Yanukovych and Azarov accused of fomenting a war between Ukraine and Russia

Appeal of the Presidium of the Central Committee of the PSPU to the President of Ukraine V. Yanukovych and Prime Minister N. Azarov “Stop setting fire to the gas war with Russia!”, Which is fully cited below:

"Victor Fedorovich and Nikolay Yanovich!

Your domestic and foreign policy, in contrast to your election promises, turned out to be deceitful, unprofessional, and treacherous. The whole essence of your economic and social reforms is the sale of state property to your fellow party oligarchs, and the plundering of the people of Ukraine with penniless wages and pensions, pension reform, deprivation of legal benefits, constant inflation of prices and tariffs for the population.

Do you understand that our people are not just disappointed in your work, but are starting to hate you?

We know that you are advised by American political consultants who have worked in the United States to pacify their people by manipulating their consciousness, switching their attention to other problems. All US presidents in running for a second term incited wars in different parts of the world. To consolidate your people and increase your own rating.

You are applying this political method now, setting fire to the war with Russia, exposing it endless ultimatums, forming from Russia in the minds of our people not just the culprit of all misfortunes, but the image of the enemy.

The Presidium of the PSPU Central Committee considers the perpetrators and instigators of the war with Russia to you personally, as well as your predecessors, Yushchenko and Tymoshenko. You carry out someone else's political order, which is fraught with large-scale disasters for Ukraine and our people.

As for the main problem for which you are making claims to Russia: the price of gas. Yes, the price is high, very heavy for our economy. But in connection with what there was such a price? Who initiated the revision of gas agreements under which Ukraine received gas from Russia for 50 dollars / 1000 cubic meters and in connection with what?

The truth is that the initiators of the revision of the gas agreements were the Ukrainian authorities. And we must honestly tell our people why they began to revise these agreements. The truthful answer is that Ukraine decided to join the WTO and voluntarily assumed obligations to fulfill the conditions of the WTO and consume gas at world prices. This is your PR faction, in the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, being in opposition to 4 on April 2008, supported the Orange power with all its votes and voted for joining the WTO! Among those 411 deputies are your personal voices, Viktor Fedorovich and Nikolai Yanovich.

Therefore, the gas contract from January 19 2009 between Naftogaz and Gazprom is the implementation of WTO requirements, and not an ultimatum to Russia.

The Russian Federation offers specific options for a radical reduction in gas prices: joining the Customs Union, creating a gas consortium.

But you, fulfilling your obligations to the West on the European integration of Ukraine and joining NATO, you, precisely you, are refusing lucrative offers to lower gas prices. Raising gas prices for the population, fulfilling the requirements of the IMF for the sake of getting another loan, you are again lying that Russia is to blame.

Guilty you! But throwing our people at the millstones of the struggle provoking a war. You continue the traditions of the national fascists of Ukraine. Stop! We are all the responsibility for inciting war with Russia, and for its consequences, we assign to you.

Chairman of the Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine (PSPU) N. Vitrenko

Comments

[MichaelVl]

Uhhh, how many comments this article will collect!

[KuigoroZHIK]

and there’s nothing to say. everything is correct, everything is correct and on the shelves. With such speeches in the zombie-box ....... Duc would not let the corrupt bastards ....

[ytqnhfk]

It smells like a move, but otherwise it’s very plausible at the expense of WTO prices, it’s true that Westerners will not let you speculate on a freebie !!!

[Tyumen]

And there will be no more.

[Tyumen]

And there will be no more.

[Tyumen]

And there will be no more.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Cleverly written, without tantrums and to the point. Of course, it would be nice to eat fish and ... gas on the cheap. But, despite the personal negative to the modern government, thank God that our brains are fine in this regard.

Well, it does not happen that both ours and theirs. And in the WTO, and gas on the cheap.

Although ... (you can imagine this) in exchange for one piece of land ... (primordially Russian, by the way) ... it could be. Utopia, of course, but as an option, you will give us the Crimea back, and we will flood you ... we gasp.

I understand that and not a ride.

[Splin]

Turkish is a piece. under the Kuchuk-Kainardzhsky treaty, Catherine then joined him.

[SLAVA]

)))) Why only Crimea! ???? All Ukraine to join, the people are one! Sorry, besides the Zapodnians, they should be granted independence and let them boil in their homna))))

[Graaf]

... and the elastic in his underwear will not burst, after such an attachment? The people are one, only in 20 years, he (the people of Ukraine) has changed a lot.

[ytqnhfk]

I would like to speak about the annexation of Ukraine; The country has been living for 20 years without an alliance with us, in my opinion there is no need to pull them towards you, they wanted independence, we gave it to them, so why "back and forth?" consider to the end the issue of the territory, if necessary, buy something, or negotiate !! - other issues on an equal footing with everyone !!! Well, the people of course will lose a lot, but speculation about this is already boring. It's like inciting war !!!

[Bogatir]

Quote: ytqnhfk

they wanted independence, we gave it to them

- some - "given". Who are you - Napoleon.
It is true that in 91 the troops subjugated themselves, prevented the withdrawal of the latest weapons, closed the border, etc. - by sending Yeltsin and Co. to Gazprom.

[Ivan35]

the most correct comment in my opinion is Glory
Let's start sharing the Crimea, etc. - many Ukrainians will turn their backs - we must strive for reunification with the whole of Ukraine (you can perhaps without one small part - you know which one)
Sorry for the repetitions - but it is impossible for us - ordinary people to transfer anti-Ukrainian or anti-Russian rhetoric to each other in the media - let the "gentlemen fight"

Putin is trying to annex Ukraine to the CU and then possibly to the CES of the three republics - it seems to me that all patriots and even communists should support him in this - here I think the interests of the peoples and the "Kremlin oligarchs" coincide - what happens in history

[Bogatir]

Quote: Ivan35

Putin is trying to annex Ukraine to the CU and then possibly to the CES of the three republics - it seems to me that all patriots and even communists should support him in this - here I think the interests of the peoples and the "Kremlin oligarchs" coincide - what happens in history

- You forgot the rest to ask ...

[Bogatir]

Quote: SLAVA

)))) Why only Crimea! ???? All Ukraine to join, the people are one! Sorry, besides the Zapodnians, they should be granted independence and let them boil in their homna))))

- No! We are different nations - so cook in your own (where you yourself know)

[oper66]

where is there a piece of Crimea Russia got in the war with the Turks and the "wild field", eastern Ukraine is a truly Russian land, it is just necessary to abolish the administrative borders, everything except the zapodenschina there is not Ukrainians but reincarnated hybrid of a mixture of Austrians and Hungarians on Polish shivers

[oper66]

where is there a piece of Crimea Russia got in the war with the Turks and the "wild field", eastern Ukraine is a truly Russian land, it is just necessary to abolish the administrative borders, everything except the zapodenschina there is not Ukrainians but reincarnated hybrid of a mixture of Austrians and Hungarians on Polish shivers

[Bogatir]

Quote: oper66

Crimea Russia got in the war with the Turks and the "wild field", eastern Ukraine and truly Russian land

- No. Voronezh, Belgorod, Kursk regions - illegally donated by Khrushchev of the Russian Federation. Also Kuban - Ukrainian lands.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

If anything, Voronezh was founded by voivod Saburov according to the Tsar's order of Tsar Fyodor Ivanovich in 1586. As far as I know, this is a Russian ruler. Accordingly, Khrushchev was not in the business at all. And he could not donate the RSFSR to the Voronezh Region, since since 1586 (at least) it has been Russian territory.

Quote: Bogatir

Also Kuban - Ukrainian lands.

Che so weak? Dagestan with Chechnya do not want at the same time?

[KASKAD]

Right! need to change Crimea to Chechnya

[Roman Skomorokhov]

If anything, Voronezh was founded by voivod Saburov according to the Tsar's order of Tsar Fyodor Ivanovich in 1586. As far as I know, this is a Russian ruler. Accordingly, Khrushchev was not in the business at all. And he could not donate the RSFSR to the Voronezh Region, since since 1586 (at least) it has been Russian territory.

Quote: Bogatir

Also Kuban - Ukrainian lands.

Che so weak? Dagestan with Chechnya do not want at the same time?

[Roman Skomorokhov]

If anything, Voronezh was founded by voivod Saburov according to the Tsar's order of Tsar Fyodor Ivanovich in 1586. As far as I know, this is a Russian ruler. Accordingly, Khrushchev was not in the business at all. And he could not donate the RSFSR to the Voronezh Region, since since 1586 (at least) it has been Russian territory.

Quote: Bogatir

Also Kuban - Ukrainian lands.

Che so weak? Dagestan with Chechnya do not want at the same time?

[oper66]

where is there a piece of Crimea Russia got in the war with the Turks and the "wild field", eastern Ukraine is a truly Russian land, it is just necessary to abolish the administrative borders, everything except the zapodenschina there is not Ukrainians but reincarnated hybrid of a mixture of Austrians and Hungarians on Polish shivers

[oper66]

where is there a piece of Crimea Russia got in the war with the Turks and the "wild field", eastern Ukraine is a truly Russian land, it is just necessary to abolish the administrative borders, everything except the zapodenschina there is not Ukrainians but reincarnated hybrid of a mixture of Austrians and Hungarians on Polish shivers

[oper66]

where is there a piece of Crimea Russia got in the war with the Turks and the "wild field", eastern Ukraine is a truly Russian land, it is just necessary to abolish the administrative borders, everything except the zapodenschina there is not Ukrainians but reincarnated hybrid of a mixture of Austrians and Hungarians on Polish shivers

[Splin]

Well, yes, Vitrenchikha has always been famous for inadequacy. Her party members too. She is ready to give her life for Russia, and what has she done for Ukraine over the past 15 years. Only in 2009, its people stopped the NATO exercises, which took place without a decision of the Verkhovna Rada - that's all. Her rhetoric is reminiscent of the Galician rhetoric, only directed in the other direction. As they shout in Western Ukraine, "Let's completely lie under the West, and there at least everything is on fire." Exactly the same proposal comes from her towards Russia. And with the "whore" which they want to make Ukraine and those (Westerners) and Vitrenko no one will reckon! An open letter-eka unseen! The European Parliament wrote the same about Tymoshenko. So forgive her everything.

[stas]

A woman with a small party, not even a member of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, thwarted the teachings of NATO.
Isn't that an act? which deserves RESPECT!
Not every general was able to dare to do this, and even during the reign of Yushchenko and Tymoshenko.
I will quote a quote from the first chancellor of the German Empire, Otto von Bismarck;
"The power of Russia can only be undermined by the separation of Ukraine from it ... it is necessary not only to tear off, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia, to pit two parts of a single people and watch how a brother will kill his brother."

[Splin]

I completely agree with Bismarck. The question of abuse is redundant. Here are just threats, like we strangled you with gas. In 2008, Yushchenko and Tymoshenko were in a single wrapper. And then I suppose I was for a stronger rapprochement between Ukraine and Russia. But after August, when for some reason because of one idiot, they began to be like enemies to all citizens of Ukraine, my mood changed. When I was traveling to Venezuela, through Moscow, I was stopped five times to check my passport. And almost a Russian person cops neglected calling Khokhl. And this is not an isolated case. Passport, rights, car numbers - all of my friends are like a red rag for a bull. How do you order this information attack? After all, she is now almost the same.

[stas]

Splin, I completely agree with you, we condemn and disapprove of the actions of the GDP every time on New Year’s every year on gas with Ukraine.
We are one people, with one culture and one Faith. We have nothing to share, we need to get together and send all the current leaders of both Russia and Ukraine, from where they do not return.
In their bourgeois ways, our rulers of both states are alike, and the whole problem is in them, and not in Russians or Ukrainians.

[greenk19]

One people, and who in the nineties shouted to the Russians who lived with you "Ivan get out to hungry Russia"

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Yes, in fact, a single people, so there are plenty of fools here and there. The main problem is still Gogol.

[Bogatir]

Russians - have little relation to Ukrainians.

[mitrich]

stas,
".... we condemn and disapprove with the actions of the GDP which he arranges every time on New Year's Eve on gas with Ukraine."
Firstly, you should at least a little understand the essence of gas disputes between Russia and Ukraine, because you, in fact, do not blame the GDP, but the country in which you live and consider yourself a patriot.
And secondly, in your own name, plz, condemn and disapprove. Personally, I have not delegated such a right to you.

[stas]

mitrich, the price of gas for Ukraine has nothing to do with patriotism.
With your concept of patriotism through maintaining GDP throughout, we will go very far. And you will be convinced of this in October 2012, if the GDP remains at the helm of power. The new gas prices and real estate taxes already planned for the Russians will not please you very much, and you will understand the inhabitants of Ukraine correctly, without pompous patriotism.
But if you work at Gazprom, then I understand you, you will not suffer.

[mitrich]

stas,
I wrote about Russian-Ukrainian relations, and not about the identity of GDP (although I admit that our assessments of his personality are diametrically opposed; you seem to generally perceive Putin and his team as nothing more than agents of the CIA, SIS and Mossad).
So, if we draw parallels between Russian-Ukrainian relations and relations between the bride and groom on the eve of the wedding, I will write that marriages happen:
- for love;
- by calculation.
Love does not work, it is felt even by the direction of the comments of the Ukrainian users of this site. I'm not talking about the so-called. "elites" of both states. What remains is coercion, which is beneficial, if you look at it, just for the Ukrainians, about whom you are so concerned.
I just strongly (strongly!) Once again recommend specifically to you to read Aslamova's recent detailed article in "Komsomolskaya Pravda", you can quickly find it there in a search engine, the title is something like "Why Moscow and Kiev cannot build a new USSR". I just do not want to repeat what is written there quite sensibly, without cleverness, cleverness, but it is written just on the topic under discussion.
Yes, more. Tariffs will be raised on 01.07.2012, not from 01.01., But not so sensitive to write about it as the end of the world. I don't like it either, but because of this I will not call for universal violence for the sake of a new "revolution", to the delight of our enemies. This is my answer to you.

[Splin]

I’ll wedge myself into the conversation. Followed the advice. I read the article. But I emphasized more from her interview. In general, I follow the intonation of a person in a conversation. Well what to say. The conversation of a woman rejected by a peasant is such an insult in her voice. Again taken out of context facts. Although judging by her words, she has access to ministerial secrets. in Ukraine., but in fact I did not hear anything. There, the second uncle called live. He was right. Not reasoned, unproven, but the right basis.
And the aunt honestly lies, turning the facts. I have a direct relationship with political scientists. Who wants, he says. Of course, who sees only one side of the coin there is nothing for him to cover.

[mitrich]

Splin,
You are probably a resident of Ukraine, most likely a resident of Kiev. Guessed?
You do not pay attention to the personality of D. Aslamova. She b ... d, and in the literal sense of the word (I had the pleasure to follow her work, to whom only she did not give !). The Dnieper observations of the author themselves are interesting, as it were, the everyday view of the state of affairs. I read only the article, I did not watch the video interview.

[Splin]

I have 2 small homelands - Odessa and Donetsk. By such parameters it is difficult to say that I am a Russophobe. I'm gnawing with my oponets, here inside. I hate nationalists. But when they offend my country from outside, then I become no less a patriot than those in "embroidered shirts". Only it is necessary to fight reasonably, and not like Matrosov thoughtlessly, but bravely at the embrasures.

[Bogatir]

Quote: stas

The price of gas for Ukraine has nothing to do with patriotism.

- It has. When the horde is without an economy, it tries to milk my state. Solid patriotism overshadows everything.
By the way, know that every gas terrorist war - will give you more reasons to groan about the myth of "brotherhood" and your historical loneliness.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

No, well, you do ... This is the market, to which everyone so rushed through the corpse of the USSR. Here it is in all its manifestations: the price is not comfortable - walk around the market, bargain. Buy from those who are cheaper.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

No, well, you do ... This is the market, to which everyone so rushed through the corpse of the USSR. Here it is in all its manifestations: the price is not comfortable - walk around the market, bargain. Buy from those who are cheaper.

[Bogatir]

Quote: mitrich

Firstly, you should at least a little understanding of the essence of gas disputes between Russia and Ukraine, because you, in fact, do not blame GDP

- Exactly. And with Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Italy, Latvia, Germany, Bulgaria, Turkey, etc.
All these wars are Russian state terrorism. Well, the boomerang will return ...

[ytqnhfk]

YES it turns out there is even worse than the local aktsium, etc.! One field of their berry would pit these Mososek!

[Bogatir]

Quote: stas

We are one people, with one culture and one Faith.

And the churches are different, both culture and history.

[Sergh]

Splin, I also traveled across Kazakhstan and one in one of your words, they built at each post. Well, why, I'm not offended at the terminal. After all, they were simple stupid Kazakhs, by the way there are few of them, the same in Russia, and everywhere. How?

[Splin]

I don't want to offend people. But aren't they the majority? And from the opinion of the majority the whole is formed. I walk with a cane (for which I have an increased love of the police), when they even stopped me in Caracas, they only asked where I was from. And no passport. And about Europe, I generally keep quiet. They even offered help there. Why do "fraternal" Russia, I get a different effect?

[Splin]

In pursuit of the topic. A stupid person then draws information from only one official source. So the Prince thinks so (President, Prime Minister is not important).

[Sergh]

Come on Splin, full of those. The main thing we understood each other! And how many people, you say, so let others think, the main thing is not to shout into the empty bucket "AU-AU" yourself. I, too, are already in my twenties, but I see black from white with what, how. So sleep well, everything will be OK! Let's sing, sprinkle with saliva, but calm down, all the same to go to the Pindos together ... don't even argue!

[Bogatir]

Quote: Splin

I completely agree with Bismarck. The question of abuse is redundant.

- I, too, but I don’t see the need to inject intellectual and cultural potential into someone. As well as prolonging the agony of someone’s empire - at the expense of my state.

[huginn]

We must also remember one more statement by Bismarck: “Do not hope that once you take advantage of Russia's weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come, do not rely on the Jesuit agreements you signed, supposedly justifying you. They are not worth it. the paper on which they are written. Therefore, it is worth playing with the Russians honestly, or not playing at all. "

[Sergh]

Wow cool! Immediately the film comes to mind "Change the meeting place ...", where Dzhigarkhanyan: "... well, what do you say .., you can't foresee a woman, she sees with her heart ...". Played, but dizzy. but they did not even remember the people. Undercover wars are very dangerous, a double-edged sword. Well, in a year or so, it will obviously be something, we will wait, we will not rush. But the pitchfork looms for someone!

[Graaf]

Sergh
... Vitrenko is not a woman, grandmother. and with frequent mental disorders. In Ukrian it’s not a secret for anyone that she is insane, that she has been using the clinic for a long time in Frunze, in Kiev, where by the way her two daughters with similar diagnoses lie. They do not pay attention to her, but in the Russian Federation she is presented as a fiery fighter with the regime. Here are just the modes we have changed every 2 last years, and Vitrenchikha for some reason does not change. It is financed by the Embassy of the Russian Federation in Ukraine; she herself spoke about this more than once, at meetings in Crimea with her party members. You should have seen these members of the same party. Old, elderly people who can’t live without the Soviet Union (I won’t say anything - I lived in it myself), whom she carries around Ukraine. To my question to one such grandfather (The case was last summer in Crimea) - Do you need it? There was just a muber answer - Son, because you pay money, they feed, they give a bed, we ride all over Ukraine, we buy tickets. And I could not travel the USSR as much as now. And they also went to Moscow ... a dumb scene!
And you say a woman !? She must go to Durkah again, on Frunze. Autumn exacerbation has begun. It lay all spring, and now woof ... but it again surfaced, again the granny came to see ... Laughter and sin!

[Splin]

This open letter and its PR in the Russian press reminds me a bit of how Soviet newspapers used to reprint some leaflet "Socialist of Dennver", which was read by about ten people at most, where it was said about the strike of supermarket workers and was attributed to the column "Based on materials from foreign press."

[dmb]

"Your domestic and foreign policy, in contrast to your pre-election promises, turned out to be false, unprofessional, treacherous. The whole essence of your economic and social reforms is the sale of state property to your fellow oligarchs, and the robbery of the people of Ukraine with beggarly salaries and pensions, pension reform, benefits, constant inflation of prices and tariffs for the population. " Replace "Ukraine" with "Russia" - are there any differences?

[Gogaskr]

THE DIFFERENCES ARE! YOU LIVE IN RUSSIA - PINDOVSKY HORN.

[zczczc]

Guys, let's just ask to ban a person with fascist symbols or at least repaint an avatar !? Who cares what he writes, you don’t advertise swastikas here ...

[Foamas]

Oops !! "Communist" inscribed for the Nazis - progress!

[Bogatir]

Look at your shepherds.
Representatives of the Kremlin - I still have to tell about false politics.

[merkawa]

You really have to argue, some brothers (Ukrainian) got involved (or try to get in touch) with others (Russians) about their fallen happiness (gas, oil, etc.) and both need to solve their problems, but they don’t need that. people also want to stick to this analysis. That's the media and this is exaggerated into the hands of both.

[stas]

I do not know how Vitrenko’s appeal to Yanukovych or Azarov influenced, but today in the Russian newspaper, official information is given as follows;
"Ukraine is ready to compromise on a gas contract with Russia, which will be launched during the visit of President Viktor Yanukovych to Moscow on September 24, 2011."

[Splin]

In Ukraine, it was announced yesterday, without any letter. How will it be, see. We talked about compromises earlier, only a little of this came out in Sochi.

[Bogatir]

Oooh, Yanukovych came from Sochi in shock from the chauvinistic attitude of Russian representatives "in high-heeled shoes."

[Graaf]

... all this, about Ukraine, is ready ... both parties will be ready for compromises, provided that one gives in to the other. What unfortunately does not happen, I can argue with anyone. In October there will be a session with the EU in the Free Trade Zone, and right here in the Russian press articles of the old Soviet model pop up ... a fiery wrestler Luis Corvalan and atk further. Kindergarten - by golly!

[Bogatir]

This is common diplomatic rhetoric. The bottom line - in Tashkent it was necessary to watch.

[DEfindER]

But don’t you guess why it is suddenly the fraternal peoples, who were one whole thousand years old, who suddenly began to treat each other so badly? Himself noticed how wary of Ukrainians in Russia and vice versa, and honestly honestly terribly ashamed of this! It’s clear that without artificial interference this is simply impossible, the war has been going on for a long time, and the words of Bismarck are well known not only to us but also to our friends from the Pentagon!

[Bogatir]

Ukraine and Russia are different.

[Victor]

And Ilya Muromets, whose relics lie in the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra, whose is it, Russian or Ukrainian? He comes from the Russian city of Murom, and defended the capital Kiev-city! "You are a Hero, answer if you can.

[Bogatir]

Ilya Muromets, according to one version, plausible versions - from Murom of Chernihiv. What is confirmed by the scriptures is that he left his city and reached Kiev in a day. Murom-city in your concept is a Finnish-Ugric settlement.
There is also an opinion that epics about three heroes (which by the way could not have been with a spread of 200 years) came to the Moscow kingdom with Ukrainian settlers who fled from Kiev lands during the devastation of Kievan Rus during the Golden Horde in the 14th century.

[Bogatir]

Ilya Muromets, according to one version, plausible versions - from Murom of Chernihiv. What is confirmed by the scriptures is that he left his city and reached Kiev in a day. Murom-city in your concept is a Finnish-Ugric settlement.
There is also an opinion that epics about three heroes (which by the way could not have been with a spread of 200 years) came to the Moscow kingdom with Ukrainian settlers who fled from Kiev lands during the devastation of Kievan Rus during the Golden Horde in the 14th century.

[Bogatir]

Ilya Muromets, according to one version, plausible versions - from Murom of Chernihiv. What is confirmed by the scriptures is that he left his city and reached Kiev in a day. Murom-city in your concept is a Finnish-Ugric settlement.
There is also an opinion that epics about three heroes (which by the way could not have been with a spread of 200 years) came to the Moscow kingdom with Ukrainian settlers who fled from Kiev lands during the devastation of Kievan Rus during the Golden Horde in the 14th century.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Today on the radio in the evening they said about Azarov’s statement that there would be no compromise. There will be a visit of Yanukovych to Moscow, and they will discuss everything there.

[Bogatir]

What's the compromise? - To milk the "brothers of the Ukrainians" with exorbitant terrorist-speculative gas prices against the backdrop of impending financial problems of the Russian Federation.
Manal I am such "brotherly love".

[Roman Skomorokhov]

When they signed the contract, they were not speculative for some reason.

[montemor]

Brothers, oh well, all of them in w ...... y, Russian and Ukrainian, brothers forever, otherwise, the edge !!!!!

[Bogatir]

I would say so - the neighbors from whom we will not go anywhere. "Brothers" - I am a manal for such Kremlin relatives ...

[Sobibor]

Know Mosca you bark strong once on an elephant.

You can’t say anything different about Vitrenko - the maximum rating of her political force was 2%, now she won’t gain 1%

[Bogatir]

Pressure rises, or Moscow's gas tantrum
Another surge of gas passions from Moscow looks like a clear hysteria. Moreover, it was caused by the Kremlin’s not eternal desire to take control of the Ukrainian gas transportation system, and preferably with all of Ukraine in addition. Moscow is trying to alleviate its continuously deteriorating financial and economic situation at the expense of Ukraine in general and the predatory gas contract in particular. According to some experts, Russia is plunging into a recession caused by both the aggravation of internal socio-economic contradictions and the global financial crisis.
GAS PRESS!

Oil is getting cheaper, and after that gas, prices for which are tied to oil prices, will go down. If the oil price stays within $ 110 per barrel, experts say, Russia will feel more or less confident, but due to the next bout of the global crisis, Brent oil prices are sliding to $ 100 per barrel and are showing a trend towards further decrease, because futures contracts are already concluded at a price of $ 80 per barrel. For Russia, this means a reduction in social programs, salaries and pensions, an increase in tariffs and taxes. In a situation of extreme tension in Russian society, this is fraught with serious cataclysms, because the unshakable rule "le contract sociale a la Russe" is violated - loyalty of the lower classes in response to the relative material well-being provided by the upper classes.

In addition, elections of deputies of the State Duma and the president are approaching. The first will take place in December 2011, and the second in March 2012. The election results are a foregone conclusion, for, to paraphrase Leonid Kuchma, Russia is not Ukraine. But not everything is so simple and simple. Moscow can’t make any concessions to Ukraine in the price of gas, because Russia is going to raise gas tariffs for its population. It turns out that Ukraine is reducing the price, but raising it? Reduce - bye! - And the gas price for Belarus, but Belarusians give their property in the form of a gas transmission system, but Ukraine does not want to give anything, and the Kremlin will not be able to explain to its subjects the reasons for lowering the price for Ukraine.

On the traditional European gas markets, the situation for Russia is getting worse. Gazprom has always "traveled" on stable long-term contracts with formulas tied to petroleum products, and an indispensable take-or-pay condition, as in the case of the scandalous contract with Naftogaz. But that was good during the economic boom, and now the situation has changed. The European market is under pressure from gas on the so-called spot, that is, short-term and limited in volume, but numerous contracts, where the price is much lower. In addition, Europeans are increasingly annoyed by the "take or pay" condition; they want to pay according to the actual need for gas. Thus, Gazprom's favorite scheme with long-term multi-year contracts is bursting at all seams, and this is already beginning to be recognized in Russia itself.

At the moment, the European courts are litigating between Gazprom and one of its largest partners, the Italian corporation ENI. The Italians were followed by other major Gazprom clients - German E.ON and Ruhrgaz, French Gaz de France, as well as other major gas buyers. Moreover, among the dissatisfied there are European gas companies, in which Gazprom or its subsidiaries are listed as shareholders. Life itself dictates to Gazprom the need to be more flexible and make concessions to Europe. Yielding to Europe, the Kremlin is trying to compensate for losses on the European front at the expense of Ukraine and its citizens.

TO AGREE AMAZING. WITHOUT VESSELS

Under these conditions, giving in to Ukraine is to give the Europeans an additional trump card. In addition, Gazprom and the Kremlin are very much afraid of a public legal showdown in the Ukrainian direction, because it is here that a critical mass of corrupt "dirty laundry" is concentrated. First of all, this concerns RosUkrEnergo - if they begin to "dig" under it, then information about the unseemly actions of the top leadership of Russia and even, perhaps, personally, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, who is again aiming for the post of President of the Russian Federation, may become the property of the general public.

Ex-Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko added fuel to the fire, suing the New York court against the illegal acts of RosUkrEnergo and personally Dmitry Firtash. If this court, in accordance with the requirements of American law, finds legal grounds for extending its jurisdiction to RUE and Firtash - and the US intelligence agencies will help this court - this will have very serious consequences for the Russian top in terms of discrediting it.

Therefore, the threats of Russia to file a counterclaim in case of Ukraine's appeal to the court do not sound too convincing. The fear of litigation is evidenced by the fact that after a massive information shootout on September 5, Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs Sergey Lavrov, at a meeting with his Ukrainian counterpart Konstantin Grishchenko, switched to a soothing tone: say, let's slow down and try to make an amicable agreement again. To which Konstantin Grishchenko politely replied that the Ukrainian side has reason enough for the court, but, they say, let's try again to reach an amicable agreement without ships.

At the same time, hysterical voices sounded in Moscow demanding the abolition of the $ 100 discount on gas received by Kiev as a result of the scandalous "Kharkov agreements". And here Russia, as they say, "will be a bummer." The fact is that the clause on the discount was included in the gas contract in exchange for the ratification by the Verkhovna Rada of amendments to the "big interstate agreement" on the extension of the Black Sea Fleet's stay in Sevastopol for another 25 years, that is, somewhere until the middle of this century. Recall, the ratification took place on April 24, 2010 with a massacre, smoke bombs and other special effects. The Verkhovna Rada can easily and simply denounce this addition to the interstate agreement, especially since it is very doubtful from the point of view of the Constitution. But Russia will be able to change the clause on the discount in the gas contract only in the famous Stockholm arbitration.

AND YOURSELF ... WITH GAS

Against this background, the statement of the Minister of Fuel and Energy Yuriy Boyko sounded very funny. He said that Ukraine will increase its own gas production and steadily reduce the consumption of Russian gas, even despite the clause of the gas contract, which puts forward the demand "take or pay" under pain of penalties in the amount of almost 300%. from the contractual value of the underproduced / underpaid gas.

By the way, according to rumors, Boyko arrogantly promised that he would be able to negotiate with Gazprom on lowering gas prices, but he never did it, and now Bankova is being blamed for the current aggravation of relations with Russia. At the same time, Boyko said that if Gazprom insists on choosing the entire volume of gas stipulated by the contract, Naftogaz will do this and pump it into its storage facilities, but will enter the European gas market, selling gas of its own production, which is about 20 billion cubes per year. By this, Boyko is hinting that Naftogaz is ready to compete with Gazprom.

It should be noted here that Naftogaz buys gas from its gas production subsidiaries at a price of no more than $ 100 per thousand cubic meters, and therefore can really spoil the Gazprom market with spot deals at relatively low prices, for example, during the peak periods of the heating season ...

Actually, this is a pretty strong move, but it's not that simple. The fact is that in many European gas companies Gazprom and / or its subsidiaries are shareholders. And it is not a fact that European gas traders, under pressure from Moscow, will agree to buy fuel from Naftogaz, even if it is cheaper. On the other hand, although European gas companies are on friendly terms with Gazprom, they do not always dance to its tune, realizing that this leads to dangerous dependence on Moscow.

At the time of this writing, nothing was known about the Kremlin's reaction to the said statement by Yuri Boyko. It is quite possible that Moscow is studying this issue in detail, since the appearance on the European market of spot gas in the amount of up to 20 billion cubic meters, although not critical, may seriously affect the conjuncture not in favor of Gazprom.
Moscow's nervous reaction also manifested itself during the exemplary launch of technical gas into the Russian-German Nord Stream gas pipeline. Vladimir Putin, with due theatricality in front of the television cameras, said that after his solemn pressing of the button with his finger, Ukraine lost its exclusive position of a transit country. On closer examination, it turns out that this is a bluff, and in the near future Gazprom will not get away from the Ukrainian gas transportation system.
In general, the Ukrainian-Russian gas relations are becoming less constructive and more and more psychopathological in nature, and there is reason to believe that more than one hysteria awaits us ...

[Bogatir]

Opinions: WHERE WILL UKRAINE GO TO THE CUSTOMS UNION OR EUROPE?

Zoya Aleksandrovna, a gardener, formerly an engineer: “We must stick to Europe. Russia, throughout our twenty years of independence, has repeatedly shown that it wants to lead Ukraine. We must keep our eyes open with it, since it does not believe in“ brothers-Slavs ” first of all, she, not us. And if we talk about gas or oil, then the Kremlin itself has already said everything - that is, “fuck you.” So now, humiliate yourself and bow down? I think that the answer should be adequate. Otherwise, what kind of state? "

Ada Pavlovna, a pensioner: “The Russian Federation - with its gas, oil and claims - will last for 15-20 years. They themselves understand this very well. But if we talk about geopolitics, then during this time Russia wants to“ devour ”everyone it can. Ukraine is on the list. And if our government, which now has something from this, wants to see a country that, figuratively speaking, "will be chewed and spit out cartilage", then maybe it will succeed. But how long it will take "We need Europe with its integrated schemes. We are really stronger economically than the very same Greece, Slovakia or Romania. They just don't believe in us as a politically stable country. And then there is Russia - brothers-usurers!"

Vitaliy, builder: "We need Europe. And the Russian Customs Union is just an element of pressure. Yes, Russian gas will not prevent Ukraine from earning, but only when Ukrainian businessmen stop pumping it into Western pipes. I read in the newspapers that our gas costs no more than $ 100 per thousand cubic meters. And we produce almost 20 billion cubic meters of it a year. Sorry, if this is true, then why should we pay three times more for Russian? Maybe our "under-oligarchs" will have enough to steal? Apparently, they want us to pay for their costs and determine again their profits? In Europe, things are not done that way. Let there be no paradise, but still not the Kremlin's dictate. "

http://mignews.com.ua/ru/articles/86609.html

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THERE TO YOU AND THE ROAD IS DIRECT "PARADISE" In this paradise there are already many countries of Greece, Italy, Spain, Latvia! FORWARD EAGLES into a bright future !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ytqnhfk]

Bogatir, We are really stronger economically than the same Greece, Slovakia or Romania. It’s just that they don’t believe in us as in a politically stable country. Misconception !!!!! In the lists of bankrupt it is the same Italy! How much production does she have in her car of rags for household appliances, etc. d! With what you WILL COME TO THIS MARKET! ???? .With coal? Well, you will be like Russia! - an appendage is a supplier, only we can still do a lot of things (space, weapons, nanotechnology! and so on! !!))

[bistrov.]

Now, from the height of the past months, all the forecasts of "Bogatyr" have turned into an ordinary zilch! Europe does not need Ukraine, there are enough of its own problems, it is about to fall apart. Of course, Europe would take Ukraine, but only its land and natural resources, which it lacks so much, but without the Ukrainians, there are enough of its own parasites. Therefore, they will wait another 20-30 years, until 20-30 million Ukrainians take a break, and the rest, who by this time will finally become nerds, drug addicts and alcoholics. Then come to the eurozone, if it will be there by this time. And Naftogaz, a competitor to Gazprom, is also not justified, despite all the laudatory assurances of Boyko, it turned out at the moment and for another 20 years at least there is no real alternative to Russian gas, but there is a prospect for the Ukrainian GTS to remain empty, i.e. with a nose, because the completion of the Nord Stream is in full swing and the construction of the South Stream is about to begin, all approvals have been completed. And the prospect of a drop in the price of oil is also not justified, because with the well-known events in North Africa its production fell once, and in general there is a global tendency to increase the cost of energy resources or two. And as for public opinion about the European vector of Ukraine, my grandmother also said for two, I can give dozens of real opposite examples, you did not hold a referendum, did you? And I can give a realistic forecast that in the near future the Ukrainian GTS will be sold to Russia, and after that Ukraine will join the Customs Union. Hello family!

[Bogatir]

The history of gas wars between Russia and its neighbors

Good-neighborly relations between Russia and other countries of the former USSR are sometimes overshadowed by gas disputes.

On February 25, 2000, Gazprom completely stopped gas supplies to Moldova, the debt of which reached $ 300 million. On March 2, the supplies were resumed in exchange for Chisinau's promise to pay off the stake in the Moldovagaz company. However, these negotiations were unsuccessful, and soon Gazprom increased the price for Moldova to the maximum in the CIS $ 80 per 1 cubic meters. m.

On January 1, 2004, Gazprom cut off gas supplies to Belarus due to Minsk’s refusal to create a joint venture on the basis of Beltransgaz and pay $ 50 per 1 cubic meters for gas. m instead of $ 40. On February 18, Gazprom cut off gas transit to Europe for the first time for almost a day. The next day, under pressure from the EU, the parties settled the dispute, agreeing to a compromise price of $ 46,68.

On December 31, 2004, Turkmenistan cut off gas supplies to Russia and Ukraine, citing the repair of the gas pipeline and seeking to increase the price from $ 44 to $ 60 per 1 cubic meters. m. On January 3, Kiev signed a contract with the Turkmen for supplies at $ 58 per 1 cubic meters. m, and Gazprom refused to negotiate. Gas supplies to Russia resumed on January 10 at the old price.

On March 29, 2005, Gazprom announced an 2006% increase in gas tariffs for Belarus since 11. Negotiations on the price continued until the end of the year, and only on December 19, Prime Ministers Mikhail Fradkov and Sergei Sidorsky agreed to maintain the previous price of $ 46,68 per 1 cubic meters. m. In exchange Minsk promised to cede 50% of Beltransgaz to Gazprom.

On January 1, 2006, Gazprom cut off gas supplies to Ukraine, which did not want to conclude a contract at new prices ($ 230 per 1 cubic meters instead of $ 50). In response, Kiev began withdrawing gas from transit to Europe. On January 2, Gazprom restored the supply in full, and on January 4, the parties signed a new contract for the supply of a mixture of expensive Russian and cheap Central Asian gas to Ukraine for $ 95.

On May 4, 2006, Gazprom announced an increase from July 1 the gas price for Lithuania from $ 105 to $ 135 per 1 cubic meters. This decision was made against the background of calls by the President of this country Valdas Adamkus to create a united front against the construction of the North European Gas Pipeline. In response, Lithuania announced a proportional increase in the tariff for gas transit to Kaliningrad.

On December 31, 2008, Russia and Ukraine again failed to agree on the terms of gas supplies. The reason for the dispute was the intention of Gazprom to raise the price for Kiev to the European level of $ 450 per 1 cubic meters. m. On January 1, 2009, Russia stopped gas supplies to Ukraine, and on January 7, for several days, it also cut off transit to Europe. On January 19, Prime Ministers Vladimir Putin and Yulia Tymoshenko agreed on a price of $ 450 per 1 cubic meters. m. with a 20% discount in 2009. In 2010, Moscow agreed to sell gas to Kiev at a 30% discount under the guarantees that the Russian Black Sea Fleet will stay in Sevastopol until 2042. In 2011, the contract concluded by Yulia Tymoshenko became the reason for her criminal prosecution.

On April 9, 2009, an explosion occurred in the Central Asia-Center gas pipeline in Turkmenistan, which stopped the supply of Turkmen gas to Russia. Ashgabat blamed the state of emergency on Gazprom, which, without warning, sharply reduced gas extraction. The pipe was repaired in May, but Gazprom did not resume purchases, trying to bring down the price from $ 375 per 1 cubic meters. m. In December, the parties agreed on the purchase by Russia of 10-12 billion cubic meters. m at $ 200 per 1 cubic meters. m.

On June 21, 2010, Gazprom limited gas supplies to Belarus due to a debt of $ 187 million. In response, Minsk issued an invoice to Russia for $ 260 million for the transit of Russian gas at a new tariff rate and limited transit to Lithuania. On June 24, Belarus transferred $ 187 million to Russia, and Gazprom in return - $ 228 million, after which supplies resumed.

Since January 1, 2011, Gazprom has increased the gas price for Lithuania by 3%, and for Estonia and Latvia - due to the growth in consumption in these countries - has decreased by 15%. On January 25, the Ministry of Energy of Lithuania asked the European Commission to conduct an antitrust investigation against Gazprom, accusing it of overpricing, and later threatened to deprive the Russian company of 37% of the shares of the gas network operator Lietuvos dujos. On June 14, Gazprom challenged the attempt to reorganize Lietuvos dujos in the Stockholm Arbitration, after which Lithuania postponed it to June 2013.