War has a feminine face

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In the last decade of February a feature film “Battalion” about the first in the Russian stories female military formation. The picture together with the film group was viewed by the president of the country, the criticism warmly responded. The film became a cultural event of the month. But not artistic merit attracted attention to him, but historical parallels.



From the St. George Knight to the Knights of the Order of Glory

The name of the full George Knight, shot by the Bolsheviks in the year 1920, the commander of the death battalion of Maria Bochkareva, was banned for a long time. Therefore, its history has been little studied. In it, and today a lot of obscure. One thing is obvious - at the very end of World War I, a woman stood up in the Russian army. Maria showed herself in the first battle. She not only withstood the onslaught of the enemy, but also endured more than seventy wounded soldiers after the battle. So M. Bochkareva received her first George.

Examples of participation in the hostilities of Russian women have met before. For the time being, the cavalry-maiden Nadezhda Durova was better known. She was remembered after the film “Hussar Ballad”, which passed on the screens of the country in the middle of the last century. No matter how the creators of the picture reproached that Shurochka Azarov has nothing to do with N. Durova, people simply did not have another type.

War has a feminine face


Maria Bochkareva is another matter. In the film she is under her own name and in real-life events. A rumor about the women's death battalion, which defended the Provisional Government in the Winter Palace to the last, lived among the people. This is after the rehabilitation of M. Bochkareva in 1992, we learn some other details. In fact, on the white banner of the new formation there was a slightly different inscription: "The first women's military team of the death of Maria Bochkareva." He was called the battalion simply because the number of people in 500 was more appropriate for just such a unit. Maria from 2000 volunteers challengers recruited them. However, the rest also did not dissolve into the world. Later, the Provisional Government will form three more female infantry battalions. It will happen closer to the fall of the 1917 year. Because they really didn’t have to do some fighting, and women soldiers will be remembered only by their steadfastness in defending the Winter Army.

The scale of the Great Patriotic War overshadowed the military affairs of the first female military battalions of Russia. During the war, more than 980 women were drafted into the ranks of the Red Army. Of these, three aviation regiment - 46th Guards Night Bomber, 125th Guards Bomber, 586th Air Defense Fighter Regiment. A separate female volunteer rifle brigade, a separate female reserve rifle regiment, and a separate female company of sailors also took part in the battles. There were also women sappers, nurses, signalmen, tankmen ... and, of course, we must not forget the military unit located deep in the rear - the Central Women's School of Snipers. There are many legends about her graduates. However, these are not legends at all, but real military deeds. Here is the Hero of the Soviet Union Lyudmila Pavlichenko (nee Belova). She owns the sniper record of the war - 309 killed enemy soldiers and officers, including 36 enemy snipers. By the end of the war, seventeen female snipers had had more than a hundred dead.

There were many such feats. For actions in the war 90 women awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. I always believed that most of them were famous front-line pilots (31), then snipers. But no. In the second place in the series of Heroes - underground workers and partisans. Awarded 28 people. Almost everything is posthumous. Here is the highest percentage (exactly half - 14) awarded after the war, when it became known about the unprecedented feat of these wonderful women.

Well, there is also the main soldier's reward of war - the Order of Glory, which replaced the St. George Cross, but retained the black-orange ribbon under the inheritance of the brave warriors at the gymnasts. In the Great Patriotic War, four women became full holders of the Order of Glory. Let me remind them of their names: air gunner-radio operator Nadezhda Aleksandrovna Zhurkina, sanitary instructor Matryona Semenovna Necheporchukova, sniper Nina Pavlovna Petrova, machine gunner-gunner of the easel machine gun Danute Yurgio Stanilienee.

Life after the war taught us to appreciate the soldiers on the number of awards on their chest. Somehow you think a little that for women the very fact of being at the front in the harsh conditions of domestic and hygienic restrictions, in conditions of deprivation and mortal danger, is already a feat. Yes, and rewards began to encourage fighters at the turn of the war, after heavy defeats and countless losses.

In the rear, both at the front

The women of the rear with awards almost did not spoil. It is only later, after the war, in June 1945 will establish the medal "For Valiant Labor in the Great Patriotic War 1941-1945." For many years, it will be given to sixteen million people. How many of them are women? Nobody led the gender statistics. But there is other data. By the end of World War II, women made up three-quarters of the workers on collective and state farms, more than half in industry. They went to coal mines and to mines, to forges and foundries, to lay railways and metallurgical enterprises. I found from that time ... In March, 1942 41 women worked in the country's coal mines in March, and by the beginning of 010, their number had already increased to 1943 66 people.

Never been to Georgia. I could not even imagine that there are coal mines under the gardens and vineyards. But I met a note as the housewife Zinaida Muzhitskaya became the first woman in Georgia, who mastered the profession of a coal mining. On the holiday of 8 March, 1942, she completed a shift task with 1336 percent. Several standards were given by her colleagues Pama Abesadze and Euphrosyne Green.

Stories about the heroic work of Russian women during the war years will surprise us little. Hooked on the mention of an old publication Georgian name. Hence, the Georgians did not lag behind. How surprised the women of the East! In the 1944 year, for example, in Azerbaijan they accounted for 61,7% of tractor drivers, 52,2% of assistants to combiners, 35,1% of repair workers and 25,4% of chauffeurs. These figures do not differ much from those in our Siberian villages, except that the percentage of tractor drivers here reached 81.

Or here's an example from little Kyrgyzstan. At the end of 1943, 1222 women worked on the republic’s railway transport. Two of them - Alisa Omurova and Dzhamira Dzhusupova - became train drivers of locomotives.

Another fact finally touched me: during the war years, Uzbek women surrendered for the front 38 725 liters of blood. Later, driving through the city, I met a gaggle of visiting migrant workers and thought: didn’t their loved ones helped my relatives to get out of the heavy front-line wounds? ...

… Victory has many faces. Made up of different puzzles of the war. And this picture became a reference point for many years. We are lucky, our generation has grown up with the winners. In ordinary life, their influence did not seem to be felt. But when the hour of battle came, the grandchildren were not inferior to their grandfathers. So it was when my fellow countryman - a simple rural guy Nikolai Anfinogenov, covering the retreat of fellow soldiers in Afghanistan, blew himself up with a grenade along with the dushmans. For which he was awarded the high title of Hero of the Soviet Union. So it was on the Chechen borders, where in an unequal battle the sixth company of the Pskov paratroopers fell, but did not retreat. The memory of her is revived every March. So it was at an unnamed skyscraper near Debaltsevo, where they burned down in tanks Donetsk guys, taking back their land from the nationals. We have yet to evaluate their high deeds. One thing is obvious - we equate every feat of new heroes according to the highest bar set by the front-line soldiers of the Great Patriotic War. Here the most striking example for us is women who, in a difficult time for the Fatherland, took in their hands weapon or downhole mines ...
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  1. +17
    8 March 2015 06: 30
    The article is only a plus.
    1. +19
      8 March 2015 06: 40
      And yet "War is not a woman's business"!
      And shame on us men who have brought the situation to the point
      so that our women go to combat units, to the front!
      And women today and always HONOR AND RESPECT !
      1. +5
        8 March 2015 06: 54
        I watched a movie with my wife. I highly recommend, of course, it couldn’t do without fiction, but I couldn’t do without it. The hall cried. And Aronova is something, she played very well.
        1. +1
          9 March 2015 21: 43
          I watched only the announcement in the cinema, but immediately drew attention to the musical accompaniment in English, it was simply enraged! At least for this, the authors of the film are a huge minus, the desire to watch the movie completely disappeared!
      2. +16
        8 March 2015 12: 45
        My father’s uncle, a front-line soldier, told me that he saw near Rostov how women anti-aircraft gunners fired on German planes. The men scattered after the first bombs from the dive bombers, and they screeched, but fired. He himself was struck by the anti-tanker with the courage of these women.
        1. +12
          8 March 2015 14: 16
          Our heroes !!!
          1. +4
            8 March 2015 21: 53
            Quote: bekjan
            Our heroes !!!

            -------------------------
            Lyudmila Pavlichenko, by the way, was friends with Eleanor Roosevelt ... A woman is not just heroic, but a world-wide human being, gave speeches in the USA, read, if anyone is interested ...
            I kind of already printed an excerpt, I repeat again, from Wikipedia:
            Later, Eleanor Roosevelt invited Lyudmila Pavlichenko to travel around the country. Lyudmila spoke to the International Student Assembly in Washington, to the Congress of Industrial Organizations (CIO), as well as to New York, but many remembered her performance in Chicago. “Gentlemen,” a clear voice rang out over the crowd of thousands. - I am twenty five years old. At the front, I already managed to destroy three hundred and nine fascist invaders. Do you not think, gentlemen, that you have been hiding behind my back for too long ?! ” The crowd froze for a minute, and then exploded with a frantic noise of approval ... In America, they gave her a Colt, and in Canada - a hard drive (the latter was exhibited at the Central Museum of the Armed Forces). Woody Guthrie, an American country singer, wrote the song "Miss Pavlichenko" about her.
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        3. +1
          10 March 2015 14: 22
          Quote: captain
          My father’s uncle, a front-line soldier, told me that he saw near Rostov how women anti-aircraft gunners fired on German planes. The men scattered after the first bombs from the dive bombers, and they screeched, but fired. He himself was struck by the anti-tanker with the courage of these women.


          When the Germans broke through the German defenses near Stalingrad in August 1942, antiaircraft batteries that didn’t expect anything like that on the tank’s path, the entire composition was female. The girls fought to the end, no one left, all died. The Germans were in shock! Infinitely sorry for our ....
      3. +10
        8 March 2015 14: 46
        Quote: Starover_Z
        And women today and always HONOR AND RESPECT!


        I am joining. A special congratulation to the women of the army of New Russia - on the occasion of you.
      4. +5
        8 March 2015 16: 08
        Quote: Starover_Z
        And women today and always HONOR AND RESPECT!

        I agree with that drinks
        A minus article for ADVERTISING FILM hidden under congratulations of women !!!
        And the fact that the authors of the film are also the owners of the film "Stalingrad" then IMHO he is minus
    2. +2
      8 March 2015 14: 12
      Women are the most beautiful thing that there are people in the world who are created by God, so that a husband and children cherish her.
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    4. +3
      9 March 2015 04: 20
      She not only resisted the onslaught of the enemy, but also endured after the battle more seventy wounded fighters. So M. Bochkareva got her first George.
      what yes well ??? if for one 10 minutes, then it dragged seven hours without a break ... at least the author bent within reason ... lol
    5. +2
      9 March 2015 15: 44
      Ten people put a minus article.
      I really didn’t understand why, maybe enlighten, a hundred did not suit you.
      It seems that everything is correct, and most importantly correctly written, no, I don’t understand what the contradiction is. When you read articles on VO, you immediately understand that among readers, people are different, respectively, and the perception is different, but in this particular case ... no, I don’t understand.
  2. +5
    8 March 2015 06: 38
    Reliable rear - success on the battlefield. The woman covers the back of the warrior. IMHO.
    1. +2
      8 March 2015 14: 20
      Men are men only women.
  3. +10
    8 March 2015 07: 51
    The dead in the sky for the Motherland, become the sky above it soldier



  4. +3
    8 March 2015 08: 01
    ... Victory - it is many-sided. Made up of different puzzles of war. And this picture became a guide for many years. We are lucky, our generation has grown along with the winners. In ordinary life, their influence did not seem to be felt. But when the military hour came, grandchildren were not inferior to grandfathers. So it was when my fellow countryman - a simple rural guy Nikolai Anfinogenov, covering up the withdrawal of fellow soldiers in Afghanistan, blew himself up with his grenades with a grenade. For which he was awarded the high title of Hero of the Soviet Union. So it was on the Chechen borders, where in an unequal battle, the sixth company of the Pskov paratroopers fell, but did not retreat. The memory of her resurrects each coming March. So it was on the nameless skyscraper near Debaltseve, where the Donetsk guys burned in tanks, beating the land from the nationals. We still have to evaluate their high deeds. One thing is obvious - we equate each feat of new heroes with the highest standard set by the front-line soldiers of the Great Patriotic War. Here, the most striking example for us is women who, in a difficult time for the Fatherland, took up arms or went down into the mine face ...
    Respect, to the point of the word !!!
  5. +23
    8 March 2015 08: 03
    Later, the Provisional Government will form three more female infantry battalions.

    The Februaryists first overthrew the monarchy, and then destroyed the army (now everyone knows that the Bolsheviks did it). Having destroyed the army, they invented "shock units" and "death battalions", which enjoyed a dubious reputation in the army, and then they decided to make a knight's move and assemble the first women's battalion.

    Because they really didn’t have to fight

    There is only one known battle in which this unit took part - the "shock women" bravely rose to attack, but the soldiers did not, the Germans hit with artillery and the women, forgetting what they had been taught, rushed about among the explosions. The attack failed. The shell-shocked Bochkareva was taken to the hospital. That's all.
    According to Denikin's recollections, the front-line soldiers called "shock women" - prostitutes, and they had to allocate forces to protect the "shock women" from the soldiers, the general himself was skeptical of this unit, to put it mildly.

    and women soldiers will be remembered solely for their staunchness in defending the Winter Palace.

    Persistence was as follows -
    - after waiting out the rifle and machine-gun shelling from 21-00 to 22-00, which for some reason is called the first assault on the Winter Palace, 137 "shock women" of the women's battalion of death (2nd company) jumped out of the Winter Palace, ostensibly on a sortie, supposedly to free General Alekseev, the chief of defense of the Winter Palace, Colonel Ananyin, tried to stop them, but the "shock workers" were not interested in the orders of the immediate superiors, since the Winter was blocked by the 2nd company of the women's death battalion in full force, was captured. What was it - cowardice or idiocy, I'm afraid we will no longer know.
    The 2nd company did not suffer losses in the "staunch defense". After being taken prisoner, they were placed in the barracks of the Pavlovsky and Grenadier regiments. There were three cases of rape, one suicide. Bochkareva from the front rushed to St. Petersburg to sort it out. Arrested. Released. John Reed in his book "Ten Days That Shook the World" wrote that the suicide left a note, like she was disappointed in her ideals.

    Something like that. hi

    PYSY- if the Ministry of Culture decided to talk about women heroes of the First World War, then we should talk about such people as Alexander Danilov, Kira Bashkirov, Lyudmila Chernousova, Antonina Palshin, Rimma Ivanova and so on, and not make a movie about dubious personalities like Bochkoreva, but maya what is maya. request
    1. +24
      8 March 2015 08: 03
      PYPYSY - once again about cinema. I think many have seen the film "Admiral" there is a scene when a nurse led the attack against the entrenched Bolsheviks, and when she was killed, the angry whites simply swept away the damned Reds in the blink of an eye. Do you remember? So it was, but the screenwriter is a liar! In our reality, this happened on September 9, 1915 near the Carpathian village of Dobroslavka. The 105th Orenburg Infantry Regiment attacked the enemy. Mingling under the destructive fire, the battalion wavered and began to withdraw. And, probably, he returned to his trenches, if suddenly, among the explosions and shots, a woman's voice sounded hysterically: "Where are you, here are the wounded!" A nurse rose from the funnel, around which two dozen soldiers immediately huddled. Fright and confusion in the girl's gaze was replaced by decisiveness. And she threw herself forward, pulling with her the perked up chains. The attack turned into hand-to-hand combat, which ended in a Russian victory. But the girl did not see it any more: she fell several tens of meters before the enemy trenches, beveled by a machine-gun burst together with several fighters who had fled nearby ...
      On September 17, at the highest command of Emperor Nicholas II, the nurse was posthumously awarded the Order of St. George of the 4 degree, which could only be awarded to officers.
      But in this case, the sovereign found it possible to violate the statute of the most honorable military award.

      But who from the world of modern Russian cinema needs the truth when they shoot a film about "the crunch of a French roll?"

      Yes, by the way, the name of the nurse - Rimma Mikhailovna Ivanova, besides this posthumous award, she had others -
      - For the salvation of the platoon commander ensign Sokolov, she was awarded the St. George medal "For Courage" 4-th degree;
      - for the removal from the battlefield of the wounded company commander Lieutenant Gavrilov and the restoration of the communication line - the same reward of the 3 degree;
      - for the removal from the battlefield of Colonel Regiment Commander A. A. Graube, she was awarded the soldier George Cross of the 4 degree.

      But films are shot about criminal Bochkareva, which cannot but upset.

      1. +1
        8 March 2015 08: 54
        Tell me at least one modern film where the screenwriter did not lie, honestly, I don’t know such people.
        Further, about the criminal, you took it from what sources !? I just know that she followed her beloved along the stage.
        Who cares here is a link to a biography
        http://family-history.ru/material/biography/biography_20.html
        1. +17
          8 March 2015 10: 13
          Quote: leks
          Tell me at least one modern film where the screenwriter didn’t lie, honestly I don’t know


          A feature film differs from a documentary in that it contains fiction, but we are talking about a deliberate falsification of our history, when the feat of Rimma Mikhailovna Ivanova at the front was attributed to an unnamed nurse in the fight against the Bolsheviks, like the entire film "Admiral" this is an outright lie and an attempt vilification of our ancestors.

          Quote: leks
          Further, about the criminal, you took it from what sources !?


          What sources did you get the information from? The source you mentioned telling the biography of Bochkareva is based on the book "Yashka", written by Isaac Don Levin, who reworked Bochkareva's stories about her life.
          In this biography, a lot of moments are omitted, for example -
          - that Bochkareva knew and at least covered the gangster activity of her husband Buka in Tomsk;
          - that Bochkareva, together with Buk, opened a butcher shop in Yakutsk as a cover for gang activity;
          - that 2 000 candidates didn’t pass from 1 700 because of the strict selection, but because in particular Bochkareva beat the candidates, which were reported to the higher authorities and there were many, but since Bochkareva secured the support of Kerensky’s wife and according to Kerensky himself, the reports went under the cloth.

          Well, you can still believe Bochkareva - especially how the governor of Yakutsk Kraft I.I. (an outstanding person who has done a lot for the development of Siberia). Residents of Yakutsk I think they can tell me better about Kraft’s activity, but if you think that he desired this, I wash my hands. request
        2. 0
          8 March 2015 10: 18
          Quote: leks
          Tell me at least one modern film where the screenwriter did not lie

          Actually, there is a difference between a feature film and a documentary. Films based on works of art also differ in content from books. That's why he is an ARTistic film.
          1. +13
            8 March 2015 19: 39
            Bayonet
            What is the difference between the feature film "Hot Snow" and Bondarchuk's "Stalingrad"?
            What is the difference between the film "They Fought for the Motherland" and the film "Penal Battalion"?
            What is the difference between the movie "Only Old Men Go to Battle" from the movie "The Fighters"?
            All of them are artistic, only the first are ARTISTIC, based on trench truth, and the second are "artistic" based on fiction, speculation, chernukha and lies.
            There is a difference?
            1. +1
              9 March 2015 15: 56
              They were distinguished by the fact that the former showed at what price our grandfathers achieved victory, and the latter earned money not on the box office but on the order.
              Frank chernukha in our cinema is simply amazing in its unscrupulousness.
              As an example, the film is Bastards, and after all, such films should not be surprised at the lies that are now being put into the heads of the citizens of Ukraine, and ours too.
              Although the position of the actors also bothers me in this. Well, tell me can I participate in such as? how then to look into the eyes of your mothers and grandmothers and your children how to look and what to tell.
        3. +4
          8 March 2015 20: 43
          Quote: leks
          Tell me at least one modern film where the screenwriter did not lie, honestly, I don’t know such people.

          I know! "The meeting place cannot be changed" or "The Era of Mercy" in the original, All in truth, and without distortion of the authors! Govorukhin for this deepest respect! And the Weiners too!
    2. 0
      8 March 2015 13: 23
      "There is only one known battle in which this unit took part."
      I agree with you that you can find more worthy candidates for praise, but since Bochkareva was already talking here, why are you trying to deprive her of all her merits?
      You can draw an analogy: during the Second World War criminals participated in the penal battalions, and that, in your opinion, there could not be heroes among them just because they were criminals?

      "Yashka" fearlessly went into bayonet attacks, pulled out the wounded from the battlefield, was wounded several times. "For Outstanding Valor" she received the St. George Cross and three medals. She is awarded the rank of junior, and then senior non-commissioned officer.
      On June 23, an unusual military unit went to the front. Life immediately dispelled the romance. Initially, they even had to put sentries at the battalion's barracks: unbridled soldiers molested the "women" with unequivocal proposals. The battalion received the baptism of fire in fierce battles with the Germans in early July of the seventeenth year. One of the reports from the command said that "Bochkareva's detachment behaved heroically in battle," set an example of "courage, courage and calmness." And even General Anton Denikin, who was very skeptical about such "surrogates of the army", admitted that the women's battalion "valiantly went on the attack", not supported by other units. 

      http://amnesia.pavelbers.com/Moi%20arhiv3-1.htm
      Denikin admitted that the battalion valiantly went on the attack, but you did not. But you probably know better.
      And the fact that the soldiers molested the "women" only speaks of the moral level of the soldiers, but not the "women". Or do you refer to those for whom the woman is always to blame "it is her own fault"
      1. +6
        8 March 2015 13: 51
        Quote: lidiy
        ... during the Second World War criminals participated in penal battalions

        Not true. Only officers were sent to the penal battalions. It was actually the elite of the army. hi
        1. 0
          9 March 2015 11: 41
          I agree, I'm not right about criminals in penal battalions.
          I just wanted to say that not very virtuous behavior in civilian life does not mean that this person cannot show heroism in wartime. This is in response to the phrase Karlsonn
          "- that Bochkareva knew and at least covered up the gangster activities of her husband Buk in Tomsk;
          - that Bochkareva, together with Buk, opened a butcher's shop in Yakutsk as a cover for bandit activities;
          Her life does not look too pretty, but this is not a reason to completely refuse her heroism.
      2. +10
        8 March 2015 18: 41
        Quote: lidiy
        You can draw an analogy: during the Second World War criminals participated in the penal battalions, and that, in your opinion, there could not be heroes among them just because they were criminals?
        There were no felons in the penal battalions. It is a myth.
        Officers who violate military discipline were sent to fines. For the rank and file, there were penal companies.
        About criminals and the obligatory "washing off guilt with blood" is a myth launched under Khrushchev and promoted under Gorbachev.
        There were no criminals there.
        The duration of stay in penal companies and battalions was fixed and did not exceed 4 months.
        1. +6
          8 March 2015 19: 22
          Quote: Wheel
          The duration of stay in penal companies and battalions was fixed and did not exceed 4 months.

          Soldiers were sent to penal battalions by order of the division (corps, army, front - in respect of units of the corresponding subordination), and to penal companies - by order of the regiment (separate unit) for a period of 1 to 3 months.
          A wound received even on the first day of stay in the penal unit automatically returned the soldier to the unit to the same position, in the same military rank, so the service in the penalties when the battles went on was considered not even days, but hours.
          Not only the guilty military personnel were sent to the penal units, but also those convicted by the judicial authorities were sent, but the courts and military tribunals it is forbidden to send convicts to fines for counter-revolutionary crimes, banditry, robbery, robbery, recidivist thieves, persons who had a previous criminal record for the above crimes, as well as repeatedly deserted from the Red Army.
          1. +4
            8 March 2015 22: 17
            Quote: chehywed
            A wound received even on the first day of stay in the penalty unit automatically returned the soldier to the unit to the same position

            Unlike German penalties
            The creation of these units in the Wehrmacht was approached with typical German punctuality: a criminal case was brought up against each who was guilty, which was considered in absentia by a special military court located deep in the rear - in Czechoslovak Brno. The convict served a term from six months to five years from call to call, nothing influenced the length of the sentence - neither injury, nor heroic behavior. No "I will expiate with blood!", As in the aftermath of the penalized Soviet companies that arose, did not pass. From the hospital, the soldiers again returned to their native penal battalion. And, of course, the German penalty box did not receive any awards - again, unlike the USSR.
            But they were civilized Europeans, and cannibalism was considered a sign of enlightenment, unlike us, barbarians, to whom they simply attribute what
  6. +11
    8 March 2015 08: 27
    In the Soviet version of the history of the beginning of the twentieth century, the drummers of "female death battalions" with a light hand of Vladimir Mayakovsky entered as "Bochkarev fools." Indeed, the participation of the Bochkarev ladies in the defense of the Winter Palace on October 25 (November 7) of the 1917 of the year resembled an operetta. But now the “epic” called “The Battalion” has appeared on the screen (another name is “The Battalion of Death”).
    The film was supported by the Ministry of Culture of Russia, which allocated a state subsidy of 50 million rubles for the film. (total budget of the film - 250 million rubles). A strange situation - both the president and the government oppose the falsification of national history, and the Ministry of Culture spends public money on this grand fake.
    1. +5
      8 March 2015 09: 22
      We wanted the best, it came out as always. Here you have the battalions and the leviathans ...
    2. +3
      8 March 2015 09: 42
      Art is still in a great debt to the people, it is not the intelligibility and the surface of the actors, screenwriters, costume designers, directors, etc. that amazes.Read the article at http://warspot.ru/2815-batalon-pervyy-zhenskiy-nepravilnyy, very sober and objective look at the "event". When such bloopers are trying to explain with a kind of flight of artistic thought, I think they are only trying to hide their incompetence and superficiality in the topics covered, or even worse - to cut the dough on a patriotic topic under the slogan "and so it will do."
      1. +1
        8 March 2015 10: 11
        Quote: miv110
        , it’s not the intelligibility and surface of the actors that affects

        What is the surface of the actors that amazes you, in which such place? laughing
        1. +6
          8 March 2015 11: 39
          I answer - if you play a historical person in a historical film, you need to know as much as possible about that period of life and heroes, down to the color of buttons on uniforms that you still need to be able to wear, study third-party sources, and not drag yourself on a leash from screenwriters and directors. The superficiality of the actors is that they completely lack an understanding of the fact that they participate in low-quality crafts. Any professional should be ashamed of trash, otherwise they are not professionals. In which place? In all. Take pictures and chronicles of those years and compare with the remake. Any more questions?
          1. +2
            8 March 2015 19: 51
            Quote: miv110
            The superficiality of the actors is that they completely lack an understanding of the fact that they participate in low-quality crafts. Any professional should be ashamed of trash, otherwise they are not professionals.

            Yes, yes, the color of the gaps on the epaulettes and artificially made bomb guns are not quite right - this is very important for understanding the very idea that the authors laid down in this film.
            Guided by this logic, it is necessary to subject works such as "Hot Snow" to obstruction - what right did Zhzhonov and Eremenko have to play in this fake with BMP camouflaged plywood ?!
            In other words, the film "Battalion" is not about buttons and the ability of actresses to wear military uniforms - for some reason it seems that the young ladies of that time did not do it better.
            It is about real events - meanness, corruption, self-sacrifice. About the female soul, after all. And if people think after watching and, as they say, cry, the movie is right.
          2. +1
            9 March 2015 06: 49
            Quote: miv110
            Take pictures and chronicles of those years and compare with the remake. Any more questions?

            I can only repeat, the film is an art, not a documentary! Try to understand the difference.
      2. +14
        8 March 2015 10: 38
        Quote: miv110
        When such blunders try to explain with a certain flight of artistic thought, I think they only try to hide their incompetence and supervisoryness in the subject


        Comrade, everything is much worse - what modern film does not take lies to lies drives and drives away with lies, I saw only one film about the war, in which no attempt was made to falsify history - "Brest Fortress", probably because the Belarusians filmed it.
        1. dmb
          +3
          8 March 2015 20: 13
          But the Guarantor, as his pressyuk said, liked it. True, this rather testifies to the bad taste of the Guarantor than to the high artistic skill of the film-hackers. Do our naive fellow citizens really believe that the authors of this lubok really believed in what they were filming. They mastered budgetary grandmas. Just like Tsar Nikita in his last films, or Fedya in Stalingrad. It is customary to scold such films as "Kuban Cossacks", but in comparison with the listed crafts, they are like "War and Peace".
      3. +2
        9 March 2015 10: 50
        And it seems to me that this is not the "illegibility and superficiality of the authors", but an absolutely conscious formation of a distorted memory of history. Look, recently everything that relates to tsarist Russia has been presented as the highest, noble and wonderful time for the people, therefore, about the White Guards, it is only pleasant and sublime. But all sorts of troublemakers, Bolsheviks, Reds and communists, if not a fiend, then low and criminal personalities, driven by base or criminal instincts. And if in the days of the USSR we were told about the crimes of the tsarist regime and the Belguards, then now about the crimes of the people, the Reds and the communists. The same "Sunstroke" Mikhalkov - he does not say that exactly the same barges as with the whites, but only with the reds and their sympathizers, were sunk by the noble Kolchaks and Barrels. It should be understood that the main idea is again becoming "pseudo-people", one-man command and Orthodoxy, and all sorts of revolutions have repeatedly been demanded by the apologists of modern power to be BAN! And you want objectivity. We have the period of Nicholas I with his "freezing" of life in Russia. As if about Putin, Klyuchevsky wrote about Nicholas I: “Nicholas set himself the task of not changing anything, not introducing anything new in the foundations, but only maintaining the existing order, filling in the gaps, mending the dilapidated ones with the help of practical legislation and doing all this without any participation of society , even with the suppression of public independence, by government means alone; but he did not remove from the queue those burning questions that were raised in the previous reign, and, it seems, understood their burning even more than his predecessor. "
    3. +2
      8 March 2015 19: 27
      Yeah, in the elderberry garden, and in Kiev, uncle.
      How do you put it, "Bochkarevskie ladies" have to the "First Petrograd" battalion, deployed on the basis of the Kexholm regiment? Who defended the Winter Palace?
      And these, as you casually put it, "Bochkarevskie ladies" - participants in real hostilities at the front. On July 8, 1917, they actually entered the battle, in three days the regiment, which included Bochkareva's team, repulsed 14 attacks by German troops.
      Several times the battalion rose in a counterattack and knocked out the Germans from the Russian positions occupied on the eve. 30 killed, 70 wounded.
      The film is essentially just about this episode. Well, where is the falsification you found here?
      And what the classic called them fools is not out of a big mind.
  7. +3
    8 March 2015 10: 41
    Women's battalions are a golem PR project, as it would be called today. Then it was called military propaganda. The task of Maria Bochkareva was simple - to play a performance for the press. Paphos was understandable: to shame the appearance of men who do not want to fight. How successful was this propaganda operation? Contemporaries rated it as a failure, so the military refused to continue the project a month and a half after the approval of the provision "On the formation of military units from women volunteers." The "producer" of the project was Rodzianko, who brought Bochkarev to the capital, Kerensky liked the idea and was approved by Commander-in-Chief Brusilov. The initiative aroused great enthusiasm in society, and on the euphoric wave about 2000 volunteers enrolled in the “suicide bomber”: noblewoman, student, teacher, and worker; both girls from the famous noble families of Russia and ordinary peasant women and servants got into operation. Adjutant Bochkareva was Maria Skrydlova, daughter of Admiral Skrydlov. Within a month they took the “young fighter's course”, and during this time the number of volunteers decreased to 300. Most, having sniffed the service, fled. And Bochkareva herself arranged a regime of tough hazing. According to General Polovtsev, she "beats the muzzle, like a real leader of the old regime." In the film, this moment is highlighted, albeit briefly. Some of the volunteers refused to obey Bochkareva and did not go to the front with her. These ladies became famous thanks to the episode with the protection of the winter palace on the day of the Bolshevik coup.
    1. +8
      8 March 2015 11: 04
      Quote: demotivator
      These ladies became famous thanks to the episode with the protection of the winter palace on the day of the Bolshevik coup.


      Kamrad STATE COUPLING - a sudden illegitimate change of government undertaken by an organized group to remove or replace legitimate authority.
      The fundamental difference between a coup and a revolution consists in the fact that the latter is committed as a result of protest actions (and in the interests of) a significant group of people, which make up a significant part of the country's population and to a radical change in political regime .

      If on the fingers, then in October 1917 there was a revolution and the socialist system was replaced by the capitalist system, but in Kiev at the beginning of this year a revolution took place --- the political, social and economic system remained the same, and the group of people in power changed. hi
      1. -2
        8 March 2015 12: 29
        While agreeing with you on all the previous posts, here I will allow myself to disagree. The Bolsheviks themselves called this event a coup, since there was no significant group of people (hence the split of the country into several warring camps, and the overwhelming majority of the population simply did not know about this coup). Lenin and Trotsky just chose the right moment and took power into their own hands, using minimal forces. It was only later that the "triumphal march of Soviet power" began, abundantly watered with the blood of the citizens of the Russian Empire.
        1. +2
          8 March 2015 15: 52
          veteran66
          "The triumphal march of Soviet power" WAS absolutely bloodless, because everyone was tired of the talking shop of the Provisional Government, and even more so the dreamers of the restoration of the Tsar, who had renounced himself from the throne, including for his son, as well as Mikhail, who refused to inherit the throne ..
          Blood began, precisely and only, when the Whites decided to take revenge.
        2. +1
          8 March 2015 18: 27
          Quote: veteran66
          The Bolsheviks themselves called this event a coup,

          More precisely, Lukich himself called it Mutiny, then a coup, and then a revolution.
      2. +2
        8 March 2015 18: 53
        In many historical and frankly ideologically correct books of the years 60-70, the October Revolution was written
        1. 0
          9 March 2015 12: 59
          Quote: elasurikowa
          In many historical and frankly ideologically correct books of the years 60-70, the October Revolution was written

          "1927 is the tenth anniversary of the October Revolution. By the way, it was in this year that the term" Great October Socialist Revolution "was coined and used for the first time. Until 1927, the events of October 1917 were officially called a coup."
          1. -1
            9 March 2015 16: 04
            RUSS (2
            It’s full of joy .... s, but it would be better for some to celebrate the day of the complete collapse of the country, which was once called Russia, following the chatter of the Februaryists?
            Borsuns with windmills .. someday it will come to you that whatever you call, but in the end a powerful country has emerged, all the same Russia, but in the form of the Union, in practically the same geographical and geopolitical limits, and since 1945 also with a belt Grantzi’s security, which ANYTHING from emperors and kings could not do?
            And in 91, like you, they filled up a little of the country, so Ukraine and Belarus had already managed to count strangers ..
            Say a coup .. well, then start sucking on the coup of the 90s, with a bloody point in 1993, weak?
            Likely weak, because History does not fit in your mind, but any liberal and demos ... for .. with nationalist frenzy are well postponed.

            "Do not do evil, it will return like a boomerang,
            Do not spit in the well, you will drink water,
            Do not insult anyone below rank
            What if you have to ask for something,
            Don’t betray your friends, you won’t replace them,
            And don’t lose your loved ones - you won’t return
            Do not lie to yourself, over time, check
            That you betray yourself with this lie "

            But the wisdom of Khayyam is not available to you.
            1. 0
              9 March 2015 21: 42
              Quote: vladkavkaz
              It’s full of joy .... s, but it would be better for some to celebrate the day of the complete collapse of the country, which was once called Russia, following the chatter of the Februaryists?
              Borsuns with windmills .. someday it will come to you that whatever you call, but in the end a powerful country has emerged, all the same Russia, but in the form of the Union, in practically the same geographical and geopolitical limits, and since 1945 also with a belt Grantzi’s security, which ANYTHING from emperors and kings could not do?

              But it didn’t come to your light mind that you didn’t collapse it at 17m and didn’t get 4 years of civil war, we won - we would have won the WWII (and not lost), we would not have to build everything from scratch and fight the devastation, oh, forgot and who created that Empire - aren't they kings with emperors?
  8. +3
    8 March 2015 10: 46
    No "Bochkareva battalion" NEVER EXISED. If it existed, it would have a serial number, staff structure, commander, headquarters, chancellery, there would be an order to create a new military unit, a banner, etc. Try to answer the basic question: who was the battalion commander? Bochkareva? It’s even funny to talk about this, who will entrust the command of the Untersche battalion, not only not having a military education, but simply an UNLIMITED village woman. What was the purpose of the companies and platoons, their weapons, who commanded them?
    In Duroopedia they do not write about this. Indeed, the 1st Perograd Women's Death Battalion under the command of Staff Captain Loskov was formed, but only by the fall of the 17th year, and Bochkarev, in general, had nothing to do except the initial agitation stage. On June 21, the Bochkarevs were not given any combat banner. Presenting the battle banner is a ceremonial military ritual, and Bochkarev’s “death team” has been handed ... you will laugh - a white church banner.
    Now let's think about whether it was possible to create an attack battalion in a month at all? Assault battalions (death battalions) are grenadier (assault) units designed to overcome enemy defensive lines. Shock battalions were formed from volunteer FRONTIERS, from experienced soldiers, and not cannon fodder. Even during World War II, female infantry units did NOT EXIST, although there were hundreds of thousands of women in the army. Purely female were mainly auxiliary units and subunits - air defense, signalmen, airfield service staff, etc. Even under "bloody Stalinism" they did not try to send women to the trenches, and even under the old regime the generals could not even allow such a thought. Well, and how do you imagine the preparation of the assault battalion from the muslin institutes FOR THE MONTH? Yes, these wench women first time in my life! Shooting, bayonet throwing, grenade throwing, sapper and medical practice, tactics, communications, studying charters, combat training, chemical defense, field exercises - even for men this process takes several months. I'm not talking about participating in the maneuvers and combat coordination of the unit.
    So what did Bochkareva do? Only one - worked for the public. A whole horde of reporters, including foreign ones, was attached to her, to whom she gave out pathetic interviews in the spirit of "We will all die for our Motherland, let the men be ashamed." To work with the foreign press and officers from allied missions, an aristocrat was attached to the dull and uncouth Bochkareva - Countess Skrydlov, Princess Tatuyev and a certain Ivanov. Another battalion had to prepare several dozen extras to participate in street demonstrations and photo shoots.
    1. +1
      8 March 2015 11: 20
      Quote: demotivator
      No "Bochkareva battalion" NEVER EXISED.


      What to do with Denikin's memories? With the ban of Kornilov on the creation of new female battalions and the ban on the use of those already created in hostilities? This order itself gave rise to large losses of the Bochkareva detachment in the battle near Smorgon.

      By the way, it was after being wounded in this battle that Bochkareva said: “Don't take more women to the front, because I am disappointed in women,” and the battalion itself disbanded. hi
  9. +6
    8 March 2015 12: 13
    This film about the female battalion is neoliberal propaganda, squeezing tears, our women are the most beautiful and making them fighters against the revolution is a shameful occupation. What better are these directors of maidan directors? Their task alone is to slander the heroic past of Soviet power.
    1. +3
      8 March 2015 14: 22
      Russia is a country of extremes, for this reason we will never live well.
      "We will destroy the whole world of violence to the ground, and then" .. - that is, if you destroy, then necessarily to the ground, no half measures.
      For the same reason, at first the Soviet media made heroes of the “red”, and now the Russian media have rushed to the other extreme, began to make heroes of the “white”.
      1. +3
        8 March 2015 14: 39
        I apologize but this song has a different interpretation. = We will destroy the whole world of VIOLENCE = The meaning of the song is which world will be destroyed and then built.
        1. +2
          8 March 2015 14: 56
          Even if we mean tsarist Russia by the "world of violence", then there were certain foundations in it, which had to be preserved at any cost, and not destroyed at the root, just because this is the legacy of an alien regime.
  10. -1
    8 March 2015 14: 21
    Quote: Karlsonn
    Quote: leks
    Tell me at least one modern film where the screenwriter didn’t lie, honestly I don’t know


    A feature film differs from a documentary in that it contains fiction, but we are talking about a deliberate falsification of our history, when the feat of Rimma Mikhailovna Ivanova at the front was attributed to an unnamed nurse in the fight against the Bolsheviks, like the entire film "Admiral" this is an outright lie and an attempt vilification of our ancestors.

    Quote: leks
    Further, about the criminal, you took it from what sources !?


    What sources did you get the information from? The source you mentioned telling the biography of Bochkareva is based on the book "Yashka", written by Isaac Don Levin, who reworked Bochkareva's stories about her life.
    In this biography, a lot of moments are omitted, for example -
    - that Bochkareva knew and at least covered the gangster activity of her husband Buka in Tomsk;
    - that Bochkareva, together with Buk, opened a butcher shop in Yakutsk as a cover for gang activity;
    - that 2 000 candidates didn’t pass from 1 700 because of the strict selection, but because in particular Bochkareva beat the candidates, which were reported to the higher authorities and there were many, but since Bochkareva secured the support of Kerensky’s wife and according to Kerensky himself, the reports went under the cloth.

    Well, you can still believe Bochkareva - especially how the governor of Yakutsk Kraft I.I. (an outstanding person who has done a lot for the development of Siberia). Residents of Yakutsk I think they can tell me better about Kraft’s activity, but if you think that he desired this, I wash my hands. request

    If you have a more truthful and more accurate biography then I’ll ask for a link to the studio, just for God's sake I don’t need to give a link to the story from the Bolsheviks. the Bolsheviks were masters of writing something that didn’t exist at all, or transferred everything from the advantageous side for themselves.
    1. +1
      8 March 2015 14: 44
      leks
      You will be very surprised to learn that the story from the Bolsheviks, which you so earnestly hate, is much more true than the nonsense that you indulge yourself, and try to try to reproduce this nonsense in all available resources, from movies about this Babskiy battalion, to others your opus, on the topic of war in general.
      http://amnesia.pavelbers.com/Moi%20arhiv3-1.htm
      This is absolutely not a "Bolshevik" resource, but the same shows a lot of who she was .... "jeanne hole", in reality.
  11. +3
    8 March 2015 14: 54
    Eternal glory and memory to our Russian heroines!
  12. +1
    8 March 2015 15: 25
    Quote: vladkavkaz
    leks
    You will be very surprised to learn that the story from the Bolsheviks, which you so earnestly hate, is much more true than the nonsense that you indulge yourself, and try to try to reproduce this nonsense in all available resources, from movies about this Babskiy battalion, to others your opus, on the topic of war in general.
    http://amnesia.pavelbers.com/Moi%20arhiv3-1.htm
    This is absolutely not a "Bolshevik" resource, but the same shows a lot of who she was .... "jeanne hole", in reality.

    You write nonsense, but I express my point of view, where did you see me to write that I hate history from the Bolsheviks, I just state the fact that the victors write the history, and the winners were Bolsheviks, they invented a lot of things about the times of the revolution, embellished and frankly they lied, exposed themselves as white and fluffy, although their hands were covered with blood and white elbows.
    “What will history say?” ... History is written by the winners, so the losers are not mentioned. Arthur Drexler. History is the science of what is not and will not be.
    1. 0
      8 March 2015 15: 49
      leks
      No need to do self-justification.
      You were given a link where there is absolutely no look, the winners, as you write, the result is the same.
      If you are a fan of the delights of Svanidze, Mlechin and other tantrums from history, stay in amazement further.
      1. 0
        8 March 2015 18: 27
        Quote: vladkavkaz
        leks
        No need to do self-justification.
        You were given a link where there is absolutely no look, the winners, as you write, the result is the same.
        If you are a fan of the delights of Svanidze, Mlechin and other tantrums from history, stay in amazement further.

        Where did you see the excuse on my part ?.
        You are no one to me and there is no way to call you so that I can justify myself before you.
        I watch you have a direct telepath at a distance whether you know what I like or not, I will disappoint you, I don’t know who they are (Svanidze and Mlechin), much less read their works, so you can not put them to me as an example.
  13. 0
    8 March 2015 17: 02
    The society that made a woman pick up a weapon is very painful and flawed. All world history shows that the treatment for such a disease is always one. Very cruel, but fair. Right - a bullet in the forehead, and the guilty - a rope around the neck.
    1. +7
      8 March 2015 18: 30
      Quote: radar1967
      The society that made a woman pick up a weapon is very painful and flawed.

      And in what society did they not fight?
  14. +1
    8 March 2015 18: 11
    Well, something must be heroic in the white movement. That's Bocharova turned up.
    1. +2
      8 March 2015 19: 45
      provincial
      To the point.
      an attempt to replace in the minds of the people, the heroes of the Great Patriotic War, with the heroes of the IMPERIALIST, which other talkers from history, having forgotten that they had already called the war of 1812, they are trying to call it 1 Patriotic ..
      Their hero, White and others, let’s say the liberals, are needed, but all the heroes look frankly bad and look like they’re either in the blood of a man’s neck or with a criminal spirit ..
  15. -1
    8 March 2015 18: 46
    Bochkareva and the Babskiy battalion are exalted fools. no sense. one profanity. (relative to the corresponding time period)
  16. +8
    8 March 2015 20: 44
    Dear women with a holiday !!!
    1. +3
      9 March 2015 09: 21
      Quote: grigor727
      Dear women with a holiday !!!

      Thank you! drinks
      Congratulation (photo) from Polite is very relevant for 2015!
  17. +3
    8 March 2015 21: 29
    Quote: Andy555
    Bochkareva and the Babskiy battalion are exalted fools. no sense. one profanity. (relative to the corresponding time period)

    But I cannot but agree. Yes, I saw the film. It hurt that if the state has brought itself to such an extent that forgive the expression "women" went to bayonet - a penny the price of this army. I, my own grandmother Maria Nikolaeva, fought and died from wounds received during, but after the war, I don't even remember her. Grandfather Nikolayev Nikolai Nikolaevich - captain, front-line soldier, he himself buried him in Ivanovo. Father-Nikolaev Alexander Nikolaevich -
    major of the Soviet army ... Mama Nikolaeva Angelina Ivanovna- worked at the regiment headquarters ...
    What am I doing. This is not a feminine affair, but when the Motherland calls, this is a sacred affair!
    1. +3
      8 March 2015 23: 00
      With all due respect - but you yourself contradict yourself - either worthless or a holy cause.
      At 14 m or 41 m - the Motherland cannot call in different ways.
      1. +2
        9 March 2015 11: 53
        Quote: lelikas
        With all due respect - but you yourself contradict yourself - either worthless or a holy cause.
        At 14 m or 41 m - the Motherland cannot call in different ways.

        I agree with you Alex! I could not formulate the idea more precisely. Then he reproached himself for what was said. We fought at 14 and 41 for the fatherland! But still, this is not a female matter. And thanks for criticism. Sorry, was a little yesterday drinks an impression! Yours faithfully! hi
    2. +3
      9 March 2015 09: 57
      Quote: Nikoha.2010
      ... Yes, I saw the film. It hurt that if the state has brought itself to such an extent that forgive the expression "women" went to bayonet - a worthless price for this army.

      if you carefully watched the movie and listened, the women's battalion was not originally planned to be sent to the front line.
      The battalion was created to propagate the decomposed Russian army.
      But, in general, I believe that the German stepped on his boot and crushed the Russian.
      This is a momentous moment, as if they would come to Russian soil.
      In the next war (1941-45) they already burned everyone in the furnaces.
  18. 0
    8 March 2015 23: 14
    I propose to get acquainted with the critical analysis of the film "Battalion" by Alexei Kungurov: http: //kungurov.livejournal.com/106984.html
  19. 0
    9 March 2015 10: 46
    "In short, the film is absolutely, much more than one might expect after watching the trailer. The director is a stupid person and a shameful hack. By the way, does the name of the director Meskhiev tell you anything? For what merits did he get the right to cut the $ 7,5 million allocated" on the rise of patriotism among the masses? "As a director, I know him only from the military film" Svoi "11 years ago. I vaguely remember the movie, except that it is anti-Soviet shit, for which the picture received its well-deserved awards at all film festivals. Well, the trend then was to smear the scoop, so Dimon distinguished himself. " Here is an opinion from the specified site. There is still a lot to read.
  20. +2
    9 March 2015 19: 09
    I admit only Soviet films about the war.
  21. 0
    12 March 2015 12: 17
    Was on this film - very interesting! Perhaps a little cruel, but you can’t get away from the truth .... Women have deep respect !!!
  22. +1
    12 March 2015 15: 00
    There is a woman’s face in the war, but the woman’s war is like a hare.

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