The army demands to remove Serdyukov! September 18 - All-Russian action and the adoption of an appeal to the President.

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The army demands to remove Serdyukov! September 18 - All-Russian action and the adoption of an appeal to the President.

Dear friends!

September 18 starts All-Russian action "Army against Serdyukov." In Moscow, the rally will begin in 13-00 on Pushkin Square, also promise to support us in Murmansk, Severodvinsk, Samara, Stavropol, Arkhangelsk and other cities of the country.

We tolerated for a long time, listened to the promises of the Ministry of Defense, wrote unanswered letters, deputy requests, but we were not heard. Many of the officers whose rights we defend served in the Soviet army, many are waiting for their housing according to the law for 10-20 years, some of them have no housing at all, for many years they live with families where they spend their nights at work. Meanwhile, the Minister of Defense, as if nothing had happened, reports to the President that the process of providing soldiers with apartments is in full swing, and by the end of 2012-year it will be completed.

This can no longer continue! Three and a half months have passed since the Public Council for the Protection of the Rights of Servicemen held its first action. For three months we heard one thing: "Wait! Everything will be!" But we understand that we have to wait exactly before the elections. Wait to make sure once again that there will be nothing! And we will not wait!

Once again I ask all those who are not indifferent to the fate of our army to inform as many people as possible about the action and by all means come themselves. We need to show that we are not a handful of disgruntled grumblers, but a real civil society to be reckoned with!

At the rally, we will make an appeal to the President. Below I publish its text. I ask everyone who is with us to extend this appeal as much as possible, and also to sign in his support! Signatures (name, profession or social status, region) leave in the comments to this post, moderators will gradually add you to the list.


Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation
Comrade Supreme Commander!


Those who are not indifferent to the further fate of the country's army appeal to you! Today, we all understand that our army is in a critical condition, and how soon it will come out of it and whether it will come out at all, our future directly depends. Our meeting is a reaction of the army to the inability of the Minister of Defense and his team to cope with their duties. We are convinced that the continued presence of Mr. A. Serdyukov at such a responsible post is not only inexpedient, but also extremely dangerous.

We have to admit that the large-scale reform that began in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, in accordance with the “Strategy for the social development of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation for the period up to 2020”, is in a deadlock. None of the goals of military reform: to improve the quality of social development of the Armed Forces to the level of the five best armies in the world, to strengthen the country's defense capability, to make military service prestigious - not achieved.

Recently, a huge amount of housing for retired military personnel in various regions of the Russian Federation has really been built. But, alas, only a small percentage of apartments out of these tens of thousands are actually inhabited, and not “on paper”. The main reason for this is corruption and bureaucracy! Officials of the Ministry of Defense cannot agree among themselves; there is no interaction at the proper level with local administrations - they have been idle for years at home. Serious problems are also the absence of a legal queue for the provision of housing, the imperfection of the legal framework governing housing legal relations in the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation. The housing system for military personnel created over many years was destroyed, and the initially corrupt and extremely incompetent structures — the Department of Housing Services and the Department of Property Relations of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation — were established.

Serious problems and our defense industry. The defensive order is not carried out from year to year. This is recognized by the leadership of the country. But not military officials are blamed for this, but scientists and designers. Military science is at an impasse - not enough money for it. We do not have modern weaponsand we still hope that we are a great nuclear power. Meanwhile, the level of our defenses has plummeted. Military retirees, many of whom are veterans of military service, are in distress. Since January 1, 2012 for servicemen of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is planned in connection with the adoption of the Federal Law “On the remuneration of servicemen and providing them with separate payments”, to introduce a reduction factor for the pension accrual base in the amount of 0,54 (54% of the salary for the military and special positions , salary for military and special rank and percentage premium for long service) and keep the existing procedure for determining the amount of pension, but from a reduced base of pension accrual - 50% for 20 years of service and 3% for each year of service 20 years, but not more than 85%.

These bills show a discriminatory approach to military retirees and persons equated to them. We believe that when discussing the aforementioned bills, the deputies should have made an amendment, according to which, when retiring military servicemen, war invalids and other categories of people affected for public interests, pension payments are not 54, but 100% of the assigned pension.

In addition, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation does not take comprehensive measures to solve the problems of deceived co-investors. By the most conservative estimates, there are more than a thousand families of deceived real estate investors through the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. People are forced to go on unauthorized actions to attract the attention of the country's leadership to their problem.

We see that a radical restructuring of the organizational system of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, a dramatic reduction in the number of personnel of the army and fleet, parts and compounds are carried out without scientific justification and serious expert evaluation. As a result, hundreds of thousands of officers, warrant officers and midshipmen and members of their families are subjected to social repression, deprived of the opportunity to continue their service and thrown out into the streets, replenishing millions of unemployed and destitute.

The economic base of defense has been practically destroyed, the mobilization system and defense management structures of the country are missing, the defense industry complex has lost its systemic ability to provide the army with modern weapons and military equipment, and the spiritual and moral basis of the military profession has been undermined. In the long run, this may lead to a decrease in combat effectiveness below a critical level and even to the threat of losing Russia's sovereignty.

Comrade Supreme Commander! Based on the foregoing, we, the military personnel, citizens discharged from military service to the reserve, family members, civilian personnel of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, demand:

1) Immediate resignation of the current Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Anatoly Serdyukov and his team, in connection with a complete official inconsistency, as well as bringing him to criminal liability for damage caused to the state.
2) Adopt the law “On Parliamentary Control” and “On the Security Council”, in which to define the criteria for the formation of this Council, and to prescribe the responsibility of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation for his decisions.
3) In the shortest possible time to eliminate gross violations of housing legislation in the field of housing. This applies to the provision of official living space to persons serving in the military service under the contract, as well as providing living quarters for permanent residence to those who are subject to dismissal or have already been discharged or retired and have the right to permanent housing.
4) Repeal the amendment to the Law “On the Status of Military Personnel” article 15.1, introduced by the Federal Law No. 342-ФЗ from 08.12.2010, concerning changes in the norm of the total living space as violating the requirements of the Constitution and the rights of citizens of the Russian Federation.
5) to the General Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation and the Accounting Chamber of the Russian Federation to conduct a thorough check on how budget funds were spent for the construction (purchase) of housing for military personnel, how many apartments were built (purchased), how it was paid and at what price for the entire reporting period, including the “15 + 15.
6) Stop the collapse of the defense industry, military education and military science.
7) Revise the draft law “On the monetary allowance of military personnel and the provision of separate payments to them” and make changes in the coefficient for the pension accrual base, which do not infringe the rights of military retirees and persons equal to them.
8) Determine the shortest time to restore the construction work of paid co-investors' apartments through the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, and also consider the issue of providing them with alternative housing.

Public Council for the Protection of the Legal Rights of Military Personnel
The Initiative Group Forum for the mutual legal assistance of military personnel
Union of Navy Sailors
Cheated interest holders through the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. zczczc
    -3
    17 September 2011 14: 42
    It is interesting, of course, to invite people to come in 1,5 hours after the start ...
    1. +4
      17 September 2011 14: 48
      today is the 17th, what is 1,5 hours?
      1. zczczc
        -3
        17 September 2011 15: 53
        Oh damn, the date on the computer was not that!
        Thank you!
    2. +1
      18 September 2011 00: 08
      I like the headline - the Army demands to remove Serdyukov! Especially clean, does it itself require something? Do special forces have something?
      1. +1
        18 September 2011 15: 40
        It clearly and clearly says what the Supreme Commander demands.
  2. pokermen
    +2
    17 September 2011 15: 06
    Here are naive Taburetkin-son-in-law of Zubkov who will take him off
    1. svvaulsh
      -5
      19 September 2011 13: 20
      ....... who will plant him! ?? He is a monument !!!(Gentlemen of Fortune, dir. Gaidai)
  3. matolyan
    -10
    17 September 2011 15: 28
    The army is gone for a long time !!!!! Of course, we ourselves are to blame for this, first of all those who, by the bones of others, the bones of honest officers, by the bones of their destinies, REMAINED in the army of a new look. And now these "officers" want the truth !!!! The "gentlemen" for what they fought for, they ran into it.
    1. +19
      17 September 2011 16: 38
      Most of those remaining in the army hoped for a new look, at least somehow helping to preserve what was achieved during the years of the USSR and has not yet been destroyed. Blaspheming such officers is unacceptable. The army is not Serdyukov with the company. The Army is all of us - the current military personnel, Veterans of the Armed Forces, war veterans, war veterans and just all the citizens of Russia who are not indifferent to the fate of the Army, the fate of the country.
  4. -5
    17 September 2011 15: 38
    As with a goose, water will sweat on.
  5. ZEBRASH
    -3
    17 September 2011 15: 53
    I hope the president will at least somehow react to this appeal
    1. zczczc
      0
      17 September 2011 15: 56
      ZEBRASH, which the? He will instruct Serdyukov to speed up the work, and the administration and the police to stop the discontent.
    2. 0
      17 September 2011 16: 42
      I don’t believe that he will take it and react. They all go in one bow. I give an Internet lover, it seems. So he really doesn’t read indignant reviews about the reforms in the army, doesn’t he see how he is being deceived during all kinds of exercises, trainings etc. Maybe he himself is the same guardian for the army, for the people, for the security of Russia, Ka and the felmebel Taburetkin.
      1. +2
        17 September 2011 23: 10
        Yes, he sees everything, he knows everything. He’s just like that, he supports this field-maker.
        Here it is no longer necessary to act with demonstrations.
    3. Toroptsev
      +10
      17 September 2011 18: 21
      Guys, is it really not clear that the president, prime minister and others from the same gang ...
      1. indrik
        +1
        18 September 2011 09: 26
        the current president, a fool, will be rubbing about litigation and other legal crap. He knows about the army only from the movies and even from the American. Such power can not be achieved with anything other than a real threat of a coup.
        1. Oleg
          0
          18 September 2011 17: 15
          I'm afraid not from the American, but from my own: the series "SOLDIERS"
          Remember, there was such shit that in the minds not connected with the army sowed the seed of neglect of the warriors.
  6. Motherland
    +15
    17 September 2011 15: 53
    In any case, it would be better for this g * ndon to be removed from office and better shot
  7. Russian officer
    +24
    17 September 2011 16: 06
    My friends! Enough for you already. Go and help them! Well, in the end, you have to start somewhere. Water sharpens a stone. Silence certainly will not bring the desired result. Here is Zubkov’s son-in-law. Yes, and to hell with him. Let him know that he is a bastard. And the tandem scum. Today you have in Moscow. Tomorrow in Novosib. The day after tomorrow in Khabar. But the wave should ride. Go! We’ll go to our place too.
    1. +5
      17 September 2011 16: 48
      I believe that it is not worth emphasizing that it is a Russian officer. We are all the older ones - officers of the Soviet Union, the Soviet Army, and the current generation - Officers of Russia, the Russian Army. And do not be shy, and even more so afraid. This is what we need.
      1. +1
        18 September 2011 15: 30
        And if the rank-and-file or sergeants, or sailors, then they are not people. Your mother, you nevermind. We also served in the Army and we also have a sore soul. And then we are wondering if the veteran is not lower than the major, but the rank and file so, bring, give, went to FIG do not bother.
  8. +4
    17 September 2011 16: 11
    I support. With something to start.
  9. Motherland
    -6
    17 September 2011 16: 13
    Here you go, about 500 out of 2000 people (for example), and that you will be shown on the news and all will be left at their best as is at worst will be deprived of everything. Now our voice is only on the Internet, but they also want to take it under control now and I certainly would like to help you but unfortunately my maximum is moral support ... Of course, don’t sit idle and many revolutions fail because of disorganization, first you need to find the right person in his place before going to rebel for the removal of one or another rank, etc. they will put another one and there will be no difference anyway everything from the tandem
  10. ZEBRASH
    +3
    17 September 2011 16: 23
    It was also necessary to "remind" the president of the failure to comply with the court decision by Serdyukov in the case of the dismissed Biron
  11. strelok-07
    +2
    17 September 2011 16: 25
    If I had not read this article, I would not have known about this rally. I'm all for it. If I find out where it will be held in Kaliningrad, I will definitely go.
  12. r.anoshkin
    +12
    17 September 2011 17: 08
    Whoever judges whom, this raven will never peck anything to each other, otherwise we would have lived in a civilized country for a long time, and we have not been lucky with the ministers of our Army for a long time, starting with a Mercedes Pasha, whose bloody conscience has thousands of young lives laid down in winter 1994-1995 in Chechnya, when he threw the TEAM battalions (there were already no manned and combat units in the ground forces) from unshooted and untrained boys to hell, who really should sit at least for life, And Ivanov-sleek? for collapse, he would have to put up a monument in every city in America or China, so the last freak is just a continuation of the logical chain,
    1. -2
      17 September 2011 18: 13
      The combat-ready and well-trained units of the ground forces in 1994-95. - WERE. (if you do not know, do not state).
      1. r.anoshkin
        -1
        17 September 2011 18: 58
        Then WHY? Why all over Russia manned prefabricated units with an order from each regiment, so many soldiers?
        1. -2
          17 September 2011 19: 53
          Our regiment was fully equipped with its own personnel (only a dozen people were beaten in sergeant posts in communications, and even then from a neighboring regiment behind the fence). Conscripted servicemen, less than 9 months from the period of conscription, were not. Arrived in Mozdok on 17.12.94/XNUMX/XNUMX. The regiment was exactly the whole, with artillery battalion, reconnaissance, RMO, communications company + separate tank battalion, also of our garrison.
  13. akutischev
    +1
    17 September 2011 17: 18
    I support!
  14. gAMauzer
    +5
    17 September 2011 17: 28
    "PER"

    Tokmakov Mikhail Vladimirovich, born in 1992, the city of Novokuznetsk, Kemerovo region.
    Student of the West Federal District History Department of KuzGPA. Occupation: janitor.
    Active service in the ranks of the RF Armed Forces did not pass.
  15. Evil Tatar
    +4
    17 September 2011 17: 29
    I think that the content of the letter is decent, but there is no spiritual impulse, or something ... It was said correctly earlier: - where are the names of the worthy?
    We must go to the rally ... But we must go not with a request, a complaint, but a demand to shift such and such to such and such (the one whom the officers, soldiers, sailors and other Russian citizens believe in reserve), but with the candidate (s) there should be a sensible strategic, economic program of action for the revival of the Russian Army, which we must send to the President and the Prime Minister along with this appeal ... If they don’t call after that, at least they can take advantage of the work that has been adequately done ...
  16. Chipulia
    +3
    17 September 2011 17: 40
    Suchkoa Sergey Valentinovich, b. 1961 Togliatti, Samara region, military pensioner. Serdyukova in court.
  17. +4
    17 September 2011 17: 54
    Gorodetsky Boris Alexandrovich. Retired officer. Sverdlovsk region.
    I support everything and subscribe to the appeal. I think that it would be necessary:
    1. To sharpen external threats to Russia along the entire perimeter of our borders. 2. To exclude from the treatment the wording of those equated with military personnel. There are so many of them divorced now that there are not enough funds for the army. 3.Tell about the form of clothing. Almost all civil servants wear uniform with officer insignia, although they have no relation to the officer corps. And this infringes on the status of military personnel.
  18. ICT
    0
    17 September 2011 17: 58
    THE ARMY ENDED THE 9 OF MAY 2011 OF THE YEAR (AND INTERESTING WHICH OF TWO SITES SEATED NEAR THE PARADE DURING THE WALKING WALK OF THE TROOPS WILL REMOVE IT)
    1. Oleg
      -1
      18 September 2011 17: 20
      You're right! Seated velvet men hosting the Parade - this was the height of disrespect for both servicemen and Russia in the long run.
  19. nickname bj
    -1
    17 September 2011 18: 13
    So there will be "Petrov".
  20. ZEBRASH
    +1
    17 September 2011 18: 34
    Also chtoli subscribe? smile
    Sorokin Alexey Alekseevich, ninth-grader, Izhevsk
  21. +9
    17 September 2011 18: 39
    The Union of Paratroopers declared the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Anatoly Serdyukov “not shook hands” and demanded his resignation.
    This is stated in the statement of the union, posted on the organization’s website, k2kapital.com reports.

    “We declare Minister of Defense Serdyukov“ not a handshake ”and demand that the president remove him from office.”

    The paratroopers believe that Minister Serdyukov acts on the basis of selfish interests, which poses a threat to the state. "By creating the appearance of a safe state of the army, masking its mistakes and selfish goals under the transformation, Serdyukov and his proteges created a direct threat to the security of the state."
  22. lemtamk
    +8
    17 September 2011 18: 40
    For the dismissal of Taburetkin !!! Let him even the son-in-law of the bald!

    Guard Lieutenant Colonel Reserve Lemeshko Andrey Vladimirovich, Siberian Military District
  23. Captain
    +5
    17 September 2011 19: 01
    According
    And Makarov there too. . Tired of by golly!
  24. rawiljon
    +4
    17 September 2011 19: 03
    For dismissal and for initiating a criminal case for treason! Although who will dismiss him - the Commander-in-Chief, who is sitting down to host the Victory Parade, or the extreme prime minister, for whom tigers and whales are more important than the people and the Army? They do not need professionals, but "effective managers" who know how to sell everything that gets into their hands. A rhetorical question arises - who benefits from it?
  25. +7
    17 September 2011 19: 08
    Serdyukov Dismiss and put on trial.
    Retired Lieutenant Colonel Alexander B. Baranov, b. 1950 Senior citizen of MO, Buryatia
  26. Volkhov
    -2
    17 September 2011 19: 46
    The country's leadership has more information - they serve the evacuation transit and gather themselves, and the army requires more apartments in the flooded areas, money, not giving shoulder straps to civilians, fastening borders on the seabed ... A nurse will come to deliver promises ...
  27. 0
    17 September 2011 19: 51
    In Moscow, permission to hold a rally seems to have:
    http://s56.radikal.ru/i152/1109/f0/b128b751b7b1.jpg
  28. +5
    17 September 2011 19: 52
    In Moscow, permission to hold a rally seems to have:
  29. Fantom75100
    +7
    17 September 2011 20: 52
    "For" Tatyannikov Vyacheslav Nikolaevich. Military unit 3745 "BRON" 94-95gg, private, n / a BMP-1.
  30. senya
    -2
    17 September 2011 21: 03
    And you all look komenty bold koment .... he praises the restructuring of the army ... and stools .... here's the answer .... the right way is .... stool
  31. 916-th
    +15
    17 September 2011 21: 19
    I subscribe to the appeal, although I live in Kazakhstan. Because I clearly understand the inextricable link between the two countries and peoples - Russia and Kazakhstan.

    Vasilenko Stanislav Vasilievich, 1950 D.O.
    Senior Lieutenant of the reserve.

    PS It would be worth adding a warning to the appeal that the reaction of the President and / or the Prime Minister to this appeal will be regarded as an unambiguous sign of who the authorities are with the people and their army or with corrupt bloodsuckers.
  32. kazanskii
    +6
    17 September 2011 21: 32
    Rozhkov Alexander Viktorovich, born in 1960 SA officer in DRA, Kandahar 86-88 Completely "FOR"! A person can be called a criminal only by a court decision, but if in all fairness, then Serdyukov is essentially a state criminal! And he should be punished as a government official, who by his actions caused a very serious damage to the security of our country!
  33. Nikel
    0
    17 September 2011 21: 59
    Lived ... It is necessary to bring the country like that ... Enemies of the people! No matter how you call them.
  34. smir193
    +5
    17 September 2011 22: 37
    Support.
    Smirnov Andrei Valentinovich, b. 1969, reserve colonel, Rostov-on-Don.
  35. Announcement
    +4
    17 September 2011 22: 41
    BEHIND!
    Kasatkin Anton Aleksandrovich, 1988 year of birth, Novosibirsk, Novosibirsk region
    occupation: seller
  36. +1
    17 September 2011 23: 06
    Yes it ... It is necessary to judge! Open trial! And hang in public! Traditionally, by the neck. He is a traitor! And it doesn’t matter if he was not an agent of influence or was not recruited. Enough of his activity as such!
    What would you do with him that way 60 - 70 years ago, huh? Big bosses were then shot for less.
    The bad news is that our Biggest Official will not give it up - it was he who put it. In the best case, he will make either himself or the new Minister of Defense, another puppet or a tradesman as a deputy. : (((((((((((((((((((((((((((
    1. 0
      17 September 2011 23: 57
      From ancient times, traitors were imprisoned or quartered ...
      1. +1
        18 September 2011 06: 43
        By the way, it is not necessary to hang up by the neck ... There are options for more painful.
  37. Rodover
    +4
    17 September 2011 23: 44
    I am for. He was a reserve sergeant. 1968. He served in the Far Eastern Air Force in 86-88.
  38. panzersoldat
    +5
    17 September 2011 23: 50
    I, too, For, although not Russian. (Student 10th grade and DOSAAF), I hope that the future tanker.
    By the way, (I just don’t know) Did he even serve in the army?
  39. +5
    17 September 2011 23: 55
    Send the Airborne Forces in full gear, then not only the stool, will dump all the power ...
    1. asavchenko59
      -7
      18 September 2011 06: 36
      Our warriors are not capable of this. Now, if you drink vodka, beg the apartment and the president to complain about and without, yes it can! (how not offensive to be aware of this)
      1. 0
        18 September 2011 06: 48
        Is this your personal opinion? Or can you justify?
  40. +7
    18 September 2011 00: 29
    GDP understands that Serdyukov is a worthless and temporary figure, but he does not need others, and this is the whole essence of the power strategy of GDP. So that no one accidentally overshadows him at the political Olympus of Russia.
    Look at our government, which of them are professionals in their field. The Minister of Defense is a furniture seller, the Minister of Agriculture is a doctor, the Minister of Health is not a doctor, and what do you want to have as a result.
    Until the GDP is removed from power, we are guaranteed a miserable existence.
    The whole reason is in GDP.
    1. 0
      18 September 2011 00: 39
      Serdyuk son-in-law of the Minister of Agriculture ...
      1. 0
        20 September 2011 00: 17
        Sorry, s / x - this is what it is? Does it already / is it still, or is it only the minister?
  41. Anatoly
    +8
    18 September 2011 00: 53
    Of course, they won’t take anyone off, and it’s possible only for the species to find the next switchman ... but the point of noting the problem is important, so as not to remain silent again. Do not be content with just a cursory comment.
    Turned the bastard Army into a kindergarten and continues to destroy it!
    I fully subscribe to the appeal! Down with Serdyukov !!!!!
    (sergeant-contractor 2000-2003. Nizhny Novgorod, Sormovskaya division, communications battalion)
  42. +3
    18 September 2011 03: 05
    BEHIND!
    Suchkov Alexander Gennadievich, engineer of microelectronic technology. Hero City Sevastopol.
  43. +11
    18 September 2011 04: 36
    Although I am a civilian, I also want to speak out about Serdyukov. We have in Primorye in the village. Vozdvizhenka was an air regiment of long-range aviation and anti-aircraft forces, armed with far from the old Tu-22M3. It was thanks to Serdyukov, who said that he was not needed there and that these planes were old, now this regiment does not exist, and 17 TU-22M3s, abandoned and disassembled, remained in the parking lots. Those who don't know - google to help. I'm not an expert in this, but for example, the Americans have been using their B-52s for forty years, not counting that it is old. Second - Serdyukov once blurted out that the aerobatic teams "Swifts" and "Russian Knights" also need to be reduced, because "they are too expensive." For this alone it is not enough to remove it, you need to put it against the wall. I bet his salary is higher than the expenses of these aerobatic teams. I join you, dear - the commodity expert (or whoever he is there) has no place in the leadership of the Ministry of Defense. This is complete insanity, how was he assigned there?!?
  44. may.gur
    +14
    18 September 2011 05: 27
    I will never forgive this “specialist” for the collapse of our 67th brigade. (GRU special forces). But it was one of the most combat-ready units of the Armed Forces. I can’t call it another DIVERSION aimed at undermining the country's defense capabilities. By the way, it’s also 12 brigade. As long as the army is ruled by economists, professionals are not needed. The action is useful but it is unlikely that they will hear us. BABLO crossed out the notion of honor among those above ...
  45. asavchenko59
    -3
    18 September 2011 06: 32
    They drained the country, and now they are complaining to the main destroyers! Nonsense!
    1. 0
      18 September 2011 06: 55
      Again the common phrase in the style of excision. You, if anything, this country were sifting along with everyone else (unless of course you are painting from the states).

      And I did not see any complaints in the appeal. There were requirements. Try to feel the difference, if that. To do this, turn on the thought (brain) and read not through the word.

      And in general, in your opinion, what should I do? What options?

      Complain to Obama? Complain to the UN? Require apartments and equipment from the Communists 70-80 of the last century? Or even shove tongues deeper and silent?

      It may also be demanded from the main destroyer, who, oddly enough, according to the Constitution is responsible for the army. Commander in Chief.

      And in general, if there is nothing to say, then it is better to keep silent. More chances for a smart pass.
      1. zczczc
        -2
        18 September 2011 15: 01
        Banshee, no, well, formally he is right - you can see that it is as if the people are complaining to the heirs of precisely that power, which was ruining the Union. But really no one complains to them, because there is no point - people are just talking.
        1. 0
          20 September 2011 00: 21
          Very formal. And if you look legally, then everything is correct.
          In fact, in the style of the aforementioned participants, the same tandem can say in a voice: “But we didn’t ruin anything! This is Gorbachev and Yeltsin! And after them we’re trying to clean it up.” Something like that. The heir, the successor are already aspects. The commander-in-chief of the armed forces is a different alignment, whatever one may say. And already do not care if he is there or who else.
          For today's period of time he is responsible.
  46. 916-th
    +3
    18 September 2011 07: 13
    For your information:

    Information taken from the site "ROSSIYSKAYA GAZETA", dated 24.09.2007
    Link: http://www.rg.ru/2007/09/24/serdukov-anons.html

    “Anatoly Serdyukov retained the post of defense minister. Let us remind you that last week he resigned due to family ties with Prime Minister Viktor Zubkov, who is his son-in-law.

    Earlier, by appointing Serdyukov as defense minister, President Putin sought a specific goal - tight control over the distribution of financial flows in the military. Serdyukov began to fulfill this task, but over the past months since mid-February it has not been fully solved, successful, but only the first steps have been made. Therefore, even last week, RG did not rule out that the resignation of the defense minister would not be accepted.

    In one of his first interviews with "RG" Anatoly Serdyukov said that "today, when the Ministry of Defense began to receive significant funds, there is a need to improve the efficiency of the financial and economic service of the military department, so that not a single ruble is wasted and, moreover, is not lost for the army."

    "It is necessary to change the approaches to cost planning, the reporting system and tighten control. We have to carry out a whole range of measures with the involvement of specialists with experience in this area. We are now developing a technology that will maximally track all financial activities in the Armed Forces," he said ... Apparently, Serdyukov will continue to pursue the planned line in the work of the department.

    Dossier "RG"

    Anatoly Eduardovich Serdyukov was born on January 8, 1962 in the village of Kholmsky in the Abinsky district of the Krasnodar Territory.

    In 1984 he graduated from the Leningrad Institute of Soviet Trade with a degree in economics. Then he served in the Soviet Army for a year and a half. After returning from military service until 2000, he worked in St. Petersburg, the last position being the general director of one of the largest joint-stock companies in the city.

    In 2000 he defended his thesis, became a candidate of economic sciences. 2000-2001 - Deputy Head of the Inspectorate of the Ministry of the Russian Federation for Taxes and Levies in St. Petersburg. In 2001 he graduated from St. Petersburg State University with a degree in law.

    In May 2001, he was appointed Deputy Head of the Department of the Ministry of the Russian Federation for Taxes and Levies in St. Petersburg, and in November of the same year, he was appointed Head of the Department.

    March 2, 2002 became deputy minister of the Russian Federation for taxes and duties. Since March 16 - Acting Minister.

    July 27, 2004 was appointed head of the Federal Tax Service.

    Since February 15, 2007 - Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation. "

    PS Key, from my point of view, provisions are highlighted in the text in bold. There the following wording suggests itself: "... so that not a single ruble is spent to business and moreover was not lost to pockets of officials".
    1. zczczc
      -2
      18 September 2011 15: 03
      916-th, that Putin put it for the fin. control - this is known. Only these words. But in real life they put him for the reformation of the army. The fact that he is not the author of the reforms is obvious, but who is the author? Who worked out the plan for reforming the army. Who would say that!
  47. mar.tira
    +3
    18 September 2011 09: 01
    But is it possible to remove him. He’s a seasoned beast, he has a lot of protection. Nooo, it’s necessary in a different way, like in Dagestan. According to the list of close ones, and to the very end.
  48. 916-th
    +6
    18 September 2011 09: 15
    In continuation of the previous comment, I will give the following analogy:

    Imagine a large combat ship with a well-developed infrastructure of warheads (BCH-1, BCH-2, BCH-3, etc.). All this economy is commanded by the captain - "the first after God". His sacred duty is to keep the ship and all of its warheads in constant combat readiness. To do this, he must have the appropriate competencies and real authority among the ship's crew.

    On the ship, in a number of tens and hundreds of posts, there is a full-time position treasurer, far from the most important with t.z. maintaining the ship in a state of combat readiness (the boatswain, for sure, will be even more important!).

    One, not the most beautiful day (15.02.2007), the "god" appoints a treasurer in place of the captain, motivating it by the fact that, from his mother's point of view, the ship's financial condition is much more important than combat readiness.

    Rhetorical Questions: What about "God"? How can you describe it? What are true motives his solutions? At the same time, it should be borne in mind that "God" is actually far from stupid and not-short-sighted ruler.
  49. +3
    18 September 2011 09: 26
    Fully understanding all the anger of the people, I want to say: but it was not he who appointed himself to the Defense Ministry, and the policy which he oppresses is the policy of the "party"! I cannot imagine that generals in Soviet times smeared our weapons from high tribunes like that.
    Why don’t you say, but in Soviet times, the recruitment service worked better, I would not have arranged a son-in-law in the Defense Ministry with the help of the Minister !!!!
  50. indrik
    +4
    18 September 2011 09: 32
    "for" alekseev alexander sergeevich reserve sergeant Gkirishi flax obl.
  51. Crazyzy
    +4
    18 September 2011 09: 34
    I support you in everything. The army needs to be saved.
    Andriyanov Vladimir Ivanovich. Moscow. private 1998-2000 mechanic-driver of BMD 1.
  52. voin-xnumx
    +4
    18 September 2011 09: 57
    What is being done in our country is unacceptable. I don’t even know how to express this in words. Everything is shaking, we are ruled by the Germans and the like. Still an active officer (I'm waiting for a hut at my disposal).
  53. sogara
    +7
    18 September 2011 10: 06
    We have been on the waiting list for housing since 1998. And we no longer hope that we will get it. Therefore, I support this Action. Please sign three times:
    Major Samulenko A., retired from the Ministry of Defense, participant in combat operations in Afghanistan.
    Samulenko T., 1986-87 SA employee, in DRA.
    Tolysbaeva E., family member.
    I hope that the Action will take place in Kaliningrad. We'll definitely join.
  54. Motherland
    +2
    18 September 2011 10: 36
    Even if Serdyukov is removed, someone else will take his place and I don’t think it’s better, here we need to talk about a change in the entire government. With every news that the army is being cut, our lands are being distributed, people are not getting apartments, fucking corrupt people and high-ranking officials are getting away with impunity they kill people or receive minimal punishments, and with every piece of news like this you want to take a weapon and go shoot these creatures...
  55. +2
    18 September 2011 10: 42
    Hello, I have been visiting the site for a whole year. The site is wonderful, it’s interesting to read the comments and find out what people are breathing. This promotion did not leave me indifferent, I finally registered. I would definitely come if it weren’t for the six hour difference from Moscow
  56. 916-th
    +2
    18 September 2011 11: 02
    Kozma Prutkov also said: “Look at the root!”, which translated into modern Russian means: “Look for who benefits and why!”
    1. Nikel
      +1
      18 September 2011 12: 29
      They are corrupt enemies of the people!!!
  57. 12061973
    +4
    18 September 2011 11: 11
    increasing the allowance of the police and the army to the detriment and expense of all other social groups will not lead to good, people think who the authorities are so afraid of, and everyone has been tired of empty talk about army reform for 30 years.
  58. +5
    18 September 2011 11: 31
    At the anniversary Tenth International Investment Forum in Sochi, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin literally told the audience the following:
    “Our common goal is not to be a safe haven for speculative capital. All conditions must be created in Russia for so-called smart investments. If you talk to the heads of our leading banks - Sberbank, VTB, VEB, you will see that, as Shukshin said, “money is on fire.” They are looking for interesting, promising projects,” while the Prime Minister promised to support Russian investors who buy foreign assets. (see Rossiyskaya Gazeta).

    They are burning money on their thighs, and they want to withdraw money abroad again, investing it in foreign assets, and 60% of the country is on the brink of poverty and survival, with no prospects for a decent life in the future.

    “Everyone goes to the polls against the puppeteer Putin”
    1. zczczc
      0
      18 September 2011 15: 09
      stas, that’s exactly why we don’t need new gas pipelines. If we cannot digest the petrodollars received for internal construction in the country, then we need to reduce trade in hydrocarbons. Why sell goods to the West in order to keep the money there - in the West?
      1. 0
        18 September 2011 15: 53
        Everything is correct, I completely agree.
        To do this, it is necessary to constitutionally remove GDP from power. In 1941, our people were in a more difficult situation, they survived! I am confident that we will survive and win now.

        A positive example from the present. In the early parliamentary elections taking place today on September 18, 2011 in Latvia, the leader is the Harmony Center association, which defends the rights of the Russian-speaking population of the country.

        The main thing is not to give up and not consider yourself prematurely defeated.
        On other social sites, there is a similar anti-Putin polemic. GDP is supported by a significant minority.
  59. Motherland
    0
    18 September 2011 11: 39
    It won’t help even if the whole country votes against it, so United Russia will have 70-60% and the rest will be divided by other parties, elections won’t help here if we’re just talking about a government hanging from a noose on a gallows, or riddled with bursts from a machine gun.
  60. Archer
    +1
    18 September 2011 12: 12
    And what does the tandem not know what the Minister of Defense is doing?
  61. 0
    18 September 2011 12: 42
    The tandem is swaggering
  62. 0
    18 September 2011 13: 12
    Who will listen to these demands? I don't care about them at all. They feed with promises and everyone is happy. Only when the army takes up a weapon and puts the barrel in the face, then they will listen and take action.
  63. fankiller
    +6
    18 September 2011 13: 14
    "Behind!"
    Filyakin Alexander Mikhailovich, born in 1994 Status: student.
    I haven’t attended the service, but I will definitely attend. But, I want to be proud of my Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces and Minister of Defense and serve in a mighty army, better equipped than anyone else in the world. And not to see a disgrace, like 9.05.2011/XNUMX/XNUMX.
    1. 0
      18 September 2011 13: 38
      The urge of a true patriot is fankiller, it’s a pity that your dreams about a mighty army are unlikely to come true. Respect!!!
      1. fankiller
        0
        18 September 2011 13: 45
        Thank you! Everything is in our hands, as they say.
        1. +2
          18 September 2011 14: 02
          That's right, if you really want the door to be opened for you, you need to persistently knock on it.
  64. 0
    18 September 2011 13: 39
    It’s a pity that the GRU and Airborne brigades were trained against an external enemy, but the internal enemy is destroying them, although as soon as a worthy leader appears who can direct their energy in the right direction, this bacchanalia in power will quickly be eliminated, they will not be stopped by the FSO or the FSB.
    It’s interesting whether the comments are recorded by the employees or not... the most offensive thing is that the majority of those gathered here are actually people who love their country...
    but if we all wish, we can be brought under the article for extremism... this is how we live, we tolerate, we tolerate and we tolerate...
  65. Bogatir
    -4
    18 September 2011 15: 14
    It’s funny to watch how the servants think that the Tsar doesn’t know something...
    1. Anatoly
      -1
      27 October 2011 11: 50
      They feed you, apparently very well, since you crap so much.
  66. 0
    18 September 2011 15: 16
    Why is there not a word about this in the news?
    1. +1
      18 September 2011 15: 26
      But in our country, all channels are controlled by the government. Everything is fine in our country. No one wants to show bad news.
  67. prunx
    -22
    18 September 2011 15: 42
    Something I don’t understand why you are all up in arms against Serdyukov. Why does he destroy the army? The one that was before his arrival, with sapper shovels, with the fathers as commanders who stole everything clean? I can tell you that he is not destroying any army, because there is nothing to destroy, everything was destroyed before him. You have poured out the last brains simply from drunkenness. Nobody is going to reanimate the old army, because the patient has long died and stinks. Serdyuk is trying to create a new army, I repeat for the stupid, NEW. Serdyukov is not to blame for anything. Where have you been in 1990, 1996? Bl..yad, ten million ideological fighters, where are you all the stupid goats, I'm asking you !? And now the stinkers groan, smearing their snot: "Down with Serdyukov." Head against the wall is the only way out for you. And comedians generally subscribe: "student, did not serve; salesman, did not serve." We heard the ringing, but we don't know where he is. Well, of course, the only way out is to drop the tandem and everything will work out right away, a good, smart, worthy one will come ... Who? What is the last name! I don’t know who will come, but I’ll say for sure that if he doesn’t ... he will not do it, but if a liberal comes, he will complete what his predecessors did not complete in the 90s! Therefore, terpily unfinished, keep quiet, if you do not want to serve, get out of the army. It's just that with one gyrus another job is hard to find, right? It is better to command schoolchildren, wipe their pants at headquarters, steal and moan, moan and moan under the yoke of tandem. After all, they sat for so many years with their tongue in the ass thrusting, even when in three years of new technology one UAZ entered the unit. And now the jaws were open. I want to say to all the current and retired officers of the Russian Federation who began service before 1990: it is you, and not what Putin and Serdyukov pissed away the army, with your active participation or tacit consent. I want to say to the youth that they would not succumb to the right location, in many respects it depends on you what the new army will be. Nothing happens right away. Everything is created from scratch, so there will be mistakes, the one who does nothing is not mistaken.
    1. fankiller
      +2
      18 September 2011 15: 51
      What did you personally do to prevent the collapse of the army?
    2. +4
      18 September 2011 17: 13
      prinx, didn’t your parents teach you that it’s not nice to be rude? For this they put children in a corner, oh Fedya.
      As for Serdyukov’s liberal capabilities to create a new army from scratch, you clearly exaggerated.
      How can a person who has never commanded a battalion in his life, who previously sold furniture and succeeded in the tax office (with the help of his father-in-law) lead or create a new Russian army, and even from scratch.
      The fact that 4 military districts were created under Serdyukov is not his merit. This was developed back in Soviet times. Then they were called rates (in areas of theater of operations). But the arrival of the marked one did not make it possible to bring everything planned to its logical conclusion.
      And in the words of GDP, in the execution of this plan there was an excess of application on the part of Serdyukov. Breaking is not building.
      Come next time to a rally on Pushkin Square, we will give you the floor, explain to us in more detail how we destroyed the army. Maybe we'll understand you.
      But if we don’t understand, we won’t apologize.
      1. prunx
        -8
        18 September 2011 18: 30
        stas,
        Didn’t your parents teach you as a child that slander is not only not nice, but low and mean? This is the first thing. Secondly, the Minister of Defense deals with organizational, managerial, supply issues and issues of interdepartmental relations; for this it is not necessary to be a military man and it is even harmful. And the General Staff is fighting.
        I remember the Minister of Defense Pasha Grachev - a fool, a man, a paratrooper! And the army simply flourished under him. Thirdly, the army is not created by Serdyukov, but by the Ministry of Defense, which has enough military specialists! But you, with your noticeable little mind, don’t suspect this. You, like a bull, react to a red rag (and to a red button with an arrow pointing down :))) with your miserable idea of ​​​​a real, man-officer-patriot-minister of defense (like Pasha Grachev. How he threatened to destroy Chechnya with two landing regiments , obviously did not consult with the General Staff), who will slap these... what's their name... ah, thieving officers and personally give the putin in the eye; not like a furniture maker. You guessed right?

        PS. Sorry, I can’t come to your rally, and I don’t want to. I don't live in Moscow. I would come with pleasure only if I served in the ranks of the riot police.
        1. +3
          18 September 2011 19: 51
          I didn’t guess, my attitude towards Pasha Mercedes is worse than towards Serdyukov, something can be forgiven for him as not a military specialist, but not for him, he was still a career military man. But for some reason our democrats are satisfied with precisely such defense ministers.
          And about your possible service in the riot police, I didn’t guess again, calling such people to serve in the riot police is the same as giving a drunkard a free bottle of vodka every day so that he stops drinking.
          1. zczczc
            -1
            19 September 2011 22: 12
            stas, and did you notice that he would have come as a riot policeman to put pressure on the officers!
    3. zczczc
      -3
      19 September 2011 22: 07
      prunx, the one that controlled the entire world ocean, could wage 2 global wars and 6 local ones.

      “Serdyuk is trying to create a new army” - he personally is not trying anything, he was given a plan, he works according to it. He is not the author of this plan even by 0.1%.
      1. +2
        19 September 2011 22: 38
        Quote: prunx
        Everything is created from scratch, so there will be mistakes; those who do nothing make no mistakes.


        Vo gave it away... And where do such smart people come from... From scratch, that is...
        That is, before the arrival of this idiot Serdyukov, everything was even worse for us, right? We went with rifles of the 1891/30 model, and we actually saw tanks on TV in the “Serving the Fatherland” program. For general education, so as not to rush at them with a shovel. So what?

        You, my dear, before you rush at people with foam at the mouth, re-read your own posts first. And take a couple of lessons in politeness somewhere. I don’t know why you got the idea that we’ve pissed our brains out here from drunkenness (I guess you can judge by yourself), so it’s not worth measuring everyone here with your yardstick of a frenzied speaker.

        Wow, where were we all... And personally, WHERE WERE YOU, why are you yelling here like a victim? Do you have the right to insult everyone and everything? So it needs to be proven. And then there will be no downsides.

        And pour out your screams somewhere else, at some rally. In support of the same Serdyukov. And be rude right there. And then I would look at your face after such statements. It's not like barking on the Internet with impunity.
      2. -1
        24 September 2011 18: 55
        zczczc.
        There was no plan in 2000 and there is no plan now. The reduction of the Armed Forces was carried out under the pretext of optimizing the number of personnel and the economic (financial feasibility) of maintaining the army and navy. But the main thing, of course, was the reduction in funding for the maintenance of the aircraft.
        The three trillion rubles declared by Putin for reforming the Armed Forces until 2020 raise serious doubts about their implementation in light of the latest known events - the speech of the Chief Military Prosecutor S. Fridinsky, who stated that a third of the funds allocated for the country's defense are stolen from the Ministry of Defense, and clearly corrupt procurement of foreign military equipment supplied by tandem and paramedics. In short, our army and defense industry WILL NOT RECEIVE three trillion. This is as real as the failure of the State Defense Order in 2010, and now in 2011.... The development of the Russian Armed Forces is discussed through the media only in tandem with field furniture for such wretches as prunx.
        As for the officers' appeals to the Supreme Commander, I doubt that he reads them. A similar appeal was sent to him on May 22 of this year. on the formation of "deceived regiments". I think that the time for appeals (demands) has passed. The time has come for pickets, strikes and walkouts.
    4. 12061973
      0
      20 September 2011 23: 54
      I served in the PV 91-93, it was not very good, and not long ago I went to see my nephew in the army, it became much worse. PS. He serves in the PV in the city of Ipatovo, Stavropol Territory, that’s where the border is now.
  68. sergunec
    0
    18 September 2011 15: 49
    I agree, they all eat from the same plate, go...eaters. No one will take anything off. On the other hand, let them see that not everyone gives a fuck...what they do to the army.
  69. +3
    18 September 2011 15: 55
    prunx - before speaking like that, tell us about your exploits to save the army/country/conscience.

    Please let us know how the rally went!
  70. Drevnij
    +1
    18 September 2011 16: 43
    "FOR"...Evgeniy Vladimirovich Panov, private, UVVTU, military unit 44503 94-96...engineer, member of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation...
  71. 916-th
    +9
    18 September 2011 16: 58
    About prunx's comment

    In form: an absolutely unacceptable, impudently aggressive style, designed to provoke the same response, to shift the discussion onto the rails of “That’s who you are! Who are you?” Characteristic of the behavior of a provocateur who invites fire on himself in order to divert attention from the main thing.

    By content:
    - the thesis “they stole everything themselves!” - a sweeping accusation of everyone and everything. As you know, the first one to shout is “Stop the thief!” namely a thief, in order to again divert attention from himself or his accomplices.
    - the thesis “there is nothing more to steal.” And what about the trillions in government defense orders until 2020? So the cat walks around the sour cream, pretending that it does not exist.
    - the thesis “he who does nothing makes no mistakes (about Serdyukov).” Mistakes are different. There are minor errors that do not affect the main thing - the defense capability of the aircraft and their condition. Such mistakes are easily admitted and just as easily forgiven. But there are system errors, the name of which is systematic collapse and degradation. Such mistakes are not recognized by those involved and, accordingly, are not forgiven by others.

    Conclusion: Aren't you an exiled Cossack, prunx, aren't you an ass after this?
    Wash off if you wish.
    1. prunx
      -10
      18 September 2011 17: 53
      916-th,
      "- the thesis “they stole everything themselves!” - a sweeping accusation of everyone and everything. As you know, it is the thief who is the first to shout “Stop the thief!”, in order, again, to divert attention from himself or his accomplices.”
      Damn it, guy, who stole it, Licho Putin or what?
      "- the thesis “there is nothing more to steal.” And the trillion-dollar sums of state defense orders until 2020? So the cat walks around sour cream, pretending that it does not exist.”
      Well, who stole how much and where? So tsits.
      916-th,
      “Such mistakes are not recognized by those involved and, accordingly, are not forgiven by others.”
      Well, from now on, in more detail, where and what kind of collapse!? Empty nonsense.
      916-th,
      "Conclusion: Aren't you an exiled Cossack, prunx, aren't you an ass after this?"
      Oh, you indoor eagle, tell me in fact where I wrote a lie. The sent Cossacks are those who destroyed the army in the nineties, those whom Serdyuk sent into retirement. Although there you have to plant through one. They removed me from the trough and they are screaming about the collapse.
  72. prunx
    -12
    18 September 2011 17: 27
    KuigoroZHIK,
    I completed my military service. I can’t say that I accomplished a feat, I was just subordinate to these “guardians” “for a strong army.” After all, you can’t assign Serdyukov or Putin to every colonel! I fulfilled my civic duty. If you could see our long-term storage fleet... not a single functional unit! In 2001, when bandits attacked Dagestan, there was no one to fight; with difficulty they scraped together about 70 thousand soldiers and officers in all units who were capable of conducting combat operations. And the size of the army was about two million, of which more than 500 were officers. New equipment did not arrive, ships did not sail, planes did not fly, and salaries were not paid. My salary as a sergeant was 000-35 (40-1998) rubles a month, of which I didn’t see a penny, the commanders were criminals and thieves. When Putin came, the situation in the army improved significantly. The year 2000 showed that our army is combat-ready (at least compared to 2008), but it is based on outdated concepts and appearance. That is, it was restored according to the Soviet model. So, if you still have a drop of brains left, then from these facts you can draw the appropriate conclusion: how combat-ready our army was, whether it needed reforms.
    Now give me at least a couple of facts why Serdyukov or Putin should leave!?

    Indoor "patriots" are downvoted, stupid brats...
    1. +4
      19 September 2011 01: 54
      I completely agree with you that after the change from EBN to Putin, the situation improved. This is a fact and you can’t argue against it.

      But there are many "BUTs"....
      1. How can the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation behave this way?
      http://topwar.ru/6812-po-serdyukovu-naruchniki-plachut.html
      2. They haven’t been able to coordinate the government order with our defense industry complex for how long? This is at least a negligent attitude towards one’s direct responsibilities (in reality, the money is spinning and % ends up in other people’s pockets). For this in Soviet times, they were branded an enemy of the people and shot.
      3. Propaganda of Western weapons. How can we fight if most of the spare parts for imported equipment are not produced here? To hell with it, they bought foreign equipment, copied it - produce it here. But no..... It’s easier to constantly purchase.... (the essence, as always, is on the surface - when purchasing overseas, it’s easier to roll back).
      4. Do you want to say that the GDP does not know about corruption in the country? - so why doesn’t it do anything?
      this list can be continued for a long time...
  73. KASKAD
    +1
    18 September 2011 18: 27
    The guys are certainly great, but isn’t it clear that this is as much use as banging your forehead on a concrete wall, this letter will not go anywhere and nothing that you are asking not to happen, I myself went through this, I and many residents of our country asked to legalize Short-barreled rifled weapons in Russia should be given to adequate people to protect themselves and their families, to which Dmitry Anatolyevich, having watched how drunken police colonels shot snow blowers, feeling that they would not bear any responsibility for this, tightened the screws and now not only will short-barreled rifled weapons never be seen in Russia, but They also made the traumatic one so that it was not profitable to purchase it, they cut capacity and banned imports, leaving only crooked new-made Makarychi on the shelves at the price of a Glock.
  74. 916-th
    +6
    18 September 2011 18: 52
    prunx:
    Son, I don’t want to stoop to market squabbles, but I’ll say one thing - when my overcoat was hanging in the barracks, you weren’t even in your parents’ project. This concludes the “who is who” topic. Dot.

    If you want a normal dialogue, change your tone and learn to respect others. Apparently, there is something right about you after all. Don’t let this completely wither away under a layer of rudeness. Rudeness is not an indicator of strength.
  75. fedora
    +3
    18 September 2011 18: 53
    prunx is definitely a provocateur and a troll.
    1. Mesniy
      -5
      18 September 2011 19: 46
      What, since you didn’t like his opinion, does that mean he’s a troll? You don’t take on much? And the fact that in the army theft is UNTHOUGHT from top to bottom, he’s 100 percent right. Including in the airborne forces - the 7th division. Just a couple of years ago EVERYTHING was sold there without any problems! I know from personal experience. And now it’s probably the same.
      1. Nikel
        0
        18 September 2011 21: 01
        Still, the correct saying is “after Senka’s hat.”
        And they steal not only in the army but also in almost all enterprises; we steal from ourselves, some for profit, some out of hopelessness.
        Russia is strong and invincible when we are united as one fist, but now there is no such thing, which is why we are sliding down in disparate parties and ideas about how to live correctly. Everything is going according to plan “...We will create chaos and confusion in the management of the state. We will quietly, but actively and constantly contribute to the tyranny of officials, the prosperity of bribe-takers and unprincipled behavior...”. We, as a single people, were united by an external enemy and a common worldview, I mean Orthodoxy. It seems we have no means against the internal enemy, our own corrupt Judases...
    2. prunx
      -9
      18 September 2011 20: 52
      fedor and all his like-minded people are certainly provocateurs and trolls. The purpose of their publications is: with the help of sweeping slander, lies, insults, distortion of facts, aggressive, negative rhetoric, to influence the audience of site readers who do not understand the essence of these issues, thereby creating an extremely negative, distorted and biased, but nevertheless, a plausible picture of the Russian army and government officials. The ultimate goal of fedor and his associates is the accumulation of a critical mass of discontent among citizens of the Russian Federation and the formation of mass revolutionary sentiments, which should lead to chaos, unrest, civil war and, finally, the resignation of the government and Prime Minister V.V. Putin (See. Libyan scenario). Along with information sabotage, under the code name “stool”, there are a number of information sabotage projects. For example, the Navalny project, an expose of this project can be seen at this link with comments: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_daX5Ym38A&feature=player_embedded. Another project “Magnitsky list” expose: http://www.kurginyan.ru/publ.shtml?cmd=add&cat=4&id=202. Thanks to all.
      1. mar.tira
        +1
        19 September 2011 06: 54
        The guy got into a great fight! So you don't want to change anything?
        1. +1
          19 September 2011 22: 42
          Quote: prunx
          The ultimate goal of fedor and his associates is the accumulation of a critical mass of discontent among citizens of the Russian Federation and the formation of mass revolutionary sentiments, which should lead to chaos, unrest, civil war and, finally, the resignation of the government and Prime Minister V.V. Putin (See. Libyan scenario).


          Well, everything came out. So he would have said: “ah love Putin.” Nice copy-paste, well done. The bucket rules.
  76. Volkhov
    0
    18 September 2011 21: 01
    A sign of child psychology - if a rat's tail is removed, then everything else will be a cute little leopard, will begin to purr and catch mice... The "tail" of Stools in reality corresponds to the whole organism - it is an old ship's animal that is already running away. The army is built for those tasks that are close and understandable to them, and set from the outside. A few of the elite go to Africa for slaughter, a few to help the explosives, the rest with civilian suckers - to the bottom. In other cultures, they are not sure that you need a future, and everything that is possible must be sold - that’s why you are a merchandiser.
  77. Motherland
    -1
    19 September 2011 07: 35
    I already wrote in the comments that there are such creatures who “troll” for EP.
    1. zczczc
      -1
      19 September 2011 22: 06
      Well, there are still those who don’t understand what’s what... personal trust, so to speak...
  78. Miracles
    +1
    19 September 2011 10: 37
    Behind!
    Chudnov Ivan Alexandrovich
    Engineer
    Krasnodar city
  79. 0
    19 September 2011 15: 42
    The guy’s job is like this, on all decent sites he pours out his shit on decent people.
  80. 0
    19 September 2011 18: 16
    This gangster Petersburg got to the very liver!!!
  81. Drevnij
    +6
    19 September 2011 20: 05
    So I’m still waiting for the OFFICERS’ patience to run out?! Comrade officers, understand, YOU are the real power, and you are still suffering humiliation!!! Well, is there really not at least one division in the entire army that will eventually not stand it and, with arms in hand, will begin to restore order in the country... I will immediately join them... And the whole people will join you... IT’S TIME TO KICK OUT FROM THE KREMLIN TRAITORS TO THE HOMELAND!!!
    1. -2
      19 September 2011 21: 53
      We already had it when regiments were withdrawn against the emperor - the Decembrists.
      How did it end?
      There will be no benefit from the withdrawal of the division, other than wasted blood.
      The main task of the army is protection from an external enemy, and not internal squabbles. Russia is not a small African country where colonels can come to power.
      Therefore, I consider such calls to be a PROVOCATION.
      Serdyukov will be removed and the same one will come. Not better. For Serdyukov is a pawn in someone else’s game. And he is not the first violin in army reforms.
      It's about the system. It needs to be changed. But this is no longer the army’s business, but ours.
      Nevertheless, I am FOR!
    2. Anatoly
      -1
      19 September 2011 22: 03
      will be supported by both civil and public opinion! just needs a push.
      In our society it is difficult to accept another system, because there is a danger that the Pindos may be behind this, behind any revolution. But I think everyone will support the military unconditionally.
  82. Malysh
    -1
    19 September 2011 20: 22
    BEHIND! with both hands. The jacket has no place in the leadership of the Armed Forces. The goat doesn’t even know where to stand when the banner is presented.
  83. +3
    19 September 2011 22: 06
    In general, I have some kind of vague feeling of being set up.
    They distract the attention of the Army and society from reality. Look what rubbish this Serdyukov is. And he did this and that. Atta him.
    And while you and I are at our throats, the true culprits of the army-wide chaos and collapse are in the shadows. I wouldn’t be surprised if in a month two Serdyukovs will be relegated to an equally rewarding position. And we will listen with grace to the words of the one who removes and praise and praise him. And with gratitude we will run to the ballot boxes.
    Who served, imagine:
    The deputy regiment commander is destroying the regiment, and the regiment commander silently watches it.
    Everyone is running, screaming, writing reports to the commander - he is silent.
    But when the pressure comes, he can say that the deputy is responsible for the collapse of the regiment. And I'm good. But he is such a scoundrel that he did all this.
    Is the plot fantastic?
    1. +1
      19 September 2011 22: 25
      No, the plot is as real as it gets. Exactly.
      The puppets may be thrown off before the elections in order to raise the political rating, but the puppeteer will remain the same.
      The army against Serdyukov, the teachers against Fursenko....
      And the conclusion is simple - who puts these d...v in these places? There are too many pressing questions... Who can say that Russia has advanced at least in some ways in recent years. So, what in reality, not on the basis of the enthusiastic squeaks of the purchased media?
      And don't tell me about growing GDP figures...
    2. 0
      19 September 2011 22: 46
      Not at all. That's all true, unfortunately.
      The point is different: a big op can lead to such a rearrangement that Serdyukov’s double cannot be delivered. And you will have to look (urgently, hastily) for such a person who would be known in the troops, who would enjoy authority. For example, like Romanov (may he rest in heaven).

      But I’ll be a bastard, I don’t believe that Romanov was the only one like that. There are others too. I believe.
  84. kazanskii
    +4
    19 September 2011 23: 08
    Guys, it seems to me that there are probably no real officers who support Russia in Serdyukov’s entourage. They either filed a report or were sent into retirement. Although Serdyukov is only a puppet, I would like to look at the puppeteer through an optical sight.
    1. +1
      20 September 2011 14: 48
      Can you give me the address? Moscow, Red Square, Kremlin...
      1. Sanzyro
        0
        29 September 2011 12: 38
        You're wrong, Banshee! Washington, White House...
  85. CARTRIDGE
    +1
    20 September 2011 12: 36
    For MedvedoPut, this is another problem: if he doesn’t react in any way, he will be stewing in the same mess with them, if he merges Serdyukov and the policy towards the army does not change, then it will become obvious that this is a purposeful policy for the collapse of the army, something like this...
  86. lokdok
    0
    21 September 2011 12: 39
    Well... When the planes didn’t fly, the soldiers didn’t train, the equipment didn’t arrive, the ships stood still, the missiles were sawed into metal, the conscripts died in the thousands in Chechnya, then you were silent, and as soon as they began to cut back the senior command staff, you suddenly remembered that you OFFICERS. As soon as they started moving away from the feeder, you remembered. So go as sergeants, contract soldiers - or don’t you want to?
    We have too many officers in our army, but for some reason soldiers die in war, and you count your profits...
  87. Malysh
    0
    21 September 2011 13: 22
    What are you lokdok talking about now7 If it’s about that tank officer who, instead of carrying out an order, provided his tank instead of a podium for a speech to a fingerless Jew, then I agree. But there is no need to generalize, I knew people who shot themselves in the early 90s because they could not feed their family and out of shame for the new State. There was almost no one left to fight in Chechnya. Romanov, Troshev, Rokhlin, Budanov - these are OFFICERS and there are not many of them in the army. Have you ever thought that OFFICERS also carry out orders, just look at the news on TV when they give them.
    1. lokdok
      -2
      21 September 2011 15: 25
      MALYSH I mean why all these protests now, when the equipment went to the troops, when the army learned to win, and not then in 95, 98? Maybe because they are laying off the senior officer corps, but they are all our own and ours???
  88. 0
    21 September 2011 17: 12
    What’s surprising in our country is that teachers, doctors and military personnel have been marching in formation to vote for power in recent years, although to tell the truth, there have been positive changes in the last 2 years, in the army we were tormented for 3 hours and rubbed points on who to vote for, and now these same the military against who they were for, why were you silent before....and I don’t even want to write
  89. -2
    21 September 2011 20: 35
    It's clear that this is a dark matter!!! IMHO, but the resignation of Serdyukov will not give anything, even if we appoint another knowledgeable person, he is unlikely to be able to change anything, this or that action comes from opportunity, not desire... what do you think if we remove Serdyukov we will immediately have an army fully equipped and there will be no problems and we will become the strongest and no one will attack us and everyone will be afraid of us? heh heh... but inflating and provocation does not mean good changes, little blood was shed? think what you say...
  90. qwz_qwz
    +2
    22 September 2011 00: 07
    WHICH ONE IS THERE TO CLEAN???!!!! FUCK HIM!!!!! am
  91. sandro
    -2
    22 September 2011 08: 45
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDVaeyFes30
    3:46
  92. 0
    23 September 2011 15: 54
    BEHIND!!!
    Jochim Alexander Viktorovich.
    Student
    village Rudnogorsk.
  93. IAFET.
    0
    29 September 2011 21: 44
    what to do join http://gidepark.ru/user/1273959733/article/427759, this is where the energy and strength and means should be directed..
  94. Malysh
    -1
    1 October 2011 00: 03
    Comrade OFFICERS! I'M NOT GLAD I WENT INTO THE CONVERSATION. But I consider it necessary to report - every ram must lay its own eggs. therefore officers should be commanded by OFFICERS and jackets should be led by jackets. And this is an AXIOM.
  95. oper66
    0
    1 October 2011 00: 08
    Well, change your screensaver
  96. Malysh
    -1
    1 October 2011 01: 15
    oper66 |I didn’t give birth, but my brains are itching and I’m changing.
  97. Vaso
    0
    5 October 2011 22: 20
    I agree, drive him away.
  98. sirToad
    +1
    6 October 2011 16: 58
    Demote the asshole to a private and to a training unit under the supervision of two nannies - a sergeant and a warrant officer. in half a year they will teach you to love your homeland. and if he cries, then two tits on his cheek at once
  99. strictly prohibited
    0
    7 October 2011 16: 32
    BOILING SHIT AND PRE-ELECTION FUCK, TROLL GENTLEMEN TROLL
  100. kesa1111
    +6
    11 October 2011 00: 15
    Serdyuk, Bloody Vovan, False Dmitry can be judged according to the abbreviated program. But first, restore the tower for treason and corruption.