The standoff, Su-35 against ...




The press service of the company "Sukhoi" has recently officially declared that the tests of the newest Russian fighters Su-35 confirm all the theoretical calculations of the design team and even surpass them. The report also says that the potential characteristics of the aircraft will not leave the chances of its "classmates" of the generation "4" "4 +". Recall that these are such samples as: "Rafaele" and EF 2000, as well as upgraded F-15, F-16, F-18 and Mirage2000.

During the time of the Soviet Union, the country's defense was paid close attention, and the main criterion for the structure of the combat structure of the Air Force was not the minimum funding, but the criterion for the maximum effectiveness of tasks. Therefore the whole military aviation It was divided into four genera, each of which was designed to fulfill its highly specialized tasks. Thus, high combat qualities of vehicles in each individual class were achieved. Prominent representatives of this classification are the Su-27 and MiG-29 fighters, the Su-17 and MiG-27 fighter-bombers, the Su-24 front-line bombers and the Su-25 attack aircraft. In this case, fighter-bomber aviation units could be used as reinforcements for the main fighter units for the suppression of low maneuverable air targets. Such a system for building the structure of the air force has repeatedly proved its effectiveness in numerous wars around the world, in particular Vietnam, North Korea and the Middle East.



With the formation of Russia, the military’s views on the principles of building the Air Force changed and the aircraft designers faced the task of creating modern multi-purpose machines capable of performing the tasks of all four classes with equal success. The Sukhoi Design Bureau, and now the Sukhoi UAC, has coped with its task by creating a line of multi-purpose, highly maneuverable aircraft, the last of which is the Su-35.

When it was created, the designers decided to retreat from the already developed schemes of the front horizontal tail, since the technologies developed by that time allowed to do this not to the detriment of the advantages in controllability of the CG. So the airframe of the aircraft has changed significantly and allowed to increase the overall service life of the machine, provide a greater supply of fuel and accommodate new systems of avionics.



The most important difference of the new fighter from the 4 + generation machines was the introduction of the fifth generation avionics complex. The radar with a rotating phased array "Irbis-E" provides guaranteed detection and acquisition of air targets at distances up to 200 kilometers, and in the narrowed sector of the review to 350-400km. This system is capable of tracking simultaneously up to 30 targets and directing missiles at 8 of them, while monitoring the airspace is not interrupted. Radar also provides a selection of ground targets. The visibility of the aircraft itself for the enemy radar is reduced several times compared with the previous generation aircraft. This is achieved through the use of a special electrically conductive coating of the cockpit canopy, a reduction in the number of external sensors and the application of radio absorbing coatings on the airframe of the vehicle.

The multichannel optical-location armament control system is capable of detecting and tracking thermal radiation targets at a distance of up to 90 kilometers and measures the distance to them in the range from 20 to 30 kilometers. OLS is also used to illuminate ground targets, to control the guidance of guided missiles with laser homing heads on them.



Touched the change and the workplace of the pilot - the cockpit. The navigation and sighting system consists of a satellite navigation system, radio navigation of an onboard graphic station, a pendant surveillance and sighting container, and a FOCL (fiber-optic communication lines). The “dark cockpit” principle was implemented to reduce the workload; the pilot was also provided with an on-target designation system and a reliable emergency escape complex. Voice communication with the pilot is carried out through the terminal of the information exchange system of the link-16 type. All data and voice channels are securely encrypted.

The power plant Su-35 is represented by two separated engines with rotary nozzles that provides thrust in the afterburner mode on 16% more than that of the AL-31F engines. This allows the machine to take ton tons of 34,5 takeoff speed of km / h. and distance 2500 kilometers with a ceiling 3600 km. The integrated control system "KSU-18" having fourfold redundancy of control channels, performs several functions at the same time and significantly enhances the flight and maneuverability capabilities of the aircraft. The claimed engine life is 35 hours.



The aircraft’s armament is represented by a stationary cannon of caliber 30 mm. and a large set of outboard weapons hosted on 12 external suspension points. He is able to carry simultaneously up to 8 tons of weapons of various types, this includes guided aviation weapons of anti-radar and anti-ship, adjustable bombs and unguided TSA.

As part of the flight test program, more than 300 flights were performed and the planes were transferred to state tests at the 929 State Flight Test Center, where, starting from August 15, they began to implement the agreed program. In the same place the first serial copy joined it. At this time, the complex is ready for testing for combat use.



The media got unconfirmed information about the virtual fights of Su-35 and American F-35, conducted to compare the combat power of these machines. The fights were held as part of the secret Pacific Vision-2008 exercises at Hickam Air Force Base in Hawaii. Major-General Charles Davis, the head of the F-35 program, said that the exercises addressed problems in a completely different direction by not accepting, but noted the overwhelming advantage of F-35 over all existing fighter models in the world, and therefore to the Russian Su-35. (For reference: the US Air Force F-35, a multi-purpose fighter-bomber, attributed by the US military to the fifth-generation aircraft).

Russian scientists have a diametrically opposite opinion on this. According to the data obtained as a result of mathematical modeling of air battles with the use of various modifications of the F-35 US Air Force and Su-35 in the 117С engines, provided that the opponents have the same weaponry, the Russian model has an overwhelming advantage over any of the modifications of the fighter from America. The probability of a successful outcome of the F-35 battle against Su-35 does not exceed 0,21-0,28.

Of course, the final conclusions in this dispute are still too early. It would be nice to first give the Su-35 to adopt the Russian Air Force, which before 2015 should receive 48 such machines. But even the preliminary results of the tests of the aircraft of the new generation already provide some food for thought. Su-35 has a great future ahead and a clear sky for him!

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  1. ballian
    ballian 22 September 2011 08: 27 New
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    Real battles will solve everything, not PR stories. In the same Yugoslavia, all MiG - 29 NATO fighters were killed in aerial battles without losses.
    1. Sanzyro
      Sanzyro 22 September 2011 08: 37 New
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      So big, but you believe in fairy tales! wink - to the NATO tales!
      1. Smirnov Vadim 22 September 2011 08: 42 New
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        And he would just make a mess. "Pravdolyub" - ballian, only with a very strong pro-Western bias ...
      2. ballian
        ballian 22 September 2011 08: 55 New
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        In the sense ? 6 Instant - 29 shot down in 1999 by the American F - 15 and F - 16 - this is reality (they were not shot down by aliens) And nobody saw the wreckage of American aircraft.
        1. Smirnov Vadim 22 September 2011 09: 04 New
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          Well, you know better from Tomsk ...
        2. Vadivak 22 September 2011 09: 34 New
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          Too lazy to argue cite excerpts

          Even before the official start of hostilities on March 24, a fighter under the command of Major Neiboshi Nikolic during a patrol flight was hit by NATO fighters. At 20.30, Lieutenant Colonel Lyubish Kulachin took off his MIG-29 with the task of covering his comrade. Kulachin conducted a maneuverable air battle with several enemy fighters for 15 minutes, after which he safely landed at the alternate aerodrome.
          Earlier this day, another battle took place. Major Iliya Arizanov received the order for departure at 19.00. After practicing guidance commands, he met with a large number of enemy aircraft, marching in the opposite direction. Having almost collided with one of the NATO members, the Serbian pilot, having performed an energetic maneuver, went into the tail of another enemy fighter and launched a rocket. The enemy fighter went into a tailspin and crashed to the ground, however, the Yugoslav plane, which received a missile hit, caught fire. Major Arizanov managed to eject safely. Already on the ground, he watched as the wreckage of the plane he had shot down, whose pilot, obviously, could not escape.
          The real shock for America was the destruction on the third day of hostilities of the F-117A aircraft (pilot - Captain Ken Dvili), shot down in a night aerial battle 32 km from Belgrade by the Yugoslav fighter MIG-29. Apparently, the events unfolded as follows: in 20.45, Lt. Col. Gvozden Dyukach, intercepted and shot down an unobtrusive strike aircraft Lockheed Martin F-117A Nighthawk. According to the Serbian pilot, the Stealth was destroyed at night after it was visually detected by the very first air-to-air missile (obviously, the P-60M with TGS). According to the American pilot, the attack occurred quite unexpectedly, without triggering the warning system, and he "does not remember how he pulled the catapult ring." Seven hours later, a search team of American commandos found the pilot in a shelter, where he was hiding from the Yugoslav police, and delivered him to Avian airbase (northern Italy). However, during the search and rescue operation to search and evacuate the pilot, at least one American helicopter with special forces on board was lost. According to the version of the Serbs, the pilot was captured and was exchanged. This is partially confirmed by Russian volunteers who were at that moment in the Yugoslav army.
          The Armed Forces of Yugoslavia announced the destruction of two F-15C aircraft in air battles (this information is partially confirmed by video frames), an inconspicuous strike aircraft F-117A, as well as other types of aircraft (presumably Tornado, F-16 and F / A-18C) . According to the NATO command, by April 30, the Yugoslav Air Force kept 60% of all MIG-29 fighters available at the beginning of the war. These machines were also actively used in May, as evidenced by new reports of the loss of Allied combat aircraft, as well as American-made air-to-air missiles, which often fell on the territory of states adjacent to Yugoslavia.
          1. ballian
            ballian 22 September 2011 10: 27 New
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            Can't filter? Believe in all nonsense - no one forbids - the reality does not change from this.
            6 Mig - 29 shot down in aerial combat is a fact; everything else is the speculation of a kitchen warrior.
            Type the List of Aviation Losses of the Parties during the NATO War against Yugoslavia (1999) - and filter out the garbage of Internet dreamers.
            The F-117A was shot down by the S-125. from the ground - and it’s known specifically the name of the person who shot down - Zoltan Dani, by the way, this plane is not in service now — the Americans considered it too defenseless.
            1. ballian
              ballian 22 September 2011 10: 48 New
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              By the way, F-117A is a pure 100% bomber and could not be shot down in an "air battle". a-priory.
              1. Black Colonel 5 June 2012 18: 46 New
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                X @ la to argue with him - do not pay attention to the devil! He will be blown away anyway. am
            2. Vadivak 22 September 2011 11: 53 New
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              First of all, I don’t believe the information from the West, and if you follow your logic, then you believe that Russia began aggression against Georgia, all in the West believed,
              1. ballian
                ballian 22 September 2011 12: 05 New
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                My logic is simple - the Yugoslavs did not provide any wreckage of NATO aircraft or video confirmation except for the well-known ones. There were no NATO pilots either dead or captured - in the notorious “west” it is impossible to hide the losses of pilots, and there’s no need (heroes)
                In the "West", they officially accused Georgia of assaulting Ossetia.
                1. Vadivak 22 September 2011 14: 03 New
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                  Yeah impossible, when U-2 was shot down then impossible

                  the most important thing is that NATO officials themselves and some Western newspapers constantly talked about genuine losses (control over them was not as tight as over electronic media). For example, at the very beginning of the war, British Secretary of Defense Robertson recognized the loss in the sky over Yugoslavia of three English Tornado fighter-bombers, but they were “forgotten” in the final summary of NATO losses. Some independent think tanks in the West also did not share official optimism. Thus, the American International Association for Strategic Studies, after only the first month of hostilities (and they lasted more than two and a half months), claimed that the loss of allied aviation already amounted to 38 aircraft, 6 helicopters and 7 UAVs. This data coincides with the data of the SFRY Air Force in April 1999. However, at the end of the war this association did not publish the final loss data - apparently, it did not want to discredit its reputation with NATO "officialdom", and they advised it not to give genuine numbers to it. There are a lot of such examples, but you can use a different approach, so to speak, "the methodology of indirect evidence."

                  For example, NATO officially recognized the loss of 32 UAVs (even more than the figure that the Yugoslavs cited). And this is psychologically explicable. You can not hide the loss of unmanned aircraft, because it is not associated with the loss of pilots, and the equipment in the Western armies is very much. But it is the data on the losses of the UAV that make it possible to judge the rather high efficiency of the Yugoslav air defense. After all, it is even more difficult to shoot down a UAV than a manned aircraft. Despite the low speed of flight, the UAV has a small radar scattering surface, which makes it extremely difficult to use anti-aircraft missiles guided by radars, thermal radiation of the vehicles is also very small and therefore anti-aircraft missile systems with infrared guidance are also not very effective, small size reduces the possibility of damage artillery fire. So the big losses of the NATO UAVs are a sign of the effectiveness of the Yugoslav air defense. But after all, it concerns not only unmanned aircraft!

                  One of the arguments of NATO propaganda was that the Yugoslavs could not present the wreckage of the downed planes. But the Allied aviation operated at an altitude of 15 km and above. Yugoslavia is a small country, and the wreckage of wrecked cars from such a height fell either in the territory of neighboring countries, allied with NATO, or in the Adriatic Sea. However, the Yugoslavs nevertheless demonstrated the remnants of several NATO aircraft, and there was one "invisibility" among them.

                  after the end of hostilities, western military experts recognized that the losses of the Yugoslav army were minimal. For example, in Kosovo, NATO found the remains of a large number of dummies and wooden mock-ups of tanks, armored personnel carriers, and guns that were damaged during air strikes. It turns out that, spending a large amount of precision weapons (and only the Americans war against Yugoslavia cost half a billion dollars a day), NATO hit wooden and inflatable dummies of military equipment that cost almost nothing to the Yugoslavs. The only thing the Americans and their satellites have succeeded in is striking cities, bridges, power plants, etc.

                  Little Yugoslavia has shown the world that even the colossal military machine of NATO and the USA can be successfully resisted. And the West showed that in matters of propaganda and psychological warfare, he worthily continues the work of Dr. Goebbels. This must be remembered when we now hear the victorious reports of the Americans about the "bloodless victory" in Afghanistan.

                  The only thing that’s bad is the same Americans And others like them believed that they, since the time of "Desert Storm", gain only easy and bloodless victories. But everyone who knows the latest history well will remember that the last indisputable military victory of the Americans was achieved with their allies in the anti-Hitler coalition. Then there were either defeats (Korea, Vietnam, Cuba and many “hot spots” of the third world), or Pyrrhic victory (the Middle East, Afghanistan, Iraq, the Balkans). But America is convinced that she only did what she won. And it seems that the Americans will have to pay very dearly for this illusion.
                  1. ballian
                    ballian 22 September 2011 18: 30 New
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                    Quote: Vadivak
                    at the very beginning of the war, British Secretary of Defense Robertson recognized the loss in the sky of Yugoslavia of three English Tornado fighter-bombers,

                    The link - to the studio - was already fed up with the propagandists, the bugs.
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                    1. ballian
                      ballian 22 September 2011 19: 14 New
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                      Minus - link - here - alive - already tired of the lies of the liar-pozreotov
                      Just once more - you’ll type the “List of aviation losses of the parties during the NATO war against Yugoslavia (1999)
                      and following the links, filter shit
                      1. alexng 15 February 2012 00: 33 New
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                        Here is the link http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/archive/index.php/t-757.html

                        and here is the text itself

                        Brahman
                        23.09.2001, 04: 12
                        Of course, the real figures are hardly known, on the part of Yugoslavia it is a propaganda, on the part of NATO the suppression, of which I am sure, of real losses. I found a lot on the network and on this topic, but somehow I am distrustful of most sources.

                        Here are a couple of examples:
                        26.03.99 at 17.20 near the village of Donja Trnova, which at 15km southwest of Bijeljina Mig-21 was intercepted by the American F-15E, the pilot died.
                        06.04.99 to 23: 30 district of Vozdovac, Belgrade. Air combat between Mig-21 and American F-15, American shot down.
                        This is me in a dispute with Mr. F-15, I am interested in these facts confirmed: confused :? Personally, I can hardly believe it, but I want ......
                        But what interests me most is the information on the destroyed helicopters with landing on board, this is what I dug up:
                        27.03.99 around 3: 20 - area between Vrutak and Kremna, near Uzice - SFOR helicopter with 22 soldiers on board. After a short gunfight with the Yugoslav infantry unit, helicopter was destroyed by Strela-1M mobile SAM. No survivors.
                        28.03.99 - 3: 00 - near Bijeljina - SFOR helicopter HH-60 Pave Hawk with 12 soldiers on board. Only two crew members survived.
                        31.03.99 - 18: 00 - Rescue helicopter with 20 commandos on board.
                        31.03.99 - 22: 45 - NATO rescue helicopter CH-53 with 25 commandos. Helicopter shot down by Strela-2M portable SAM. No survivors.
                        01.04.99 - 1.00 - NATO (possibly SFOR) helicopter CH-53 Stallion with 25 crew members. Helicopter shot dwon by Strela-2M portable SAM. No survivors.
                        06.04.99 - 5: 00 - south of Fruska Gora - Two NATO rescue helicopters with soldiers on board.
                        06.04.99 - 11: 10 - Mt. Skopska Crna Gora - Two NATO SAR helicopters with 40 commandos on board. No survivors.
                        06.04.99 - after midnight - Yugoslav-Albanian border (Montenegro) - NATO helicopter with 20 soldiers and one rescued pilot on board. No survivors.
                        10.04.99 - 2: 00 - Batajnica - NATO rescue helicopter shot down ad crashed into Danube.
                        19.04.99 - 23: 30 Mt .-- Veliki Jastrebac NATO helicopter with rescue troops.
                        20.04.99 - 23: 30 - Mt. Jastrebac - Rescue helicopter.
                        22.04.99 - 0: 43 - Orlovaca - Rescue helicopter.
                        22.04.99 - 1: 20 - Lipovica, near Belgrade - Rescue helicopter. Crew killed, helicopter captured.
                        23.04.99 - 4: 40 - Lipovica, near Belgrade - Rescue helicopter
                        25.04.99 - Kosovo - One AH-64 Apache captured by Yugoslav army troops !!!!!!!!!!!!: confused :: confused: ??
                        27.04.99 - 22: 45 - Pristina - AH-64 Apache helicopter !!!!!!!!: confused :: confused:
                        02.05.99 - around 4: 00 - village Nakucani - Two NATO helicopters with rescue troops.
                        05.05.99 - morning - 75 km northeast of Tirana AH-64 Apache. Pilot and gunner killed. NATO's classified report cited a SAM hit as a possible reason for the crash.
                        13.05.99 - around 5: 00 - Rakovica, near Belgrade - Rescue helicopter captured. 17 soldiers killed, 3 captured.
                        18.05.99 - Zvornik - Rescue helicopter.

                        And here's another:
                        07.04.99 - before midnight - near Novi Sad - Belgian F-16B. 42 year old pilot and 28 years old female: confused :: confused: co-pilot captured. Plane was shot down by Aleksandar Sunjka with 20mm AAA.
                        They have that "women" fly: confused: ??
                    2. Silvergraph
                      Silvergraph 30 September 2011 16: 12 New
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                      http://forums.airbase.ru/2000/04/t13717--ob-itogakh-voennoj-operatsii-nato-proti
                      v-yugoslavii-akn.9560.html
                  2. ballian
                    ballian 22 September 2011 18: 43 New
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                    Quote: Vadivak
                    However, the remains of several NATO aircraft, the Yugoslavs still demonstrated

                    Well, yes - demonstrated - "a few two airplanes" :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
                  3. ballian
                    ballian 22 September 2011 19: 23 New
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                    Quote: Vadivak
                    Little Yugoslavia has shown the world that even the colossal military machine of NATO and the USA can be successfully resisted.

                    :) ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))). )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

                    )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

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                    1. ballian
                      ballian 23 September 2011 06: 55 New
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                      By the way, all the downed MiG - 29 crashed on the territory of Serbia - this is "so the Allied aviation acted at an altitude of 15 km" and supposedly "could not" fall "in Serbia - even if they elementarily learned to filter the lobood of kitchen strategists.
                    2. ballian
                      ballian 23 September 2011 07: 00 New
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                      By the way, all the downed MiG - 29 crashed on the territory of Serbia - this is "so the Allied aviation acted at an altitude of 15 km" and supposedly could not "fall" in Serbia (too) - at least they would have elementarily learned to filter the lobood of kitchen strategists.
                    3. ballian
                      ballian 23 September 2011 07: 00 New
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                      By the way, all the downed MiG - 29 crashed on the territory of Serbia - this is "so the Allied aviation acted at an altitude of 15 km" and supposedly could not "fall" in Serbia (too) - at least they would have elementarily learned to filter the lobood of kitchen strategists.
                    4. ballian
                      ballian 23 September 2011 07: 00 New
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                      By the way, all the downed MiG - 29 crashed on the territory of Serbia - this is "so the Allied aviation acted at an altitude of 15 km" and supposedly could not "fall" in Serbia (too) - at least they would have elementarily learned to filter the lobood of kitchen strategists.
                2. Vadivak 22 September 2011 14: 38 New
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                  when the kids on the stealth jumped are not fragments? and F-16 Lieutenant Colonel Goldfein? He who has eyes will see
                3. Anatoly
                  Anatoly 5 November 2011 14: 55 New
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                  They accused Georgia much later. http://rutube.ru/tracks/961470.html?v=3c2e324bde7ad6aacda850a8ad265970 - a very fun link to CNN news release
                  The propaganda machine of the West works better than ours.
              2. Jaguar
                Jaguar 22 September 2011 15: 38 New
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                Is it better for the West that the F-117 was shot down by an ancient air defense system, and not by a modern fighter? do not make me laugh
                1. ballian
                  ballian 22 September 2011 18: 26 New
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                  Come on - dream - and collect garbage on the Internet :)))))))))))))))
                  U-2 shot down precisely by the fact that shot down (and not at all by Soviet fighters)
                  1. Sanzyro
                    Sanzyro 22 September 2011 19: 33 New
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                    Funny trollok, however ... I look, you collect all the information only on the Internet! Well done! Keep it up! You have found a very reliable source of information! repeat
                    1. ballian
                      ballian 22 September 2011 19: 57 New
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                      Vadivak in your CIA secret materials scoop info? :))))))))
                      Do you have something in your suitcases? For more than 1999 years, the air war in Serbia has been frayed for more than 10 years - and the outcome of the disputes lies on Wikipedia - follow the links - there are alternative opinions there, but you can also find out what they are based on.
                      1. Snake831 1 December 2011 20: 52 New
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                        AAAAAAAAAAAAAXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                        Wikipedia! PPC! Aren't you P_R_I_D_U_R_O_K by chance?
                      2. Insurgent
                        Insurgent 24 December 2011 14: 01 New
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                        At least you believe that you write yourself that you wrote to compare little Serbia and NATO countries where 1000 planes all control if you compare 6 blinks 29 and 6 f-15 with equal training of pilots and equipment
                    2. Anatoly
                      Anatoly 5 November 2011 14: 58 New
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                      His stubbornness or stupidity can be envied. It seems as if he was participating there.
                      Wikipedia Troll!
                  2. sancho 22 September 2011 22: 17 New
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                    Come to us with your pindostan .... you look at how our boots are flying, and how we will beat you with axes. without clan and tribe .... Only you can do everything from the subtype. Your whole nation is obese moral .... well then you know yourself!

                    Comrades do not respond to pindosovskie_ Pindosovsky. Negative! Ah, moderators, remove this evil from the site!
                    1. ballian
                      ballian 23 September 2011 07: 03 New
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                      I already know that on the Internet "beat Pindos" is a favorite pastime here - try to say that you won’t take them with one ax - Internet warriors are starting to get hysterical. :)))))))))))
                    2. ballian
                      ballian 23 September 2011 07: 04 New
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                      I already know that on the Internet "beat Pindos" is a favorite pastime here - try to say that you won’t take them with one ax - Internet warriors are starting to get hysterical.
                    3. ballian
                      ballian 23 September 2011 07: 08 New
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                      I already know that on the Internet "beat Pindos" is a favorite pastime here - try to say that you won’t take them with one ax - Internet warriors are starting to get hysterical.
                      Quote: mitrich
                      4 ++. Deep modernization of the Su-27. With F-15 / 16 / 18, the French “Rafal” and “Mirage” will figure it out once or twice, with the “Raptor” and “Eurofighter” it is more difficult

                      Quote: mitrich
                      4 ++. Deep modernization of the Su-27. With F-15 / 16 / 18, the French “Rafal” and “Mirage” will figure it out once or twice, with the “Raptor” and “Eurofighter” it is more difficult

                      Quote: mitrich
                      Eurofighter is harder

                      mitrich,
                      Quote: mitrich
                      4 ++. Deep modernization of the Su-27. With F-15 / 16 / 18, the French “Rafal” and “Mirage” will figure it out once or twice, with the “Raptor” and “Eurofighter” it’s more difficult, most likely they’ll knock down,

                      Quote: mitrich
                      4 ++. Deep modernization of the Su-27. With F-15 / 16 / 18, the French “Rafal” and “Mirage” will figure it out once or twice, with the “Raptor” and “Eurofighter” it’s more difficult, most likely they’ll knock down,
              3. saratt
                saratt 18 December 2011 21: 02 New
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                But did Georgia invade the territory of the Russian Federation? I know the opposite. And if Russia entered the territory of Georgia, then Russia is the aggressor and the Western press is 100% right
                1. Black Colonel 5 June 2012 19: 01 New
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                  It’s a pity that she didn’t put all of Georgia with cancer. And civilians, in principle, were expecting the arrival of the Russian Army, apparently even surprised that they did not see Russian tanks somewhere near the Georgian-Turkish border.
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                  Quote: saratt
                  But did Georgia invade the territory of the Russian Federation? I know the opposite. And if Russia entered the territory of Georgia, then Russia is the aggressor and the Western press is 100% right


                  Your logic is no different (or even worse) than the logic of the child. Let me remind you that Russia entered Georgia later after Georgian troops attacked South Ossetia. Russian peacekeepers were sent to liberate. They coped with the task, freeing up the territory (as well as breaking through behind enemy lines) in 3-4 days. Alas, learn history.
            3. Esso 22 September 2011 20: 46 New
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              In total, the 3 F-117 suffered in that war. One was shot down by the S-125 air defense missile system. The second was shot down by the Serbian Mig-29, the stealth pilot reached the territory not controlled by the Yugoslav army and then ejected. The third F-117A Also, the instant-29 was hit, but the pilot reached the NATO base.
              1. ballian
                ballian 23 September 2011 07: 58 New
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                Quote: Esso
                In total, the 3 F-117 suffered in that war. One was shot down by the S-125 air defense missile system. The second was shot down by the Serbian Mig-29, the stealth pilot reached the territory not controlled by the Yugoslav army and then ejected. The third F-117A Also, the instant-29 was hit, but the pilot reached the NATO base.

                Are you so "informed"? Do you have confidential sources in NATO? :))))
                1. alexng 15 February 2012 00: 45 New
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                  What are you arguing with him? You are more right than all right-wingers, because you have Wikipedia, and this is a very reliable and very powerful source of information.
            4. KASKAD
              KASKAD 23 September 2011 17: 17 New
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              Yes, in fact, the F117 was shot down by the S-125 Cube, so your article about the fact that the F117 was shot down by Mig is a fairy tale and has nothing to do with reality.
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              KASKAD 23 September 2011 17: 22 New
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              Yes, in fact, the F117 was shot down by the S-125 Cube, so your article about the fact that the F117 was shot down by Mig is a fairy tale and has nothing to do with reality.
            6. KASKAD
              KASKAD 23 September 2011 17: 22 New
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              Yes, in fact, the F117 was shot down by the S-125 Cube, so your article about the fact that the F117 was shot down by Mig is a fairy tale and has nothing to do with reality.
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            F-117 was shot down not during an air battle, but with the S-125 "Pechora" complex of Yugoslav air defense.
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          Not the channels you watch, however. "Stells" where they just did not show.
        4. Vadivak 22 September 2011 22: 44 New
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          As I understand it, excerpts from sources do not convince you, therefore, I advise you to visit the Air Force Museum in Belgrade, there are debris and a whole cabin of a stealth, I think this is worth stopping, the argument goes beyond the discussion
          1. ballian
            ballian 23 September 2011 07: 48 New
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            Emae - yes, I wrote somewhere here that the "stealth" was not shot down ?? You are not reading the "sources" - but retelling of extremely biased people.
            1. Vadivak 23 September 2011 08: 27 New
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              Your post at 08:55

              And nobody saw the wreckage of American aircraft.
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                ballian 23 September 2011 13: 57 New
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                Right - except for two no one saw - the rest is speculation. By the way, are you aware that the Georgian army announced that it shot down in August 2008 - 19 of our aircraft? With the same success, everyone here should announce that Russia is underestimating its losses and that the real Russian air force is completely sucks - note this I did not say.
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                  according to the peacekeepers, the pilot of the su-25 catapulted when our drying hit him in the tail
                2. Anatoly
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                  http://rutube.ru/tracks/961470.html?v=3c2e324bde7ad6aacda850a8ad265970
            2. KASKAD
              KASKAD 23 September 2011 17: 30 New
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              There were actually no pilots' losses, but at least 2 F16 patrols were shot down by an air defense battery under the command of a colonel of the Serbian army, but the pilots survived and as far as I know one of them was definitely returned home, unfortunately I did not see any information about the second.
        5. kostya
          kostya 25 September 2011 22: 37 New
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          In the sense ? 6 Mig - 29 shot down in 1999 by the American F - 15 and F - 16 - this is a reality (they were not shot down by aliens) And nobody saw the wreckage of American aircraft


          But the fact that in Yugoslavia the vaunted invisible F-117s shot down Soviet air defense systems of the 70s, didn’t you see this? Our equipment is the best in the world!
        6. Anatoly
          Anatoly 5 November 2011 14: 49 New
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          Wikipedia boy read ...
    2. PSih2097 22 September 2011 08: 45 New
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      It was not difficult to do with the Avax behind.
    3. panzersoldat
      panzersoldat 22 September 2011 10: 31 New
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      And you compare the quality of training of Yugoslav and American pilots.
      1. ballian
        ballian 22 September 2011 11: 41 New
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        Of course, not much less depends on the pilot than on the aircraft. Therefore, the performance characteristics of the aircraft are not absolute, the pilot is the same part of the combat system. However, only one of the F - 15 and F - 16 was shot down in aerial combat (French Mirage - 2000 (and this is probably because I did not expect an attack), and they, in turn, shot down about one and a half hundred aircraft (albeit mostly old ones) - the pattern is visible to the naked eye
        1. Vadivak 22 September 2011 12: 06 New
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          What is this movie?
        2. Insurgent
          Insurgent 24 December 2011 14: 04 New
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          Amer initially denied that Inan had their drone planted, then they showed it on TV, then Amers sat in a puddle
    4. LESHA pancake
      LESHA pancake 26 September 2011 16: 11 New
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      WELL YET YANKS AND PRIVATE YOUR PLANE AND YOU ARE NATURALLY AT THEIR SIDE.
    5. LESHA pancake
      LESHA pancake 26 September 2011 16: 12 New
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      WELL YET YANKS AND PRIVATE YOUR PLANE AND YOU ARE NATURALLY AT THEIR SIDE.
    6. LESHA pancake
      LESHA pancake 26 September 2011 16: 13 New
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      WELL YET YANKS AND PRIVATE YOUR PLANE AND YOU ARE NATURALLY AT THEIR SIDE.
    7. LESHA pancake
      LESHA pancake 26 September 2011 16: 14 New
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      WELL YET YANKS AND PRIVATE YOUR PLANE AND YOU ARE NATURALLY AT THEIR SIDE.
    8. LESHA pancake
      LESHA pancake 26 September 2011 16: 15 New
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      WELL YET YANKS AND PRIVATE YOUR PLANE AND YOU ARE NATURALLY AT THEIR SIDE.
    9. Snake831 7 December 2011 13: 37 New
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      Damn! Again this goat
      ballian !!!!! Got it already!
  2. mitrich
    mitrich 22 September 2011 10: 19 New
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    4 ++. Deep modernization of the Su-27. With F-15/16/18, the French “Rafal” and “Mirage” will figure it out once or twice, with the “Raptor” and “Eurofighter” it is more difficult, most likely they will be shot down, everything will depend on the experience and qualification of the pilot in a specific air battle. Given the low cost, a successful response of the Russian "defense" to NATO products. If the declared deliveries to the troops are made (I read about 150 cars), it will be great.
    And I advise BALLIANA not to read at all. Still doesn’t understand anything. They used to say about such people: "cringing before the West."
    VADIVAKu plus sign for interesting excerpts in the commentary.
    1. svvaulsh
      svvaulsh 22 September 2011 19: 15 New
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      And what is actually "eurofighter" better than "rafal"?
    2. karnics
      karnics 22 September 2011 20: 33 New
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      I don’t know how with the raptor, which some American experts consider weaker than the latest F-16 modernization, but Eurofighter is inferior to MiG 35 in almost all respects ...

      Do not forget about the PFAC being developed
      1. Jaguar
        Jaguar 22 September 2011 22: 50 New
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        What are the characteristics of Eurofighter inferior?
        1. Snake831 1 December 2011 20: 58 New
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          Speed, maneuverability, airframe durability, gas dynamics of engines! And with Su there’s no point in comparing! Old this Eurofighter!
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            1. Black Colonel 5 June 2012 19: 11 New
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              Yeah, in Korea did you shoot down B-29s and F-86s with pans? And B-52 and F-4 in Vietnam generally threw teapots. What then is this technique that you can throw cheap dishes on the ground? wassat
    3. Vadivak 22 September 2011 23: 03 New
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      Thank you Paul for your rating.
    4. ballian
      ballian 23 September 2011 06: 52 New
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      Quote: mitrich
      4 ++. Deep modernization of the Su-27. With F-15 / 16 / 18, French "Rafal" and "Mirage" will figure it out one-two

      Mitrich said when he saw two pluses on Wikipedia :)))))))))))))
    5. ballian
      ballian 23 September 2011 07: 09 New
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      mitrich Yesterday, 10: 19
      4 ++. Deep modernization of the Su-27. With F-15 / 16 / 18, the French “Rafal” and “Mirage” will figure it out once or twice, with the “Raptor” and “Eurofighter” it’s more difficult,
      _________________________
      Mitrich said when he saw Wikipedia two pluses :))))))))) If you are not an expert - what can you understand?
      1. mitrich
        mitrich 23 September 2011 08: 15 New
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        ballian,
        and besides Wikipedia, are you reading anything else? And in general, how old are you, sir smile ? Correct question, mind you.
        1. Smirnov Vadim 23 September 2011 08: 32 New
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          I also wonder how old and where such peppers are taught ...
          1. ballian
            ballian 23 September 2011 09: 39 New
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            And this question is why?
            Here you post an article about the war in South Ossetia, and throw a comment that they say the Russians are lying, in fact the Georgians said that they shot down 19 planes - and look at the result here - I understand what’s the point? :)))
            The fact that everything is decided in the war and not in the fantasies of theorists is a commonplace - just remember the 41 year - no one could have expected such a result (including in heaven)
            The same Israeli Air Force shot down Arab (Soviet) planes on an industrial scale - this is not for you to compare planes.
            1. Smirnov Vadim 23 September 2011 09: 44 New
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              Just curious. You're not a girl, you can easily tell your age and where else you studied.
              1. svvaulsh
                svvaulsh 23 September 2011 11: 45 New
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                But I'm curious when they will block these types? At least three Russophobes on the forum should be removed.
                1. Smirnov Vadim 23 September 2011 11: 54 New
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                  Well, this is also not fair - for the opinion to block.

                  For insults, mate - we make it impossible to comment for a certain period of time, if a person does not understand - then indefinitely.

                  In general, make a forum thread and discuss what to do with such commentators.
                2. ballian
                  ballian 23 September 2011 11: 54 New
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                  From the taiga to the British seas, the Russian army is all the strongest! :))))))))))))))
                  1. Smirnov Vadim 23 September 2011 12: 00 New
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                    Oh how sang - a werewolf ... wink
              2. ballian
                ballian 23 September 2011 12: 41 New
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                Do you know my nickname, the city where I live and still ask? :)
            2. Insurgent
              Insurgent 24 December 2011 14: 09 New
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              Well, the Israelis themselves like to exaggerate the American embassy in Israel said that Israel lost 154 Merkava tanks during the Lebanese war, they themselves say that only 34
      2. Snake831 1 December 2011 21: 27 New
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        And you’re a specialist in the campaign! B_A_R_A_N!
      3. protopop avvakum
        protopop avvakum 24 February 2012 22: 09 New
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        Ballyan I offer a link to the conclusion of the Australian defense mine which says that they refuse the F-35 due to poor performance in comparison with Su aircraft http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-NOTAM-081109-1.html
        Is the JSF Really a Fifth Generation Fighter?
        Modern Fighters Current Threat
        5th Generation Fighter Capabilities F-22A Raptor T-50 PAK-FA J-12 / J-XX F-35 JSF
        Lightning II Gen 4 ++
        Su-35s
        USA Russia China International Russia
        Super cruise yes
        > 1.7 Mach
        (0) 2.0 Mach Design Target
        (+1) Yes
        (0) No
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        High Agility Supersonic /
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        (0) Extreme Agility
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        (0) Neither
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        (0) Yes
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        2-D
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        3-D
        (+ 1)
        Highly Integrated Avionics Yes
        (0) Yes
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        Electronically Steered Array (ESA) Radar High Power Aperture
        (+1) High Power Aperture
        (+1) Yes
        (0) Medium Power Aperture
        (0) High Power Aperture
        (+ 1)
        Sidelooking ESA Apertures Fitted For But Not With (FFBNW)
        (0) Yes
        (+1) Unknown No
        (-1) Yes
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        High Situational Awareness (SA) -
        Onboard / Offboard Yes
        (0) Yes
        (0) Likely Yes
        (0) Yes
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        Supersonic Weapons Delivery Yes
        (0) Yes
        (0) Yes
        (0) No
        (Bomber Doors)
        (-1 Yes
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        Large Thrust to Weight
        Multi engine
        Thrust growth yes
        2 Engines
        Large growth
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        2 Engines
        Large growth
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        2 Engines
        Large growth
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        One engine
        Little growth
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        2 Engines
        Large growth
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        High combat ceiling
        (> 7 deg / sec turn rate, sustained) Yes
        > 55 kft
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        (0) No
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        (-1) Yes
        > 55 kft
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        Very Low Observable Stealth /
        Low Observables All Aspect, Wideband
        (+1) All Aspect, Wideband Design
        Target
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        (0) Yes but Partial
        (0) No
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        Large Internal Fuel Load
        lbs Yes
        > 18 klbs
        (0) Yes
        > 20 klbs
        (0) Unknown Yes
        > 18 klbs
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        > 25 klbs
        (+ 1)
        Internal Weapon Carriage Hard Point Stations Yes
        6 + 2
        (0) Yes
        8-10
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        Nos. Unknown
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        4
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        (Tunnel Pod)
        2-4
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        ZOCT Scoring
        by 5th Gen Metrics +2 +5 0 -8 +2
        Table © 2009, Peter Goon, Air Power Australia, Peter Goon & Associates.




        Air Power Australia Website - http://www.ausairpower.net/
        Air Power Australia Research and Analysis - http://www.ausairpower.net/research.html
    6. ballian
      ballian 23 September 2011 07: 11 New
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      mitrich Yesterday, 10: 19
      4 ++. Deep modernization of the Su-27. With F-15 / 16 / 18, the French “Rafal” and “Mirage” will figure it out once or twice, with the “Raptor” and “Eurofighter” it’s more difficult,
      _________________________
      Mitrich said when he saw Wikipedia two pluses :))))))))) If you are not an expert - what can you understand?
    7. Insurgent
      Insurgent 24 December 2011 14: 07 New
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      Well, with f-15, and f16 and the moment 29 and su 27 will figure it out for this they were created
  3. panzersoldat
    panzersoldat 22 September 2011 10: 22 New
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    I don’t know why no one is talking about the SU-37.
    1. Jaguar
      Jaguar 22 September 2011 11: 37 New
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      and the Su-37 is better than the Su-35S?
      1. PLO
        PLO 22 September 2011 15: 08 New
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        on the su-35, the engines deviate only in one vertical plane, and on the su-37 a change in the vector is possible by an angle of up to ± 16 ° in the vertical plane and up to ± 15 in any direction
        1. Jaguar
          Jaguar 22 September 2011 16: 05 New
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          so AL-41F1S is even better, all-angle control of the thrust vector ± 16 ° in any direction and ± 20 ° in the plane.
          1. PLO
            PLO 22 September 2011 16: 35 New
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            hmm .. for sure) I forgot about 117s
    2. jamert
      jamert 22 September 2011 12: 23 New
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      Probably because it crashed.
      1. PLO
        PLO 22 September 2011 15: 09 New
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        On December 19, 2002, the news agency reported that the Su-35 had an accident 80 km from the Ramenskoye airfield. Test pilot Yuri Vashchuk safely ejected. [6]

        However, later the NEWSru.com news agency reported that a Su-37 aircraft with tail number 711 was lost. [7] This information contradicts the information provided by the head of the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Colonel Nikolai Deryabin, who indicated the loss of the Su-35. [8]

        The mess in the messages may have been caused by the fact that the Su-37 is a modification of the Su-35. And since at the time of the accident the engines from the UHT were removed from the Su-37, which are the main difference between the modification and the base model (replaced with the serial AL-31F), according to some experts, it was the Su-35.
  4. Aleksys2 22 September 2011 10: 52 New
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    From November 19-24, 2005, a joint Indian-American Air Force exercise was held in India. An informed source in the field of military-technical cooperation with foreign countries in an interview with AviaPort.Ru correspondent commented on some of the results of the joint exercises of the air forces of the two countries.
    From the Indian side, the Su-30MKI fighters, upgraded MiG-21bis with the on-board radar "Spear-21", MiG-27, MiG-29, Jaguar and Mirage, participated in the exercises. From the United States, an AWACS early warning and control aircraft participated. The so-called first wave of exercises was attended by F-16C light fighters with equipment of block 50 with the modified "68" radar, and in the second wave, F-15 heavy fighters took part.
    Fighters F-16C block 50 are one of the most advanced fighters of the US Air Force with passive radar. Only fighters of the latest modification F-16 block 60 are equipped with an active radar antenna array.
    These exercises were the third in a row. In the previous two, the American side, by putting heavy F-15 fighters against the MiG-21bis, modernized in India using Russian technologies, and the Su-30MKI, whose delivery began in the Indian Air Force, completely lost all battles, and sometimes the loss ratio reached 8: 1 and 9: 1 in favor of Indian pilots. Russian Su-30MKI showed overwhelming superiority over the F-15, both in terms of maneuverability and combat effectiveness. The effect of the exploding bomb for the Americans was the use of light modernized MiG-21bis fighters with the Spear-21 airborne radar station in training battles - these fighters, possessing a small EPR, actually "fought" against modern F-15s and won against them. Both Russian and American aviation experts noted the extremely high level of professional flight training of the flight personnel of the combat units of the Indian Air Force. In many parts of the Indian Air Force, the annual flying time of flight personnel is up to 300 hours (in the USA - 250 hours, in Russia - 30-40 hours).
    According to the results of a recent exercise, the Americans noted two factors - battles with the Su-30MKI and the upgraded MiG-21bis Bizon. Moreover, the MiG-21bis "Bison" participated both in air battles and in military operations against ground targets.
    As previously reported, Indian Su-30MKI fighters won the majority of air battles with light F-16C fighters. MiG-21bis "Bison" as a whole also showed themselves well. In total, several MiG-21 fighters from various flight combat units of the Indian Air Force took part in the exercises.
    MiG-21bis "Bison" found the F-16 at a distance of 60 km, which corresponds to its declared characteristics. F-16 fighters found the MiG-21bis Bizon at approximately the same distance - the F-16 is slightly more powerful than radar, but the EPR of the MiG-21bis Bizon is smaller than that of the F-16.
    The Americans did a good job of analyzing previous air battles with the MiG-21bis Bizon and made certain conclusions - they increased the launch zone (range) of the air-to-air missile defense. However, an increase in the launch area of ​​the UR by F-16 fighters was given only by reducing the likelihood of hitting the target.
    When operating on ground targets, Indian pilots on the MiG-21bis "Bison" simply amazingly bombarded ground targets with free-falling bombs - when a bomb was dropped from a distance of 1,5 km from a ground target, its deviation from the target was practically "zero". The Indian side noted that the assault operations of the MiG-21bis "Bison" by air bombs are carried out on this fighter "excellent".
    While there is no reliable information on the actions and results of the hostilities of the American side, they will appear later. American participants in the exercises say the ratio of the effectiveness of air battles in the ratio of 50:50, that is, even with AWACS, the Americans believe that the absence of the overwhelming superiority of Indian pilots in Russian fighters is a success.
    More details here: http://www.airwar.ru/history/locwar/xussr/su_fight/su_fight.html
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      "At the request of India, the Americans agreed to simulate a battle with superiority of no more than 3: 1 and without the use of medium-range launch missiles AIM-120 (AMRAAM)."
  5. Zhylan
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    Please explain why the Su-35 (multi-functional fighter interceptor) is compared with the F-35 (front-line fighter bomber)? This is a different plan of the machine created for different purposes. Their comparison is not correct! How can one compare air conquest aircraft with front-line aircraft? Su-35 should be compared with F-22, F-15 and F-35 and F-16 with MiG-29 (35).
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      MiGs are not in the subject! They are lightweights!
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    not quite on the topic of the article, but from the aforementioned: since the times of the USSR, fighters had odd numbers, and bombers and attack aircraft were even (Il-2), so why is the Su-25 attack aircraft an odd number ??
  7. Civil 22 September 2011 11: 56 New
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    to reach 2015, to be in time
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    Comparing an airplane with an airplane is not a thankful task. It is necessary to compare pilots, radar detection and guidance systems and aircraft in the complex (interestingly, these models took into account all or not). If Sushki will be induced from the ground, and their Pindos from Avax, then I think our chances will be in the same proportion only the other way around. There are many examples of Syria, Iraq, Yugoslavia, when our not-so-old equipment was beaten both on the ground and in the air precisely because of the control and intelligence systems and their competent control of them
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      or if American planes will fly with only bombs, and they will be waiting for planes with only B-B missiles
  9. Bogatir
    Bogatir 22 September 2011 12: 25 New
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    "Confrontation, Su-35 against ... - Poghosyan"
    I will write a small story-statement
    The Su-35 project is in limbo due to the small possible purchase of this type of aircraft of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. With such an amount - it will not pay back the money spent on it. The option to recoup the Su-35 by attracting Libya, Brazil and China has failed. Moreover, the entire production of the Su-35 in a series will require more funding from the budget.
    Sukhoi Design Bureau with Commander-in-Chief Poghosyan has little interest in the Su-35 project, it is made clear that for Poghosyan it is not the profit result that is important as the result of the production of the series. It has long been of greater interest - financing to create a new type of aircraft. In this scheme, the Su-35 is again lost, since it is of little interest for the development of design tools. Now much more interesting for Poghosyan is the development of many billions of dollars from India and the Russian Federation to create a new aircraft of the same class - PAK FA.
    What is the Su-35? But nothing - now there will be (and are) controversial bids with the Moscow Region about financing the production program, and the Moscow Region has recently abandoned this practice. In addition, there is nowhere to produce the Su-35; the KnAPO assembly site is fully loaded with the production of the Pogosyanovsky “cuckoo” Superjet, so far with a very poor result and lack of capacity. Poghosyan modestly declares that he cannot allocate more than one assembly line for the Su-35.
    So to the result of the screwdriver assembly of the American-French Superjet - you can add another potential victim of the American plan to destroy the Russian aircraft industry - the Su-35.
    1. Gurza 22 September 2011 14: 26 New
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      nowhere to produce Su-35

      I personally know a guy who works at the SU-35 factory and says they produce 6-10 machines in half a year, he works as an electrician, and his sister is a laboratory assistant, works with acids, processes metal with them, I don’t know how
  10. Max
    Max 22 September 2011 15: 26 New
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    Great plane, drying always pleased! As for the Yugoslav Mig-29, one should not forget that these fighters did not modernize there since the collapse of the union, and also the pilots did not have the proper flight hours. The whole country was covered with a cap of interference, and the sky was teeming with NATO sharks. And if my memory serves me, the Yugoslavs still managed to knock out one fighter. In general, those battles are not indicative in view of the above. Mig-29 remains one of the most unique aircraft in the world aviation in the first turn due to the brilliant avionics of the aircraft. And when you consider that the cockpit is now filled with 1+ and 4th generation equipment and the weapons have been suspended for 5 centuries, this aircraft can make a rustle in any sky of any country.
    1. ballian
      ballian 23 September 2011 07: 41 New
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      Quote: max
      The whole country was covered with a cap of interference, and the sky was teeming with NATO sharks. And if my memory serves me, the Yugoslavs still managed to knock out one fighter.

      Indeed, a real war is distinguished by the fact that two aircraft are fighting there and not a plane against a plane. where did you get that they won’t interfere with you “on an industrial scale” - this is the most important part of the air war, as well as counteraction to interferences.
      And our pilots are now in the mass in your opinion better than the Yugoslav? Do you have reason to think so?
      How many of these “fancy” planes will be compared to the “hacked” and compared to the enemy air force?
      Therefore, there is nothing to be touched by PR tales of supposedly TTH aircraft.
      PS Taki changed your memory - they didn’t.
      1. Tolia
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        During the Desert Storm, when the Americans turned on the electronic warfare at the BSF of the USSR, radio networks were suppressed ...
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    Modifications of the SU are made by all modern fighters of the world with whom training battles were held.
    http://www.airwar.ru/history/locwar/xussr/su_fight/su_fight.html
    http://www.aviationtoday.ru/news10903.html
    http://topwar.ru/2910-preimushhestvo-istrebitelej-suxogo-priznayut-za-rubezhom.h
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  12. - = 999 = -
    - = 999 = - 22 September 2011 21: 29 New
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    "BILAN" CROWDED TO THAT WET NORA FROM WHICH YOU CAME OUT. AND GENERALLY WITH SUCH OPINION OF WILL IN YOUR LIGHT WESTERN FUTURE WHERE SUCH WORKS WITHOUT A CONSCIOUS VERY NECESSARY.
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      svvaulsh 23 September 2011 16: 48 New
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      He didn’t cut about the hole. And that would have answered a long time ago. wink
      1. ballian
        ballian 23 September 2011 16: 59 New
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        Answer what? When they see a bunch of shit bypass it.
  13. serezhafedotow
    serezhafedotow 22 September 2011 23: 02 New
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    Quote: Bogatir
    You can add another potential victim of the American plan to destroy the Russian aviation industry - the Su-35.

    But the Ukrainian aviation industry ,, blossoms ,, and ,, smells ,,!
  14. t-95
    t-95 23 September 2011 04: 33 New
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    A little off topic, and yet. Recently I was at the Nizhny Tagil exhibition, I was near the new T-90SM, a democrat and an adherent of everything western stood next to me, what I heard was simply shocking. So this specimen is standing and declares that the T-90CM is completely lapped from Abrams. I understand everything in the beginning of the 90s, illusions, the west will help us, there is paradise, and here there is a clack, etc. But after all these 20 years have shown that the West is a real aggressor, and they don’t need democracy here, they need our land, our natural wealth, in the end we are aborigines who are waged on beads. So gentlemen, admirers of everything western, no one is holding you, run, run, otherwise it will be too late.
    1. LESHA pancake
      LESHA pancake 23 September 2011 13: 58 New
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      IT'S HEAVY SMOKED AND RAVES IN TRANS.
  15. Ruslank
    Ruslank 23 September 2011 21: 45 New
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    ballian you still can’t argue with all these hysterical cheers of the patriots, for them our tanks are the fastest anyway, just like on the eve of the Great Patriotic War of 1941. The Sov. Union the red army was stronger than all ... Cannon meat was always enough and now judging by the tantrums there was no shortage will be. Anyone criticizing critically for these Pindos-patriots who consider themselves patriots. Although everyone is wearing Pindos jeans, but progress is not in the shoes of the factory ... Good luck ballian! With uv.Ruslank.
    1. kosmos84 23 September 2011 22: 10 New
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      BOTH ABOUT THE TAG BARRIK, TALK THESE NAMES TO LITTLE LITTLE IN BATTLE WE WILL REMAIN ON MOBILIZATION NEARBY TO KNOW WHOM TO WAIT SHOT IN THE BACK
      1. Black Colonel 5 June 2012 19: 26 New
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        And at the same time and forehead with greens to spread.
    2. Skarte
      Skarte 27 September 2011 10: 17 New
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      eeeeeeeee, my friend ... in Chinese, in Chinese ... our country has not been walking in America since the collapse of the USSR
    3. supertiger21 9 February 2014 15: 15 New
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      Quote: Ruslank
      all these hysterical cheers of patriots,


      There was no talk about this at all. The Ballian provoked half of the commentators with his statements. No one denies that only 6 MiG-29s were lost, but this comrade claims that American planes also had no losses)))
  16. kosmos84 23 September 2011 23: 01 New
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    WHO IS ON THE COURSE WHERE OUR PLANE WITH REVERSE SWAGGING OF THE WING AND HOW IT WAS NAMED
    1. t-95
      t-95 24 September 2011 09: 21 New
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      operating time on SU -37 Berkut, migrated to PAK FA
      1. Mujahiddin777 26 September 2011 15: 00 New
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        Su-37 "Terminator" if anything, Su-47 "Golden Eagle"!
    2. Snake831 1 December 2011 21: 23 New
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      Su-47 "Golden Eagle"
      Now a flying lab!
  17. t-95
    t-95 24 September 2011 09: 21 New
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    ruslank, you're right, and no one considers cheers a patriot, but there are facts, it was terrible 1941, but then it was May 1945, and we still occupy 1/6 of the land, and these are our ancestors for more than 1000 years created the largest state, and not for you woodpeckers to harass it, but about cannon fodder, so those who call themselves Democrats never tell the truth either by their losses, not by those whom they killed without wine, and recent wars are proof of this. And what about jeans, well, if because of jeans you can sell your mother, country, friends, then yes you are right again, good luck moral - removed swearing -.
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      Legioner 26 September 2011 20: 25 New
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      t-95 and you are right, but before 1945 we lost almost all the military power of the country (already several years before the war on the "military rails") due to cap-type assassination like "From the taiga to the British seas the stronger army" (only a miracle helped partially save her), and 30 MILLION of citizens of the USSR !!!
      PS Do not find that the history of 1941. threatens to happen again!
      1. Silvergraph
        Silvergraph 30 September 2011 16: 41 New
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        Not everything was so simple in the early days of 1941. I propose to watch the movie very much. http://www.zoomby.ru/watch/26310-pervye-chetyre-chasa
  18. Rustam 24 September 2011 15: 28 New
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    Guys why are you people with frenzy attacked and ????
    We discuss the SU-35S and you are awesome, d, the fifth column !!!! OR HUNTING WITCH WENT US
    ALSO SHOULD NOT BE DISCUSSED AT ONE ALS 28 MINUSES (SURVIVED TO BE CALLED)

    Regarding the SU-35, I WILL TELL YOUR OPINION — PROBLEMS WITH A PLANER ARE NOT MY ANXIETY THIS IS AN ELECTRONIC BEGINNING (I DO NOT APPLY TO THE RADAR THERE IS ALL OK) the question is being worked out, that is, try French systems

    PS-ON RE-EXPORT MIG-29SMT are navigation systems from SAGEM PILOTS IN HAPPY
  19. kosmos84 24 September 2011 18: 08 New
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    there is at least one pilot among us
  20. Motherland
    Motherland 25 September 2011 14: 01 New
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    ballian shame on a nation such as you betray your comrades and do not have a clue about honor and courage.
    1. Black Colonel 5 June 2012 19: 29 New
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      Yes, he has no comrades.
  21. Lexx 25 September 2011 19: 07 New
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    2ballian,
    And what does the MiG-29 have to do with it? Su-27,30,35 and MiG-29 are fighters of different classes. If the MiG is a light multi-purpose fighter, Sukhoi is a fighter for gaining superiority in the air, which was proved in the Ethiopian-Eritrean war of the late 90's, when the Ethiopian Su-27SK dropped several Eritrean MiG-29s without losses on their part.
  22. Mujahiddin777 26 September 2011 14: 58 New
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    It’s not just about the planes, about their classes ... pilot training also plays an important role ... For example, I don’t believe any American media, even any information that they say ... There were even articles about Libya. .. how they lie (Yankees) ... then also the ballian himself indicated that the MiG-29 was raised by a lieutenant colonel ... ran into a GROUP of enemy aircraft and was shot down ... And another ballian, the MiGs standing in the Yugoslav fleet of outdated modifications , but even so, they did their job with a bang! Good luck to all! I wish officers and all military personnel alive and healthy to return home! I wish the pilots that the take-offs are aligned with landings!
  23. DEfindER 27 September 2011 17: 36 New
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    In general, I was always surprised by those who lie in fables about the enormous superiority of NATO and US aviation over all the others .. In my opinion, the lies and duplicity of the West have long been known .. or someone else did not understand this ???

    Even if you follow the usual logic and not some kind of prejudice, the Serbs fought on their land, under the cover of air defense, even if numerical superiority was not on their side, but when it’s a lot easier to shoot down targets. I know that a lot of planes were destroyed by the same tomahawks at airfields, and there were literally a few in the air. And how can one even believe in the fables of the fact that the amers shot down our in relation to almost 30 to one? Yes, even if the Yugoslavs were flying in corn kernels but with some kind of rockets, the air was air, then at least 1 Nato plane would be shot down, at their own losses of 10 .. But it turns out if you believe the official data Migi went up into the air just to wait until they hit them. All these numbers are for those who believe in Hollywood films and especially how Rambo defeated the entire Soviet army.

    At the expense of not showing all the debris to the world, so you forgot that the country was informationally blocked, but you are sure that the Yugoslavs themselves saw on their local TV everything that really happened!
  24. Roman 75 3 October 2011 14: 42 New
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    Lord cheers patriots!
    Well, you do not believe "Pindos propaganda," for example.
    But I hope that there is no reason not to trust a person like As, a Russian volunteer, a hero of the wars in the former Yugoslavia?
    So, find the "Soldier of Fortune" No. 12 for 1999, and read his article.
    I quote from memory:
    "All the tales of the command of the Yugoslav army about the alleged dozens of downed NATO planes are fairy tales. For the entire time of the conflict, the wreckage of two downed planes was shown on TV ... And the rest, did everything fall into the Adriatic? ...
    Alas, I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the quote, but the meaning was just that ...
  25. bober
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    Yes, statistics is a stubborn thing. So the combat use of f-16 is 72-0 in favor of f-16. Moreover, it was used not only by Americans. Something everyone lies. Only in such articles they tell the truth)))))))))) ))))))))))))))))
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      Quote: bober
      is 72-0 in favor of f-16


      ))))))))))
      The F-15 has no air losses (and that is doubtful) .And F-16s were shot down 6-13 times by MiG-23, Mirage-2000, MiG-29 fighters. Moreover, the defeats from the 23rd and Mirage were confirmed, but from the MiG -29 no.
  26. KZ
    KZ 2 May 2012 15: 50 New
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    Krasava !!!
    Ehhhh, we would have such aircraft, but more !!!