British General: Saxon armored cars delivered to Ukraine are life threatening for Ukrainian Armed Forces fighters

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The former chief of the British Armed Forces, Richard Dannat, believes that the Saxon semi-armored vehicles transferred to Ukraine are useless for military operations and even dangerous for those. who will be in them. This newspaper reports Look with reference to the "Telegraph".

British General: Saxon armored cars delivered to Ukraine are life threatening for Ukrainian Armed Forces fighters


“I took them out of service in the UK army in 2005 – 2006 as completely inappropriate for current operations, so I find it incredible that they are sold or presented to unfortunate Ukrainians,” the general said.

“These are completely useless semi-armored trucks that cannot be used on the front lines,” he said. - There is nothing more immoral than presenting the transfer of these vehicles as "good news"for Ukrainians".

“Britain delivered these cars to Ukraine, showing a“ wide gesture ”of support. Thus, the Ukrainian military using these vehicles will be in constant danger, ”said Dannat.

Dmitry Rogozin commented on the situation on Facebook as follows: “The APU was supplemented with British armored vehicles from the Museum of the First World War. From the horn of the gramophone installed on them it is very convenient to shout: “Glory to Ukraine!” ”.

On Friday, the secretary of the National Security Council of Ukraine, Turchinov, stated that "20 armored Saxon armored vehicles of Great Britain were put into service with the special operations, more 55 of such cars are expected in the near future."

One of the British military, previously exploited the armored vehicle, wrote on “forums.spacebattles.com”: “The Saxon armored personnel carrier looks like shit and is like that. The best thing about him can be said: it is better to ride in it than to go on foot, and it protects from rain. "Saxon" is famous for rolling down from the hillsides in Bosnia with fatal outcome for passengers. The Serbs seized several pieces, and our opinion on this matter was "it would be better if they took the rest." Protection is bad, terrible permeability, besides a high center of gravity. "



However, Petro Poroshenko does not agree with the critics of the car. After a test shelling of one of the incoming vehicles at the site in New Petrovtsy, he said: “I want to say to the critics of this contract that the level of armored protection they have is higher than that of the BTR (I mean, of the Soviet type)”.

As the adviser to the Ukrainian president, Yuri Biryukov, stated, “the onboard armor of the Saxon machine demonstrated withstood the B-32 bullet cartridge cartridge 7,62x54 mm from the SVD rifle from the distance 20 m (the bullet went deeper into the armor on 10 mm)”. "The shelling of 7,62x54 caliber cartridges with LPS rifle LPS bullets and modern 7H10 cartridges of the 5,45x39 caliber mm from the AK-74 submachine gun left only shallow marks," the adviser quotes the blog. bmpd.

“The result of a test firing of onboard armor of an AT-105 Saxon armored personnel carrier with 7,62x54 mm cartridges with LPS rifle bullets from a SVD rifle and 7X10 mm ammunition from an AK-5,45 assault rifle. New Petrovtsy 39 g. "

"The result of a test fire with a mm 7,62x54 cartridge with an armor-piercing bullet B-32 from a SVD rifle from a distance of 20 m"

“The result of a test fire with mm 7,62x54 cartridges with LPS rifle LPS bullets from a distance of 20 m”

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  1. +69
    16 February 2015 10: 15
    The Saxon armored personnel carrier looks like it is. The best thing you can say about it is that it is better to ride than walking, and it protects from the rain. The Saxon is famous for rolling down hillsides in Bosnia, killing passengers. The Serbs captured several of them, and our opinion on this matter was "it would be better if they took the rest." The defense is poor, the permeability is terrible, besides, the center of gravity is high "

    Thanks for the morning positive !!!!
    1. +12
      16 February 2015 10: 17
      Why would dill send a new weapon if there is an old junk that is useless to anyone? Maybe it won’t be sold somewhere, but to someone else.
      1. +16
        16 February 2015 10: 26
        Judging by the dump in front and the bars on the windows, he was used against street riots. Useless trash for warfare
        1. +11
          16 February 2015 10: 30
          Quote: a52333
          Judging by the dump in front and the bars on the windows, he was used against street riots. Useless trash for warfare


          In Northern Ireland, it was the place for him, protesters with stones to drive through the streets.
          1. The comment was deleted.
          2. +10
            16 February 2015 10: 56
            In Northern Ireland, it was the place for him, protesters with stones to drive through the streets.

            ... it is ... come in handy for subsequent Maidan and other coups, apparently it’s going to ... a junta would be better to leave them in Kiev
            ... but judging by the thickness of the primer ... this is not the first time they participate in the "Maidans"
            1. 0
              17 February 2015 04: 08
              "on you, God, what is useless for us."
          3. leobos
            +4
            16 February 2015 10: 58
            There are residents of Odessa in Britain, a continuation of the "frightened" theme ...
        2. +7
          16 February 2015 10: 50
          Armored vehicle "SAXON" (SAXON)
          The Saxon armored vehicle began to enter the British forces from the end of the 1983 year. During this time, the car was modified several times and released several of its variations.
          The main role of the Saxon is the quick delivery of groups of soldiers or mortar crews to a specific point on the battlefield, as well as for the evacuation of the wounded. Due to the fact that the Saxon is made on a wheeled platform, it has very good maneuverability and speed. It can be called as a “combat taxi”. The design of the machine allows it to overcome water obstacles up to 90cm deep.
          The Saxons have successfully established themselves in Northern Ireland. Street patrolling was carried out on them. Also, these machines participated in all conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.
          Since 2008, the UK Department of Defense has abandoned the use of these machines, as they were replaced by newer models of light armored vehicles.

          Variations of the Saxon:
          AT105A - Medical option
          AT105E - Tower at the top of the machine with 1 or 2 machine guns
          AT105MR - mounted 81mm mortar
          AT105C - Commanding Machine
          ARV - Engineering version of the machine
          Technical characteristics of the armored vehicle "Saxon":
          Crew: 2 person
          Armament: 1-2 GPMG (7.62mm machine gun)
          Weight: 10.6 tons
          Lenght: 5.17m
          Width: 2.49m
          Height: 2.63m
          Engine: 6-cylinder diesel Bedford 500 power 164l / s. For internal security forces, a machine version with a Cummins BT 5.1 engine was used.
          Capacity: 10 people
          Chassis: wheeled 4x4
          Fuel Capacity: 510km
          Maximum speed: 96km / h

        3. +10
          16 February 2015 11: 01
          Well, somewhere in Africa to drive the Zulus, just for that)))))
        4. +4
          16 February 2015 11: 08
          I agree. The same opinions. Dump - raking street barricades, not otherwise.
          1. +7
            16 February 2015 11: 53
            You shouldn’t be so. By type of contours, obviously, steel technology is involved.
            1. +2
              16 February 2015 12: 53
              I agree, a rare right-handed ye ,,, with the use of these technologies
            2. 0
              16 February 2015 13: 22
              Quote: kare
              You shouldn’t be so. By type of contours, obviously, steel technology is involved.

              Cool. Only two questions:
              1. Haha goat button accordion, or why armored personnel carrier stelstehnologii?
              2. Where did these technologies come from if these monsters were adopted in 1983, and were developed even earlier?

              Personally, I see a great resemblance to the armored cars of the times of our civil war. Lenin spoke from a similar view. So everything is clear there - they took a truck, sheathed with iron sheets, but they stuck a machine gun on top. The campaign with this APC is also the same story - they took a police bead, sheathed, as it turned out, armored plates and called an armored vehicle.
      2. calocha
        +8
        16 February 2015 10: 26
        Listen to the rabbit who claims that Russia should restore the Donbass for its money ..
        1. +10
          16 February 2015 10: 49
          unfortunately I can’t understand without translation
          1. +13
            16 February 2015 11: 06
            Quote: Valevampo
            unfortunately I can’t understand without translation


            And what is there to understand, give him the volost of Kemsk! laughing
        2. +3
          16 February 2015 11: 41
          Bullshit!
        3. +1
          16 February 2015 12: 33
          this stupid person at first gross the scrotum of GDP
          1. 0
            16 February 2015 15: 15
            Quote: fairmen
            this stupid person at first gross the scrotum of GDP

            well, if the "black master" permits, and the GDP permits - with great enthusiasm laughing
      3. +10
        16 February 2015 10: 29
        Quote: Moment
        Why dill send new weapons if there is an old, useless junk

        God is on you that we are not worth
        1. +4
          16 February 2015 10: 54
          A bit wrong. Take wretchedly, what is not good for us.
      4. +53
        16 February 2015 10: 41
        withstood hit of an armor-piercing bullet B-32 of a cartridge of caliber 7,62x54 mm from an SVD rifle from a distance of 20 m

        Saxon armor 16ml. So DShK and the cliff will overpower him! what

        Meanwhile!
        1. +5
          16 February 2015 11: 26
          Moreover, in the fields of Donbass, Cliffs, DShK are such a rarity :) Not to mention such "little things" as ZUshki, these cardboard boxes generally look funny. Apparently the British represent the war in Donbass as street demonstrations with sticks and stones ... they would have come with cannons. Although ... this is good for the DPR / LPR, false confidence in security and technical superiority leads to losses for the enemy, which is good news.
          1. +3
            16 February 2015 12: 16
            Quote: ostrom
            Although ... for the DNI / LC it is good, a false confidence in safety and technical superiority leads to losses from the enemy, which cannot but rejoice.

            good
            From the "mekashka" planted !!!!! fellow
        2. 0
          16 February 2015 13: 41
          As far as they explained to me in the army, the SVD bullet is gaining maximum speed at a distance of 200 or 300 meters (I don’t remember exactly, I wasn’t the sniper myself). I don’t know if it’s true or not, but I’ve heard it repeatedly.
      5. sergi-i
        +7
        16 February 2015 10: 46
        It’s like in the case of deliveries to Ukraine of expired medical aid: it would be more expensive to dispose, but here it looks like a wide gesture :)
      6. +10
        16 February 2015 10: 46
        Why dill send a new weapon, if there is an old, useless junk?

        Saxon AT105 4x4 is designed for making passes in barriers, lifting and moving loads, removing rubble and other operations necessary to ensure the actions of the Internal Troops in urban conditions during special operations to curb riots
        They are preparing for the new Maidan. What is not clear here?
      7. +11
        16 February 2015 10: 47
        Quote: Moment
        Why dill send a new weapon, if there is an old, useless junk.

        Junk junk. But what a hook (in the photo) the test! In my grandfather’s village, the same in the barn.
      8. +2
        16 February 2015 10: 51
        Here thank you, I laughed heartily !!!
        It is immediately clear for whom the British are "fighting" .... these "smart" people who bought this stuff are really real dill !!! Neither mind nor imagination !!!
      9. +2
        16 February 2015 12: 12
        That's right. This beast-armed monster is suitable only to drive through villages on a village road.
      10. +1
        16 February 2015 13: 43
        Amused by the photo-hooks on the doors! So the spare part is already in any village outhouse you can get! laughing
      11. +1
        16 February 2015 16: 18
        Quote: Moment
        Why would dill send a new weapon if there is an old junk that is useless to anyone? Maybe it won’t be sold somewhere, but to someone else.

        And for the disposal of this rubbish in the West you have to pay decent money, and here the Ukrainians also buy. But the fact that there was shelling from the SVD, I honestly am surprised that there is no inscription nearby: Shelled from RPG laughing
    2. +4
      16 February 2015 10: 20
      The best thing that can be said about him: to ride in it is better than to walk, and it protects from rain.


      So APU is doing very bad things. Even there’s nothing to escape from militias.
    3. +7
      16 February 2015 10: 21
      And all this stuff is also leased! Lords will weld again!
      1. -61
        16 February 2015 10: 34
        “I want to say to the critics of this contract that their level of armored protection is higher than that of the armored personnel carrier (meaning the Soviet model).”

        According to the adviser to the Ukrainian president, Yuri Biryukov, “side armor demonstrated machine "Saxon" stood it the penetration of an armor-piercing bullet B-32 of a cartridge of caliber 7,62x54 mm from an SVD rifle from a distance of 20 m

        which is true, then true
        the security of Soviet armored personnel carriers is such that the sides break through with small arms

        It would be nice for Ukraine to transfer heavy armored personnel carriers FV432 "Bulldog" -


        Or British BMP FV510 "Warrior" -


        Ukraine must be given modern weapons. Violence is held back by parity, the realization that the answer will be. Robbers are less likely to climb into a house with weapons. Colt - the great equalizer - provides the relative safety of the small and the weak - the big and the strong will think twice whether to hurt him? If Ukrainians get modern weapons, the likelihood of offensive operations to create a land corridor to the Crimea or the liberation of Kiev is reduced. And the war in Novorosia itself will end
        1. +6
          16 February 2015 10: 53
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          Ukraine must be given modern weapons. Violence is held back by parity, the realization that the answer will be.


          What are you man?
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          If Ukrainians get modern weapons, the likelihood of offensive operations to create a land corridor to the Crimea or the liberation of Kiev is reduced.

          Do you want something different from the total mass of comments?
        2. +5
          16 February 2015 11: 33
          You have to pay for all this. Or did you want for free? We got used to getting everything for free forever. And by the way, "cannons cannot fight with ideas," Catherine the Great said. Learn materiel. Nothing will come of the Nazis, well, that's nothing.
        3. +2
          16 February 2015 11: 44
          Thirty pieces of silver do not burn a pocket?
        4. +2
          16 February 2015 11: 49
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          It would be nice for Ukraine to transfer heavy armored personnel carriers FV432 "Bulldog" -

          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          Or British BMP FV510 "Warrior"

          However, these waffles are not equipped with a coffin, in contrast to the article.
          (photo in article # 2 "interior decoration")
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          which is true, the true protection of Soviet armored personnel carriers is such that the sides break through with small arms

          What do you mean by small arms?
          Slings and slingshots are read as such or ...?
          Quote: RUSS
          Do you want something different from the total mass of comments?

          Very, very willing and different wink
        5. +6
          16 February 2015 11: 51
          Dear (hopefully) SWEET_SIXTEEN. If the equipment proposed by you comes to the arsenal of the ukrovermaht forces, then I’m sure that the militia will accidentally find weapons that they will with great pleasure try on this technique. To confirm, so to speak, the claimed characteristics. Nor advertising for potential buyers of weapons.))
        6. +4
          16 February 2015 12: 03
          and here are the antidotes against your "wunderwaffel"
        7. +6
          16 February 2015 12: 15
          Colt - the great equalizer - provides the relative safety of the small and the weak - the big and the strong will think twice whether to hurt him?
          something reminds, somewhere already was ...
          “Colt, the great equalizer, provides the relative safety of the small and the weak - the big and the strong will think twice whether to hurt him,” Gozman says.
          "The dead light of the" lampshade ". How" peacekeepers "call for war" from 14.02.15.
          Gozman? Gozman! The site is confused. You, citizen, need a censor ...
        8. +1
          16 February 2015 12: 16
          If a monkey is given a machine gun, its protection will also increase, the only question is where it will shoot. If the Ukrainians receive modern weapons, then the opportunity will reappear to fill their pockets, the likelihood of increasing the combat capability of the armed forces will increase, as will the success of offensive operations to create a land corridor to Crimea or liberate Kiev, which will not be sold or lost. And in the end, a fluffy animal will come ukrohunte. Is it not clear that in Novorosiya people are opposing the junta for their land and their families, and the ukrovoyaks do not know why they are dying. Moreover, to believe all sorts of advisers're coming out is simply ridiculous "they are children" !!!!!!
        9. Volvo220381
          +2
          16 February 2015 12: 33
          The supply of weapons to the Nazis in Ukraine will force us to supply appropriate weapons to the militias in order to equalize the possibilities of the struggle of the Russian people against Nazi dishonesty, what will happen next? ..... FIGHT, BLOOD, Tears of children and women.
          And then there will be the introduction of the Russian Army despite the cries of vassal Europe and their masters from across the ocean, in a few weeks all war criminals (who do not have time to escape to the West) will be deported to Ukraine, the rest will be eliminated on the spot, as we are dealing with terrorists in the Caucasus.
          Further, reassurance and a referendum, people living in the post-Ukrainian space should decide for themselves how, with whom and what they should live on, holding a national tribunal at war criminals giving orders and executing deliberately criminal orders ..... This is how, in my opinion, this can be ended the war.
        10. Volvo220381
          0
          16 February 2015 12: 33
          The supply of weapons to the Nazis in Ukraine will force us to supply appropriate weapons to the militias in order to equalize the possibilities of the struggle of the Russian people against Nazi dishonesty, what will happen next? ..... FIGHT, BLOOD, Tears of children and women.
          And then there will be the introduction of the Russian Army despite the cries of vassal Europe and their masters from across the ocean, in a few weeks all war criminals (who do not have time to escape to the West) will be deported to Ukraine, the rest will be eliminated on the spot, as we are dealing with terrorists in the Caucasus.
          Further, reassurance and a referendum, people living in the post-Ukrainian space should decide for themselves how, with whom and what they should live on, holding a national tribunal at war criminals giving orders and executing deliberately criminal orders ..... This is how, in my opinion, this can be ended the war.
        11. +1
          16 February 2015 12: 45
          SWEET_SIXTEEN
          no one is surprised that they tested for bullet resistance after procurement, not before?
          "If the Ukrainians receive modern weapons, the likelihood of offensive operations to create a land corridor to Crimea or release Kiev is decreasing. "
          To exemption from anyone ??? !!! Do you really want to change the power in Kiev according to Freud, and with our hands !!! ????
        12. +1
          16 February 2015 12: 53
          Too shy to ask, but you are not a client of Kashchenko? Very reminiscent of the guests there.
        13. +1
          16 February 2015 13: 00
          It seems that you are raving
        14. 0
          16 February 2015 13: 55
          Sweet You are ours, 60th, and you were not accidentally "hacked"?
        15. 0
          16 February 2015 23: 25
          "If the Ukrainians receive modern weapons, the likelihood of offensive operations to create a land corridor to Crimea or liberate Kiev is reduced. And the war in Novorosiya will end by itself."

          Minus. A provocateur and a fool. As soon as the first samples of the Armed Forces of Ukraine appear, the militia will immediately and much faster receive much more and more modern from Russia. These cardboard boxes will be quickly burned, and the war will move to a new level and will run the risk of spreading outside the Donbass and beyond Ukraine. This is called escalation. I am sure that in Europe they understand this, and therefore do not want to arm the APU.
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    4. +7
      16 February 2015 10: 23
      What a freak! Militiamen flip these museum exhibits, like quail.
      1. +7
        16 February 2015 10: 28
        Quote: Giant thought
        What a freak! ....

        Hush! Now Kars will wake up and on this occasion instructs ... lol
      2. +4
        16 February 2015 10: 29
        What kind of miracle is this laughing Well, the armored vehicle is just for Svidomo. Here they have the same ugly idea of ​​the world, the economy, politics, and so on. laughing
        1. +4
          16 February 2015 10: 46
          The Naglo-Saxons got rid of unnecessary trash at once (you won't have to spend money on disposal) and showed the whole world how "generous" they are.
          It will be interesting to see what will happen to passengers if you rummage from an RPG on this iron coffin on wheels.
          lol
          1. +2
            16 February 2015 11: 28
            Quote: sergeybulkin
            It will be interesting to see what will happen to passengers if you rummage from an RPG on this iron coffin on wheels.

            Better not to watch. Extremely unpleasant sight.
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    6. calocha
      +3
      16 February 2015 10: 39
      Poroshenko evacuates his family from Kiev .. Yes and other bonzes urgently pack their bags !!! Can you help yourself? !!!! wassat
      As far as the message really can not say, a lot of stuffing ..
    7. +1
      16 February 2015 10: 47
      I don’t understand how it differs from the crafts of the defense industry? Only a nameplate in English.
    8. 0
      16 February 2015 18: 01
      Looking at the photo you begin to understand that in Ukraine there are cartridges of go.no.
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    1. +3
      16 February 2015 10: 19
      And all this stuff is also leased!
  3. +4
    16 February 2015 10: 16
    Here comes the cyborg coffin! Sala to Ukraine !!! wassat
    1. calocha
      +6
      16 February 2015 10: 20
      Armistice music ...
    2. +11
      16 February 2015 10: 26
      Dmitry Rogozin commented on the situation on Facebook as follows: “The APU was supplemented with British armored vehicles from the Museum of the First World War. From the horn of the gramophone installed on them it is very convenient to shout: “Glory to Ukraine!” ”.

      it's five!!!! laughing
      1. +4
        16 February 2015 10: 30
        Rogozin - this is another Troll))))
    3. +2
      16 February 2015 10: 33
      In connection with the frequent distortions of the offensive nature of the name of our country, I propose to name the former state of Ukraine by the following names.

      Ukraine - stole from the root (stole, robbed, etc.).
      Ukrolina is a country where Rabbit is in power.
      Ussalina is a country where only punitive policemen fight heroically.
      Zassalina is the western part of Ussalina.

      Wicked joke of humor.
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  4. +4
    16 February 2015 10: 16
    They would have shot from a slingshot.
    1. calocha
      +9
      16 February 2015 10: 33
      No! These will not calm down! Only a bullet will calm them!
  5. +3
    16 February 2015 10: 17
    all right! Iron dumplings Militias do)
  6. calocha
    +10
    16 February 2015 10: 18
    The Ukrainian security forces are trying by all means to take control of the village of Logvinovo, which is located near Debaltseve. This is due not only to the fact that this is a key locality located on the Debaltsevo - Artemovsk highway, but also to the fact that a fairly large unit of the NATO armed forces or Western mercenaries trying to get out of the boiler is probably blocked near Logvinovo. Over the past two days, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have carried out violent attacks on the militia in order to release this unit.

    According to the radio intercepts received by the intelligence of the Armed Forces of Novorossiya, mainly English and Polish are heard. The same thing was confirmed a few days earlier in the Ministry of Defense of the DPR. Eduard Basurin said that according to reports, foreign military arrived from France, Poland and, apparently, from the UK or the United States. He also said that the Ukrainian security forces are now liquidating all evidence that foreign troops are fighting on the side of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, as well as the fact that the Armed Forces are actively using American weapons.

    “I am not a bloodthirsty man,” said Eduard Basurin. “But with what kind of fright should we let them go?” We will give them a chance to stay alive. But everyone needs to understand well that this is the enemy that has appeared on our land.

    Indirectly, the facts of the presence of NATO troops were confirmed by the Congressman and former presidential candidate Ron Paul. Yesterday he spoke to students at a conference in Washington, and stressed that the best that the Americans can do for a country like Ukraine is to stop interfering in its internal affairs. “One thing I can say for sure is that NATO and the EU were part of the coup in Ukraine. This is an irrefutable fact. My position is that it is necessary to immediately remove the United States of America and NATO from there (from Ukraine).”

    According to experts, if today until 24.00 it will not be possible to take Logvinovo and release the NATO forces, then tomorrow, despite the truce, the fighting on the part of the Armed Forces will not stop.
    1. +3
      16 February 2015 11: 09
      Quote: calocha
      Indirectly, the facts of the presence of NATO troops were confirmed by the Congressman and former presidential candidate Ron Paul. Yesterday he spoke to students at a conference in Washington, and stressed that the best that the Americans can do for a country like Ukraine is to stop interfering in its internal affairs. “One thing I can say for sure is that NATO and the EU were part of the coup in Ukraine. This is an irrefutable fact. My position is that it is necessary to immediately remove the United States of America and NATO from there (from Ukraine).”

      After all, there are sensible and honest politicians in the USA! And he is also a former presidential candidate! I wonder if he will run in 2016?
      1. +1
        16 February 2015 12: 01
        honesty is a luxury that a politician cannot always afford.
      2. +1
        16 February 2015 12: 12
        Quote: Karasik
        Karasik (1) SU Today, 11: 09 ↑

        Quote: calocha
        Indirectly, the facts of the presence of NATO troops were confirmed by the Congressman and former presidential candidate Ron Paul. Yesterday he spoke to students at a conference in Washington, and stressed that the best that the Americans can do for a country like Ukraine is to stop interfering in its internal affairs. “One thing I can say for sure is that NATO and the EU were part of the coup in Ukraine. This is an irrefutable fact. My position is that it is necessary to immediately remove the United States of America and NATO from there (from Ukraine).”

        After all, there are sensible and honest politicians in the USA! And he is also a former presidential candidate! I wonder if he will run in 2016?


        Do not build illusions. They are sane until they become at the helm of power. The current policy is a condition, direct and only, for the survival of the parasitic species
    2. +2
      16 February 2015 11: 30
      Information slipped that Polish and Lithuanian units entered Ukraine. Illegally, naturally.
  7. +3
    16 February 2015 10: 18
    Self-propelled cyborg coffin!
    1. +7
      16 February 2015 10: 36
      I’ll have a steeper hook on the gate than on this iron shed laughing
    2. 0
      16 February 2015 12: 25
      Given the high center of gravity, it is also self-destructing.
  8. +5
    16 February 2015 10: 18
    Well done British, all the same they are like bourgeois, so competently vparit trash, which is suitable only for surrender to ferrous metal.
    1. +2
      16 February 2015 10: 35
      I read somewhere that they boiled 54 pieces of bucks, for each coffin!
  9. +2
    16 February 2015 10: 18
    It would be for the censor, but I can’t-banned. That would be fun. Drop someone.
    1. +1
      16 February 2015 10: 30
      Quote: Kosta153
      It would be for the censor, but I can’t-banned. That would be fun. Drop someone.

      On this occasion, they have been rejoicing with happiness there since Friday ...
      1. leobos
        +1
        16 February 2015 11: 55
        It’s a pity they don’t specify - beads and mirrors with rattles were given a bonus?
        1. +3
          16 February 2015 12: 24
          Quote: leobos
          It’s a pity they don’t specify - beads and mirrors with rattles were given a bonus?

          Right now the bonus is given out with "cookies", well, or with dry rations Yes
  10. +3
    16 February 2015 10: 19
    The British were too lazy to dispose of it and they stole this scrap metal in the air.
    1. +1
      16 February 2015 10: 26
      Quote: morpogr
      The British were too lazy to dispose of it and they stole this scrap metal in the air.


      As well as the Americans transfer (sell) to Uzbekistan used equipment from Afghanistan.
  11. +11
    16 February 2015 10: 19
    Have a good day everyone. Unlike an armored personnel carrier with 8 leading - this "unit" after beating / puncturing one of the wheels greatly deteriorates the ability to run away. high center of gravity and narrow tires - lousy permeability. There are no onboard embrasures, and the hull is not comfortable for sitting "on armor". In general, they shoved it - unpicked by the Ukrainians.
  12. +1
    16 February 2015 10: 19
    Richard, you’re a direct expert, we couldn’t see without you that it’s just coffins on wheels, designed for cannon fodder. Well, on the whole, the fellow confirmed the thoughts of the crowd that the technique is humorous.
  13. +6
    16 February 2015 10: 19
    And they gave information to the militia: shoot from a heavy machine gun, for sure.
  14. +4
    16 February 2015 10: 19
    Chumadan on wheels ... What can I say about it, if the Ukrainians are already selling it to the left with might and main? I was struck by the hook on the door, these are usually hung in rural latrines ... This "chumadan" is a direct evidence of the EU's attitude towards its adored rebels from the Maidan.
    1. +2
      16 February 2015 10: 26
      Also drew attention to the hook. Now the question is tormented: "Why the heck?"
      1. +1
        16 February 2015 10: 33
        Quote: avl01
        Also drew attention to the hook. Now the question is tormented: "Why the heck?"


        Maybe that would mislead the enemy? what
    2. +2
      16 February 2015 10: 32
      Quote: Abbra
      I was struck by a hook on the door, such usually hang in rural restrooms ...


      This is a sophisticated locking system developed by the British Ministry of Defense wassat
      1. 0
        16 February 2015 13: 07
        British scientists have developed
  15. +15
    16 February 2015 10: 19
    Comrades are off topic - but the news is good:


    Indian Defense Ministry intends to abandon the purchase of 126 French multirole fighter Rafale. According to the publication of Business Standard, this decision is associated with the high cost of aircraft.
    16.02.2015, 09: 28

    «Today, one can almost say for sure that the response of the Ministry of Defense to the proposal of the French manufacturer, Dassault Aviation, will be “no”- TASS quoted a representative of the Indian negotiation committee.

    “And the reason for this is the very high final price for 126 fighters, which, as subsequent calculations showed, are by no means the most profitable acquisition against the backdrop of offers from other companies,” he said.

    Original news RT in Russian:
    http://russian.rt.com/article/74576
    1. 0
      16 February 2015 14: 14
      Good news spitting in the face of the paddling pool good
  16. +3
    16 February 2015 10: 19
    And he will not reach the front line, I suppose.
    They will distribute it to the law-abductors, so that it is more convenient to carry the stolen junk, and to chase the evaders.
  17. +1
    16 February 2015 10: 20
    Those gods that are not good for us.
  18. +3
    16 February 2015 10: 21
    "completely unsuitable for current operations, so I think it incredible that they are being sold or given to unfortunate Ukrainians," the general said.

    Why is it inappropriate! Very comfortable. They are initially similar to coffins, you can bury dill immediately in them ...
  19. +2
    16 February 2015 10: 21
    These are completely useless semi-armored trucks that cannot be used on the front line, he said. - There is nothing more immoral than to present the transfer of these vehicles as "good news" for Ukrainians

    Interestingly, in 404 there is at least one exertion that would not turn into zrada?
    In short,
    Good news, everyone!
    (c) Hubert J. Farnsworth
    The firing of 7,62x54 mm cartridges with LPS bullets from the SVD rifle and modern 7H10 5,45x39 mm cartridges from the AK-74 assault rifle left only shallow marks

    The problem is that the "assault groups" of the militia are very fond of carrying 12,7 mm machine guns with them. Suffice it to recall at least the operations to block roads to checkpoints.
    1. 0
      16 February 2015 10: 56
      So the militia of the DPR also has PTRS available, And there the caliber is 14,5mm, abruptly 12,7mm will be !!!!
      1. +1
        16 February 2015 11: 25
        Quote: sso-250659
        So the militia of the DPR also has PTRS available, And there the caliber is 14,5mm, abruptly 12,7mm will be !!!!

        Caliber - yes.
        But with the "shoot" and "hit" at the PTRS is bad. Uv. Ulanov, the docks were laid out according to our PTR:
        "The lack of lubrication on the casings when firing with a dirty chamber leads to the impossibility of removing the case from the chamber with the ejector and to the collapse of the case head."
        "After 15-20 shots have been fired, the breech and bore need to be cleaned, otherwise the ejector tears the edge of the case. There are cases of lateral rupture of the case."
        "The practice of using PTR in the troops, especially in summer conditions, shows that even if the rules for preparing guns for firing in accordance with paragraph 1 are observed, there are guns that do not provide free extraction.
        To eliminate the delays in reloading the rifle arising in this case, allow the troops to use a wooden mallet. "

        Incidentally, they already complained about the non-extraction of the liner in 2014:
        Passing by, one of the local commanders consistently
        and. puzzled me with the firmware of the radio station "Argut" A-54
        b. showed how puzzled he himself was with a torn sleeve tightly seated in the chamber of the PTRS
        at. shared memories of his gaming past. Warface, two golden hedgehogs, all things.
        (c) kenigtiger

        Plus, the PTRS and PTRDs have pretty shitty accuracy and a sharp recoil (payment for initial speed) - in that war, this killed all attempts to make a sniper gun out of the PTR. They tried to do this repeatedly - with the same result: the optics are "killed" after 5-6 shots, but even these 5-6 shots get "somewhere in the target area." In that war, poor accuracy had to be treated by massaging the PTR - let someone fall.
  20. +3
    16 February 2015 10: 22
    The British have always had a "non-standard" approach to the design of armored vehicles. An ugly car cannot be good.
  21. +1
    16 February 2015 10: 22
    I guess even to whom they will be put. Of course Idaram, Donbass, etc. to get rid of quickly laughing laughing laughing
  22. +7
    16 February 2015 10: 22
    But on the censor svidomye, about the "Saxons", almost pee with boiling water with happiness. Like, such a cool car ...
    Yes, and more ...
    They naively believe that they did not fire at a caliber of 7,62x54 mm, but more.
    And they believe that the driver’s right-hand drive arrangement will cause confusion and misunderstanding in the ranks of the militias.
  23. +2
    16 February 2015 10: 23
    Even if the bullets of 7,62 do not penetrate this "armored beetle", they will pierce 12,7 and 14,5.
    1. +2
      16 February 2015 10: 28
      Quote: Neighbor
      Even if the bullets of 7,62 do not penetrate this "armored beetle", they will pierce 12,7 and 14,5.


      A police car from the last century with minimal body armor, it’s easier to PAZik sheet metal sheets and cheaper and faster. laughing
  24. KIL
    KIL
    +1
    16 February 2015 10: 23
    They only scare football hooligans. laughing
    1. +5
      16 February 2015 12: 45
      Quote: KIL
      They only scare football hooligans. laughing

      C'mon, compared to some ukromashinkami English armored car is not so bad wassat Everything is relative laughing






      1. +1
        16 February 2015 13: 24
        Loved the coffin (3rd from the top) hung with slabs from a spare field airfield!
      2. +2
        16 February 2015 14: 03
        these pictures are just surrealism some ... pepelats nervously smokes on the sidelines =)
        1. +3
          16 February 2015 14: 44
          Quote: ermak.sidorov
          these pictures are just surrealism some ... pepelats nervously smokes on the sidelines =)

          This is a harsh reality ...
          I myself am in shock - how can you even think of such a thing? belay
          1. +1
            17 February 2015 16: 03
            if you don’t mind, I will copy to my collection a photo of these copies ... you never know who scare or cheer wassat
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  26. Vacha1974
    +2
    16 February 2015 10: 23
    Funny article. I haven’t laughed like that for a long time. Especially liked the statements of the British military. Why doesn't Parashenko listen to them?
    1. 0
      16 February 2015 11: 26
      Quote: Vacha1974
      Funny article. I haven’t laughed like that for a long time. Especially liked the statements of the British military. Why doesn't Parashenko listen to them?

      He is a military man himself, so he knows better. There, what epaulettes are representative - either a general or an ordinary - are not clear. By the way, Yushchenko, no matter what the hoopoe, but was not shy about appearing before the military (during exercises, etc.) with shoulder straps of the army captain.
  27. +3
    16 February 2015 10: 24
    Cool cart. The shape reminds tanks of the first world smile
    1. +2
      16 February 2015 10: 34
      Quote: ohtsistem
      The shape reminds tanks of the first world


      My children from the "Lego" constructor assemble the same "papilacs". laughing
    2. +1
      16 February 2015 11: 40
      These are the British - recognized geniuses of shushpanzerdizayna. laughing

      Remember their superheavy breakthrough tank 1943 years - unforgettable TOG. Or the AT family.
  28. +2
    16 February 2015 10: 25
    Test firing is cool! I remember in 1995 helmets with visors came to us, severe infection. They showed us from the tests, well, everything is kept neither by the machine, nor the SVD, nor the PM does not break glass at point-blank range.
    The first operation in Samashki a sniper in the head of an officer ... a helmet helped so that the brains did not fly out.
    But for Poroshenko do not care for him to ride this junk, and people do not mind
  29. +2
    16 February 2015 10: 26
    uglier than the British and could not come up with) the fact that the crew inside is sitting with its backs to the loopholes))) which means there will be no return fire from this bucket)
  30. +1
    16 February 2015 10: 27
    God is on you, that I don’t need ... Damn, such a shame, it’s a shame for Ukrainians, they threw them like that ...
  31. +6
    16 February 2015 10: 27
    They made me laugh! The DPR and LPR have weapons that are worse than the SVD and AKM, the so-called anti-tank rifles of the Great Patriotic War. The English "Saxons" will burn like bonfires. laughing
  32. +2
    16 February 2015 10: 27
    the designer of this unit must hammer a nail in the head, an ugly and worthless coffin, not an armored car! How can you ride such a thing? Although there is a plus! The fact that this is a miracle of the English defense industry is an excellent target for RPGs, you will not miss anyone from the maximum distance))))
  33. Tribuns
    +4
    16 February 2015 10: 28
    "Generous" London "squalid" Kiev "shoves" dangerous armored cars: "From toby, not good, it is not good for us"
    Better this way: "On you, CAREFULLY that we do not want" ... It's about the wretched, who does not mind giving only what we no longer need.
  34. +2
    16 February 2015 10: 31
    Bravo! The British found a profitable way to dispose of unnecessary junk ... And because you look at these ukroklunov and you want to cry with laughter, they stand near the armored car of almost the 1st World War and clatter their tongues - such a wondrous, high-tech technique ... fuu cynicism and hypocrisy of Kiev politicians, causes not even irritation anymore ... but stupid disgust and gagging, only from one of their kind.
  35. +3
    16 February 2015 10: 32
    This is not a battlefield machine, but a police armored car to disperse demonstrators
    1. 0
      16 February 2015 10: 38
      Yes, not even for overclocking, just armored vehicles for drugs, such as our "Pokemon" hi
  36. +1
    16 February 2015 10: 35
    Ukrovoyak the most. This is just how much the shaves despise dill, this is a mobile toilet.
    The militia will be furious that they crap for it.
  37. 0
    16 February 2015 10: 35
    I didn’t understand: the British didn’t explain to xoxlam that it was a mobile crematorium for a car?
  38. +4
    16 February 2015 10: 35
    We are already in the next topic over these armor neighing. laughing The DNR boys say, let them carry it, there will be something to train grenade launchers at. It’s difficult to smear such a fool laughing
  39. +2
    16 February 2015 10: 36
    Poor Saxon. And so he was not handsome, but now they have even more mutilated.
  40. +1
    16 February 2015 10: 37
    Former chief of the British Armed Forces, Richard Dannat, believes that the Saxon semi-armored vehicles transferred to Ukraine are useless for combat operations and even dangerous for those. who will be in them
    open your eyes, svidomye! of you made a beast of speechless fool or maybe they said thanks
  41. 0
    16 February 2015 10: 37
    This is a roadside picnic machine!
  42. +2
    16 February 2015 10: 37
    Let's say ... but why didn’t they show the photo of the armored car after shooting 12.7 mm or even RPG-7? because the militias are not fools to bullet for an armored target from ak and svd ... A cliff, for example, or an RShG ... or even a PTRD))
  43. 0
    16 February 2015 10: 43
    And who is the supreme chief in Ukraine by rank? Really generalissimo?
    Particularly impressed with the ATO truck.
    And someone was able to break through an APC from SVD? or from AK-74?
  44. 0
    16 February 2015 10: 50
    gentlemen, everything is simpler. these rydvanka will go further ... to the countries of the African continent. but already with the swastika of Kakland.
  45. 0
    16 February 2015 10: 54
    Carriage.
    But how much patriots did cover up on it - the entire heritage of the Ukrainian SSR is not finished, the Communists left so much for them, but they don’t have enough
  46. 0
    16 February 2015 10: 57
    Chorus rush car, roomy coffin on wheels, unpretentious truth.
  47. 0
    16 February 2015 10: 57
    President ukrov takes care of the cannon
    meat, but more about your pocket.
  48. 0
    16 February 2015 10: 57
    Here's what else to dig for this monster:
    In the early 1970s, the company "GKN Sankey" in an initiative order developed the police armored vehicles AT100 (4 x 2) and AT104 (4 x 4). The first one did not go into the series, and orders from the Netherlands and Brunei arrived at the AT104 (a total of about 30 vehicles for the internal security forces of these countries).
    Later, the AT105 was created, which was given the name Saxon. It was a completely new development that used many of the chassis components of a 4-ton Bedford 4x4 truck. Production of the AT105 began in 1976. A total of 832 such vehicles were produced, 664 of which went into service with the British Army, and the rest - in the armed forces of Bahrain, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Nigeria, Oman and the OAU.
    The AT105 has a welded housing made of steel bulletproof armor. Cars were produced in two versions - for left-hand and right-hand traffic, respectively, the location of the engine and driver changed. The troop compartment occupied the entire central and aft parts of the hull. Four doors were used for landing and disembarkation in export cars (one on each side and two in the stern), while in the British there was no door on the port side (instead of it (?) A compartment for storing spare parts and additional property). The commander’s turret did not rotate, so four observation devices were installed in it, which ensured all-round observation. A 7,62 mm machine gun was also located in the turret. On various options, additional turret machine guns of 7,62 or 12,7 mm caliber were installed, as well as special means (for example, to disperse demonstrators). On the basis of the Saxon armored personnel carrier, a command vehicle, a self-propelled mortar, medical and police modifications were created.
    1. 0
      16 February 2015 11: 11
      Here is about him:
      http://libatriam.net/read/619938/
  49. +2
    16 February 2015 10: 58
    Colleagues, what a negative! The most distinguished Typewriter! Rather, to the forefront! And they will give the money for them as soon as they receive it from Russia for the defeated Donetsk ...
  50. +9
    16 February 2015 10: 58
    Soon the Saxons will put them in the country! wassat
  51. +1
    16 February 2015 10: 58
    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    It would be nice for Ukraine to transfer heavy armored personnel carriers FV432 "Bulldog" -


    What for? They'll break it anyway.
  52. +6
    16 February 2015 11: 00
    Lenin on Saxon
  53. +1
    16 February 2015 11: 02
    It's fine, everything's fine. It looks like a coffin and a pig, there are more of these APUs... wassat
  54. +3
    16 February 2015 11: 07
    More help for NATO dill! laughing
    1. 0
      16 February 2015 11: 27
      For the Square, everything is in one place, it would be a good idea to turn the wheels over, otherwise the tread points in the other direction. laughing
  55. 0
    16 February 2015 11: 09
    In the video, the voice-over “looks menacing” - he looks exactly like the letter “G”, h...m, but in this case, a coffin, and it’s a pity for the Slavic brothers that they will dissect them on such targets.
  56. 0
    16 February 2015 11: 12
    Quote: morpogr
    The British were too lazy to dispose of it and they stole this scrap metal in the air.

    This is most likely, because... Recycling also costs money. I recently read an article that talked about the disposal in Crimea of ​​medical equipment and medicines supplied there back in Ukrainian times as humanitarian aid. They were already out of date. And this is not the first time. Expired drugs and equipment that need to be disposed of are sold to someone under the guise of humanitarian aid.
  57. 0
    16 February 2015 11: 15
    They shot from 20 meters checking the armor of the Saxon, funny. Here is another military dill confirming his stupidity in military affairs. For 20 or at least 50 meters, a bullet, like from a rifle or machine gun, does not have time to accelerate (gain torque inertia) after flying out of the barrel. It is correct to check body armor or any other armor, you should start firing at least from 100 meters.
  58. Mityay76
    +1
    16 February 2015 11: 16
    NATO, of course, is “handsome”, as soon as 404 some Tranches shine, they immediately sell them some kind of “Unliquid” to account for these tranches. Money must work - Capitalism!
  59. 0
    16 February 2015 11: 19
    WHAT IS THE HOOK IN THE LAST PHOTO?
    1. 0
      16 February 2015 13: 14
      A military secret...
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  60. +1
    16 February 2015 11: 20
    very comfortable multi-seat ukrocybercoffin wassat
  61. 0
    16 February 2015 11: 22
    They will be placed not in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but in the National Guard. They will restore “order” in the territories of Donbass, and disperse new unwanted Maidans throughout the country.
  62. 3axap
    0
    16 February 2015 11: 22
    My point of view is that no equipment will help this Fascist-Ukrainian State. Even if they bring equipment there from all over the world, it WILL NOT HELP. Fascism is doomed to defeat. hi
  63. -2
    16 February 2015 11: 23
    Well, if you put down the fun, they were not purchased by the whole people, but by volunteers with their own money, and there is an opinion that they are still better than the BTR-80 and other things that remained from the USSR, because the BTR-80 cannot even withstand such shelling.
    1. +2
      16 February 2015 11: 40
      The BTR-80 has a corresponding armor slope, which this coffin does not have at all. And, by the way, the BTR-80 has proven itself very well not in police work, but in combat operations.
  64. 0
    16 February 2015 11: 27
    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: Abbra
    I was struck by a hook on the door, such usually hang in rural restrooms ...


    This is a sophisticated locking system developed by the British Ministry of Defense wassat

    I understand why this hook is needed. In the photo with the hook on the right you can see a piece of the door. So on this door there is a loop for this hook (100%).
    When you open the door, you hook the loop and the door remains in the open position, doesn’t dangle, doesn’t flap in the wind, or generally gets in the way.
    I use the exact same “system” on my woodshed. I don’t have any light there, and if it slams, it’s dark, and again, it’s inconvenient to bring in and take out firewood without this “system.” I came up with it myself. Just the opposite: the loop is screwed into the wall, and the hook is on the door; it also locks the door when necessary.
    smile
  65. 0
    16 February 2015 11: 36
    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    If the Ukrainians receive modern weapons, the likelihood of offensive operations to create a land corridor to Crimea or liberate Kyiv decreases. And the war in Novorossiya will end by itself

    Well, if you really love democracy and the USA, hate everything Russian and Russia, study at school and instead of studying here you write comments on a cosmic scale and corresponding stupidity - then this position is the most suitable.
    The war in Novorossiya “will end by itself” only on the ruins of Russia (Creator forbid), after the exhaustion of human resources, so to speak.
    True, there is a second option - the guts of your adored idols may not stand it, and then the war will also stop, yes.
    But we won’t finish them off. We don't want to kill anyone at all.
    We will take on you, young pisuns. You will again walk in formation to the drum with the cheerful song “Who walks together in a row? Our construction squad!”
    For physical labor is the best cure for reasoning on the topic “What weapons can be provided to the fascists so that they can defeat Russia?”
  66. 0
    16 February 2015 11: 37
    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    “I want to say to the critics of this contract that their level of armored protection is higher than that of the armored personnel carrier (meaning the Soviet model).”

    According to the adviser to the Ukrainian president, Yuri Biryukov, “side armor demonstrated machine "Saxon" stood it the penetration of an armor-piercing bullet B-32 of a cartridge of caliber 7,62x54 mm from an SVD rifle from a distance of 20 m

    which is true, then true
    the security of Soviet armored personnel carriers is such that the sides break through with small arms

    It would be nice for Ukraine to transfer heavy armored personnel carriers FV432 "Bulldog" -


    Or British BMP FV510 "Warrior" -


    Ukraine must be given modern weapons. Violence is held back by parity, the realization that the answer will be. Robbers are less likely to climb into a house with weapons. Colt - the great equalizer - provides the relative safety of the small and the weak - the big and the strong will think twice whether to hurt him? If Ukrainians get modern weapons, the likelihood of offensive operations to create a land corridor to the Crimea or the liberation of Kiev is reduced. And the war in Novorosia itself will end


    But in Russia there are no types of modern weapons? If it’s in the West, we’ll set up our armored personnel carriers and that’s it – the evil Russian Vanka is defeated and runs in fear. Especially if fashionable Western “guns” are distributed to Ukrainians - as in the Col of Duty - then the Russians will definitely throw away the Kalash out of shame and leave.
    1. +1
      16 February 2015 12: 28
      Ha..on them and not the equipment. They'll break it anyway! wassat This is enough!
  67. +2
    16 February 2015 11: 40
    Looks like a self-propelled dumpster
    1. 0
      16 February 2015 11: 47
      Quote: Kirdin
      Looks like a self-propelled dumpster

      That's right Yuri! Plant the entire headquarters of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and lustrate them with RPGs...
  68. 0
    16 February 2015 11: 58
    By the way, I support some commentators in terms of “Ukraine needs to provide samples of modern weapons, but only a few, 1-2 samples each. The militia will take it away as usual, and then we can transfer it to Russia, so to speak, for testing.
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  70. 0
    16 February 2015 12: 20
    Mystic. . . It reminded me of the deliveries of Czech Kalash rifles (not in working order) to the country of Latvians in the 90s. Time passes, but the breeding patterns of Eurobiots-general humans remain unchanged.
  71. +2
    16 February 2015 12: 30
    NATO will help!!!
  72. 0
    16 February 2015 12: 45
    SAHON cars are only for national anal heroes like the right sector and the like.
  73. 0
    16 February 2015 12: 58
    You can't give them weapons, but a pig for a psychological attack wassat - so please take it, maybe the militia will run away scared.
  74. 0
    16 February 2015 14: 36
    Why the hell is there such a hook in such a place? Tell me, please, dear....
  75. 0
    16 February 2015 14: 38
    The "best" examples of the "best" army. Good luck dill in this armored coffin and dig it in if anything happens... Yes
  76. 0
    16 February 2015 15: 40
    Quote: a52333
    Judging by the dump in front and the bars on the windows, he was used against street riots. Useless trash for warfare

    They will scald the perimeter with nets from soldiers’ beds and pull them for a fresh Maidan.
  77. +1
    16 February 2015 17: 35
    coffins on wheels from britain
  78. kelevra
    0
    16 February 2015 17: 56
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, these are armored cars laughing I'm blown away by how stupid dill are!!!!!!
  79. 0
    16 February 2015 21: 22
    As a result, all this stuff will eventually be converted by the local Kulibins in order to carry firewood and go fishing.
  80. 0
    17 February 2015 18: 25
    It’s strange, but the former Eastern Bloc countries have already sold all the Soviet armored personnel carriers for scrap metal?
  81. 0
    18 March 2015 10: 40
    The next delivery of the latest British equipment is on its way. The militia are already scared and ready to capitulate.

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