol

and if they started talking about MK3, then there are ground targets in stock.

Yes, I did not start talking about them, but only casually mentioned them! I understand perfectly well that MK3 is generally the height of perfection, and the same "Caliber" with its thin capabilities and assortment of goals is just a "stone ax" !

[tlauicol]

Uranium flies along a combined trajectory otherwise kerosene is not enough - oops, again a drawback!
What is the range of the radio horizon at a height of 10m? Throw the formula, or do you yourself calculate?

[Mihaylo Tishayshiy]

Quote: Tlauicol

Uranium flies along a combined trajectory otherwise kerosene is not enough - oops, again a drawback!

Oops! Where did you get such information? It turns out that an increase in the flight range and the detection range of the GOS on the X-35UE is achieved by switching to a combined trajectory! Again in the brochures they lied!
The combined (in height) trajectory is used by supersonic missiles, but there are combined heights of 15-15000 m (this really gives significant savings. And subsonic missiles are used for that, so that ALL! Their trajectory passes at a low altitude, otherwise, sorry, "surprise "will not. And" Uranus ", like the American" Harpoon ", captures the target from a height of 10-15m, without making" slides. "But you know better!
All! I called Shoigu, let him throw out the white flag and sign the act of unconditional surrender from the Turkmen Bashi!

[tlauicol]

You will be very surprised if you find out that almost all subsonic missiles fly along a combined path? only the amplitude in height is smaller (15-150m on the march versus 5-15km on supersonic). And in order to see the target for 50 km, Uranus must fly at least 150 m - this is possible only in two cases:
increase in marching altitude - unmasks a rocket (and even with a working radar)

or air launch with the carrier entering the medium-range air defense zone. So what is a 10-meter radio horizon? (by the way, it will be the same for everyone and always, no matter what magazines they write)
Turkmens scratched turnips and turned to Italians

[Mihaylo Tishayshiy]

I already called Shoigu! You do not know ?! The Caspian flotilla surrendered in full force to the Turkmen bash!

[KIL]

You are angry, you do not understand jokes. I give my word of honor I won't drown the boat, it's good to minus. "This is why I was angry I had no beer"

[ksv1973]

Quote: KIL

... Now we accidentally sink a NATO boat with a rocket on the Black Sea ...

Why drown? We are polite people - a couple of helicopters or airplanes with "Khibiny" installed on them, accompanied by NATO ships - and that's it, write your resignation letter, guys.

[Bayonet]

Quote: ksv1973

a couple of helicopters or airplanes with "Khibiny" installed on them

Already brings teeth from these Khibiny! Well, come up with a laser or some kind of maser!

[Simon]

So let them buy several times more expensive in Italy.

[hydrox]

He doesn’t suffer from this anymore :: ALL the gas was contracted by the Chinese for 20 years - all the more surprising that he wanted to play war games.
The navy is a very expensive affair, all the more so the costs are not paying back ...

[ksv1973]

Quote: Semen Semenych

You’re not going the right way, comrade Gurbanguly ....

Joke.
Gurbanguly Myalikgulyevich Berdimuhamedov visited the Icelandic volcano Eyyafyatlayukyudl, which caused a wave of suicides among the announcers of television channels around the world.

[Teberii]

Partition of the Caspian Sea, everyone is getting ready. They will not talk about the fleet.

[222222]

"Hey, Abdullah! Didn't you take a lot of goods? And that's all, go, no duty?"
So there is no one at customs. It is unknown to whom to pay.
Do you want us to pay in gold? "(White sun of the desert")

[moskowit]

Well, soon we will see the "great naval commanders" among the Turkmen. Judging by the number of floating craft they have, the fleet commander should be in the rank of captain of the second or third rank.

[alone]

Do you have any doubts about this?)))

[Genych]

It would be better to strengthen the Turkmen-Afghan border.

[WHITE CAT]

Well, bought and purchased, which country, such purchases ....

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Nevertheless, Russia is not without reason small nations crushed under themselves .. The smaller the country, the more dangerous ..! Now this barking is on the border))) Well, nothing soon soon!

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: MIKHAN

Well, nothing soon soon!

"... Now someone's blood will be shed,
someone's blood will be shed now.
Now..."
From the cartoon "One-two-three-four-five a bunny came out for a walk."

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: stalkerwalker

Quote: MIKHAN

Well, nothing soon soon!

"... Now someone's blood will be shed,
someone's blood will be shed now.
Now..."
From the cartoon "One-two-three-four-five a bunny came out for a walk."

One two three four five ... You ask us again!
Six seven eight .. We don’t ask you! Nine ten .. We’ll think about it)! And twelve times two three .. otfigachim! And look ... Two fifteen I will not say I do not wish anyone!

[alone]

Quote: MIKHAN

You will ask us again!

Thank! let's get along somehow!

[The townspeople]

Someone in the leadership of Turkmenistan has found new ways to earn money - the purchase of military equipment abroad. Well done guys - successfully create a welfare fund for future generations of their family!

[27091965]

The best weapon for Russians
("Rzeczpospolita", Poland)

a Czech company, Cairo Cz, from the village of Lubin sold Novo-Obninsk to German Sig-Sauer pistols and Heckler-Koch assault rifles. These weapons are used by special units around the world, including the American Delta Force and the British SAS. At the same time, the Czechs delivered 40 pieces of ammunition to the American company Magtech, which boasts that they are used by "a million law enforcement officers."

Two months earlier, Cairo sold the elite American rifle Daniel rifles to the Russians. Last fall, ammunition for these weapons, including those manufactured by Remington, went from Prague to Russia.

From the accounts held by Rzeczpospolita, it follows that the Czechs have long bought weapons abroad, intending to re-export them to Russia. In June last year, they, in particular, received from the USA CheyTac 408 M300 rifles, which are used, for example, by the US Marine Corps in Afghanistan. Weapons of the same type were sold to Russians last year with about 10% mark-up.





Russia is right in doing that it does not buy large quantities of foreign weapons. The technical thought does not stand still, and it is very profitable to inspect and test it at your training grounds.

[Proud.]

Quote: 27091965i

The best weapon - to Russians ("Rzeczpospolita", Poland)

A number of Czech arms companies, with the permission of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the country, supplied weapons to Ukraine throughout 2014, Czech media reported.
"... First of all, we are talking about the company CZ Hermex, specializing in the production of small arms, reports TASS with reference to idnes.cz." We could not complete the trade and stop the supply of weapons and ammunition to the Ukrainian buyer, "- explained the lawyer of the firm Radek Ondruš “The Ministry of Industry (and Trade), on the advice of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Czech Republic), decided last Friday to revoke our export license,” he added.

A license to supply arms to Ukraine was first issued to this Czech company in the second half of 2013, and CZ Hermex exported “goods” worth hundreds of thousands of dollars there, the Internet portal writes. According to Emil Marcup, one of the owners of the company, the last deliveries of weapons were carried out at the end of last year. He admitted that he knew at least “about three Czech firms that supplied arms to Ukraine”.

What types of weapons CZ Hermex supplied to Ukraine, the Internet portal does not report. However, as follows from the company's website on the Internet, the company produces assault rifles, pistols and carbines of various systems, as well as 82-mm recoilless artillery pieces ... "- Who will we believe?

[27091965]

I think it is worth believing the Poles and Czechs. Until the war touches them, they will sell weapons to everyone. Hoping that they are far away and they will not get.

[Afinogen]

the specific name is Tetris.

Tetris, well, who doesn’t know Tetris

[SSR]

Quote: Athenogen

the specific name is Tetris.

Tetris, well, who doesn’t know Tetris

By the way, the Soviet invention and also not patented by the inventor.

[KIL]

Quote from S.S.R.

Quote: Athenogen

the specific name is Tetris.

Tetris, well, who doesn’t know Tetris

By the way, the Soviet invention and also not patented by the inventor.

Also, the whole world knows exactly who invented but do not want to patent.

[Signaller]

Turkmenistan has a long coastline of the Caspian Sea that will be twice as large as the Russian one. So we have a whole flotilla there. Why then should Turkmenbashi lag behind us ????. Ours do not give, but everyone knows that a holy place does not happen empty. So they are looking for canals and ways to protect their coastal waters.

[Talgat]

Actually, it’s impossible to resolve issues in the Caspian by arms - the Turkmens could not spend money and not buy from the west. The solution is only if everyone sits down peacefully and will agree in good neighborly terms. Moreover, the Caspian is clearly the CSTO responsibility zone (and among the Caspian countries 2 countries are in this block - and one of them has the largest opportunities in the region in the region)

The recent agreements of all the Caspian countries are encouraging - not to let anyone outside here (I mean the Americans of course) and secondly the strengthening of friendly relations between Iran and Kazakhstan, as well as Iran and the Russian Federation. Given that Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan also never confront each other (like Turkic related peoples), the potential for peace and stability in the Caspian is rather high

The Turkmens do not need good weapons there .. In fact, Kazakhstan could not spend money on the Caspian flotilla (it provides security for the Russian Federation) - but, I suspect, there is pressure from the Russian Federation to share security costs.

[Yura]

Quote: Talgat

The recent agreements of all the Caspian countries are encouraging - not to let anyone outside here (I mean the Americans of course)

What do you think, if we suppose the United States (we’ll exaggerate to imagine the scale of the consequences, and not the possibility of implementation), they will transfer for free to Turkmenistan or any other coastal country of the Caspian Sea (with the exception of Russia, simply because it is not possible) we will say so full-fledged AUG, but with a mandatory condition that the crew is leased from the USA, then these Caspian countries will not be tempted to resolve issues outside the round table?

[Stirbjorn]

And how physically this transmission will be? By parachute, the aircraft carriers will drop what?))

[Yura]

Quote: Stirbjorn

And how physically this transmission will be? By parachute, the aircraft carriers will drop what?))

Quote: Jura

(we exaggerate to present the scale of the consequences, not the possibility of implementation)

[Stanislas]

Quote: Stirbjorn

By parachute, aircraft carriers will drop what?

Burlaki from Turkey on logs through Azerbaijan will be drawn ...

[kuz363]

And how does this AUG get into the closed Caspian? Unless in the air.

[Talgat]

Quote: Jura

The USA (we’ll exaggerate in order to present the scale of the consequences, and not the possibility of implementation) will transfer free of charge to Turkmenistan or any other coastal country of the Caspian (except Russia, just because it is not possible) say so full-fledged AUG, but with a prerequisite for renting a crew from the USA then these Caspian countries will not be tempted to resolve issues outside the round table?

Consider the candidates:

1. Kazakhstan is located in a military bloc with the Russian Federation (CSTO), the second after the Russian Federation sponsor of the CRRF - the CSTO Rapid Reaction Force). Following Belarus creates a single air defense with the Russian Federation. The initiator of integration is the CU and the EAEU. In general, everything is clear - no one will give us anything. and we will always be with the main ally.

2. Iran, the de facto ally of the Russian Federation and China, is fighting openly in Syria and Iraq, creating a problem for the Saudis in Yemen, striving even in the SCO at least in the Collective Security Treaty Organization and at least in the EAEU - as they say, to hell with the horns, it’s worth taking amers and israel
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3. Turkmenistan - has signed everything that is possible with GAZprom - essentially a hidden member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) - the former Soviet republic, which by the way has preserved many of the Union’s gains for the people, will most likely join the CSTO or the EAEU - (see an interesting article on HOWEVER)

4. Azerbaijan - yes, it would seem a candidate for Amer’s help and a conductor of Amer’s influence in the region - But! At a recent Caspian summit, he signed with all the Caspian republics documents on preventing the USA from entering the region.
Secondly, it will never go against Kazakhstan because of the kinship of our peoples and mutual sympathy (and I think against Turkmenistan as well)
They have contradictions with Iran - but I’m sure that both will not go against the opinion of the Russian Federation, and the states will not be able to start a fire here

[bomg.77]

Turkmenistan has a dispute with Azerbaijan over the Kapaz field (50 million tons of oil) Gurbanbuly does not agree to joint production (50/50), which Azerbaijan insists on. Turkmenistan even started some work there, but Azerbaijan expressed its protest and even threatened.

illegal activity is unacceptable and the Azerbaijani side reserves the right to carry out appropriate measures related to the protection of their sovereign rights in the Caspian Sea,

I think they are arming themselves in the Caspian Sea (especially Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan) in connection with this and several other disputed deposits. So to speak, to be more convincing in the dispute.

[Yeraz]

Quote: bomg.77

I think they are arming themselves in the Caspian Sea (especially Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan) in connection with this and several other disputed deposits. So to speak, to be more convincing in the dispute.

Azerbaijan will never fight with Turkmenistan. Relatives and plus of these deposits are not of global importance. Both sides decided to put this problem in a long box. But, then, both sides are firm in their position that they have the right to decide to conduct the pipeline across their water areas. and do not ask anyone about it. Turkmens are arming themselves for the general militarization of the Caspian Sea. Russia and Iran are not sitting calmly.

[kuz363]

No, Kazakhstan definitely needs to have its own fleet. Because in addition to direct military aggression, the fleet is needed to combat poachers as a coast guard and to protect the oil platforms of offshore fields. Well, how to have a sea coast and not have a fleet, albeit a small one? The length of the sea line of Kazakhstan is more than 1000 km. And what about the graduates of the naval school in Aktau?

[Denis 60 rus]

it is their right.

[Zymran]

Well done Turkmen, ours signed a memorandum on Exocet missiles 3 years ago, but for some reason the matter arose further.

[Gorjelin]

The agreement on the elimination of medium and short-range missiles prohibits Russia from having land-based cruise missiles (thanks to the tagged traitor). Therefore, such missiles are placed on the ships of the Caspian flotilla. Lately there have been many new ships built there.

Now sworn friends and think how to nullify these our efforts. For example, ship anti-ship Turkmenistan. Against whom is this weapon, if in the Caspian Sea no one feeds the Russian Federation a fleet?

In my opinion, everything is obvious.

[donavi49]

Among the key 2 fleets are Iran and CFL.

Among others, Azerbaijan has significantly strengthened its fleet, Kazakhstan is building, and so are the Turkmens in the fight for 3 place.

Another question is how the OTOMATS worked out, they have a very bad export history and no one takes them for money. Last real sale of 8 rockets and 2 launchers in 2002 year in Bangladesh, but it’s just that the Koreans removed their weapons from the frigate and the Italians ran very, very, very fast with discounts and a full pack of body kit, free life-time service, etc., they also boarded the ship’s Agusta with an additional suspension.

[marshes]

NTPB project

Photos of the construction in Turkmenistan at the shipbuilding and shipyard in Ufra in Turkmenbashi (formerly Krasnovodsk) of large 400-ton patrol boats (border patrol ships) of the Turkish NTPB project for the Turkmen State Border Guard appeared on the web resource river-forum.ru.

NTPB project boats are quite large units with a standard displacement of 400 tons and a length of 55,75 meters. The main armament of both Turkish and Turkmen boats of this type is the 40-mm twin automatic tower artillery mount Oto Melara Twin Compact. According to Oto Melara, a contract for the supply of two such gun mounts for Turkmen boats was the first order for an Italian company from the territory of the former USSR. Unlike boats under construction for the Turkish Navy, Turkmen boats are reportedly also equipped with two 25-mm remotely controlled Aselsan STOP automatic turret artillery (Turkish boats have two Aselsan STAMP units with 12,7-mm machine guns), but not equipped with a six-barreled Aselsan / Roketsan DSH six-barrel rocket launcher mounted on Turkish boats Turkmen boats also have electronic weapons that differ from Turkish prototypes - in particular, the Thales Variant 2D surveillance radar.

[Zymran]

Our boats from Uralsk are not nearby. :(

[marshes]

Quote: Zymran

Our boats from Uralsk are not nearby. :(

That's what I’m talking about, our hopes for aviation are hoped with RCC ....
Okay, yes evenings ... business.

[Talgat]

Definitely, no matter how many boats or ships you have in the Caspian, the proximity of airfields and the availability of aviation are important, if necessary, our air forces will sink everything that is needed in the Caspian, if necessary, I think they will urgently buy x -35, etc. But I hope this will not come to this - for the good of the Russian Federation itself should "resolve" everything on the Caspian Sea

[Zymran]

A war if, what will be required within the scope of aviation? Yes, and the presence of RCC and the possibility of installing them on airplanes need to be clarified.

[marshes]

Quote: Zymran

Yes, and the presence of RCC and the possibility of installing them on airplanes need to be clarified.

Su-27BM2, can carry X-31 A.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Zymran

A war if, what will be required within the scope of aviation? Yes, and the presence of RCC and the possibility of installing them on airplanes need to be clarified.

Well, with whom can the Cossacks have a war in the Caspian ?? With Azerbaijan ?? There are no genes and just excellent relations between countries and peoples will not give it. They are unlikely to be with the Turkmen either. Only Russia and China are real. And in one case the fleet will not play at least some value. Maximum shore strengthening to somehow slow down. And with China, only the land.

[donavi49]

Soon you will have 3 like that, with X-35 and other goodies. It is parity.

[Kasym]

Interesting fact. Three of these ships, which are being built for the Caspian flotilla of the Russian Federation, decided to transfer to the Black Sea Fleet. At the same time, Kazakhstan ordered three of these for its flotilla. It turns out that the CSTO in the Caspian does not lose anything. I would like to believe that this is not a coincidence, but coordinated actions of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Kazakhstan.
Countrymen, hello! India has ordered a MiG-29K for its aircraft carrier. RF for Kuzu too. I looked, it turned out that there was "Zhuk-ME". And this already makes it possible to suspend the anti-ship missiles. I just don't see the point in ordering a plane without the ability to operate such missiles. Also, the MiG-31 and Su-30SM, I think, also have the ability to carry anti-ship missiles, there is also a phased array.
You can also buy coastal complexes. Both artillery (Coast for example) and missile (Bastion, Sopka). They can be reset to a whole fleet in a few minutes.
I generally agree that there is no point in militarizing the Caspian. It is enough to have coastal patrol boats to scare the poachers, and all the Caspian countries are "negotiated".

[chunga-changa]

The first more or less worthy targets for Onyx. Now we need to think about the anti-ship missile defense "Buyans", or do not touch the brawlers, planes to close the issue.

[Anchonsha]

This damn Turkmenbashi will be played to the end, bastard. To be neutral, one must be with a larger economy and army than those of the cotted mattresses themselves

[alone]

Quote: Anchonsha

This damn Turkmenbashi will be played to the end, bastard.

not so about the dead))) Turkmenbashi has long died. ))))

[tupolev-95]

And the new one is not Turkmenbashi? It seems that he inherited all the regalia, well, yes, it doesn’t matter. Russia is hardly worth fearing the strengthening of the Navy of Turkmenistan, the Caspian flotilla will be more powerful, and Turkmenistan, it seems to me, needs to worry more about the border with Afghanistan. There’s a moment I don’t know all the nuances regarding territorial claims regarding the Caspian Sea, but there are some disputes and they concern Azerbaijan or Kazakhstan. Correct if you know the situation.

[alone]

Quote: Tupolev-95

And the new one is not Turkmenbashi?

no, he is Kurbankulu Berdymukhammedov))) understand the difference?)))

[tupolev-95]

Well, as far as I understand, Turkmenbashi is not a surname, but let's say, "leader and teacher" of the Turkmen. Is the current president more "secular"?

[virm]

Why is he a bastard?

[act]

Turkmenistan is an independent state, which can and wants to have a modern coastal fleet.

[INFOLegioner]

Well, the rich have their own quirks (irony)))

[kuz363]

I think this is due to the project of the Caspian gas pipeline from Turkmenistan to Azerbaijan. And then into the NABUKO gas pipeline to Europe through Turkey. And since Russia will be against construction, a military conflict with Turkmenistan is possible. True, it is not clear how Iran will react to this. Here they are armed in advance. It’s just not clear how Russia can legally shake it up if it is built in the Turkmen and Azerbaijani economic zones? Caspian status not defined?

[Yeraz]

Quote: kuz363

Caspian status not defined?

The weak argument is that the pipeline will only be in the zones of Turkmens and Azerbaijanis.

[Akmalinin]

Quote: kuz363

Russia will be against the construction, then a military conflict with Turkmenistan is possible.

Russia is not the United States will not do any tricks

[askort154]

Russia and Iran have access to the sea world. And for Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan - the Caspian, which is the Pacific Ocean. So the "Turkmen-bashi" wants to play "sea powers". No threat, just show-off. It's like it was fashionable for our governors in the 90s to have not only a private jet, but to acquire their own regional airline. Progress of bureaucratic ambitions: black Volga, black Mercedes, private jet, personal airline, personal contributions and apartments with a yacht abroad. And here it is cooler, a personal fleet in the Caspian.
They are well aware that they cannot be rivals of Russia and Iran in the Caspian, but it is real to drive the poachers and shine "cool".

[Siberia 9444]

I agree with you that I also wanted to write - Kazakhstan is a big and strong country and there’s nothing to catch for Turkmens, but a wise politician, Nazarbayev saved the world, raised the country - I can only live for many years

[Vyacheslav 64]

Quote: take-off

The devil himself will not understand these neutral Turkmen.

When ISIS will crush them, they scream- Russia help !!!

[virm]

Turkmenistan has someone to turn to. China, Iran, fraternal Turkey. With all these countries, they have good diplomatic and commercial interests. Turkmen military trained in Turkey. Why should they contact the Russian Federation? Why should the Russians fight the Islamists for the Turkmen?

[Tribuns]

Will Turkmenistan be a neutral state for long?

A number of experts indicate that today it is through Turkmenistan that the Islamists intend to break into Central Asia ... The army and security forces of this country, according to experts, are weak, the border is relatively easy to pass, Islamist cells and areas appeared in the republic itself, where they have a significant impact. The ranks of the Islamists in recent years have been significantly replenished by the Turkmens, the IMU has entire units consisting of them ... In addition, there is no guarantee that at some point such a local self-defense unit will not change its orientation to the Pro-Taliban. Moreover, if he sees the prospect of taking a stake in the Turkmen gas fields. Rather, in Ashgabat, in the event of a real threat, they will turn a blind eye to their neutrality and ask Beijing for help in protecting the pipelines and, possibly, even in protecting the border ... [http://www.ca-portal.ru/article:13383]

[virm]

And rightly so. The time has come for China to prove its worth as a world power. And for this, it is necessary to rehearse in Central Asia. Start with Turkmenistan, continue in Afghanistan. Following Britain, the USSR and the United States, now China must fight there.

[Yugra]

It was not easy for the Turkmen people to start the itch. From faraway Iraq (or, more precisely, from the CIA), the Islamists, led by curators from the United States, decided that it was time to tackle Central Asia, and there we would clash with burnt mattresses over time .. .

[virm]

Take it easy. There are no Americans there. And we have nothing to do there. Let the Islamists wet each other.

[voveim]

In the end, every country has the right to defense. But the mentioned complexes are defensive and belong ...

Maybe I didn't understand something, but the article clearly says: "MBDA Italy will supply the customer with Otomat Mk 2 anti-ship missile systems and Marte Mk 2 / N light anti-ship missile systems." The question is, since when did the SCRC begin to treat defensive weapons?
Although, from a purely formal point of view, Turkmenistan, as a sovereign state, has the right to purchase for itself those weapons and military equipment that it considers necessary ...
R.S. Moreover, Turkmenbashi II has some little money: Russian geologists discovered gas fields to him even under the Union, infrastructure at the same time was rebuilt by Russian engineers and workers - live and rejoice!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Turkmenistan clearly wants to become famous as Ukraine ... We will water immediately! Remember this! (From afar, like mattresses) We have the right!

[Zymran]

Quote: MIKHAN

Turkmenistan clearly wants to become famous as Ukraine ... We will water immediately! Remember this! hi (From afar, like mattresses) We have the right!

Posting for the sake of collecting pluses?

[alone]

Quote: Zymran

Posting for the sake of collecting pluses?

Of course, my dear))) only for the sake of pluses))) I've been sitting here for almost such a long time, I have not heard a single sentence from him. All posts are for the sake of pluses. And I’m even offended when you reproach him for cheers-patriotism))))

[Talgat]

well in vain you so immediately wet

The Turkmens did nothing wrong with you. people like you scare everyone away from the Russians.

[virm]

Some kind of violent. A couch general? What did the Turkmens do to you?

[bannik]

The Turkmen have Afghanistan on their side. We are already dumping from there and the Turkmens understand what threatens them, because they also interfere with their gas and oil under the feet of the United States.

[alone]

Again, our Vitalik got drunk for some reason .. here and wets everyone in a row without understanding anything.

[Tarhan]

Quote: MIKHAN

.Will be wet immediately! Remember this!

In history, one drenched, drenched and then soaked himself.

[INFOLegioner]

who was that?

[vass]

Turkmenistan in terms of the enemy is not considered by the Russian Federation at all. In terms of benefits, as an ally, also in different weight categories. However, there are very strong ties in the military-industrial complex and a huge dependence on our help to calm their potential opponents and internal waiting lists for power. Purchasing marine security systems for future (quite possibly) offshore pipelines is not reprehensible. In addition, it can help us learn something about new products and technologies. Moreover, our systems are very strong for this closed sea (lake) theater. But it is easier for them to drive oil and gas (if they burst out enough) through a joint gas-oil pipeline with the Russian Federation. There will be no problems with rashenbiznesom and you can safely continue to cut your budgets.

[ovod84]

Turkmenistan is an independent state, they can do what is beneficial for them. So any ruler would do for his state. Do not scold them.

[Ivan the Fool]

Well, where is the boat under the promising name ..... Dagestan!

[Ivan the Fool]

It would be better if we would breed black caviar, otherwise we will soon import from ............ PRC!

[veksha50]

This is exactly the second time that this branch speaks of the first Ka-52K (ship version) - where to put it (them) ... There will be a place for use on the islands of the Far East, the Baltic Sea, in Crimea, as a shock machine adapted to work in the sea ... Well, they won’t hinder the Caspian Sea either ...

There is nothing to be surprised that the Turkmens are arming their fleet ... Look at our Caspian flotilla - pretty decent equipment has arrived, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan are not standing still ... So there is nothing to be surprised for the Turkmens, although acquiring weapons from Russia would be cheaper, and simpler and more profitable ...

[fa2998]

Quote: hydrox

Turkmens no longer mind if Russian border guards step in to guard their borders in the event of a worsening situation.

Yeah, we buy in Turkey and Italy, but Russia must defend. This is a big minus for our "super managers" that they could not push our weapons, the Turkmen are solvent. Here politics and business are together.

[INFOLegioner]

here is politics. and point.

[Yeraz]

Well done. It’s stupid when all the countries of the Caspian region are arming themselves, updating their armed forces, we’re neutral to sit peacefully in the ass with the motto. You won’t go far to neutral))

[el.krokodil]

everything is very simple, you need to arm yourself for the future ... just to be safe ... just in case .. the current unstable times will not give anyone any security guarantees ... if the United States began to rock the Caspian region, RUSSIA will have to razed..a and the Turkmens also want to protect their -have every right ..

[Aizbek]

Nazarbayev is one of the few absolutely adequate leaders who really cares for his people and does everything in their power, in fact, and not in words like ours, so that people would live better every year. In Kazakhstan, the average standard of living is higher than ours. But Nazarbayev has no such opportunities as Russia.

[Zymran]

Quote: Aizbek

In Kazakhstan, the average standard of living is higher than ours

This happened only after the sanctions and the collapse of the ruble. Prior to this, the average standard of living in the Russian Federation was still higher.

[Aizbek]

But to arm or not, this is a private matter for everyone. Since the Turkmen began to arm themselves, it means they saw a threat to their country.

[Radical]

Quote: Karavan

Quote: MIKHAN

Everything will begin soon! Waiting for the death of Nazarbayev ..

Tipun to your tongue. The whole region is arming, for in the summer there will be a marine biathlon in the Caspian. And no one wants to face dirt.

Yeah! Two-medium assault rifle is just the right weapon for marine biathlon!

[Cat man null]

Reminds a game of checkers (not chess, no)))

We look forward to continuing ..

And for those who believe that the Turk men decide something for themselves - to school, at the desk, the third grade is the maximum.

Think for yourself - whatever you are, decide - not you .. decide the circumstances, for you .. but these circumstances - did not fall from the sky, someone created them, voluntarily or involuntarily - it doesn’t matter .. and you need to taxi out )