Yanukovych and Azarov accused of fomenting a war between Ukraine and Russia

Yanukovych and Azarov accused of fomenting a war between Ukraine and Russia Appeal of the Presidium of the Central Committee of the PSPU to the President of Ukraine V. Yanukovych and Prime Minister N. Azarov “Stop setting fire to the gas war with Russia!”, Which is fully cited below:


"Victor Fedorovich and Nikolay Yanovich!

Your domestic and foreign policy, in contrast to your election promises, turned out to be deceitful, unprofessional, and treacherous. The whole essence of your economic and social reforms is the sale of state property to your fellow party oligarchs, and the plundering of the people of Ukraine with penniless wages and pensions, pension reform, deprivation of legal benefits, constant inflation of prices and tariffs for the population.

Do you understand that our people are not just disappointed in your work, but are starting to hate you?

We know that you are advised by American political consultants who have worked in the United States to pacify their people by manipulating their consciousness, switching their attention to other problems. All US presidents in running for a second term incited wars in different parts of the world. To consolidate your people and increase your own rating.

You are applying this political method now, setting fire to the war with Russia, exposing it endless ultimatums, forming from Russia in the minds of our people not just the culprit of all misfortunes, but the image of the enemy.

The Presidium of the PSPU Central Committee considers the perpetrators and instigators of the war with Russia to you personally, as well as your predecessors, Yushchenko and Tymoshenko. You carry out someone else's political order, which is fraught with large-scale disasters for Ukraine and our people.

As for the main problem for which you are making claims to Russia: the price of gas. Yes, the price is high, very heavy for our economy. But in connection with what there was such a price? Who initiated the revision of gas agreements under which Ukraine received gas from Russia for 50 dollars / 1000 cubic meters and in connection with what?

The truth is that the initiators of the revision of the gas agreements were the Ukrainian authorities. And we must honestly tell our people why they began to revise these agreements. The truthful answer is that Ukraine decided to join the WTO and voluntarily assumed obligations to fulfill the conditions of the WTO and consume gas at world prices. This is your PR faction, in the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, being in opposition to 4 on April 2008, supported the Orange power with all its votes and voted for joining the WTO! Among those 411 deputies are your personal voices, Viktor Fedorovich and Nikolai Yanovich.

Therefore, the gas contract from January 19 2009 between Naftogaz and Gazprom is the implementation of WTO requirements, and not an ultimatum to Russia.

The Russian Federation offers specific options for a radical reduction in gas prices: joining the Customs Union, creating a gas consortium.

But you, fulfilling your obligations to the West on the European integration of Ukraine and joining NATO, you, precisely you, are refusing lucrative offers to lower gas prices. Raising gas prices for the population, fulfilling the requirements of the IMF for the sake of getting another loan, you are again lying that Russia is to blame.

Guilty you! But throwing our people at the millstones of the struggle provoking a war. You continue the traditions of the national fascists of Ukraine. Stop! We are all the responsibility for inciting war with Russia, and for its consequences, we assign to you.

Chairman of the Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine (PSPU) N. Vitrenko
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  1. MichaelVl
    MichaelVl 20 September 2011 08: 45 New
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    Uhhh, how many comments this article will collect!
  2. KuigoroZHIK 20 September 2011 09: 24 New
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    and there’s nothing to say. everything is correct, everything is correct and on the shelves. With such speeches in the zombie-box ....... Duc would not let the corrupt bastards ....
  3. ytqnhfk
    ytqnhfk 20 September 2011 09: 29 New
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    It smells like a move, but otherwise it’s very plausible at the expense of WTO prices, it’s true that Westerners will not let you speculate on a freebie !!!
    1. Tyumen
      Tyumen 20 September 2011 21: 48 New
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      And there will be no more.
    2. Tyumen
      Tyumen 20 September 2011 21: 55 New
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      And there will be no more.
    3. Tyumen
      Tyumen 20 September 2011 21: 56 New
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      And there will be no more.
  4. Banshee 20 September 2011 09: 34 New
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    Cleverly written, without tantrums and to the point. Of course, it would be nice to eat fish and ... gas on the cheap. But, despite the personal negative to the modern government, thank God that our brains are fine in this regard.

    Well, it does not happen that both ours and theirs. And in the WTO, and gas on the cheap.

    Although ... (you can imagine this) in exchange for one piece of land ... (primordially Russian, by the way) ... it could be. Utopia, of course, but as an option, you will give us the Crimea back, and we will flood you ... we gasp.

    I understand that and not a ride.
    1. Splin
      Splin 20 September 2011 09: 49 New
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      Turkish is a piece. under the Kuchuk-Kainardzhsky treaty, Catherine then joined him.
    2. SLAVA 20 September 2011 10: 11 New
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      )))) Why only Crimea! ???? All Ukraine to join, the people are one! Sorry, besides the Zapodnians, they should be granted independence and let them boil in their homna))))
      1. Graaf
        Graaf 20 September 2011 14: 39 New
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        ... and the elastic in his underwear will not burst, after such an attachment? The people are one, only in 20 years, he (the people of Ukraine) has changed a lot.
      2. ytqnhfk
        ytqnhfk 20 September 2011 16: 28 New
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        I want to speak about the accession of Ukraine; The country has been living for 20 years without an alliance with us, in my opinion there is no need to pull them towards you, they wanted independence, we gave it to them, so why "back with your heels?" to consider until the end the issue on the territory if you need something to buy, or to agree !! - the remaining questions are on an equal footing with everyone !!! Well, the people will certainly lose a lot, but speculation about this is already annoying. This is like starting a war !!!
        1. Bogatir
          Bogatir 21 September 2011 18: 15 New
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          Quote: ytqnhfk
          they wanted independence, we gave it to them

          - some - "given". Who are you - Napoleon.
          It is true that in 91 the troops subjugated themselves, prevented the withdrawal of the latest weapons, closed the border, etc. - by sending Yeltsin and Co. to Gazprom.
      3. Ivan35
        Ivan35 20 September 2011 19: 27 New
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        the most correct comment in my opinion is Glory
        Let's start sharing the Crimea, etc. - many Ukrainians will turn their backs - we must strive for reunification with the whole of Ukraine (you can perhaps without one small part - you know which one)
        Sorry for the repetitions - but it is impossible for us - ordinary people to transfer anti-Ukrainian or anti-Russian rhetoric to the media on each other - let the "fights fight"

        Putin is trying to join Ukraine to the CU and then possibly to the SES of the three republics - it seems to me that all patriots and even communists should support him in this - here I think the interests of the peoples and the Kremlin oligarchs coincide - what happens in history
        1. Bogatir
          Bogatir 21 September 2011 18: 13 New
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          Quote: Ivan35
          Putin is trying to join Ukraine to the CU and then possibly to the SES of the three republics - it seems to me that all patriots and even communists should support him in this - here I think the interests of the peoples and the Kremlin oligarchs coincide - what happens in history

          - You forgot the rest to ask ...
      4. Bogatir
        Bogatir 21 September 2011 18: 17 New
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        Quote: SLAVA
        )))) Why only Crimea! ???? All Ukraine to join, the people are one! Sorry, besides the Zapodnians, they should be granted independence and let them boil in their homna))))

        - No! We are different nations - so cook in your own (where you yourself know)
    3. oper66
      oper66 20 September 2011 16: 47 New
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      somewhere there, a piece of the Crimea of ​​Russia went to the war with the Turks and the “wild field”, eastern Ukraine and Russian land, it’s just necessary to void the administrative borders, all but the subordinates are not Ukrainians but re-born hybrid from Austrians and Hungarians with Polish shivers
    4. oper66
      oper66 20 September 2011 16: 52 New
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      somewhere there, a piece of the Crimea of ​​Russia went to the war with the Turks and the “wild field”, eastern Ukraine and Russian land, it’s just necessary to void the administrative borders, all but the subordinates are not Ukrainians but re-born hybrid from Austrians and Hungarians with Polish shivers
      1. Bogatir
        Bogatir 21 September 2011 18: 11 New
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        Quote: oper66
        The Crimea of ​​Russia went to the war with the Turks and the "wild field", eastern Ukraine and the traditional Russian land

        - No. Voronezh, Belgorod, Kursk regions - illegally donated by Khrushchev of the Russian Federation. Also Kuban - Ukrainian lands.
        1. Banshee 21 September 2011 20: 26 New
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          If anything, Voronezh was founded by voivod Saburov according to the Tsar's order of Tsar Fyodor Ivanovich in 1586. As far as I know, this is a Russian ruler. Accordingly, Khrushchev was not in the business at all. And he could not donate the RSFSR to the Voronezh Region, since since 1586 (at least) it has been Russian territory.

          Quote: Bogatir
          Also Kuban - Ukrainian lands.


          Che so weak? Dagestan with Chechnya do not want at the same time?
          1. KASKAD
            KASKAD 22 September 2011 17: 26 New
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            Right! need to change Crimea to Chechnya wink
        2. Banshee 21 September 2011 20: 31 New
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          If anything, Voronezh was founded by voivod Saburov according to the Tsar's order of Tsar Fyodor Ivanovich in 1586. As far as I know, this is a Russian ruler. Accordingly, Khrushchev was not in the business at all. And he could not donate the RSFSR to the Voronezh Region, since since 1586 (at least) it has been Russian territory.

          Quote: Bogatir
          Also Kuban - Ukrainian lands.


          Che so weak? Dagestan with Chechnya do not want at the same time?
        3. Banshee 21 September 2011 20: 31 New
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          If anything, Voronezh was founded by voivod Saburov according to the Tsar's order of Tsar Fyodor Ivanovich in 1586. As far as I know, this is a Russian ruler. Accordingly, Khrushchev was not in the business at all. And he could not donate the RSFSR to the Voronezh Region, since since 1586 (at least) it has been Russian territory.

          Quote: Bogatir
          Also Kuban - Ukrainian lands.


          Che so weak? Dagestan with Chechnya do not want at the same time?
    5. oper66
      oper66 20 September 2011 16: 52 New
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      somewhere there, a piece of the Crimea of ​​Russia went to the war with the Turks and the “wild field”, eastern Ukraine and Russian land, it’s just necessary to void the administrative borders, all but the subordinates are not Ukrainians but re-born hybrid from Austrians and Hungarians with Polish shivers
    6. oper66
      oper66 20 September 2011 16: 53 New
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      somewhere there, a piece of the Crimea of ​​Russia went to the war with the Turks and the “wild field”, eastern Ukraine and Russian land, it’s just necessary to void the administrative borders, all but the subordinates are not Ukrainians but re-born hybrid from Austrians and Hungarians with Polish shivers
    7. oper66
      oper66 20 September 2011 16: 54 New
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      somewhere there, a piece of the Crimea of ​​Russia went to the war with the Turks and the “wild field”, eastern Ukraine and Russian land, it’s just necessary to void the administrative borders, all but the subordinates are not Ukrainians but re-born hybrid from Austrians and Hungarians with Polish shivers
  5. Splin
    Splin 20 September 2011 09: 45 New
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    Well, yes, Vitrenchikha was always famous for inadequacy. Her party members too. She is ready to give her life for Russia, and what she has done for Ukraine over the past 15 years. Only in 2009 did its people stop the NATO exercises, which took place without the decision of the Verkhovna Rada, and that’s all. Her rhetoric resembles Galician, only directed in the other direction. As they shout in Western Ukraine, “Let’s completely lie down under the West, and there everything’s burning with fire.” The offer from Russia towards Russia is exactly the same. And with the "whore" which they want to make Ukraine, and those (Westerners) and Vitrenko will not be considered! An open e-mail is unseen! And about Tymoshenko, the European Parliament wrote the same. So she forgive everything.
  6. stas 20 September 2011 10: 20 New
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    A woman with a small party, not even a member of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, thwarted the teachings of NATO.
    Isn't that an act? which deserves RESPECT!
    Not every general was able to dare to do this, and even during the reign of Yushchenko and Tymoshenko.
    I will quote a quote from the first chancellor of the German Empire, Otto von Bismarck;
    "The power of Russia can only be undermined by the separation of Ukraine from it ... it is necessary not only to tear off, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia, to pit two parts of a single people and watch how a brother will kill his brother."
    1. Splin
      Splin 20 September 2011 10: 41 New
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      I completely agree with Bismarck. The question of abuse is redundant. Here are just threats, like we strangled you with gas. In 2008, Yushchenko and Tymoshenko were in a single wrapper. And then I suppose I was for a stronger rapprochement between Ukraine and Russia. But after August, when for some reason because of one idiot, they began to be like enemies to all citizens of Ukraine, my mood changed. When I was traveling to Venezuela, through Moscow, I was stopped five times to check my passport. And almost a Russian person cops neglected calling Khokhl. And this is not an isolated case. Passport, rights, car numbers - all of my friends are like a red rag for a bull. How do you order this information attack? After all, she is now almost the same.
      1. stas 20 September 2011 10: 55 New
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        Splin, I completely agree with you, we condemn and disapprove of the actions of the GDP every time on New Year’s every year on gas with Ukraine.
        We are one people, with one culture and one Faith. We have nothing to share, we need to get together and send all the current leaders of both Russia and Ukraine, from where they do not return.
        In their bourgeois ways, our rulers of both states are alike, and the whole problem is in them, and not in Russians or Ukrainians.
        1. greenk19 20 September 2011 11: 28 New
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          One people, and who in the nineties shouted to Russians who lived with you, "Ivan get out in hungry Russia"
          1. Banshee 20 September 2011 14: 28 New
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            Yes, in fact, a single people, so there are plenty of fools here and there. The main problem is still Gogol.
          2. Bogatir
            Bogatir 21 September 2011 18: 06 New
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            Russians - have little relation to Ukrainians.
        2. mitrich
          mitrich 20 September 2011 18: 00 New
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          stas,
          ".... with the actions of the GDP that he arranges every time on New Year’s for gas with Ukraine, we condemn and disapprove."
          Firstly, you should at least a little understand the essence of gas disputes between Russia and Ukraine, because you, in fact, do not blame the GDP, but the country in which you live and consider yourself a patriot.
          And secondly, in your own name, plz, condemn and disapprove. Personally, I have not delegated such a right to you.
          1. stas 20 September 2011 20: 09 New
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            mitrich, the price of gas for Ukraine has nothing to do with patriotism.
            With your concept of patriotism through maintaining GDP throughout, we will go very far. And you will be convinced of this in October 2012, if the GDP remains at the helm of power. The new gas prices and real estate taxes already planned for the Russians will not please you very much, and you will understand the inhabitants of Ukraine correctly, without pompous patriotism.
            But if you work at Gazprom, then I understand you, you will not suffer.
            1. mitrich
              mitrich 20 September 2011 20: 54 New
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              stas,
              I wrote about Russian-Ukrainian relations, and not about the identity of GDP (although I admit that our assessments of his personality are diametrically opposed; you seem to generally perceive Putin and his team as nothing more than agents of the CIA, SIS and Mossad).
              So, if we draw parallels between Russian-Ukrainian relations and relations between the bride and groom on the eve of the wedding, I will write that marriages happen:
              - for love;
              - by calculation.
              Love does not work, it is felt even by the direction of the comments of Ukrainian users of this site. I'm not talking about the so-called "elites" of both states. Coercion remains, moreover, beneficial, if you look, just for the Ukrainians, whom you are so pleased about.
              I just strongly (strongly!) Once again recommend specifically to you to read Aslamova’s recent expanded article in Komsomolskaya Pravda, you can quickly find it there in a search engine, the title is something like “Why Moscow and Kiev cannot build a new USSR”. I just do not want to repeat what is written there quite intelligently, without cleverness, cleverness, but it is written just on the topic under discussion.
              Yes, more. Tariffs will be increased on July 01.07.2012, 01.01, and not on January XNUMX, but not so sensitive to write about it as about the end of the world. I don’t like this either, but I won’t because of this call for universal violence for the sake of a new “revolution”, to the delight of our enemies. That is my answer to you.
              1. Splin
                Splin 20 September 2011 21: 33 New
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                I’ll wedge myself into the conversation. Followed the advice. I read the article. But I emphasized more from her interview. In general, I follow the intonation of a person in a conversation. Well what to say. The conversation of a woman rejected by a peasant is such an insult in her voice. Again taken out of context facts. Although judging by her words, she has access to ministerial secrets. in Ukraine., but in fact I did not hear anything. There, the second uncle called live. He was right. Not reasoned, unproven, but the right basis.
                And the aunt honestly lies, turning the facts. I have a direct relationship with political scientists. Who wants, he says. Of course, who sees only one side of the coin there is nothing for him to cover.
                1. mitrich
                  mitrich 20 September 2011 22: 21 New
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                  Splin,
                  You are probably a resident of Ukraine, most likely a resident of Kiev. Guessed?
                  You do not pay attention to the personality of D. Aslamova. She b ... d, and in the literal sense of the word (I had the pleasure to follow her work, to whom only she did not give wink!). The Dnieper observations of the author themselves are interesting, as it were, the everyday view of the state of affairs. I read only the article, I did not watch the video interview.
                  1. Splin
                    Splin 20 September 2011 22: 34 New
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                    I have 2 small Rodina-Odessa and Donetsk. By such parameters, it is difficult to say that I am Russophobe. I gnaw with my oponets, here inside. I can not stand the nationalists. But when they offend my country from outside, then I become no less a patriot than those in embroidered shirts. Only it is necessary to fight with reason, and not like Sailors thoughtlessly, but bravely at embrasures.
            2. Bogatir
              Bogatir 21 September 2011 18: 03 New
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              Quote: stas
              The price of gas for Ukraine has nothing to do with patriotism.

              - It has. When the horde is without an economy, it tries to milk my state. Solid patriotism overshadows everything.
              By the way, know that every gas terrorist war will give you more reasons to ponder about the myth of "brotherhood" and your historical loneliness.
              1. Banshee 21 September 2011 20: 32 New
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                No, well, you do ... This is the market, to which everyone so rushed through the corpse of the USSR. Here it is in all its manifestations: the price is not comfortable - walk around the market, bargain. Buy from those who are cheaper.
              2. Banshee 21 September 2011 20: 34 New
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                No, well, you do ... This is the market, to which everyone so rushed through the corpse of the USSR. Here it is in all its manifestations: the price is not comfortable - walk around the market, bargain. Buy from those who are cheaper.
          2. Bogatir
            Bogatir 21 September 2011 18: 06 New
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            Quote: mitrich
            Firstly, you should at least a little understanding of the essence of gas disputes between Russia and Ukraine, because you, in fact, do not blame GDP

            - Exactly. And with Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Italy, Latvia, Germany, Bulgaria, Turkey, etc.
            All these wars are Russian state terrorism. Well, the boomerang will return ...
            1. ytqnhfk
              ytqnhfk 21 September 2011 20: 53 New
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              YES it turns out there is even worse than the local aktsium, etc.! One field of their berry would pit these Mososek!
        3. Bogatir
          Bogatir 21 September 2011 18: 07 New
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          Quote: stas
          We are one people, with one culture and one Faith.

          And the churches are different, both culture and history.
      2. Sergh
        Sergh 20 September 2011 11: 13 New
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        Splin, I also traveled across Kazakhstan and one in one of your words, they built at each post. Well, why, I'm not offended at the terminal. After all, they were simple stupid Kazakhs, by the way there are few of them, the same in Russia, and everywhere. How?
        1. Splin
          Splin 20 September 2011 11: 28 New
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          I do not want to offend people. But aren't these the majority? And with the opinion of the majority, the whole is formed. I walk with a cane (for which I have an increased love of the police), when they even stopped me in Caracas, they asked me where I was from. And no passport. And I am silent about Europe. They even offered help. Why is the "fraternal" Russia, I get a different effect?
        2. Splin
          Splin 20 September 2011 12: 02 New
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          In pursuit of the topic. A stupid person then draws information from only one official source. So the Prince thinks so (President, Prime Minister is not important).
          1. Sergh
            Sergh 20 September 2011 13: 00 New
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            C'mon Splin, full of those. The main thing we understood each other! And how many, you say people, so let others think that the main thing is not to shout into the empty AU-AU bucket. I, too, am the 2nd dozen, but I see black from white with what, how. So sleep well, everything is OK with us! Pore, sprinkle with saliva, but calm down, anyway, go to the Pindos together ... do not even argue!
      3. Bogatir
        Bogatir 21 September 2011 18: 09 New
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        Quote: Splin
        I completely agree with Bismarck. The question of abuse is redundant.

        - I, too, but I don’t see the need to inject intellectual and cultural potential into someone. As well as prolonging the agony of someone’s empire - at the expense of my state.
    2. huginn 20 September 2011 18: 46 New
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      We must remember one more statement by Bismarck: “Do not hope that once you take advantage of the weakness of Russia, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come, don’t rely on the Jesuit agreements that you allegedly justify you. They’re not worth it of the paper on which they are written. Therefore, it’s worth playing with the Russians honestly or not at all "
  7. Sergh
    Sergh 20 September 2011 11: 04 New
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    Wow cool! Immediately the film is recalled "Change the meeting place ...", where Dzhigarkhanyan: "... well, what can you say ... you can’t see a woman, she sees with her heart ...". Played, but dizzy. but they didn’t even remember about the people. Cowhide wars are very dangerous, a double-edged sword. Well, in a year or so there will clearly be something, wait, we will not rush. But pitchforks are looming to someone!
    1. Graaf
      Graaf 20 September 2011 14: 34 New
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      Sergh
      ... Vitrenko is not a woman, grandmother. and with frequent mental disorders. In Ukrian it’s not a secret for anyone that she is insane, that she has been using the clinic for a long time in Frunze, in Kiev, where by the way her two daughters with similar diagnoses lie. They do not pay attention to her, but in the Russian Federation she is presented as a fiery fighter with the regime. Here are just the modes we have changed every 2 last years, and Vitrenchikha for some reason does not change. It is financed by the Embassy of the Russian Federation in Ukraine; she herself spoke about this more than once, at meetings in Crimea with her party members. You should have seen these members of the same party. Old, elderly people who can’t live without the Soviet Union (I won’t say anything - I lived in it myself), whom she carries around Ukraine. To my question to one such grandfather (The case was last summer in Crimea) - Do you need it? There was just a muber answer - Son, because you pay money, they feed, they give a bed, we ride all over Ukraine, we buy tickets. And I could not travel the USSR as much as now. And they also went to Moscow ... a dumb scene!
      And you say a woman !? She must go to Durkah again, on Frunze. Autumn exacerbation has begun. It lay all spring, and now woof ... but it again surfaced, again the granny came to see ... Laughter and sin!
      1. Splin
        Splin 20 September 2011 15: 01 New
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        This open letter and its PR in the Russian press are a bit reminiscent of how the Soviet newspapers used to reprint some sort of Dennver Socialist leaflet, which was read by ten people by force, which spoke about the strike of supermarket workers and was attributed to the column “Based on materials from the foreign press”.
  8. dmb
    dmb 20 September 2011 11: 26 New
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    "Your domestic and foreign policy, in contrast to your election promises, turned out to be false, unprofessional, and treacherous. The whole point of your economic and social reforms is the sale of state property to your party oligarchs, and the robbery of the people of Ukraine by beggary salaries and pensions, pension reform, and deprivation of law privileges, constant inflation of prices and tariffs for the population. " Replace "Ukraine" with "Russia" - are there any differences?
    1. Gogaskr
      Gogaskr 20 September 2011 11: 56 New
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      THE DIFFERENCES ARE! YOU LIVE IN RUSSIA - PINDOVSKY HORN.
      1. zczczc
        zczczc 21 September 2011 04: 11 New
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        Guys, let's just ask to ban a person with fascist symbols or at least repaint an avatar !? Who cares what he writes, you don’t advertise swastikas here ...
        1. Foamas 21 September 2011 04: 22 New
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          Oops !! "Communist" fit in with the Nazis - progress!
    2. Bogatir
      Bogatir 21 September 2011 17: 59 New
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      Look at your shepherds.
      Representatives of the Kremlin - I still have to tell about false politics.
  9. merkawa
    merkawa 20 September 2011 12: 40 New
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    You really have to argue, some brothers (Ukrainian) got involved (or try to get in touch) with others (Russians) about their fallen happiness (gas, oil, etc.) and both need to solve their problems, but they don’t need that. people also want to stick to this analysis. That's the media and this is exaggerated into the hands of both.
  10. stas 20 September 2011 12: 46 New
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    I do not know how Vitrenko’s appeal to Yanukovych or Azarov influenced, but today in the Russian newspaper, official information is given as follows;
    "Ukraine is ready for compromises on the gas contract with Russia, which will be launched during the visit of President Viktor Yanukovych to Moscow on 24 on September 2011 of the year."
    1. Splin
      Splin 20 September 2011 12: 49 New
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      In Ukraine, it was announced yesterday, without any letter. How will it be, see. We talked about compromises earlier, only a little of this came out in Sochi.
      1. Bogatir
        Bogatir 21 September 2011 17: 56 New
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        Ooo, in Sochi, Yanukovych came in shock from the chauvinist attitude of the Russian representatives "in high-heeled shoes."
    2. Graaf
      Graaf 20 September 2011 14: 27 New
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      ... all this, about Ukraine, is ready ... both parties will be ready for compromises, provided that one gives in to the other. What unfortunately does not happen, I can argue with anyone. In October there will be a session with the EU in the Free Trade Zone, and right here in the Russian press articles of the old Soviet model pop up ... a fiery wrestler Luis Corvalan and atk further. Kindergarten - by golly!
    3. Bogatir
      Bogatir 21 September 2011 17: 57 New
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      This is common diplomatic rhetoric. The bottom line - in Tashkent it was necessary to watch.
  11. DEfindER 20 September 2011 14: 25 New
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    But don’t you guess why it is suddenly the fraternal peoples, who were one whole thousand years old, who suddenly began to treat each other so badly? Himself noticed how wary of Ukrainians in Russia and vice versa, and honestly honestly terribly ashamed of this! It’s clear that without artificial interference this is simply impossible, the war has been going on for a long time, and the words of Bismarck are well known not only to us but also to our friends from the Pentagon!
    1. Bogatir
      Bogatir 21 September 2011 17: 54 New
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      Ukraine and Russia are different.
      1. Victor 21 September 2011 22: 20 New
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        And Ilya Muromets, whose relics are in the Kiev Pechersk Lavra, whose is it, Russian or Ukrainian? He comes from the Russian city of Murom, and defended the capital city of Kiev! "You are a hero, answer if you can.
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          Bogatir 22 September 2011 10: 48 New
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          Ilya Muromets, according to one version, plausible versions - from Murom of Chernihiv. What is confirmed by the scriptures is that he left his city and reached Kiev in a day. Murom-city in your concept is a Finnish-Ugric settlement.
          There is also an opinion that epics about three heroes (which by the way could not have been with a spread of 200 years) came to the Moscow kingdom with Ukrainian settlers who fled from Kiev lands during the devastation of Kievan Rus during the Golden Horde in the 14th century.
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          Bogatir 22 September 2011 10: 49 New
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          Ilya Muromets, according to one version, plausible versions - from Murom of Chernihiv. What is confirmed by the scriptures is that he left his city and reached Kiev in a day. Murom-city in your concept is a Finnish-Ugric settlement.
          There is also an opinion that epics about three heroes (which by the way could not have been with a spread of 200 years) came to the Moscow kingdom with Ukrainian settlers who fled from Kiev lands during the devastation of Kievan Rus during the Golden Horde in the 14th century.
        3. Bogatir
          Bogatir 22 September 2011 10: 50 New
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          Ilya Muromets, according to one version, plausible versions - from Murom of Chernihiv. What is confirmed by the scriptures is that he left his city and reached Kiev in a day. Murom-city in your concept is a Finnish-Ugric settlement.
          There is also an opinion that epics about three heroes (which by the way could not have been with a spread of 200 years) came to the Moscow kingdom with Ukrainian settlers who fled from Kiev lands during the devastation of Kievan Rus during the Golden Horde in the 14th century.
  12. Banshee 20 September 2011 22: 07 New
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    Today on the radio in the evening they said about Azarov’s statement that there would be no compromise. There will be a visit of Yanukovych to Moscow, and they will discuss everything there.
    1. Bogatir
      Bogatir 21 September 2011 17: 54 New
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      And what is the compromise? - Milking the prohibitive terrorist-speculative gas prices of the “brothers of Ukrainians”, against the background of the impending financial problems of the Russian Federation.
      Manal I - such a "brotherly love."
      1. Banshee 21 September 2011 20: 35 New
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        When they signed the contract, they were not speculative for some reason.
  13. montemor 21 September 2011 02: 00 New
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    Brothers, oh well, all of them in w ...... y, Russian and Ukrainian, brothers forever, otherwise, the edge !!!!!
    1. Bogatir
      Bogatir 21 September 2011 17: 50 New
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      I would say this - the neighbors from whom we are not going anywhere. "Brothers" - I called for such Kremlin relatives ...
  14. Sobibor
    Sobibor 21 September 2011 18: 17 New
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    Know Mosca you bark strong once on an elephant.

    You can’t say anything different about Vitrenko - the maximum rating of her political force was 2%, now she won’t gain 1%
  15. Bogatir
    Bogatir 21 September 2011 18: 25 New
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    Pressure rises, or Moscow's gas tantrum
    Another surge of gas passions from Moscow looks like a clear hysteria. Moreover, it was caused by the Kremlin’s not eternal desire to take control of the Ukrainian gas transportation system, and preferably with all of Ukraine in addition. Moscow is trying to alleviate its continuously deteriorating financial and economic situation at the expense of Ukraine in general and the predatory gas contract in particular. According to some experts, Russia is plunging into a recession caused by both the aggravation of internal socio-economic contradictions and the global financial crisis.
    GAS PRESS!

    Oil is getting cheaper, and after it will be cheaper gas, the prices of which are tied to oil prices. If the oil price remains at around $ 110 per barrel, experts say Russia will feel more or less confident, but due to another bout of the global crisis, Brent oil prices will slide to $ 100 per barrel and show a tendency to further decline, because futures contracts are already at a price of $ 80 per barrel. For Russia, this means a reduction in social programs, salaries, pensions, and tariffs and taxes. In a situation of extreme tension in Russian society, this is fraught with serious disasters, because the unshakable rule “le contract sociale a la Russe” is violated - loyalty of the lower classes in response to the relative material well-being provided by the upper classes.

    In addition, elections of deputies of the State Duma and the president are approaching. The first will take place in December 2011, and the second in March 2012. The election results are a foregone conclusion, for, to paraphrase Leonid Kuchma, Russia is not Ukraine. But not everything is so simple and simple. Moscow can’t make any concessions to Ukraine in the price of gas, because Russia is going to raise gas tariffs for its population. It turns out that Ukraine is reducing the price, but raising it? Reduce - bye! - And the gas price for Belarus, but Belarusians give their property in the form of a gas transmission system, but Ukraine does not want to give anything, and the Kremlin will not be able to explain to its subjects the reasons for lowering the price for Ukraine.

    In traditional European gas markets, the situation for Russia is getting worse. Gazprom has always “left” on stable long-term contracts with formulas tied to oil products and an indispensable take-or-pay condition, as in the case of the scandalous contract with Naftogaz. But that was good during the economic boom, and now the situation has changed. Gas presses on the European market under the so-called spot, that is, short-term and limited in volume, but numerous contracts, where the price is much lower. In addition, Europeans are increasingly annoyed by the “take or pay” condition; they are willing to pay upon the actual need for gas. Thus, the beloved Gazprom scheme with long-term multi-year contracts is cracking at all seams, and this is already beginning to be recognized in Russia itself.

    At the moment, a trial is ongoing in European courts between Gazprom and one of its largest partners - the Italian corporation ENI. Following the Italians lined up other major customers of Gazprom - German E.ON and Ruhrgaz, the French Gaz de France, as well as other major buyers of gas. Moreover, among the dissatisfied there are European gas companies whose shareholders include Gazprom or its subsidiaries. Life itself dictates to Gazprom the need to be more flexible and make concessions to Europe. Yielding to Europe, the Kremlin is trying to compensate for losses on the European front at the expense of Ukraine and its citizens.

    TO AGREE AMAZING. WITHOUT VESSELS

    In these conditions, giving way to Ukraine is to give Europeans an additional trump card. In addition, Gazprom and the Kremlin are very afraid of public litigation in the Ukrainian direction, because it is here that a critical mass of corrupt "dirty laundry" is concentrated. First of all, it concerns RosUkrEnergo - if they start to dig under it, then information about the unseemly acts of the top leadership of Russia and even, possibly, personally Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, who again marks for the presidency of the Russian Federation, may become public knowledge.

    Ex-Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko added fuel to the fire, suing the New York court against the illegal acts of RosUkrEnergo and personally Dmitry Firtash. If this court, in accordance with the requirements of American law, finds legal grounds for extending its jurisdiction to RUE and Firtash - and the US intelligence agencies will help this court - this will have very serious consequences for the Russian top in terms of discrediting it.

    Therefore, the threats of Russia to file a counterclaim in case of Ukraine's appeal to the court do not sound too convincing. The fear of litigation is evidenced by the fact that after a massive information shootout on September 5, Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs Sergey Lavrov, at a meeting with his Ukrainian counterpart Konstantin Grishchenko, switched to a soothing tone: say, let's slow down and try to make an amicable agreement again. To which Konstantin Grishchenko politely replied that the Ukrainian side has reason enough for the court, but, they say, let's try again to reach an amicable agreement without ships.

    At the same time, hysterical voices sounded in Moscow, demanding the cancellation of the $ 100 discount on gas received by Kiev as a result of the scandalous "Kharkov agreements." And here Russia, as they say, "will be a bummer." The fact is that the discount clause was introduced into the gas contract in exchange for ratification by the Verkhovna Rada of amendments to the “big interstate agreement” on extending the stay of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol for another 25 years, that is, somewhere until the middle of this century. Ratification, recall, occurred on April 24, 2010 with massacre, smoke bombs and other special effects. The Verkhovna Rada can denounce this addition to the interstate agreement easily and simply, especially since it is very doubtful from the point of view of the Constitution. But Russia will be able to change the discount clause in the gas contract only in the famous Stockholm arbitration.

    AND YOURSELF ... WITH GAS

    Against this background, a very funny statement was made by the Minister of Fuel and Energy Yuri Boyko. He said that Ukraine will increase its own gas production and steadily reduce Russian gas consumption, even despite the clause of the gas contract that demands "take or pay" under penalty of penalties in the amount of almost 300 percent. from the contract value of the short / underpaid gas.

    By the way, according to rumors, Boyko arrogantly promised that he would be able to negotiate with Gazprom to lower the price of gas, but he didn’t do it, and now Bankova is blamed for the current aggravation of relations with Russia. At the same time, Boyko said that if Gazprom insists on choosing the entire amount of gas stipulated by the contract, Naftogaz will do this and pump it into its storage facilities, but will enter the European gas market selling its own gas, which is about 20 billion cubes per year. By this, Boyko hints that Naftogaz is ready to create competition for Gazprom.

    It should be noted here that Naftogaz buys gas from its subsidiary gas producers at a price not exceeding $ 100 per thousand cubic meters, and therefore can really “spoil” the Gazprom market with spot deals at relatively low prices, for example, during peak periods of the heating season .

    Actually, this is a pretty strong move, but not so simple. The fact is that in many European gas companies Gazprom and / or its subsidiaries are shareholders. And it is not a fact that European gas traders, under pressure from Moscow, will agree to buy fuel from Naftogaz, even if it will be cheaper. But, on the other hand, European gas companies, although they make friendship with Gazprom, do not always dance to its tune, realizing that this leads to a dangerous dependence on Moscow.

    At the time of this writing, there was nothing known about the Kremlin’s reaction to this statement by Yuri Boyko. It is possible that Moscow is studying this issue in detail, because the appearance of up to 20 billion cubic meters of spot gas on the European market, although not critical, can seriously affect the situation not in favor of Gazprom.
    Moscow’s nervous reaction also manifested itself during the model launch of industrial gas into the Russian-German Nord Stream gas pipeline. Vladimir Putin, with due theatricality in front of television cameras, said that after he solemnly pressed the button with his finger, Ukraine had lost the exclusive position of the transit country. A closer look reveals that this is a bluff, and in the near future Gazprom will not get anywhere from the Ukrainian gas transmission system.
    In general, the Ukrainian-Russian gas relations are becoming less constructive and more and more psychopathological in nature, and there is reason to believe that more than one hysteria awaits us ...
  16. Bogatir
    Bogatir 21 September 2011 18: 26 New
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    Opinions: WHERE WILL UKRAINE GO TO THE CUSTOMS UNION OR EUROPE?

    Zoya Aleksandrovna, gardener, in the past - engineer: “We need to stick to Europe. Russia throughout all our twenty years of independence has repeatedly shown that it wants to rule Ukraine. You have to keep an eye on it, because you don’t believe in the“ Slav brothers ” first of all, it is not us, and if we talk about gas or oil, the Kremlin itself has already said everything — that is, “figs to you.” So now, to humble ourselves and bow down? I think that the answer should be adequate. state?"

    Ada Pavlovna, a pensioner: “The Russian Federation - with its gas, oil and claims - will last for 15-20 years. They themselves understand this well. But if we talk about geopolitics, during this time Russia wants to gobble up everyone who can. Ukraine is on the list, and if our government, which has something from now, wants to see a country that, figuratively speaking, is “cartilage chewed and spit out,” then maybe it will succeed. That's just how long it will take "We need Europe with its integrated schemes. We are really stronger economically than the same Greece, Slovakia or Romania. They just don’t believe in us as a politically stable country. And then Russia is the usurer brothers!"

    Vitaly, builder: “We need Europe. And the Russian Customs Union is just an element of pressure. Yes, Russian gas will not prevent Ukraine from earning, but only when Ukrainian businessmen stop pumping it into Western pipes. I read in the newspapers that our gas is worth no more than $ 100 per thousand cubic meters. And we extract it almost 20 billion cubic meters per year. Sorry, if this is true, then why should we pay three times as much for the Russian? Maybe our "under-oligarchs" stop stealing? After all, they "Apparently, they want us to pay for their costs and determine their profit again? In Europe, things are not done like this. Let it not be paradise, but still not a Kremlin dictatorship."

    http://mignews.com.ua/ru/articles/86609.html
    1. ytqnhfk
      ytqnhfk 22 September 2011 00: 46 New
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      YOU AND THE ROAD ARE RIGHT TO "PARADISE" There are already many countries in this paradise: Greece, Italy, Spain, Latvia! FORWARD EAGLES to a brighter future !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    2. ytqnhfk
      ytqnhfk 22 September 2011 10: 56 New
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      Bogatir, We are really stronger economically than the same Greece, Slovakia or Romania. It’s just that they don’t believe in us as in a politically stable country. Misconception !!!!! In the lists of bankrupt it is the same Italy! How much production does she have in her car of rags for household appliances, etc. d! With what you WILL COME TO THIS MARKET! ???? .With coal? Well, you will be like Russia! - an appendage is a supplier, only we can still do a lot of things (space, weapons, nanotechnology! and so on! !!))
    3. bistrov. 25 January 2012 17: 35 New
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      Now, from the height of the past months, all the forecasts of the Bogatyr turned into an ordinary zilch! Europe does not need Ukraine, there are enough of its problems, it is about to fall apart. Of course, Europe would have taken away Ukraine, but only its land and natural resources, which it lacks so much, but without the Ukrainians, have enough of their own freebies. Therefore, they will wait another 20-30 years, until 20-30 million Ukrainians die, and the rest, who by this time will finally become nerds, drug addicts and alcoholics. Then come to the eurozone, if it will certainly be at this point. And as for the competitor, Gazprom Naftogaz is also not justified, despite all Boyko’s laudatory assurances, it turned out at present and for at least another 20 years that there is no real alternative to Russian gas, but there is a prospect for the Ukrainian GTS to remain empty, i.e. with a nose, because the completion of the Nord Stream is in full swing and the construction of the South Stream is about to begin, all approvals have been completed. And the prospect of lowering oil prices is also not justified, because with the well-known events in North Africa its production has fallen once, and in general there is a global tendency to increase the cost of energy resources-two. And as for public opinion about the European vector of Ukraine, my grandmother also said for two, I can give dozens of real opposite examples, you didn’t hold a referendum, no? And I can give a real forecast that in the near future the Ukrainian gas transport system will be sold to Russia, and after that Ukraine will join the Customs Union. Hello family!
  17. Bogatir
    Bogatir 21 September 2011 18: 37 New
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    The history of gas wars between Russia and its neighbors

    Good-neighborly relations between Russia and other countries of the former USSR are sometimes overshadowed by gas disputes.

    On February 25, 2000 Gazprom completely stopped supplying gas to Moldova, whose debt reached $ 300 million. On March 2, deliveries were resumed in exchange for Chisinau's promise to pay shares in Moldovagaz. However, these negotiations were unsuccessful, and soon Gazprom increased the price for Moldova to the maximum in the CIS of $ 80 per 1 cubic meters. m

    On January 1, 2004, Gazprom cut off gas supplies to Belarus due to Minsk’s refusal to create a joint venture based on Beltransgaz and pay $ 50 per 1 cubic meters for gas. m instead of $ 40. February 18, Gazprom for the first time almost a day interrupted the transit of gas to Europe. The next day, under pressure from the EU, the parties settled the dispute, agreeing to a compromise price of $ 46,68.

    On December 31, 2004, Turkmenistan cut off gas supplies to Russia and Ukraine, citing gas pipeline repairs and seeking a price increase from $ 44 to $ 60 per 1 cubic meters. m. On January 3, Kiev signed a contract with the Turkmens for deliveries at $ 58 per 1 cubic meters. m, and Gazprom refused to negotiate. Gas supply to Russia resumed on January 10 at the old price.

    On March 29, 2005, Gazprom announced an increase in gas tariffs for Belarus by 2006% since 11. Negotiations on the price continued until the end of the year, and only on December 19 the prime ministers Mikhail Fradkov and Sergey Sidorsky agreed to maintain the previous price of $ 46,68 per 1 thousand cubic meters. m. In exchange, Minsk promised to give Gazprom 50% of Beltransgaz.

    On January 1, 2006, Gazprom stopped supplying gas to Ukraine, which did not want to conclude a contract at new prices ($ 230 per 1 cubic meters instead of $ 50). In response, Kiev began taking gas from transit to Europe. On January 2, Gazprom restored full supply, and on January 4, the parties signed a new contract to supply Ukraine with a mixture of expensive Russian and cheap Central Asian gas at $ 95.

    On May 4, 2006 Gazprom announced an increase in gas prices for Lithuania from July 1 from $ 105 to $ 135 per 1 cubic meters. m. This decision was made amid calls by the President of this country Valdas Adamkus to create a united front against the construction of the North European Gas Pipeline. In response, Lithuania announced a proportional increase in the tariff for gas transit to Kaliningrad.

    On December 31, 2008, Russia and Ukraine again failed to agree on terms of gas supplies. The reason for the dispute was the intention of Gazprom to raise the price for Kiev to the European level of $ 450 per 1 thousand cubic meters. On January 1, 2009, Russia cut off gas supplies to Ukraine, and on January 7, it cut off transit to Europe for several days. January 19, the premieres of Vladimir Putin and Yulia Tymoshenko agreed on a price of $ 450 per 1 thousand cubic meters. m. with a 20 percent discount in 2009. In 2010, Moscow agreed to sell gas to Kiev at a 30% discount under the guarantee that the Russian Black Sea Fleet will stay in Sevastopol until 2042. In 2011, the contract concluded by Yulia Tymoshenko became the reason for her criminal prosecution.

    On April 9, 2009, an explosion occurred in Turkmenistan on the Central Asia-Center gas pipeline, which stopped the supply of Turkmen gas to Russia. Ashkhabad accused Gazprom of emergency, which without warning sharply reduced gas withdrawal. The pipe was repaired in May, but Gazprom did not resume purchases, trying to bring down the price from $ 375 per 1 cubic meters. m. In December, the parties agreed on the purchase by Russia of 10-12 billion cubic meters. m at $ 200 per 1 thousand cubic meters. m

    On June 21, 2010 Gazprom limited the supply of gas to Belarus due to a debt of $ 187 million. In response, Minsk issued Russia an invoice of $ 260 million for the transit of Russian gas at a new tariff rate and limited transit to Lithuania. On June 24, Belarus transferred $ 187 million to Russia, and Gazprom in return - $ 228 million, after which supplies resumed.

    Starting January 1, 2011, Gazprom increased the price of gas for Lithuania by 3%, and for Estonia and Latvia, due to the growth in consumption in these countries, it decreased by 15%. On January 25, the Ministry of Energy of Lithuania asked the European Commission to conduct an antitrust investigation against Gazprom, accusing it of overpricing, and later threatened to deprive the Russian company of a 37% stake in gas network operator Lietuvos dujos. On June 14, Gazprom challenged an attempt to reorganize the Lietuvos dujos in the Stockholm arbitration, after which Lithuania postponed it until June 2013.