Is there a future for Sevastopol without a fleet?

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Sevastopol without fleet. Was it possible to imagine such a situation 25 years ago. A person speaking in such a spirit would be looked askance, and even turned a finger at the temple. However, today there is a situation that could well lead to the withdrawal of the Russian Black Sea Fleet from the city of military sailors. Different people look at this situation differently. So what can a demilitarized Sevastopol expect, and why is the possibility of the departure of Russian sailors from the base in Crimea already real?

Issues related to the Black Sea Fleet, and more precisely to the relationship between Russia and Ukraine on this issue, have always been extremely acute. At one time, Viktor Yushchenko was so actively trying to tighten Ukraine into the North Atlantic Alliance, that he almost unilaterally wanted to decide on a ban on the deployment of Russian ships in Sevastopol. But the era of Yushchenko was left behind, and new Ukrainian politicians headed by Viktor Yanukovych came to power. A promising agreement was signed in the city of Kharkiv, which documented the right of Russians to operate a naval base in the Crimea. However, some Ukrainian officials are already trying to interpret the signed agreements in their favor. Many people appear, according to the logic of which the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation only hampers the development of Sevastopol. If, they say, the Russians had brought their ships from the bay, then a wave of economic growth would have led Sevastopol to a galaxy of successful business centers.

People who decide to express such thoughts are either poorly acquainted with economic laws or refuse to recognize them. Today, more than fifty thousand jobs in the city. And this is almost 34% of the total working population of the city. By simple mathematical calculations, it is possible to calculate how much damage Sevastopol can incur if Russian ships are withdrawn from there. Of course, if the Ukrainian authorities fill the vacuum with ships, so to speak, of other countries - it is clear what kind of ships we are talking about, then jobs can be saved. However, in Sevastopol, as they say, everything is sharpened just under the Russians. To re-equip the infrastructure under the NATO base, will have to invest a billion dollars in the development of the city. NATO sailors are much more fastidious than the Russian and Ukrainian, so they are unlikely to want to use what they can from the Russian Navy base. Some politicians see Sevastopol completely demilitarized. Such views can be called anti-utopian.

To expel the Russian fleet from Sevastopol today will be the same for Ukraine, as if Kazakhstani politicians would decide to rid Baikonur of the cosmodrome. Here, of course, the ecology will improve, and the noise, as they say, is less, but you need to understand that this threatens the present collapse of the municipal economy.

Of course, today the degree of participation of the fleet segments in the life of the city has sharply decreased compared with the Soviet period. A lot of clubs, rest houses for military men of the Black Sea Fleet are closed. However, this is a purely economic problem, which has nothing to do with the sailors themselves.

The total underfunding of the nineties led to the fact that some warships did not go beyond the bay for several years, but peacefully rusted. However, today the situation with the strengthening of the army and navy in Russia seems to be getting better. In this regard, Ukrainian politicians need to think about how to benefit from the stay of Russian sailors in the Crimea. Only short-sighted politicians can break all existing agreements in order to start looking for ways out of the economic deadlock for Sevastopol.

We are already witnessing the unscrupulous actions of Ukrainian politicians that led Russia to “bypass” Ukraine with the help of northern and southern gas flows. Mr. Yanukovych is trying to find some mutually beneficial conditions, but, having burned himself with milk, Russia is now blowing water. Gas "feeder" for the fraternal Ukraine is gradually becoming empty. And at this time, instead of constructive proposals for cooperation, there are again talks about revising the Kharkov agreements.

In the end, the Russian authorities can decide on a real withdrawal of the Black Sea Fleet from Sevastopol. But will this make it easier for both states? Neither from the economic point of view, nor from the point of view of security, this is logically explained. Is it possible that the personal interests of a handful of powerful people and financial magnates may again be the cause of a new break in relations between Ukraine and Russia.

In this regard, it can be noted that the entire world economy today is built on mutual integration. Destruction of relations built over centuries, burning bridges and other demarches have never led partners to prosperity. This means that, instead of engaging in another Russophobic issue, some Ukrainian politicians should be advised to look at the prospects. As these prospects, empty Sevastopol emerges, in which it is necessary to invest so much that the Ukrainian budget can not withstand such a financial shock.

Sevastopol without a fleet is perceived, if not a ghost town, then at least a somewhat orphaned and abandoned settlement, investment interests on the part of Russia to which will sharply decline.
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  1. +3
    20 September 2011 09: 08
    A holy place is never empty, if Ukrainian politicians completely collapse, then they will rent Sevastopol to the adversary, and the adversary will print green papers for this
    And while always discussing this topic, it is recalled that Crimea historically has no side to Ukraine, Khrushchev everywhere
    1. Bogatir
      -3
      21 September 2011 00: 49
      Quote: Vadivak
      Crimea to Ukraine historically no sideways,

      - Surely ... To Russia he is no side to the fifth degree
    2. Bogatir
      -8
      21 September 2011 00: 51
      Quote: Vadivak
      Crimea to Ukraine historically no sideways,

      - Surely ... To Russia he is no side to the fifth degree
      1. Vidgit
        +1
        20 October 2011 14: 39
        Crimea was recaptured from the Turks, then even such a word was not - Ukraine.
  2. Sergh
    +1
    20 September 2011 09: 33
    Khrushchev himself from Ukraine, before the Second World War he led his Ukrainians to death, during the war did not spare, but became the head of state, began distributing land from east to west. So, you still need to look at which contracts to review and where to stick the border post.
    But in general and in general, if you take a sober look, neither Ukraine, nor Georgia, etc., will enter the EU, this has already been decided, it can be seen without glasses. Earth under NATO, yes, will not hurt. In a foreign land, and you can shoot (Tajikistan) purely solitary, well, it's kind of normal, nothing for it will not. And in the end, some sort of Suriname will come out of Ukraine. Well, isn’t it? You can see how everything is easy and simple upside down now in the world ... Consider Ukrainian Ukrainians, but sit down and think, you can fuck them Pindos and everyone else!
    1. +1
      20 September 2011 13: 44
      Khrushchev is not a crest, Kalinovka village, Kursk region
      1. Bogatir
        -4
        21 September 2011 00: 54
        Quote: Vadivak
        Khrushchev is not a crest, Kalinovka village, Kursk region

        - The Kursk region is ethno-Ukrainian territories torn off from Ukraine.
      2. Bogatir
        -5
        21 September 2011 00: 56
        Quote: Vadivak
        Khrushchev is not a crest, Kalinovka village, Kursk region

        - The Kursk region is ethno-Ukrainian territories torn off from Ukraine.
        1. Vidgit
          +1
          20 October 2011 14: 31
          Kotobood Do you have a style like that, answer yourself? wink
  3. Splin
    +4
    20 September 2011 10: 09
    Shchos you Ukraine like a bone in the throat. Or imperial ambitions keep you awake. Come in the summer, let's say let's go to Odessa and not to Egypt. With Russian salaries you can afford it. You will be surprised that you can live here. And Porsche Cayenne no less than in Moscow.
    And if according to the article, then the author is right. Sevastopol drive away without a fleet. It will become an ordinary city like Alushta. Therefore, and not just because of gas prices, they signed the Kharkov Agreement. And in Ukraine, I’m not going to review it for 20 years plus by 2017. Sevastopol is not just a base or a city of glory for Russian sailors. Ships are the heart of his gear. The fleet will leave, all enterprises will become.
    1. +1
      20 September 2011 10: 16
      "Imperial ambitions" is a favorite phrase of the current "Ukrainian-style liberal democrats". As for the Porsches, it's ridiculous. There is enough of this EVERYWHERE and it doesn’t speak about the standard of living of ordinary citizens of the country. Rather, on the contrary - about social inequality, because what the economy of Ukraine is, everyone knows. In any case, me, because I live here.
      1. Splin
        -1
        20 September 2011 10: 28
        Work is necessary! Being a military man in the 90s, he could dream of a maximum of Zhiguli and an apartment in 10-15 years. You will find yourself and if you want Porsche buy
        1. 0
          20 September 2011 10: 47
          merci for advice, but enough for me :)
          1. Splin
            +1
            20 September 2011 10: 54
            And rightly so. But I'm not talking about a special case, but in general. I, too, are not on a Porsche urchin, and I don’t even dream about it, but I can support my family.
        2. +4
          20 September 2011 10: 53
          Quote: Splin
          Do you like Ukraine as a bone in the throat


          Yes, that's your lie! Not a bone in the throat.
          It's just a shame. On this side of the border, the Ukrainian people have virtually no enemies. And what for are we as enemies, if Yushchenko and Yanukovych are doing well with you? Just as you can throw "imperial ambitions" in our direction, so in your direction you can throw "dreams of independence under the wing of the EU." Both are not devoid of a certain meaning, but no more. And why? And you yourself answer this question:

          What is currently connecting Russia and Ukraine?
          (besides gas, he had already fumbled).
          1. ballian
            +7
            20 September 2011 11: 01
            Some kind of primitive attempt to inflate average hour from scratch - according to the agreement concluded in the 2010 year, the Russian fleet will be in Sevastopol at least until the 2042 year (many of you will not survive), then it will obviously be extended.
          2. Splin
            0
            20 September 2011 11: 07
            Independence is an uncertain factor. Yanyk to me personally. and in general Ukraine has done nothing wrong. But your truth is that 20 years have passed and nothing but memories. that is not left. It's a shame another. That we lived these years only as memories in Russia and Ukraine, and did not do anything for development. So in this forum topic, the return of Crimea was raised. And he has been territorially for 70 years in Ukraine, in different forms of its existence. It is necessary to unite, but somehow differently. Without the threat of military expansion.
            PS And who was Khrushchev in January 54th. Crimea was annexed to Ukraine neither on its whim but on economic feasibility.
            1. 0
              20 September 2011 11: 11
              and what can be economic feasibility? After all, not some movable property was taken and transferred to other people, but simply a line of demarcation was slightly altered. Moreover, within the framework of one state
              1. Splin
                0
                20 September 2011 11: 24
                Well this is not the right thought. Even any city is divided into districts. When the Crimea was transferred from the sphere of the Ukrainian SSR, the problem was removed from the RSFSR. After all, the Central Committee of the Communist Party of each of the republics did not have the opportunities that the government now has, let's say Russia. And the economy was not quite centralized, as is now commonly accepted. National wealth, and agriculture, was actually subordinate to the republic. Money from mechanical engineering and light industry also did not flow directly into Moscow .. Why did the Balts so rave in the 80s. After all, they gave three rubles and they returned the ruble. And besides, they did not live badly then.
                1. lokdok
                  +3
                  21 September 2011 13: 03
                  After all, they gave three rubles and they returned the ruble

                  The trouble is that they gave back the ruble, and they were returned 3 rubles, but the Pskov region gave the ruble, and she was returned 3 kopecks
    2. Tyumen
      +1
      20 September 2011 18: 03
      Do you like Ukraine as a bone in the throat

      Yes, not Ukraine, but your politicians, who also brought up an entire generation of Russophobes in 20 years. And as for ambition - who is it studying ancient ukrov from Venus, aren't you * scientists *?
      1. Splin
        -1
        20 September 2011 18: 19
        Do not listen to the bespectacled moron with ATV. After all, one must be a man and reason independently, and not use television cheat sheets for those still smelling of cynicism.
        1. Tyumen
          0
          20 September 2011 18: 33
          Are you telling me this ?! So, he left the army, rushed to trade, and today will you teach me life?
          1. Splin
            0
            20 September 2011 18: 44
            No one left her. She threw it herself. Now I go with a cable. And never traded. This is not mine. You can find yourself in another .. But nobody was going to teach life. It should have its own head on its shoulders. You just don’t have to criticize what you don’t know. I suppose I do not criticize the Czechs, although I have been there, but have not seen ordinary life. Worse than a tourist. - on a business trip. Look from the inside of the country you are talking about.
      2. Bogatir
        -3
        21 September 2011 01: 02
        Quote: Tyumen 35
        Yes, not Ukraine, but your politicians, who also brought up an entire generation of Russophobes in 20 years.

        Well no.
        - A generation without other people's myths and the history of another's lies. This is another statement of many centuries.
    3. His
      0
      20 September 2011 18: 05
      Cayenne talk a lot. And do not pay for gas. Freeloaders however
      1. Splin
        -1
        20 September 2011 18: 16
        This is not a whim of a freebie, but a matter of justice .. It’s because, along with gas, politics goes through the pipe. You need to work for yourself, but do not be greedy. A farmer who has a head in Ukraine from three hectares per season can earn up to half a million rubles at the rate. But he is trying to sell at the maximum price. and sometimes gets even less. And gas is paid in full.
  4. +3
    20 September 2011 12: 07
    the departure of Russia from Sevastopol - "the pride of Russian sailors" will be a national shame for Russia! They built, the rivers shed blood in the defenses, and now because of the bald maize and the "eyebrow" who was too lazy in the 1977 Constitution to point out the Russian ownership of Sevastopol, to give it to the ungrateful benderalogs ???
    1. ballian
      +4
      20 September 2011 12: 39
      By the way, the sailor Cat shed there blood of a Ukrainian from the Vinnitsa region - while in the USSR everyone served and fought without dividing into Russians and Ukrainians.
  5. merkawa
    +1
    20 September 2011 16: 06
    They all share something, and mostly somewhere at the top, take it easy for ordinary people for the sins of leaders, put historical mines on them, and stumble upon them. As the grandfather said back in the USSR, there were a lot of rich, rich people, fools (this is about leaders )
  6. Graaf
    +4
    20 September 2011 16: 08
    ... The gas "feeder" for fraternal Ukraine is gradually emptying. ?!?!
    - why, when it comes to articles, articles, TV speeches, essays, etc. about Ukraine, about gas, all sorts of different interpreters immediately begin to write under the dictation of their "bosses in uniform" - a feeder, our gas was stolen, parasites, parasites ... . but does not it smell like one, delirium.
    As I know (and not only me, but all the inhabitants of Ukraine) - we pay for gas on time and in full, your president last year said that Ukraine didn’t steal gas (unlike your prime minister, who slammed into his cells and said that we steal gas). And they didn’t try to apologize to the fraternal people (as your duumvirate likes to introduce him)? And to admit to a lie that there wasn’t what wasn’t. They know little, and they (the pans) do not want this. Give them the Kemsku parish (Ukraine) ... so here it’s not politics, but pure business - you need to squeeze the Donetsk, put your own and ... row the loot with a bigger shovel. And as for the people-they do not care ... deeply at him (in Ukraine, in Russia).
    1. Tyumen
      0
      20 September 2011 19: 04
      (in Ukraine, in Russia).
      Are you kidding me? :)
      1. Splin
        -1
        20 September 2011 19: 20
        In general, he is right. Ukraine is a state, and not just a territory And therefore it is correct to say "In Ukraine" Putin, being President, said so. Medvedev, always distinguished by his disdain for neighbors, returned the prefix "on", Even recently corrected some kind of scientist-woman at a meeting. You just don't have to make a tragedy out of it.
        1. Tyumen
          +1
          20 September 2011 20: 01
          As I die, bury IN ukraine sweet ...
          1. Splin
            0
            20 September 2011 20: 10
            In the days of Shevchenko, Ukraine was the territory of the Russian Empire.
            1. Tyumen
              +1
              20 September 2011 20: 31
              She stayed with her, for a short while you still stand alone.
              1. Splin
                0
                20 September 2011 20: 38
                You also want to unite peacefully!
                1. Tyumen
                  +4
                  20 September 2011 21: 21
                  I want peace, do not think too much. One nation and history can be preserved only by uniting. It’s just that imperial ways prevent you from doing this, you are proud, you certainly need to be a Great Ukraine alone, and not as part of the Empire. Although, you don’t know how to live alone, because without Russia Ukraine never existed.
                  1. Splin
                    -2
                    20 September 2011 21: 48
                    We will not interfere in the story, as you know, it has no imperative mood. I, like probably most Ukrainians, would also like for a closer friendship with Russia, but not what it is, now merchant. And looks at the neighbors high. Yes, Tajiks live poorly at home. Yes, he has 4 classes of education, but in Russian he cannot connect 2 words. So what to treat him like a dog? Really the example of Hitler about our inferiority, taught nothing. But the Kremlin’s Russian policy is now aimed at moral humiliation of its neighbors. And the biggest nationalist is Medvedev. It was with his easy submission on television that they began to hate all Georgians, Ukrainians, even the company was against Belarus. Change power in the Kremlin, then please.
                    1. Tyumen
                      +3
                      20 September 2011 22: 16
                      You are mistaken, neither the Ukrainians nor the Belarusians, the vast majority of Russians do not feel any hatred. How can you hate yourself, though across the border? I think the same in Ukraine.
                      1. Splin
                        0
                        20 September 2011 22: 22
                        Read the statistics. Very clearly seen in numbers .. In the kitchen after a bottle, maybe they like in conversation. but in practice it is really visible. I have been to Russia and I can say that.
                      2. Tyumen
                        +2
                        20 September 2011 22: 35
                        I believe not in statistics, but in many familiar Ukrainians, including my son-in-law. If I am mistaken, my opinion about Ukraine will not change.
                      3. Splin
                        -2
                        20 September 2011 22: 41
                        I am glad that you belong to the part who is for. But you can’t deceive statistics. Believe the professional working with sociologists. You can juggle part of it. You can give the desired numbers on the air. Most people can be fooled by these facts. But you can’t hide the real numbers. Unless of course the numbers are given by several agencies. And in the global world this is just what happens.
                      4. Bogatir
                        +1
                        21 September 2011 01: 14
                        Yes, he goes wild - he has all Tyumen built by Ukrainians and is still under construction. )))
                      5. Bogatir
                        +1
                        21 September 2011 01: 15
                        Yes, he goes wild - he has all Tyumen built by Ukrainians and is still under construction. )))
                      6. Bogatir
                        -1
                        21 September 2011 01: 16
                        Yes, he goes wild - he has all Tyumen built by Ukrainians and is still under construction. )))
                      7. Tyumen
                        0
                        21 September 2011 18: 20
                        Do not confuse with the north, we have enough of ours, and there are nowhere to put Asians.
                      8. Tyumen
                        0
                        21 September 2011 18: 29
                        Do not confuse with the north, we have enough of ours, and there are nowhere to put Asians.
                      9. Tyumen
                        0
                        21 September 2011 18: 29
                        Do not confuse with the north, we have enough of ours, and there are nowhere to put Asians.
                      10. Tyumen
                        0
                        21 September 2011 18: 30
                        Do not confuse with the north, we have enough of ours, and there are nowhere to put Asians.
                      11. Tyumen
                        0
                        21 September 2011 18: 30
                        Do not confuse with the north, we have enough of ours, and there are nowhere to put Asians.
                      12. Tyumen
                        0
                        21 September 2011 18: 31
                        Do not confuse with the north, we have enough of ours, and there are nowhere to put Asians.
                      13. Tyumen
                        0
                        21 September 2011 18: 31
                        Do not confuse with the north, we have enough of ours, and there are nowhere to put Asians.
                      14. Tyumen
                        -1
                        21 September 2011 18: 31
                        Do not confuse with the north, we have enough of ours, and there are nowhere to put Asians.
                    2. oper66
                      +3
                      21 September 2011 01: 23
                      well no dear !!! we have become so easy to treat ??? Georgians killed our soldiers, Ukraine supplied weapons and supported morally, volunteers went to fight with Russia, in Georgia or in Chechnya !!! so that there is enough betrayal on the part of your rulers and representatives of the people in relation to the Russians and Russia, and now to talk about some unfair attitude towards you your rulers are conducting an anti-Russian-anti-Russian policy, you support them, so what should be their attitude to whom? we supported your enemies in word and deed, and you are our Ukrainians and behaved really "like brothers"
                    3. oper66
                      +3
                      21 September 2011 01: 28
                      Well, no, dear !!! we became so easy to relate ??? Georgians killed our soldiers, Ukraine supplied weapons and moral support, volunteers went to fight with Russia, in Georgia and in Chechnya !!! so there is enough betrayal on the part of your rulers and representatives of the people towards Russians and Russia, and now your rulers are talking about some kind of unfair attitude towards you, you are supporting anti-Russian-anti-Russian policies, since there should be a different attitude towards whom? we supported your enemies in word and deed and you are Ukrainians
                    4. oper66
                      +3
                      21 September 2011 01: 29
                      Well, no, dear !!! we became so easy to relate ??? Georgians killed our soldiers, Ukraine supplied weapons and moral support, volunteers went to fight with Russia, in Georgia and in Chechnya !!! so there is enough betrayal on the part of your rulers and representatives of the people towards Russians and Russia, and now your rulers are talking about some kind of unfair attitude towards you, you are supporting anti-Russian-anti-Russian policies, since there should be a different attitude towards whom? we supported your enemies in word and deed and you are Ukrainians
                    5. 0
                      30 September 2011 06: 21
                      about poor Tajiks, God forbid anyone to get there, they would quickly figure out how to treat cats or how to treat dogs
                      it’s here they’ve been quiet and sometimes not always
              2. Bogatir
                -2
                21 September 2011 01: 18
                Quote: Tyumen 35
                She stayed with her, for a short while you still stand alone.

                - We’ll become, brother, in the B_Y Krivaviy, v_d Xian to Don,
                In the region of the region of Panuvati, there’s no lady,
                Chorney Sea shch vmmihnetsya, dіd-Dnіpro zradіє,
                Shche th in our Ukraine - dolenka naspіє.
          2. Bogatir
            -2
            21 September 2011 01: 06
            Quote: Tyumen 35
            As I die, bury IN ukraine sweet ...

            - Tse on yakіy movі?
            1. Tyumen
              0
              21 September 2011 18: 38
              This is the Russian language in which your great Shevchenko Taras wrote. He probably also understood that it’s impossible to write seriously on your kryachkovdziobe. Took, distorted Russian, and be proud.
  7. Shqvarqi
    0
    20 September 2011 18: 05
    That is why it is necessary to raise the economy. Economic interests are better than the military.
    My uncle told me (he lives in the Zaporizhzhya region - a farmer) how last year he had such a crop of cucumbers, but he had to give them almost for nothing. He cannot take them to Europe, they are not needed for nothing, and they did not let them into Russia. Own Ukrainian customs. Yes, and Onishchenko probably would have demanded help. The price is ridiculous, if translated into rubles, somewhere at 30 kopecks per kg. And at this time, because of the heat and fires, cucumbers, we had a cat crying. The aunt who lives in Volgograd to tighten the banks got up at 3 in the morning and went to the market to buy them, because by 7 a.m. nothing was left.
    1. Bogatir
      0
      21 September 2011 01: 09
      Quote: ShqVarqi
      And at this time, because of the heat and fires, cucumbers, we had a cat crying.

      “But you have a lot of peas.”
  8. zczczc
    0
    21 September 2011 01: 21
    Sevastopol can remain demilitarized only in one case - if our fleet of the Russian Federation leaves there, and our fleet of Ukraine does not come. And this can only be under pressure from NATO. No sensible Ukrainian politician willfully destroy the base there, otherwise Crimea will immediately be Turkish.
  9. Georg Shep
    +1
    29 February 2012 23: 11
    Sevastopol is in the heart of every Russian person. It is inseparable from Russia and its history. Whatever processes take place both in Ukraine and in Russia, Sevastopol will remain Sevastopol - a city of Russian glory and Russian valor.
  10. Sergey1512
    +1
    2 March 2012 15: 14
    Until Russia becomes a truly strong country, no Ukraine, Belarus, or any other former Soviet republic will join it.
  11. Stasi.
    0
    8 March 2012 12: 40
    Ukrainian politicians and everyone who cares for the withdrawal of the Russian fleet from Sevastopol can not understand one thing: the day when the last Russian ship leaves Crimea will be the last day in the Crimea Ukraine. The next day, the Turks will begin a military operation to capture the Crimea under some convenient excuse, it’s not difficult to come up with it. The Ukrainian fleet will not be able to do anything against Turkish power and the Crimea will withdraw to Turkey. And after all, the massacre of the Slavic population in Crimea will begin.

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