Belarusian weapons and own equipment

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A few days ago it became known that the Republic of Belarus is currently developing its own weapon systems. Some new developments are planned to be shown already on May 9 during the parade in Minsk. Details of these plans have not yet been disclosed. It is alleged that in May there will be a "premiere" of some systems for the ground forces. Other information was not disclosed.

It should be recalled that over the past few months the Belarusian leadership has repeatedly mentioned the need to develop its own weapons and military equipment. For example, January 29 of Belarus, President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko, said that projects are underway to develop their own weapons. Almost all weapon and the equipment of the Belarusian armed forces was produced in the USSR or in Russia after its collapse. Belarusian enterprises took part in the production of certain types of this material part, but their role was only in the supply of components, from electronics to special chassis.

According to A. Lukashenko, the country needs a new modern weapon, thanks to which the likely adversary will not even think about possible aggression. The country is not going to fight, but still needs modern equipment for the army. The first weapon systems of new types should appear in a few months.

What kind of news is planned to show in the upcoming parade, is still unknown. Nevertheless, there is information about some new developments of the Belarusian military-industrial complex. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, independent Belarus got about 120 various plants, design offices and institutes. Thanks to competent management, most defense enterprises continue to work now. First of all, this was helped by the preservation of cooperation with Russian enterprises. As a result, most of the products of the Belarusian defense industry went to Russia.

Not having a large number of enterprises capable of building ready-made equipment and producing weapons on their own, Belarus did make some attempts to create its own weapons. In addition, Belarusian specialists continue to modernize various systems created in the Soviet Union. Consider some projects of the Belarusian defense industry that may be of interest to both domestic and foreign customers.

Over the past few years, Tetrahedr has been working on projects to modernize Soviet-designed anti-aircraft missile systems. The first project was created "Pechora-2TM", which aims to update the outdated short-range air defense systems C-125. In the course of modernization, the complex receives a set of modern electronic equipment, which enhances its characteristics. In particular, the resistance to interference of the enemy EW systems is seriously increased. It was reported that some foreign countries show their interest in the C-125-2TM Pechora-2TM air defense systems.


ZRK C-125-2TM Pechora-2TM


Also, the Tetrahedr enterprise several years ago presented the Osa-1T project, a variant of the development of the Osa-AK and Osa-AKM self-propelled anti-aircraft systems. According to this project, the base complex receives a set of new equipment. In particular, the use of a special unit, mounted on a combat vehicle, made it possible to abandon a separate simulator based on a truck. Also increased the characteristics of the complex to attack various aerodynamic targets. Thus, the maximum height of a target is increased to 7 km. Expanded target speed ranges when attacking in pursuit and towards.


Belarusian "Osa-1T" - modernization from Tetrahedron at the exhibition Milex-2009


In the interests of the ground forces and other structures that need light tracked vehicles, Minotor-Service has developed the Mosquito family of vehicles. The basic machine of the family called TGM 3T is a compact light vehicle with a tracked chassis. The total weight of the machine in the basic configuration does not exceed 5 tons, payload - 900 kg. TGM 3T Mosquito can carry six people, including the driver. The promotional materials for this project stated that the base machine can be used as the basis for light military equipment for various purposes.

Belarusian weapons and own equipment
TGM 3Т "Mosquito"


With some modifications, the Mosquito can carry an anti-tank missile system. Initially, only photos of a roofless car with a launcher mounted near the crew seats were published. However, images of another version of a self-propelled anti-tank complex later appeared. In the updated version, the self-propelled ATGM should have a modified chassis with an increased number of road wheels, a fully closed case and a raised launcher, which in the stowed position is located inside the case.

Machinery based on the "Mosquito" can not only transport personnel and fight with enemy armored vehicles. Last year, for the first time, a prototype was shown (according to other data, a model) of a promising Kivi electronic warfare complex based on the Minotor-Service company chassis. This machine is built on the basis of an extended seven-kilogram chassis and must be equipped with a set of equipment for detecting and suppressing radio channels and other enemy signals. The machine with a closed armored hull is equipped with a set of electronics, its own generator and two telescopic rods with antenna-feeder systems.


EW "Kiwi"


A few years ago, the Display design bureau presented the ADUNOK automated remote-controlled observation and firing system. This system can be produced in two configurations: in the form of a remotely controlled combat Robot ADUNOK-M and in the form of a combat module for installation on various armored vehicles. The complex is equipped with two video cameras, a thermal imager and a laser rangefinder. The signal from the monitoring devices is transmitted to the control panel. The module mounts allow it to be armed with Soviet/Russian-designed machine guns or automatic grenade launchers.


ADONOK-M


One of the main Belarusian developers of radio-electronic and optical-electronic equipment is Minsk JSC “Peleng”. At the end of the two thousandth, the specialists of this enterprise together with the Ukrainian Luch design bureau developed the Skif anti-tank missile system. The task of “Peleng” in this project was the creation of a PN-S guidance device. The structure of this device includes a video camera and a thermal imager with a variable angle of view. If necessary, the PN-S device can be equipped with an additional thermal imager with higher characteristics. The composition of the PN-C includes a missile control system using a laser beam. During the flight, the rocket independently keeps on the trajectory, taking control laser beam with sensors in the tail section.


Skif ATGM


It is known that the armed forces of the Republic of Belarus ordered a number of Skif anti-tank missile systems. At the same time, Ukraine became the main customer of these systems. In addition, ATGMs with Belarusian-made components were shipped to Azerbaijan and Georgia. In the armies of different countries, the Skif system is used both in a portable version and installed on existing machines.

In 2010, a new ATGM was created called the Hornet. This system was again developed in the course of the Belarusian-Ukrainian cooperation, but this time Peleng OJSC was responsible for a greater number of components and assemblies. This complex, depending on the type of rocket used, can hit targets at ranges up to 5-7,5 km. The Hornet ATGM system uses a PN-S guidance device similar to that developed for the Skif complex. The rocket is still pointing at the laser beam. It is known about the development of four variants of the anti-tank complex, differing from each other by different characteristics. Thus, the lightweight modification of the Hornet-L is intended for launching from the shoulder and must ensure that targets are hit at distances up to 2,5 km, and the Hornet-Q variant has four target channels and can be used on various self-propelled chassis.


Hornet ATGM


The production of the Hornet anti-tank missile systems began in 2010. The system was adopted by the Belarusian army. Detailed information on the supply of ATGM of certain modifications are not available. Information about export contracts is also not received.

Over the past few years there have been rumors about a new draft of the Belarusian defense industry in the field of rocket technology. According to some reports, over the past years, Belarus has been developing a promising operational-tactical missile system (OTRK). As evidence of this version, certain trips of Belarusian specialists to Ukrainian enterprises that were previously engaged in rocket issues are cited. Whether there is a promising project of the OTRK of the Belarusian development or is it just a rumor is unknown. However, the official Minsk may be interested in the emergence of similar systems of its own design or purchased abroad.

As you can see, Belarus is capable of producing some types of weapons and military equipment. Nevertheless, the bulk of the products of its defense industry are some of the components that are used to make various finished products in foreign, primarily Russian, enterprises. For example, one of the main articles of the Belarusian military exports is the supply of products of the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant (MZKT). On the basis of the machines of this enterprise in Russia, various weapon systems are being built, from military air defense systems to mobile ground-based missile systems for strategic rocket forces.

Recently, the leadership of the Republic of Belarus has repeatedly spoken about the need to develop and manufacture their own weapons systems and equipment. Some similar projects, as we see, already exist. According to the latest data, there are some other developments that, however, have not yet been shown. A few days ago it became known that 9 will host the first show of some new developments. What it will be is still unknown, but it won't take long to wait - just under three months left.


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  1. +25
    24 February 2015 07: 22
    Lukashenka's hammer, I envy the Belarusians for good. He himself worked for some time after the army in the association "Belavtomaz"
    1. +24
      24 February 2015 09: 41
      And what's minus Fomkin? Didn't you like the words "Lukashenka's hammer"? Yes, for Belarusians, he really is a hammer!
      And for us ... Old Man chose his position, not ours, not yours. And from my point of view, right. From the side of Russia, he saw not only gingerbread, there were attempts to pour lashes. What is there just a pull on Belarus with an attempt to squeeze the country's gas system. Raiding on the state. level.
      Someone will blame me, they say we supply gas and oil for free, but it is not lower than the cost? Just cheaper than west. And what, you need to tear three skins from an ally? We already have few of them, Ukraine is already an enemy.
      To be honest, I envy the Belarusians. Objectively, "our" government in relation to the population is several times worse. hi
      1. Roshchin
        +8
        24 February 2015 10: 21
        Not so long ago, or on the contrary, the case of the notorious Baumgertner and the Uralkali office ended in nothing on the Russian side. Obvious damage was caused to both Belarus and Russia. But the Russian "Pinkertons" who undertook to expose the intruders dived out of habit. So friendship is friendship and tobacco is good to have your own.
      2. +2
        24 February 2015 16: 06
        Quotation marks as applied to one word are, unfortunately, very appropriate.
      3. 0
        25 February 2015 22: 30
        Ingvar, you're wrong ...
  2. +1
    24 February 2015 07: 35
    Unintentionally "-" set. I apologize.
  3. +28
    24 February 2015 08: 01
    2T "Stalker" was not mentioned, but the car is interesting
    1. +4
      24 February 2015 09: 08
      Apparently there is no money for the release of Stalker, and so the platform would turn out to be good.
      1. +4
        24 February 2015 09: 36
        Quote: Vadim237
        Apparently there is no money for the release of Stalker, and so the platform would turn out to be good.

        of course not - we "really needed" to hold the 2014 Ice Hockey World Championship, build ice palaces, we are the most athletic nation, as we are told by the government media laughing Plus, support the production of extremely (un) demanded goods at state enterprises at the warehouse.
        It is a pity that the "Stalker" did not find a place in our army sad
        1. +10
          24 February 2015 10: 01
          Sport is good and I do not see anything bad that building ice palaces, young people have something to do !!! And where did you get that Stalker because of this did not go into the series?
          1. 0
            10 March 2015 02: 06
            YaRS. You answered 0255 correctly!
        2. +3
          24 February 2015 12: 22
          Quote: 0255
          we "really needed" to hold the 2014 Ice Hockey World Championship

          Earnings from such events usually cover expenses (especially for private sponsors), plus this is prestige for the state, and the built-up arenas remain a bonus.

          The stalker has interesting technical developments, but, frankly, I do not see an effective application for him. It’s a light tank in terms of mass, BMP in armament, and armored personnel carrier in armor. And the price is clearly higher than the BRDM and BMP, he did not find the numbers, but most likely it is close to the tank.
          This is a machine that should avoid battle on the performance characteristics, but in which the concept implies the need for direct combat. For reconnaissance, its armament is redundant, and it is easier to put additional equipment. For the battle, and weapons, and reservations, and price are not enough. To transport soldiers - too small interior space.
          I think - many buyers have similar thinking. They buy weapons for tactics, and do not adjust their tactics for the purchased weapons.
          Say, the Stalker, in the form of an inconspicuous infantry fighting vehicle with an extended landing squad, would look much better.
          1. +1
            24 February 2015 14: 41
            Quote: Darkmor
            Say, the Stalker, in the form of an inconspicuous infantry fighting vehicle with an extended landing squad, would look much better.

            Even better, it seems to me, he would have looked in the role of a caterpillar BRDM.
        3. -2
          24 February 2015 23: 16
          Ice palaces are a very necessary and demanded thing !!! for example, you can breed penguins there)
        4. 0
          25 February 2015 22: 31
          sheer truth ...
    2. rasul
      +1
      24 February 2015 09: 28
      is it a tank or bmp?
      1. +4
        24 February 2015 09: 40
        Quote: Rasul
        is it a tank or bmp?

        http://topwar.ru/11551-rdm-2t-neudavshayasya-revolyuciya-iz-belorussii.html
      2. avt
        +1
        24 February 2015 09: 48
        Quote: Rasul
        is it a tank or bmp?

        And hell knows. They position themselves as an armored reconnaissance vehicle and, moreover, are hardly noticeable for technical means of detection, and almost shoot down planes. Especially Mosquito and Kiwi, both in the chasssey part. Where are they on these narrow caterpillars that will dissect! wassat By swamps and mud? What pressure on the ground these machines have! No. Your will - this no longer looks like the work of a designer, but rather of convulsive attempts to fulfill the wise decree of the wise leader about self-reliance. Juche is certainly a good thing, but only when you approach it with reason, and not in servility to the authorities.
        1. +2
          24 February 2015 12: 00
          They are positioned as BRDM and also inconspicuous for technical means of detection and almost shoot down aircraft.

          Yes, there are only 2 "Needles" and 2 ATGM "Attack" +6 any spare.
          + 30 mm 2A42 automatic gun
          + 7,62 machine gun
          + AGS 17/30 30mm
          they said mines can put up to 12 pieces can carry with them
          The crew of 5 people, if you throw mines, then another wounded can be taken away.
          Cruising range said 1000km
          it’s all Belarus around the perimeter, you can go round or from the Russian Federation to Poland hit the road and back a couple of times.

          RDM-2T was too expensive for a country with a not-so-strong economy.

          The armored car, which did not receive recognition even in its own homeland, looks unattractive for a foreign customer. As a result, nobody else was interested in “Stalker”. But who knows how the war in Libya would have gone if there were at least a couple dozen RDM-2Ts in government forces? In any case, the course of the war would be less predictable, because the Belarusian armored vehicle can work with decent efficiency in almost all the targets that modern tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and assault forces have to contend with.


          Actually they did it for export more. As a result, lies in the piggy bank.
          1. avt
            0
            24 February 2015 13: 34
            Quote: Ejik_026
            Actually they did it for export more. As a result, lies in the piggy bank.

            request If this is a BRDM, then, first of all, you need an abundance of surveillance tools of all kinds, from optical to electronic and powerful means of communication for transmitting information. And so some sort of multi-functional fighter or something, here are still deep bombs to pin down in the world around. laughing This car anticipated the fate of the Terminator, and nobody really knows what to do with it, except for the Kazakhs and like Azerbaijanis and Algerians.
            1. +2
              24 February 2015 14: 23
              There in the tower there should have been various equipment. Up to the optical-electronic station of a circular view "Phoenix"
              1. +2
                24 February 2015 14: 58
                Quote: Spade
                ... Up to the optical-electronic station of a circular view "Phoenix"

                BRDM "Fennek"

                1. Fennek - (BAA) reconnaissance armored vehicle.
                2. (MRAT) anti-tank.
                3.
                4. artillery reconnaissance and target designation machine.
                5. (Pioner) -engineering machine.
                7. (SWP) -platfotrma "STINGER" etc ...
                1. +1
                  24 February 2015 15: 19
                  Quote: cosmos111
                  BRDM "Fennek"


                  Very similar to our BRDM.
        2. +1
          24 February 2015 15: 09
          Quote: avt
          And hell knows. Positioned as BRDM

          I think so as a multipurpose chassis ....
          BUT????

          the front location of MTO WOULD be GSh "Stalker" and the price was not there, it could have turned out to be an excellent (not bad, modern) multipurpose GSh !!!! including the BMP line

          Poles in 90's, were able to squeeze the Soviet multi-purpose GS-MT-SM and build Z-200 (infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, KShM))) but NATs closed the project ....
          клик
          1. +1
            24 February 2015 19: 35
            Quote: cosmos111
            Z-200

            calling hi a little bit wrong-BWP-2000 ...

            here is the photo and the armored personnel carrier
            клик
            1. 0
              24 February 2015 21: 06
              chassis diagram SPG-1M (Soviet MT-SM, for components and assemblies) and computer layout ...


              info s:http://www.militarium.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=58:polsk
              ie-projekty-pojazdow-specjalistycznych-na-bazie-podwozia-cignika-mt-s & catid = 7: po
              lskie-projekty & Itemid = 9
  4. +2
    24 February 2015 09: 30
    ATGMs and MANPADS are one thing, but this is not enough for defense, because you need to have aviation, and in order to have aviation, you need to have fewer because you need to create weapons and engines for it, airborne electronic stuffing. so Lukashenko should not show off, saying that they do all the weapons themselves.
  5. avt
    -1
    24 February 2015 10: 22
    Quote: Pate
    ATGMs and MANPADS are one thing, but this is not enough for defense, because you need to have aviation, and in order to have aviation, you just need to have it, because for it you need to create weapons and engines, an onboard electronic stuffing.

    What potential does Belarus have, well, industrial, human and financial? Such a desire to have a full-fledged Air Force will have absolutely the entire population in a severe, perverted, financial form. For full-fledged, such as Butsk wants, the Air Force will have to pay Russia, but is it necessary? We ourselves have only just started moving with new airplanes - we are rearming. So an umbrella within the CSTO - please, the air defense system there.
    Quote: Pate
    Lukashenko should not show off, saying that they do all the weapons themselves.

    laughing But but! Ponty is a sacred thing! Now he ordered to make an analogue of Iskander, someone promised him the documentation for ykrsky Sapsan, or something else, Sokil, they will do it at some aircraft repair enterprise.
  6. +17
    24 February 2015 10: 32
    About Belarus. One of my colleagues was undergoing rehabilitation after surgery in a sanatorium in Belarus (it's cheaper there). There he met one of the Belarusian officials of the "middle hand", and so, this official constantly scolded the "father" and constantly complained in that "key" that, they say, you Russians feel good, you have an official of his rank, this is "Man" with a capital letter: "and the position" has and the official salary is good, and bribes and kickbacks can be taken fearlessly, and rest abroad and do nothing at the workplace, etc. and in Belarus "dad" completely "squeezed" officials - keeps them in a "black body" on the same salary as the others - you don't "poke around" at it, constantly monitors, etc. that's your vacation, instead of a foreign resort, such as "Courchevel", he is poor and unhappy, should spend in Belarus, in the "shit ... ohm" sanatorium "local spill" ....
    1. +9
      24 February 2015 14: 33
      The groan of the bulbo official is the highest point of the father.
  7. +2
    24 February 2015 10: 39
    Everything would be fine, but small states cannot develop large-scale projects, which we see on the example of Belarus. So, for example, new air defense systems are just new "carts" for old systems. Alas, the laws of development cannot be surpassed.
  8. +4
    24 February 2015 10: 50
    This article is what year? It seems that she is at least 2 years old
    And not a word has been said about Belarusian ACS for air defense
    1. +1
      24 February 2015 14: 34
      And also there is no mention of new Belarusian radars
      1. +1
        24 February 2015 15: 14
        Yes, I just forgot.
        Meanwhile, Terek has long needed a replacement. Therefore, KMK, for the Russian Federation it is better not to reinvent the wheel, but to buy a license for the East
  9. +4
    24 February 2015 11: 08
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    About Belarus. One of my colleagues was undergoing rehabilitation after surgery in a sanatorium in Belarus (it's cheaper there). There he met one of the Belarusian officials of the "middle hand", and so, this official constantly scolded the "father" and constantly complained in that "key" that, they say, you Russians feel good, you have an official of his rank, this is "Man" with a capital letter: "and the position" has and the official salary is good, and bribes and kickbacks can be taken fearlessly, and rest abroad and do nothing at the workplace, etc. and in Belarus "dad" completely "squeezed" officials - keeps them in a "black body" on the same salary as the others - you don't "poke around" at it, constantly monitors, etc. that's your vacation, instead of a foreign resort, such as "Courchevel", he is poor and unhappy, should spend in Belarus, in the "shit ... ohm" sanatorium "local spill" ....

    Well done, that's what bureaucrats need! The bureaucrat is a servant of the people, not a master! Better yet, as in China, he stole it, shooting on the square, on Red Square, there is a frontal place there !!!
  10. +3
    24 February 2015 12: 09
    Old Man good luck, definitely!
  11. +1
    24 February 2015 12: 16
    Of course, Russian technology is still far away.
    1. +9
      24 February 2015 12: 27
      Well, how can I tell you ... According to some weapons, they even overtake Russia

      For example, "Adunak" - they even taught him to work from external target designation.

      Or portable ATGM generation 2+. We don’t have such a close
  12. AAV
    +1
    24 February 2015 12: 25
    In the first photo, this is not Pechora-2TM.
    see www.tetraedr.com
  13. +3
    24 February 2015 13: 03
    With such scarce resources, there is still something to create - it deserves only respect and admiration. Well done !!!
  14. MaHrycT
    +2
    24 February 2015 14: 35
    The chassis looks like an "APC" from the x / movie "Aliens" laughing
    1. +2
      24 February 2015 15: 24
      In "strangers" they made up an aircraft tug under an armored personnel carrier :)
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  16. 0
    24 February 2015 15: 43
    Quote: fomkin
    Lukashenka's hammer, I envy the Belarusians for good. He himself worked for some time after the army in the association "Belavtomaz"

    Man !!! There is nothing for us to envy. Belarusians are in full f * OPE. Jobs are not, salaries are not, families can barely survive. There is nothing to eat for an apartment, there is nothing to eat for work. There is nowhere to get a job, everywhere - REDUCTION -no.
    It’s just that it’s quiet and there’s no war and it’s not blowing anything up at us. That’s all.
    What do you envy us ??????
    1. +4
      24 February 2015 15: 53
      Just don’t panic and misunderstand the local audience with Russian registration. They have enough work for us. Those who want to work have everything. And lazy people and loafers, they survive, and there’s a special illustration of which all of us beggars - this is the end of the 14th year, when the exchange rate in Russia jumped and how all of us rushed to buy free Russian cars (they became cheaper in dollars). And the bulk are not outbids, but ordinary hard workers from factories plowing for 300-400 cu per month.
      And in our Belarusian networks, yes, constant nagging - we live poorly!
      1. 0
        24 February 2015 17: 09
        Just about he himself said, plowing for 300 y.A. yet, he didn’t write that he had been reduced, people survived. They didn’t cut down the bosses. They want to work, but there’s nowhere to go. And such plants -Where could people get settled ????? From these same factories, people were desecrated.
        Yes! We live badly!
        1. +3
          24 February 2015 21: 54
          Obama: Our people have an average salary of $ 1500, and our taxes are $ 500. I don’t understand how they live on $ 1000 !?
          Medvedev: In our country, the average salary is $ 800, taxes we take $ 300. I don’t understand how they live on $ 500 !?
          Old Man: And in our state, the average salary is $ 300, and in taxes we take $ 400. I don’t understand where they get another $ 100 !?
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      3. 0
        24 February 2015 21: 51
        I’ll tell you one story: Four guys from Ukraine arrived in the Belarusian city of N, got a job at the factory, and a month later, three of them quit !!! And they didn’t leave because the lazy people didn’t want to work, but because they were in shock, getting paid and wondering how many days this amount would be enough for them, taking into account Belarusian socially-oriented prices!
      4. 0
        25 February 2015 22: 37
        Quote: Alex_36
        , and ordinary hard workers from factories plowing for 300-400 cu per month.

        aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ...
    2. +3
      24 February 2015 15: 58
      Quote: Alex Danilov
      Quietly, all will die out (.

      Well, come on, reunite with Russia - together under the sanctions are more fun. We will blame the liberals, threaten NATO and scold America.
      No matter what happens, quietly we definitely won’t die out - I guarantee it :)
      1. +6
        24 February 2015 16: 45
        And we have been under sanctions for about twenty years, and nothing - we live.
    3. -3
      24 February 2015 16: 49
      Quote: Alex Danilov
      Quietly, everyone will die out

      Such as you - do not mind.
    4. s1н7т
      +2
      24 February 2015 17: 11
      Quote: Alex Danilov
      What do you envy us?

      But is this not enough? -
      Quote: Alex Danilov
      Just quietly and there is no war and they do not blow anything

      Life, not money, is the highest value. History will not teach anything to those who are blind and deaf, alas.
      1. +2
        24 February 2015 19: 18
        It looks like the crisis in Ukraine is having a big impact on you.
        1. Ukraine was among the top five countries with which Belarus traded.
        2. Sanctions (disconnection from the west. Financial credit organizations) tighten the monetary policy of Moscow, which affects you.
        But on the other hand, the sanctions made it possible to replace the swelling. imported goods. This is what all the EAEU countries need to do. There is a chance, but such a "restructuring" requires technology and money. If I were in the place of the Arab League, I would sell on certain conditions what "draws" from the budget. The same MAZ can be used for KAMAZ control. sell the package, leave only a small percentage for control. And so on .. And I would transfer these resources to the "necessary" industries. You even have a strong engineering school, a good industry - it was not for nothing that they called the USSR an assembly line.
        Our situation is different. The National Academy of Sciences invited investors to the processing industry, but there was no point. Kazakhstan is no longer interested in raw materials - the stage has been passed (even the law was passed that if someone leaves the extraction of natural resources in the Republic of Kazakhstan, then the priority is for the "package of shares" for the government of the Republic of Kazakhstan). Then he announced: raw materials for technology. Again, little use. Now here's the whole program pushes in:
        1. Vacation on certain taxes for 10 years.
        2. Infrastructure at the expense of the state (water, electricity, etc.).
        3. 30% refund after the start of production.
        And so they put everything into a capsule - over 102 billion of our gold reserves (we have 2 institutes - stocks of the Central Bank and something like a national fund of future generations. Money from raw materials goes directly to the fund, and after the budget is approved, they take what is missing from him). And only infrastructure projects are being dragged. This year they took from nat. the fund is about 5 billion, no more, on them, and it seems to me to purchase equipment for the army (3 RTOs for the Caspian and Su-30cm). I don’t quite understand why ours do not use gold reserves for industrialization and economic development (there are a lot of programs there). After all, it is possible to build at the expense of gold reserves, withdraw to profitability; and then sell controlling packages to private owners. But no, everyone thinks that businessmen will do it. And those based on tenders for state. they’re sitting and buying money with dignitaries, either by raw materials (I mean the rich). In order to drag someone into the production with money, I don’t even know what needs to be done - you won’t force it under the barrel. hi
        1. +1
          24 February 2015 20: 32
          The main trouble in Kazakhstan is demographic problems. 16 million population is too small for large-scale industrialization. To restore the production base created by the entire Union is no longer relevant. Why revive the ghost towns in the south, or the same Arkalyk, if the world economic map has radically changed over the years? You really need to develop high-tech mining and agriculture, as well as urgently do something with demographics. And to develop the production of goods with high added value is also, of course, good, but in the current conditions it is very risky. An exaggerated example is the current situation in the car market at least. I sincerely worry about Kazakhstan, because I was born and lived there for 30 years, but I also don’t believe your figures about gold and foreign exchange reserves. Just imagine for a second how much is spent even the last six months to maintain the tenge exchange rate with such cheap oil. But arithmetic is simple. It is enough to have data on the amount of oil produced for a period of time and the volume of foreign exchange transactions of the NB for the same period.
          1. 0
            25 February 2015 18: 41
            Chukigek. Besides oil there is uranium, metals, incl. rare earth metals, coal, gas (not much), grain. And data on gold reserves from open sources. At the end of the year there were 105 billion, then there was a "withdrawal".
            The demographic situation is normal (17 mil.) - born more than they die. Another thing is that the number is small.
            When everyone was against integration (until 2004), the RK made a decision on cluster development. International experts proposed 7 main clusters: Metallurgy, energy, rural economy, tourism, industry related to the mining sector and villages. households., transport routes (transit). Maybe where he made a mistake, but not significantly. Until recently:
            1. Metallurgy. NAS is itself a metallurgist, so I won’t even delve into it. But for example, their own aluminum appeared, now they want to create production in Pavlodar on the basis of it: profiles, products, etc. .. They began to produce body iron for cars.
            2. Energy. Oil is extracted 3-4 times more than in the USSR. New methods of uranium mining. New pipelines (there are a lot of them, I don’t remember everything - but basically in the PRC).
            3. Tourism. Neglected, plainly do nothing.
            4. Rural household. Here more attention was paid to grain. But now I think there will be progress. Meat in 13g. exported only about 600 tons, in 15g. - 15 000t.
            5. Industry. Poorly informed, but we are starting to do harvesters, our pipes, and drilling rigs.
            6. Transport routes. 2 km built. railway, new highway Zap. China - Zap. Europe will be put on the trail already. year, the new program of Nurly Zhol - autobahns from Astana in all directions, from Alma-Ata there was only a highway to Ust-Kamenogorsk and further to the Russian Federation. The airports are put in order in all cities - they organize an airline for domestic flights of Air Kazakhstan (Air Astana has long been operating on international routes). They started to release their rolling stock.
            But plans have changed with the EAEU. They want to collect the same cars under 300 (so many RK will not swallow). We have to wait a bit. But plans for a scumbag. One program Kazakhstan 000 is worth, Kazakhstan 2050 has already been completed and closed (by this year Kazakhstan planned to enter the 2030 most competitive countries, entered in 50).
            Our turnover: we import 30% and export 70%. Therefore, the arrival of currency is not small (in Uzbekistan, on the contrary: they import more than they export, therefore there is a black currency market). And he goes, as they say, to the National Fund. And then, if necessary, to the budget. And that is not always the case. In recent years, this is the first time that the government withdraws from the National Fund. The $ rate rose from 180 to 185 tenge (within a year, after devaluation). hi
            Gold reserves a year ago (end of 2013) was at 95 billion. These are the things, ZEMLYAK.
          2. 0
            28 February 2015 16: 12
            Already 17, 417 of the 000 republics of the former USSR, have not been able to restore their population in 13 years! For example, Belarus, in 15 20 million 2009 thousand, and in 9 450 million 1979 thousand !!!!!!! We do not enter this damn dyuzhen !! The biggest trouble is not going to sea !! and laziness!
    5. +1
      24 February 2015 22: 03
      I remember how it was a proposal to combine Kamaz with maz, ours refused - how is it this is family silver !!! And in what hole our god’s maz is now, God knows !!!
      And where is the union state ?! where is the single currency ?! I see only obscure gestures!
      1. avt
        0
        24 February 2015 23: 09
        Quote: Mich
        I remember how it was a proposal to combine Kamaz with maz, ours refused - how is it this is family silver !!!

        Before that, Batska flirted with MAN, even in Moscow I saw trucks with MAZ MAN nameplates, but then But Batska said that he stopped working with the Germans solely to support the "dear Russians" from Yaroslavl with their engines. The Minsk-assembled FORD has sunk into oblivion. and they were collected earlier than something in Russia. The assembly of MAZovskaya is very good, however, a promising range of trucks, so to speak, of general use ..... admit it does not spoil anything so new. Or maybe I just don't know about the latest innovations of the car plant. Even But father could not cope with the KAMAZ wolves - they were the first in the country to corporatize the car plant, burn it down and rebuild it again. But with the State Defense Order of the RF Ministry of Defense, especially for heavy platforms.
    6. 0
      10 March 2015 02: 24
      Why are you crying? Alex Danilov, wrap yourself in a white sheet and slowly crawl into the cemetery. Whoever wants to find that job. Nobody goes hungry either. I live in a pensioner in a 3 room apartment and I pay a communal room 550 rubles a month, from pension 000 rubles. and I don’t cry. I freaked out a freebie - I have to work.
  17. +1
    24 February 2015 15: 56
    It was not easier to agree on the development and production of weapons between Russia and Belarus jointly. For export deliveries, you can agree on quotas for the size of participation in a particular sample. And the costs are less, and the terms are shorter. The Pechera, which has been modernized for three decades, is a vivid example of ineffective costs.
    Alas, Butska always wanted to be independent, but with the support of Russia. Here, of course, not everything is clear. But the fate of Yanukovych for Lukashenko by the West has not been canceled. (The ethnic origin of surnames suggests a certain analogy). Only it seems to me that from the side of Russia, proposals in this direction should not be expected.
  18. +2
    24 February 2015 17: 10
    Quote: Oldman
    Quote: Alex Danilov
    Quietly, everyone will die out

    Such as you - do not mind.

    People like you don’t know what pity is. Such people don’t know anything good at all. Sorry for people like you. You Do not wish people harm — you will return to your children. Do not think that you are so chosen. We all walk under God.
    1. s1н7т
      +2
      24 February 2015 17: 16
      Swearing is not good, however! And yes, I partially agree with my comrade - they ruined one country for chewing gum with jeans, let's exchange the rest for ephemeral wealth. What's next? Most likely, they didn’t even think. For there is nothing.
    2. +1
      24 February 2015 17: 36
      Alex Danilov, You may not agree with your opponent, but why insult him? I do not agree with your assessment of the situation, but I prefer to do without a mat.
    3. +1
      24 February 2015 20: 58
      Quote: Alex Danilov
      Do not wish people harm — you will return to your children. Do not think that you are so chosen. We all walk under God.

      It is right. However, before dissolving snot here and wringing your hands about the heavy share of Belarusians, think over your brains and think to whom it is easy now. If you want to live better - work hard, study, take the initiative, create a margin of safety. Today, there are all possibilities for this, including in Belarus. What do you lack to become successful, what is stopping you? Lukashenko? Lack of freedom of speech, do you want to ride on the Maidan?
      1. 0
        25 February 2015 22: 43
        Quote: Oldman
        What do you lack to become successful, what is stopping you?

        and you think it over with brains., mb and you’ll guess .... I would have such a country where I need to dodge and rush about there .. I want to work in my village for normal grandmothers and not hell knows what to get for food ... for our sn on a collective farm at 163 dollars I raked .. myself live on them wise guy ....
  19. 0
    24 February 2015 17: 14
    It was not easier to agree on the development and production of arms of Russia and Belarus together.

    For Russia it’s not easier. Old Man and now a lot of concessions and free financial assistance require every year (this is the Belarusian economic miracle).
    The funny thing is that Belarus without a market and loans from Russia will collapse at a time, along with the standard of living of Belarusians.
    The attempt to sit on two chairs (Russia and the West) and the internal policy in the style of "Belarus and Europe" has already failed many.
    Now, when importing Ukrainian products, Russia also needs to import Belarusian products.
    For a long time, the time of states with a small territory that can become an empire has passed. For an empire and influence, a large territory is needed and preferably with all resources.
    Whatever weapon Belarus riveted, but it will never be able to withstand the United States or Russia (and all of a sudden). Therefore, a choice must be made and this choice is obvious in favor of Russia.
  20. 0
    24 February 2015 17: 26
    Quote: c1n7
    Quote: Alex Danilov
    What do you envy us?

    But is this not enough? -
    Quote: Alex Danilov
    Just quietly and there is no war and they do not blow anything

    Life, not money, is the highest value. History will not teach anything to those who are blind and deaf, alas.

    So, there will be no life if there is nothing to pay for the apartment, to feed the children. And eat it yourself. There will be starvation. Here, history doesn’t teach anything. It doesn’t teach what to share with the people. And not only wealthy bosses live. Does not teach that you need to take care of the people and the country. Otherwise, the people will die out. There will be no one to protect the country and bosses.
    There was the USSR, and there was no such thing. The people were more protected.
    1. cat
      0
      7 March 2015 19: 50
      Go to work
  21. +3
    24 February 2015 17: 32
    Quote: Alex_36
    Just don’t panic and misunderstand the local audience with Russian registration. They have enough work for us. Those who want to work have everything. And lazy people and loafers, they survive, and there’s a special illustration of which all of us beggars - this is the end of the 14th year, when the exchange rate in Russia jumped and how all of us rushed to buy free Russian cars (they became cheaper in dollars). And the bulk are not outbids, but ordinary hard workers from factories plowing for 300-400 cu per month.
    And in our Belarusian networks, yes, constant nagging - we live poorly!

    Our people are not lazy people and loafers! (
  22. +2
    24 February 2015 17: 39
    Quote: lopvlad
    It was not easier to agree on the development and production of arms of Russia and Belarus together.

    For Russia it’s not easier. Old Man and now a lot of concessions and free financial assistance require every year (this is the Belarusian economic miracle).
    The funny thing is that Belarus without a market and loans from Russia will collapse at a time, along with the standard of living of Belarusians.
    The attempt to sit on two chairs (Russia and the West) and the internal policy in the style of "Belarus and Europe" has already failed many.
    Now, when importing Ukrainian products, Russia also needs to import Belarusian products.
    For a long time, the time of states with a small territory that can become an empire has passed. For an empire and influence, a large territory is needed and preferably with all resources.
    Whatever weapon Belarus riveted, but it will never be able to withstand the United States or Russia (and all of a sudden). Therefore, a choice must be made and this choice is obvious in favor of Russia.

    Ay! Tired! This dad doesn’t know what to do with this Belarus. Such a little one needs to bloom and smell. And she is like a half-finished nedobit. I would join Russia, but your Vovan was asked to leave-in Belarus, like Kadyrov in Chechnya . Che is not clear, presses for power.
    His only merit is that there is no war with us, quietly, peacefully, children can be fearlessly allowed to go for a walk around the country and at any time, they do not blow up anything and will not explode. That's all!
    1. +4
      24 February 2015 17: 50
      Also Belarusian:
      MLRS "BelGrad":

      Self-propelled ATGM "Karakal":

      1. avt
        0
        24 February 2015 18: 53
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Also Belarusian:
        MLRS "BelGrad":

        And how does it differ from the Soviet "Grada"? Is it a car? Is it somehow modernized like a "Tornado G"?
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Self-propelled ATGM "Karakal":

        No. This is not an army car. Rather, it’s a collector’s, well, maybe a policeman. Then the question - why did he need ATGM? That's when it’s understandable to put a goose on a BRDM-2 base. And this is why?
        1. 0
          24 February 2015 19: 44
          Quote: avt
          And how does it differ from the Soviet "Grada"? Is it a car? Is it somehow modernized like a "Tornado G"?

          In principle, the same modernization as Thor, Pecher, Osa.
          But ammunition "with you" and promise to improve the MSA.

          This is not an army car. Rather, it’s a collector’s, well, maybe a policeman. Then the question - why did he need ATGM? That's when it’s understandable to put a goose on a BRDM-2 base. And this is why?

          Well, this car is similar to our Tiger, so what about collector you in vain:
          1. avt
            -1
            24 February 2015 20: 25
            Quote: quilted jacket
            Well this car is similar to our Tiger,

            I.e
            Quote: avt
            Well, maybe a policeman .T

            What I'm actually talking about, "Tiger" is also not a full replacement for the BRDM-2, as a full-fledged army unit.
            1. +2
              24 February 2015 20: 56
              Quote: avt
              I.e

              That is, a light armored vehicle, including one adapted for mounting various weapons.
              What I'm actually talking about, "Tiger" is also not a full replacement for the BRDM-2, as a full-fledged army unit.

              Well, this is now a global trend. Look, for example, why only Hammers do not put from a 7.62-mm machine gun to an air defense system.
              By the way, the air defense system stylet is also Belarus.
        2. 0
          24 February 2015 19: 58
          Quote: avt
          And how does it differ from the Soviet "Grada"? Is it a car? Is it somehow modernized like a "Tornado G"?

          And they did not seek. Just in the 90s decided to replace the carburetor Urals. It was economically justified.

          Quote: avt
          This is not an army car.

          What they ordered the Belarusians, they did the Turkmens. And so this is practically an analogue of "Tiger" with "Cornet". Somewhat advanced - there is a possibility of remote control of fire.
  23. +3
    24 February 2015 17: 57
    Quote: c1n7
    Quote: Alex Danilov
    What do you envy us?

    But is this not enough? -
    Quote: Alex Danilov
    Just quietly and there is no war and they do not blow anything

    Life, not money, is the highest value. History will not teach anything to those who are blind and deaf, alas.

    Why in the west that we hate do people live better ???? People are paid salaries, unions protect workers, and not that we have a name on a piece of paper to wipe the toilet. A working person is nobody. I’m not talking about a peasant. A village is an extinct organism. In the museum they’ll only talk about the village. No salaries at all, pay like donkey only from dawn to dawn, for nothing. Well, to what it all led. Yes, abroad, for one allowance, you can live without working at all there. Survive the way we survive. Does this mean anything?
    You know, apparently history does not teach exactly anything that people need to share and take care of the people and the country. As much as we shouted, patriots, and to be honest, if we continue to treat people like pigs, we’ll ruin everything else.
    Fact.
    Harboring! Yes, we’re cool, we’ll tear all of you, yes we’ll .... You know, when you come home, look at hungry children, look at your nervous wife, I’d like to say, you go on * .... How many more stories will you poke your face in the bunker?
    1. +1
      24 February 2015 18: 13
      Have you seen whom Lukashenko pinned and how ???? Directors of some vodka factories! And KAAAK! ??? How much dough did he give ?? For what???? FOR VODKA ????
      * la no words! But why didn’t he award the same combine or peasant, worker ???? He did something useful, bread, or some product, not vodka. Idiocy.
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    3. +1
      24 February 2015 20: 48
      A saying from the 90s: thinking about people - you won’t earn money. And you will not be able to speed up the allowance abroad. They also eat doshirak, pay an expensive communal apartment, and scam around the exchanges all the time. And they don’t have such an opportunity to haul potatoes and cucumbers from the cellar, honestly picked in the gardens.
    4. -1
      24 February 2015 21: 13
      And now everything is clear.
      Quote: Alex Danilov
      You know, when you come home, you look at hungry children, at your nervous wife, you just want to say, you go to * .... th!
      Yes you, buddy, a loser in life. I'm sorry...
    5. -1
      24 February 2015 21: 19
      Hey, Danilov, you get the impression that you are some kind of provocateur. Do not here this tragedy of "hungry children and a nervous wife." Do you have hungry children at home? Or do you mean we have such families where there are hungry children? and there are such, then these are some drunks.
      And about the lack of work. Now the opportunities for self-fulfillment, even in our Republic of Belarus, are much higher than those under the Union. Would there be a desire. They pay little at the plant? So it was necessary to go to school after 9th grade, but after the 11th I entered the institute. We sat in classrooms, sorted out papers. But we did not cry for fate.
      In our country in Bobruisk more than one plant is not claiming closure.
      1. +1
        24 February 2015 22: 10
        Alex, I visited a friend in Bobruisk recently - not everything is so rosy
      2. 0
        25 February 2015 22: 48
        Quote: Alex_36
        Hey, Danilov, you get the impression that you are some kind of provocateur. Do not here this tragedy of "hungry children and a nervous wife." Do you have hungry children at home? Or do you mean we have such families where there are hungry children? and there are such, then these are some drunks.
        And about the lack of work. Now the opportunities for self-fulfillment, even in our Republic of Belarus, are much higher than those under the Union. Would there be a desire. They pay little at the plant? So it was necessary to go to school after 9th grade, but after the 11th I entered the institute. We sat in classrooms, sorted out papers. But we did not cry for fate.
        In our country in Bobruisk more than one plant is not claiming closure.

        brsm-sky trepach ... spits according to the manual of onion ... an ordinary gebesh bot .. scat from here yap terry ... and damned gebnya we still put on cola ...
    6. Pervusha Isaev
      +2
      24 February 2015 21: 56
      Quote: Alex Danilov
      Why in the west that we hate do people live better ???? People pay salaries, trade unions protect workers, and not just what we have, the name on a piece of paper, which is to wipe the toilet.



      the first Western countries are countries that live on credit, every year the budget expenditure item is replenished with new debt obligations, if you subtract these replenishment, you will not be able to make up the budget, you will have to cut budget employees and the army and much more, Belarus He can’t afford it and lives exclusively within his means, and even Putin for gas prices inflates, every year ...
  24. +2
    24 February 2015 20: 39
    We also forgot to recall the Belarusian Grif-1 drones, which are being launched at 558 ARZs in Baranavichy.
    1. +3
      24 February 2015 21: 00
      Unmanned aerial complex "Grif-100E"

      Tactical unmanned aerial system "Berkut-2E"

      Tactical unmanned aerial system "Berkut-1E"
  25. +1
    24 February 2015 21: 15
    As much as 10 million Belarus does with the father at the head in the development of its weapons, often not even the same 40 million Ukraine can afford feel
  26. +1
    24 February 2015 22: 10
    Invite BATKA to the LADY's place, he could quickly put on his feet a lot, God forbid everyone has a grip, not like the iPhone with "effective managers", by the way I think he would quickly "wind up" them.
  27. 0
    24 February 2015 22: 44
    A uniform would have been better developed, a Russian conscript is dressed better than a Belarusian officer
  28. -1
    25 February 2015 01: 16
    Quote: Oldman
    Quote: Alex Danilov
    Do not wish people harm — you will return to your children. Do not think that you are so chosen. We all walk under God.

    It is right. However, before dissolving snot here and wringing your hands about the heavy share of Belarusians, think over your brains and think to whom it is easy now. If you want to live better - work hard, study, take the initiative, create a margin of safety. Today, there are all possibilities for this, including in Belarus. What do you lack to become successful, what is stopping you? Lukashenko? Lack of freedom of speech, do you want to ride on the Maidan?

    To whom do you write this nonsense?
  29. +1
    25 February 2015 01: 17
    Quote: Oldman
    And now everything is clear.
    Quote: Alex Danilov
    You know, when you come home, you look at hungry children, at your nervous wife, you just want to say, you go to * .... th!
    Yes you, buddy, a loser in life. I'm sorry...

    And you-straight "lucky". Dad-chief attached?
  30. +1
    25 February 2015 01: 20
    Quote: Alex_36
    Hey, Danilov, you get the impression that you are some kind of provocateur. Do not here this tragedy of "hungry children and a nervous wife." Do you have hungry children at home? Or do you mean we have such families where there are hungry children? and there are such, then these are some drunks.
    And about the lack of work. Now the opportunities for self-fulfillment, even in our Republic of Belarus, are much higher than those under the Union. Would there be a desire. They pay little at the plant? So it was necessary to go to school after 9th grade, but after the 11th I entered the institute. We sat in classrooms, sorted out papers. But we did not cry for fate.
    In our country in Bobruisk more than one plant is not claiming closure.

    There are such families and parents are not drunks. And therefore, no one wants to give birth to us, there is nothing to feed. Do not tell fairy tales. We also know about smart people who have finished the institutes for bucks. Now they’re sitting and they can’t create anything worthwhile.
  31. 0
    25 February 2015 01: 25
    Quote: Chukigek
    A saying from the 90s: thinking about people - you won’t earn money. And you will not be able to speed up the allowance abroad. They also eat doshirak, pay an expensive communal apartment, and scam around the exchanges all the time. And they don’t have such an opportunity to haul potatoes and cucumbers from the cellar, honestly picked in the gardens.

    And why the heck they pull these cucumbers ??? Explain to them why they need it?
  32. 0
    25 February 2015 01: 28
    Quote: Pervusha Isaev
    Quote: Alex Danilov
    Why in the west that we hate do people live better ???? People pay salaries, trade unions protect workers, and not just what we have, the name on a piece of paper, which is to wipe the toilet.



    the first Western countries are countries that live on credit, every year the budget expenditure item is replenished with new debt obligations, if you subtract these replenishment, you will not be able to make up the budget, you will have to cut budget employees and the army and much more, Belarus He can’t afford it and lives exclusively within his means, and even Putin for gas prices inflates, every year ...

    Blah blah blah blah blah blah
    Belarus cannot afford it. You forgot to write about Japan, which also has no nichrome. And what ????
  33. +1
    25 February 2015 01: 36
    Quote: Oldman
    Quote: Alex Danilov
    Do not wish people harm — you will return to your children. Do not think that you are so chosen. We all walk under God.

    It is right. However, before dissolving snot here and wringing your hands about the heavy share of Belarusians, think over your brains and think to whom it is easy now. If you want to live better - work hard, study, take the initiative, create a margin of safety. Today, there are all possibilities for this, including in Belarus. What do you lack to become successful, what is stopping you? Lukashenko? Lack of freedom of speech, do you want to ride on the Maidan?

    Here's to whom you write this nonsense?
    What am I missing ??? Presidential chairs. I would have used these bosses-turned upside down-and shook the stolen goods.
    1. cat
      -1
      7 March 2015 20: 03
      Alex Danilov

      You just jacked off this thread, get hold of
  34. Mikhalych63
    +2
    25 February 2015 04: 13
    I don’t understand why Belarus, and Ukraine, would have to have their own armed forces, spend money on them? .. We entered into agreements with Russia to repulse attacks from outside and rest on our laurels. For example, today's Ukraine wouldn’t have troops, but police would be internal troops and bloodshed would not have happened. Mania of grandeur is incorrigible among state leaders, and pragmatism is zero. The Ukrainian Fuhrer is also asking the United States for arms supplies to further kill its own citizens. Is this Fuhrer head? ..
  35. -1
    25 February 2015 12: 34
    Quote: Mikhalych63
    I don’t understand why Belarus, and Ukraine, would have to have their own armed forces, spend money on them? .. We entered into agreements with Russia to repulse attacks from outside and rest on our laurels. For example, today's Ukraine wouldn’t have troops, but police would be internal troops and bloodshed would not have happened. Mania of grandeur is incorrigible among state leaders, and pragmatism is zero. The Ukrainian Fuhrer is also asking the United States for arms supplies to further kill its own citizens. Is this Fuhrer head? ..

    Because these are different states. This is not Russia. In order for it to be as you write, Belarus needs to be a part of Russia — and Russia would send its troops to Belarus. And this is Belarus, a separate state.
  36. +1
    25 February 2015 22: 29
    what do you read nonsense here such that the fur coat is wrapping up ... in the country hunger will soon be ... sn 200 Baku happiness ... what army? this is nonsense .. we have one crap and junk ... what developments ... a permanent crisis .... the unemployed are charged with darkness and they are taxed with a quitrent ... they introduce an article for parasitism, killing thousands ... we have a complete Arctic fox ... us and there’s no need to conquer ... we’ll take a break soon ... the army of morons is always in the alcohol coma ... Belarus is the first in the world in alcohol consumption in the world .. country of alcoholics debiloids ... they’re talking about development ... God grant that gobble up ....
  37. 0
    26 February 2015 00: 48
    Quote: Bagniuk
    what do you read nonsense here such that the fur coat is wrapping up ... in the country hunger will soon be ... sn 200 Baku happiness ... what army? this is nonsense .. we have one crap and junk ... what developments ... a permanent crisis .... the unemployed are charged with darkness and they are taxed with a quitrent ... they introduce an article for parasitism, killing thousands ... we have a complete Arctic fox ... us and there’s no need to conquer ... we’ll take a break soon ... the army of morons is always in the alcohol coma ... Belarus is the first in the world in alcohol consumption in the world .. country of alcoholics debiloids ... they’re talking about development ... God grant that gobble up ....

    Well, about the army, it’s not necessary. We have special units that are excellent. And the army is more or less supported. Otherwise, I completely agree with you. Well, besides that we have a country of debiloids and drunks. There are alcoholics, but not so much. A debiloid-in-power sit-bosses .... (
    Well, the rest is all true.
    1. cat
      -1
      7 March 2015 20: 04
      Quote: Alex Danilov
      debiloid


      It's for sure
  38. +3
    26 February 2015 19: 48
    Belarusians well done. But if that, we will cover allies from enemies!

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