Moscow and Beijing: a new test

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Moscow and Beijing: a new test


The Russian-Chinese strategic partnership is constantly in the focus of attention of Western analysts, who comprehensively evaluate its advantages and disadvantages, as well as try to determine further possible prospects for its development. In these studies, attention is drawn to attempts to define the framework and limits of this strategic partnership, which some experts characterize as a “marriage of convenience”; this analysis may be of interest to Russian specialists.

MULTILATERAL INTERESTS

Over the past two decades, Russia and China have developed a unique strategic partnership based mainly on deepening economic ties and defending their strategic interests in the face of the West. The gas deal for 400 billion dollars, concluded in May of 2014, is evidence that the main basis in Russian-Chinese relations is still cooperation in the field of hydrocarbon supplies. In addition, Russia and China also cooperate in the field of nuclear energy.

In turn, the visit of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation to China in November 2014 of the year completed the process of registering the “special status” of the PRC as a military-strategic partner and opened to it access to Russian military technologies of the first level. As a result, Beijing will receive such advanced products of the Russian military-industrial complex as the C-400 anti-aircraft missile system, the Su-35 multi-role fighter, Onyx anti-ship missile systems, etc.

There are also active negotiations on the supply of tactical missile systems "Iskander-M" and the MLRS "Tornado-G".

Another strength of Russian-Chinese relations is regional and international cooperation. Russia and China contributed to the creation of several regional and international organizations, such as the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, BRICS, and more recently, the Conference on Interaction and Building Confidence Building Measures in Asia. In addition, they actively cooperate on numerous international and regional problems, including the most significant ones: the six-party talks on Korea, the imposition of a veto on UN intervention in Syria, opposition to the militarization of outer space and sanctions against Iran, etc. It is important to note that cooperation between Russia and China on regional and international problems often translates into a kind of opposition to the West.

However, a number of researchers, especially Western ones, point out that, despite the strengths of Russian-Chinese relations, strategic partnerships are still replete with “pitfalls”. This is mainly due to "historical mistrust ”, conflict of interests in Central Asia and competition for influence in the Asia-Pacific region (APR) as a whole. As a result, we can observe, on the one hand, Moscow’s reluctance to sell its latest weapons to Beijing, and on the other hand, Chinese expansion in the Russian Far East and growing inequality in economic relations. Although these problems undoubtedly complicate bilateral relations, they also provide an understanding of the true nature of the Russian-Chinese strategic partnership. In addition, an analysis of Russia's position on the islands disputed by China and China's position on the crisis in Ukraine shows pitfalls and reveals the true nature of Russian-Chinese relations.

DISPUTES FOR ISLANDS

Since the outcome of disputes over the islands will have extremely important consequences for China, both internationally and domestically, these disputes have become Beijing's foreign policy priorities. In particular, due to historical problems, sovereignty over the Senkaku Islands is extremely important for China. However, despite this importance, China’s strategic partner, Russia, for the most part holds an unclear position and has never spoken openly in support of China. For example, in 2010, the leaders of the two states, Hu Jintao and Dmitry Medvedev, signed a joint statement stating that both countries "will defend the gains of the Second World War and the post-war order in the world." Given that, in China’s view, the Potsdam Declaration meant that Japan had ceded its rights to the Senkaku Islands, many in China perceived this as Russia's support for China in this dispute. However, this position needs to be re-evaluated in the light of the latest joint statements of both countries.

Today, joint statements by Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping simply mean that both countries will support each other in terms of their “vital interests,” which makes Russia’s position on this issue even more ambiguous. It is interesting, however, that in May 2014, Russia and China conducted joint naval exercises near the contested Senkaku Islands. Although Russia's public stance has remained unchanged, perhaps this means soft support from China. As such, the actions of Russia with respect to the Kuril Islands (Dmitry Medvedev's visit to the islands, building up civil and military infrastructure, etc.) can be considered.

At the same time, Russia maintains a rather neutral position on the issue of disputes over the islands in the South China Sea, which are another priority for China’s foreign policy. Despite China’s efforts to secure international support, Russian officials have been silent on this issue. For the most part, this is due to the rapidly developing relations between Russia and Vietnam, which is one of the main contenders for the islands in the South China Sea. To the displeasure of China, Russia and Vietnam have recently deepened cooperation in the military field, and last year Russia sold Vietnam weapons on 714 million dollars. China’s Russian-Vietnamese joint development projects in the South China Sea also cause concern for China. Although China asked Russia to suspend these projects, it ignored these requests and continued to cooperate with Vietnam in this area. For China, this gives a clear signal that Russia is withdrawing from supporting its position and even, which is even more problematic, seeks to strengthen its relations with its rival.

CRISIS IN UKRAINE

If disputes over the ownership of islands are the highest priority for China, the crisis in Ukraine has the same priority for Russia today. Interestingly, similarly to the position of Russia on the islands, China adheres to an ambiguous position regarding the Ukrainian crisis. Following the decision to vest Russian President Vladimir Putin with the right to use military force in Ukraine, Chinese officials reaffirmed China’s position on non-interference in the internal affairs of other countries, while stating that China respects “Ukraine’s independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity”. Although it may look like China’s reluctance to support the Russian rally in Crimea, official representatives also said: “There are reasons why the situation in Ukraine has become the same as today.” This implies the existence of justifications for Russia's actions in the Crimea, including military intervention. Given that China is proud to fight terrorism and protect territorial integrity, especially in light of domestic problems with the Uygur and Tibetan people, its neutral and even ambiguous position on separatism in Ukraine looks logical.

The ambiguity of China’s position on the Ukrainian crisis was further demonstrated during the vote on the UN Security Council resolution on a referendum in the Crimea, when China abstained. According to the Chinese, the draft resolution would lead to a further escalation of the situation in Ukraine and therefore could not be approved. Chinese officials were very determined to avoid measures that could escalate and made it clear that they would condemn any actions that would complicate the situation. Although they did not specify which types of actions, in their opinion, could complicate the situation, it seems that these statements were intended for both Russian and Western audiences. In the ensuing vote on the resolution of the UN General Assembly concerning the Crimean referendum, China again abstained, citing the same reasons. However, it is important to note that, unlike China’s neutral position on the referendum, the Chinese immediately voted against imposing any sanctions against Russia.

As well as the Russian position on the disputed islands, the position of China on the Ukrainian crisis demonstrates that Russian-Chinese relations are fully consistent with the strategic partnership. Given the emphasized non-interference in the internal affairs of other countries, which China adheres to in its foreign policy, as well as the importance of preventing separatist movements in China’s domestic policy, it is obvious that Russia's role in the Ukrainian crisis is not an area of ​​mutual interests. The fact that China takes a neutral position by abstaining from voting in the UN does not contradict its strategic partnership with Russia.

RELATIONSHIPS IN THE “TURNED TRIANGLE”

According to other researchers, the “marriage of convenience” between Russia and China is based on a mutual tacit agreement to support (to a certain extent) the positions of each of the parties internationally.

Such relationships have developed in the 1990-s. After the Russian leader, Boris Yeltsin, tried to "make friends" with the West, hoping that the ideological barriers had been removed, the West responded by expanding NATO. At the same time, the failure of the “shock therapy” in Russia also led to a turn of the Russian foreign policy under Yeltsin towards the Far Eastern neighbor. It can be said that it was under Yeltsin that the two great powers began to establish normal interstate relations. Having common strategic interests, each of both great powers considered each other as its strategic rear and supported its peaceful development. The most significant phenomenon under Yeltsin was the creation of the Shanghai Five in 1996.


The emergence of China as a great power causes rejection and protests from a number of its neighbors. Reuters Photos


After the Cold War, the logic of development of international relations forced Russia to establish closer cooperation with China. The USA took advantage of the difficulties of Russia and tried to narrow its strategic space in Eastern Europe. Under these conditions, Russia was in dire need of strategic allies that had sufficient weight in the system of international relations. China also needed strategic allies among the great powers to withstand Western sanctions after the 1989 year. This alignment contributed to the establishment of strategic cooperation between Moscow and Beijing and led to a strategic balance in the US-Russia-China triangle.

There is no doubt that the top of this triangle was the United States. In addition, in the face of the West’s arms embargo, China began to purchase advanced weapons and military technology in Russia. This was beneficial for Russia, since the processes of reforming the economy demanded external investments. Therefore, Russian foreign policy in East Asia has put economic cooperation in the first place for the development of the country. The basis of Russian-Chinese cooperation was Russia's long-term national interests and a common position on the issue of the modern world order. Thus, Russia and China formed the SCO, and also took a coordinated strategic position on North Korea, Afghanistan, Iran and other issues.

On the other hand, according to Western analysts, as a trans-regional great power, Russia has always been wary of the rise of China. The Russian economy also grew rapidly due to the rapid rise in hydrocarbon prices, which gave Moscow the opportunity to solve internal problems. Under Putin and Medvedev, Russia's national revival began. The country's leadership also managed to stabilize its relations with European countries. The United States was preoccupied with the war on terrorism and financial reform, and therefore halted its attack on Russian interests. At the same time, under Hu Jintao, China achieved amazing success in development and by the year of 2010 became the second economic power of the world. This gave rise to the idea of ​​creating a “two” (G-2) - the American-Chinese alliance. The Kremlin also shocked China’s rapid buildup of military power.

As a result, in the system of international relations, the American-Chinese-Russian isosceles triangle, in which the United States occupied the top, turns into an inverted triangle, in which Russia occupies the lower vertex of the triangle. For Russia as a trans-regional great power, this situation is unacceptable.

At present, the Russian-American rivalry is the main threat to the national security of Russia, but Russia also views the Russian-Chinese rivalry as another major threat to its national security. Russia has a strong mood of mistrust in China among political and academic circles. According to Western researchers, the interests of Russia and China in many cases overlap and come into conflict. After 2000, China’s rapid growth has increasingly troubled Russia, forcing it to carefully rethink its policy toward China. This explains why the SCO does not have enough incentives to develop.

VIEWS OF CHINA ON STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP WITH RUSSIA

According to Western analysts, China has evolved its views from ideological concerns about the "capitalization" of Russia and its possible anti-Chinese policy to revolutionary idealism, when the possibilities of cooperation in Russian-Chinese relations have been overestimated. In particular, in connection with the “quirks” of the Russian policy regarding the construction of an oil pipeline in the Far Eastern District, China saw that, in strategic terms, Russia is distrustful of its policy. By the arrival of Hu Jintao, the Chinese leadership finally adopted a normal weighted point of view on their national interests and the need to regulate their ties with Russia.

China appreciates Russia's international status. In the diplomatic strategy of China, relations between the two countries are in second place after cooperation with the United States. But only relations with Russia have been given the status of not just “strategic partnership”, but “strategic partnership and coordination.” For China, this means “cooperation, when one of the parties plays a leading, and the other - a supporting role.” It is believed that Russia played a leading role on the Kosovo issue, and China secretly supported it, on China’s North Korea issue was a leading player, and Russia provided strategic support. Currently, the problem of Afghanistan is becoming increasingly acute. China regards it as an object of economic investment and transport projects and at the same time considers Russia to be the main partner in finding solutions to stabilize the situation in this country after the withdrawal of the US and other NATO countries.

China has expanded its relations with Russia to promote mutual understanding and strategic trust. Politically, Beijing is pursuing a friendly and coordinated policy towards Moscow, which has become the core of China’s foreign policy. At the same time, China, to the maximum extent possible for it, is observing the national interests of Russia. This concerns Central Asia and is carried out with the help of the SCO. A regular exchange of visits of the leaders of the two countries, as well as meetings on a multilateral basis. From 1996 to 2012, 16 meetings were held at the Prime Minister level.

Second, China has expanded its economic relations with Russia. Under Yeltsin, trade between Russia and China fluctuated within 5 – 8 billion dollars. After the signing of the Treaty of Friendship and Good Neighborhood in 2001, the volume of trade quickly increased and amounted, according to the General Customs Administration of China, 88,16 billion dollars in 2012 and 95,28 billion dollars in 2014 year. According to the Ministry of Economic Development of China, China occupies the 1-place among Russia's trading partners, and Russia among the partners of China is in the 9-th place in terms of turnover.

The growth of economic ties stimulates cooperation and interaction at all levels, forms a common vision of common interests and strengthens China’s political ties with Russia.

At the same time, it should be understood that for China it is extremely important that Russia does not suffer a political defeat in the new conflict with the West. The Chinese are ready to assist to keep it, to pursue its independent political line. On the other hand, according to Russian analysts, China has a set of tasks related to ensuring its energy, resource security, as well as diversification of foreign economic relations. Therefore, he will be interested in investing in raw materials, infrastructure and in the acquisition of some industrial assets in Russia. This is mainly about investments that will come largely from large state-owned Chinese companies.

It is clear that Beijing sees itself as a major player in relations with Russia, including within the framework of the US-Russia-China strategic triangle. The Chinese understood that in the “two” proposed by the United States, they had the role of a junior partner, and this does not suit them.

RUSSIAN VIEWS ON STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP WITH CHINA

From the Russian point of view, the importance of developing relations with the PRC is determined by the following considerations: common interests and concerns about the international situation; the need to provide a peaceful environment for economic development; concern about the fate of the Russian Far East; and the benefits of trade and economic cooperation with Asia’s fastest growing economy.

Russian views on relations with China are presented differently in different groups, political trends and individual experts. Based on these ideas, one can expect that in the foreseeable future Moscow will develop closer relations with Beijing.

According to Russian analysts, in Russia at present there are three different approaches to relations with China: close friendly relations or an alliance with China; a balanced policy toward China without a close rapprochement, but with an emphasis on joint development, or a "Chinese threat" and a "demographic invasion of the Chinese."

One of the main considerations of supporters of the “Chinese threat” theory is that many of the Russian weapons requested by Beijing are promising developments in recent years and are capable of significantly disrupting the balance of forces along the entire perimeter of the Chinese border, including its Russian part. According to some experts, the Kremlin is forced to go on such conditions, because our country has fallen into long-term economic dependence on China. In fact, the Eastern partner enjoys an unfavorable geopolitical situation for Moscow.

Another important consideration is the following. Yes, now in the conditions of sanctions from the West, help from China would be very helpful. However, the consequences of this assistance can be ambiguous and will predetermine the place of Russia in the world, in particular, the place that it will take in playing up the US-China rivalry in Asia. According to experts, there will not even be any options when you have giant Chinese state-owned companies among the key projects, and these are actually Chinese ministries, and you will directly interact with China on all economic issues. If this process starts, there will be certain political and economic consequences, the main of which may be that in the Russia-China bond, only the slave will be the first to be prepared.

Of course, Asia is big, and you need to remember about other countries. For us, relations with Japan are very important (and the Russian leadership understands this). Under strong US pressure, she was forced to support certain anti-Russian sanctions to a limited extent, but she didn’t like it very much. And, for example, such an ally of the United States as South Korea did not support anything at all. Even if we talk about America’s allies in Asia, they are much more independent, reliable and promising players than Europe. Therefore, it is strange for now to talk about some kind of dependence on China. Russia still has a big dependence on Europe, with which it has 50% turnover, and so it would be possible to continue to build and develop relations with Japan, India, Vietnam, Korea, Turkey and other countries.

On the other hand, now the situation has changed dramatically. If earlier it was possible to adhere to the line of maneuver, to discuss this or that project for years, to calculate options for cooperation with other partners, now there is no need to choose for a long time, problems need to be solved. During the sanctions period, China will not have serious competitors, and the Chinese understand this well.

Analysts, of course, have expressed doubts about Russia's capabilities in the East, since it cannot provide such security guarantees as the United States provides, and has “not enough economic forces” to maintain a long and stable presence in Asia. However, despite all alarmist theories, it seems that Russia's policy will be balanced, and relations with China will undoubtedly be one of Russia's top priorities.

PARTNER OR ALLY?

Although skeptics may perceive Russia's position on the issue of the disputed islands as evidence of the weakness of Russian-Chinese relations, this viewpoint is unfounded. In international relations, strategic partnership is increasingly used by states that want to deepen economic, political, military, or potentially even cultural ties with another country. Due to the fact that this partnership is “strategic” in its essence, relations between countries focus on areas of mutual interest. Russia's cautious stance on the disputed islands does not contradict strategic partnership, since it is not an area where both countries have mutual interests. In fact, in both island disputes, Russia has its own conflict of interest: it is necessary to avoid escalation of tensions with Japan and maintain growing cooperation with Vietnam in the energy field, which directly contradicts the need to support China. In any case, Russia's cautious stance reinforces the character of the Russian-Chinese strategic partnership by demonstrating that in the event of a conflict of interests, Russia will refrain from both resolute support and condemnation of its ally in strategic partnership.

The same goes for China’s position on the crisis in Ukraine.

But then what does this mean for Russian-Chinese relations as a whole? In fact, these two cases demonstrate, as in many strategic partnerships, the shortcomings of the absence of a formal military alliance, whose members must strictly follow their commitments. For some, this may seem to be a flaw inherent not only in Russian-Chinese relations, but in the strategic partnership itself as such as a whole. However, this flaw turns out to be an advantage, since this kind of relationship gains extreme flexibility with minimal risk of falling into the trap of tight commitments that could lead to undesirable consequences. Moreover, as historical experience shows, treaties alone cannot define practical relations between Russia and China. That is why the Chinese emphasize that Russia is for them a strategic partner - not an ally, but a partner.

The current rapprochement between Russia and China is very far from the creation of an anti-American bloc. Obviously, both countries are still looking for opportunities for cooperation with the United States and other countries, including in the West.

Therefore, Russia and China have to balance between their own national interests and each other’s national interests.

It should be borne in mind that, in the Russia-China bundle, the latter is today more free to make decisions. It would seem that in Moscow they could breathe a sigh of relief when the new leadership of China did not accept the US proposal to form a “dual center”. But this may mean not only and not so much China’s consideration of the interests of the Russian-Chinese strategic partnership, but rather shows that it can do without allied relations with both the United States and Russia. In China, they are very cautious about the prospect of attracting the United States as a third force in resolving existing contradictions in the Asia-Pacific region. The Asia-Pacific regional security concept in China is seen as the “Asian Community of Common Destiny”, with China's indisputable leadership in the Asia-Pacific region and its economic dominance in the region.
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  1. +3
    7 March 2015 18: 48
    Naturally...
    In comparison, NATO, the cooperation between Russia and China is based on mutual understanding and mutual benefit.
    But NATO will have a damn leg — more dictates than cooperation.
    1. -8
      7 March 2015 19: 44
      NATO will no longer be. The EU creates its own armed forces. And unlike the PRC, they will be a REAL ally ... PRC - so, companion, up to a certain point
      1. +8
        7 March 2015 19: 47
        Is Europe an ally? Not in the near future.
        So far for many years she was only hostile to us.
        1. 0
          7 March 2015 20: 31
          Have you analyzed the degree of connection between "physical" and financial markets between the EU and the Russian Federation?
          1. 0
            7 March 2015 21: 49
            Yes, this connection began to decline after the imposition of sanctions ... The financial emphasis is placed on the BRICS.
            Quote: Eugene-Eugene
            Have you analyzed the degree of connection between "physical" and financial markets between the EU and the Russian Federation?
        2. +2
          7 March 2015 21: 02
          Quote: quilted jacket
          Is Europe an ally? Not in the near future.
          So far for many years she was only hostile to us


          With enviable periodicity and constancy, Europe attacks the USSR, before Russia (and before that Eurasia) See what is happening now - the real NATO offensive after the collapse of the USSR, the post-war "cold war" with the USSR, the aggression of united Europe in 1941, 1914, 1812 again united Europe (not only the French and Napoleon were there - all were Hungarians and Poles and Swedes, etc.) 1612, and before that the Swedes and Poltava - and before that Nevsky had to drown the dogs of the knights in the lake, etc. - you can continue before the time of the Huns and Attila

          It’s stupid to think that what Europe has been doing for thousands of years without a break, it will suddenly take and stop - there seems to be no end to it
          1. +2
            7 March 2015 21: 08
            Quote: Talgat
            It’s stupid to think that what Europe has been doing for thousands of years without a break, it will suddenly take and stop - there seems to be no end to it

            I completely agree, for now and even now (EU sanctions) we see only hostility on her part.
        3. 0
          8 March 2015 00: 25
          Quote: quilted jacket
          Is Europe an ally? Just not in the near future. Until for many years it was only hostile to us.
          - Why is she so hostile at once? In life, they are white and fluffy, but only the "natural" need to get into the "golden billion" makes unhappy Europe a rare bunch ...
          1. 0
            10 March 2015 08: 00
            Regarding the creation of the united Euro-Armed Forces, this motivator is more likely to work here: for the same money that we pay SHISHA for NATO, it is possible to build an Armed Forces no worse and cheaper in maintenance (plus our gunsmiths will earn), and most importantly, we will only control them
      2. +4
        7 March 2015 21: 07
        The EU will certainly never be our ally, and do not write such nonsense anymore.
      3. +1
        7 March 2015 21: 45
        Why such a forecast? Why do we need to form an alliance with Western liberals ..... There are completely different values ​​and it seems that Muslimization is waiting for Europe ..
        Quote: Eugene-Eugene
        NATO will no longer be. The EU creates its own armed forces. And unlike the PRC, they will be a REAL ally ... PRC - so, companion, up to a certain point
        1. -1
          7 March 2015 23: 37
          I will answer in order:

          Is Europe an ally?

          Yes, this is a historical process, today the Allies, tomorrow the enemies, the day after tomorrow as part of the Eurasian Confederation

          Financial emphasis placed on BRICS


          Look at the trade turnover between the BRICS countries - in addition to trying to create a common shaft between the Russian Federation and the PRC, they tend to zero. Not the fact that economic friendship with a neighbor will turn out. See: gas cost of the northern latitudes.

          there seems to be no end to this [aggression of evros against Russia]

          You're right. Russia has occupied and continues to hold strategic positions of world significance. And she always fought for their preservation and, if possible, expansion. This is geopolitics. While there is a neighbor, wait for a feed from him. The bottom line: today there is one enemy, tomorrow another, so it can maneuver adequately, removing the EU from the USA?

          we see from her [Europe] side only hostility


          Yes, you are right, as part of the EU report to the United States. They are occupied by the states, forced to keep their course, declaring an anti-Russian course, and in real time minimizing sanctions

          Why do we need an alliance with Western liberals

          Yes, even with ..mi. The main thing is that there was no blow from behind in the most crucial moment

          do not write such nonsense anymore


          without argumentation and I’ll ask you not to appear on such sites
      4. 0
        8 March 2015 00: 28
        State your point straight.
      5. 0
        8 March 2015 05: 22
        What are you drinking? Do not take this palette anymore, it is harmful!
      6. DDW
        0
        8 March 2015 05: 58
        Is Europe an ally? Never! Consumer of our resources and distributor of goods - Yes!
        And with China we need to maintain equal friendly relations, if not more ...
        China may come to the rescue on occasion, but Europe is unlikely ...
        China is booming. Europe is falling. And this fall will definitely lead to an escalation of relations with Russia.
    2. Denis fj
      +1
      7 March 2015 19: 48
      An explanatory analysis, we add that China rightly does not trust the United States and understands the importance of a strong ally in its west in the person of Russia. We must balance Russian-Chinese relations with a sharp increase in ties with Japan, but do it so skillfully so as not to cause China’s wariness.
      1. +1
        7 March 2015 21: 47
        Quote: denis fj
        We must balance Russian-Chinese relations with a sharp increase in ties with Japan, but do it so skillfully so as not to cause China’s wariness.

        1. Relations with the PRC are balanced. 2001 - Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation. Mutually beneficial partnerships.
        2. China / Japan. Relations of rivalry, struggle for leadership in the Asia-Pacific region.
        3. RF / Japan. There is no peace treaty since 1945. Japan demands the return of 4 islands of the Kuril ridge and 1/2 Sakhalin to its jurisdiction. She is an ally of the United States, American bases are on its territory!
        And you propose to betray, "throw" a strong partner for the sake of some incomprehensible "sharp strengthening of ties with Japan," an ally of the Yankees, with territorial claims against us. ???????????????????
        But such a counterbalance as India is not mentioned in the article.
        But it is India that is the stumbling block for China on the path to dominance in the Asia-Pacific region. India and I have a strategic privileged partnership. That's where the obvious counterbalance to China!
        This is what our policy in the Asia-Pacific region is based on.
  2. +12
    7 March 2015 18: 52
    At present, China is our very important geostrategic ally. If not for the support of China, we would be crushed. However, China is an extremely dangerous and not reliable ally. The third force can always turn its power against us. The uninhabited Far East beckons China as a golden eldorado and this is not an easy question.
    1. +6
      7 March 2015 19: 31
      We have no choice now !!! And China too !! We need each other due to a number of circumstances! But it is better to be friends with China mutually beneficial than everyone to fight with the mattress in its various expansion independently! hi
      1. +2
        7 March 2015 21: 07
        I agree, China is a forced ally - as long as there is a threat from world aggressors

        For a while - for years 20 -30 maybe - and then God knows what will happen next

        Therefore, we must not lose these 20 years - and restore the alliance and strength of all post-Soviet republics
        1. +1
          8 March 2015 05: 48
          Quote: Talgat

          Therefore, we must not lose these 20 years - and restore the alliance and strength of all post-Soviet republics

          Well said! And this, in my opinion, is being done. And in relation to China, it is a very complex, smart and cunning ally!
  3. +6
    7 March 2015 18: 53
    PARTNER OR ALLY?


    In trade-partner, in the fight against the US-ally, in mutual interstate relations and claims-a possible adversary. The real allies are ..- well, you know ...
    1. +1
      7 March 2015 19: 11
      Quote: Aleksander
      PARTNER OR ALLY?


      In trade-partner, in the fight against the US-ally, in mutual interstate relations and claims-a possible adversary. The real allies are ..- well, you know ...

      While China is our ally, it must be used to its fullest, as with nuggle-saxes, and there it will be seen hi
  4. +4
    7 March 2015 18: 54
    - With the island near Khabarovsk we seem to have messed up a lot ....
    1. +1
      7 March 2015 19: 48
      Quote: Katernik
      - With the island near Khabarovsk we seem to have messed up a lot ....

      This is only the beginning. He is impudent in China. I would like them to shred each other with the Americans.
  5. +2
    7 March 2015 19: 06
    But in a dispute over the islands, China could have been supported - the crown will not fall. Japan is an even smaller friend to us.
  6. +8
    7 March 2015 19: 19
    As a result, Beijing will receive such advanced products of the Russian defense industry as the S-400 anti-aircraft missile system, the Su-35 multi-functional fighter, Onyx anti-ship missile systems, etc.

    What Beijing will get is stated clearly and readily. And what will Moscow get? Will China Share Its Technology? Or is it limited to supporting diplomacy, investing in the energy sector, the fruits of which will flow into the Middle Kingdom, and other equally useful things? Instead of the West, oil and gas will flow to the East, and consumer goods will return, not just European, but Chinese. Having removed the oil needle from the left buttock, we immediately plant it in the right, but deeper. And let's call it wise politics.
    1. +2
      7 March 2015 19: 46
      In which buttock you do not put the needle, you will not get rid of it !!! You can play with a needle while building your own industry and production! And unfortunately, this is the only way to preserve the well-being of the country until it has conquered other markets! You understand that the government is doing everything possible to get off it, but it takes time !! In the Yeltsin era, everyone, on the contrary, argued that we would drown the whole world in our oil and gas! But as the saying goes "they drank ate had fun, they thought they shed tears" and this process now leads us to its final reality !!!
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      2. +2
        7 March 2015 20: 38
        Where did you see the construction industry and production? Have they built a fence-building plant in the urban-type settlement for 15 jobs? Under temporary detention facilities, 1000 plants and factories were built per year, and city-forming. And what does the government do to get off the oil and gas needles? Never mind! They are waiting for 2 years to resolve itself. The president said so!
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    3. +1
      7 March 2015 22: 05
      Quote: Mikhail M
      Instead of the West, oil and gas will flow to the East, and consumer goods will return,
      Have you heard anything about microelectronics and the element base for our electronics industry? Sorry!
  7. +2
    7 March 2015 19: 33
    Have you ever seen Chinese factory things? Excellent quality, I will tell you !!!
  8. 0
    7 March 2015 19: 38
    Better a dragon friend at the border than a corrupt dog!
  9. +3
    7 March 2015 19: 52
    Quote: rasputin17
    At present, China is our very important geostrategic ally. If not for the support of China, we would be crushed. However, China is an extremely dangerous and not reliable ally. The third force can always turn its power against us. The uninhabited Far East beckons China as a golden eldorado and this is not at all a simple matter.
     

    rasputin17 (2) Today, 19:31 ↑ New
    We have no choice now !!! And China too !! We need each other due to a number of circumstances! But it is better to be friends with China mutually beneficial than everyone to fight with the mattress in its various expansion independently!

    Two opinions that do not exclude the other, but supplement. Both are correct, and there is no third.
    1. +2
      7 March 2015 20: 29
      I myself have been to China many times and I have friends there who sincerely see us as a Big and Strong Brother and with whom they see the road to their bright future !!! Dear comrades! As one Indian sage said: Get rid of prejudice and you will become free!
      China is now necessary for us, and we are to him! It’s better to lay the foundation of friendship with him as it was done in the SCO and move on! Let's learn to trust each other once we want real friendship !!
  10. +6
    7 March 2015 19: 57
    We - Russia and China - are very much needed by each other NOW ... Only the author all the time talks about strategic tasks, but they are prepared by a complex of operational and tactical tasks to be solved ... China abandoned the China-USA axis, most likely because he subsequently it will take ALL and ONE ... For all these years of the Cold War between the USA and the USSR, then 10-15 years of incomprehension in Russia, no one even managed to notice what China had turned into ...

    WHEREOF you need to be friends, BUT with caution ... And it’s dumb, of course, to supply your weapons, which the cat wept in his own troops ... But for now, you NEED to be friends ...

    PS To be honest, I DO NOT envy Putin very much ... But I hope that he will fulfill the task that he shouldered on his shoulders to restore former glory to Russia, and we all must help him with what we can, first of all, trust ...
  11. 0
    7 March 2015 20: 20
    We now need China and China needs us! Over time, we will be able to agree and find a compromise since the world cannot be unipolar and we don’t have to nightmare all the people with Chinese expansion! East is a delicate matter! Here is its own policy in which there is always a way to agree! And the contracts of serious players in the east is the law! Now we are another common enemy !!
  12. 0
    7 March 2015 20: 23
    The assignment of a "special status" to the PRC for the transfer of first-level technologies from Russia is short-sighted. In the days of the USSR, this was not done. And no country in the West does that. Either fools or traitors do this. Well, they don't seem to keep fools in power. So ... Isn't it time to restore the KGB?
    1. 0
      8 March 2015 01: 32
      Yeah, did China create the atomic bomb on its own? Here is the technology of the very first level, the first does not happen!
      So do not talk about the USSR.
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  14. +1
    7 March 2015 20: 48
    While Russia, although not entirely successful, is trying to sit on two chairs at the same time, a legitimate question arises: -How long? In my opinion In the prevailing and confirmed in-depth analysis of the past, Russia should to a greater extent develop strategic partnership with the countries of Southeast Asia and primarily with China than with Europe. In the near future, Europe will begin to rapidly lose its position in the world and the demographic will play not the last role. Russia in this regard is simpler, we have long and unconditionally declared our multiconfessionality and childhood diseases on this issue have already been practically ill. Europe is only approaching them and still does not really understand what lies ahead. Cooperation with China, if not cool, gives promising prospects, so you need to look first to Asia and the closest allies, although this process will not be easy, China, Iran (taking into account its strategic position), and India should become. Only develop the data directions, with each country, you need to carefully, steadily, trying not to forget about your strategic interests anywhere (which by the way turned out to be good for the Russian Empire). We need to be friends with those where we have (or will have in the near future) interests for many decades: Chinese investments and our military technologies, as well as reserves of almost all types of minerals, make the prospects of friendship for many years real.
  15. KIL
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    7 March 2015 21: 28
    Well, why only oil and gas. 5% for the idea of ​​Chinese shovels are bad they all curse, and I need a lot of shovels China a long and deep channel, you give delivery !!! Smile forum users, after 2,5 hours of celebration. laughing laughing laughing Yes mom love
  16. 0
    7 March 2015 23: 51
    Why say something that isn’t present? Why did you decide that China is our ally? A trading partner, yes. And China also needs our weapons development, because they simply don’t have such. And attempts to copy have a miserable likeness of the left hand. The USA and Europe They simply don’t give their weapons technologies. And the Chinese understand that many of Russia's developments are slightly superior to their American counterparts. This is the first. And the second. They need our resources. I’m not saying that they want to seize our territories, namely resources. industry, which came in second place, needs the resources of Russia. Since it’s closer to take, they don’t have any other sources. That's all. But they didn’t think to be allies of Russia. Because they have half of the business in the USA. And swearing with the USA and they will never be Europe.
  17. 0
    8 March 2015 00: 31
    Thank you for your congratulations, KIL - briskly narrow-eyed Russian girls of school age who live in Russian-Chinese and Chinese families in the Far East answered amicably
  18. 0
    8 March 2015 01: 45
    China remembers everything. In general, he measures time in other categories, not years, but centuries. And he remembers - and the "opium wars", their humiliation and practically the colonization of China, and the uprising of the "boxers", in the suppression of which both Russian troops distinguished themselves, and the Japanese occupation. He remembers everything. China's industrial potential is looking for markets. The industrial development of Russia is also "out of hand" for him. And in terms of the transfer of military technology. Selling weapons is not selling technology. You cannot fight with purchased weapons. And to copy purchased weapons - China has so far succeeded - not very well. Despite his declared mastery of the production of aircraft engines, their engines cannot withstand either thrust or, moreover, resource. So they can puff up their cheeks, but they buy engines, how cute. The same for rockets (including space), and much more. Even the Chinese AK, despite its cheapness, understanding people prefer the Russian one.
  19. 0
    8 March 2015 01: 46
    It is also necessary to remember about the "special vision" of China's status on the Northern Sea Route! How such "desires" begin and end for his neighbors has long been known!
  20. 0
    8 March 2015 11: 13
    A good, detailed analysis, in general - you can’t argue. The article is a plus, although a bit long. (Guys! Learn nevertheless to express thoughts shorter!) fellow
  21. 0
    8 March 2015 14: 56
    Do not give everything to China with fear. China is objectively interested in the military power of Russia directed against the United States. Therefore, China will support Russia. And now it may turn out that we are bargaining at a loss. It should be calmer and without fuss ... More confidence and dignity! It’s not necessary to promise everything in a row, so that later there will be no problems.

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