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Those tankers must save from burns special masks

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No matter how modern the armored car is, there is always the possibility that it will be hit. In Russia, as in other countries, much attention is paid to the creation of tools to quickly neutralize fires and explosions in inhabited sections of armored vehicles. However, all these funds cannot serve as an absolute guarantee that the crew tank (BTR, BMP) will never collide with an open flame. The agency writes about this. Messenger of Mordovia.

Therefore, the designers create individual protective kits for crew members of combat vehicles. “Such equipment should protect against fragments that form inside the armored vehicles after the ammunition enters them. Also, the fireproof overalls should be an obligatory attribute of these sets, ”the article says.

Those tankers must save from burns special masks
Tank flame retardant suit TOZ-43

The practice of fighting shows that tankers need to protect their faces and hands. According to the memoirs of veterans, in 1990-ies in the tank troops could still meet special masks with unbreakable glasses, designed in case of fire. The set of flame retardant suit also included special gloves. Such kits are the legacy of the Soviet army, and they were delivered primarily to foreign groups of troops who opposed NATO forces.

But to date, the Soviet reserves, unfortunately, have dried up, "and the presence of special protective masks in the individual protective kits of the tank crews supplied to the troops is not known," the agency concludes.

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  1. Donrumum
    Donrumum 4 March 2015 10: 41
    +24
    The main thing is that the review should not be disturbed or constrained by the movement, otherwise what is the use of these suits? How to use them in battle?
    1. OlegLex
      OlegLex 4 March 2015 11: 46
      0
      Yes, there’s not much to be seen in the triplex, but if you put on such a mask where the glasses simply sweat from the difference in temperature, then you will generally feel like a submariner, and it will be problematic to breathe in such a mask.
      1. Portoss
        Portoss 4 March 2015 13: 08
        +1
        According to the recollections of veterans, in the 1990s in the tank troops it was still possible to meet special masks with unbreakable glasses, designed in case of fire. The set of fireproof suit also included special gloves. Such kits are the legacy of the Soviet army, and they were supplied primarily to foreign groups of forces that opposed NATO forces. Something in the GSVG we did not even hear about the existence of such masks. Probably warehouse ensigns only knew about them.
      2. Toshik
        Toshik 4 March 2015 17: 12
        0
        may be triplex rather than triplex
    2. Gans1234
      Gans1234 4 March 2015 13: 10
      +1
      From such masks, kondraty can be enough - right from the horror movie the first photo
  2. Belimbai
    Belimbai 4 March 2015 10: 42
    +14
    With all the problems of fires in the tank, I can’t imagine how to fight in this mask ....
    1. operrus
      operrus 4 March 2015 10: 58
      +1
      Probably the mask is put on when a fire breaks out, and in the last photo, as I understand it, the new tanker's suit, if I'm not mistaken, is called "Cowboy".
      1. Patriot 1
        Patriot 1 4 March 2015 11: 19
        +7
        "Probably the mask is put on when a fire breaks out ..."

        During an explosion (if it doesn’t die immediately), a person usually loses consciousness for some time, and when he comes to his senses, it may be too late to wear a mask, and you will need to get out of the burning car as quickly as possible.
        1. IgorH
          IgorH 4 March 2015 12: 58
          0
          There is a fire extinguishing system. It will work faster than putting a mask on.
          1. major7775
            major7775 4 March 2015 23: 58
            0
            there is a system but a person who does not know how to use it will go
        2. major7775
          major7775 4 March 2015 23: 56
          0
          when piercing armor, neither a mask nor a helmet is spetset)) or the tower will fly away from undermining the ammunition or if you ignite the powder, you will burn alive. I took part and collected what was left of the guys ... a rare case when you fly out of the wave and remain alive. scout you need to know
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  3. FACKtoREAL
    FACKtoREAL 4 March 2015 10: 44
    +15
    The main thing is PEOPLE, the equipment can be repaired or ... made new
    and combat experience cannot be replaced by anything
    again - a confident psychological attitude of the protected crew ...
    Comrade Stalin PROHIBITED tank crews (after hospitals) to transfer troops to the other army
    It is necessary to CAREER personnel, and it is not necessary to spare funds for this!
    1. FACKtoREAL
      FACKtoREAL 4 March 2015 11: 03
      +1
      Maybe it’s smart enough in the Russian Ministry of Defense to order special suits (of the appropriate level of protection) for the crews of armored vehicles, because firefighters have already HAVE them for a long time!?
      1. andrey-ivanov
        andrey-ivanov 4 March 2015 11: 41
        +5
        How to get out of the tank in this spacesuit? Through the gateway?
  4. Pomah
    Pomah 4 March 2015 10: 44
    +5
    People are more important than machines - a turn of thinking must be!
  5. Bombardier
    Bombardier 4 March 2015 10: 48
    +12
    A little off topic, but on a tank issue:

    The stand of Uralvagonzavod became a real sensation. More precisely, the T-90SM tank. For the first time, the T-90SM was taken abroad and shown in Abu Dhabi at the IDEX-2013 show. The tank made a splash, and the command of the Emirates army even asked to leave it for a closer acquaintance and test trials. Later, in one of the Arab countries, the Ural car was driven in and shot from it. An unpleasant thing for the Americans came to light. The T-90SM surpasses the Abrams in terms of its complex of characteristics.
    Our faster, more mobile, less noticeable on the battlefield, has not worse, and perhaps better than the American, combined protection, even in terms of shooting accuracy is not inferior to the Abrams. But the "brains" of the T-90SM - its combat information and control system - are Russian-made. In addition, we are also not inferior in terms of comfort. The T-90SM in the "Arabian version" has two powerful air conditioners that create comfort even in the heat.

    Continuation: http://www.rg.ru/2015/02/27/vistavka.html
  6. barclay
    barclay 4 March 2015 10: 50
    +2
    Maybe you need to develop a thread cosmetic composition to reduce the effects of burns? Special gloves to leave and perfect. And glasses and masks are likely to impede combat work.
  7. Motherland Russia
    Motherland Russia 4 March 2015 10: 50
    +2
    That's right - you need to look for solutions.
    In the tank, as in a trap.
    And the survivability of the tank in battle leaves much to be desired.
  8. Wedmak
    Wedmak 4 March 2015 10: 50
    0
    Will such a mask protect your eyes? Or smoke? Or temperature? From the tank, and so it is not particularly clearly visible, so also wear a mask ....
    1. muginov2015
      muginov2015 4 March 2015 11: 15
      +1
      For this, only one eye is closed on the mask, so that it is better to see where to crawl. Well hello my one-eyed dug!
  9. kelevra
    kelevra 4 March 2015 10: 51
    +2
    This is good, of course, but with such a mask, and so very narrow visibility from the tank, it will greatly decrease! There are ointments or creams that can hold fire for about 5 minutes, even when a person burns himself! Why not upgrade this technology and not to try ?!
    1. chebman
      chebman 4 March 2015 11: 43
      +2
      Ointment will not be able to protect the cornea of ​​the eye.
  10. pts-m
    pts-m 4 March 2015 10: 51
    +4
    To test the effectiveness of protection, it is necessary to put in place of the testers for the control levers of all these designers and the selection committee with at least 100 km march. And just ... the next check ... in the polemic is the protection of the crew.
  11. driver
    driver 4 March 2015 10: 58
    +2
    The main problem in the tank is insufficient visibility. And in this mask with glasses in general, like in an aquarium. And the less the crew sees, the less they live.
  12. Magic archer
    Magic archer 4 March 2015 10: 59
    +2
    By the way, English tankers of the times of the First World War had similar masks of chain mail type! I saw an interesting program about this.
    1. Nissa-on
      Nissa-on 4 March 2015 11: 20
      +2
      Yeah. They only protected from molten lead. Which fell into the slots. The British tankers in these armor looked very much like big flies. So everything new is well forgotten old.
      1. KORESH80
        KORESH80 4 March 2015 13: 51
        +1
        These masks protected against fragments of armor formed when shells and armor-piercing bullets hit
  13. tchoni
    tchoni 4 March 2015 11: 00
    0
    Give, you understand the helmet, with a built-in screen and vision through the armor .....
  14. ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 4 March 2015 11: 01
    +3
    We were given such compensation upon dismissal as compensation for our belongings. At first, no one took it, and then they found out that their Mongols were 600 rubles each. buy up, so they immediately went to grab until I found out about this "gold mine" by closing the shop)
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 4 March 2015 11: 39
      +5
      Quote: ramzes1776
      At first, no one took it, and then they found out that their Mongols were from 600 p. buy up, so immediately went to grab
      If the Ku Klux Klan had found out about the TOZ-43 suit, he would have gone for grabs too, and, already, for dollars ... In the photo there is an old tank helmet with glasses, if you modernize the glasses and integrate them into the head-on shock absorber, then such a shock absorber will become multifunctional, and as protection against shocks inside the tank, and as an easy-to-remove cover for fire goggles. Our designers need to think, scratch their turnips in tanks, not in offices. In any case, protection from the fire should not impede the conduct of the battle, otherwise the tank will most likely be hit and it will have to burn.
  15. maxxdesign
    maxxdesign 4 March 2015 11: 07
    0
    there’s nothing to breathe in the tank! especially after 2-3 shots! and then there’s a mask on the face so that there is no air at all and the view is zero!
    1. andrey-ivanov
      andrey-ivanov 4 March 2015 11: 44
      +5
      There is nothing to breathe if the ejector is not working or the hatches are open and the overpressure inside is not supported.
  16. Gardener91
    Gardener91 4 March 2015 11: 08
    +1
    I think it is necessary to study the issue of emergency and safe leaving the combat vehicle in special cases and the evacuation of wounded crew members. I emphasize that evacuation should be quick and safe as possible. In aviation, this problem has been solved for a long time and quite successfully.
    1. sergeybulkin
      sergeybulkin 4 March 2015 11: 17
      -7
      Yes, put the catapults like planes and all things ...
      Costumes, face masks ...
      Why can’t you make the insides of the tank from non-combustible materials ???
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 4 March 2015 11: 39
        +1
        I think that the development and introduction of drones will be the best solution. With the preservation, however, of the inhabited fighting compartment.
      2. zeleznijdorojnik
        zeleznijdorojnik 4 March 2015 11: 43
        +2
        sergeybulkin RU Today, 11:17 ↑

        Yes, put the catapults like planes and all things ...
        Costumes, face masks ...
        Why can’t you make the insides of the tank from non-combustible materials ???
        When you say, Ivan Vasilyevich, the impression is that you are raving! M.A. Bulgakov
        1. zeleznijdorojnik
          zeleznijdorojnik 4 March 2015 11: 54
          +4
          sergeybulkin RU Today, 11:17 ↑
          Yes, put the catapults like planes and all things ...
          Costumes, face masks ...
          Why can’t you make the insides of the tank from non-combustible materials ???


          The catapult of the tower on the tanks stands - the ammunition in the carousel - catapults to a distance of 75 meters. But seriously - technically impossible - for a variety of reasons - both technical and tactical, and even psycho-physiological. This time. Masks and costumes do exactly the same, but it is very difficult to make both refractory and hygroscopic and convenient for working in the tank for days. Firefighters have such suits, but how long have they been in these jackets? We arrived, dressed, put out - removed. And the tankman - for days in his jumpsuit.
          And the apotheosis - about combustible materials - under certain conditions, all materials burn - armor in a plasma state under the influence of a cumulative projectile, gunpowder in charges when hot gases act on them, etc. etc.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 4 March 2015 12: 14
            +3
            In Soviet tanks in the Middle East and without a mask it was impossible
            lead a normal battle for many hours.
            For example, tank battles in the Middle East stretched out
            for a day or more. It is generally accepted that Arab tankers
            abandoned serviceable tanks due to cowardice. This is not true.
            In the 70s, the elite was selected for tankers (as is now in Syria).
            There were even full (and half) officer crews.
            Just after a long continuous stay in T-55/62/72
            people turned into squeezed washcloths - they couldn’t shoot,
            neither command nor lead a tank ...
            And the Israelis on the comfortable Pattons and Centurions are easy
            replayed them. Without getting closer, they knocked out with marksmanship
            from 2-3 km.
            1. Vitaly72
              Vitaly72 4 March 2015 13: 16
              +3
              My grandfather drove to Budapest on a Soviet tank without air conditioning
            2. heccrbq06
              heccrbq06 4 March 2015 13: 59
              0
              Is there evidence? Or is it just another bunch in the air?
            3. major7775
              major7775 5 March 2015 00: 08
              0
              I completely agree with you 4 hours in our tank and you are like a squeezed washcloth. but! the only thing .. the price of our tank and amenities and the price of their tank and their amenities) The main thing in the tank is not to shit)
          2. Gardener91
            Gardener91 4 March 2015 12: 20
            0
            Comparing SAPS in aviation, I didn’t mean ejection systems, but only suggested looking for a quick and safe way out of armored vehicles in extreme situations, or at least giving this moment a rational approach.
      3. EvilLion
        EvilLion 4 March 2015 14: 16
        0
        What are non-combustible? There, in addition to the ammunition and fuel dofig hydraulics in the same gun, it’s good if the tower’s electric drives.
  17. Cananecat
    Cananecat 4 March 2015 11: 11
    +1
    Quote: Bombardier
    A little off topic, but on a tank issue:

    We haven’t shown it to Armata yet ... fellow
  18. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 4 March 2015 11: 13
    +1
    In this helmet would be a projector with an external camera, augmented reality glasses already exist. Then the question of visibility disappears. Yes, supplement with ventilation with external power so that the head does not steam.
  19. Krio
    Krio 4 March 2015 11: 19
    +1
    Honestly, the true Negro looks like a Kukulus of a clan’s.
  20. MSL
    MSL 4 March 2015 11: 20
    +1
    Quote: Michael m
    In this helmet would be a projector with an external camera, augmented reality glasses already exist. Then the question of visibility disappears. Yes, supplement with ventilation with external power so that the head does not steam.

    It is especially good when it gets into the zones of the electronic warfare, and it can be seen "great" and does not care.
  21. LEVIAFAN
    LEVIAFAN 4 March 2015 11: 35
    +1
    Quote: sergeybulkin
    Yes, put the catapults like planes and all things ...
    Costumes, face masks ...
    Why can’t you make the insides of the tank from non-combustible materials ???

    and plasticine tanks? Well, so that there were no fragments.
  22. ma_shlomha
    ma_shlomha 4 March 2015 11: 50
    0
    Tankers of the Southern Military District began to change into "Cowboys"

    http://topwar.ru/17181-tankistov-yuvo-nachali-pereodevat-v-kovboev.html
  23. tomket
    tomket 4 March 2015 11: 51
    +1
    And why not create a completely closed helmet and fire fighting equipment in the form of kombuzes that are in the 1 formula?
  24. Krio
    Krio 4 March 2015 11: 52
    +1
    All according to the canon, a joke with respect to the tankers.
  25. greshnik80
    greshnik80 4 March 2015 12: 01
    0
    Ku Klux Klan some kind of get.
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  27. LM66
    LM66 4 March 2015 12: 04
    +2
    In Formula 1, costumes and a lingerie with a cap comforter protecting the face a long time ago from protective non-combustible materials and it seems convenient to wear it
    1. tomket
      tomket 4 March 2015 12: 10
      0
      Quote: LM66
      from protective non-combustible materials and wearing it seems convenient

      Min the defense will declare that it is too expensive, and will supply tanks with a water tank. In order to water each other in a burning tank. Here is the west! Have a bite! Simple, cheap and effective!
    2. Massik
      Massik 4 March 2015 12: 11
      +2
      If they in the same suits on their clothespins changed the wheels in 1 minute, that would be an argument, and so ...
  28. LM66
    LM66 4 March 2015 12: 22
    0
    They change and much faster than a minute
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 4 March 2015 13: 36
      0
      Change, the whole crowd and in the open. Pilot racer and fighter pilot is hardly a good example for a tank, and, especially, an astronaut in a spacesuit. Because, for example, the pilot does not need to get out of the crashed plane through the hatch, he catapults, and during the flight and the battle the pilot is locked in the seat, which cannot be said about the work of the tankers inside the combat vehicle, especially when the crew is in a tank moving along an intersection. This is not a sports track to drive, hands on the steering wheel and gas brake. If a closed helmet suitable for the tank is created, it may come to this, but rather, then robotic tanks will appear, and the problem will disappear itself.
  29. Captain45
    Captain45 4 March 2015 12: 29
    +2
    Quote: LM66
    They change and much faster than a minute

    Who? Do the pilots themselves change or is the technical group still?
  30. Wolka
    Wolka 4 March 2015 12: 31
    +1
    thermocombe and a burn mask for the face, but the racers from Formula 1 are so equipped, and by the way, the idea of ​​borrowing something from the equipment of flyers for tank crews is also far from new, but this should be done not from case to case, but systematically, i.e. . constantly, think, think and try ...
  31. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 4 March 2015 12: 33
    0
    Quote: LM66
    In Formula 1, costumes and a lingerie with a cap comforter protecting the face a long time ago from protective non-combustible materials and it seems convenient to wear it


    The issue of cost and mass.
    "16 thousand kilometers - this is the total length of the fibers of the highest grade T800, which is spent on the manufacture of just one helmet. Approximately 12,000 threads, 15 times smaller than a human hair, are a guarantee of the pilot's safety. The equipment of a Formula 1 pilot must withstand temperature about 800 ° C for 12 seconds, and is designed so that in 30 seconds the pilot can leave the fire zone without receiving any damage from him Pilot overalls weighing only about one and a half kilograms, a comforter, as well as men's fire-resistant thermal underwear are made only from Nomex fiber, similar to Kevlar. Such thermal underwear and overalls are sewn in a special way using threads from the same Nomex. Nomex material came to Formula 1 from the field of space development - from it parts of the first spacesuits were made "

    That's when our command will value tankers as well as Formula 1 pilots, then they will have similar equipment. In the meantime, God forbid that we develop protective glasses and gloves. As for the protective helmets, the navy has such helmets. Who cares to watch the film "Sea Battle" there sailors in caped helmets forced in the fight against alien evil))
    1. Kuts
      Kuts 4 March 2015 14: 17
      0
      The power engineers have costumes made of fabric called Nomex. I do not know the same as that of the F-1 pilots or cheaper, but to protect against an electric arc, cotton underwear must be worn under it. In those "Mos, Tula, NizhNov, Tat, Sib ... energo", where prizes are often deprived, the operational duty officers wear cotton leotards (underpants, underpants) in the summer.
      1. Lone wolf
        Lone wolf 4 March 2015 17: 11
        0
        Quote: Kuts
        The power engineers have costumes made of fabric called Nomex. I do not know the same as that of the F-1 pilots or cheaper, but to protect against an electric arc, cotton underwear must be worn under it. In those "Mos, Tula, NizhNov, Tat, Sib ... energo", where prizes are often deprived, the operational duty officers wear cotton leotards (underpants, underpants) in the summer.

        Israeli tankers have jumpsuits made of the same Nomex fabric from the late 80s ...
  32. infantry76
    infantry76 4 March 2015 12: 35
    +3
    Those who served in the army, and especially in motorized rifle and tank forces, or in others, where the basis of weapons is based on armored vehicles, know how to protect crews, and especially driver mechanics (drivers). Today, for tankers, they have invented armored capsules, like on the "Armata". And for others? Yes, and in an armored capsule, it is necessary that the open areas of the body (hands, face, cheeks), as well as the respiratory organs, are also protected from fire and smoke. Someone thinks that the tank should be comfortable, like in a Mercedes or Rolls-Royce. I do not argue, maybe! But, above all, in a tank, as in an infantry fighting vehicle, BMPT or armored personnel carrier, it should be practical and convenient to fight, control equipment and perform tasks. Believe me, I myself have served in the motorized rifle and tank forces for quite a few years and have tried it all on myself firsthand, but I haven’t met protective gloves and special masks. Maybe they were, somewhere in warehouses, but in practice - I don't remember! I have the honor!
  33. LM66
    LM66 4 March 2015 12: 50
    0
    Who? Do the pilots themselves change or is the technical group still?
    Those groups have the same protection as the pilots
  34. vnord
    vnord 4 March 2015 12: 53
    +1
    Look at the equipment of the sailors of the British Navy, they have long gloves and the type of our blanket is fireproof.
  35. LM66
    LM66 4 March 2015 12: 56
    0
    Yes, our tank crews will not see suits from F1, it’s me information from Corsair how to make a suit for a pilot
  36. Svetovod
    Svetovod 4 March 2015 18: 14
    0
    It is unlikely that anything other than remote control will give protection to the crew. That is, the board rides, and the manager on the auxiliary all-terrain vehicle is behind.
  37. Peacemaker
    Peacemaker 4 March 2015 19: 14
    0
    The first photo reminded many of the Kuklus clan. And for some reason, Darth Vader reminded me ...