Who shot down the Malaysian Boeing?

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The answer to this question does not like the US and Europe

The photograph, more similar not to the original, but to some generalized satellite reconnaissance, was shown on the First Channel and literally blew up the Internet - everyone rushed to discuss whether it was a fake. Many expressed it - except for officials and interested departments. MIC does not plan to participate in the discussion, but is willing to share with the readers the source material that caused the release of the sensational picture. This is a situational analysis of the disaster prepared by the Russian Union of Engineers.

Malaysia Airlines' Boeing 777 (Amsterdam - Kuala Lumpur) aircraft flew from Amsterdam Schiphol Airport to 10.14 UTC (14.14 Moscow time) 17.07.2014 and was supposed to arrive at its destination in 6.10 local time (22.10 UTC / 2: 10 MSK).

The flight was carried out by the third swing crew. According to the British Daily Mail, the pilots expressed concerns about the risky route.

In 16.15 Kiev time (14.15 GMT), the Ukrainian air traffic controllers first lost their connection with the MH17 flight, and in 16.20 (14.20 GMT) it completely disappeared from the radar of the Dnipropetrovsk dispatch center. In 16.45 (14.45 GMT) a signal of an emergency airliner beacon was discovered three kilometers north-west of the village of Grabovo, Shakhtarsky District, Donetsk Region, which is located 78 kilometers from Donetsk and approximately 50 kilometers from the Russian border. Subsequently, the wreckage of the aircraft found burning on the ground in Ukraine. The plane crashed near the village of Hrabovo (near the town of Torez).

Who shot down the Malaysian Boeing?


Conducting a situational analysis is due to the need to identify the external and internal factors that caused the death of Boeing 777, as well as to determine the circle of persons involved in this situation and the parties interested in deriving any benefit from this event and legally responsible for it.

The Russian Union of Engineers (RSI) created an analytical group led by Ivan Andrievsky - a team of highly qualified specialists. The final work was first of all presented to the President of the Center for International Geopolitical Analysis - Colonel General of the Reserve, Doctor historical Sciences, Professor Leonid Ivashov and received his positive assessment.

To conduct a situational analysis, the following input data were taken into account:

- conclusions from the engineering and technical analysis of the causes of the death of the Boeing 777 earlier conducted by RSI experts;
- assessment of the airspace in the area of ​​the disaster;
-evaluation of the military infrastructure in the area of ​​the disaster;
-evaluation of the mechanism for making managerial decisions that resulted in the destruction of a civilian aircraft and the structure of command and control of troops in the area of ​​the antiterrorist operation (ATO) by the authorities of Ukraine;
-evaluation of the state of the military-political situation in the area before and after the catastrophe;
-evaluation of the coverage of the death of Boeing 777 by officials and the media (speeches by leaders of European countries, Malaysia and the USA);
- the process of investigating the causes of the disaster
-the preliminary results of the investigation of the Netherlands Security Council from 09.09.2014;
- conclusions of other experts.

Conclusions from an earlier technical analysis by RCI experts of the causes of the death of the Boeing 777. According to RCI analysts, it occurred as a result of its complex defeat both with missile weapons of a combat aircraft (melee air-to-air missile) and with cannon weapons using 30 -mm aviation gun or container SPPU-22 with a double-barreled 23-mm gun GSH-23L. Perhaps a laser rangefinder or sight was used, which can significantly increase accuracy. The nature of the damage and the expansion of the fragments indicate the use of two types weapons: There are also round holes in the wreckage of Boeing, which are usually obtained as a result of cannon shots, and tearing holes, typical of missiles with arrow-shaped striking elements (for example, P-27).

The territory of the Donetsk region in the area of ​​the death of Boeing 777 (north-west of the village of Grabovo, Shakhtarsky district and approximately 50 kilometers from the border with Russia) 17 July 2014 was under the control of self-defense forces. At the same time only ground was under control, but not air. Fighting between the armed forces of Ukraine, the National Guard and volunteer battalions on the one hand and the DPR militia on the other was conducted on this territory.

Government forces and formations used heavy weapons.

8 July Kiev closed the airspace in the combat zone with the wording: "In order to ensure an adequate level of flight safety." The corresponding ban issued by the State Aviation Service.

Ukrainian authorities closed the airspace above the conflict zone from July 1 to a height of 7900 meters (26 000 feet) for civil aviation, and from July 14 to 9800 meters (32 000 feet). The International Air Transport Association (IATA) stated that, according to its data, there were no restrictions on flights in the space followed by the Malaysian airliner, and the European Organization for the Safety of Air Navigation indicates that the space was closed by the Ukrainian authorities on the route of the airliner. to flight level 320, and at flight level 330 (33 000 feet), on which the aircraft followed, flights were allowed. According to the airline’s press release, the MH17 flight plan provided for the use of 35 000 ft echelon throughout the entire route through Ukraine’s airspace, but Ukrainian air traffic controllers instructed him to use 33 XEUMF echelon.

By the time the Malaysian Boeing 777 disappeared from radar screens, British Airways, all US airlines, Lufthansa, Air France and Australian Quantas have already added extra 20 minutes to their routes to bypass the danger zone in southeast Ukraine.

At the time of the death of the Boeing 777 in the country's airspace there were three civilian aircraft performing regular flights: from Copenhagen to Singapore to 17.17, from Paris to Taipei to 17.24, from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. In addition, Russian means of controlling the air situation recorded a climb of Ukrainian Air Force aircraft, presumably Su-25, in the direction of the Malaysian airliner. The removal of the Su-25 from the Boeing 777 was between three and five kilometers.

18 July, a senior Eurocontrol dispatcher Brian Flynn said that due to a plane crash around 350 flights a day, including 150 international, will be changed due to the ban on civil aviation flights over eastern Ukraine.

As stated in the preliminary report presented by the Netherlands side of 9 September, “the plane deviated from the course without permission. At 12.53 (UTC or at 15.53 local time), the aircraft flew under the control of the Dnipropetrovsk air traffic control unit, in the 2 sector at FL330 flight level. At this point, the dispatcher asks the board if they can gain altitude and take FL350 to avoid intersections with another Boeing 777 that is flying behind. The board responds that it will not be able to take 350, and asks to continue the flight on 330. The dispatcher agrees and, in order to avoid dangerous approaches, sends another liner to the 350 train. In 13.00, the crew of MH17 asks permission to deviate twenty nautical miles to the left for weather reasons. Dispatcher permits. After that, the board asks if the 340 train is available. The dispatcher temporarily rejects the request, indicating while to remain on 330. In 13.19.53 (according to radar data), the board was in the 3,6 nautical mile from the center line of the L980 route. That is, deviated from the course. The dispatcher instructs the board to establish a direct course to the RND waypoint due to the presence of other traffic. The liner team acknowledges receipt of instructions in 13.19.56. This was the last thing the dispatcher heard from the crew. Four seconds later, on 13.20.00, the dispatcher sends the board permission to control the motion control after the RND waypoint immediately to the TIKNA point, but does not receive a response. ”

According to analysts of RSI, one of the reasons for the increased interest in media coverage of the death of the Boeing 777 was its deviation from the usual route to the north and the span over the territory controlled by the DPR militia forces. And also the fact that the explanation of the reasons for this contradict each other.

Evaluation of military infrastructure in the area of ​​the death of Boeing 777

The military grouping involved in the ATO in the east of Ukraine consisted of units of the armed forces and territorial defense of Ukraine, the Ministry of Internal Affairs (police and national guard units), the State Border Service of Ukraine, the SBU and the State Guard Department. According to the statement of Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, as of August, the grouping reached 50 000 people.

According to the data provided by the Chief of the Main Operational Directorate, Lieutenant-General Andrei Kartapolov, Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, at a special briefing on the crash of the MH21 flight on July 17, on the day of the crash of the Malaysian Boeing 777, the APU air defense group near the Project Team of Unarte-19 division of the complex "Buk-M1". “In the morning of the same day, near the settlement Zaroshchynskoye, which is 50 kilometers east of Donetsk and eight kilometers south of Shakhtersk, the Buk battery was discovered. Representatives of the Russian Ministry of Defense also reported that on the day of the death of the Malaysian Boeing, they had fixed work on several radars of the Ukrainian battery of the Buk-М1 air defense system and the subsequent redeployment from the area of ​​the Zaroshchinsky point closer to Donetsk.

Attention is drawn to the fact that the militias do not and did not have their own planes and that there is no military need to form a grouping of air defense systems in this area. In addition, in the absence of funds for the ATO just move such a large amount of equipment, without giving her any task, it is meaningless. The second aspect of this question is that only a very high military leadership can do this.

According to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, by July 17, the intensity of the work of Ukrainian 9-18 “Kupol-M1” radar stations of the Buk anti-aircraft complex increased to the maximum. June 15 involved seven stations, July 16 eight, and July 17 nine. Since July 18, work intensity has dropped dramatically.

Two questions arise. For what tasks were the SAMs deployed to this point? Why at this time increased the activity of the radar, which are part of the air defense system, what they were looking for in the sky?

As reported by 7 in July, the Minister of Defense of the Luhansk People's Republic, Igor Plotnitsky, representatives of the people's militia of the LNR seized a military plane of the Ukrainian Air Force. It was about the Su-25 attack aircraft, which "is being renovated and will soon be able to serve the republic's militiamen." Other reports about this aircraft and the possibility of its combat use have been reported. Also there was no information about the presence of aviation in the DPR forces, especially about its use.

Did not find confirmation of the message of the Ukrainian side that the militia has a Buk-М1 air defense missile system capable of destroying air targets in the range of heights and speeds similar to the Boeing 777. Even the Ukrainian authorities themselves refused accusations that the airliner could have been shot down by those captured by the militias in Avdeevka air defense missile system.

In the first hours after the disaster, the adviser to the Minister of Internal Affairs, Anton Gerashchenko, said that the authorities had recorded the presence of the Buk installation in the militia, which was moving “in the area of ​​the cities of Torez and Snezhnoye”. However, the same evening, a source in the leadership of the ATO said that the rebels in the south-east of Ukraine did not have weapons capable of shooting down an airplane at a height above 10 kilometers.

The death of the Boeing 777 as a result of the use of aircraft armament could only follow from the armed forces of the party to the conflict, which has combat aircraft, an aerodrome-technical network and navigation equipment, as well as trained personnel. It should be noted that the DPR forces did not have either one or the other.

Evaluation of the mechanism for the adoption of military-political management decisions that entailed the destruction of a civilian aircraft, and the structure of command and control in the area of ​​the antiterrorist operation (ATO) by the Ukrainian authorities (according to theinsider.ua)

The Law of Ukraine of 31 of May 2005 of the Year No. 2600-IV (with amendments and additions) “On Combating Terrorism” is based, in particular, on the principle of unity of command in guiding the forces and means used for conducting antiterrorist operations. According to the law, the chief of the anti-terrorist operation is the first deputy head of the Security Service of Ukraine, who is also the head of the anti-terrorist center of the special services. It is under his command that all units of other security agencies that have anti-terrorist units are transferred: the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the State Border Service, the Ministry of Defense, the State Guard Directorate, as well as officials of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and other central authorities, who are coordinated to delegate to the counterterrorism headquarters.

Information on the activities of the ATO headquarters, which is held in the Donbass, is classified as state secrets. Any interest from journalists or the public to the leadership of the ATO causes an extremely painful reaction from the ATO and the competent authorities.

Coordination of all security and civilian agencies involved in the ATO is carried out by the Anti-Terrorism Center (ATC) under the Security Service of Ukraine. The ATC has its headquarters, which at the time of the death of Boeing led the fighting in the Donbass, and the Interdepartmental Coordination Commission (IWC) of the ATC, coordinating activities in the ATO area.

For the direct day-to-day management of the ATO and control of the situation in its area, the operational headquarters of the ATO operates, the key role in which belongs to the Security Service of Ukraine, the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

The first head of the ATC in a real armed conflict in the Donbass and the paralysis of the authorities was and. about. the head of this structure, Vitaly Tsyganok, appointed to the post of March 1. July 7 Petro Poroshenko appointed as head of the ATC Vasyl Gritsak. Perhaps this appointment meant the refusal of the leadership of the Security Service of Ukraine from claims to the actual leadership of the fighting in the ATO zone. From this point on, the main responsibility for their conduct finally fell on the military, namely the General Headquarters of the Armed Forces and its chief, Victor Muzhenko. Since June, the role of the ICC as a coordinating body has significantly decreased, while at the same time the role of the “small headquarters” - the operational headquarters of the ATO, in which the main role is played by Victor Muzhenko, Vasily Gritsak, Sergey Yarovoy and Commander of the National Guard Stepan Poltorak.

Each of them relies on the branched apparatus of its departments, if necessary using the direct support of ministers. For example, the deputy Poltorak Nikolay Balan, who previously held the post of head of the Crimean territorial command of the Interior Ministry’s troops, is responsible for equipping the National Guard under the ATO zone with equipment and weapons. In this case, constant control over the activities of the National Guard under the ATO zone is carried out personally by Interior Minister Arsen Avakov. Thus, in the absence of a clear regulation of the competencies of command and control structures for fighting in the ATO zone, there are signs of “controlled chaos” and a desire to avoid personal responsibility for the orders given.

At the same time, in the armed forces of any state there is a clear system of official hierarchy of decision-making and return of combat orders. Especially if units and subunits of various types of aircraft are involved in the combat zone.

In this case, they used both ground defense units providing air reconnaissance and information at command posts, as well as aviation units, including not only combat aircraft and their crews, but also a large number of ground personnel, including navigators of guidance, spotters, airfield support staff, etc.

It is logical to assume that the decision on the combat use of various types of military force, especially when combat operations are carried out by subunits of various law enforcement agencies, is authorized to be taken exclusively by an official who has authority over the troops under his command and armed formations. That is, the top management of the ATO.

Analyzing the consequences of the death of Boeing 777, it is necessary to answer the question: who got the benefit in this situation and which side suffered losses?

As for the victims, they are the DNR, the Russian Federation and, oddly enough, Malaysia. The latter, in addition to real human sacrifices, suffered economic damage - Malaysian Airlines shares fell 18 July by 11,1 percent. Malaysia Airlines has been working in the minus for several years already, since the beginning of 2011, the losses have exceeded 4,5 billion ringgits (1,4 billion dollars). Over the past nine months, its market value has decreased by more than 40 percent.

“The US security services have already played off a similar scenario with the South Korean Boeing, shot down by a Soviet fighter in 1983,”
The company and, accordingly, the country-owner suffered significant reputational losses in terms of the attractiveness of their service to tourists. Statements by the Malaysian side about the available intelligence on the causes of the death of Boeing 777 and the need to conduct an objective investigation do not find the proper response from the world community. Malaysia no one hears.

The DPR has become the main culprit in the catastrophe in the eyes of the world community, and the condemnation of the republic also affected Russia as an “accomplice of the terrorists”.

At the same time, it is obvious that the death of the Boeing 777 brought great benefit to the new authorities in Kiev, who needed international financial and military-technical assistance, political and informational support in order to reverse the unfavorable operational situation in Donbass and stay at the helm. Most of the benefits received and continues to receive the Ukrainian "war party", including:

high-ranking military and representatives of law enforcement agencies involved in the ATO and interested in continuing the fighting because of the desire to cash in on the supply of troops;
nationalist deputies who play on the feelings of a poorly educated electorate, as exemplified by Oleg Lyashko;
oligarchs, a prominent representative of which is the head of the Dnipropetrovsk region billionaire Igor Kolomoisky - one of the most powerful leaders of the "war party".


Forcing up tension allows the oligarchs of Ukraine to actively redistribute property belonging to the clan of the “Donetsk group”, which is unfriendly to them.

For the long months of bloody confrontation in the east of Ukraine, oligarchic circles in the person of Kolomoisky and others have taken strong positions and are striving to strengthen them.



One of the tasks of the “war party” is to stop the advancement of social protests deep into Ukraine. The main goal is money. Many oligarchs have their own economic interests in the military sphere.

In the Donetsk region, the most industrialized region that has been a donor of the budget of Ukraine for 20 for years, the assets owned by Rinat Akhmetov, who was recently called the “master of Donbass”, prevail. Who will be able to quickly seize assets in the Donbas and Luhansk region will be the true owner of these regions.

Igor Kolomoisky said: “The state today is simply obliged to confiscate property, factories, shares of separatist supporters. Everyone who financed and continues to finance terror in the country. ” This is the main task of Kolomoisky.

He proposes to transfer the confiscated property to a special joint stock company, in which the shareholders will be participants of the ATO, veterans, and relatives of the victims. According to Forbes, thanks to the financial support of Kolomoisky Oblast, she created four armed units of her own: two battalions of the special forces Dnepr-1 and Dnepr-2, as well as two battalions of territorial defense. Pay volunteers from 1260 dollars per month. For comparison: the average salary in Ukraine is 272 dollars (according to the State Statistics Service of the country for April 2014), about the same amount is received by an ordinary contract soldier serving in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

On the fighters Kolomoisky respectfully even their opponents. “I would not call them (“ Dnepr ”) a gang. They can be called a private army. They do not hesitate to advertise their affiliation. They are well armed. They are the most organized, the most motivated and the most aggressive ”(from an interview with Roman Lyagin, the chairman of the Central Election Commission of the Donetsk People's Republic). Former DPR Prime Minister Alexander Boroday argued that the republic "is in a state of war with the group and troops of Kolomoisky." It was these troops that played an important psychological role: at the very beginning of the ATO, when the Ukrainian army was falling apart, the Dnipro battalion looked like the only real force opposing the DPR.

In 2014, Kolomoisky played a win-win game: he first started the creation of volunteer battalions, promised rewards for the heads of the separatists, began to pursue them in his area and for some couple of months in the eyes of the townsfolk turned into the main defender of Ukraine, who can now afford to speak with accusations against other oligarchs and offering to expropriate their property. For comparison: the oligarch Sergey Taruta, who was appointed simultaneously with the Kolomoisky, who inherited the problematic Donetsk region, did not show himself in any way. He did not assemble his battalion, did not declare war on the separatists, did not appoint an award for the head of the field commander of the DPR Alexander Mozhayev, known by the nickname Babai. As a result, he was dismissed. The longer the ATO lasts, the more the Ukrainians are disappointed in the new president, and the more influential is Kolomoisky.

His activities on the day of the death of Boeing 777 and in previous ones should be the subject of close attention. This was stated by the Vice-Speaker of the State Duma, Secretary of the General Council of United Russia, Sergei Neverov: “It is worth remembering the fact that oligarch Igor Kolomoisky owned a number of Ukrainian airlines: Ukraine’s International Airlines, Dniproavia, Aerosvit, but even more interesting - they are fully funded by the work of dispatching services of Dnepropetrovsk, responsible for the wiring of the tragic flight, as well as to a large extent the technical support of dispatching services throughout Ukraine. ” In October 2014, the Independent Netherlands Political Party appealed to the International Criminal Court in The Hague with the aim of opening a criminal case against Kolomoisky.

Another beneficiary is the North Atlantic Alliance, for the leadership of which, in the person of former Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen, and Jens Stoltenberg, who replaced him, the death of Boeing 777 was one of the reasons for pursuing the policy of NATO expansion to the east. In an interview with the French edition of Midi Libre, Rasmussen called the plane crash that took place on July 17 in eastern Ukraine a human tragedy, which is also a war crime, and said that the alliance has numerous data indicating that the separatists supported by Russia are guilty in it. However, NATO leaders prefer to avoid evidencing the facts supporting their statements.

The main benefit of the consequences of the death of Boeing 777 was extracted by the administration of Barack Obama, who influenced the position of the heads of European states and the EU to apply regular sanctions against Russia, the introduction of which had been stalled for several months. On July 26, Barack Obama told CNBC TV: “Sadly, the crash of the Malaysian Airlines plane, which may well have been shot down by non-state actors who received extremely powerful weapons from the Russian government, could result in our European partners will toughen their position. ”

As is known, the Russian Federation and the EU have suffered from economic sanctions.

The main result of the death of Boeing was the change in attitudes towards Russia on the world stage and the further isolation of the country. On the other hand, Kiev secretly demanded protection from such an “aggressive” neighbor, therefore the EU and the US have accelerated its integration into the western space.

The technology that the US successfully uses in such cases is network and contactless wars, ensuring the seizure of territory, establishing control over it without the use of conventional, classical weapons, and, if possible, without any direct aggression. A similar scenario, the American security services have already played with the South Korean Boeing, shot down by a Soviet fighter in 1983 year. Then it strengthened the isolation of the USSR from the world community and contributed to the disintegration of the Soviet Union.

According to the experts of the RSI analytical group, the main beneficiary of the death of Boeing 777 is the Anglo-Saxon world: the United States and the United Kingdom.

At the same time, the United States has already gained the benefit, regardless of what the results of the commission of inquiry come to. The benefit lies in the economic pressure on the Russian Federation and on European countries that feel retaliatory Russian sanctions. As a result of the weakening of the economic potential of the Old World and the creation there of another hotbed of tension, the United States is increasing its influence on the world community.

Final conclusions

Before the death of Boeing 777, the information about the situation in Ukraine came down from the front pages of the international media. The Kiev authorities suffered military and political defeat due to their inability to suppress the resistance of the militia of the DPR and LPR, the Western countries were increasingly delayed in making important decisions on this conflict. Financial and military-technical assistance to Ukraine was delayed, and prospects for obtaining it under difficult conditions began to take shape.

The catastrophe of Boeing 777 and the imposition of responsibility for it on the DPR and Russia were a powerful informational reason for a new round of escalation of the conflict and a reason for Ukraine to turn to Western aid.

The death of Boeing 777 is a planned military-political action. The choice of aircraft did not accidentally fall on Malaysia, located far from the scene of the incident, weak politically and politically, unable to defend its interests. A country that has recently ceased to be a colony of Great Britain (1957) and is still under its great influence. The investigation of state of emergency is significantly different in all respects from the similar ones that occurred in the past.

The catastrophe contributed to the introduction of sectoral sanctions against the Russian Federation and the creation in the international information space of the image of Russia and its leader as accomplices of terrorism.

The situation with the death of Boeing 777 led to the creation of an information curtain that distracts attention from the actions of the Ukrainian oligarchs, primarily Igor Kolomoisky, to seize and redistribute property in the southeast.

Direct legal responsibility for the death of Boeing, according to experts of the analytical group, are the supreme leaders of the ATO.

The death of Boeing 777 is a planned action that is geopolitical in nature. It fits into the general concept of the policy of the US administration, which aims to achieve a unipolar world and escalate aggression against the Russian Federation, reduce the economic potential of the country, stop the growth of its influence in the world.
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  1. +16
    19 February 2015 14: 44
    The topic is already old ... Nothing to comment already
    1. +11
      19 February 2015 14: 54
      Yes, how much can you procrastinate this topic? Everything has long been clear and understandable !!! He shot down a plane of the Russian air force ... pilot Putin .. he personally sat at the helm request
      1. +7
        19 February 2015 15: 01
        Quote: jaguar
        He shot down a plane of the Russian air force ... pilot Putin .. he personally sat at the helm
        And the navigator Lavrov was sad
        1. +4
          19 February 2015 15: 09
          They forgot about Shoigu. He also took part!
          1. 0
            21 February 2015 09: 14
            Quote: dobrjak
            They forgot about Shoigu. He also took part!

            No, don't forget laughing . Shoigu PERSONALLY hung up rockets and fired from a flight, matches burning checker engine. feel
            drinks good
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        3. +1
          19 February 2015 15: 12
          A gunner Shoigu.
      2. +14
        19 February 2015 15: 07
        Quote: jaguar
        He shot down a plane of the Russian air force ... pilot Putin .. he personally sat at the helm


        Is going rumor among Svidomoas in Hero City Odessa was spotted.

        Clickable
        1. +1
          19 February 2015 16: 05
          It has been written that Putin’s double has been broadcast on television in Ukraine for three months now and there he threatens to take over Ukraine. I haven’t been looking for this video, but it’s also interesting. Putin's double is 10 years younger and his hair is darker. Maybe this is Putin’s double in the photo, he looks really younger.
          1. 0
            19 February 2015 16: 33
            In the summer, relatives from Cherkassy said that they showed on some sort of second-rate channels, and even they saw with surprise that this was a stupid production.
        2. 0
          20 February 2015 18: 29
          in the city of Hero Odessa was spotted.

          Thanks neighing drinks laughing
      3. +4
        19 February 2015 16: 21
        Photo to the studio.
    2. +5
      19 February 2015 15: 11
      Quote: Korvin1000
      The topic is already old ...

      I agree with you, colleague. From the very beginning, two questions had to be answered: 1. Who benefits? 2. Who had the opportunity? The answer is unequivocal - dill! Everything else is verbal and ear noodle. Therefore, they clouded over. negative
      1. 0
        20 February 2015 15: 10
        Quote: Very smart
        Who benefits? 2. Who had the opportunity? The answer is unequivocal - dill!


        Everything is so, it only confuses why our intelligence clicked all this action on the Boeing at the preparation stage and, accordingly, at the destruction stage?
  2. +4
    19 February 2015 14: 45
    Yes, the culprit - the Ukrainian Air Force has long been understood.
    1. +2
      19 February 2015 17: 49
      Quote: Vadim237
      Yes, the culprit - the Ukrainian Air Force has long been understood.


      Not quite so. Operation Boeing 777 was not spontaneous. It was carefully prepared together with the CIA instructors from the CIA, the facts say this: 1. The dispatcher’s command to change the level and change course. 2. Su-25 was in the Boeing’s affected area, onboard weapons, not by chance
      He was pointed at him, and the meeting point in time and place was calculated on the earth long before the hour of X.
  3. +4
    19 February 2015 14: 47
    The West first bangs Parashenka, with the hands of some thread of maydanut, and then declares him guilty of everything. While there is an accumulation of crap to merge everything at once.
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    2. -2
      19 February 2015 17: 00
      Poroshenko, what is to blame? The main culprits are Turchinov and Yatsenyuk.
      1. +2
        19 February 2015 17: 55
        Quote: I readNews
        Poroshenko, what is to blame? The main culprits are Turchinov and Yatsenyuk.

        The head of state is responsible for everything that happens in his country. No need to make a chocolate bunny out of him.
    3. Viktor Kudinov
      +3
      19 February 2015 17: 16
      He himself, he is an intelligent boy, he knows how to use a rope. crying
  4. +1
    19 February 2015 14: 48
    The death of the Boeing 777 is a planned military-political action

    it is clear to everyone. So, to put a Boeing jewelry on a piece of land belonging to the militias, because a few seconds later or earlier, the plane would have crashed in Russia or in the dill territory.
    1. 0
      19 February 2015 15: 42
      From the border with Russia to the crash site was about 50 km. At a speed of 900 km / h, the flight time is not seconds, but 200 seconds, i.e. about 3 minutes.
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  6. +1
    19 February 2015 14: 54
    Kiev "huntyats" cheated themselves in pi .. and think they play an important role in the geopolitical game. But the only game will soon wake them up - quickly jump to the Polish (Romanian) border, with an American (German, English) passport when they will be drained as the situation changes (God forbid, to be caught).
  7. 0
    19 February 2015 14: 57
    The German edition of Wahrheit fuer Deutschland published a sensational statement by a Ukrainian pilot admitting responsibility for the destruction of the Malaysia Airlines passenger airliner.
    The pilot of the Su-25 attack aircraft said that it fired at the Boeing-777 from an onboard double-barreled 30-mm gun, and allegedly it was his attack aircraft that was depicted in satellite images provided by the Russian Ministry of Defense.

    Will we crush the water in the mortar again?
  8. 0
    19 February 2015 14: 57
    "The country is in shock" or "The whole country has learned" - these are from PR-agents who have nothing more to say. Let's leave these agents in shock, let them be in it permanently, and will bring us many more funny and funny minutes.
  9. +3
    19 February 2015 15: 03
    Well, what's the point? Boeing has already fulfilled its role and is of no interest to anyone else except Russia. Only she is interested in an objective investigation. But the "train" has left, anyway: sanctions have been introduced and will NEVER be lifted, do not hope. Remember the notorious Jackson-Vanik amendment, as it was like "canceled" in 2012: on November 16, 2012 (this is after so many years of so-called "democratic transformations" in Russia!), The lower house of the US Congress approved a bill that includes the abolition of the Jackson-Vanik amendment and the provision on the imposition of sanctions on the "Magnitsky list". In December, a law combining the "Magnitsky Law" and allowing the president to cancel the amendment with respect to the Russian Federation and Moldova was passed by the Senate. On December 20, 2012, US President Barack Obama signed this law, which was officially called the English. Russia and Moldova Jackson-Vanik Repeal and Sergei Magnitsky Rule of Law Accountability Act of 2012 and became known as the Magnitsky Act. That is, the Jackson-Vanik amendment was replaced by the Magnitsky Law and nothing more.
  10. +2
    19 February 2015 15: 05
    To the old topic, the old statement is: the USA as a TERRORIST COUNTRY must be destroyed, so that what happened with the Boeing MH17 does not happen anywhere else!
  11. +1
    19 February 2015 15: 07
    The entire existence of the United States and the regimes under its control in Western and Eastern Europe in its present form is a real provocation, putting the world on the brink of war. Until people in these countries understand that they are hostages of semi-fascists, semi-criminal individuals who have seized power, nothing will change. But it will be difficult for them to understand, and this will not happen soon, because, robbing other states, the leaders of these entities distribute handouts in the form of "social benefits", etc., to the right and to the left, so that the people do not riot.
  12. 0
    19 February 2015 15: 08
    no one is forgotten and nothing is forgotten. and who is the answer? where is this whore called geyropa with her demonic views on the truth? the answer will probably be soon.
  13. +1
    19 February 2015 15: 11
    we already knew this and guessed who and why! if this article was written by American media ... and so ...
  14. wanderer
    +1
    19 February 2015 15: 18
    ======== if, the Boeing theme is raised again, then it is beneficial for someone ... for someone, something is not clear in this topic ...
    this is alarming.
  15. 0
    19 February 2015 15: 27
    The first photo was recognized as a fake. why is it here
  16. +4
    19 February 2015 15: 27
    Does the "bird" in the photograph look like the SU-25?
    1. +2
      19 February 2015 15: 36
      Quote: ermak.sidorov
      Does the "bird" in the photograph look like the SU-25?

      Absolutely right. Su-27 in silhouette.
      1. 0
        19 February 2015 15: 59
        If the Su-27, then most likely still Soviet-made and in service with ukroletunov there ... or was there?
        1. 0
          19 February 2015 23: 05
          The article was read ali how?
  17. 0
    19 February 2015 15: 37
    The topic has already lost relevance. Minus
  18. +4
    19 February 2015 15: 38
    The article is a plus. Everything in order, according to the fad. If someone does not understand something, we are not to blame. We need to take retaliatory measures, at least to begin with this information getting into the Western media.
  19. 0
    19 February 2015 15: 56
    No matter how much you say "halva" tastes better in your mouth !!! This is what Eastern wisdom says! The Moor had already done his job and left. Nothing to add! Even if in July experts declare the Ukrainian Armed Forces to be the culprits, this will not change anything.
  20. +2
    19 February 2015 15: 58
    We are all the same advisers! And yet - if Vitaly Ivanovich began his every speech with questions:
    - What is there with the coup (for the cookie);
    - What's up with the Boeing,
    - What about the victims (indescribable) in the war;
    - What about the Nazis jumping in the middle of Europe; -
    and then, after waiting for silence - to continue our (our) line - it would be more meaningful (even more informative - we would say goodbye to some friends forever).
  21. +2
    19 February 2015 16: 08
    If Russia were to blame, it would have been revealed for a long time, convicted, nailed and paid back! And in this case, silence and symmetry! bully
  22. +2
    19 February 2015 16: 15
    Everything is clear to everyone, but everyone prefers to be silent,
    our authorities are waiting for the official results of the investigation,
    and in the case of inappropriate conclusions about the cause of the disaster
    and the perpetrators will be pulled out of such an ace. that the whole world will gasp.
    1. 0
      19 February 2015 19: 45
      Quote: mik667
      pull out such an ace. that the whole world is gasping.

      Because they are silent because they are afraid of ace. Ash stump time being pulled.
  23. +1
    19 February 2015 16: 47
    How much can you promote these scammers from RSI ?! A completely amateurish "analysis".
  24. +1
    19 February 2015 17: 02
    A strange situation, and we know who shot down the Boeing, and they know. And something else needs to be proved.
  25. 0
    19 February 2015 17: 09
    Quote: igor36
    Quote: ermak.sidorov
    Does the "bird" in the photograph look like the SU-25?

    Absolutely right. Su-27 in silhouette.

    The SU-25 has a direct trapezoidal wing (subsonic), and the image shows a Su-27 or MiG-29 supersonic fighter. hi
  26. REGULUS
    +1
    19 February 2015 17: 45
    "Who shot down the Malaysian Boeing?" Old chewing gum ... Who will be appointed and shot down, we will never know the truth ... request
  27. 0
    19 February 2015 18: 14
    Quote: Korvin1000
    The topic is already old ... Nothing to comment already

    You shouldn’t be so. Indeed, there is still no answer to the actions of the dispatch service to change the route both sideways and vertically. Driving into a trap by synchronizing the actions of aviation and air defense (Buka)? Someone, a very big boss, supervised the actions of the dispatcher, the entire anti-aircraft complex system and the crew of the aircraft, which was finishing the Boeing. I really hope that someday the answers to these questions will be made public, and those responsible for this crime will be punished.
  28. 0
    19 February 2015 19: 36
    Quote: dobrjak
    They forgot about Shoigu. He also took part!

    )))) the third was in drying)))) uk-ry will believe!
  29. ZAM
    0
    19 February 2015 19: 46
    Which Boeing? There was no Boeing. All 298 passengers landed safely - soon we will hear psak
  30. 0
    19 February 2015 23: 43
    Who was the ripper? Who killed Kennedt? Tired of near-scientific investigations.
  31. 0
    20 February 2015 08: 37
    Quote: Anatole
    In the summer, relatives from Cherkassy said that they showed on some sort of second-rate channels, and even they saw with surprise that this was a stupid production.


    In Kherson they also confirmed that they’re being doubled into them by Putin and they immediately sniffed that it was a double ...

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