Australia is building a submarine fleet

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Australia is building a submarine fleetRecently, the German publication Spiegel-online reported that German Chancellor Angela Merkel wants to sell the Australian Navy to 12 submarines of the 216 project (Typ 216). A contract worth up to 14 billion euros can provide work for German shipbuilding for years to come.

However, Australia is only conducting a tender for the development and construction of non-nuclear submarines 12. The results of the tender will be announced in June of this year. Yes, and the submarine Typ 216 exists so far only in the form of a project that will still be worked out and improved.

RUN FOR BILLIONS

In December 2011, the Australian Department of Defense announced a tender for the development and supply of 12 new submarines. Invitations to participate in the competition were: French company DCNS, producing submarines of the type "Scorpen"; Spanish Navantia, producing submarines of the project S-80; German HDW (Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft, part of the concern Thyssen Krupp) - submarines of projects Type 212 and Type 214. A little later, the Swedish company Saab and the Japanese Kawasaki Heavy Industries took part in the tender.

The duration of the project is about 30 years. The specific parameters of the project to create new submarines for the Australian Navy have not been determined. It was only planned to start replacing the 6 underwater Collins-type diesel submarines with new ones starting with the 2025 year. The service life of new submarines is defined up to 2070 year, that is, in 30 – 40 years.

It is clear that in their construction the most advanced technologies should be used so that the boats retain their combat effectiveness for such a long time. In addition, Australia based its bid on the SEA 1000 program, which planned the construction of submarines in the country.

In this regard, it is worth quoting the words of the Minister of Material Support of the Armed Forces of Australia, Jason Clare: “Foreign companies have some important knowledge, we should get others on our own. The time has come to develop a plan that will enable us to gain the skills necessary for the development and construction of submarines. ”

From this it follows directly that Australia would itself like to master the production of the newest submarines. And it can be decisive in summing up the tender. However, in this case, the cost of ships increases significantly. Creating production from scratch, mastering new technologies, hiring highly qualified personnel, purchasing and delivering materials and components across the entire planet - this is also an extension of the construction time, which also increases the cost of the finished product.

While the construction of 12 submarines in the shipyards of a shipbuilding company abroad may not exceed 20 billion dollars, the same construction in Australia may cost 30 – 80 billion dollars. Here, experts somewhat differ in estimates, but the minimum expenditures in 30 billion dollars is close to the budgeted cost in 37 billion Australian dollars. The entire rearmament program of the Ministry of Defense of Australia, launched in 2009, is estimated at 70 billion. These funds are planned to be spent over 20 years for the creation and purchase of new equipment for the Ground Forces, Air Force and Navy.

Construction of new submarines on the SEA 1000 project was planned to begin in the 2017 year, and the first such ship to adopt in the 2025 year. At the same time, it was not planned to extend the service life of Collins-type ships ending in 2024 – 2031.

TRADE UNIONS AGAINST

In April, 2014, Australian Defense Minister David Johnston, stated that the Japanese Soryu-type submarines most fully meet the requirements of the military. At the same time, he noted that the Australian industry is most interested in obtaining Japanese transmission technology.

In July, 2014, it became known that Australia and Japan signed an agreement on enhanced military-technical cooperation, under which countries will be able to exchange various military technologies. First of all, it was about cooperation in the development of submarines, especially the propulsion system and transmission.

Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott said that the decision to purchase ships to replace the Collins-type submarines will be made on the basis of cost, technical capabilities and regional policy. But at the same time, the government was inclined to acquire Japanese submarines of the type “Soryu” from 8 to 10, and also to build 2 – 4 in Australia. According to some reports, the cost of production of 10 Japanese submarines could be about 20 billion Australian dollars (18,3 billion dollars. USA). The cost of all 12 submarines if built in Japan would not exceed 25 billion Australian dollars. And although confirmation of these plans did not follow, the Australian opposition announced that if they came to power during the 2016 elections, they would terminate the contract with Japan.

In previous elections, the conservatives now in power in Australia promised that all 12 submarines would be built at shipyards in South Australia, but using Japanese technology and with the help of Japan. It was about the same "super quiet" diesel-electric submarines of the class "Soryu" with a displacement of more than 4000 tons.

Meanwhile, the German company Thyssen Krupp Marine Systems has offered Australia a supply of 12 Type 2016 submarines. This project is trying to lobby Chancellor Angela Merkel.

But in the way of Frau Merkel are the Australian business and trade unions. Opposition leader Bill Shorten said that building combat submarines outside of Australia "is an irresponsible step endangering the security of our country as a naval power."

According to the owners of the shipbuilding business, the transfer of orders abroad will provoke a chain of bankruptcies in shipbuilding and related industries. Paul Bastian, president of the trade union of employees in the manufacturing industry, said: “I think that thousands of jobs will be at risk.”

The underwater displacement of the “Soryu” type ships is 4,2 thousand tons with a length of 84 and a width of 9,1 m. These ships are equipped with Kawasaki 12V 25 / 25 SB diesel-electric powerplants and Kawasaki Kockums V4-XNUM-XN Stirling engines joint-service joint V275-20 joint maintenance. "Litter" capable of speeding up to 6,1 nodes, and their range is XNUMX thousand miles.

TRAILER ALL MORE

In the Asia-Pacific region (APR), most states are rapidly building up their naval forces, especially the underwater component. China has become the leader and main engine of this submarine race. The American research group "Jaynes" (IHS Jane's), relying mainly on satellite imagery data, estimates the size of the PLA Navy in four submarines, five nuclear submarines (PLAT) and 53 diesel-electric submarines (DEPL).

In December, a photo of the upgraded version of the 2013 submarine Yuan (Yuan) appeared on the Internet in December, the People's Republic of China officially recognized its production by the Chinese State Shipbuilding Corporation CSSC (ChinaStateShipbuilding Corporation). The photo shows only the cabin, resembling the configuration of the cutting of modern German submarines. Displacement of diesel-electric submarines experts estimated the maximum in 041 thousand tons.

In response to the Chinese threat, the United States intends to deploy about 5% of its navy in the Pacific in the coming 6 – 60 years, including new-built ships and at least four nuclear submarines.

Japan’s defense program, adopted in 2011, provides for an increase in the number of submarines from 16 to 22. Replenishment is due to the construction of the diesel engine diesel generator set “Soryu” with a displacement of 2,9 thousand tons. The boats are equipped with an air-independent power plant 4V-275R MK-III manufactured by Kawasaki (Kawasaki). The pace of construction should make the boat 1 a year.

Another US ally - South Korea implements a large submarine construction program fleetconsisting of three stages. In 2009-2010, the Navy received 9 submarines of project 209/1200. The second stage, that is, at present, is the licensed construction of submarines of the German project 214 of the development of the Howaldtswerke-DeutscheWerft (HDW). Three such submarines have already been built and transferred to the Navy. It is planned to build six more submarines of this type, but already several modernized ones.

In the Republic of Korea itself, the KSS-III submarine is being developed, equipped with Hyunmoo-3 cruise missiles (Hyunmoo-3). The control system for this diesel-electric submarine is being developed by Samsung Thales. After 2020, the third stage of the construction of the submarine fleet will begin - the production of 9 submarines KSS-III.

Now in the Navy of the Republic of Korea is in service with 14 submarines. 12 of them are German diesel submarines type 209 and 214. Plus 2 small boats designed and built in Korea.

As part of the Singapore Navy, there were only four Challenger submarines of the Swedish project A12 built at the end of the 1960s. However, in 2005, two more modern boats of the type Vеstergоtland of the project A17 built by 1990 were bought in Sweden. They were upgraded in the shipyards of Sweden and equipped with air-independent power plants based on Stirling engines. The Singapore Navy entered the 2011 – 2012 years. Here they received a new name - the type "Archer" (Archer).

The Singapore Ministry of Defense 2 December 2013 of the year announced the conclusion of a contract with the German association Thyssen Krupp Marine Systems (TKMS) to build two non-nuclear submarines of the new project 218SG. It is assumed that these are modernized boats of the export project 214, modified according to the conditions of the customer. As part of the Navy, they must enter the 2020 year, after which all Challenger submarines will be finally written off.

The Myanmar Navy acquired two French-Spanish submarines of the Scorpen (Scorpen) type. However, during the operation, it was found that the cost of their service for the first five years amounted to about two-thirds of the contract amount. For this reason, the further development of the submarine forces of Myanmar has been suspended.

Indonesia intends to bring its submarine fleet to 12 submarines, focusing on its own production. However, now the South Korean company Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME) is building three 209 / 1200 submarines for Indonesia. By the way, the first export order for submarines of the Republic of Korea. By 2018, Indonesia intends to build its own submarine with PT PAL in collaboration with the Korean DSME. Indonesia already has two submarines of its own construction.

Vietnam in December 2009 ordered six Russian submarines of the 636.1 project (“Varshavyanka”) worth about 2 billion USD. Two submarines have already become part of the Navy of the country. The completion of the contract is scheduled for 2016 year. Submarines are equipped with the ZM-14E cruise missiles of the Club-S complex (Club-S) to destroy ground targets. With the help of Russia, a specialized submarine base is being built in Cam Ranh Bay.

Indian submarine forces include 17 submarines. It would be more, but the accident rate is too high. These are mainly ships of Russian and German construction. Expected replenishment of six Spanish submarines class "Scorpins". In the future, six submarines of the 75I project will be built on the basis of an overseas project, which will be selected during the tender. Three of them will be built by the state-owned company Mazagon Dock Limited. Another one is another state-owned company Hindustan Shipyard. French DCNS, Spanish Navantia, Russian Central Design Bureau MT Rubin and German HDW were invited to participate in the tender. Submarines project 75I should be equipped with supersonic Indian-Russian cruise missiles "BrahMos" (BraMos).

10 August 2013 launched the reactor of the first submarine of the Indian development "Arihant" (Arihant). The construction of the second national submarine. Meanwhile, India leased a 10U Russian submarine for 971 years, which received the designation Chakra (Chakra) as part of the Indian Navy. Negotiations are underway to lease another Russian submarine. It is assumed that we are talking about the completion of the submarine "Irbis".

The Pakistani Navy has a total of five submarines: two “Agosta-70” type submarines built by 1979 – 1980 and three types “Agosta-90”. One of them was built in France in 1999, two in Pakistan in 2002 and 2006. Armed PKR "Exochet."

The number of Iranian submarine fleet looks impressive - 31 boat. But only three of them are the Russian project 877EKM (“Kilo”), built in 1992, 1993 and 1997. And the rest are mini-submarines of their own construction with a displacement of up to 120 t and 4 mini-boats manufactured by the DPRK of the Yugo project, received as payment of government debt.
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  1. -24
    7 February 2015 06: 55
    Interestingly, and what kind of shishi Australia will buy scumbags? Fascist Australia will appear. One consolation, there will be loved Chinese components, and they will do their job! It is hard to imagine that Kinguru has its own submarine fleet.
    1. jjj
      +1
      7 February 2015 07: 27
      Well, now our boats in the region are required to balance
      1. +5
        7 February 2015 14: 17
        Quote: jjj
        Well, now our boats in the region are required to balance
        Only if they have VNEU. India, in anticipation of them, hung up a tender for 75i. Hindus, by the way, do not buy weapons and military equipment that are not adopted by the armed forces of the exporting country. In this regard, the approach of Abbot’s cabinet to this problem is striking. There are no 216 submarines on paper yet, and the Australians are ready to buy them. "In as you want, it doesn't bother" (c)
      2. +2
        7 February 2015 15: 59
        Quote: jjj
        Well, now our boats in the region are required to balance

        If you are talking about the waters of the Australian mainland? then it’s more convenient to operate our multi-purpose submarines. Diesel will probably be too far away? Taking fuel from our tankers means discovering our own presence.
        The states have completely relied on nuclear powered ships and successfully (sadly have to admit it) control all the ocean and sea spaces! And their bases around the world are not measured.
        1. ACKiPaPa,
          +1
          7 February 2015 16: 30
          Well, now our boats in the region are required to balance

          Dear Arberes, I suspect that I meant DPL for sale.
          1. +1
            7 February 2015 17: 26
            Quote: ACCiPaPa,
            Dear Arberes

            Mutually! hi
            Quote: ACCiPaPa,
            I suspect that they meant DPL for sale.

            Well, if so, then I can only apologize for the misunderstanding! what
    2. Wick
      +11
      7 February 2015 07: 49
      Does fascism seem to you everywhere?
      1. +1
        7 February 2015 11: 31
        Quote: Wick
        Does fascism seem to you everywhere?

        No, it does not seem. Let me remind you that after the defeat of Nazi Germany, flows of refugees went to Australia. Gradually they settled there, gained significant influence through their politicians. At the moment, they help Ukraine with everything they can in the fight against New Russia. Much has been written about this in VO.
        1. ACKiPaPa,
          +3
          7 February 2015 15: 22
          On their respected Threonine, on their own. Australia is not a banana power.
          At the expense of the Nazis: many settled there, for example, the Russian diaspora, after the revolution. So in Venezuela and Brazil a bunch of fascists escaped, is there also an anti-Russian regime? The latter is generally a member of the BRICS, as well as South Africa, but, this is a special plan of neo-Nazis, sticks in the wheels for us to insert, so to speak, to destroy from the inside.
          Chinese spare parts are also an old bogey, our businessmen would buy a normal factory "China", and not a penny guano (specially, "only for Russians") and everything worked, by the way, look at the nameplates on household appliances at home (not gray) and it’s not breaks down.
          1. 0
            7 February 2015 22: 57
            Quote: ACCiPaPa,
            At the expense of the Nazis: many settled there, for example, the Russian diaspora, after the revolution. So in Venezuela and Brazil a bunch of fascists escaped, is there also an anti-Russian regime? The latter is generally a member of the BRICS, as well as South Africa, but, this is a special plan of neo-Nazis, sticks in the wheels for us to insert, so to speak, to destroy from the inside.
            Chinese spare parts are also an old bogey, our businessmen would buy a normal factory "China", and not a penny guano (specially, "only for Russians") and everything worked, by the way, look at the nameplates on household appliances at home (not gray) and it’s not breaks down.

            The majority of the Russian diaspora is "Harbin" if "gastric" is not taken from the 80s, but the Ukrainian diaspora "according to the ancient" will also be statements on Australian radio in support of the USSR in 41st and collecting donations (for the same reason, Denikin supported the Red Army and Krasnov reached the gallows see the country of immigration) that's just immigrated in the pre-revolutionary wave, i.e. this is not their revolution, absolutely certain Ukrainians, from a certain country, after the change in the policy of the allies towards the USSR, they began to shove relatives from Poland and the USSR. And so Australia is a developed capitalist country, it used to build submarines itself, our felt boots made of Australian wool are the best , though beef is still more expensive than ours, milk, wine (of inexpensive brands) is cheaper. The only thing is that they don't care about us, the French, Germans don't care, but they don't, either because of Abot, or because of - for "Boeing", or because of the diaspora (Australia is larger than Sweden, but less than Romania, in terms of population) We arrived at the funeral of a relative to a friend's "stomach", offered to help from the plane with a residence permit and with accommodation at first. They say the Australian zomboyaschik works for everything, and the descendants of the natives of Austria-Hungary switched to English with the Russians, their friend politely sent them, and they themselves looked around a little calmed down, flew back.
            1. ACKiPaPa,
              0
              8 February 2015 00: 20
              UNFAMILIAR hi thanks for the help.
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        3. +1
          8 February 2015 18: 41
          Quote: tronin.maxim
          Let me remind you that after the defeat of Nazi Germany, refugee flows went to Australia

          The Italians were fascists. The Germans were National Socialists
    3. +1
      7 February 2015 11: 52
      You have a checkbox "born in the USSR" and you are clearly not writing in Russian! This was not taught in the USSR. Change the box, young man!
    4. +8
      7 February 2015 12: 15
      Naebulin in the summer, for a couple of months 100bn. distributed to friends. 40 Mistrals, 30 of our nuclear submarines, 10 American nuclear-powered aircraft carriers, three Australian programs for building the latest submarines with the creation of industry and training personnel, I don’t give a damn, you’ll think some pennies for me too, and Dyadyavyova said that it’s okay. But the most interesting thing is that for one billion from the Mistrals, the toad strangles as much as no one can eat.
    5. -2
      7 February 2015 17: 52
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      that kinguru has its own submarine fleet.

      I would also like to participate in the tender for the construction of the Australian Submarine Fleet. I offer prices below competitors. This is the product for the Australian Kangaroo.
      Seriously, somehow there is little information in the article about the Australian fleet, and indeed we know very little about its army and navy. Where and how are submariners trained in Australia? Who, and what is the quality of both specialists and boats?
      1. ACKiPaPa,
        0
        8 February 2015 00: 10
        Such a unit for the assault on Constantinople, but I suggest you advertise laughingHere is the product hmm, kangaroo
    6. w23gdgd
      0
      8 February 2015 01: 01
      I want to give one piece of advice! I tried everything I could, but nothing helped, until I read about this method. A week later he scored what a cigarette is, I advise everyone. Everything is correctly described here http://nosov-dima.blogspot.com
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    9. +1
      8 February 2015 18: 46
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Interestingly, and what kind of shishi Australia will buy scumbags?

      Australia has a lot of "shisha"
      Australia's GDP per capita population in 2012 year amounted to $ 44 (World Bank estimate), this ninth place in the world and second among major states (after the USA).


      And representative polls show that 84% of Australians experience far more positive emotions than negative daily.
      Why should they be sad? There is no war, the weather is good, inflation is causing a smile



      Commodity export provides 20% of the country's GDP. In particular, 70% of agricultural products - milk, meat and other goods are sold abroad. 80% of the minerals Australia is so rich in is also exported.

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      T.ch. they definitely have enough for submarines
  2. DUMYCH
    +7
    7 February 2015 06: 58
    Beautiful and extraordinary, by nature, the country of Australia, guys. There are enough Russians there. Good-natured people and already stupid politicians. It was nice to be there, a long time ago. In Sydney. Nothing town. But our ships made a rustle there in 92. It seems ours are not rude. And they greeted us, excellent. I was just in the group of "tourists" ... And nobody threatens the country, nobody pours terrorism on them, nobody gives them ultimatums, but they shkher under the Americans. But in vain! They can that -What resorts to do-baba do not cry! The coast is just stunned! And the submarines are from "whatever the child is not amused ..."! By the way! Perth, I liked it more!
    1. +2
      7 February 2015 07: 05
      And resorts for whom? We don’t have enough money to fly from central Russia.
      1. DUMYCH
        0
        7 February 2015 07: 38
        And resorts for whom? We don’t have enough money to fly from central Russia.Not so expensive. On the Transaero-ticket 75 rubles. On the ship-172. On the Tu-160-free.
        1. ACKiPaPa,
          +1
          7 February 2015 15: 30
          Tu-160-free

          good Yes, it would be nice, if only the NATO all visited them, they reminded them that our ball, not only USA, belongs to Russia, it has long arms, you won’t sit in the other hemisphere. soldier
      2. +1
        7 February 2015 13: 36
        Quote: Tima
        And resorts for whom?

        For amerovskih marines. Let me remind you that the States in 2014 achieved the agreement of the Australian government (GB dominion!) To deploy 1700 marines and build a new base there to accommodate them.
        1. 0
          8 February 2015 20: 41
          the deployment of 1700 marines and the construction of a new base there to accommodate them. ,,
          obviously teeth grind on Antarctica.
  3. +10
    7 February 2015 07: 20
    The Australian government’s weapons program was adopted simply gigantic; money for it is being squeezed out of the people with terrible force. These huge and, according to experts, completely unnecessary costs worry many even in the ruling liberal party itself (you have to borrow money partly abroad, and the debts are already higher than the roof) and it seems that the last bell for Prime Minister Tony Abbot, bastard with big ears, has already rung. The members of the same party announced a vote of no confidence the other day, on Tuesday, February 10, the last meeting will take place at which he is likely to say goodbye to the prime minister’s chair. And rightly so.
    1. +1
      7 February 2015 13: 31
      In-in! It would be better if "our" "Mistrals" were bought from the French. And we feel good (money), and Australia seems to be armed. wassat
  4. +1
    7 February 2015 07: 41
    the country is rich, especially in uranium, and what natural resources are hidden in the 200-mile zone of the coast. An island country must have well-armed navy, especially if modernization of submarines gives thousands of jobs. but foreign policy, with an eye on the United States, wants to be better.
  5. DUMYCH
    +3
    7 February 2015 07: 43
    Uncle Kolya Drozdov comes to us every year to Lake Baikal. Cool man! And everyone needs to watch the video.
  6. +1
    7 February 2015 08: 22
    Well, then these are jerking !? They live like on another planet, for no one needs anyone, no problem hunting for crocodiles and a kangaroo, no, they needed to buy from mattresses f 35, they have enough tanks on the island. I don’t understand, live for your own pleasure, but no, the natives need brutality.
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    2. +2
      8 February 2015 19: 12
      Quote: almost demobilized
      Well, then these are jerking !? They live like on another planet, for no one needs anyone, no problems

      Are you kidding (poor Australians) or not in the know?
      1.Australia entered the First World War (start 28 July 1914) - August 4 1914 years, declaring war on Germany.
      German New Guinea was occupied by Australia 17 September 1914
      HMAS Sydney (1912) - Destroyed German cruiser SMS Emden (1908) during the Battle of Cocos Islands
      After the war, Australia received a mandate for German New Guinea, the northern part of the Solomon Islands and the Bismarck archipelago.


      Anzac Day - national holiday of Australia and New Zealand
      2. Australia declared war on Germany on 3 of September 1939 of the year, thereby entering World War II (start: 1 of September 1939).
      Within the British Commonwealth of Nations, she fought against Germany and Italy in Europe and North Africa. In alliance with the United States and Great Britain took part in hostilities against Japan
      The city of Broome, Western Australia, was attacked by Japanese aircraft 3 March 1942 year.
      Japanese Navy attack on Sydney Harbor at 1942

      Then there were:
      War in Malaya
      -Korean war
      -Vietnam war
      -Indonesian-Malaysian confrontation


      3.The battle for Antarctica is expected
      1. +1
        9 February 2015 04: 41
        Quote: opus
        Are you kidding (poor Australians) or not in the know?

        So what am I talking about? The thing is again in this damned England, Australia is an eternal vassal, not in vain and the corresponding flag. They themselves might not have twitched.
  7. +3
    7 February 2015 08: 23
    Shaw, again ?! wassat
    Dancing with Swedish Kokums taught nothing? And the fact that the Germans had a hand in Australian problems with their boats, is that how? A new rake dance, it turns out ......
  8. +3
    7 February 2015 09: 18
    The normal desire of any country is to defend its borders. Develop your production, acquire technology, and not finished products, what's wrong with that? Australians are stupid people, they are going to build boats at home, well, stupid. Here are our leaders, led by presidents and prime ministers, the most intelligent. swelled billions in the purchase of the Mistral. and where are these billions now? But about the Sterlings and Ericksons, the information really deserves attention. The characteristics of these engines are very outstanding. The Swedes, the Japanese have already put on stream the production of these engines. The Germans are preparing for production. Americans are trying to create Erickson for cars. We have peace and quiet, God's grace.
    1. ACKiPaPa,
      +1
      7 February 2015 15: 38
      We have peace and quiet, God's grace.

      In vain you are so, for the "frets" with might and main they sculpt an anaerobic installation, it is also planned to put it on the modernized "Warsaw women".
  9. +3
    7 February 2015 09: 23
    I would like our authorities to pay attention to the growth of the military potential of the APR countries, especially those not friendly to us like Australia. A program is needed to strengthen the Pacific Fleet, otherwise we will not be taken seriously in Asia.
    1. +7
      7 February 2015 09: 44
      I don’t think Australia is such an unfriendly country. At least its people are in a very good mood towards Russia. The problem is that about a year ago the Liberal Party (an analogue of the American Republican Party) came to power. This is the party of the rich, the party of conservatives who consider themselves part of the Anglo-Saxon world (read America). Liberals blindly follow her course, being essentially puppets. ((
  10. +3
    7 February 2015 11: 50
    Australia, like Japan, is an "unsinkable aircraft carrier" for the United States, the states simply impose on these countries a mandatory purchase of weapons, a kind of warehouse. After all, in the event of a war in that region, these funds will be very useful for mattresses and Co.! After all, in that region, the main threat for the states is China here they are armed against him!
    1. 0
      7 February 2015 21: 35
      If not mistaken, the United States, Australia and New Zealand have a collective security treaty. But with restrictions, for example, New Zealand banned American ships and nuclear-powered submarines from mooring in their ports.
      1. +2
        8 February 2015 02: 49
        For some reason, our people are buying into the primitive propaganda that Australia is some kind of super-peace country - in fact, Australia is part of the English empire - it's just a piece of England

        It is the first ally of the United States and England, like Canada and New Zealand - the foundation of the English world

        in the forefront, along with the usa and england, they bomb all the rebels, landed in vietnam korea, etc. takes part in all the aggressions of the usa around the world

        I was just ridiculous to watch their science fiction film about the 3 world - where it seems like radiation everywhere and the last oasis in Australia - they didn’t get hit by a nuclear strike - a complete lie and naivety - in the days of the Soviet Union, Australia would be at gunpoint and I’m sure now
        1. gjv
          0
          13 February 2015 17: 40
          Quote: Talgat
          in fact, Australia is part of the English Empire - just a piece of England

          Exactly, Queen Elizabeth II is the British monarch leading the Union of Australia. Political events and course are ensuing.
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  11. -3
    7 February 2015 12: 28
    Submarines for Australia? Soon Trinidat and Tobago will buy submarines in batches.
    Nepal and Luxembourg will catch up there.
    Civilization is completely wild.
    Russians and Ukrainians accustomed to blood - we must move on!
    1. +4
      7 February 2015 13: 59
      Quote: Dan Slav
      Submarines for Australia? Soon Trinidat and Tobago will buy submarines in batches. There Nepal and Luxembourg will catch up.
      Glory! Laurels of Jennifer (which Psaki) do not give rest !?
      You, with your submarines in "Nepal and Luxemburg" (against "6th Fleet to Belarus") - you can't beat it! The palm is busy!
      But she is forgivable: it’s bad with geography, but you are “born in the USSR!” - I could have looked at the world map ... laughing
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    3. +1
      8 February 2015 19: 58
      Quote: Dan Slav
      Submarines for Australia? Soon Trinidat and Tobago will buy submarines in batches.

      ?
      NUSHIP Canberra LHD (Landing Helicopter Dock)

      2014. Keel laid second Hobart air defense destroyer

      Australian Navy universal landing ship - Ocean Shield was admitted to the Navy in June 2012

      HMAS Perth +. New hmas perth


      Collins class submarine

      Royal Australian Navy is by no means weak
  12. 0
    7 February 2015 13: 19
    Yes ... the article is almost completely sucked from the finger. Although quite common for HBO. I learned a lot from it. Especially about the fact that Scorpene appeared already in Myanmar (where and how it got there are mysteries of history and the universe). The fact that 218 SG is a recycling 214 also learned for the first time. Although any boats can always be tied to anything. About the fact that Japanese anaerobes on Japanese boats also learned for the first time .... Until now, I was sure that they were Swedish-made and delivered to Japan for the final screwdriver assembly. And it turned out how it turned out - they turned out to be of Japanese manufacture. Miracles, and only. The fact that the Indonesian boats of project 209 are boats of an Indonesian construction also did not know until now. Until today, it was believed that they were built in Kiel to Germany. Interesting - and the one who dragged her here at all even read the article itself? Or the fact that it was printed in IEE was enough to determine its reliability?
  13. +1
    7 February 2015 13: 23
    happy for the Australians, did not even know that they did not have submarines.
    1. ACKiPaPa,
      0
      7 February 2015 15: 43
      Yes: type "Collins" part built in Australia under license, Swedish project.
      By the way, she is in the photo.
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    3. +1
      8 February 2015 20: 06
      Quote: ovod84
      he didn’t know that they did not have submarines.


      as many as 6 pieces ( Collins, Farncomb, Waller, Dechaineux , Sheean, Rankin)

      and before that were like "Oberon"
      You will be surprised, but they also had a FULL CARRIER
      Multipurpose aircraft carrier "Melbourne" (English-built type "Majestic")

      (USS Midway in the background)
      =====================
      Australia celebrates the 100 anniversary of the fleet (2013). 17 countries warships gathered in Sydney Harbor. The celebration began on October 4 with an international naval parade, in which 20 warships from 17 countries of the world, including the USA, Great Britain, France, China, Japan, India, Singapore, New Zealand and other

      Prince Harry in Sydney with Governor General Quentin Bryce aboard Leeuwin
  14. +6
    7 February 2015 15: 07
    To begin with, the Australian Navy has had submarines since the 2 World War. There they are now, the Collins class. The boats are quite modern, but Australia’s attempt to mold the boats using components and software from different countries played a bad joke with these boats. As a result, all 8 of the current submarines are practically unworkable. Having figured out what to do p / l at home is the same as throwing millions of bucks into the sea, Australia is trying to get them over the hill and has already laid eyes on the submarines of its former enemy of Japan, equipped with non-volatile power plants. Naturally, the workers of the Australian shipbuilding industry rebelled against this, which with such an order loses hundreds of jobs with all the ensuing consequences for the economy of this country. Those. the customer (Navy) wants to get something capable of fighting for the money allocated for the purchase of P / L, and the workers don’t care about the final result. They would have to earn their own money and fall into a pub for a beer. The unions have the same goal. In general, the discussion on this topic in Australia is serious, and in the meantime, the Germans are offering their services.
    Why Australia submarine? And so that in the event of a conflict with neighbors (China, Indonesia), there would be something to protect the ways of transporting fuel from Singapore to Australia If these routes are cut, Australia is practically without oil and gasoline, because Australia has too little oil to cover all the needs of its economy. In terms of foreign policy in Australia, too, not everything is clear because on the one hand, she would like to be independent of her elder brother, the USA, and on the other, she understands that if something happens she would not be able to do without this brother. And the loud statements of Australian politicians about Ukraine also should not be paid special attention. All these statements are made for the general public to show this public that the death of Australian citizens in a Malaysian Boeing shot down over Ukraine is under the scrutiny of the government and it won’t leave this business like that. Those. the steam went off the whistle and they begin to forget about it a little.
    With the help of Ukraine, Australia is not in a hurry either. She and without her have someone to help. There are more than two parasites in the world.
    Are there Nazis in Australia? Of course there is. How without them? But they do not have a significant impact on people's mindsets. They rustle themselves quietly along the alleyways. Here, radical Muslims there become a disaster. They were once allowed to immigrate to Australia, like many others, but if the rest tried to adapt somehow to the country that hosted them, then Muslims are trying to adapt Australia to themselves. What will come of this is unknown, but it is clear that nothing good can come of it.
    And the last / How do I know? I report. After retiring, he bothered to work for several years in Australia on a contract basis. I installed traffic control systems on the Australian freeways.
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    2. +1
      8 February 2015 20: 25
      Quote: gregor6549
      To begin with, the Australian Navy has had submarines since the 2 World War.

      with 1 World


      HMAS AE2 is an Australian Navy diesel-electric submarine of type E. Together with the HMAS of the same type, AE1 became one of the first Australian Navy submarines.

      TTX

      Surface displacement 652 t (622 t starting with E9)
      Underwater displacement 795 t (807 t starting with E9)
      Length: 55 m
      Width: 6,86 m
      Speed: 15 / 10 knots
      Operating immersion depth approx. 60 m
      Crew 35
      Power point:
      Diesel-electric, twin-shaft, 2 diesel, 1750 l. S., 2 propeller motors, 550 l. with.
      Torpedo armament: 4 × 457-mm TA (1 bow, 2 amidships, 1 stern)

      This submarine became the first in the world that passed half the planet, and the first boat to pass through the narrow strait of the Dardanelles

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      Historical Trek Under the Command of Henry Stocker
  15. 0
    7 February 2015 15: 46
    The construction of the Navy is expensive and not necessary for defense. And what is modern Australia is a British colony and without the permission of the queen they will not even make an extra cartridge. Why and why they need a fleet.
    1. ACKiPaPa,
      0
      7 February 2015 16: 21
      The construction of the Navy is self-sufficiency, an opportunity to represent the interests of your country anywhere in the world!
  16. +1
    7 February 2015 15: 48
    If we take into account that Australia is an under-continent surrounded on all sides by the seas, then it seems to them that a balanced fleet (with the presence of submarines) seems to be laid by nature itself. On the other hand, and who needs them until they come up with impudent statements in unison with the metropolis?
    New Zealanders and Tasmanians would also like to get hold of two pieces each (this is solid, in the end). There is no money for all this as the first, so the second, and the third.
    PS If anything, then I know that there is no Tasmanian country (But there is an island with those craving separatism, and with it boats and battleships and cruisers islanders!).
  17. 0
    7 February 2015 15: 52
    It is not normal that Japan and Russia still have not concluded a peace treaty. I am determined to continue to work hard in this direction ... in full accordance with the main political course of the government on this issue ... and sign a peace treaty with Russia, "Abe told reporters in Tokyo. Why did they so want to do this abruptly because there is a scenario of clashes with China. And so that in the event of an aggravation of the situation, we remain observers. And again, the question is why Australia needs a fleet, what tasks is it going to solve, and so on.
  18. 0
    7 February 2015 16: 02
    Kangaroos will be hunted.
    Australisch Holdaten und der official)))
  19. ACKiPaPa,
    +1
    7 February 2015 16: 14
    A little surprised. Either the author is not in the subject, or where ...
    Collins DPL
    In total, from 1990 to 2003, six submarines of this type were built at the state shipyard in Adelaide, partly from sections of the hull made in Sweden.

    Australia generally traditionally tries to establish production on its territory - however, import substitution. So, the requirement to maximize the technique at home is the standard of their tenders.
    Given the foregoing in the quote, I conclude: both Australians have the power and personnel, the rest is most likely their internal undercover games.

    Regarding the fact that the region is arming itself, it is logical. There is money one buys new equipment, the neighbors immediately begin to feel uncomfortable. Arms race however! At the same time, do not forget about the heap of territorial and other claims between the Asia-Pacific countries.
    1. 0
      8 February 2015 07: 25
      Australia has capacities, but the staff is not so simple, because permanent staff in the Australian shipbuilding industry can be counted on the fingers and this permanent staff is mainly involved in the preparation of tender documents. Now, if the tender is won, then the recruitment of specialists begins. And there’s nowhere to take them especially since Specialists do not sit and do not wait when they are called and get other jobs, even if these works do not quite correspond to this specialization. Again, if there is a special in Melbourne, he will not always want or will be able to go for a couple of years to the same Adelaide where these submarines are being built. Yes, and not all specialists will be allowed to engage in the construction of p / l. There, as in Russia, access is required and not everyone is given it. In general, not everything is so simple there with shipbuilding and not only with it.
  20. -1
    8 February 2015 19: 17
    I wonder why Austria needs submarines? laughing
  21. +1
    8 February 2015 20: 15
    Australia is building a submarine fleet

    Most likely they will choose the Japanese:
    1. Painfully Alright SS Soryu (Sōryū (SS-501)) Class Submarines, Japan





    2.Logistics
    from Australia to Germany as far as Mars, and Japan is close by

    3.Characteristics will satisfy any claim to date
  22. Chetlander
    +1
    12 February 2015 22: 06
    It is clear that he is building against Russian ships that recently stood off its coast. One can only answer with modern technologies, that is, underwater drones that are located on nuclear submarines.
  23. Zambras
    0
    4 March 2015 00: 05
    All the time I thought that Australia was a safe haven for world puppeteers. Then why shine it?

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