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Islam Karimov steadily leads Uzbekistan from 1989. His venerable age actualizes the problem of continuity of power in the republic. Now, before the presidential election (March 2015 of the year), Karimov is trying to enlist the support of Moscow, but Washington also has its own views of Uzbekistan.

Electoral caution

Uzbekistan is in the midst of the next electoral cycle. The parliamentary elections (Oliy Majilis), and very soon the presidential elections, have recently come to an end. Keeping this in mind, Karimov prefers a cautious and prudent policy. Of course, he is not afraid of unknown nominees-holders from artificially created parties, the differences between which are not visible. But the planned re-election can interfere with both Moscow and, for example, Washington.

The “Washington Regional Committee” scenario is Maidan. Excuse: rent a military base. Americans have a couple of lured opposition figures who, from abroad in a sluggish format, support talk of a revolution in Uzbekistan.

Trade and economic contacts of Uzbekistan with Russia and Kazakhstan (constituting a single economic space in the EAU format) are of decisive importance for Tashkent. In addition, Moscow has much more leverage over Tashkent. The multimillion army of migrants alone, the “soldiers” of which politely hate Uzbek officials more than skinheads, is a lethal argument. For migrants, “love” with Karimov is mutual: in one of the interviews, he called them “lazy, dishonoring the country”. Imagine what will happen if Russia deports all these “illegal lazy people” before the elections back to Uzbekistan.

V. Putin’s last visit to Uzbekistan showed: Moscow is not going to use hard instruments of pressure on Tashkent. The only thing that could infuriate Russia is the deployment of the American military base in Uzbekistan. In this situation, Karimov is best to keep his mouth shut and not to tease Moscow with the anti-Eurasian rhetoric that he tried to do since the second half of last year.

Billion dollars in exchange for Maidan

And in the first Karimov strenuously polite with the US State Department. After a modest Kyrgyzstan loudly clicked on Washington's nose, refusing to renew the agreement on the Manas airbase, the United States began courting the Uzbek president. From a geopolitical point of view, Uzbekistan, bordering on all the states of the region, is the most convenient option to preserve the influence of Americans in Central Asia.

The visits of high-ranking officials to 2014 in Uzbekistan, including Deputy Secretary of State Burns, Commander of the US Central Command General Austin, leave no doubt - the talks were substantive. It was even called the price - 1 billion dollars, which includes the need to change the Uzbek legislation, according to which it is forbidden to place the bases of foreign troops on the territory of the republic.

In the fall, when American NKOS students spoke about the use of child labor in cotton harvesting in Uzbekistan, as well as a high index of corruption in the country, it finally became clear that the novel would not take place. On the eve of the elections to the Oliy Majilis and the presidential elections, Islam Karimov wisely chose not to anger Moscow.

The United States is dragging Uzbekistan into a geopolitical meat grinder, which is clearly contrary to the national interests of the republic. During the Andijan events of 2005, the Americans, by the way, have already tried to maydanize Uzbekistan. You do not need to be an oracle to understand: the entire infrastructure of the notorious soft power up to the paid NGOs and other fighters for “freedom and democracy” all over the world would have come to Uzbekistan for the American base.

My language is the enemy of Uzbekistan

Islam Karimov periodically scolds integration in the post-Soviet space, claiming Uzbekistan’s categorical unwillingness to participate in it and cutting off (in between) the gas supply to the south of Eurasian Kyrgyzstan. But closer to the middle of 2014, Karimov began to make overtures to Moscow. So, at the SCO summit in Dushanbe, Karimov literally repented of comrade. Putin: they say, he “lost his bearings”, and asked him to “check the clock.” And judging by the fact that at the Minsk meeting of the leaders of the CIS Islam Abdulgangievich spoke to Poroshenko, the “reconciliation of hours” was successful.

And then - Putin’s visit to Uzbekistan, which ended with a number of important agreements and the cancellation of 865 million dollars (Uzbekistan will pay off only 25 million dollars)

Meanwhile, at the end of December 2014, regular elections to the Uzbek parliament were held. And in the middle of January, 2015, Karimov again spoke about the impossibility of returning to the USSR and the non-entry of Uzbekistan into integration associations. These statements are built in full accordance with the rhetoric of the State Department, which the USSR sees in the Eurasian Economic Union. Simply put, Karimov "bowed" to the United States, from which he would soon receive used X-NUMX used combat vehicles.

What Karimov wants to give up

The volumes of economic cooperation between Moscow and Tashkent, the factor of several millions of migrants working in Russia, the depth of humanitarian and cultural contacts all testify to the imminence of Eurasian integration for Uzbekistan. Russia consistently ranks first among the trade partners of Uzbekistan (about 27% of the total foreign trade of Uzbekistan). Commodity turnover for the first nine months of 2014 amounted to 4,5 billion. Monitoring perception of Eurasian integration in Uzbekistan annually brings one of the highest results in the post-Soviet space (at the level of 70 – 80%).

Eurasian integration will allow Uzbekistan to develop its economic ties, especially since the sanctions wars have opened up additional opportunities for Uzbek farmers to market their products. Moreover, Eurasian integration will allow Uzbekistan to reconcile with its neighbors, develop economic contacts and solve problems with them, rather than talk about the threats of war with Tajikistan and start exchanges of fire with Kyrgyz border guards.

What are the ways for Karimov?

Nevertheless, Islam Karimov is dragging the country along the “Turkmen” path, although the Eurasian version is objectively preferable. There is also an American, but it is not an option at all.

So:

1. "Western embrace". There is a deepening of military cooperation with the West, the US military base appears in Uzbekistan, and with it the entire infrastructure of the American soft power and ultimately the Maidan.

2. "Hostile Turkmenistan" scenario. Karimov continues to pull the republic towards isolation. Unlike Turkmenistan, which prefers not to quarrel with anyone, Islam Karimov’s ambitions do not allow Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan to be recognized as equal, which is fraught with tense relations, economic wars and even bloodshed. Uzbekistan, which has an impressive human and economic potential, is unprofitable self-isolation, to which Karimov is striving, guided by the interests of his clan and close elites.

3. "Eurasian-objective". Tashkent relies on deepening Eurasian cooperation with Russia and Kazakhstan, establishing constructive contacts with Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. The volumes of cooperation in the SCO format and agreements on the CIS free trade zone are increasing. Uzbekistan remains the main trading and economic partner of Russia and China in Central Asia.

If Islam Karimov does not allow flirting with the United States, he will get the support of Moscow, which is inclined to respect the leaders of independent states. Therefore, the first scenario is the most unlikely. In the meantime, Karimov prefers the second. Its implementation prevents the republic from developing and leads to a loss of public confidence in the president. The question is normalization of relations with neighbors, which worries Moscow, which is interested in a stable Central Asia. The third scenario is objectively optimal, as it gives the opportunity to move forward to the whole of Uzbekistan, rather than skim the cream of one Karimov clan. However, many see another one - the fourth scenario, involving the change of power in Tashkent, which will happen sooner or later ...
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  1. +2
    25 February 2015 14: 04
    Let's see if they will also want to sell their country, following the example of Ukraine, and let the people "beard".
    1. Alex_Popovson
      +1
      25 February 2015 14: 09
      "on the beard"

      It's funny - "on the beard" then just the Central Asian population is likely to get intoxicated.
  2. +1
    25 February 2015 14: 09
    Well, the supreme Uzbek ... It's time to become a normal person. You’ve decided somehow, otherwise my brother already bought a ticket
    1. MBA78
      +6
      25 February 2015 14: 22
      Well, the supreme Uzbek ... It's time to become a normal person. You’ve decided somehow, otherwise my brother already bought a ticket
      there is such a profession - tightrope walker ... try to go yourself if you can (1 attempt)
  3. +4
    25 February 2015 14: 11
    It is not sad (or maybe vice versa?), But the Uzbeks are not a couple to the current Ukrainians. I hope for their mentality, traditions and oriental judiciousness when choosing allies and their future. But Karimov, if he sits up to the grave, is at great risk.
    1. sazhka4
      +5
      25 February 2015 14: 25
      Quote: fzr1000
      but Uzbeks are not a couple of modern Ukrainians

      Uzbeks and we are not Russian couple. They will bring any piece of land to mind. Everything that comes to hand will be brought to mind. They need the Earth (soil). To build, sow and grow, and not for war.
    2. +1
      25 February 2015 18: 35
      Quote: fzr1000
      But Karimov, if he sits up to the grave, is at great risk.



      Uzbekistan flourished under strong and SMART rulers (Timur, Ulugbek), but fell under the greedy, two-faced and corrupt. fool
  4. sazhka4
    +3
    25 February 2015 14: 11
    Separately from the rest of the World, built "democracy". I lived there 12-30 years ago. For mentioning the name of the President in the "sue", the bus conductor could easily throw out the passenger. It is good if at the bus stop. You can just stop the regular bus and make the passengers pick cotton. This is normal. Children are obliged to collect from the 3rd grade, and this is also normal. The number of "cops" exceeded the Army by 60%. Good, "solid" democracy.
  5. MBA78
    +5
    25 February 2015 14: 12
    I vote for the third plan
  6. +3
    25 February 2015 14: 13
    Yanukovych has already made similar gestures. ..Karimov, and Old Man did not learn anything, it seems. ..
  7. -2
    25 February 2015 14: 18
    As an ancient Uzbek proverb says, "If you didn't look alike, you wouldn't meet!" True, in Turkic it is much tougher, but the essence is the same.
    This is because the two inherently and in the likeness of monkeys, regardless of distance and time zones, met.
    And Karimov in Tashkent, this is the same rotten figure, like petrochut from cochland!
  8. +9
    25 February 2015 14: 24
    In principle, the article is meaningless, the author has made a selection and claims to be an expert on SA. A serious analyst will not make mistakes in the name of the parliament and the name of the president of the country he writes about. Do not forget that I.A. Karimov has been ensuring the stability of the state for many years. vivid negative examples: Georgia, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Tajikistan, Ukraine, in all these countries there was (is) a civil war. I have lived in Uzbekistan all my life and I remember very well how the Islamists raised their heads during the collapse of the USSR, and not everyone can get rid of this infection. In Uzbekistan (ordinary people) say: “There are shortcomings in the country, but ... the main thing is that there is no war!” This became especially clear after the events in Ukraine!
  9. +1
    25 February 2015 14: 29
    In Kyrgyzstan, too, they tried to sit on two chairs !! However, this led to two revolutions .. The majority of the people supported the course towards integration into the Common Economic Space. This is a matter of life and death for us. According to the leaders of the Islamic State, although the Kyrgyz people are Muslims, they are considered false and are subject to colonization. That is why we will become the southern outpost of Russia in Central Asia. Russian instructors have already begun reorganizing our army and are teaching our soldiers to resist the terrorist hydra ...
    1. +2
      25 February 2015 14: 50
      Quote: Nursultan
      According to the leaders of the Islamic State, although Kyrgyz are Muslims, they are considered to be false and are subject to colonization.

      Can I find out where it is written?
      Kirghiz, Kazakhs and other Sunnis. Not Arabs profess Islam of the Hanafi Maskhab, mainly differ from the Wahhabis, of.religion S.A.
      Who can resist them? Besides the national patriots, there’s no one. Don’t confuse with the Nazis.
      It is not strange that the Iglovites are influenced by .... internationalists but not nationalists, or rather patriots.
      Members of radical Islamic organization condemned in Karaganda
      Radical Islamists condemned in Karaganda on February 10. Dmitry Nikolaev and Adilet Temirkanov planned to organize terrorist attacks in Temirtau. According to the case file, they talked among themselves about the need to blow up the Eastern police department and attack the military depot on the Almaty-Astana highway.

      Dmitry Nikolaev was trained in Egypt at the religious-extremist educational institution “Markaz”. He was taught Arabic, shooting, and mine action. At the end of January 2013, Nikolaev illegally crossed the Turkish-Syrian border. He arrived at the camp of militants who fought against the Syrian government forces. There he joined the Zhamagata Abu Hanifa group. In this terrorist organization, he met other immigrants from the CIS. Nikolaev was a scout, monitored the movement of government troops.

      In September 2013, Nikolaev was sent to Kazakhstan. In Temirtau, he found an accomplice - a citizen of Kyrgyzstan, Adilet Temirkanov, who also received special training as a radical Islamist. Together, they began to recruit newcomers to their organization, who were introduced to the ideas of radical Islam and trained in the manufacture of explosives.

      In court, Nikolaev fully admitted his guilt and spoke in detail about his plans.

      From the testimony of the defendant:

      “Considered as an object of attack: 1) The warehouse of military unit 555, located on the Almaty-Astana highway on the outskirts of Temirtau, but only if there are at least 50 experienced fighters in the group. He planned to remove the 4 watch towers by means of a directed explosion. Also set up cover groups on 2 routes, which should undermine a certain section of the route to block entry to the warehouses. Then, after the explosion, he planned to enter the warehouses to gain access to various types of weapons. Armed to capture a nearby tank unit. After starting the retreat towards Karaganda, where he intended to conduct "armed jihad." 2) The eastern police department of Temirtau (the most likely target of the attack, since it did not exclude the possibility of carrying it out alone). He also intended to make a “shahid” belt with which he could enter the building of the police department. In the absence of the possibility of conducting "jihad" in Kazakhstan, he planned to carry out robberies against rich people, and leave one third of the loot for himself to prepare the conditions for conducting "jihad".

      In addition, Temirkanov and Nikolaev distributed videos on the Internet with shots of the execution of "infidels."

      In a specialized inter-district criminal court of the Karaganda region, Nikolaev and Temirkanov were found guilty of carrying out terrorist activities.

      Dmitry Nikolaev was sentenced to 11 years in prison, his accomplice - to eight.
  10. +1
    25 February 2015 14: 29
    East is a delicate matter. You may not notice how Obama will appoint someone as his beloved wife.
  11. +2
    25 February 2015 14: 40
    Everything is not so simple. Uzbekistan seems to consist of some Uzbeks, but this is not so, history buffs will confirm Sogdiana, Bactria, Karakalpaki, Kipchaks and other nationalities. They even walk, (now they make fun of me) and gestures can be distinguished. In addition, Uzbekistan has a lot of natural resources, such as uranium and industrial gold 999 (Zarafshan), gas and oil. And plus natural weather wealth.
    1. +2
      25 February 2015 15: 06
      Some Türks are other Tajik-Iranians.
    2. ed65b
      +1
      25 February 2015 16: 01
      Which Sogdiana and Bactria are the cutest? This is not a nationality but a territory, remember Maracand.
  12. 0
    25 February 2015 14: 46
    I was in Uzbekistan to work in 2003.
    In fact, the attitude was like a tourist, so I will not express my opinion.
    I better read what those who live there now write.
    PS And I remember the Uzbek green tea with gratitude. Like pilaf, like kebabs.
  13. 0
    25 February 2015 14: 57
    Post Soviet space today is a time bomb. Moldova, Ukraine, Georgia, Uzbekistan - Who's Next! Looking at this whole picture it is clearly seen that a real war is being waged against Russia. The time has come for action, and not only on the diplomatic front, but also on the economic one. New Maidan, these are new hot spots, and smoldering fire very soon turns into a horse.
    1. 0
      25 February 2015 15: 03
      It is time for action! The war is fought! - What are beautiful slogans.
      Take the trouble to explain what specific actions are you waiting for? What should be done? What and who will receive as a result of these actions?
      But there is no need to gag.
  14. +5
    25 February 2015 15: 21
    We can say THANKS to Karimov that the Iglovtsy are not on the borders of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, etc. ... There, further north, the Russian Federation.
    And what with whom "flirts" is the least EVIL, Than in consequence can happen.
    I wish peace to the Uzbek people!
    1. +2
      25 February 2015 18: 45
      I completely agree! I have repeatedly objected here against the indiscriminate criticism of Uzbekistan and its government - according to the principle, if not in the ODKB, then "fools"
      The Uzbeks maintain stability and in fact "shield" us from everything that is happening in the south.

      As long as they are stable, it will be normal in the CA too - but I wish the Uzbek comrades to integrate more closely with Kazakhstan first and foremost - and then with the EAEC and the CSTO gradually - I think this will benefit everyone - Eurasia is the best sales market for Uzbekistan and practically opens up scope for his economy. For example, Uzbekistan lived better in the USSR than now - because it does not have oil like ours - but their cotton and agricultural products were in demand by the whole union - and factories were built (aircraft, etc.) that also worked for the whole union
  15. melnik
    +1
    25 February 2015 15: 27
    Uzbeks are also very much stuck .. if their heads are in 90 h. Now they have increased their minds. I communicate with them a lot. The main postulate is peace, friendship, chewing gum with Russia. I am silent about our peers, those Union will remember how the country of Susambil (this theirs is Eldorado).
  16. yur58
    0
    25 February 2015 15: 46
    You’ll spit at any place on the map - you will fall into an American, everywhere they have a zone of all interests there.
  17. +1
    25 February 2015 16: 35
    - If it weren't for I. Karimov, such "cadres" as Juma Namangani, Usman Adil or Abbas Mansur could have come to power ... that's who we have never been a friend ... The current president of Uzbekistan, with all due respect, is a figure of the past .. Who's next?
    1. +3
      25 February 2015 17: 21
      Quote: saygon66
      . But who is next?

      Yes, Moscow is better off betting on National Patriots, Democrats.
      There will be no guest workers, if Moscow is interested in this, the ideas of the world caliphate will not hold out. There China will not be able to do anything.
      So the situation has arisen, it is advisable not to see the IGL near its border, but as compatriots, resettlement? The simple answer is integration into society, the language is a culture, not only Russian. But also the place of residence, its image is a symbiosis. And also mutual lending, investment. If in Moscow Uzbeks want to build an eastern bazaar, a luxurious place, something like a shopping center in the east, to trade in their goods, it is better not to refuse.
  18. +2
    25 February 2015 17: 34
    The author is strange ..
    with this phrase Imagine what will start if Russia deportes all these “illegal idlers” before the elections back to Uzbekistan.
    The Uzbeks certainly will not overthrow Karimov with love for Russians and Russia, but rather, on the contrary, they will overthrow Karimov with hatred of Russia and Russians.
    Therefore, the same mistake is again made, that with Ukraine, selling expensive gas there, they thought that the authorities would bend over, but did not take into account the increasing hatred of the people and here the same thing. The deport will cause ordinary people to hate Russia, including the need to apply more flexible methods.
    The Americans are doing Maidan, it seems they are, but it seems they are not there.
    Russia managed to do so flexibly only once in the Crimea. EVERYTHING !! And that was due to the presence of a military base there and the Russian population, which was completely sympathetic to Russia, which constitutes the majority there. In other cases, the clumsy method.
    1. +1
      25 February 2015 17: 43
      Salaam Aleikum!
      What they did, they stopped buying gas from Uzbekistan, went to Kyrgyzstan, limited themselves to gas from Kazakhstan, Gazprom. And from the Turkmens. Now that’s all, there’s no frost, it’s leaving for China.
      Further, China is the state that itself sets the purchase price, then grandmas do not go that they will look for alternative buyers. smile
      Good luck with the gas project.
    2. +1
      25 February 2015 19: 01
      - “As for the Uzbeks in Syria, they are representatives of a new generation of Islamists, natives of the poor and rural population. towards migrants leads to the formation MUSLIM IDENTITY, like immigrants from Central Asia and the Russian citizens of the Muslim faith, such as the Chechens. IT self-awareness was a reaction to rejection MUSLIMS IN RUSSIA, which only fueled anti-Western sentiment. "(C) Ahmed Rakhmanov, "Le Haffington Post"
      - Here again, Russia is to blame ...
  19. +1
    25 February 2015 17: 40
    Uzbekistan = Karimov. There is no Karimov, an equal sign in doubt. Uzbekistan - Russophobic education is expressed, but nevertheless in the person of Karimov - is perhaps the only important factor in the relative stability of the SA. Also, one should not forget that the republics of the SA were mainly created by dismembering and reorganizing the territories of the Uzbek-Tajik khanates within Russia and the Soviet Union. Not that I was a stubborn Uzbekophile, not at all, but the key to the well-being of the SA lies in Tashkent.
    1. +2
      25 February 2015 17: 53
      Quote: Humpty
      . Uzbekistan - Russophobic education is expressed, but nevertheless in the person of Karimov is perhaps the only important factor in the relative stability of the SA.

      If they were not Russophobes, ISL ruled the ball there for a long time. Then the Kirghiz surrendered, but as they did with the Uzbeks, they "butted" and here "friendship and chewing gum" you didn't even have time to get to our border.
      1. +1
        25 February 2015 18: 05
        Quote: marshes

        If they were not Russophobes, ISL ruled the ball there for a long time. Then the Kirghiz surrendered, but as they did with the Uzbeks, they "butted" and here "friendship and chewing gum" you didn't even have time to get to our border.

        Hello ! The Uzbek occupation museum appeared earlier than ISIS. It still does not smell of chewing gum, at least in our southern regions, which I visit only as needed. And whoever surrenders first, here I agree with you.
        1. +1
          25 February 2015 18: 12
          Quote: Humpty
          here I agree with you.

          Why Moscow has to play this card more than once, China and Kazakhstan have been using this for a long time.
          If you take yourself, a mestizo, but one telephone call is provided to a crowd of relatives. I’m just helping them, blood.
          So nationalism is a temporary phenomenon, it disappears after the growth of wealth. Some laziness appears. smile
          1. +1
            25 February 2015 18: 22
            Quote: marshes
            Why Moscow has to play this card more than once, China and Kazakhstan have been using this for a long time

            You see, everything is simpler than it seems. Either the Russian consul is too drunk, then his hands do not reach due to more urgent problems, then the usual incompetence. As a result, while Putin does not personally tackle any issue, nothing has changed. Putin is not enough for everyone. True, the drunken consul was determined somewhere, now he is adequate instead.
            1. +2
              25 February 2015 18: 33
              Quote: Humpty
              Putin is not enough for everyone

              I dream when the system will work, the presidents will be a temporary phenomenon, who will turn to their deputy. A dream, a dream.
              What the Russian Federation is doing for you, but they are fixated on us, they wouldn’t lie anywhere. And they don’t count you at all. Such an attitude, they gave us either China or us for garlic.
              1. +1
                25 February 2015 18: 52
                Quote: marshes
                I dream when the system will work, the presidents will be a temporary phenomenon, who will turn to their deputy. A dream, a dream.


                Exactly . Normal people want a normal life and adequate power.
                The fact that I am a voluntary-nevolence directly or indirectly sometimes criticize Kazakhstan and its policies, both external and internal, to the best of my eyes, is only out of a desire that you don’t go on the same rake that they are jumping at us . Your country has a real chance of being a normal country.
                1. +2
                  25 February 2015 18: 59
                  Quote: Humpty
                  The fact that I am a voluntary-nevolence directly or indirectly sometimes criticize Kazakhstan and its policies

                  Our policy, the Eastern one, is cunningly ... naya in vernacular. And what can you do, not Switzerland, we were not lucky with the neighbors. We have to get out, even glad that the military uniform with the boots became too small and the stew in the "alarming suitcase has deteriorated."
                  Quote: Humpty
                  so that you don’t go on the same rake that we are jumping on. Your country has a real chance of being a normal country.

                  Oh, so we’re talking about you before the election. What a rake. smile
                  Our main improvement in the welfare of citizens.
                  1. +1
                    25 February 2015 19: 13
                    Quote: marshes
                    Oh, so we’re talking about you before the election. What a rake.

                    Marshes, we had a lot like Kazakhstan under Akayev, you can smile, even the standard of living. In fact, not a damn thing developed, but more or less swam, then for many people in connection with horse racing twice in a row there were serious changes for the worse.
                    1. +2
                      25 February 2015 19: 23
                      Quote: Humpty
                      Marshes, we had a lot like Kazakhstan under Akayev, you can smile, even the standard of living.

                      You left the union not bad with good potential, ours were among you and the Uzbeks gastrobaynicheril. Ours until the last kept the union, even in monetary terms but sent ... Christmas trees hunger almost happened, Turkey and Qatar helped. We remembered all this.
                      What a race, we are "lazy".
                      1. +2
                        25 February 2015 20: 33
                        Quote: marshes
                        Quote: Humpty
                        Marshes, we had a lot like Kazakhstan under Akayev, you can smile, even the standard of living.

                        You left the union not bad with good potential, ours were among you and the Uzbeks gastrobaynicheril. Ours until the last kept the union, even in monetary terms but sent ... Christmas trees hunger almost happened, Turkey and Qatar helped. We remembered all this.
                        What a race, we are "lazy".

                        it’s for sure that he personally went on a trip to Uzbekistan for three years when, in Shym, after the collapse of the union, our ass started. I remember on TV in Toy-tepe that Kazakhs were hungry again and they were taking Uzbek bread. Then, for a long time, the locals harassed me like a kapets to you, and after 8-10 years they began to call and be interested in the account of work in KZ. Karimov has pros and cons, but he specifically slowed down the Uzbeks in economic development, their starting conditions were better than ours and the population is more entrepreneurial and working, for me the Uzbeks have lost more than they gained in these 25 years (in the economy, speaking about other areas of life I will not).
                      2. 0
                        25 February 2015 20: 50
                        Salam Aleikum Agay.
                        Quote: Semurg
                        it’s for sure that I personally personally spent three years in Uzbekistan

                        Mom worked in the company, in Uzbekistan they built the road, the result was the equipment left there, but the profit, the advance payment for work. In the Russian Federation, they also did something there with garlic but with a pullback.
                        Hunger.
                        The call came from the north of Kazakhstan, they said that the bran was steamed for lunch. DM Technicians mainly. I’m from hearty Almaty and here guys, there’s nothing to eat. And they also say why so many people fell from Kazakhstan.
                        Quote: Semurg
                        . Karimov has pros and cons, but he specifically slowed down the Uzbeks in economic development, their starting conditions were better than ours and the population is more entrepreneurial and working, for me the Uzbeks have lost more than they gained in these 25 years (in the economy, speaking about other areas of life I will not).

                        Yes, they lived better, Marlboro, Sharpe 777,999, they had sneakers and even with an alliance, dressing gowns with sashes and then the royal chervonets, all about it.
                        Tashkent, Andijan flew according to the dappers with his father on board ... Not in the subject of Rakh, he also loved his father, that's why ...
                        For that, not a bad car assembly plant was created. Textiles are not Che, there used to be, now they are pushing the setetics.
                      3. +1
                        25 February 2015 21: 26
                        Quote: marshes
                        Salam Aleikum Agay.

                        Aleikum As-salam. Raha is all, now holds the answer to the Almighty. iman salamat bolsyn, about the dead either good or nothing. I remember my first trip to Tash when I was 7-8 years old, while you were driving across Kazakhstan around the steppe and the steppe, huts, rickety pair of stunted trees and a dozen sheep in the shade of these trees. You drive Sary-Agash and voila another world, everything is green there is not a single gram of empty land, even on the flat roofs of the sheds boxes with greens. And the Alai Bazaar is finally a living fairy tale of Scheherazade, everything is brightly richly varied, deliciously magical laughing . The second time I was surprised when I was already working in Toytepe, they called me to Tamak at 7 in the morning and everyone came at exactly seven and finished at 8 and went to work. In general, we don’t appoint tamak in the morning and are late for the evening at least an hour. laughing . What is interesting in our market were three waves, at first Uzbeks, then Koreans from Uzbekistan, now Kyrgyz, and all of them, after trading 3-5 years, get citizenship of the Republic of Kazakhstan and leave the markets, but the Kazakhs from the villages are somehow registered there forever.
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                        25 February 2015 21: 40
                        Quote: Semurg
                        , everything is bright-rich-diverse-delicious-magical

                        Last year, even the relatives from Germany could not show the bazaar, they excavated it in Taraz. They are basically local, they just wanted to show the eastern bazaar to the tribes. Here are the hostages, who went to dentists, pawnshops and jewelry, immediately broke down. In Almaty, children's things and optics, glasses, procured by running. laughing
                        Quote: Semurg
                        In general, we don’t appoint tamak in the morning and are late for the evening at least an hour.

                        The guest of honor comes last, laughing Therefore, if anything in the invitations I write 16 hours to 20, in principle, everything will come together. laughing
                        Quote: Semurg
                        . What is interesting in our market were three waves, at first Uzbeks, then Koreans from Uzbekistan, now Kyrgyz, and all of them, after trading 3-5 years, get citizenship of the Republic of Kazakhstan and leave the markets, but the Kazakhs from the villages are somehow registered there forever.

                        We have everything, places for the Kazakhs, so the Uighurs, Turks are still trading.
                        But the flea market ended, TD are built in principle correctly.
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                        25 February 2015 21: 58
                        What do not sleep? are we waiting for the champions league?
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                        25 February 2015 22: 02
                        Quote: Semurg
                        What do not sleep? are we waiting for the champions league?

                        No, I’m resting for now, we decided not to go where. This is a free schedule.
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                        25 February 2015 22: 17
                        maybe to us to taxi drivers to the heap laughing and that the schedule is free, piecework earnings, communication is diverse. In general, some pluses laughing .
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                  25 February 2015 19: 16
                  Sanya, if you can.
                  At the expense of acid rain, we also suffer. Drugan, a military meteorologist, said that it’s even more interesting from the bottom of the Aral Sea, after launches a huge amount of air is burned, a low pressure zone is burned, then the combustion products mix ... and there is also a wind rose, in our direction. Now launches have shifted to fall-winter spring ...
                  The fact that with Taraz, phosphate, in theory, the vegetation should grow violently.
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                    25 February 2015 19: 42
                    I suppose that sometimes chemical production of the Dzhambul region lends itself. The idea is nowhere else. Everything carries from Baikonur to the north, in the area of ​​Muyunkum (Furmanovka) - the places we are familiar with are probably even more north. Pressure after launches changes even with us. Our wind is almost strictly western, extremely rarely northwest, with the exception of a local breeze.
                    From Ust-Kama chemistry cannot blow us.
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                      25 February 2015 20: 07
                      Quote: Humpty
                      that sometimes give chemical production of the Dzhambul region

                      Yes, there’s almost nothing that doesn’t work there, the Taraz phosphate-Russians are the owners, I see at night, when I visit Taraz, there are plumes of smoke from the pipes in your direction. But where they dump all the overgrown liquid waste there, they run the silver carp there.
                      By the way, in summer nights, I saw inverting traces in the sky, fighters. In Taraz, ours or from Kant?
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                        25 February 2015 20: 52
                        [quote = swamps] [quote = Humpty] Taraz phosphate-Russians are the owners [/ quote]

                        Crossed with these Russians - 1 yard greens want to invest.
                        There is only a problem with the sales market - give nitrogen and potassium to everyone, but it is in the end with phosphorus. They have hope for support - Nazarbayev promised a pier.

                        Uzbeks developed well before the 2000-x factory of Daewoo, DisneyLand, etc. And then Karimov picked up and folded the NEP and all of Uzbekistan faded. All foreigners were thrown out - even the Turks. The Russians also squeezed a cellular company. The Uzbeks do not speak openly against Karimov, but who, if not he, is responsible for the economy?
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                        25 February 2015 20: 59
                        Quote: Lindon
                        but who if not he is responsible for the economy?

                        SNB, the ball is right there now.
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                        26 February 2015 04: 18
                        Quote: marshes
                        By the way, in summer nights, I saw inverting traces in the sky, fighters. In Taraz, ours or from Kant?

                        Kantian planes are sometimes seen when flying during the day and not very high. From your side there are traces in the air, at high altitudes, away from the civil highway. I don’t have any idea who and where is flying.
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    25 February 2015 18: 11
    Karimov, the second Yanukovych, wants to sit on two chairs.
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      25 February 2015 18: 20
      Quote: kaik
      Karimov, the second Yanukovych, wants to sit on two chairs.

      At five, you can get enough sleep.
      People, China, Russia, USA, European Union, Muslim states.
      And Yanukovych is an eccentric, in the letter M.
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      25 February 2015 19: 48
      kaik Karimov is the second Yanukovych, wants to sit on two chairs.
      Absolutely not a true comparison! It seems that uv.kayak wrote a comment on the principle of just to be noted. Read on the internet and compare. Yanukovych compared with Karimov, a gopnik in all respects.
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    25 February 2015 23: 49
    He served and lived in Uzbekistan for 32 years. A magnificent, hardworking people. A rich and wonderful land. I. Karimov, the "Central Asian fox", conducts an isolation policy, relying on the widespread thesis of the republic's self-sufficiency. A cunning and tough leader, in foreign policy, proceeds from profitable or not it is beneficial at the moment for the country. (hence the alleged shuffling from one pole to the other, but this is only based on profitability and attractiveness). Inside the country, there is strict centralized control vertically, the opposition is suppressed. Elements of nationalism are observed. The economy is in decline, large labor resources -Unemployment. The army is numerous. The Air Force and Air Defense have low combat readiness (equipment of the Soviet period with a spent resource).
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    26 February 2015 01: 56
    Quote: saygon66
    - If it weren't for I. Karimov, such "cadres" as Juma Namangani, Usman Adil or Abbas Mansur could have come to power ... that's who we have never been a friend ... The current president of Uzbekistan, with all due respect, is a figure of the past .. Who's next?

    This question has been worrying me for 7 years now. And especially after Ukraine.

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