From sonars submarine can hide the "bubble" coating

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To shelter a submarine from sonar, an anechoic coating is often used. As a rule, it is a porous rubber plate, about 2,5 thickness, see. However, 10 years ago, scientists hypothesized that this effect can be achieved with a much thinner layer, especially filled with voids, reports Gearmix with reference to the online edition of "Livescience".

From sonars submarine can hide the "bubble" coating


As scientists have suggested, “when a sound wave hits a porous layer, the voids in an elastic material change in size and absorb most of the sound energy.”

Theoretical calculations took a lot of time, so the researchers went empirically.

To speed things up, “Professor of Physics from Université Paris Diderot, Valentin Leroy and his colleagues modeled voids inside the material in the form of spherical bubbles, each of which responds subtly to sound waves in accordance with its size and elasticity of the surrounding material,” writes the publication.

This approach allowed scientists to design a “bubble meta-screen”, which was a “soft silicone rubber layer just 230 microns thick”. Internal voids took the form of small cylinders, 24 wide microns.

According to the publication, “field experiments have shown that such a meta-screen dissipates more than 91 percent of the sound energy that falls on it and reflects less than three percent of it (for comparison, an ordinary piece of steel reflects 88% of sound energy)”.

According to the test results, the researchers concluded: “to absorb 99 percent of the energy of modern sonars, you will need a film 4 mm thick.”

According to Professor Leroy, the technical possibility of creating such a coating exists, but making a sample will require considerable effort.
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  1. +29
    6 February 2015 13: 51
    You can also wrap the boat in packaging bubble wrap. Cheap and cheerful wink
    1. +10
      6 February 2015 13: 52
      It’s not even clear what to do with this information now !? :-)
      1. +1
        6 February 2015 21: 27
        From the area - British scientists recommend.

        In short there was a bubble screen made of thick mats. But they decided that a better screen from the calculated scientific bubble but thin mats.

        In short, some mats.
    2. +4
      6 February 2015 13: 53
      So about this and the article! laughing
    3. +4
      6 February 2015 13: 57
      edrit-madrid ... they told us new things ... they discovered cavitation! right now, Sanya-Boa KAA, the brains will be corrected, that will come, and will be corrected .. Yes
      1. +2
        6 February 2015 22: 31
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        told a new thing ... we discovered cavitation! right now you
        Good evening everyone, hello Yurich!
        I am not special in G / A, but I will present my thoughts.
        1. We have a "Molniya-M" type g / a coating that fully extinguishes most of the GAS pulse energy.
        2. "bubble meta-screen", which was "a soft layer of silicone rubber with a thickness of only 230 microns." The internal voids took the form of small cylinders, 24 microns wide.
        There are parameters - you can throw the brain.
        - such a thickness against ice - zilch!
        - Depth 60m and 600m - may not withstand. And if it does, then 60kg / cm2 will flatten 24mc specifically.
        - parking at the pier - will rip off the whole film during the wave.
        - Americans at Texas University have created an "invisibility veil" that scatters millimeter-wave waves equal to the size of the material cell. Here are also cells with linear dimensions of 24 microns. But this is a microwave! which is completely absorbed by water. Boats are looking for low frequencies - and this is f less than 100 kHz.
        - I'm not sure if it will be effective in underwater explosions. All the same, shock hydrodynamic loads will make the body "sound". Therefore, the thickness of our coating (GPD "Meduza-2") was 100-120mm, and the rubber sheet was as heavy as submarine service.
        This is short, the first thing that came to mind. Furs and to-ry GAG I think will answer more specifically.
        But this beauty - the pinnacle of our underwater shipbuilding - admirable!
        1. 0
          6 February 2015 23: 33
          I am not an expert but a question for connoisseurs.
          But aren't the bubbles made of fillers? The fact is that hollow bubbles will be squeezed by pressure. Turning into a dense mass.
    4. Pervusha Isaev
      +11
      6 February 2015 13: 57
      According to the test results, the researchers concluded: “to absorb 99 percent of the energy of modern sonars, you will need a film 4 mm thick.”


      in addition to sound absorption, mechanical strength is also necessary, so a film 4 mm thick for a submarine, which sometimes can produce 30 or more nodes, will not be able to survive for a long time ...
      1. +15
        6 February 2015 14: 26
        in addition to sound absorption, mechanical strength is also required,


        You are right, this is really a problem. Tests of the K-162 project "Anchar" at speed (44 knots)
        "After the test at the native berths, those who met, hardly recognized the submarine. Its hull changed. All the paint flew off, the entire titanium hull was polished with water, even the welds were smoothed out."
        1. 0
          6 February 2015 21: 33
          Not only mechanical strength but the filler bubbles should be made of various materials. Because at different depths, due to the huge difference in pressure, the absorbing properties of one material will be different.

          In short, you can’t cram a lot in 4 mm thickness.
    5. Kapitan Oleg
      +5
      6 February 2015 14: 03
      And the outboard pressure will not flatten them?
      1. Viktor Kudinov
        -1
        6 February 2015 14: 51
        Another question is whether the "porous finish" of the hull will slow down the speed of the submarine? Intuitively - it slows down. what
      2. tkhonov66
        -1
        6 February 2015 16: 26
        "...
        And the outboard pressure will not flatten them?
        ..."
        .
        -!!!
        .
        +1000
        .
        8-))
    6. +3
      6 February 2015 14: 21
      Quote: MooH
      You can also wrap the boat in packaging bubble wrap. Cheap and cheerful wink

      In vain said, it was necessary to first patent. The Japanese will pop up, as with automatic transmission.
      1. +3
        6 February 2015 14: 32
        Quote: subbtin.725
        Quote: MooH
        You can also wrap the boat in packaging bubble wrap. Cheap and cheerful wink

        In vain said, it was necessary to first patent. The Japanese will pop up, as with automatic transmission.

        "bazaar" must be filtered !!! am
        1. 0
          6 February 2015 16: 22
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          Quote: subbtin.725
          Quote: MooH
          You can also wrap the boat in packaging bubble wrap. Cheap and cheerful wink

          In vain said, it was necessary to first patent. The Japanese will pop up, as with automatic transmission.

          "bazaar" must be filtered !!! am

          Do not piss! I still have thousands of such ideas; the Japanese introduce laughing
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    8. 0
      6 February 2015 14: 41
      It is interesting, of course, but will air bubbles float up or somehow hold onto the body? Or. Whoever measured the level of noise rising from a depth of air mass?
      1. 0
        6 February 2015 22: 15
        The issue of noise is subtle, hiding one behind the noise of the bubbles, how much the noise of air bubbles (mass) is heard earlier in the distance.
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    9. 3vs
      +2
      6 February 2015 15: 05
      Everything is simpler, you need to pull on a boat disposable pimpled condom.
      Disposable product, having come to the base, the coating is replaced.
      It remains to learn how to make "products" of this size! fellow
    10. 0
      6 February 2015 15: 59
      And the watch on duty will click the bubbles! Joke!
    11. +1
      6 February 2015 16: 00
      Chubais just does not need to tell, otherwise he will die of envy.
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    13. 0
      6 February 2015 18: 27
      Just started to read and to me, too, this packaging polyethylene stood in front of my eyes.
    14. +1
      6 February 2015 22: 12
      Quote: MooH
      You can also wrap the boat in packaging bubble wrap. Cheap and cheerful
      In vain, ironic, the Germans used a similar method at the end of World War II, applying a rubber coating with bubbles to the hull of the boat, which allowed to operate even in the English Channel.
      The basis was the absorption of sound discovered by the same Meyer by the gas bubbles in water mentioned above. And rubber modulo compression is the same water (only, of course, solid). Sound absorption by gas bubbles is resonant in nature, i.e., it is observed in a certain frequency range. Bubbles underwater resonators. But does this contradict physics? After all, resonators are, I remember, something amplifying sound. True and false.

      Indeed, in the cavity of a Helmholtz resonator, sound pressure is amplified compared to pressure in a free field (this, for example, is the basis for the use of resonators in hearing aids). But at the same time, one or another absorption of vibrational energy occurs in any resonator. What does a rubber resonant underwater sound absorber look like, called a coating "Alberich"? (The cover is named after another character from the legend of the Nibelungs, who had the "invisibility cap".)

      We provide a brief description of the coating "Alberich" according to the data of its creators, published in the book "Some Problems of Applied Acoustics". The coating consists of a thin rubber layer glued to the submarine hull skin; there are air cavities inside the layer. Underwater sound falling on the coating causes intense resonant vibrations of the walls of the cavities and the entire elastic layer, while the sound energy is mainly converted into heat and only a small part of it is reflected back.
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  3. +1
    6 February 2015 13: 52
    The author of the article offers us to do this and experience it? lol Although of course interesting. +
    1. +11
      6 February 2015 13: 59
      Quote: dr.star75
      The author of the article offers us to do this and experience it? lol Although of course interesting. +

      Yeah and experience off the coast of sweden
  4. +10
    6 February 2015 13: 53
    To cover the submarine from sonars, anechoic coating is often used.
    Among others, my grandfather had a hand in the creation of the "horn rubber".
    1. +2
      6 February 2015 14: 00
      "rubber", "put a hand" - inspired by the music! (just kidding of course). Respect to the grandfather, and let the grandson try too.
  5. +11
    6 February 2015 13: 53
    "A soft layer of silicone rubber with a thickness of only 230 microns."
    Does it vaguely remind me of something? wassat But the size of course ...
    1. +3
      6 February 2015 14: 00
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      Does it vaguely remind me of something?

      maybe "Indo-Pakistani incident?" VS Vysotsky .. winked
    2. 0
      6 February 2015 15: 49
      Can structure the top layer of dolphin skin.
  6. Jovanny
    0
    6 February 2015 13: 53
    Soon they can invent a force field)
    1. +2
      6 February 2015 13: 58
      Quote: Jovanny
      Soon they can invent a force field)

      why not? science is rowing forward by leaps and bounds! Yes wassat
      1. +2
        6 February 2015 14: 11
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Quote: Jovanny
        Soon they can invent a force field)

        why not? science is rowing forward by leaps and bounds! Yes wassat

        Something is not noticeable. All with iPhones go, like five years ago. )))
        1. +8
          6 February 2015 14: 20
          Andrei Yurievich ...
          I tried to imagine how it is possible - ".. to paddle forward with leaps and bounds .." wassat
          ...
          still imagine ... fellow
          ..
          brains to smithereens.
          hi
          1. +3
            6 February 2015 15: 35
            Quote: Igarr
            still imagine ...
            ..
            brains to smithereens.

            Well, you see, there’s one of two things: either ... in half, or ... to smithereens! there is no other alternative! laughing
        2. +1
          6 February 2015 15: 33
          Quote: Mama_Cholli
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          Quote: Jovanny
          Soon they can invent a force field)

          why not? science is rowing forward by leaps and bounds! Yes wassat

          Something is not noticeable. All with iPhones go, like five years ago. )))

          don't tell Mom!, now which is "iPhone"? and last year? and the year before last ??? like that ... laughing
          1. 0
            6 February 2015 17: 33
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            Quote: Mama_Cholli
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            Quote: Jovanny
            Soon they can invent a force field)

            why not? science is rowing forward by leaps and bounds! Yes wassat

            Something is not noticeable. All with iPhones go, like five years ago. )))

            don't tell Mom!, now which is "iPhone"? and last year? and the year before last ??? like that ... laughing

            Well, it’s only measured in inches ...))) Oh yes, and the cores ...
            To be honest, it would be necessary to boycott this company (while I personally boycott it).)))
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  8. +1
    6 February 2015 13: 54
    Can the article be deleted? Maybe this disclosure of military secrets? Is the FSB still knocking on the door? bully
  9. +5
    6 February 2015 13: 56
    And how to clean the "passengers" from the hull? Or all the "skin" must be removed at once in order to clean the shells and algae? Or maybe the Europeans will go even further and make a mega-washing machine for this lapserdak? Imagine the picture: the whole team pulls off this silicone lapserdak and drags it to the laundry, and then also pulls it onto the submarine)))
    1. +4
      6 February 2015 14: 13
      Quote: s30461
      And how to clean the "passengers" from the hull? Or all the "skin" must be removed at once in order to clean the shells and algae?

      The coating can be made disposable - in the form of a huge product number 2.
      1. +2
        6 February 2015 14: 22
        That's how the secrets are revealed.
        What are you hiding from the Russian figs, for ... life is like that.
        We tear teeth through the ass, wrap boats with prezymi ...
        Yeah, yeah.
    2. good fair
      +1
      6 February 2015 16: 15
      Quote: s30461
      And how to clean the "passengers" from the hull? Or all the "skin" must be removed at once in order to clean the shells and algae?

      Just like on "Anchar", on forty knots, everything will be blown off. True, together with a pimpled elastic band.
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  11. +2
    6 February 2015 14: 01
    I am certainly not an expert in this field, and do not judge strictly !!! But it seems if you arrange micro-cavitation along the entire hull of a submarine, such as shark skin, this is a more simplified way to deal with active sonar. In principle, this is one and the same. But it seems cheaper! hi
    1. +4
      6 February 2015 14: 08
      Thus, reducing the secondary field, increase the primary.
      1. +3
        6 February 2015 14: 30
        Nikolay is right.
        Actually, reflection creates the interface between media. Not so much the metal of the body reflects the sound, but what is behind the metal is air. Having orders of magnitude lower density than water.
        ...
        Accordingly, if you create a plate that will smoothly change the density - from the density of water to the density of air, then such a plate will create a sound invisibility of the object for sonars.
        What they do, in general, are these same bubbles in the rubber layer.
        ...
        Therefore, bubbling near the boat is strongly discouraged.
        ...
        What do you think, what percentage of the sound wave is reflected from the swimming bubble of mackerel, say.
        And during spawning, a school of fish gives a mark, as if two Nimitza hugging under water shy.
        1. +1
          6 February 2015 22: 50
          Quote: Igarr
          Therefore, bubbling near the boat is strongly discouraged.
          Well, Igor, don't tell me! Passive GPA consists of these very bubbles. The boat "hides" behind this bubble curtain. Then a maneuver with depth, a move, launching a self-drive. imtator. In short - the tactics of evading the PLC.
          This is so.
        2. 0
          7 February 2015 22: 10
          I agree who the fisherman will understand how the sounder works, looking for fish by the air bubble
    2. +1
      6 February 2015 15: 34
      Mdya ... I will try to outline everything as simple as possible ... *))

      If you think so, offhand ... hmm ... if we get cavitation when flowing around the hull of the boat, this may indicate that the process of liquid flowing around the hull is not laminar. We get at the exit, "gnawed" body = local temperatures in bubbles of cavitating liquid, as far as I remember, is millions of Kelvin, and outrageous pressures = ... *) The entire twentieth century, you know, people fought with cavitation, and you propose to give it to "eat" new defense products ... *) Yes, and it will be noisy, very much - cavitation is, in fact, akin to boiling ... *))

      If you want to refer to "Shkval", then this torpedo is arranged a little differently. She has a device on her nose - a cavitator, which creates a cavitation bubble around the torpedo body. Moreover, it should be noted separately that the body of the torpedo itself, in fact, does not come into contact with this bubble, or rather we have a zone of active cavitation at the border, and a zone of turbulence is closer to the body. Moreover, the Shkvala cavitation bubble stabilizes as the torpedo itself gains speed. And the torpedo, after being launched, is blind, deaf, and screams at the whole ocean like a sperm whale with aching teeth ... *) I'm not sure what will happen reliably enclose in a cavitation bubble, a boat with an underwater displacement of one and a half tens of thousands of tons, it will collapse with a slight violation of the ideal conditions of its existence ... *)

      Like about that ... *)
    3. 0
      7 February 2015 21: 46
      I apologize, we seem to have followed the Shkval missile torpedo principle
      "An innovation is used - the underwater movement of the object in the mode of developed detachable flow. The meaning of this action is to create an air bubble around the body of the object (vapor-gas bubble) and, due to the drop in hydrodynamic resistance (water resistance) and the use of jet engines, the required underwater speed of movement is achieved. times the speed of the fastest conventional torpedo. "
      doesn’t resemble anything? -)))
  12. +2
    6 February 2015 14: 06
    Americans in general in the field of acoustic detection and counteraction have succeeded. They may even resent the marine environment in order to mask submarines.
    1. 0
      6 February 2015 15: 57
      Low frequency vibrator. negative
  13. 0
    6 February 2015 14: 06
    Quote: Imigrantt
    I am certainly not an expert in this field, and do not judge strictly !!! But it seems if you arrange micro-cavitation along the entire hull of a submarine, such as shark skin, this is a more simplified way to deal with active sonar. In principle, this is one and the same. But it seems cheaper! hi

    Sharks do not mind? wink
  14. 0
    6 February 2015 14: 08
    No, of course it’s interesting. But what is it for?
    1. +4
      6 February 2015 15: 22
      Quote: Abbra
      No, of course it’s interesting. But what is it for?

      A hundred thousandth topic about Ukraine is more interesting? There's at least something new.
    2. +1
      6 February 2015 22: 58
      Quote: Abbra
      No, of course it’s interesting. But what is it for?

      I think so ... uh ... in! --- TO RAIN! Yes! laughing
  15. +1
    6 February 2015 14: 09
    Well, suppose if a sonar does not receive a response signal, or receives a signal that differs in its performance from a signal reflected from the seabed, then this can also be considered a factor in the presence of a submarine.
    In addition, at the moment, boats from outer space are determined precisely by cavitation turbulences. In this case, the boat will be even more visible to satellites.
    It is safer to create a thermocline on a boat, but again, the return speed of the reflected signal will still give an object located between the sonar and the bottom.
    1. hoard
      +1
      6 February 2015 15: 02
      Can you tell us in more detail what "vortexes" are, and how they search for boats by satellites?)))) And, if it's not difficult, how to create a "thermocline over the boat"?)))))
      1. +1
        6 February 2015 15: 29
        Mock, mock. Literacy, nothing to do with it .. Just try to imagine the letter "k" instead of the letter "v". If you can, of course.

        On the second question, you apparently read the beginning, and missed the end. It is useless, even if somehow it turns out to be done.
        1. hoard
          +2
          6 February 2015 16: 12
          Okay, changed. But I still did not hear that "cavitation vortices" were detected from space.))
          Now without glum.
          Cavitation is a break in the continuity of water (the formation of bubbles) when a physical body moves in it at a speed above a certain one. The boat mostly happens on the screw, less - on the hull. Depends mainly on speed and depth. It increases the noise of the boat and is detected by noise detection paths of the sonar complex.
          Turbulence (turbulence) is a disturbance in the aquatic environment formed by the movement of the hull of the boat and the rotation of the propeller. An integral part of the wake of the boat. Detected by non-acoustic detection means.
          Actually, cavitation and turbulence are little related. That's why I had fun. I'm sorry if I offended you.
          1. hoard
            +5
            6 February 2015 16: 24
            Now about the satellites. The fact that the boat is easily detected by satellite is a common misconception. The satellite can detect the thermal and radiation (and even magnetic) components of the wake of the boat. But the trace must float to the surface for this (several hours, depending on the depth of the boat), and the satellite - fly over it. Feel the probability and value of such an event?))) So the satellite boat is not a threat.
            1. hoard
              +3
              6 February 2015 16: 51
              About the thermocline. Roughly speaking, it coincides with the horizon of the layer of the jump in the sound speed of the GSS. And experts do not talk about thermocline. Underwater sound does not travel in a straight line. The picture of the acoustic illumination of the sea area depends on the distribution of the speed of sound in depth, which is primitively depicted in the figure (GSS - on "c"). For example, in order to evade detection by sonar of a surface ship, the boat dives under the GSS (if there is one, of course). It is artificial to create a GSS - there have not been such ideas yet)))).
              1. +1
                6 February 2015 17: 27
                OK. Thank. I was wrong and inaccurate. Pluses just do not give much to instruct you.)))
                I was wrong about the cavitation trail. Indeed, the bubbles cannot give out the boat (all the more so, the propellers are designed in such a way as to prevent this phenomenon)
                It meant, in fact, how you correctly indicated the trail of the boat left to her in the water column. Although this activity is really unreliable, it should not be discounted, especially if this happens not in the open ocean, but in coastal areas. It is enough to understand that the boat is in such-and-such a square and follows such and such a course. The helicopter will complete the rest.
                Regarding the thermocline, I honestly said that I can’t imagine how this can be created.
                Apparently, therefore, nothing has been created yet similar, since there were no ideas. )))
                Down and Out trouble started. It will be necessary to do.
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    3. +2
      6 February 2015 23: 30
      Quote: Mama_Cholli
      if a sonar ... receives a signal that differs in its performance from a signal reflected from the seabed, then this can also be considered a factor in the presence of a submarine.
      If in distilled water, the same temperature, without marine life and "Quakers". Then yes!
      Quote: Mama_Cholli
      It’s safer to create a thermocline on a boat,

      Yes, you, mom Jolie, are not Grandfather Pikhto, but Neptune, by God! What kind of energy do you need to have !? To cover the boat with a "thermocline". This is the first thing.
      And secondly, suppressing the optical range, you drag behind you an IR "blanket" which (you have to be an idiot not to notice it!) will unmask the boat, marking it better than a red lantern at the entrance to a brothel. But if you are talking about the "jump layer", then it is not always possible to dive into it or climb under it, especially in shallow water. Then, GPUs feel great under it.
      Sorry, mother-grandfather, but - physics!
      1. 0
        8 February 2015 16: 12
        Well, I'm not an expert ... Well, they convinced.)))
        Was wrong.
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  16. Tribuns
    +2
    6 February 2015 14: 10
    The best is the well-forgotten old!
    Back in the 90s of the last century, it was mentioned (see p. 79: DE Chegodaev, OP Mulyukin, EV Koltygin. Designing the working bodies of machines and equipment from elastic-porous material MR: Textbook. allowance Part II. - SPC "Aviator": Samara, 1994. - 100p.) that the issues of applying on the surface of structures of elastic shells made of MR material, made by analogy with the profile of dolphin skin, are under study. The solution to this problem will significantly improve the acoustic and hydrodynamic characteristics of objects.
  17. +4
    6 February 2015 14: 10
    At different depths, microcavities will behave differently. At a depth of 100 meters, for example, they will decrease by 10 times, which will certainly affect the acoustic characteristics for the worse.
  18. +1
    6 February 2015 14: 17
    Now, various discoveries in any industry appear and opposition to them. Therefore, it’s hard to hide the submarine in ocean waters, especially from modernized Russian aircraft and especially from space.
  19. +11
    6 February 2015 14: 17
    Submarine protection technologies are state secrets. Usually, permission to publish such things is given only for "stuffing" .... The goal is multiple. The fox's hope that the crow will crawl ... The hope that it will be possible to push other people's design bureaus into research that is recognized as dead-end ... well, on trifles ... To discuss such things (a state secret in fact) on serious, but public forum - harmful and not serious.
    1. +4
      6 February 2015 14: 41
      Oleg, hello.
      State secret, in fact, is encapsulated in technology.
      Because we say that we use a foamed condom, the secret will not be revealed.
      Because we will not say - but HOW we foamed it ...
      Mouth ??
      1. +3
        6 February 2015 14: 48
        hi Hi Igor. If everyone followed these principles: not to seriously discuss such things - of course, why not bother. Only a few, who really know something, are enraged by the "stupidity" of those who are joking ... Here it begins: "But here, in Severodvinsk ..."
    2. +4
      6 February 2015 14: 47
      You say the truth! Therefore, I will refrain from commenting on this article. The article does not bear anything useful. Gluing this coating with nanosizeds will also attach foam pillows 5 meters thick to the tugs, God forbid, not to scratch them)))))
      1. +1
        6 February 2015 17: 25
        Quote: VALERIK_097
        and foam towels with a thickness of 5 meters will be attached to tugboats, God forbid, do not scratch)))))

        And every ice floe must!
  20. Karbyshevets
    0
    6 February 2015 14: 19
    Oh, fuck, and what to do with it! Yes, anything, if before a piece of rubber 2.5 cm thick was required, now it’s from a few microns to a few mm. This is what you win in the mass. It is possible to use it on other underwater devices where every kg plays the role of creating wetsuits that are not visible to sonars and electromagnetic impulses. Yes, not only in underwater but also in airspace, such materials will find application. So, I won’t be surprised if ours will go to the matrixes in a drowsy position and check in near the Statue of Liberty so that later they will find out that they had our Facebook submarines
  21. +5
    6 February 2015 14: 20
    Let's play it out. We will all be put as guardians of state secrets. If anything - I have not read this article.
    1. +1
      6 February 2015 14: 42
      Late, my friend ..
      We’ll ask in one camera, huh?
      We will discuss it ...
  22. +3
    6 February 2015 14: 25
    The coating thickness on our submarines is much thicker than 2,5 cm. The exfoliated rubber sheets were used as a rug at the entrance to the barracks.
    And if you plunge, then the bubbles will shrink, and the coating will become useless. And buoyancy will constantly change, you get tormented from the egalitarian swing back and forth. And if you envelop the entire body with bubbles, then questions with buoyancy can also arise. Wait, but cavitation only adds noise when the bubbles collapse. And indeed, what to do with vegetation? Solid questions.

    What will more advanced "acoustic" forum users tell us about this?
    1. +6
      6 February 2015 14: 44
      They will not say anything.
      Because this note is nonsense.
      You need to know the properties of the coating, you need to see the test reports in different seas, in different seasons, at different depths and courses.
      Then you can specifically say something.
      1. hoard
        +3
        6 February 2015 15: 15
        The article is really nonsense, possibly largely due to several reprints and translations. Theory is far from practical application.
        1. +1
          7 February 2015 00: 05
          Quote: magot
          Theory is far from practical application.
          Texans plow on this topic, but only in the air. But the principle is the same - refraction, diffraction, divergence - anything, if only the reflected wave does not return back to the receiver-emitter.
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  23. +2
    6 February 2015 14: 29
    And if you paste the durable case from the inside with silicone?
    1. +3
      6 February 2015 14: 51
      Then the crew will think that they are sperm, no?
  24. Portoss
    +1
    6 February 2015 14: 38
    Quote: Kapitan Oleg
    And the outboard pressure will not flatten them?

    Because they are 24 microns in size: Experience is the son of difficult mistakes and the Genius of paradoxes is different ..
  25. +2
    6 February 2015 14: 38
    Ordinary stuffing of sly foxes, what if!? And the enemy is peeping, eavesdropping, drinking water and putting the girls on.
    1. +1
      6 February 2015 14: 59
      Quote: KBPC50
      Ordinary stuffing of sly foxes, what if!? And the enemy is peeping, eavesdropping, drinking water and putting the girls on.

      Well, the enemy ... not the enemy ... but the Israelis, for example, who usually discuss hot technology, suddenly fell silent on this subject ... They don’t build their boats, but they buy ... expensive ... but they could ...
    2. +2
      7 February 2015 00: 10
      Quote: KBPC50
      And the enemy is peeping, eavesdropping, drinking water and putting the girls on.
      Well, brother, you are either from the office or the party organizer of the faculty !!! bully
  26. +1
    6 February 2015 14: 39
    Quote: Andrey NM
    The coating thickness on our submarines is much thicker than 2,5 cm. The exfoliated rubber sheets were used as a rug at the entrance to the barracks.

    Oh, horror! I read it! Now all of us all together in camps!
    1. +4
      6 February 2015 15: 07
      laughing
      There are a million photos online with ragged sides and faces. Well, it's so simple if someone has not seen.
      1. +1
        6 February 2015 15: 22
        I agree, there are such photographs, but the dates are usually not put on them. Recently, orders have become more often at the docks, and accordingly there are practically no ships with broken "files")).
        1. +3
          6 February 2015 15: 47
          And it also depends on the intensity of the "seas". God grant that we go more often. If they sail more, they will be more prepared. And what a canned vobla was !!! Eh, where can I get one now?
          1. +2
            6 February 2015 16: 29
            ))) why she was there now, I don’t eat it myself, but my wife and daughter made a package for a week. You just need to have familiar Koki (you gave your ration), and be there, that is, live at 69 parallel.))))
          2. +2
            7 February 2015 00: 21
            Quote: Andrey NM
            And what a canned roach was !!!

            And I collected chocolates for children: alenka - to my daughter, airplanes - to my son. (Vobla had to change) Bring 70-80 pieces - there were joys on children's faces!
            Quote: VALERIK_097
            the wife and daughter ground the package in a week.
            Valera! what UTB girls pulled on a salty !? You look there more closely, otherwise you’ll become a grandfather before the deadline! lol
            1. +2
              7 February 2015 07: 42
              We did not come across "airplanes", there were "Alenka" and "Pushkin's Tales". I was single, I sent all the chocolate to my little sister. And the vobla was in canned food and cardboard wax boxes. Valera, where on the "mainland" can I get one? Not in Gadzhievo yourself now? I wonder how it is there now ... I heard that the "Helicopter" is gone.
  27. +1
    6 February 2015 14: 42
    They spied on the whales. Dolphins and whales surround a school of sardines with a bubble screen. The fish are compact. And the "sonar" through the veil does not work. The jammer is obtained throughout the navigation from the fish community. Hence, an easy prey for ocean intellectuals.
  28. +1
    6 February 2015 14: 52
    Quote: Navigator2013
    And if you paste the durable case from the inside with silicone?

    Joked yes?
    1. 0
      6 February 2015 15: 02
      Quote: VALERIK_097
      Quote: Navigator2013
      And if you paste the durable case from the inside with silicone?

      Joked yes?

      What kind of jokes ...? When bombing, the risk of breaking the spine is greatly reduced, for example, it should be noted ... laughing
      1. +1
        6 February 2015 15: 12
        Then everyone has a tank helmet and a motorcycle "turtle" ...
      2. +2
        7 February 2015 00: 31
        Quote: RusDV
        Quote: VALERIK_097
        Quote: Navigator2013
        And if you paste the durable case from the inside with silicone?

        This may come to mind the TRUE UNLIMITED !!!
        "Fake silicone burns with an open flame, exudes a pungent odor and black smoke.
        Real silicone burns like coal with a white flame, smoke is also white, and there is almost no smell during burning
        http://radiokot.ru/forum/viewtopic.php am
        It’s better then to immediately set fire to the torpedo bomb! fool
  29. +2
    6 February 2015 15: 28
    There is still one theory .. You can use bubbles .. You can also wrap with felt and paste over otters with fur - there will be a woolen boat)))
    1. +1
      7 February 2015 09: 15
      And if you take a boat out of the water, then in general then no acoustics will take it!
  30. 0
    6 February 2015 15: 59
    Our brains are ours, but the patent and the right of ownership are not ours, because the professor of physics from "Université Paris Diderot" Valentin Leroy ...
  31. -3
    6 February 2015 16: 07
    Invent? Easy. Nobody said that bubbles should be embedded in the material. They can be small in size and generated on the surface of the boat. Here is how or how to generate it? - this is the question. The easiest way is to insert a bunch of needles from the syringes of the smallest possible diameter of the capillary into the rubber, which are internally integrated into a united network of tubes into which gas pressure is applied, for example, carbon dioxide, which dissolves in sea water.
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  32. 0
    6 February 2015 17: 11
    Where is Chubais ?? what Find and puzzle !! request For failure to drive in NANO. angry drinks
  33. +1
    6 February 2015 17: 47
    This technology is already, on Wednesday, a hundred years old. Everything new is well forgotten old. Sending to the release of books about the submarine fleet of the 70s. Everything has been known for a long time. Apparently they want to cut down the grandmas, not otherwise, although everything is already being used.
  34. 0
    6 February 2015 21: 53
    Here is the field of activity of nanotechnology red Chubais.
  35. +2
    6 February 2015 23: 40
    And about this Su .. redhead, looking to remember at night, I would not want to. I would like to add that the available domestic technologies and developments allow already now to make more low-noise coatings for submarine hulls, if only there was time and "effective managers", together with (not by nightfall, be mentioned as Red) DO NOT interfere with the shipbuilders, but more precisely, our entire defense.
  36. 0
    9 February 2015 01: 34
    We are talking about 20 micron bubbles in the "micropore" layer on the outer lightweight body. They are not pressured at all. And from the active "beepers" that amerskie submarine vodka scattered on the bottom - quite a defense.
    Like on the "Ash" avenue tested. No wonder she is considered the quietest submarine in the world. With "Onyx" and "Caliber" to heighten the "potential friends" :-)
    Only a few of them, like pills for greed, "and more, more" :)
    With "passengers" the problem is the most objective. A standard patent with a "skinned skin" with shells is not applicable for submarines in a cruising campaign. But who's stopping to cover a military product with "non-ecological" mercury paint, which seems to have been known since the 40s? It's not for her to "show the flag" in foreign ports?

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