Strange news about the repair of the submarine B-239 "Karp"

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At the end of the nineties from the naval forces fleet Russia was launched the third-generation nuclear submarine B-239 "Karp", built according to the project 945 "Barracuda". Over the next few years, the further fate of this ship was in question. A few years ago, it was decided to repair and modernize the submarine, after which it could return to duty. In addition, it is planned to repair and upgrade the Kostroma B-276 nuclear submarine. The necessary work was entrusted to the Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center (Severodvinsk). At the end of February, information on the progress of repair and modernization appeared in the domestic media, which can be considered a cause for concern.



Recall 14 of May last year, the Ministry of Defense and the enterprise "Zvezdochka" signed a contract to repair and upgrade two nuclear submarines of the 945 project. Over the next few years, the Severodvinsk workers first had to rebuild the Karp nuclear submarine and then begin to modernize the Kostroma. It was planned to carry out the troubleshooting, unload nuclear fuel from the reactors, replace electrical equipment and various special equipment, as well as repair damaged components and assemblies. In accordance with the existing contract, the submarine B-239 "Karp" was to return to the Northern Fleet in 2017 year. Completion of work on “Kostroma” was to be held later.

Until recently, any negative news about repair "Karp" absent. 24 in February, the information agency Flotprom, citing its sources on Zvezdochka and an unnamed subcontractor company, reported that repair work on the first Barracuda is currently being rolled up. According to one of the anonymous sources, the reason for this may be the termination of funding of works by the Ministry of Defense. No other details were reported.

February 26 responded to this news by the press service of the Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center. In its blog in LiveJournal, the press service stated that the company Zvezdochka is the executor of the state contract for the repair of two nuclear submarines of the 945 project. Contract status for order no. 3001 (Karp submarine) - current. All work under the contract of the Ministry of Defense is carried out in accordance with the plan. In addition, it was noted that the customer under the current contract is the military department, and work can be stopped only on his instructions.

The press service of Zvezdochki did not comment on the specifics of financing the repair of the N-BNN-X nuclear submarine, saying that “there is no spirituality in this”. However, she recalled the restoration of the submarine "Yekaterinburg", which began to be repaired not only without funding, but also before receiving the corresponding order. Thanks to this, it was possible to complete all the necessary work and pass the boat to the fleet on time - until the end of 239.

Finally, the press service of the Shipbuilding Center, with poorly concealed sarcasm, wished its colleagues from the media to retain such qualities as “violent imagination and promiscuity in sources” that are capable of cheering up the staff of the enterprise.

A day later, 27 in February, the information agency Flotprom again raised the topic of the repair of the nuclear submarine B-239 and, responding to the commentary from the Zvezdochka press service, published some new information. This time, allegedly, information was received from three more sources at the ship repair enterprise and two of the related organizations. From these unnamed persons, the journalists of Flotprom received additional information on the progress of work on the so-called. 3001 order.

According to the source of the news agency, in December, the maintenance of the steam generating plant of the Karp submarine was still going on. However, to date, even the issuance of repair orders has been terminated. The order is planned to be mothballed. In addition, this source confirmed the information about the work stopping due to lack of funding.

Another source, Flotprom, reported that all repair work on the submarine had been stopped on February 25, and there is no secret to this.

An interesting fact is that the third source of the information agency told a different version of the reasons for the suspension of repair work. According to him, in the near future, the Karp submarine was going to be brought into the workshop to continue repairs. However, the Zvezdochka Shipbuilding Center is currently implementing a project to modernize production facilities, and is also busy with the execution of other orders. For this reason, the Karp submarine cannot yet be brought into the workshop for the next stages of repair and modernization.

Also, Flotprom notes that, according to all three sources on Zvezdochka, funding for other orders did not stop, as a result of which the planned work continues without stopping and in accordance with existing plans.

Earlier, some domestic media reported that the repair and modernization of one submarine of the 945 “Barracuda” project would cost the military department approximately the same amount as the construction of the Yenen 885 multi-purpose nuclear submarine - Severodvinsk. The exact cost of construction of the latter is unknown, but in most of the estimates there is a figure of about 560 billion rubles. Thus, the version of Flotprom about the absence of the necessary financing looks quite plausible, since the project of repair and modernization of Karp and Kostroma can be extremely expensive.

Nevertheless, the press service of the Zvezdochka Shipbuilding Center has direct access to the enterprise and some information about its work. Thus, her messages look much more convincing than information from unnamed sources. From this it follows that repair work continues, and all existing problems, if any, are of a purely working nature and are not able to seriously affect the course of the order.

According to reports, the repair and modernization of two 945 submarines of the project have a high priority for several reasons. First of all, this reduction of labor costs and, as a result, the cost of new submarines due to the lack of need for the construction of new buildings. At the same time, new equipment and weapons should provide a significant increase in combat performance. In addition, the chosen approach will allow the preservation of unique titanium shells, the creation of which can be considered a real achievement of the domestic defense industry.

The durable case of titanium alloys has several advantages over steel. Due to the greater strength of the materials used, it was possible to develop a submarine with a reduced displacement, as well as with an increased immersion depth. The submarines of the 945 project are capable of diving to a depth of 600 m, which is about one and a half times the maximum submarine depth of some projects of the previous second generation. In addition, a titanium case having low magnetic properties is more difficult to detect with magnetometers and fuses of magnetic mines.

However, having a number of significant advantages, titanium as a submarine hull material loses to other alloys for the price. Due to the high cost of a robust hull, only two submarines of the 945 “Barracuda” project and two 945A “Condor” projects were built. In addition, one nuclear submarine of the 945B Mars project was laid, but the financial problems of the early nineties led to a halt in construction.

As follows from recent reports, the repair of the submarine "Karp" continues and goes on schedule. This means that in the absence of serious problems, this submarine will be able to return to the combat strength of the Northern Fleet already in the 2017 year. Then the Zvezdochka Shipbuilding Center will repair the Kostroma nuclear submarine, which will be built in the next few years. Thus, by the end of the decade, the Russian Navy will receive two upgraded 945 “Barracuda” submarines with new equipment and weapons installed in a titanium hull with unique characteristics.


On the materials of the sites:
http://flotprom.ru/
http://zvezdochka-ru.livejournal.com/
http://svpressa.ru/
http://flot.com/
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  1. +6
    6 March 2015 07: 22
    The press center of the enterprise, as usual, carries out misinformation, because they are controlled - from the protection departments to the management of the enterprise.
    But the ease with which the journalists from grains of different sources conclude is amazing. Nowadays, it’s becoming increasingly difficult to keep open secrets, especially organizational and financial plans.
    1. +10
      6 March 2015 08: 54
      Well, the press center, even though the office is well known. But for women of magazines, often, the source is the type "OBS". Or the cleaning lady "Aunt Manya" from the office. To speak this way one needs proof, at least indirect.
    2. +3
      6 March 2015 11: 26
      The press center of the enterprise, as usual, carries out misinformation, because they are controlled - from the protection departments to the management of the enterprise.
      But the ease with which the journalists from grains of different sources conclude is amazing. Nowadays, it’s becoming increasingly difficult to keep open secrets, especially organizational and financial plans.
      Yes, for some positions, our counterintelligence officers work well, preventing leaks (for example, "Armata", photos of the platform have not appeared on the network, although the parade is probably already being rehearsed), but where finances and all sorts of muddy people who hang around them, leaks occur regularly.
    3. 0
      6 March 2015 11: 59
      "My" sources from the plant have confirmed to me, so far, that the work on the ship is being frozen for a while.
      1. +4
        6 March 2015 22: 12
        Quote: Anton Gavrilov
        work on the ship is frozen for a while.
        It's okay, we also "froze". The reasons are simple. We revised the expenditure items of the adjusted budget. Today, the GDP has announced by televised throughout the country that defense spending will not be cut. This means that in April financial flows will again irrigate the “frozen projects”. It has always been that way.
    4. +3
      6 March 2015 12: 00
      And by the way, the ultimate test diving depth for boats of the project 945 (A), not 600, but 700 meters.
      1. jjj
        0
        6 March 2015 21: 00
        Well, the general "Zvezdochka" Vladimir Nikitin is expected at the Central Research Institute. Krylova
    5. Denis fj
      0
      6 March 2015 13: 18
      << Should we upgrade our Soviet-era titanium submarines? >>
      Only experts can answer this question - those who developed these nuclear submarines and who know well the state of our shipbuilding industry in comparison with what was once in the USSR. But these people will not give interviews for well-known reasons. This question probably arose because it was urgently needed to restore the combat power of our fleet. And if there are no other options now, then it is necessary to modernize the remaining Soviet nuclear submarines ...
      1. hoard
        0
        6 March 2015 14: 27
        "The repair and modernization of one submarine of Project 945 Barracuda will cost the military department about the same amount as the construction of the head multipurpose nuclear submarine of Project 885 Ash"
        If so, then why repair aging 3rd generation boats? The overhaul price is usually higher than the cost of building a new ship - this is a well-known fact in shipbuilding. And I did not quite understand the article - why publish some inarticulate rumors from the undercover fight - who cares?
        "At the same time, the new equipment and weapons should provide a significant increase in combat characteristics. In addition, the chosen approach will preserve the unique titanium hulls ..."
        These very dubious calculations need detailed evidence that is difficult even for specialists)))).
        1. +5
          6 March 2015 22: 44
          [quote = magot] why repair obsolete 3rd generation boats? [/ quote]The question is, of course, interesting! (with)
          1. There is a base for modernization. Why not upgrade?
          2. The case is titanium. No corrosion. Non-magnetic. Lasting.
          4. Barracuda is definitely being upgraded to 4th generation.
          5. Put a bowler 600 series, the noise will decrease significantly. Or maybe they will embody the idea of ​​full electric movement.
          6. The Northern Fleet will act as the OSS Sever. And in the Arctic, such boats are needed that disabled the Baton Rouge, and only the racks of the retractable fencing themselves were equal. (exaggerating)
          [quote] Overhaul price is usually higher than the cost of building a new ship [quote] Not a fact. It all depends on the volume and complexity of the work. About the fact that Karp will cost more than the head Ash - nonsense! Because the price of the head building, as a rule, includes the price of R&D.
          For the price of Ash. Yes, it is more expensive than Borey, but not very much: 30/23 billion rubles. Where did the 40 lard price come from? This is clearly a provocation: for economic reasons, no one would "sew a new vest out of old pants." In USC, like nowhere else, they know how to count pennies!
          So, the contract is not broken, but the rhythm and volume of funding should be discussed separately.
          1. hoard
            +1
            7 March 2015 18: 24
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            Barracuda is definitely being upgraded to 4th generation.

            A boa constrictor, with all due respect, but they wrote nonsense. They will put a spherical antenna and TA will do it onboard ?!)))) Below I wrote everything about titanium. About prices - I doubt any info on this subject, because I doubt our sufficient knowledge.
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    6. 0
      7 March 2015 09: 46
      The titanium case ... the price and characteristics are just amazing!
      1. 0
        7 March 2015 17: 26
        Generally, not "titanium", but from a titanium alloy - that's right: "titanium alloys VT23, VT23M, VT14, VT5L, VTZ-1L are used due to the metal's ability not to corrode in sea water, to withstand high mechanical loads. From blanks, such as titanium plates and rods, propellers, shafts, hull plating, etc. In turn, the titanium sheet goes to the production of heat exchangers, mufflers for submarine engines, disks of various measuring instruments. The low specific gravity of titanium alloy makes ships maximally maneuverable, and durability material to salt water makes it possible to significantly reduce the frequency of maintenance of the underwater parts of the vessel. "
        1. +1
          7 March 2015 17: 29
          And here is another opinion of specialists from Lazurit: “The construction of submarines from titanium alloys was carried out only in the CCCP, because at that time the cost of titanium was not so great. But as soon as titanium began to be sold abroad for aviation needs, its price soared. building a titanium boat in modern Russia is unrealistic for economic reasons. "
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  2. +2
    6 March 2015 07: 55
    As it is now customary to say: "everything has its own price." Eh, that would be SMERSH working now ...
    1. avt
      +5
      6 March 2015 08: 49
      Quote: Tamanskiy
      As it is now customary to say: "everything has its own price." Eh, that would be SMERSH working now ...

      Well, I really want someone to merge the remaining titanium boats into the scrap. By the way - with the deceased who governed in Nizhny Novgorod, the last boats were cut on a slipway.
      1. hoard
        -2
        6 March 2015 22: 26
        Quote: avt
        Well, I really want someone to merge the remaining titanium boats into the scrap

        The value of titanium cases is highly controversial. Nobody except the USSR began to build them. Surely this somehow settles. Issues of their operation also certainly have a higher price. By the way, I was still a cadet in practice in the 6th (titanium) division.
        1. +1
          6 March 2015 22: 51
          It’s just that no one except us knew how. For the cost of operation, the case material does not matter.
        2. +5
          7 March 2015 13: 44
          Dear Andrew!
          The value of titanium cases is highly controversial. Nobody except the USSR began to build them. Surely this somehow settles. Issues of their operation also certainly have a higher price. By the way, I was still a cadet in practice in the 6th (titanium) division.
          Of course, I understand that such myths are spread by people far from the navy, but among the submariners, not all "dirty oil buckets", and even more so among the graduates of the Dzerzhinka corps, the cat cried. But the direction of the myth clearly indicates an "interested party" in the destruction of titanium shipbuilding.
          The advantages of the "titanium" case are colossal.
          1 "Radio transparency". Coef. the refractions of the sound wave of titanium and sea water coincide. A sort of underwater stealth. HAC fairing - is not washed out by the oncoming water flow.
          2 Non-magnetic. Again "stealth"
          3 Does not rust. Generally. DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY maintenance during operation, even in the most inaccessible places, and even during factory repairs. Corrosion resistance of the case is "eternal"
          4 The higher modulus of elasticity of the alloy allows the body to retain its specified characteristics for much longer. "Fatigue" comes much later. Together with item 3, it increases the actual service life of the case at times. But there is one more characteristic: the radius of possible damage! For "titans", all other things being equal, it is almost TWO times less. (TNW with contact fuses are not used).
          TOTAL: with an acceptable supply of VI for modernization, the service life of submarines is several times (if not an order of magnitude) longer. And at 945, unlike 705 (alas), everything is in order with a margin.
          And about the cost. The "titanium" case is twice as expensive as the steel one. But the "cost" of the hull is about 10% of the cost of the submarine (for steel). Accordingly, for "titanium" - about 20% of the cost of the entire product, or the price of the product will increase by 10, maximum 15% (including pipelines, equipment cases).
          Think for yourself whether the "high price" of using "titanium" is too "high", given the advantages that it has. hi
          1. hoard
            -1
            7 March 2015 18: 04
            Quote: mpa945
            1 "Radio transparency". Coef. the refractions of the sound wave of titanium and sea water coincide. A sort of underwater stealth. HAC fairing - is not washed out by the oncoming water flow.

            1. Not "radio transparency", but "sound transparency in water". However, all modern GAA fairings are made of fiberglass. Foolishly, probably)))
            Quote: mpa945
            Non-magnetic. Again "stealth"

            2. The low-magnetic iron of a durable casing gives approximately the same effect. In addition, even in a titanium boat there is a lot of iron, so this argument does not roll. By the way, in modern underwater shipbuilding, composite materials are increasingly being used (for example, light copus of modern German boats)
            3. I almost agree with corrosion - with a reservation - there is still electrolytic corrosion, and here there are problems.
            Quote: mpa945
            DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY CARE during operation

            Here you are categorically wrong. Try to correct a damaged fairing or jammed piece of a lightweight titanium case under the conditions of the base. And this often happens in our northern seas with ice.
            4. I agree with the strength characteristics of titanium. But during underwater explosions, cavities, joints and transitions are primarily affected. Not sure if titanium will have an advantage here. There is also a combustion temperature. Remember "Fin".
            TOTAL: Now boats (except for deep-sea special purposes) are not built from titanium. Who needs a long service life of the case (and other dubious advantages), if the development of technology all this eliminates.
            In short, I agree that it is necessary to count. But not to us, and not on these pages. I just showed that the problem is much more complicated than it seems at first glance.
            1. +1
              7 March 2015 20: 19
              However, all modern GAA fairings are made of fiberglass. Foolishly, probably)))
              Neither Malachite (705), nor Lazurite (945), these revelations, apparently were unknown! laughing
              The low-magnetic iron of a sturdy case gives roughly the same effect.
              very much approximately ...
              In addition, even in a titanium boat there is a lot of iron, so this argument does not roll.
              Very little iron, for
              with the caveat, there is still electrolytic corrosion, and here are the problems.
              They didn’t even install emergency blowdown gas generators (steel)! And somehow RU and those and these. But to compensate for a smaller field is somehow easier, don’t you?
              Try to correct a damaged fairing or jammed piece of a lightweight titanium case under the conditions of the base.
              And you probably know the methods of restoring steel tanks and fiberglass fairings in the "base" conditions? Yes, at 534 the streamline (titanium!), After the "jump to the shore" was patched up in the dock. But this rule applies to all "others" in the same way.
              1. +1
                7 March 2015 20: 45
                I will continue ...
                4. I agree on the strength characteristics of titanium. But with underwater explosions, cavities, joints and transitions are primarily affected. Not sure titanium will have an advantage here.
                Hmm ... in terms of strength ... The yield strength of the alloy is 7000, and that of steel is 12000-16000! But here's the modulus of elasticity! This is yes! Bottom line: the skin is thicker, the stability (moment of inertia) of the structure is higher, due to the elasticity without deformation! great influences are "played out". Pure ship building mechanics. Categories sure not sure do not roll.
                There is also a combustion temperature. Remember "Fin".
                Remember K8 and K219. By the way, ALL are uncooked!
                Now boats (except for deep-sea special forces) are not built from titanium.
                But they are building capitalism! IMHO: "mind" in both cases is the same!
                Who needs a long service life of the case (and other dubious advantages), if the development of technology all this eliminates.
                And the Yankees are fools! The axes were redone for axes. We didn’t guess that cutting is more profitable!
                In short, I agree that it is necessary to count. But not to us, and not on these pages. I just showed that the problem is much more complicated than it seems at first glance.
                And I, in fact, just counted! I will not give calculations "on these pages". And the problem will be greatly simplified if you guess who is profitable to "bury" titanium shipbuilding! hi
                1. hoard
                  -2
                  7 March 2015 21: 51
                  No need to look for enemies where they are not))
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    2. +1
      6 March 2015 22: 49
      Quote: Tamanskiy
      I wish SMERSH was working now ...
      Change the laws first! And then call the NKVD with OBKhSS. A smersh is about saboteurs in the rear of the front. The desire is laudable, but not war yet!
  3. +2
    6 March 2015 08: 27
    Oh, these JOURNEYS ....
    Sometimes they would write epics and DISINFORMATION sometimes.
    in icteric it goes very well ....
  4. 0
    6 March 2015 08: 42
    The B-239 entered service in the 1984 year, the B-276 entered service in the 1987 year. Thus, by 2020 year, the first boat will be 36 years, the second 33 year. This is practically the age limit. Even with American nuclear submarines, the service life does not exceed 40 years, and ours, operating in obviously less favorable conditions ... That is the question. Why did they start expensive repairs (and a titanium boat should obviously have more repairs than a steel boat) in order to send the ship for decommissioning after two or three years?
    Wouldn’t it be better to overhaul the ships of the 945 project built in the 1990-1993 years, which are newer, in better technical condition, and after repair can last until the 2030 year, or even a little longer?
    1. +6
      6 March 2015 09: 08
      the filling is changing to the modern one, I saw it as a transmission, the chief designer is some kind, so he said that the case from Titan takes 100 years !!!
    2. 0
      6 March 2015 12: 40
      Pskov is under repair now, which they are planning to finish this year.
  5. +6
    6 March 2015 09: 54
    The internal security service of "Zvezdochka" should work better and the FSB. Then there will be no journalistic ducks and fantasies. It would be more likely that the titanium boats would be put into operation.
  6. +2
    6 March 2015 10: 25
    I read in the press that after the modernization both submarines will become practically equal in functionality to the Ash. So the high cost of modernization is much more related to the price of all equipment than to the cost of the modernization itself.
    1. jjj
      0
      6 March 2015 21: 01
      Quote: xtur
      after modernization, both submarines will become practically equal in functionality to "Ash

      But with its zest
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    1. +7
      6 March 2015 11: 10
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      Just another evidence of how the Kremlin leaders are "reviving the fleet"

      Believe it better in something good. laughing
      1. avt
        +5
        6 March 2015 12: 30
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Just another evidence of how the Kremlin leaders are "reviving the fleet"

        Quote: GRAY
        Believe it better in something good.

        Suggest Oleg to believe in aircraft carriers!? laughing Yes, you are a sadist, my friend!
    2. +3
      6 March 2015 13: 05
      Why did you insert this vulgar picture here?
      Not you created this Coat of Arms, so away from it your filthy little hands.
      For you, article 329 of the Criminal Code cries.

      Site administration, please pay attention.
    3. +3
      6 March 2015 15: 01
      Recently, two more submarines of Project 971 were brought to Zvezdochka (it seems that there was an article at VO), and they will work with them. Everything is simple.
    4. +3
      6 March 2015 23: 00
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      kremlezhuliki "revive the fleet"

      Oleg! Well, you are a smart person. Maybe this is a hidden form of compensation for the costs of Asterisks for the reconstruction of production.
      But in general, the Kremlin houses are sawing in a different place. Where they don't look at the budget under the "small scope", but simply "bury it in the ground." Don't believe me? Read about the East. This is where the "lumberjacks" have worked with all their hearts!
  8. 0
    6 March 2015 12: 44
    In general, this ship was very problematic — the lead ship of the 3 generation, there is a lead ship of the 3 generation. It revealed a serious shortage of speed, a serious mismatch with the given stealth parameters, in general it was very problematic, as they say, During its operation, constantly failures, problems and malfunctions occurred, because of this hemorrhoids it was then withdrawn from the fleet at the end of the 90's.
    1. +11
      6 March 2015 15: 47
      Hello Anton!
      Don't get excited. Although the "fate of the lead ship" was prepared for 239, it did not stand out in any way. Yes, there was one incident with an explosion of hydrogen in pit 1, but ... in a submerged position, they carried out measures for the BZZh and continued the BS. Well, of course, Baryshkov's crew is not Vanin's crew. But that's why:
      during its operation constantly failures, problems and malfunctions occurred
      absolutely not true.
      I had to use this device from 90 to 93. In 90 more than 100 running days. Not a single refusal. At the same time, they participated in the SF exercises. On the blue side. They broke through the lines of the PLO SF. Perfectly good. With complete retention of secrecy in conditions extremely sharpened by the "red". So that and
      serious discrepancy to the specified stealth parameters
      again past.
      239 was built in full accordance with the statement of work; during the tests, it confirmed all the specified parameters.
      Yes, all the subsequent ones had less noise. But - in strict accordance with the assignment - each subsequent one exceeded the previous one. The same picture for 971. By the way, the titans won against their peers. And by the way, the GAS fairing did not suffer from "erosion", unlike steel ones.
      Cons ... For all four, the requirements for blowing up the Central City Hospital, for the supply of VVD, and for the productivity of drainage facilities per hl over 400 m have not been met. That's all.
      And by 96 on Zvezdochka 239 went for an average repair, and quite planned. But then they decided to cut it. Good money is not allocated.
      But I will not comment on the "news". Although ... I will comment on the attempts of the "press".
      Recently, some kind of aggravation ... And the leadership of the fleet is exposed as incompetent, and the USC has financial problems. And the experts are so knowledgeable that they have already estimated the non-existent modernization project at billions. They lead to the conclusion: the leadership of the Navy "luster", and cut the titans ?! Smart! am
      1. +1
        6 March 2015 23: 11
        Quote: mpa945
        But I will not comment on the "news".

        Pasha! Thank you so much for the lens! And then the snot is transported by sleeve along the pug, but they don’t know the essence!drinks
  9. Denis fj
    +4
    6 March 2015 13: 22
    Just read the last four lines of this article and everything falls into place.
    By the way, in what, in what, and in questions of armament in the USSR they knew a lot about the envy of the entire "civilized world". The titanium case is absolutely not subject to corrosion, stronger than steel. Noise issues were solved precisely when diving to great depths (temperature jump depths) where sound waves are generally reflected towards the bottom.
    I'm not saying that there was an experience in the disposal of a titanium submarine. Flies a pretty penny.
    So it’s not clear what the argument is.
  10. +1
    6 March 2015 15: 34
    These boats will still show all their preeelest good
  11. NKV
    +1
    6 March 2015 20: 33
    "Kostroma" has distinguished itself in general, "Baton Rouge" has sent it to the scrap, you can't under the knife in any way, it should still serve!
  12. +1
    7 March 2015 09: 43
    Quote: mpa945
    They lead to the conclusion: the leadership of the Navy "luster", and cut the titans ?! Smart!

    Titanium boats cannot be cut, this is a crime. The case is almost eternal, there is no corrosion as such. On the contrary, there are a number of advantages (see above). The money invested in the construction of titanium boats must be supported by repair and modernization. All this will pay off tomorrow in the Arctic. PS I was a witness to the utilization of “SEALS”, boats 705, etc. Personally, I had a strong feeling that we are cutting spaceships of aliens .....
  13. +1
    8 March 2015 13: 45
    the FLOT.COM edition has been throwing "ducks" for a long time, referring to some sources ...
    Often their information is not confirmed, which smacks of elements of the Western press ...
    And in general, looking at this resource, I recently began to notice that it occupies a pro-Western position in many issues, and is it worth looking behind the backs of these "flotpromists" foreign "pisunov", as indicated by the .com resource domain