Kazakhstan establishes control over Baikonur

Kazakhstan establishes control over Baikonur



The first and once the largest cosmodrome in the world, which is still in demand by Russia, after the collapse of the Soviet Union turned out to be on the territory of independent Kazakhstan. Then he was rented by the Russian Federation together with the satellite city of the same name (up to 1995 - Leninsk). Under the relevant agreement, Russia annually pays 115 million dollars to Kazakhstan. Approximately 170 million dollars are regularly transferred from year to year to support and develop the infrastructure not only of the cosmodrome, but also of the city of Baikonur. There is a Russian government in the city itself, there is even our police. The lease term of the world-famous cosmodrome ends in 2050 year.

But, obviously, the rental contract clauses are not a decree for law enforcement agencies of Kazakhstan, which suddenly began to demand migration cards from Russian citizens living and working in the territory of the city of Baikonur. Departure from the city, which, according to an intergovernmental agreement, is under the jurisdiction of our state, is now fraught with the need for the Russians to provide these same cards to employees of Kazakhstan law enforcement agencies. In the absence of this document from our fellow citizens are collecting fines. At the moment, units had to pay them, but citizens are extremely concerned about the difficulties that have arisen. Especially considering the fact that even the migration service itself in Kazakhstan turned out to be completely unprepared for such a drastic innovation. There were no elementary forms in the required quantity.

As you know, earlier migration cards for citizens of Russia living in Baikonur did not need to fill out. A passport with a residence permit in the city of Baikonur was the only necessary document when crossing the border between Russia and Kazakhstan. In some cases, customs officers allowed the border to cross and upon presentation of a business ID. The reasons for the change in the order that had been in effect for many years are unknown. It is reported only that the leadership of the cosmodrome is considering the use of necessary measures to resolve the looming international conflict.

It seems that in Astana there are quite a few who want to let Russia not survive from the city and from the Baikonur cosmodrome, then at least significantly complicate the current conditions of its lease. This question was even put to consideration in the Kazakh parliament a few months ago. Then, during his speech, deputy Amangeldy Momyshev said that it was necessary to raise the price for the spaceport rental about 10. In particular, the following remarks were made in his address to the deputies: “Why don’t they turn to the president, why don’t they turn to the government? Ask, explain that today the price has increased ... If you compare with those years, in 5, the price has increased in 10 times. Considering this, today the minimum should be a billion! ”

Meyrbek Moldabekov, deputy chairman of the National Space Agency of Kazakhstan, then cooled the ardor of the deputy somewhat. He told parliamentarians that the expenses of the Russian Federation are not limited to annual renting in 115 million dollars. According to Moldabekov, “Russia, in addition to the rental amount, spends about 100 million dollars annually on the technical maintenance of Baikonur facilities and another approximately 100 million dollars on supporting the launch site, as a result, the amount that Russia annually invests in the cosmodrome is about 315 million dollars” . Moreover, according to Moldabekov, these expenses already seem excessive to the Kremlin, for this reason it was decided to build a new cosmodrome in the Far Eastern region. Years after 10, after putting it into operation, Russia may well refuse to rent Baikonur ahead of schedule, the deputy chairman of the National Space Agency warned its deputies.

But this is not all. According to information received in the Kazakh media, some very influential politicians in Astana today seem unfair to the existing procedure for the distribution of income derived from the commercial operation of the site of the Baikonur cosmodrome. Today they are considering the issue of changing it in such a way that a part of the Kazakh side grows and even very significantly. So, for example, in 2009, from the Russian cosmodrome, 19 commercial launches were planned and implemented, of which 12 is the Proton launch vehicle. “Each of its launch brings income of at least 85 million dollars. If you add up the amounts received in 2009 only from the launches of the Proton launch vehicle, it exceeds 1 a billion dollars. ” According to estimates of Meirbek Moldabekov, in five years the landlord represented by Kazakhstan received a little more than 0,5 a billion dollars, whereas the tenant represented by the Russian Federation annually earns more than 1 a billion dollars. There is something to think about, they say in Astana. So the sudden demand for the introduction of special migration cards for Russian residents of Baikonur may be only the first stage of far-reaching future changes.
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  1. Banshee 23 September 2011 08: 53 New
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    Unfortunately, the family has a black sheep. This primarily refers to citizen Momyshev. Mister language does not turn to call. Behaves like a retired DPSnik who knows only two arithmetic operations. Able to take and share.

    The situation with the fact that Kazakhstan earns less on a plot of land as a lessor than Russia, which is actually engaged in production on this plot (I exaggerate) is quite normal.
    I want more money ... Desire is clear, in principle. But just “Give it” can be followed quite really by an equally weighty “Went ...”. And in this respect, Mr. Moldabekov is right.

    In general, the situation is strange with these cards. I'll try to clarify it. My relative works in the migration service of Kazakhstan, wrote him a letter, on the weekend, I think, he will clarify something.
    1. His
      His 23 September 2011 16: 14 New
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      Greyhound however
      1. Ivan35
        Ivan35 23 September 2011 21: 07 New
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        Quote: According to information received by the Kazakh media, it seems to some very influential politicians in Astana today ...

        You know - if it seems you cross yourself. Reread the article and think with your head - one deputy (such in Russia and Kazakhstan can still be found) farted - deleted - .. y

        The deputy before the space agency cooled him soundly and reasonably

        Kazakhstan has not issued any additional bills - all so far are some speculation and “information”. The article provokes us to be torn apart! Do we need it? In the end, both the Russian and Kazakh oligarchs and the authorities will agree - but why should we divide?
    2. Ivan35
      Ivan35 23 September 2011 21: 10 New
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      As for the freak, I agree - this Momyshev or a fool or an enemy
      But Meyrbek Moldabekov well done - the right position
    3. Ivan35
      Ivan35 23 September 2011 21: 18 New
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      As for the freak, I agree - this Momyshev or a fool or an enemy
      But Meyrbek Moldabekov well done - the right position
    4. Marat
      Marat 23 September 2011 22: 45 New
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      I agree banshee! The family has its black sheep - and we have such types of Momyshev. Such monetary issues are very delicate - you cannot transfer them to the political plane - and speak from the deputy rostrum.

      In fact, everything will be decided "behind the scenes" and I'm sure - will agree - as always

      Do not give too much importance and “politicize” this information - this is just a statement by one provocateur and some kind of fuss of local authorities - maybe they want to bargain for trifles - for the sake of their pockets and small departmental interests they are ready to put the wheel in the wheel of strategic cooperation

      Personally, as a Kazakh I was upset by this information and the fact that it is disseminated and replicated on this site - even if our authorities themselves agree on both sides
    5. Marat
      Marat 23 September 2011 23: 01 New
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      I agree banshee! The family has its black sheep - and we have such types of Momyshev. Such monetary issues are very delicate - you cannot transfer them to the political plane - and speak from the deputy rostrum.

      In fact, everything will be decided "behind the scenes" and I'm sure - will agree - as always

      Do not give too much importance and “politicize” this information - this is just a statement by one provocateur and some kind of fuss of local authorities - maybe they want to bargain for trifles - for the sake of their pockets and small departmental interests they are ready to put the wheel in the wheel of strategic cooperation

      Personally, as a Kazakh I was upset by this information and the fact that it is disseminated and replicated on this site - even if our authorities themselves agree on both sides
  2. mitrich
    mitrich 23 September 2011 09: 02 New
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    I have a question for users:
    Is there a planet on Earth, and in particular the vastness of the CIS, places for which Russia pays nothing to rent but the cost of maintaining the facility?
    1. Professor 23 September 2011 11: 12 New
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      102-i Base in Gyumri.
      1. oper66
        oper66 26 September 2011 01: 26 New
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        and you know how they fire at her at night my son served there dmb 1 07 2011
  3. ytqnhfk
    ytqnhfk 23 September 2011 09: 13 New
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    It’s good that you can check it out! But I think the truth is that it was done with a long view. We signed an agreement with the amers to send the "astronauts" into space, a breakdown, I think it’s going to be a big problem and try to play this tune! It's just a very profitable time for all reasons! Well, I will wait for an answer from your relative (te follow comments)!
  4. Uncle Sam
    Uncle Sam 23 September 2011 09: 46 New
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    Most likely there is no politics here, it seems to me that the Kazakhs just stupidly want to grab a bigger piece without investing anything, because they understand that when Russia has its own spaceport, the shop will either completely disappear or the conditions will completely change.
    1. Sanzyro
      Sanzyro 23 September 2011 11: 05 New
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      Russia has no cosmodrome like Baikonur! All the rest can be considered as auxiliary! The spaceport is not only a launch pad, but also a very extensive infrastructure, which is well developed there. Orbita station in general in a single copy. And the construction of the second such, while no one bothered! So it’s not so simple as it seems, otherwise Russia wouldn’t get such grandmothers into all this, but would calmly use Kap-Yarovsky or the Far East. And do not forget about the geographical features of the location of Baikonur.
      1. Foamas 23 September 2011 13: 07 New
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        On the question of “Such Grandmothers,” if we compare the cost of transfers and the salaries of football players for 2011. Anji club alone, the rental amount of $ 115 million will look ridiculous in the eyes of the Kazakh side, and the remaining $ 200 million will go to the current operation and will not bring profit to the budget.
        1. Sanzyro
          Sanzyro 23 September 2011 14: 29 New
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          The real amount, of course, is more, but who will voice it ?! repeat
        2. Sanzyro
          Sanzyro 23 September 2011 14: 37 New
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          The real amount, of course, is more, but who will voice it ?! repeat
      2. Uncle Sam
        Uncle Sam 23 September 2011 20: 59 New
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        Well, the situation in the new cosmos is not worse, but you need to invest the loot in your own, just the infrastructure of the dalvostok will pull up, and jobs again.
        1. Sanzyro
          Sanzyro 23 September 2011 21: 59 New
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          Can you imagine such a project in erefia? So far, nothing like this has happened ...
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    916-th 23 September 2011 09: 55 New
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    I recognize the native law enforcement agencies, found another feeding trough. Although this is a little like a local initiative.
  6. Sanzyro
    Sanzyro 23 September 2011 10: 18 New
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    There is nothing new in this. It was already in the dashing nineties ... They will solve this problem, another will pop up, again resting on the headstock. Everyone wants to eat, but at someone else’s expense - with a double appetite! But only now, in the near future, Russia is unlikely to abandon this spaceport. And the Kazakhs are well aware of this. This is an example of the very occupation, when the "bursting", the occupiers left behind hospitals, schools, space centers, cities, but in general they practically built statehood as such! And now the invaders are demanding money for it. The gift, as a rule, corrupts and inspires false hopes. The Russians will leave - the steppe will be there, as it was before them. The most remote corner of Kyzyl - Kuma, camels, yurts, sand ... And there will be no one to demand bakshish from!
  7. Styx
    Styx 23 September 2011 11: 42 New
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    Another failed state wants to profit at the expense of Russia
  8. Asmoday 23 September 2011 12: 26 New
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    The question is, did the Kazakhs themselves even invest a penny in Baikonur? in its infrastructure, in its development, modernization ... or can it just parasitize on it ???
    1. LESHA pancake
      LESHA pancake 23 September 2011 13: 31 New
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      THESE ARE THE COW AND THEY ARE GIVING IT. TIME TO CHANGE THE STALL.
      1. Sanzyro
        Sanzyro 23 September 2011 14: 44 New
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        On the question of their cow ... If the Americans on anyone’s territory would shave off this: 1) They would NEVER, NEVER leave! 2) Local, when the hell would pay for it!
        1. LESHA pancake
          LESHA pancake 23 September 2011 14: 47 New
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          WELL MEANS WHO DOES NOT AGREE THAT TERRORIST No. 1.
      2. oper66
        oper66 25 September 2011 00: 52 New
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        COW THAT OUR WE HAVE BORN HER ITS HERE AND NOW THEY WANT THEM ALSO FOR THE TITS TO BE SUPPORTED
        1. oper66
          oper66 26 September 2011 01: 45 New
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          minus those who dream about a boobs PIPPERS DON'T STEAD MORE MINUSES MORE I AM SURE I HAVE YOURSELF LIKE YOU IN A COW 4 SUGGES AND I MUST SUGGEST YOU TO SLEEP FROM A RUSSIAN COUNTRY TO RAISE NOT CLAY AND PAPER KHORAN IS NOT WRITTEN WRITTEN AND WE ARE SOLDIERS IN SAMORKAND IN A TOILET IN PUBLIC CLAY PIECES SPREAD OF A GLASSED WERE WAS JELLY HOLLAHALLAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
          1. oper66
            oper66 26 September 2011 02: 25 New
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            WHAT ARE DOMESTIC PAPERS OR LADDER AND AT ALL YOU CUT OFF THE MAGOMETS THROUGHOUT YOU WASHING WRITTEN THAT THE WRITTEN WRITTEN WAS NOT WASHED SO YOU TANED OR NOT WASHED
          2. ereke
            ereke 26 September 2011 04: 45 New
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            In fact, soap, a sauna and an oriental bathhouse as well as gunpowder, paper and a compass, and public toilets in the west and in Russia, in particular, came from the east in the Middle Ages. when Arabs, Chinese and other eastern countries were developed than wild Harman and Slavic tribes. then Europe overtook in technical development. ASIA’s century is returning. 21st century is the age of ASIA. More and more Asian countries are turning into economic and now into political tigers. SO WHAT YOUR TIME HAS PASSED, AS THE Bolsheviks said. IT IS VISIBLE AS YOU ARE IN YOUR ENERGY, DROP TO A HYSTERIC SPEECH. SOON IN THE SAME RUSSIA, IT'S GOING TO EAT IF IF YOU WERE SO WRITTEN)) YOUR PLEASANT APPETIT, OPERATED PURPOSE TO SHARE ON THE OWNERS. and minus someone earlier from your beginnings, then we started like that just in case, like we can)) And Russia is hard to kneel down but easy to bend with cancer. By themselves, the Russian people are worthless without the support of other peoples, both Slavic and Turkic and Caucasian. they lost the Japanese war of 1904-05 when they themselves purely decided to conduct the news with their own Russians and the Crimean company 1854-55 also lost when they decided to get along with the Chechen one too))
          3. ereke
            ereke 26 September 2011 04: 54 New
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            In fact, soap, a sauna and an oriental bath, as well as gunpowder, paper and a compass, and public toilets, were stored in Russia, including from the east in the Middle Ages. when Arabs, Chinese and other eastern countries were developed than wild Harman and Slavic tribes. then Europe overtook in technical development. ASIA’s century is returning. 21st century is the age of ASIA. More and more Asian countries are turning into economic and now into political tigers. SO WHAT YOUR TIME HAS PASSED, AS THE Bolsheviks said. IT IS VISIBLE AS YOU ARE IN YOUR ENERGY, DROP TO A HYSTERIC SPEECH. SOON IN THE SAME RUSSIA, IT'S GOING TO EAT IF IF YOU WERE SO WRITTEN)) YOUR PLEASANT APPETIT, OPERATED PURPOSE TO SHARE ON THE OWNERS. and minus someone earlier from your beginnings, then we started, just in case, like we can, too)) And Russia is hard to kneel down but easy to bend with cancer. By themselves, the Russian people are worthless without the support of other peoples, both Slavic and Turkic and Caucasian. they lost the Japanese war of 1904-05 when they themselves purely decided to conduct the news with their own Russians and the Crimean company 1854-55 also lost when they decided to get along with the Chechen one too))
    2. Sanzyro
      Sanzyro 23 September 2011 14: 38 New
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      What a penny ?? What are you speaking about?? The spaceport began to be built in the 55th year! What could they invest? Camel litter ?? There existed a tiny train junction of Thur - There (guess who built the railway) and that’s it! Steppe and nothing more. And from this nothing in a few years a modern, beautiful, green city has grown! Well, actually the spaceport and the entire infrastructure to it!
      1. LESHA pancake
        LESHA pancake 23 September 2011 14: 39 New
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        KAZAKH COMES AT ALL READY.
        1. Asmoday 23 September 2011 14: 52 New
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          then a natural question! WHY DO WE NEED TO PAY FOR WHAT WE BUILT BY YOURSELF ???? or can invoice the Kazakhs for all the infrastructure built? not only in Baikonur but throughout Kazakhstan !!!
          1. LESHA pancake
            LESHA pancake 23 September 2011 14: 56 New
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            BECAUSE WE PERFORMED THE INTERNATIONAL DUTY OF HA HA.
            1. Asmoday 23 September 2011 15: 02 New
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              Oh yeah ... sorry, I forgot .... we always help everyone ... helped ... and now only the lazy one will not yell at Russia what they say is the Soviet occupation, etc. ... and is trying to grab some more money ... and ours the pro-Western spineless government is kicking and counting ...
              1. LESHA pancake
                LESHA pancake 23 September 2011 15: 07 New
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                A SAME FRIENDSHIP?
                1. Asmoday 23 September 2011 15: 16 New
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                  yeah ... friendship .... let's say you take a friend from your friend, well, let's say a bike ride .... does he bill for that ??? what is interesting for such a friendship ???
                2. Asmoday 23 September 2011 15: 17 New
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                  yeah ... friendship .... let's say you take a friend from your friend, well, let's say a bike ride .... does he bill for that ??? what is interesting for such a friendship ???
                3. Asmoday 23 September 2011 15: 17 New
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                  yeah ... friendship .... let's say you take a friend from your friend, well, let's say a bike ride .... does he bill for that ??? what is interesting for such a friendship ???
          2. Sanzyro
            Sanzyro 23 September 2011 15: 06 New
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            Good question! Tell me at least one of these dwarf states that arose in the post-Soviet expanses, which we should not! There are no such ... Strange, some kind of invaders ...
            1. Asmoday 23 September 2011 15: 19 New
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              and don’t say ... some kind of strange occupants ... wrong ... they came ... they all rebuilt .. and they still had to stay for it ....
            2. Banshee 23 September 2011 15: 26 New
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              Quote: Asmoday
              WHY DO WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT WE HAVE BUILT ???? or can bill the Kazakhs for the entire infrastructure? not only at Baikonur, but throughout Kazakhstan !!!


              Then Kazakhstan will come p..ts.
              We pay in general, purely for the land occupied. Therefore, once the land of Kazakhstan can not itself grow another start - nafig from the beach. This is how it will grow - without questions, it will be necessary to pay extra money unequivocally.

              And 115 mult ... Well, yes, probably a little (in comparison with "Anji", here Fomas is a good fake). As agreed, you know ... the market, b% I ... Someone wins, someone loses. What would there be without a cosmodrome? Camels would graze in the steppe.
              And then two cities were built, and everything else.

              On the other hand, we have a Pindos contract into space to launch ... Now, if that, let them pay extra. We have the type of force majeure - Kazakhstan stood up. Throw money, otherwise your astronauts at Cape Canaveral will gnaw seven-o'clock birds looking wistfully at the last shuttle.
              Then in Kazakhstan, delegations from the United States meet ... And we would have neighing aside.
              The arrows must be timely and competently translated. Not like C-300 for Iran.
              1. Dovmont
                Dovmont 23 September 2011 17: 06 New
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                Ours did the same with Ukraine when they stopped transporting gas through the Ukrinsky gas pipeline in very cold weather. A freezing Europe suddenly attacked the Kivan racketeers and enlightened them.
          3. Tyumen
            Tyumen 23 September 2011 19: 00 New
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            What about the other 13 republics?
    3. Sanzyro
      Sanzyro 23 September 2011 14: 43 New
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      What a penny ?? What are you speaking about?? The spaceport began to be built in the 55th year! What could they invest? Camel litter ?? There existed a tiny train junction of Thur - There (guess who built the railway) and that’s it! Steppe and nothing more. And from this nothing in a few years a modern, beautiful, green city has grown! Well, actually the spaceport and the entire infrastructure to it!
    4. ytqnhfk
      ytqnhfk 23 September 2011 15: 17 New
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      Do they need it? they are up to space like a wolf, straw and a lot of noise and you can’t eat! They are a Baikonur only as a feeding trough, we will leave from there and someone will appear there (the Chinese are amers, well, etc.!)
      1. ereke
        ereke 26 September 2011 05: 02 New
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        And what do you think for us, and why do you think that we only need this for the feeding trough, that only you are so smart? If smart why then you consider as a feeding trough boykonur. THAT FACT IS THIS CONFIRMATION THAT 30 YEARS HAVE NOT FALLED UNDER THE ADVICE OF THE PROGRESS CARRIER ROCKET, HAS NOT FALLED IN THE ATMOSPHERE IN PIECES FOR LONG TIME, THIS IS THE MOST RELIABLE CARRIER !!! EVERYTHING WOULD BE ROCKETS ANYWHERE, SO THE AMERANS FROM NASA PROMISED TO PROMISE THE LOAD AND COSMONAUTS TO THE ISS, AND MONEY TAKE HERE. AND THERE IS A PUNCH PASSED, ALL MONEY WANTED TO DEPT FOR HIMSELF AT THE ACCOUNT OF THE SPACE MONOSOPE AND THE RUSSIANS WERE NOT GOING OUT THOSE THE BRAINS BECAME SMALL AND THE COMMERCIAL MOSCOW VEIN BECAME MORE
      2. ereke
        ereke 26 September 2011 05: 13 New
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        And what do you think for us, and why do you think that we only need this for the feeding trough, that only you are so smart? If smart why then you consider as a feeding trough boykonur. THAT FACT IS THIS CONFIRMATION THAT NO.) YEARS DID NOT FALL AT THE ADVICE OF THE PROGRESS CARRIER ROCKET HAS NOT FALLED INTO THE ATMOSPHERE IN PIECES, THIS IS THE MOST RELIABLE CARRIER !!! EVERYTHING WOULD BE ROCKETS ANYWHERE, SO THE AMERANS FROM NASA PROMISED TO PROMISE THE LOAD AND COSMONAUTS TO THE ISS, AND MONEY TAKE HERE. AND THERE IS A PUNCH PASSED OUT, ALL MONEY WANTED TO BLANK HIMSELF AT THE ACCOUNT OF THE SPACE MONOSOPE AND THE RUSSIANS WERE NOT GOING OUT THERE WERE NOT BRAIN AND THE COMMERCIAL FRAINENER VEHICLE BECAME MORE
    5. zczczc
      zczczc 26 September 2011 01: 51 New
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      AsmodayI’ll say more - if they want to create an alliance with us, then someday the question will arise about the fact of payment.
  9. nnnnnnnnn
    nnnnnnnnn 23 September 2011 15: 28 New
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    In accordance with the lease agreement, the indicated amount is accurate, but according to the terms of the agreement it was still that the Russian side would provide Kazakh with a certain number of SU-27 aircraft, and would modernize the MIG-29 and MIG-31 aircraft, these conditions were not met. the first pair of SU-27 turned out to be with a full spent resource that the Kazakhs refused and the scandal was resolved at the level of Mr. Pu and the National Academy of Sciences, negotiations on modernization, which lasted for three years, came to a standstill and as a result, modernization was carried out in Ukraine and Belarus (if anyone I remember the MIG-29 of the Kazakh Air Force crashed in my opinion in the summer of 2006), further due to the lease of Baikonur, the Sary-Shagan test site, as well as landfills in western Kazakhstan, Russia was supposed to provide air defense systems. All these conditions have not been fulfilled so far.
    1. Ivan35
      Ivan35 23 September 2011 21: 21 New
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      Good comment nnnnnnnnn! That is, not everything is monotonous and there is perhaps some kind of situation of mutual settlements.

      Only by and large it seems to me that I don’t even have to take into account the little things - to prove who owes what to someone - otherwise we will come to a situation like with Ukraine - sheer calculations of who owes what to whom

      I am sure that the "powers that be" will agree themselves without us

      The purpose of this article is incomprehensible - what? to set up part of the Russian audience against Kazakhstan? And the title is generally a provocation - what control? One deputy farted and that's it

      First, no one has billed - and I am sure they will not - the political course of Astana is unambiguous - to connect with Russia

      Secondly, nobody canceled economic calculations and disputes and this is not a reason for the formation of public opinion
  10. nnnnnnnnn
    nnnnnnnnn 23 September 2011 15: 43 New
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    And gentlemen, if you write comments, then be objective and do not write about the fact that Kazakhstan wants to profit at the expense of someone. In addition to Baikonur, Russia rents as many landfills in Kazakhstan and it is a huge territory. And believe me, everything pays a penny, and now Kazakhstan has always been an ally of Russia, Kazakhstan was the first to sign an agreement with Russia on eternal friendship, etc., etc. What we have nothing What gave the Customs Union everything has risen in price why? because prices are compared with Russian. In accordance with the CSTO treaty, the arms of the country that are members of the CSTO can be bought in Russia at domestic prices for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and as a result, it sells to Arabs or Chavez cheaper worldwide than to Belarusians or Kazakhs. And what do you think you need such an ally?
    1. LESHA pancake
      LESHA pancake 23 September 2011 15: 53 New
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      ABOUT THE ALLIANCE AN ELSE BIG QUESTION. KAZAKHSTAN UNTIL ANYTHING NOBODY TOUCH BECAUSE RUSSIA UNDER SIDE, WHEN IT WILL HELP. AND THERE WILL KAZAKH HELP US?
      1. ereke
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        I always hear that. Like, "nobody touches Kazakhstan yet because Russia is by my side," wrote one to me on another site, "together we are strong, and they will devour one by one." The same help especially recently when there were no TS offered us the help of Amer and NATO led France, and even earlier in the late 90s and 2000s, we carried out joint exercises on our land as it is now like the CSTO. on our side, two landing brigades participated, with their quick reaction forces in the United States and France. They also hinted that if we protect us and our land, it was clear from whom we are located between the northern and eastern neighbors between these regional powers. The question arises, why do we constantly impose our competitors and enemies and make them our enemies? Can someone from the Russians answer this question?
        1. LESHA pancake
          LESHA pancake 24 September 2011 14: 20 New
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          THIS IS A FAMILY QUESTION. DO YOU RESPECT ME?
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          LESHA pancake 24 September 2011 14: 23 New
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          THIS IS A FAMILY QUESTION. DO YOU RESPECT ME?
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        I always hear that. Like, "nobody touches Kazakhstan yet because Russia is by my side," wrote one to me on another site, "together we are strong, and they will devour one by one." The same help especially recently when there were no TS offered us the help of Amer and NATO led France, and even earlier in the late 90s and 2000s, we carried out joint exercises on our land as it is now like the CSTO. on our side, two landing brigades participated, with their quick reaction forces in the United States and France. They also hinted that if we protect us and our land, it was clear from whom we are located between the northern and eastern neighbors between these regional powers. The question arises, why do we constantly impose our competitors and enemies and make them our enemies? Can someone from the Russians answer this question?
      3. ereke
        ereke 24 September 2011 14: 37 New
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        I always hear that. Like, "nobody touches Kazakhstan yet because Russia is by my side," wrote one to me on another site, "together we are strong, and they will devour one by one." The same help especially recently when there were no TS offered us the help of Amer and NATO led France, and even earlier in the late 90s and 2000s, we carried out joint exercises on our land as it is now like the CSTO. on our side, two landing brigades participated, with their quick reaction forces in the United States and France. They also hinted that if we protect us and our land, it was clear from whom we are located between the northern and eastern neighbors between these regional powers. The question arises, why do we constantly impose our competitors and enemies and make them our enemies? Can someone from the Russians answer this question?
      4. ereke
        ereke 24 September 2011 14: 40 New
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        I always hear that. Like, "nobody touches Kazakhstan yet because Russia is by my side," wrote one to me on another site, "together we are strong, and they will devour one by one." The same help especially recently when there were no TS offered us the help of Amer and NATO led France, and even earlier in the late 90s and 2000s, we carried out joint exercises on our land as it is now like the CSTO. on our side, two landing brigades participated, with their quick reaction forces in the United States and France. They also hinted that if we protect us and our land, it was clear from whom we are located between the northern and eastern neighbors between these regional powers. The question arises, why do we constantly impose our competitors and enemies and make them our enemies? Can someone from the Russians answer this question?
      5. ereke
        ereke 24 September 2011 14: 41 New
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        I always hear that. Like, "nobody touches Kazakhstan yet because Russia is by my side," wrote one to me on another site, "together we are strong, and they will devour one by one." The same help especially recently when there were no TS offered us the help of Amer and NATO led France, and even earlier in the late 90s and 2000s, we carried out joint exercises on our land as it is now like the CSTO. on our side, two landing brigades participated, with their quick reaction forces in the United States and France. They also hinted that if we protect us and our land, it was clear from whom we are located between the northern and eastern neighbors between these regional powers. The question arises, why do we constantly impose our competitors and enemies and make them our enemies? Can someone from the Russians answer this question?
      6. ereke
        ereke 24 September 2011 14: 47 New
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        I always hear that. Like, "nobody touches Kazakhstan yet because Russia is by my side," wrote one to me on another site, "together we are strong, and they will devour one by one." The same help especially recently when there were no TS offered us the help of Amer and NATO led France, and even earlier in the late 90s and 2000s, we carried out joint exercises on our land as it is now like the CSTO. on our side, two landing brigades participated, with their quick reaction forces in the United States and France. They also hinted that if we protect us and our land, it was clear from whom we are located between the northern and eastern neighbors between these regional powers. The question arises, why do we constantly impose our competitors and enemies and make them our enemies? Can someone from the Russians answer this question?
        1. ereke
          ereke 24 September 2011 14: 56 New
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          Something one kamment came out several times !? damn))
      7. ereke
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        Kazakhs have always helped Russia, read more about history in the second World War from Kazakhstan, 1 million was mobilized. 200 thousand people, with the then population of 7 million, this is almost the entire able-bodied population of the country. 600 thousand people did not return, half. gone to the front. And how all the Russians knew how to fight. But it seems that the memory of modern Russians is short, I recall from eight twice the heroes of that war, four were Kazakhstani, such as pilot Talgat Begeldinov and Almaty citizen Sergey Lugansky, also a pilot, but everyone knows about the Ponfilof division formed in Alma-Ata even in far abroad . So at the critical moment for Russia, the divisions and brigades created in Kazakhstan at the beginning of the war did their job.
        1. ereke
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          In the 90s when the Feds got stuck in Chechnya. Large-cliff machine guns "Cliff" for the federal troops in dire need of this type of weapon came also from Kazakhstan. It turned out that the most effective weapon on armored personnel carriers and tanks in urban battles was precisely the heavy machine gun with which it was possible to fire at high-rise buildings and the militants sitting in them, as well as conduct targeted fire on manpower. Uralmash in Uralsk increased the production of these machine guns. But the war ended in 1997. and the Russian Federation refused to continue to fulfill its contractual obligation. So they lay in warehouses, Until V. Putin started the second Chechen company, Russia had already completely bought all the machine guns made without unnecessary conversations, its recently created KORD was still unfired and the production of this KORD was on a small scale.
      8. nnnnnnnnn
        nnnnnnnnn 24 September 2011 20: 13 New
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        I answer and who touched Russia? Chechnya, as I was told by one competent comrade from the Kazakh special services (Russian by the way), they sent to the FSB of Russia a list of Nokhchi who came to Kazakhstan to be cured after the work of the righteous, what do you think was the answer? do not touch them correctly, they are correct Nokhchi, though in the second Chechen one these guys became wrong and now they are probably in paradise with lovely guris. And here is Tajikistan. In the 90s, a convoy of the Kazakhstan peacekeeping battalion was ambushed, lost 13 people; help came very late; the allies did not have diesel fuel and jet fuel, and who was the ally? Just sort out your country, and then think about others.
        1. ereke
          ereke 24 September 2011 20: 58 New
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          I also know very well about the incident in Tajikistan, the Russian units were not far away, they arrived only when the exchange of fire was asleep. Otazyvatsya supposedly diesel fuel nebylo kerosene on the turntables, when asked we were guided artillery also otmazatsya like shtirlits in one joke. There were indeed a lot of killed Kazakhstanis and wounded too, the spirits ambushed well and professionally, each section of the route was fired
    2. Sanzyro
      Sanzyro 23 September 2011 19: 37 New
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      That's the territory ... The steppe ... In which the cities grew up, with hot water, water closets and steam heating! As well as schools, hospitals, jobs for local people, etc. Can we take it away, take it ?? Interestingly, the US considers Hawaii as an equal subject and pays them for raising them to civilization and using their land ??
    3. Marat
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      You are right nnnnnnnnn, do not blame the whole republic for the desire to "profit" because of one or more "figures"

      In general, it seems to me that starting loudly "for the whole world" to count and divide "within the family" is wrong - let our politicians calmly figure it out and agree

      In general, the economies of both Kazakhstan and Russia allow integration without "mutual eating" - no one will feed or eat anyone
      1. Sanzyro
        Sanzyro 24 September 2011 00: 18 New
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        They figured out - the Union didn’t ... Do Kazakhs benefit from this ?? And let's take a honest look at history; without Russia, Kazakhstan would not have had an economy. You say inside the family, yes, something quickly Kazakhstan separated from us ... They don’t count money inside the family, but when you divorce, do you know how property is shared ?? Wow!
        1. Marat
          Marat 24 September 2011 00: 40 New
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          As for the collapse of the Union and the loss, I completely agree - nothing good.
          The current "prosperity" due to oil excess profits - the collapse of the Union itself did not bring happiness to ordinary Kazakhs

          As for the economy and history, Sanzyro also agrees, almost the entire modern infrastructure was built under the USSR

          As for - "quickly separated" - no, I do not agree. Kazakhstan remained the last and only republic of the USSR that did not leave the Union - google or read - that's for sure. We are not Balts and Georgians — neither the people nor Nazarbayev sought to separate — and now our leadership is not just supporting integration, but actually the initiator and leader in this matter compared to Belarus and Russia

          All the same, a complete divorce did not work out - a too large common border - actually open - a too long common history - and our economies are inextricably linked (starting from KTZ - Russian Railways and ending with the energy system.
          In recent years, as you know, integration is gaining momentum - both the CU and the CES are planning a common currency - in my opinion it’s not about a divorce now, but a new “wedding” -
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            ytqnhfk 25 September 2011 02: 34 New
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            Marat agrees with you completely thanks for the truthful comment and a reasonable saying!
          2. Sanzyro
            Sanzyro 25 September 2011 10: 38 New
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            Not everything, of course, is as rosy in the political Olympus as I would like ... I understand your position and most sane people in our countries think the same, but the reality is far from our desires. The ball rules, alas, not sanity! And there are more and more nationalistic slogans in Kazakhstan. This is especially popular among young people. So who is leading the education of the nation in this vein ??
      2. Dovmont
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        Everything is very good!!! Only now, Kazakh nationalism rushing from all the cracks, the Russian language is in every way uprooted from circulation. Something Kazakhstan is in no hurry to return to Russia the territories donated to it by the Kremlin bzdunami !! and this is the whole industrial east, north and west of Kazakhstan starting from the ore Altai, the entire right bank of the Irtysh, Pavlodar, Akmola, Ural, Guryev regions - these are Cossack all lands of the Ural, Siberian, Semirechinsky Cossack Troops cut off from Russia by liquid-wooled mankurts at one time. And so actually there are no problems with Kazakhstan
        1. ereke
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          Well then, if so then before the border of the Moscow principality passed to the Don River 12 century. Next were the Kipchaks' nomads known in Russia as Polovtsy and in the West as Cumans. Kipchaks are the basis of the Kazakh people; their language is now the basis of the Kazakh language. So let's turn the land to the Don River and the former capital of Kazakhstan, with the region, Orenburg too ...
          1. oper66
            oper66 24 September 2011 20: 20 New
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            here is something that you have crossed the respected lands to the Don say, then argue with the Armenian society "Karabakh" in the 90s they turned to the United Nations with a demand for Russia to voluntarily return the lands that belonged to the great Armenia in 9 in BC and also asked the Kuban don the Stavropol Territory and the Volga. and the fact that the Kazakhs are the descendants of the Kasaks who lived in the southern regions of present-day Kazakhstan, you don’t remember the Cyrillic alphabet, but you don’t know the historical capital of Orenburg, but you’re curiously and seriously oppressed, and as a Cossack fortress “Faithful” became the capital of Kazakhstan. let’s have cleanliness before joining cities and writing you didn’t have, and only as part of the Russian Empire, and then the Kazakh people developed and became the Kazakh people. You write in 1941, the population was 7 mil and during the Soviet Union how many times increased and now your area states after 1945 and the creation of the United Nations so that the USSR was not alone in it and could resist the United States and NATO, the size of the state union republics of Ukraine and Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, which at par together with the RSFSR Belarus became members of the United Nations, ensuring the USSR the number of votes and enough of nationalism as it is tired
            1. ereke
              ereke 24 September 2011 20: 44 New
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              This is all that you said to relate to the history of the new during the Tsarist Empire, while the Cossacks, as servants of the tsar, built forts and guarded the borders of the imperial empire, you somehow take one segment of the history and extend it to the whole history of the Kazakh Khanate from the time of independence. In a word, you turn over upside down. Is it your political myopia? or elementary stupidity? or some kind of ideological calculation. At the expense of the Cyrillic alphabet, it was adopted in 1940 when standardization of writing took place (only Georgians and neighbors Armenians allowed their writing to be left) before that, from the mid-20s there was a Latin, before that Kazakhs used Arabic script, before our era the Saki used the runic letter accepted in persian power. Russians called Kyrgyz Kaisaks for their convenience, the Kazakhs of all three zhuzes and all the genera in it, and the Jagaybayl, Jalairov, Kanly, Kipshak, Bozhban, foot cockroaches, etc. Kazakh birth
              1. oper66
                oper66 24 September 2011 21: 08 New
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                name at least one city truth Kazakh only not Astana but the fact that the nomad tribes rode the steppes so this is nonsense I do not try to humiliate the Kazakhs but I say that you became a nation in Russia and Russia gave you statehood and before that the zhuzes lived in a tribal system not even feudalism and signs of tribal heritage can be traced in you and now even in the construction of state administration, unfortunately, clans (families) have come to power in Russia and the mafia is not Russian but Zionist
                1. ereke
                  ereke 24 September 2011 21: 22 New
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                  Shymkent, Taraz, Sauran, Otrar, All cities in agricultural oases and on the Silk Road trade route traded between the steppe qualities and the Central Asian emirates further Eran and Arab caliphates (where do you think the Kazakh sabbaths got damask sabers, carpets and brocade) also China (silk and spices). The last two cities of ge are functioning, as unnecessary and changing priorities.
                  1. oper66
                    oper66 24 September 2011 22: 17 New
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                    information about tribes and tribal unions in the territory of modern Kazakhstan belong to 1 thousand BC in ancient Persian sources they were called Saki lived on the territory of the modern seven rivers in the north of Kazakhstan. Sauromat tribes lived on the Caspian coast Caspian tribes in the south-west of the region there were other gos. Sogd. Bactria with the highest culture for that time between 4-3 C.D. appears tribes of the Usni Kangyu and Alans who settled on the territory between Balkhash and Tien Shan and in the foothills of the Karatau Alans settled in the west. steppe of Kazakhstan. Otrar cities and other ancient cities along the Silk Road. Of all the tribes, perhaps the descendants of which are modern Kazakhs can only be Saks. the cities have no relation to the creation of their Saki, but they were created by the Turks and now, thanks to the established administrative borders under the USSR and the creation of the Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic, we just ended up on the territory of present Kazakhstan by this type of Russians we can appropriate the right to erect and gorgipii dr the Greek city in the place of which there is a modern Anapa and a number of other ancient Greek cities, therefore, dear, do not blaspheme and do not ascribe other people's works and merits to yourself, but let's live in peace and harmony and you didn’t lose any independence, but about the Latin how could you exist in the Russian Empire when there were even hints you didn’t have an empire before entering. don’t look for something that doesn’t, maybe someone could write in Latin but not all of the population
                    1. ereke
                      ereke 25 September 2011 06: 56 New
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                      Kazakhs are Turks, all clans (or as you call tribes) that were at different times in interedu alliances, starting from 1 millennium AD, Turgesh Kaganate, Kipchak and Kimak, etc. also the Nogais, who at one time belonged to the Golden Horde, when the horde broke up, the Astrakhan Khanate, the Kazan Khanate, the Nogai Horde and the Ak Horde were created, are now Kazakh clans and no one can challenge this right. With the creation of the Kazakh Khanate and its spread throughout the Turanian steppe as well as to the territory of the Central Asian states with the center of Tashkent (which the Kazakh khans controlled for 200 years), the Horde and Nogai became part of the Kazakh Khanate. And in 1611, a border treaty was concluded between the tsar autocrat Russian and Kazakh khan Tauke, according to which the Nogai horde went to the Kazakh khanate, and tsarist Russia secured the Kazan khanate, the Astrakhan and Siberian khanstas. But the Turks also lived in the cities and they are now in the constituent part of the Kazakhs formed into a single nation (not Russians, after all) only by occupation they were merchants and not nomads, and were engaged in trade, not breeding cattle, and reselling livestock on Wednesday. Asian states. There were another Kazakhs who were also not nomads, and they lived in cities, blacksmiths, they were engaged in the manufacture of horse equipment such as harnesses and saddles, finishing their work with gold and silver as well as weapons, mainly arrowheads and arrow quivers, as well as wood carvings and made dishes.
                      1. ereke
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                        Here it is Latin, the newspaper "Socialist Kazakhstan" for 1937, the first page about the new constitution of the USSR
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                        ereke 25 September 2011 07: 24 New
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                        Some garbage is obtained here with pictures, a continuous advertisement is inserted unclear from where ... You can see it on Wikipedia, the Kazakh writing tags, also Kazakh madrasah schools, like church schools in Russia
                  2. oper66
                    oper66 25 September 2011 07: 59 New
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                    dear, so it’s not me, but you mix the story like in a mixer, I understand that you want to show the birthright, but you have the cities that you called not the Kazakh tribes the second Golden Horde and Nogai, then you will conquer the Kazakh lands and Yakuia by type of appearance repeat here is the Iygur people related to you, and the Nogais and Kalmyks are a slightly different song. the most interesting thing in the search for historical ideification, some people are so distorting history that they themselves begin to believe in it sacredly if you do not believe it, go on the topic of the historical lie of Poland, there one agreed that the Ukrainians won with the Grunwald saved Europe, etc.
                    and indeed we say now, but in the present, there are certain leaders who are eager for power and they drive ideas of independence in your head, but tell me how history may be wrong, that all cities in Kazakhstan have a Russian name
                  3. ereke
                    ereke 25 September 2011 09: 59 New
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                    Kalmyks were NEVER related to us even though they were nomadic people, they are not Turkic people, they belong to the Khalkha-Mongol group. Here in kammenty I cited the Turkic tribes with a common culture and language. Uyghurs are also not kindred to us, they are farmers and traders from time immemorial, although some Uyghurs live on the territory of Kazakhstan. You somehow superficially threw and mixed everything up, just to get away with all this and mislead. Covering everything your tinsel said with the true meaning of your propaganda. And if so, then the Eastern Slavs also used to live as tribes of the Andes, Rossi, Vyatichi, etc. until they formed into the united peoples of Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians.
                  4. ereke
                    ereke 25 September 2011 10: 13 New
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                    Uralsk the name Russian is from the Ural River, the Kazakh name is Oral, Orenburg is remade under the German transcription the real name is Oryn Bor or Orynbar. Pavlodar and Peter and Paul and the Russians, the names of the kings. But also in America there is Memphis (the name of the capital of the ancient Egyptian kingdom) from this memphis has not ceased to be American. Os Kamen (Ust Kamenogorsk) Semey (Semipalatinsk) Kokshetau (in Kokchetav) you can remake the former Kazakh sites and villages indefinitely, you can eventually and vice versa. There were also cities and towns Dzherzhinsk, Sovetskoye, Komsomolsk, Chapaevo, 40 years of October, etc. And so what...
                  5. oper66
                    oper66 25 September 2011 10: 24 New
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                    here he himself answered the former Kazakh camps of the city, which the Russians laid and built, therefore they are at present and Russia would not have been a stable camp until now. he has not yet answered about the formation of statehood and the emergence of a people from a tribe of how many Kazakhs are now and how many were Russia created and formed the modern developed state of kazakhstan, which had never been mentioned before in the history of mankind
                  6. ereke
                    ereke 25 September 2011 11: 04 New
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                    The Kazakh Khanate as a state entity was formed in the 15th century and its first khans were Zhanibek and Kerey, from the seven rivers to the southern regions of modern Kazakhstan. Starting from Khan Burunduk further than Khaknazar, the Kazakh Khanate expanded within the borders of the whole country of Turan to Omsk in the north and to Tashkent in the south, uniting all Turkic-speaking people, regardless of occupation. At this time, the Kazakh khans waged numerous sometimes bloody wars with neighboring environments. Asian emirates as well as with Tashkent beys. As a result, Tashkent came under the dependence of the Kazakh Khanate. Starting from Khan Tauke, the 17th century, the final borders of the Kazakh Khanate were determined and the first arch of the state was secured. laws (according to the type of constitution) "Zhety Zharga" Starting from the 18th century Khan Ablai, raids of the Dzungars began on the land of Kazakhs. After the death of Khan Ablai, centrifugal forces from among the sultans and the supporting bays intensified, by this time the Kazakh Khanate was divided into three zhuzes with clearly designated nomads, each zhuz began to push its khan. Taking advantage of the internecine strife in the country, the Dzungars intensified devastating raids. The Kazakh khans and sultans, in the face of external danger, had to unite and appoint the supreme commander of the young and energetic Abulkhair Khan. In the Dzungarian gorge between the Kazakhs and Dzungars there was a battle with the complete defeat of the Dzungars and the death of the Dzungarian khan Ts. Rabtan. Some sultans with their nukers and sarbazes did not enter the battle, observing from the side of the battle. After the victory, such sultans left and did not take part in a feast in honor of the victory. And those who participated at the feast quarreled among themselves without sharing the regalia of victory. In the light of the ever-increasing influence of the Khan of the younger zhuz Abulkhair. centrifugal forces united to fight him under the head of Sultan Barak. Feeling this, Abulkhair saved his power by joining the junior zhuz of neighboring Russia controlled by him by signing the relevant documents and a memorandum of eternal friendship. But this didn’t save him on the contrary; earlier, the sultans who tolerated him went over to the side of Barak. And on one of the days on the hunt with a blow, the sabers from behind cut off his head. Further, Russia has transformed into an empire with a delayed mechanism of capture and colonization over the past 100 years, completely colonized the Kazakh lands using methods of bribing, pitting each other, where by force, and where by economic leverage. And yet the ignorant history of Kazakhstan, how can you argue with me, this is stupid, better go read different sources carefully ....
                2. One of many
                  One of many 25 September 2011 22: 59 New
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                  Orenburg was named after its original location on the Or River. Then it seems to have been “transported” five times before it regained its current location. And in the original place is Orsk, which for some reason is called “zhaman-kala” on the Kazakh side (does the evil city seem like that?). So orynbar like that ... I think it’s inappropriate.
                  I go to Kazakhstan through those places that I saw something, I know something from the words ... if you correct something.
                3. ereke
                  ereke 26 September 2011 09: 18 New
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                  The Kazakh significance is conveyed as you said at the expense of Orenburg, although Modern Orenburg is to the right if you look from the west towards Siberia, than the Kazakh wintering is located, another meaning "there is a place for a camp" in the river only
            2. oper66
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              Well, these tribes had their own cities, writing culture, crafts and agriculture, and did not roam the steppes in the wagons
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              oper66 25 September 2011 12: 25 New
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              Well, these tribes had their own cities, writing culture, crafts and agriculture, and did not roam the steppes in the wagons
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              oper66 25 September 2011 12: 26 New
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              Well, these tribes had their own cities, writing culture, crafts and agriculture, and did not roam the steppes in the wagons
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              oper66 25 September 2011 12: 26 New
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              Well, these tribes had their own cities, writing culture, crafts and agriculture, and did not roam the steppes in the wagons
            6. ereke
              ereke 25 September 2011 12: 59 New
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              Let's talk about Russia, because Russia used to consist of separate fragmented principalities, from Ryazan in the east, the great free lands of Novgorod in the north and Kiev principality in the south. Strengthening Moscow under Ivan Kalita, which made indecent money through constant bribery of the khans of the Golden Horde, which gave Moscow the right to supreme control of the Russian principalities controlled by the horde and the collection of taxes (yasak) in favor of the Golden Horde. And those who disagree, especially often the disagreeing were the Tver Principality, they were crushed by fire and sword with the help of the Mongol-Tatars sent to help from the horde. And the further strengthening of Moscow under Ivan 3, which was proclaimed king of all Russia, and under Ivan the Terrible, the complete subordination of the specific princes to the elimination of the specific principalities, as well as the elimination of seditious boyars who did not agree with the policies of Ivan the Terrible. The accession of Novgorod lands with the help of the guardsmen who were engaged in robbery and violence on these lands, as well as the destruction of the Novgorod aristocracy and the arson of their homes after plunder. So the rigid centralized power in Russia and the unification around Moscow went by fire and sword, as well as by bribing individual representatives from noble people and the clergy, and this unification into a single Resei state lasted nearly 150 years. And finally it acquired the features of completeness under Peter the Great, in general the process lasted about 1 years, and not only Russians and not only Eastern Slavs took part in this process, who also had their principalities and lands and regalized ... and then the further we talk about the history of Kazakhstan , the farther into the steppe or in the Russian variation of firewood. Turn on the armor (you seem to do it on purpose, or are you really stupid)
              And in general, the Cyrillic alphabet is not a Russian invention, it was brought from Byzantium, do you know such a state was? and Orthodoxy, too, from there, Vladimir Monomakh planted fire and sword among his pagan Slavs. So their type was not so one-sided here. Then the question will also be an edge, but what then is your god Perun, and what writing and culture besides Byzantine?
            7. ereke
              ereke 25 September 2011 13: 15 New
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              And Peter the Great understood the advantages of Western civilization and instilled force in the Resei state, European caftans even forced to wear and cut beards to the boyars, and did not execute consonants from among the serving archers and boyars. Wouldn’t Peter be like China at that time. China did not understand the advantages of Western civilization and lived on the past power of the eastern countries, although the potential was huge then. But the clumsy state’s colossus and backward army armed with wick guns lost to the Western fleet and armies and China eventually turned into a half-colony which was plundered by Western Europeans
            8. oper66
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              Peter is not great at first and his merits are exaggerated by the Russophobes about the state of the Kazakhs, it is artificially created by the Russians and if it weren’t for the Russians you would eat the sun-dried cabbage like the Mongols, but I don’t just want to understand if you just have a good conscience will allow you to say thanks to the Russian people who brought you out of the red book and made the steward of the people gave you statehood i.e. self-awareness and determination, ask yourself what would happen if you had died from cholera who treated you Russian doctors shame on you
            9. oper66
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              Peter is not great for the first time and his merits are exaggerated by the Russophobes; he will saturate the state of the Kazakhs; it is artificially coexisted by the Russians and if it weren’t for the Russians you would eat the dried cabbage like the Mongols, but I don’t just want to understand if you just have a good conscience that will allow thank you to the Russian people who brought you out of the red book and made you governing people gave you statehood i.e. self-awareness and determination, ask yourself what would happen if you had died from cholera who treated you Russian doctors shame on you
            10. ereke
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              Well, now you are exaggerating)) before the Russian principalities paid tribute to us and tried to get married with our khans, but times have changed Russians have become stronger as an empire, but as history has shown, everything is back to square one, this is a natural process. We have already been the masters of our land, and a huge step always belongs to us, it’s already without question and drop your propaganda here)) It was always easier with us to simply agree with the Tsar Empire, since we are a single whole and all the Turks on this land have united into Kazakhs, and it’s easier to agree with one owner. the only truth is you are constantly cheating. Another thing is the NORTH CAUCASUS there are many peoples, only they figured out with the Chechens and agreed so the Dagi went different, and there the Ingush and everyone should agree and invest money)) Is it bad? when on such a small span of the earth as the Caucasus are many nationalities? and that it doesn’t work for you to unite them? and the art of creating a state there is always there for! were for the Russians?
      3. oper66
        oper66 25 September 2011 23: 06 New
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        that shdetsiki you deny the Russian people Russian taught you to piss standing
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        oper66 26 September 2011 01: 13 New
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        that you minus or you didn’t know that the Russians had the script before Cyril and Methodius, imagine that at that time two monks taught you to read and write all Russia, you’re funny, even with today's possibilities, it’s not possible, they just corrected the script and established spelling rules
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        Only few understand this. Everyone really thinks that Kiryusha and Mefusha taught everyone to read and write ...
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      oper66 26 September 2011 01: 18 New
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      that you minus or you didn’t know that the Russians had written language before Cyril and Methodius, imagine that at that time two monks taught all Russia to read and write what fun people you are even with today's capabilities it’s not possible they just corrected its writing and established spelling rules
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      oper66 26 September 2011 01: 21 New
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      that you minus or you didn’t know that the Russians had written language before Cyril and Methodius, imagine that at that time two monks taught all Russia to read and write what fun people you are even with today's capabilities it’s not possible they just corrected its writing and established spelling rules
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      oper66 26 September 2011 01: 22 New
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      that you minus or you didn’t know that the Russians had written language before Cyril and Methodius, imagine that at that time two monks taught all Russia to read and write what fun people you are even with today's capabilities it’s not possible they just corrected its writing and established spelling rules
  • oper66
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    name at least one city truth Kazakh only not Astana but the fact that the nomad tribes rode the steppes so this is nonsense I do not try to humiliate the Kazakhs but I say that you became a nation in Russia and Russia gave you statehood and before that the zhuzes lived in a tribal system not even feudalism and signs of tribal heritage can be traced even in the construction of state administration, and unfortunately, clans (families) came to power in Russia and the mafia is not Russian but Zionist oper66,
  • oper66
    oper66 24 September 2011 20: 26 New
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    here it’s something that you took care of the respected land until the Don say, then argue with the Armenian “Karabakh” society in the 90s they appealed to the United Nations with a demand for Russia to voluntarily return the lands of the great Armenia in 9 in BC and also asked the Kuban don the Stavropol Territory and the Volga. and the fact that the Kazakhs are the descendants of the Kasaks who lived in the southern regions of present-day Kazakhstan do not remember the written language in the Cyrillic alphabet, but you don’t know the Orenburg historical capital, but you’re curiously bitingly curious and as a Cossack fort, the “faithful” fortress became the capital of Kazakhstan. let’s have cleanliness before joining cities and writing you didn’t have, and only as part of the Russian Empire, and then the Kazakh people developed and became the Kazakh people. You write in 1941, the population was 7 mil and during the Soviet Union how many times increased and now your area states after 1945 and the creation of the United Nations so that the USSR was not alone and could resist the United States and NATO, the size of the state of the Union republics of Ukraine and Kazakhstan was artificially increased, which at par together with the RSFSR were included in the United Nations providing the USSR with a number of votes and enough of nationalism as it bothered
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      I’m not able to engage in dialogue, but I learned to press minus and I see even a positive result here because, according to psychiatric research, the peoples of the Mongoloid race cannot think in an abstract manner = therefore your individuals could not bring a single breakthrough or simple race sentence to world society narrow-film hokaido didn’t take offense the same and no better than you sometimes remember chizarre lombroso with his biological theory for the development of peoples and personalities and he was right although his theory was hacked as inhuman and it was confirmed by 98%
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      oper66 25 September 2011 23: 27 New
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      I’m not able to engage in dialogue, but I learned to press minus and I see even a positive result here because, according to psychiatric research, the peoples of the Mongoloid race cannot think in an abstract manner = therefore your individuals could not bring a single breakthrough or simple race sentence to world society narrow-film hokaido didn’t take offense the same and no better than you sometimes remember chizarre lombroso with his biological theory for the development of peoples and personalities and he was right although his theory was hacked as inhuman and it was confirmed by 98%
  • Sanzyro
    Sanzyro 25 September 2011 15: 36 New
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    Do not distort, dear! They say quite fresh to you for events, but you remembered the 12th century! So what about the lands donated to Kazakhstan by the Kremlin, huh ?? You never answered!
    1. ereke
      ereke 25 September 2011 15: 47 New
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      Are you at least Russian? or so in the service of the owners? it so happens that the servants are zealously trying for the gentlemen to earn their bread. But what about Orynbor (Orenburg), the former capital of Kazakhstan and the Orenburg region, that after another demarcation of borders under the Bolsheviks, for some reason, Russia left Russia at the end of the 20s? When will we return?
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      ereke 25 September 2011 15: 54 New
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      Are you at least Russian? or so in the service of the owners? it so happens that the servants are zealously trying for the gentlemen to earn their bread. But what about Orynbor (Orenburg), the former capital of Kazakhstan and the Orenburg region, that after another demarcation of borders under the Bolsheviks, for some reason, Russia left Russia at the end of the 20s? When will we return?
      1. Sanzyro
        Sanzyro 25 September 2011 21: 05 New
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        In short, there is no answer! All clear! About anything just to not give an answer to a specific question - ordinary trolling!
        1. ereke
          ereke 26 September 2011 05: 37 New
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          This with you was even earlier understood by the provocateur! I demand if you ask so WHAT WITH OUR LANDS WHEN YOU WILL RETURN THEM !!! FROM DON TO ORINBOR INCLUDED !!! AND WHO OUR LANDS RESERVED US BACK TO US BACK ONLY! A CLEAR RESPONSE CAN YOU GET? THESE ARE NOT THESE LACE AND SET OF WORDS OF DIFFERENT TERMS OF FULL PROPAGANDA AND INEQUATE FOR Dumb AND NATIONALISTIC TUNED RUSSIAN
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            in the ass you haven’t round, we’ll also take our residents from the primitive communal standing suckers
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            oper66 26 September 2011 16: 57 New
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            in the ass you haven’t round, we’ll also take our residents from the primitive communal standing suckers
            1. ereke
              ereke 26 September 2011 20: 05 New
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              Well, you are scum whitewashed and unroasted. In general, it’s necessary to close all your bases here! nothing to hell with ceremony. Who only think about their own benefit and ignore us. If the war begins, I will go first in the front ranks of such scum as you extinguish and cut without pity for all your words
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          ereke 26 September 2011 05: 40 New
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          This with you was even earlier understood by the provocateur! I demand if you ask so WHAT WITH OUR LANDS WHEN YOU WILL RETURN THEM !!! FROM DON TO ORINBOR INCLUDED !!! AND WHO OUR LANDS RESERVED US BACK TO US BACK ONLY! A CLEAR RESPONSE CAN YOU GET? THESE ARE NOT THESE LACE AND SET OF WORDS OF DIFFERENT TERMS OF FULL PROPAGANDA AND INEQUATE FOR Dumb AND NATIONALISTIC TUNED RUSSIAN
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            Quote: ereke
            It was even clearer with you as a provocateur.


            Translate into Russian, please!

            Quote: ereke
            AND WHAT WITH OUR LANDS WHEN WILL BE THEIR RETURN !!! FROM DON TO ORYNBOR INCLUSIVE !!! AND WHO US OUR EARTH SPELLED BACK, ONLY CUT OFF! CLEAR RESPONSE CAN BE RECEIVED?


            Of course, you can get the answer. Only not here. This forum does not deal with land acquisition and consideration of applications for them.
            To do this, try to contact the Government of the Russian Federation in Moscow, they do it there.

            These cries on "When will you give our lands?" What is it like? A question to which a reasonable person will not give an answer, but an unwise person will perceive it as a red rag - trolling, whatever one may say.
            You are falling ...
      2. Sanzyro
        Sanzyro 25 September 2011 21: 12 New
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        In short, there is no answer! All clear! About anything just to not give an answer to a specific question - ordinary trolling!
      3. oper66
        oper66 25 September 2011 21: 36 New
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        I am a Russian surname my Sherbina I am a Kuban Cossack my ancestors from the Zaporizhzhya section - the Black Sea Cossacks they organized the Sherbinovskaya in the Kuban and the historian Sherbina is my uncle’s grandfather, therefore I can and I demand to speak honestly and I myself passed the truth that not everyone dreams of, beat those who are against creatures respect us directly or in transfer only strength our ancestors were strong not only physically but also spiritually therefore they were worshiped all need to raise self-esteem and those who disagree in the nose
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          ereke 26 September 2011 05: 45 New
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          I didn’t ask you for Oper66, but this Krasnodar samurai (there is a Krasnodar in the profile, I don’t know if the truth corresponds to reality or not) Sanzyro Is it too primitive to Russian or is it so insignificant that Russians? By the way, you can also be judged by your statements in this category, or are you a troll?
      4. oper66
        oper66 25 September 2011 21: 47 New
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        I am a Russian surname my Sherbina I am a Kuban Cossack my ancestors from the Zaporizhzhya section - the Black Sea Cossacks they organized the Sherbinovskaya in the Kuban and the historian Sherbina is my uncle’s grandfather, therefore I can and I demand to speak honestly and I myself passed the truth that not everyone dreams of, beat those who are against creatures respect us directly or in transfer only strength our ancestors were strong not only physically but also spiritually therefore they were worshiped all need to raise self-esteem and those who disagree in the nose
  • oper66
    oper66 25 September 2011 20: 29 New
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    but how do they minus us all we say friends no they are not friends they are enemies or not self-confident individuals until Russia is strong each herd will try to argue there is only one way to beat not obedient Russians are not a people and not a Russian nation - the concept of civilization are those people who they helped to teach and heal, but you all know that friendship and mutual assistance mean nothing at the moment, only credit and credit are respected but dear I read your comments on Tajikistan where like the Russians threw the Nazis you’ve been at least once in a war or seen in a movie like that I have experience and not small 3.7 fighting in them, and Armenia and Chechnya 4 skin injuries and two shell concussions and all I was 33 g retired since 2004 major and I just feel disgusted to read komenty and I explain to you Kazakh again that eas at the time of the service there was no division into Russians and chocks we were one whole division, let's continue the argument for the sake of the future of Americans
    1. Sanzyro
      Sanzyro 25 September 2011 21: 21 New
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      Not frail "brotherly" people threw minuses? You can’t make anyone happy by force, the Strugatsky were right!
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        san cons talk about the plus means we hit their nerve and they know that we owe it to our people by the fact of their existence and the possibility of reproduction only with an increase in the number of individuals, the brains remain at the level of 1 individual-chuchmek = chock chushka = chuchmeku
      2. ereke
        ereke 26 September 2011 05: 48 New
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        It’s who puts the minuses to you already shouted in comments like they are like that, and who, under my comments, I won’t write right away the bold minuses are drawn, but I was silent about it and didn’t act so hard
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      Sanzyro 25 September 2011 21: 29 New
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      Not frail "brotherly" people threw minuses? You can’t make anyone happy by force, the Strugatsky were right!
    3. ereke
      ereke 26 September 2011 05: 55 New
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      Well, this is always so hiding if there are no other arguments, with your military past, but those who hide and say every step of the way about glorious deeds from their military past didn’t actually stay close or somewhere in the materiel or canteen . On my own I know and saw those who were hiding behind the armor and were in shock, and you can’t understand anything like that either. Father is a member of the Union of Veterans of Local Wars (Czechoslovakia, 1968).
  • nnnnnnnnn
    nnnnnnnnn 24 September 2011 19: 45 New
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    What does your concept of “Kazakh nationalism” mean when a sovereign country speaks the state language? And if Kazakhstan is geographically located on the border with Europe, such as the Baltic states where the Russian-speaking population has not spoken Russian for a long time and Russia is silent because it is Europe, And about land You do not read the late Solzhenitsyn with his opus how to equip Russia. What kind of Cossacks are you from? So learn the story! carefully, thoughtfully at first I advise you to read "The Word about Igor's Regiment" in the first lines you will find what you are looking for. You don’t need to argue like that, otherwise you will agree that the Tatars will say it to us, the Bashkirs, Caucasians, Yakuts, small peoples of Siberia, etc., experience what is now, and do not arrange Manezhka on the site.
  • LESHA pancake
    LESHA pancake 24 September 2011 14: 18 New
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    GOOD WORDS BUT THEY MUST BE CONFIRMED.
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    Can I talk for a long time? before y ... y, and the essence was briefly and correctly stated by Uncle Sam - you want to eat for free. Nothing in Kazakhstan will be worthless without Russia. It’s chopped up, but the “elite” cannot part with the Malachai (figuratively) and there will be no end to these quacks until the situation develops roughly like in Hohland and sensible guys like Marat will not stop talking loudly and resolve issues.
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      Marat 23 September 2011 23: 02 New
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      Thank you for remembering me Esaul,

      I think we should not allow a cat to run because of some foolish people or provocateurs between our peoples

      And this article seems unnecessary to me - even if there are some disputes and mutual settlements - there is no need to "politicize" them - let the authorities sort it out and agree

      Of course, I wouldn’t want Russia and Kazakhstan to start disputes over “mutual settlements” with both Belarus and Ukraine. I am sure that this will not reach

      We are all close peoples and republics and we all remember our common life in the USSR - and we are trying to at least partially but return the common that connected
      1. Dovmont
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        The tops do not give a damn about the aspirations of peoples - ethnologized clans that have come to power in all the absolutely republics of the CIS (in Russia the Zhid clans seized financial and industrial power) surrounded themselves with almost fabulous luxury, plunging deeper and deeper into all kinds of debauchery in search of more and more entertainments. And the masses, especially in the Central Asian Republics, go farther and farther into medieval poverty and lawlessness. Our bais, gentlemen and gentry had their brains filled with fat until they seemed to have realized that the world government had long laid eyes on the resources controlled by local princes and sultans. We have the good fortune to observe the options for weaning and redistributing mineral resources in the modern world. The only way to oppose the global Zionist government is to create a single Eurasian state. But this is unacceptable for homegrown nouveau riche, for them their own pockets are more expensive than national interests.
        1. ereke
          ereke 24 September 2011 18: 27 New
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          This is not the point, we once lost independence. for the majority of the fault of the same aga-sultans who betrayed the people and helped the Russian empire turn the Kazakh lands into their colony. It would seem that this time it was so insignificant under the beautiful slogans about the "Zhidomossonskaya conspiracy and division of the world" The ideological one is stronger here even in kammenty, you insult Kazakhstan and drive us your ideology, consider us as a former colony. That is why it is impossible to converge with the former metropolis. An example of this is England in its former colonies, along with a new US ally, pursues a neocolonial policy. And even towards Australia, careless attitude and sarcasm, they say we sent there especially dangerous prisoners to the prisoner, now they are still replenished by different emigrants from Asia, in general, completely sucks. The Australians were fed up with this and they left the community. And the majority of the votes of their citizens proclaimed the country a republican form of government.
          1. Sanzyro
            Sanzyro 25 September 2011 10: 26 New
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            Yes, dear ... Learn the materiel! With history you have a bad time, as well as with any representative of generation-P. A colony, then Kazakhstan was ?? What a familiar song. Recently, this has often been heard (this cry is called a song) from all corners of our former, immense! Read the posts of your compatriot Marata, there is a much more balanced position, without illusions! This is the problem of rapprochement between Kazakhstan and Russia, that over the past 20 years of chaos and strife in our countries a new tribe (very trusting) has grown up young, not far. And certain circles make good use of this, introducing any nonsense into uncharged heads ...
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    Sergh 23 September 2011 20: 42 New
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    Why are you arguing, men, this is normal ... Here's another interesting thing: "The Russian part of the territory in the Guiana Space Center covers an area of ​​120 hectares ...", well, I probably will not continue further, you will find it yourself in a search engine.
    That's the whole fuss. There was a cow, but she died. How is it "We have no value, we lose, weep ...". Well, until, say, until the 50th year, a boom to work or ..
    1. Sanzyro
      Sanzyro 24 September 2011 00: 40 New
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      It only happens in fairy tales - the fox asked to visit, but the bunny survived - but in life everything is different! At a party, you know, at a party ... And put in place quickly! So do not roll out the sponge. repeat
  • Sergh
    Sergh 24 September 2011 06: 48 New
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    And who is so picky, went through everything, stuffed the minuses?
    If something is not clear, I will explain. Russia is slowly but surely moving away from Baikonur to the east, most likely together with its personnel. But to the east this is the second stage, and the first has already begun from October-November: a spaceport is ready for Kourou in French Guiana. Since 2007, the first stone has been laid, which was brought from Baikonur from the Gagarin launch (?). With two sets of Soyuz-ST-B launch vehicles, the first launch will be made there already and in a month. Kuru launches will increase payload from one to four tons of payload. A joint space project with the French will give great commercial potential, all and other advantages will give the maximum economic effect.
    That's basically short. Yes, by the way, the Mistrals here (well, this is my opinion) are likely to play an important role, most likely in the group they will participate in the protection of the water borders of both cosmodromes in French Guiana and in the Far East. And Russia began to restore a large fleet. Though slowly, noverno.
    As a result, it can be seen with the naked eye that Russia is withdrawing large strategic capacities (this is also illustrated by other examples) to its territory or under a serious irrefutable agreement with a good economic plus, although there are different opinions, but the picture is visible in some places!
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      LESHA pancake 24 September 2011 14: 39 New
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      THIS IS INEVITABLE TO HUNT WHEN HIS Cow is milked.
    2. oper66
      oper66 24 September 2011 19: 57 New
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      Well then, Kazakhstan can clear the future of Baikonur and save it as a museum in which ereks will work and only firecrackers will be launched instead of rockets
      1. ereke
        ereke 24 September 2011 20: 17 New
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        Why firecrackers? As the Russians themselves say, “There is no place empty” We left the economy after the Soviet Union (by the way, all this was done with the common fund from the investment of all Union republics) into the general treasury in Moscow, which collapsed before our eyes due to unprofitability, heavy industry production fell by 70 % in 1994 (according to German economists, if the recession reaches 30%, the state should go bankrupt) and Kazakhstan could rise, and by 1999, with the help of foreign capital and investment, as well as technology, it went into growth and the agro-industrial complex and heavy industry, especially in metallurgy (Indian capital) and in machine building (Korean investments and capital). And the Russian Federation, then also a young state, was solving its economic and political problems and could not just help physically. So let's break through the operas
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          oper66 24 September 2011 22: 32 New
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          good luck no one advocates for the collapse and why profitability has fallen just production has become throughout the former USSR and there is no one to work on
        2. Sanzyro
          Sanzyro 25 September 2011 12: 37 New
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          Wonderful man ... Chess word! wink So the fact of the matter is that nothing is empty. And it will not be empty, but not yours! Where else do you find such "invaders" who will build developed socialism for you ?? Throughout history, only russians acted on their own head ... And with the new owners, it is not yet known what position you will become! repeat
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            ereke 25 September 2011 13: 36 New
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            People who do not have modesty and unclean thoughts always say better than you will not find me or better and kinder than us not found. Probably don’t remember Chesslo how sarcastic you noticed that developed socialism was built on the bones of the people who built this developed socialism. Or did you forget that in the territory of Kazakhstan there were such well-known camps as ALZHIR (Akmola Camp for Wives of Traitors to the Motherland) and Karlag for enemies of the people? And that they survived, perhaps contrary to hope for a brighter future and a great desire to live at least for the sake of children. We don’t need others and your power is also inadequate, we are inappropriately different experiments from Marxist-socialist to capitalist we generally don’t need any "occupiers" including mermaids and your mercies and strangers, we also do not need. We are for equal partnership and mutually beneficial relations, and with you it is clear who we are talking about. If something is unsettling, you can move your own way, only without us, And there can be no other point on this
            1. Sanzyro
              Sanzyro 25 September 2011 15: 06 New
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              1) "not" with verbs is written separately! 2) If you try to isolate yourself from the world, then it is not fenced off from you! 3) Your homegrown behest in the 21st century is in no hurry to send you something. 3) Equality to you may well be ensured on the other side of the Chinese border - do not eat, don’t slap yourself ... 4) And by the way, about nationalism - I have no more questions ...
              1. ereke
                ereke 25 September 2011 15: 38 New
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                Well, this is a purely Russian move, right away if you don’t know the Russian language and start to get smart (and there’s nothing more to reveal your stupidity) I’m not considered Russian, but I doubt that you can also correctly express thoughts in another foreign language, right away right away. As for China, throw here a propoganda spreads, for twenty years of independence, something China has never thrown us over with hats. although the economic was and is stronger than Russia now. They export more of their products to the United States and the United States, being their main debtor. But Russia has been trying to carry out political and economic expansion with arrogant stubbornness over the past few years, lobbying for its interests and belittling our interests in an open and even informative way and clouding people's heads by type we are good and doing everything right. Yes, you can look at any Russian site in comments so there the audacity of computer suckers and Russian degenerates and direct insults, undisguised or veiled Nazism suffices, and not only with respect to Kazakhstan as well as other former union republics. Gidomassony rest their propaganda. And it's good that you are not China. there aren’t any opportunities, otherwise you wouldn’t write with your fraudulent methods, you’ll set yourself against not only Pindos but also all the former republics to complete hatred, but what you have to pressure is gas and oil and we don’t have it need))
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                  Quote: ereke
                  Well, this is already a purely Russian move, immediately if you don’t know the Russian language and begin to be clever, (and there’s nothing else to hide your stupidity about)


                  You try without insults, huh? Here there are more advances in this regard, if that.

                  Quote: ereke
                  I don’t think I’m Russian, but I doubt that you can also correctly express thoughts in another foreign language, immediately and immediately.


                  Well, since this site is Russian-speaking, then so be so kind as to spend time installing at least an attachment to the broomstick and text pre-moderation. type in the Word, and then copy here.
                  For example, I don’t speak Kazakh, and I don’t tag at sites that are in Kazakh, for example.
                  And my thoughts, for example, can be expounded in three languages, so what? Want to try? Easy. And you will not find one in any translator.

                  Want to be respected - start with yourself and respect others.
                  Quote: ereke
                  Yes, any Russian site can be seen in comments. There, the impudence of computer suckers and Russian degenerates and direct insults, not covered up or veiled Nazism, is enough not only for Kazakhstan.


                  No, I am a bastard ... And what did you want after the "Russian, bring down to Russia", "Give our lands" and other things? I am silent, that they write to you. What they say. And how they do it. Do you have facts that say that Kazakhs' families from Russia were thrown away, threatening in every possible way? And I have a shaft.

                  Quote: ereke
                  Well, what do you have to push, because it is gas and oil and in it we do not need))


                  No, well, except for gas and oil, there is still something in the bins ... wink

                  And for Baikonur like this ... I think it will be possible to launch Petards. But not more. Because it is unlikely that the USSR, as a legacy to future competitors, is unlikely to be left. So what, and we still have a lot of explosives. For the fact that we can not take out.

                  But for some reason I am sure that this will not happen. Over the years of 20, oligophrenic observation (not to be confused with oligarchs) and clowns in the government of Kazakhstan were somehow not observed. And even ayfonist will be able to agree with reasonable people. In case of emergency.
                  1. ereke
                    ereke 26 September 2011 20: 12 New
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                    And you, I’m watching here the adjustable Banshee jewelry pedal type both ours and yours, as a result it turns out ours and we mean wrong and our mother is wrong. I’ll follow your advice and stop discussing on Russian sites, my colleagues have been saying this for a long time, talking to hell with these tugadums, but they don’t understand simple words in their neighbors, but somehow they’ll find themselves in another country so that their tails are pressed better than Ivan not found. In short, you need to think about Kazakhstan
      2. Sanzyro
        Sanzyro 25 September 2011 15: 24 New
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        Tie Ishakov to starting farms. This is a MEGA-hitch! Eternal!
        1. ereke
          ereke 25 September 2011 16: 02 New
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          You are probably a respected button player, confusing us with other people. We are nomads and not dehkans, and raised horses. We adhere to these traditions and now what a nomad without a good horse-tulpar. You are already starting to move on to inappropriate insults asking for bad words and deeds))
    3. Sanzyro
      Sanzyro 25 September 2011 15: 31 New
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      No, bye, alternatives to Baikonur! Not yet! And in Guiana, it will never be ours! Judge for yourself! When the devil is on the horns - what is it yours ?? So, partnership ... Not forever and unequal. In Kazakhstan EVERYTHING was built from scratch and then we were asked! And you are Guiana ...
      1. Ivan35
        Ivan35 25 September 2011 17: 59 New
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        Sanzuro! Ereke! Tie it up! You are right men and everyone has their own position - but there are no insoluble contradictions between you and you are not enemies - this is the main thing!

        Now some kind of Nazi troll (even Russian at least Kazakh) will appear and pour "kerosene" into your discussion - I would not want the site readers to decide that there are any real problems and contradictions - by and large there are practically none.
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          ereke 26 September 2011 06: 13 New
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          Yes, I also understood the inadequacy here is complete, I wanted to be tied up with the comments, so these trollies have already passed on to the arrogant direct insults of my people. It seems impossible according to the rules of the site or is the law for such unwritten? he answered a couple of times then. And so it’s all useless to say it already, but such thoughts are not well known to them. Because of them, others will think that all Russians are like that, think from here why why they treat Russians like that ...
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            Ivan35 26 September 2011 12: 26 New
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            Well, here I agree with you, they don’t like you - and they should swear and insult you personally - and not the whole nation
            They slid down to the level of the Nazis (fascists - whatever you call one essence), insulting all your people personally instead of you. It's disgusting!
            Do not judge by these 2-3 about all Russian

            Do not succumb to provocations and do not slip to their own level - I am sure that some of your comments are simply "in a hurry" - it was not enough for you and me to start arguing for the joy of the "trolls"

            I myself am from Almaty and I have many friends of Kazakhs - many of them consider themselves Communists (like me)
            1. oper66
              oper66 28 September 2011 10: 01 New
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              it’s understandable that you have friends from the Kazakhs red and from alma-ata, but the eric from the first kament makes territorial claims to Russia and accuses Russia and Russians of their capture of the occupation of the loss of independence in a nationalistic vein — and you accept at this stage you persuade that they say Kazakhs are so pretty, but the fact that he behaves rudely proving that they are almost the first nation and says that he is happy to wait for the Saxons to come, he sends all his comments in an anti-Russian vein, plus him proving that he’s right - someone already understands your agreement communism but enough internationalism no one has learned the lessons of the past - at least one former republic and the USSR people said thank you to Russia - there are no prtensias and dislikes even the Kyrgyz people after the Baltic states require an indemnity from Russia even if there is one loud voice but there are others there will be others in the fact that the Kazakh police conducted a passport check and in the fact that they believe that everything that has been done at the baikonur it’s their merit and it belongs to the cities erected by the Russians and their cities and it is expressed by Erica that the mood among Kazakhs flourishes there are no respected streams of claims or forgiveness of pogroms 90 and attitude to Russians, and here you are Compromisers and have shamed Russia and the Soviet Union allowing them to consider themselves superior to others
    4. Sanzyro
      Sanzyro 25 September 2011 21: 39 New
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      To the question of the fleet ... Have you heard about the exercises in Kamchatka ?? Well read it!
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        Sanzyro 26 September 2011 00: 30 New
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        Inarticulate cons ... And what, does our fleet flourish ?? Did I say something wrong? The article on the exercises is available for free, everywhere, read! But even without it, it is clear that our fleet, frankly, is rotting!
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        nnnnnnnnn 27 September 2011 21: 10 New
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        I served there from 1990 to 1996 in the 25th division of the SSBN and lived on PKZ-35 for two years, and my classmates are still 80% crap, but the rest is true.
  • nnnnnnnnn
    nnnnnnnnn 24 September 2011 20: 02 New
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    Dear Sergh, as in that classic “where is Kura, and where is the cottage?” I was there about the cosmodrome “Oriental” a year ago while only taiga and budget money are sawing. The Soviet Depot fleet was sold on metal and in what condition the war with Georgia showed it. even the commander of the Hero of Russia boat was given, and the cruiser Moskva didn’t even fart from its basalts, the question is why, and therefore the Russian Federation today does not have an orbital group to provide target designation for sea-based cruise missiles, and these are only surface ships but also submarines . GLONASS? but special forces in the Caucasus walk on American GPS. cool Russian special forces on Pindos GPS Baikonur is the foundation on which Roscosmos makes money only I can not understand for whom? Yes, probably in your GPS car I’m sorry, the navigator is probably not GLOSSnassovsky?
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 26 September 2011 00: 34 New
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      Ha! Well, with a cruiser it’s more or less clear, five torpedo ones and I wouldn’t even raise sails. GLONASS speak? This is already pleasing. I have GPS-GLONASS, I will say THING, complements each other and more precisely. So what ?, In addition to Russia and the USA, there is still silence, and in two years I think Glonass will reach the level.
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 26 September 2011 00: 55 New
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        YES, STILL, am I still wondering? Why didn’t the Georgians cut? They also had bullets, like Granites. Then I guessed, in the place of the commander, if I be, if I shoot in Russian, then the khan of Tbilisi !!!
  • Dmitry T 25 September 2011 01: 18 New
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    Lovely scolding, just amuse. Kazakhs are a good people, they managed to build their own (what kind of) economy. The Russians, of course, were sent, but they themselves, especially, do not climb. I consider them friends, as well as Belarusians, even brothers ..))
    1. Ivan35
      Ivan35 25 September 2011 17: 53 New
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      Totally agree!
    2. Sanzyro
      Sanzyro 25 September 2011 21: 30 New
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      Oh, how ... They built an economy ... Something new! Of course, they sent the Russians - well, they would not have been sent, because they built the economy, what for now they are needed ?!
  • slan
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    Provocative article. No one in the Russian Federation has problems with Baikonur, and Vali Falin is directly hysterical. Almost certainly his maiden name Falman, or even worse. In the comments I saw the Kazakh nationalist for the first time. And something tells me that it is very unlikely that he is writing from Kazakhstan)) Of course, in any family there is a monster, but in general, this is alien to the Kazakhs, especially since they are on the Internet.
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      Ivan35 25 September 2011 17: 52 New
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      I agree - the article is a provocation. There are enough threats in the world - and we should not share anything with either Belarusians or Kazakhs. We do not need the regions of Kazakhstan and some parts of Belarus - we need to unite as a whole - Moscow will still be the capital - and this is what’s going on

      And about Yereke I don’t agree - yes, he has a national dignity - but he is not a nationalist - it seems to me that he simply discussed and expressed his opinion there - where he considered the comments incorrect and offensive to the Kazakhs

      In general, Kazakhs are internationalists by nature - I live here and apart from these stupid innovations, the nachset of the language does not feel any discomfort.
      It seems to me that it’s not necessary to publish such articles at all and provoke such disputes - it’s good that everyone remained within the "framework" - as Dmitry T said - "darlings only amuse themselves"
      I think that we and the Kazakhs were and will be - they (I assure you!) Will be closer to many Russian peoples from Russia
      1. slan
        slan 25 September 2011 18: 04 New
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        Quote: Ivan35
        And about Yereke I do not agree

        I probably inattentively read his posts, I apologize.
      2. Sanzyro
        Sanzyro 25 September 2011 21: 14 New
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        I heard from these internationalists back in the 80s - Russians get out this is our city! The song is old ... They were nomads - they remained nomads! How many minuses were thrown, Baikonur, it turns out they built ... Who would have thought ?!
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          Ereke is definitely not a nationalist. Just an expression of thoughts is. Well, the Kazakhs were never the brakes ever.

          Quote: Ivan35
          I think that we and the Kazakhs were and will be - they (I assure you!) Will be closer to many Russian peoples from Russia


          Definitely. It binds too much, and the blood is total spilled, and work.

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          I still heard from these internationalists in 80-s - Russian get out, this is our city!


          Every family has its black sheep. I heard this in Ukraine, in Estonia, and in Azerbaijan ... There are rabid idiots everywhere.

          Another question, in some arrogance, due to the elementary desire to show that they, too, are not sewn. So LET !!! let them say, and let them show that there is nothing like that in it.

          My grandfather was in Kazakhstan, my father was born in Dzhezkazgan, I also often visited relatives before. Well, here they are, with their cockroaches in their heads, but to whom I would trust my back, one opinion. Kazakh. At least, they throw less purely in their heads. Everything is simple - either your own or someone else's. without throwing. And we are with them for a long time. No fools.
          There are all sorts of things with such a difficult being, which we went after the year 91. But we live ... And we will live.

          Strength in unity, no matter how cool. Therefore, dear, that's enough for you already. The article is really strange, a wedge of a sort. There is nothing to provoke provoking and throwing over each other. We are in the same trench.
    2. oper66
      oper66 26 September 2011 01: 02 New
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      so the name of the girl’s folder knew how to name the daughter
    3. ereke
      ereke 26 September 2011 07: 41 New
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      I am writing from Kazakhstan, now I am in Astana, and so I’m from Almaty. I am a moderate-thinking person. You have not yet seen true nationalists, They are simply not enough on Russian-speaking and Russian sites. And I’m Kazakh, and when you read the comments of Russian users about savages and chocks or a type of sucker, you will soon suck at the Russians, etc. Here, already involuntarily, you will become a Nazi-player and begin to hate Russians
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        Quote: ereke
        You still do not see these nationalists, They are just a little on the Russian-speaking and Russian sites.


        Saw, saw. And not only on sites.

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        And I’m still Kazakh, and when you read some Russian users' camments about savages and chocks or suckers like you’ll be sucking soon, etc. Here, involuntarily, you will become a NaziNist and start hating Russians


        The same stone can be sent to your garden.
        And everything is explained by the same thing: there are plenty of freaks and geeks both there and here. Consoles one thing: them a little. they are just loud.

        In fact, it begins to strain a little. It seems as if we are participants in some kind of experiment like "home 2". First there was a hochlosrach, then they caught on with the Belarusians, then again with the Ukrainians, now with the Kazakhs ...
        Hopefully, coincidence, coincidence, etc. And then so not long and play up to paranoia.
        Is it even necessary?

        Bottom line: ereke, try to look from the positive. On sites where Natsik stick out only a headache can be grabbed and a spoiled mood. The greatness of the People as such is not determined by the amount of excrement dumped on the Internet.

        As for the ethnic graters, everything is good there, both yours and ours. In the Voronezh and Saratov regions, entire villages were inhabited by those who left Kazakhstan. And no one experienced anything positive from this move. Kinks missing. As well as we have idiots in abundance, which the line in the passport "place of birth" unduly excites.
        1. Ivan35
          Ivan35 26 September 2011 11: 45 New
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          Banshee! You are wonderful! As always - thank you for being on this site!

          To Yerek — don’t think about all the Russians according to 2-3 nationalists — you also see them — they planted such people in the Soviet Union and shot under Stalin!

          Do not slip to their level even in the heat of controversy - then you will play into their hands and into the hands of external enemies, both ours and your people! You were provoked to no longer needed ones - extra comments with which I would argue already - (Banshee wrote to you already about them)

          Visit our site (and do not succumb to provocations)!

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          Ivan35 26 September 2011 11: 54 New
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          Banshee! You are wonderful! As always - thank you for being on this site!

          To Yerek — don’t think about all the Russians according to 2-3 nationalists — you also see them — they planted such people in the Soviet Union and shot under Stalin!

          Do not slip to their level even in the heat of controversy - then you will play into their hands and into the hands of external enemies, both ours and your people!
      2. mar.tira
        mar.tira 27 September 2011 07: 17 New
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        And you go to the Tolda-Korgan steppes closer to the border. Local Kazakhs hate you as much as Russians.
      3. ytqnhfk
        ytqnhfk 29 September 2011 23: 05 New
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        You’re wrong here as you can read the entire list of comments, you were patted up and you answered adequately, but all your opponents agreed that the Kazakhs are a good old friend whom nobody really wants to lose! And for the account of chocks and all other insults, for example, I know that in Russia they say so not about Kazakhs but about other Caucasian peoples, even Armenians are also respected (of them there are many cardiac surgeons and other sensible people of different professions)! In general, the word chock here often means a stupid person, it so happened that Caucasian peoples also fell under this syllable !!
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    About the article - there’s nothing to comment on. Kazakhstan did not invoice, and who said something is not important.
    And I want to say from the comments:
    Marat, Ivan35, Banshee was once again convinced that there are still smart people who are not amenable to nationalist provocations. nnnnnnnnn, thanks for the information on mutual settlements, it is a little sobering hot heads ...
    ereke, don’t give in so easily on provocation, you started the discussion so wonderfully, I agree that some comrades clearly “bent” and rolled down to the level of shaved punks. I beg you not to associate them with the Russian people. They read nationalist comments with great shame .... Especially from the Russians.

    As for the territorial divisions, you will all agree that the land has often passed over the centuries either in one hand or in another, and now, to arrange a bloody bickering, how then to fight? First pair on a pair, and then the survivors? Both the Russians and the Kazakhs have plenty of land, neither of them needs this sort of showdown.
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      Ivan35 26 September 2011 11: 56 New
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      My respect and sincere respect, our "red Joan of Arc!
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    Regarding what I wrote above: my relative wrote to me the following:

    "There were no official statements about the requirement of migration cards. But there is information that similar incidents took place. It will be checked. Personally from myself: there is an intention to change the throughput system, it has nothing to do with migration cards, everything is just starting. Judging by the information received, someone out there overzealous from official zeal. As you say, make a fool to pray to God, he will break his head. Do not take it into your head. "

    Something like this ...
  • Gur
    Gur 27 September 2011 08: 46 New
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    I’m trying to write a comment for the second time, I deleted it the first time .. like a lot of things in my head and it turns out rubbish with bitterness ... but still decided ..
    I don’t know who needs this and for what purpose, but the situation in Kazakhstan on ethnic grounds is again aggravated. It seems after the events of 86 years after the people of manifestation, so to speak, more or less settled down, moreover, after the collapse of Kazakhstan became independent. And here again, the question is raised about the Russians and the Russian language. And “who said something” according to Solodova (by the way, congratulations on joining the Communist Party of the Russian Federation) is constantly being picked up by the masses, so it’s not just like that, with the proposal to ban the Russian language as a second ethnic language, the Kazakhs were torn off. Now constantly here and there, these graters begin, from the store to the clinic. From simple neglect to hysterical scandal with the transition to interracial relations. Peaceful life in Kazakhstan is gradually ending, more and more religion is going on, more and more young people with beards and girls in hedgehogs are appearing in the country (like that). And I do not completely share the optimism of Ivan and other living Russian speakers in Kazakhstan. As for the statements of Ereke, competently and extensively .. almost the entire history textbook of Kazakhstan, the current school course in short, it remains only to name the favorite dog of Ablai Khan and how many teeth his horse had (no offense, because there are such questions at UNT) I am a man of the Soviet formation and I relate to the whole new history and rewritten skeptical. Each newly created state seeks something in the history of the hitherto unknown. The beginning is from the Russians, some kind of utter nonsense about the origin of the Western peoples from the Rus or the Ugrians, about the capture and collapse of Rome by Russian barbarians, to the Tajik views on the construction of the wheel. And the story with whoever built what and who taught whom whom, too, should already remain in history. Russia and Kazakhstan separate states (not looking at the HARDWARE) when sharing claims for the constructed and for the help in the war did not show. So no one owes anything to anyone. As for China, one can only recall (though not only Kazakhstan but also Russia) that they have not yet canceled maps with the Chinese borders to Almaty and to Khabarovsk. Although I know Kazakhs who visit China less often, they agree to expansion already. And an example of Uighurs (or they don’t know about this experience .. which is unlikely) they are not scared. And the fact that China, despite all the water treaties, on its own initiative parses Eli and Irtysh for irrigation without leaving anything to Kazakhstan and Russia, also says nothing? And the conclusion ... I think so, although this is geopolitically not true, but the Russian leadership should have a headache about it. If our interethnic relations are so burdensome, let the Russians leave quietly, that is, compensate for the cost of housing (at least) and do not write inscriptions like "do not buy houses from Russians, they will soon be ours," then peace and understanding can come? When everyone will be at home and there will be no one to blame? Then how much will the population of Kazakhstan decrease? And who will work? . although there are practically no production facilities in Kazakhstan. As for Baikonur, history has already shown .. that Kazakhstan cannot cope with such an object. After the 90s, the city fell into decay .. boarded up windows and camels grazed through the streets. After signing the lease .. he had to rebuild his son. Musabaev, on his fingers, explained to Majelis everything about Baikanur about prices and compensations. What is numbing again?
  • nnnnnnnnn
    nnnnnnnnn 27 September 2011 21: 39 New
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    Gentlemen began about Baikonur finished normal babskoy weld. If we understand whose chosen people we will not go far. Russians are terribly fond of the words “chock”, “black-headed, etc. I don’t understand your Federation and chocks of the so-called very many Kazakhs who are citizens of the Russian Federation and in the Chechen wars many of these“ chocks ”were killed for RUSSIA (oper66 you say major of the hide in the holes, but it seems to me a simple office plankton YOU, and if you were, then relate to the system of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.) I did not see any Natsik running through the streets of cities In Kazakhstan, shouting beat Russians, Kazakhstan for Kazakhs, well, I saw and did not hear, they came in the summer friends from the Russian Federation went to Alakul (this is in the steppes of Taldykurgansk th region) the guys normally liked and were very surprised that we speak Russian and many without accent.Ereke don’t stoop to the level of a school teacher, the history of Kazakhstan is only necessary for you, but not for operas and other trolls. Conclusion Baikonur needs the RF, it’s clear that no one is going to increase the rent in the contract, this is clearly described .. As far as I remember there are documents that clearly distinguish between the activities of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Kazakhstan in Baikonur.
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    oper66 28 September 2011 21: 25 New
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    when it seems that you are baptized and don’t understand this swar, you’re telling me to insult me, you’re trying to better explain how to understand that the renaming of Russian cities of Pavlodar begins
    there is something to answer, or again you are cute narrow-film pussies or that there is a ban on the Russian language and Russians are surviving
  • mar.tira
    mar.tira 29 September 2011 08: 10 New
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    Yes, to say something, nationalism in Kazakhstan is growing every year. They do not like the Russian mentality, and the achievements of the Soviet people in the construction of the industry and agriculture, Kazakhstan. I recently witnessed in a store in Northern Kazakhstan, young Kazakhs drove a Russian woman out of the store 50 years old and said that she would go to her home in Russia. We were in two cars, and when they saw us they left immediately. THIS IS FOR YOURS! And this is from impunity and permissiveness, encouragement by the leadership of such actions. Rob, all that isn’t made you but at any predlogom.Vot my sister and went to Kazakhstan, he took out, or when you do not forget how mockingly watched the once good neighbors-Kazakhs to our fees and Departure.
    1. ereke
      ereke 30 September 2011 04: 03 New
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      mar.tira- I see you are slowly bleeding and skillfully setting up for the Kazakhs, in a word, Troll, computer goof, you think no one understands your intentions? What kind of young Kazakhs are they expelling a Russian woman to you, you seem to have never been to Kazakhstan. The Kazakh people are hospitable people of the East and to everything else they respect the elders and the old, so this is crap. If they beat, then for the matter, regardless of nationality, at least a Russian or another and Kazakhs among themselves are also chopped if there is a jamb of some kind, this is the case everywhere. Speak on two cars? if it will be necessary at least on three cars if the jamb is closed inadvertently, even two Kazakhs are stocking you without problems. And all who Russians pulled back into the neighboring Slavic state, half returned, those who received citizenship didn’t return. My neighbor and my cottage sold everything in general and left for Russia in 2001, but nowhere to live, it’s good that his elder sister lives in the suburbs and she gave him her cottage. I met him in 2008 in Almaty and said, “Fuck Russia, I am Kazakhstani my home here.” You should have read the weekly caravan for 1996, when one Russian family moved there when we had devastation here and everything became with the collapse of the USSR. There, besides Moscow and St. Petersburg, the rest of Russia is wilderness and, as the Russians themselves say, cattle live who only work on booze and then until two in the afternoon and then smoke break until the evening and talk about politics. So he worked hard here, and as an oriental man began to grow kindly, he started several dairy cows. the foreman became the house took a good one. So they did not give him life. The son at the school was beaten and published by locals, calling him a kulak son, and girls from the school were not introduced to their daughter either. (to see from the elders they took an example to see behind a booze in the kitchen, as you have done, scolded the Kazakhstani, and the children hear everything) One fine day, a cow from grazing came to their house, someone from the local knife ripped open her stomach, intestines dragged along the ground , He sold everything and returned, to -removed- this Russia I am a Kazakhstani and that's it.
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      Gur 30 September 2011 12: 02 New
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      Dear, do not go too far ... and where does the mentality and achievements .. re-project your projection to any republic of the CIS, and you will get the same thing. It's just that we are all on posts. space lost a sense of fear. Everyone is trying to self-expression and assert themselves as individuals and states. What united us before ... one idea? maybe ... and fear? probably .. and the Second World War showed that he (fear) was not unfounded. In the USSR after the war, lyuley could get everything from the Baltic states to the Tajiks. And not just in the form of a nuclear fungus. Now the wolf is in sheep’s guise .. everyone’s smiling, but when he breaks our flock into separate states .. everyone will remember what fear is. Maybe it will be in the likeness of Iraq or Libya, or maybe not. And these wolves recently recruited more and more. China, Turkey, NATO and the United States, Islamists, radicalists, drug mafia .. That's when we all from the "black-ass" to the "Russian pigs" remember everything .. and that we were silent about what was happening in everyone in the country .. and someone and contributed to this, but whining as at the mercy of the USSR it will be too late and no one.
  • bosxxl
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    Forgot who their fuck and feeds
  • ereke
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    And here the Russians live comfortably and no one touches them, even if they fight, it’s for business or booze, whether he be Russian or Pole or German or Chechen or other ethnic groups of Kazakhstan. In Almaty, Russians have two or three apartments each, visitors rent one or two, there are so many Russian apartments rented out, and visitors from villages are regularly paid without unnecessary conversations and try to enter trust in the tenants of the apartment.
    1. Gur
      Gur 30 September 2011 09: 14 New
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      Not everyone is so joyfully respected heresy, there are problems and they grow like a snowball. The influx of returnees has stopped and the flow of those leaving is increasing. In Almaty, this fact is not very obvious, but near the licking violent points this map is well described. In particular, in Sary Ozek .. of the Russians, there were only those who simply had no place to go and no one to go to. Russian school classes consist of 8 -9 people. (Grades 1-3 are simply no further) Yes, there is your truth in the fact that we Kazakhstanis, despite the fact that we are going to our historical homeland, so to speak, cannot take root and join in ( to sleep, etc.) with local violence, the same thing happens in Kazakhstan with the Uralmans .. skirmishes occur everywhere and the local is no longer so free. Arriving from Russia, who left to visit the graves and all that .. meeting the former neighbors of the Kazakhs .. Kazakhs, of course, arrange a feast despite the fact that before the county they were not very relationship .. and everyone tries to invite to their house and treat (this does not take away Kazakhs) and started to complain .. why they asked you to leave .. now the Uralmans have populated .. with their cockroaches in their heads. (The Uralmans are a separate song) So we are Kazakhstani people .. We are losing mutually unequivocally on what is happening. And what is happening here is right to make comments (if everything else is g .. omitted) then all these interethnic conflicts on the territory of Kazakhstan .. are often made out of the connivance of the authorities and the silent contemplation of the Kazakhs who disagree with this state of affairs, so as not to consider them, I don’t even know what to call it, not a patriot or something. The deputy spoke in the Majelis (I don’t remember the last name, but I need to look for time, the thought will go away) at the expense of introducing the Kazakh language and canceling Russian. He said that the Kazakhs themselves must first deal with their language .. prepare a base (translate a large stock of world works and knowledge into the Kazakh language) to agree on the transition to the Latin alphabet, etc., etc. Well, what was he called after that ?? and the man said quite reasonable things. Yes, and if you need my phone and address, I can provide it without the KNB. If you go to the KNB at the same time, ask for. and from me and my children and relatives .. let them also deal with those who write the inscriptions such as “Russians do not leave, we need slaves and prostitutes”, the industrial region of Ust Kamenagorsk, as well as the one that I wrote above .. occurring everywhere.
      1. ereke
        ereke 30 September 2011 10: 29 New
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        Here is the GUR official statistics from Rosstat (unpleasant, but read to the end). From Russia since the end of the 80s of the last century, i.e. when officially opened the borders 40 million Russians left for permanent residence, mainly Russians and Jews (twice the population of Kazakhstan). The main countries of moving are the USA, Israel, Canada. The export of capital in 2009 in Russia reached about 2 trillion. dollars mainly to the UK and the Commonwealth countries (Cyprus), and by this indicator, Russia is in the top five per capita in% of the amount of exported capital annually. In Russia, three people are born, five die every hour. Those. Russian population growth minus -2 per year. In a word, Russian is getting smaller.

        And at the expense of nationalist inscriptions, I also drove to Almaty last year to see such inscriptions on a transformer booth in the form of graffiti: OYAN KAZAK! ... etc. generally. These are young people, teenagers in high school, after the 90th year of birth, they didn’t really communicate with Russians in life, for them Russians are a stereotype that they created in their head looking at a zombie man about youth organizations of Russian Nazis (also young) or about the conversation of some adults . Nationalism is blooming now with all the colors of the rainbow everywhere, Even in old Europe (the example of Breivik who put a good dozen of his fellow citizens into the grave from an army carbine, from nationalist feelings)
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    ereke 30 September 2011 04: 26 New
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    In general, you need to find out these independent media addresses and names of admins that I notice something wrong here ... Drop in at building 8 in Barlau here in Astana (Syrtky Barlau, foreign intelligence special services) to ask them what they are doing there aware that independent media resources are going on and whether they know Admins and moderators all the data, what kind of mafia is everyday, they try to turn everything into chaos, they think it will run into this, and the names of articles are law-enforcement, and the USA is huge for bases in Turkey they pay money and nothing, even satisfied, although the bases themselves are built or in a foreign land. I’ll have to go to Almaty, there are close friends of my classmates in the KNB, Soon I’ll try all the addresses and phone numbers at once I warn your bosxxl too, I’ll try to punch through your data (I won’t go public, of course), otherwise you probably won’t stop thinking that you’re safe
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    Gur 30 September 2011 11: 31 New
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    For me, it’s not news that you wrote .. besides, in the 80s we were all for Europe and another world — Russians ... a large number left, including from Kazakhstan .. Germany, Greece, Canada, Israel, Australia. Because of the problems that are written above, and it’s not only possible because of the desire to live and not survive, and there are bablos to implement this idea, people prefer to go to hell. For the export of capital, I think this is not a national trait .. but the philistine. It’s also no secret that the Kazakhs are not inferior to the Russian oligarchs in buying up real estate and exporting capital. Both act at the same time together ... stealing and pulling away their countries. With regard to mortality and population growth, Kazakhstan makes up for its losses at the expense of the Uralmans. Yes, now there are many pregnant women on Almaty street, God forbid, but in Kazakh families, one child is no longer an isolated fact, and the problem of drug addiction and alcoholism is also growing. And the problems of medicine? even speaking is probably not worth it. So this problem is more likely not only of the Russians but of all post-Soviet republics. The situation is the same in Ukraine (there are some connections). As for nationalism, the fact of the matter is that all this flourishes with the tacit consent of adults and authorities. And it’s not a fact that you can’t make a jerk to a sucker sucking a nap and a lop-sided whole puddle, you won’t get the same in the face from the crowd .. and a policeman who comes up will not give you a club.
  • solodova 30 September 2011 16: 08 New
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    Really a bitter topic. In all nations, someone is cultivating the Natsiks ... What can I say, biting not only on ethnic grounds, on class, on political, someone looked poorly, someone laughed at the wrong time, that's all, conflict. Only a pretext is required. Aggression in society is growing. Someone says that flashes in the sun, someone from an unsettled life, someone from impunity.
    In the Tambov region, they do not like Russian visitors. They don’t know what ethnic Kazakhs look like, but they don’t love us a priori, because we are from there. Now it’s not so, but I know there have been cases when visitors were set on fire at home. And not to the rich, but to ordinary workers, who were hunchbacked by all families from morning to night.
    I think the manifestations of Nazism among Kazakhs and Russians are someone aimed at discord, the aggression of young generations who grew up in gangster 90 on bloody action films and in life and on TV.