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Russia and the United States will develop fighter sixth generation

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Currently, the leading countries of the world are actively engaged in the creation of fighters belonging to the so-called. fifth generation. The United States is actively exploiting the F-22 aircraft and are preparing to make full use of the new F-35. Russia continues to test prototypes of the T-50 fighter. China is simultaneously implementing two new fighter projects. Some other countries, including India, Japan, etc., express their intentions to join the "club" of fifth-generation fighter owners.

Fifth generation fighters in terms of their number in the troops still cannot compete with the technology of relatively old models. Nevertheless, work on the creation and construction of new equipment continues and lead to certain results. Moreover, aircraft designers from several countries are already beginning to think about developing the next, sixth generation fighters. In recent days, a number have appeared News about promising projects and plans for the future. Already, some attempts are being made to approximate the appearance of sixth generation fighters.

At the end of January, some details of the Pentagon’s plans regarding the development of tactical combat became known. aviation. Now the US military is working on a draft budget for the next fiscal year, which is planned to include a number of interesting articles. So, in fiscal 2016, it is planned to begin financing the program for creating the sixth generation fighter. Starting next year, the US military will begin to pay for the first research and development work on new topics.

Specific funding levels have not yet been named. The cost of the first stages of the program will be determined later. In addition, in the near future it should be agreed with the Congress. At the same time, some features of the project were announced concerning the approach to its development and other organizational issues. The main objective of the new project will be to ensure the superiority of the US Air Force in the conditions of the emergence and wide distribution of foreign fighters of the fifth generation. As in the case of the F-35 project, work will be carried out with the financial and other participation of foreign countries, which will be able to acquire new aircraft in the future.

The requirements for the promising American fighter of the sixth generation remain unknown. Among the specialists and amateurs of aviation technology there are certain considerations regarding the appearance of such equipment, but the Pentagon has not yet approved the requirements in accordance with which a new project will be developed. The terms of reference for the new project will be formed in the early stages of the project, which starts only in the 2016 fiscal year. Thus, until a certain time, only the fact of the existence of the program and its general goals will be known. Other details must be published over the next few years.

In early February, it became known that Russia also has plans for creating a sixth generation fighter. Moreover, some work is already underway in this direction. For obvious reasons, new aircraft will appear only in the distant future, but the first steps are being taken now. At present, Russian specialists are engaged in advanced radio-electronic equipment for future planes.

Vladimir Mikheev, Deputy Director General of the Radioelectronic Technologies Concern (KRET), told several days ago that the organization is currently working on onboard equipment for the T-50 aircraft, and is also working on systems for a promising sixth-generation fighter.


T-50


Domestic experts are considering two options for a promising fighter. One of them must be equipped with a cockpit, and the second is proposed to be made unmanned. Mikheev noted that while it is not planned to abandon the man as a pilot present in the cockpit. Nevertheless, the final technical task for which a full-fledged project will be developed should be formed by the Ministry of Defense.

Now it is known only about two hypothetical projects of the sixth generation fighter, which in the future will be developed by the United States and Russia. Other countries are still interested only in the fifth generation of fighters, which is why in the foreseeable future they do not intend to engage in the further development of aircraft technology. It is noteworthy that world industry leaders are still only making plans for fighters of the distant future.

At the moment, only one fighter, officially attributable to the fifth generation, has reached full operation in the army. From 2001 to 2011, the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor, currently in service with the US Air Force, was mass-produced in the United States. Other projects in the United States or other countries are still at different stages. Thus, the Russian T-50 aircraft is being tested, and the American Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II is being mass-produced and should achieve initial operational readiness in the coming years. Despite this state of development of the fifth generation, the possibility of creating the sixth is already being considered.


Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II

A specific feature of the sixth generation of fighters at the moment is the absence of a generally accepted list of requirements for such equipment. For example, the requirements for the fifth generation include modern radio-electronic equipment, including radar with an active phased antenna array, high flight characteristics, such as the possibility of cruising at supersonic speeds without using afterburner and super-maneuverability, as well as weapons in the internal compartments of the airframe.

The generally accepted requirements for the sixth generation fighter does not yet exist. Various proposals appear in numerous discussions, but due to the lack of real projects, all of them remain at the level of conversations. Probably, from the sixth generation fighters will require a further reduction in visibility for the enemy, increased flight data, etc. Often referred to the possibility of creating both manned and unmanned vehicles.

Some organizations, such as Boeing, are already trying to develop a sixth-generation fighter, but such projects are still being conducted in a proactive manner. As for the American perspective project, which will be developed by the order of the Pentagon, the first works on it are planned for the next fiscal year. In Russia, some issues related to onboard radio-electronic equipment are currently being worked out, but the timing of the start of a full-fledged design remains unknown.

According to several assessments, the first fighters of the sixth generation, created by the leading countries of the world, will fly into the air for the first time in the second half of the next decade. Thus, they will go into service no earlier than the thirties. The operation of such equipment will continue, at least until mid-century. This means that right now aircraft designers and the military need to build long-term forecasts about the development of armies and changing methods of warfare, on the basis of which it will be possible to work out requirements for advanced equipment.


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  1. Magic archer
    Magic archer 6 February 2015 06: 52
    +5
    Like there was a Discovery program. About the armaments of the future. Here the American specialist voiced approximate requirements for the aircraft of the future. Hypersound, flight with the possibility of reaching low Earth orbit, unmanned! In short, a super Shuttle. I think about the same requirements will be with our 6 generation aircraft hi
    1. saag
      saag 6 February 2015 06: 56
      +4
      Quote: Magic Archer
      low-Earth flight

      We need to work on obtaining and storing atomic hydrogen, then the plane can drive into the orbit of the moon and return back :-)
    2. almost demobil
      almost demobil 6 February 2015 21: 17
      +2
      Quote: Magic Archer
      .Hypersound, flight with the possibility of reaching low Earth orbit, unmanned! In short, the Super Shuttle

      But do not you think that minke whales are trying to throw us another exorbitant super order by today's standards? After all, about such crap (missile defense) in the opinion of a large number of analysts ruined our country of the USSR ?.
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 8 February 2015 00: 07
        0
        Our country was completely different! First of all, the lag in labor productivity! In the second, smaller, content of pro-Soviet regimes around the world! I am not against helping friends, but help should remain help without turning into a banal contribution!
      2. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 8 February 2015 00: 07
        0
        Our country was completely different! First of all, the lag in labor productivity! In the second, smaller, content of pro-Soviet regimes around the world! I am not against helping friends, but help should remain help without turning into a banal contribution!
      3. Kir
        Kir 9 February 2015 22: 26
        0
        You mean SDI, but it really made me restrain myself, although I pushed me to something.
        In terms of labor productivity, well, what’s to be considered and how, and then the state was ruined by the excuse of the so-called elite, or rather, those who were screaming away and the ambitions of the second echelon, and the kids at the top helped.
    3. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 8 February 2015 17: 57
      0
      Americans 100% will develop the concept of a fighter with a single engine. All the same, flying in a fighter with one engine is like jumping from an airplane without a reserve parachute.
    4. ohtsistem
      ohtsistem 12 February 2015 16: 26
      0
      Hypersound, flight with the possibility of reaching low Earth orbit, unmanned! In short, the Super Shuttle. I think about the same requirements will be in our aircraft of the 6th generation

      With your permission ... I will add I think it will be fundamentally - a new "engine" based on the principles of antigravity
      1. Kir
        Kir 12 February 2015 18: 13
        0
        Like one joked, and the other even more ?, if this is not a joke, then ....... Antigravity is likely close but not so future, and use this in the framework of even a very modernized project of the shuttle analog, forgive me for the wooden cart with a motor from the formula1.
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  2. almost demobil
    almost demobil 6 February 2015 06: 56
    +6
    A specific feature of the sixth generation of fighters at the moment is the lack of a generally accepted list of requirements for such equipment.
    Such stuffing of information is especially touching. What is it about, if so? It is much more productive to talk about further modernization of the 5th generation, 5+, 5 ++ and so on. Here you can talk about the unmanned option, and if there are no requirements for the 6th generation, no one knows what it is, then it's just idle talk.
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 6 February 2015 11: 33
      +2
      Quote: almost demob
      A specific feature of the sixth generation of fighters at the moment is the lack of a generally accepted list of requirements for such equipment.
      Such stuffing of information is especially touching. What is it about, if so? It is much more productive to talk about further modernization of the 5th generation, 5+, 5 ++ and so on. Here you can talk about the unmanned option, and if there are no requirements for the 6th generation, no one knows what it is, then it's just idle talk.




      I agree.

      There is no operational experience of the 5th generation, where will the requirements for the 6th come from?

      While you can think about the unsolved problems when creating the 5th, set new tasks for materials, engines, weapons, etc.

      Over time, new requirements will appear that they can - will be added to the 5th, that they cannot - will be postponed for the 6th

      Evolution
      1. bagel
        bagel 6 February 2015 14: 16
        +1
        This is not an experience?

        http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20140924/1025415878.html

        "The US Air Force feared the resistance of the Syrian air defense and decided to take advantage of the" stealth plane. "
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 6 February 2015 14: 35
          +1
          Quote: Bagel
          This is not an experience?

          http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20140924/1025415878.html

          "The US Air Force feared the resistance of the Syrian air defense and decided to take advantage of the" stealth plane. "



          This is the first and so far only use of 5th generation aircraft.

          What kind of experience can we talk about here?
          1. Throw
            Throw 6 February 2015 15: 40
            +6
            A specific feature of the sixth generation of fighters at the moment is the lack of a generally accepted list of requirements for such equipment.


            This article had to start and then end it. laughing
            1. ACKiPaPa,
              ACKiPaPa, 7 February 2015 06: 18
              0
              Let me disagree with you gentlemen. It is necessary to create a reserve for the 6th generation now. In principle, this is a normal practice, putting into service one generation of equipment, and starting work on the next. Well, the requirements, the requirements will be, so they exploit the "fifth" and decide on a new technical task. So everything is very correct, in a timely manner, I'm not afraid to say. And then in the 90s there was already such a thing, why should we develop a new one, when the old one "serves" well and there is no money, yeah - half of the fleet "served" - scrap metal, it is scary to lift planes into the air, we start the tank "from the pusher ". Thank you, the land has not become scarce ... the Soviet legacy turned out to be long-lived, but not all specialists for the "hillock", but succumbed to another world. So it's good to step on the old rake. Or do you want our children and grandchildren to "rush" the army from their knees, just as if it were too late.
  3. Cosmos1987
    Cosmos1987 6 February 2015 07: 11
    +1
    I’m looking at how the air forces of the countries of the world are developing now, everything is going in the multifunctionality of aviation systems, as a result of which these funderwales cost many millions and therefore their number is less than the aircraft of the previous generation, and all this can be shot down with one missile. A 6th generation fighter will be built, a hypernuclear-space fighter-bomber-interceptor-reb with a crew of 10, and again with the ability to shoot down this "money chest" with one missile. Or maybe we need to go the other way, let the plane be highly specialized, not very technologically advanced in terms of electronics, but MASS? who has any thoughts on this?
    1. bazilio
      bazilio 6 February 2015 10: 11
      +5
      Quote: Cosmos1987
      Or maybe you need to go the other way, let the plane be highly specialized, not very technological in terms of electronics, but MASS? who has any thoughts on this?

      Well, you can’t say right away. Much depends on the ratio of characteristics. How good can a super-expensive fighter be, or rather, what is its combat payback? Let's say we have a 6th generation super plane that can handle 10 planes at the same time, say 4+, but it will cost like 20 4+ planes, such a super plane will most likely be unprofitable.
      Again, it is necessary to separate the conditions of use - in local conflicts or in real big wars. For local wars, a super plane is suitable, for large-scale wars it is probably better to have a massive and more budget car, as history shows that large-scale wars most often come down to the one who has more resources and won
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 6 February 2015 13: 12
        +1
        Or maybe just a few words ..))))? Price-quality-efficiency ..)))) !!!
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    3. skeptic
      skeptic 6 February 2015 11: 55
      0
      Quote: Cosmos1987
      Or maybe you need to go a different way,


      I agree, if a 6-generation fighter is needed, then it should be two-medium, based on Earth orbit. The main task is the destruction of the satellite constellation of the enemy, the protection of their satellites, and of course, the destruction of analogues and missiles of the enemy.
      Something like this.
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 6 February 2015 13: 13
        +1
        Wow ... this is some kind of star wars ... we still have the fifth one that doesn’t really fly ..)))
    4. tchoni
      tchoni 6 February 2015 16: 41
      0
      The idea is not bad. Let’s say, if we abandon missile weapons, radar and other abstruse stray and make a super-maneuverable fighter with cannon weapons, very low visibility weighing tons of commercials up to 10 and direct it from external targeting systems ....
      Or a stormtrooper with a piston installation, also inconspicuous, but armored ..... and the same use external target designation.
      Or a subsonic bomber, but with a terrible bomb load ....
      It would be nice to simulate this ... How can you reduce the levels of visibility? Is low visibility a replacement for radar? Is it possible with such a narrow specialization to achieve a qualitative improvement in LTX compared to heavier models? There are many questions. As far as I know, no one has ever walked these paths .....
  4. Lord of Wrath
    Lord of Wrath 6 February 2015 07: 52
    +4
    All right. If by the 20 years the fifth generation is behind, then we must now take up 6, and keep the 7 in mind
  5. DUMYCH
    DUMYCH 6 February 2015 08: 30
    +1
    It is completely with the characteristics of the 5th generation aircraft that no one can decide. 6th generation, in fact, there should be a drone controlled either by means of satellites or advanced ground centers. Its characteristics are not something that would be classified, they are essentially -non-exists. 7- generation. Even in science fiction this is not painted. Although, who knows what ours will be able to create. In the distant 70s, no one thought that the USSR would be able to create a "fantasy" in the form of the Su-27.
  6. awersa
    awersa 6 February 2015 09: 51
    0
    You can tear your pants at a quick pace .... I think in the beginning you need to bring the T50 to mind, because the sixth generation aircraft should come from the successful realities of the previous generation plus new opportunities ... and you can fully unlock the potential of the T50 in ten years if not in 20 , a vivid example of this is the su-27 ...
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 6 February 2015 11: 39
      +2
      As an advance project, the development must already be started, for example, the 5th generation submarines have already begun to design, with the aircraft you can not keep up.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 6 February 2015 14: 01
        0
        It seems that State Deputies have wound up on the site who do not want Russia to be on the cutting edge of progress, otherwise I can’t think of reasons to minus my previous comment.
        1. ACKiPaPa,
          ACKiPaPa, 7 February 2015 06: 30
          0
          You are right - I call.
  7. arslan23
    arslan23 6 February 2015 09: 52
    -2
    By lyubas there should be a new engine. When will they come up with something like an anti-gravity engine? We got it already. Maybe Vladimir Vladimirovich will find out from extraterrestrial intelligence how to make it. And then jet engines are already at the limit. Well, they will be at the limit in 2050 that's for sure. Salvation is direct-flow engines, but it is more a rocket than a jet engine. VV on you and on aliens all hope. For aliens, please write in a personal
    1. Alexey M
      Alexey M 6 February 2015 17: 16
      +1
      And by the way, for about 10 years, there has been a suspicious silence on this one on the network. Why?
    2. gridasov
      gridasov 10 February 2015 11: 49
      0
      We have developed new algorithms for physical processes, and only then the principle of operation of such an engine, and combined both the reactor and propulsion. Most importantly, the threshold limits of operation of a modern turbine and the flight of an aircraft that are unattainable by modern methodologies for constructing both the first and second are theoretically justified. Therefore, you were not mistaken that the conversation is about alien technologies. Since it is from them that all subsequent arguments proceed. Where do you write in a personal?
  8. Zerstorer
    Zerstorer 6 February 2015 09: 54
    +2
    Generations are a conditional division. And the design bureau works on technical specifications developed by military research institutes. The aircraft must meet the requirements of the military, which make up the TK, and not the requirements of belonging to a specific generation.
  9. ruletsmakom
    ruletsmakom 6 February 2015 10: 31
    -2
    I agree with the previous one. A breakthrough in technology is needed. And they’ll just reinvent the wheel. Specifically, in AI, Nano, or something else.
  10. Nitarius
    Nitarius 6 February 2015 10: 44
    +1
    I wouldn’t call the F-35 a 5th generation airplane ... rather 4 ++ .. BUT it’s not like 5th fifth!
    but 6 generations will be the fifth!
  11. jungler
    jungler 6 February 2015 13: 55
    +2
    I doubt that in 30's This will appear. We need a breakthrough in the concept and fundamental science, and this. The problem is no longer aviation but if you want civilization. Since the official science is in a dead end (a separate topic) of corruption and the chosen nepotism. I DO NOT BELIEVE.
  12. Kuranov V.
    Kuranov V. 6 February 2015 14: 39
    +1
    is he needed at all? Unmanned - yes, it is clear why, a person can no longer cope with promising electronics, but why not further - disposable? Fiction? No, they already exist - such an air defense fighter is called "beyond generations" anti-aircraft missile and they are already in their seventh decade.
    Shock version? Even easier - OTR.
    1. ACKiPaPa,
      ACKiPaPa, 7 February 2015 06: 36
      0
      Well comrade Khrushchev also thought in this direction, and many military specialists too - but no - everything returned to normal.
      1. Kuranov V.
        Kuranov V. 7 February 2015 10: 38
        0
        Quote: ACCiPaPa,
        Well comrade Khrushchev also thought in this direction, and many military specialists too - but no - everything returned to normal.

        came back in the 60s but we live in a different century
        1. ACKiPaPa,
          ACKiPaPa, 7 February 2015 14: 49
          0
          Nevertheless, things are still there. So far, neither AI nor, accordingly, missile systems have reached that perfection to replace classical weapons. Namely, their pilots / operators will not be achieved in the foreseeable future. yes
          1. Kuranov V.
            Kuranov V. 8 February 2015 00: 33
            0
            you beat a computer simulator?)
            1. ACKiPaPa,
              ACKiPaPa, 8 February 2015 00: 52
              0
              "Lock-on" for F15, SU25 / 27 - all missions (only with a joystick, on the keyboard it is impossible) IL-2 for all single-engine engines (almost all settings, too lazy to sit down, interactive map), but with people I'm a mediocre pilot in " duels ", chess - almost always merge, hi
              1. Kuranov V.
                Kuranov V. 8 February 2015 00: 55
                0
                try on maximum difficulty.
                The problem is that the little man in the interceptor limits his overload, SAM is better, honestly. And no one cancels a person - designers, drivers, technicians - author and servant karoch sad
                1. ACKiPaPa,
                  ACKiPaPa, 8 February 2015 01: 18
                  0
                  In the so-called. hardcore sim is not difficult, or is it an arcade. You can only remove some of the flight factors (corkscrew, flutter, infinite ammo, interactive map (leave) - up to overload + / -...) and thus turn it into one. Try to "fly" into lock-on (without a joystick - I do not recommend it).
                  About overload. Take a look at the history of aerobatics. Back in the early 2000s, it was believed (in all seriousness) that the 9g limit is now the 12g norm for B / M.
                  1. Kuranov V.
                    Kuranov V. 8 February 2015 01: 21
                    0
                    and the rocket 70 g rushing - and why is the operator on it?
                    1. ACKiPaPa,
                      ACKiPaPa, 8 February 2015 02: 10
                      +1
                      and the rocket 70 g rushing - and why is the operator on it?

                      Well, that's what you dear turned down. "Crotal-NG", EURO-SAM, S-400 - no more than 30 g, okay, up to 40 g, and then, on the active part of the trajectory.
                      1. Kuranov V.
                        Kuranov V. 8 February 2015 10: 23
                        0
                        ok, let it be 30 - and still the pilot’s bones will crack
                2. ACKiPaPa,
                  ACKiPaPa, 8 February 2015 01: 50
                  0
                  Another factor In favor of man ... A bit naive, but remember the movie "Buck Rogers in the 21st century". There, too, everyone fought on AI and lost. For ANY even the most complex algorithm IS CALCULATED, there is no way to create an illogical AI, and this is what sometimes brings victory.
                  Now regarding the remote control: ANY communication channel can be "crushed" (except for the cable, and that is cut, and the length (su34 is about 2000 km.) Is not serious), even if an EMP-neutron bomb, .. "Stone Age" can be arranged, especially the pilots are needed, because any AI's brains will "boil" - there is no alternative to PEOPLE !!! And the closer they are to driving the car, the better.
                  1. Kuranov V.
                    Kuranov V. 8 February 2015 10: 22
                    0
                    and how do you drag powerful EW into enemy territory? On an airbus? ..
                    1. ACKiPaPa,
                      ACKiPaPa, 11 February 2015 19: 15
                      0
                      ICBMs - that's that simple.
                      1. Kuranov V.
                        Kuranov V. 11 February 2015 19: 17
                        0
                        and with what cast mass? am
  13. fa2998
    fa2998 6 February 2015 14: 47
    +2
    Quote: Magic Archer
    Like there was a Discovery program. About the armaments of the future. Here the American specialist voiced approximate requirements for the aircraft of the future. Hypersound, flight with the possibility of reaching low Earth orbit, unmanned! In short, a super Shuttle. I think about the same requirements will be with our 6 generation aircraft hi

    Do not look at Discovery night. You can say anything — an airplane using its own engines and fuel will not be able to go into orbit, at least 7 generations of 10. A rocket launcher is needed. Maximize to accelerate to hypersound and make a jump in the stratosphere, and slowly descend. Sorry, physics. hi
  14. NEXUS
    NEXUS 6 February 2015 15: 54
    -2
    There are some hypotheses about the properties that 6 generation fighters will have. I think this is primarily hypersonic speed. The second is of course inconspicuous. Further, this is the ability to fight in two or three environments. But for 6 generation fighters, the weapons will also be different. Perhaps something similar to a rail cannon, maybe a plasma weapon, again missiles but more compact, accurate, high-speed and universal (that is, with one missile both on the surface and on the ship and on the plane, and maybe by satellite). without IO. And Ist ebiteli will either unmanned or with one pilot paired with AI samoleta.Chto regards most of the power plant, I believe that the engine will run on these machines quite different physical and zakonam.Poetomu and hypersonic speed and the ability to move in two or three environments.
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    2. opus
      opus 6 February 2015 18: 30
      +2
      Quote: NEXUS
      I think this is primarily hypersonic speed.

      what to do at gpz speed? Just to fly? Start BC how?
      Opening the BO flaps is the same as releasing brake flaps on supersonic on the MIG-29
      Quote: NEXUS
      The second is of course stealth

      -LA flying at hypersonic speed - it’s like a meteorite entering the atmosphere, it is easily fixed and is accompanied by both an ECO and a radar (changed EMF of the medium, density / jumps)


      -composite materials will not withstand the braking temperature of the air flow, SR-71 was heated (and expanded 20min) to 350gr.С, but it only had 3М
      Quote: NEXUS
      Further, this is the ability to fight in two or three environments

      in air and in water?

      In the atmosphere and space?
      Then you will need a pH

      What would "accelerate"

      Quote: NEXUS
      Perhaps something similar to a rail gun, maybe a plasma weapon, again rockets but more compact

      1.How do you fit such a fool on an aircraft?

      2. How to provide such a fool with electricity (17 kW fighter generator)

      3. What is the point in such a foolishness, if the generator is not a controlled projectile (and its speed is finite), how to aim (and even on hypersound), how to "calculate" the meeting point with the target, if the platform is flying at gpz speed?
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      2. opus
        opus 6 February 2015 18: 33
        +2
        4.A "plasma" fluff? Why was the plazer born? Which spits plasma, spitting on the atmosphere? And how to "accelerate" the plasma spit? Plasma is quasi-neutral (in the sense of electric charge), TOKOMAK ONBOARD? And after leaving the plasser?

        Again, what to cool the diffuser with? Water to take on board and dump boiling water overboard? Then An-Xnumx is required
        Quote: NEXUS
        will work on these machines according to completely different physical laws

        Until they reach "other physical laws", the 6th generation aircraft will disappear even from aviation museums
      3. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 8 February 2015 17: 55
        0
        It is not necessary to use weapons on hypersound; it reduced the speed to supersonic for 3 seconds to use weapons and again switch to hypersound. In addition, in hypersound, you can maneuver and get away from most modern air defense missiles. To prevent a person from being crushed by overloads, the cabin can be filled with water.
        1. yehat
          yehat 9 February 2015 22: 21
          0
          Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
          To prevent a person from being crushed by overloads, the cabin can be filled with water.
          This is almost +1 ton of weight. Possible solution
          but it is unlikely to go into business, as well as variable geometry for an instant-23
  15. Vadim237
    Vadim237 6 February 2015 16: 12
    -4
    For a sixth generation aircraft, they will create a plasma-remote hypersonic engine.
    1. opus
      opus 6 February 2015 18: 09
      +4
      Quote: Vadim237
      plasma distance hypersonic engine.

      as soon as the word DETONATION is written correctly, in the context of "detonation" we will start, and so will create.
      For reference: there is no plasma detonation. Plasma "thing" is fragile, it would be RETAINED and not tormented by detonations

      there are pulse detonation (pulsating detonation) engines

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      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 6 February 2015 22: 08
        -2
        I made a mistake - set fire to the working mixture using plasma ignition at hypersonic speed.
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        2. opus
          opus 7 February 2015 13: 29
          +2
          Quote: Vadim237
          I made a mistake - set fire to the working mixture using plasma ignition at hypersonic speed.

          = Did you mean flame holder?
          Not needed.
          1. The temperature in the compressor is very high (compression in the diffuser, braking) - up to 3000К
          2. The hottest combustion products range inside the core of the combustion chamber, not along the wallsdirect injection of TC into the stream.
          3. To maintain stable combustion (supersonic), pyrophoric additives are usually used in the fuel component (easier, cheaper, more profitable, more reliable, and important: ignition / combustion rate)
      3. gridasov
        gridasov 10 February 2015 12: 12
        0
        One glance is enough to talk not about the performance of this engine. but about the limits of its effective work. It has a flaw in the initial work process
  16. opus
    opus 6 February 2015 18: 06
    +2
    Quote: Author Ryabov Kirill
    Russia and the USA will develop sixth generation fighters


    Frightened so, shaw almost myocardial infarction did not happen!
    TOGETHER TOGETHER, TOGETHER, like the ISS ...
    But no ...
    feel better belay
  17. geolive
    geolive 6 February 2015 18: 44
    +1
    All this is ridiculous! Fifth generation aircraft do not really know how to fly, and they have already waved at 6.
  18. Concealer
    Concealer 6 February 2015 21: 48
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    Or maybe we really do not need a universal military aircraft? Can even create an airplane at the modern level of technical development is not an effective solution? Maybe take a different path?
    Let's determine exactly what goals and objectives are performed by modern universals:
    1. Fighting enemy aircraft;
    2. The performance of air defense functions;
    3. The bombing of targets;
    4. Direct support of the advancing / defending forces;
    5. Demonstration of presence in airspace.
    I have not forgotten anything?
    Now let's determine how effectively they do it:
    1. Fighting enemy aircraft
    In fact, modern air defense systems far exceed the capabilities of a modern fighter. Moreover, they are much cheaper and more efficient.
    2. The performance of air defense functions;
    Again, modern air defense systems are much more effective than a fighter interceptor. On the other hand, it is necessary to place the air defense guidance system as high as possible to increase the visibility of the control zone. It seems to me that a maneuvering satellite or their network will cope best. Or maybe just a high-altitude probe.
    3. The bombing of targets.
    Of course, I could be wrong, but modern tactical and cruise missiles are constantly being improved and they can perform this function much better. And promising hypersonic missiles make death delivery almost instantaneous, and the probability of stopping them will only decrease. There is no need to give this function to another aircraft other than the carrier rockets. So, you need such a large transport, and preferably with an air defense system.
    4. Direct support of advancing / defending forces
    Here it turns out that you can’t do without an airplane. And no UAV or smart missile can replace it. Since decisions must be made in the context of the situation, act quickly and wisely.
    5. Demonstration of presence in airspace.
    Since the main weapon, and the most threatening weapon, in the world today is rockets, we need a huge transport for delivering missiles and preferably equipped air defense.
  19. Concealer
    Concealer 6 February 2015 22: 31
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    If we summarize all these goals and objectives of the aircraft of the future, it becomes completely clear that two devices are required:
    1. A missile carrier aircraft with a maximum stock of missiles and equipped with an air defense system.
    2. The plane itself is a battlefield.
    In the framework of option 1, the basic requirement justified by the law of physics is absolutely clear - who is higher is stronger. Therefore, in fact, a device capable of entering orbit should be considered. In addition, such a device must have a maximum period of stay in air or in orbit, it must be secretive at the same time and demonstrate its presence. I immediately recall the projects of nuclear aircraft and spacecraft ...
    Option 2, despite the conflicting requirements for the battlefield aircraft, at the modern technical level, may well be implemented in a fundamentally different quality. The development of modern computer systems allows you to create a device that relies in attack on the exceptional speed of use of weapons. Simply put, we can very well create a device equipped with a fully automatic combat system, where the role of the pilot is reduced to directive control. In fact, in such a machine, the pilot will only develop an application strategy by choosing possible tactics for application developed by the computer, and the battle itself will be carried out by a fully automated weapon system. This will allow you to fight at speeds and modes beyond human capabilities. Moreover, even a city battle will be available for such a machine. The main advantage of such an apparatus will be precisely the speed, over maneuverability and accuracy of the use of weapons. Such a device will be invulnerable to humans, and the fight against it can be carried out exclusively by similar automatic systems. It means that the enemy’s manpower and light armored vehicles should be optimal targets for such a machine. In addition, the presence of super-fast reactions and super-fast weapons systems allows you to use this unit at minimum altitudes, use covert penetration in a given area and attack at maximum speeds, which simultaneously solves the problem of protection against air defense systems and any automatic defense systems. It will no longer be an airplane in the full sense of the word, it is a completely different vehicle.
    Rather, it will be an ekranoplane, for an economical and secretive penetration of an attack position, an ekranoplane equipped with a weight-to-weight ratio of more than one, allowing it to literally throw aside opponents at the time of the attack and allowing it to leave the danger zone as quickly as possible. And the main weapons will be precisely small-caliber guns and light machine guns equipped with ultra-precise and ultra-fast guidance. The effect of the use of such an apparatus will be like from a carpet bombardment or missile strike, in terms of loss of manpower and light equipment, but while maintaining selective application on the course. At the same time, its use will be cheaper than carpet bombing or a massive missile strike and will be accompanied by less damage. And further improvement of computer systems will enable the device to be endowed with the ability to learn together with the pilot. We will get the perfect alloy of man and machine, devoid of the shortcomings of each of them. No UAV is even theoretically capable of competing with such a decision.
    As for the crazy idea of ​​creating a hypersonic fighter, just think about where you will find such a pilot who can control it or survive his maneuvers. It doesn’t occur to anyone to control spacecraft manually.
    Your opinion? Waiting for criticism.
    1. Yuri from Volgograd
      Yuri from Volgograd 8 February 2015 00: 48
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      I am an amateur, but I understand that a person is already at the limit of his capabilities in aviation. It is likely that the next generation will be unmanned, in the first place, in order to push the laws of physics even more famously.
      But I don’t agree with the theory of ekranoplan as a fighter is a dead end. There is little such a field for maneuver and there will be big problems with speed. Here is a transport carrier or a missile carrier, then yeah ...
  20. Alex Nick
    Alex Nick 6 February 2015 22: 49
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    Why is all this necessary? Let the rockets and electronics be 26 generations, and then why torment the plane? He already shakes out the last guts from the pilots.
  21. Metlik
    Metlik 7 February 2015 14: 44
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    It is necessary to consider the possibility of vertical take-off and landing as the ability of fighters of the 6th generation. Such an aircraft can suddenly appear and disappear unexpectedly on radar.
  22. fero
    fero 7 February 2015 16: 41
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    With the Russian level of technology and technology, the 5th generation has not yet mastered, and only thought about the sixth. Ridiculous by God. Desires from the series "Rogozin - Russia will build a base on the Moon" wassat with the Russian budget ...
    Until the troops have at least 50 cars, until they fly off to a complete write-off, what kind of 6th generation are we talking about? And what characteristics distinguish this generation?
  23. Yuri from Volgograd
    Yuri from Volgograd 8 February 2015 00: 31
    +1
    Given the exorbitant prices for the fifth generation, there is a possibility that there may be a rollback from the fifth. Like the same F22, which turned out to be extremely pacifist because of the fear of losing it.
    If they still collect the sixth generation, then they will probably even be forbidden to fly on it, so that God forbid what would happen to him)
  24. DUMYCH
    DUMYCH 9 February 2015 06: 03
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    Or fantasy, or reality. Something is not right in this car. Why the hell out of the air above and below?
    1. Kir
      Kir 9 February 2015 23: 07
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      Swiss knifeSwiss knifethe clip with the sim is not bad, and apparently from a series of creations of alternatives, and it will become of them. The city is more interesting than the story with the "Swiss knife" - a forward-swept aircraft + variable geometry, here it is supposedly on the aircraft carrier [media = http: //ac.mx3g.com/forum/day_110825/1108252145ea0e141ce
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      1. gridasov
        gridasov 10 February 2015 12: 14
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        Gradually, gradually, everyone moves to the disk-shaped form of the aircraft. They would have known why, then they would have immediately understood what needs to be done
  25. Dmitry Anokhin
    Dmitry Anokhin 9 February 2015 15: 52
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    A very interesting thought came to me: I would call it "the right duck", by the way, related to today's inquisitive minds and hands in alternative energy ...
    In the long-standing TV show "The Obvious Incredible" a feature film (I don't remember the name) was staged, the meaning is this:
    The idea is launched of the possibility of some such thing (in the film, an inventor with a satchel behind his back flies as he pleases. Instead, he dies and a bunch of wires remain), with examples, unsaid facts, etc. etc. and perplex the designer and he achieves his, in the prototype. There are no such technologies yet, but there is a prototype, moreover, it is not working according to what laws.
    It is possible that this is part of the future 6th generation aircraft.
    Science fiction writers also had ideas that are now embodied. But it is possible for our designers and the military to carefully analyze the network forums, it is possible that they will find notions-requirements for the 6th from the members of the forum.
    At one time, I came across Mr. Vekselberg’s mining enterprises and received a question from the management team: I need ideas for development, the most insane and incredible for various areas of human activity. Also, by the way, the right approach.
    He proposed for development a serial exo-skeleton, as in "Aliens", when the female was thrown into space.
    Oh, very useful stuff in the serial production release.
    1. Kuranov V.
      Kuranov V. 10 February 2015 11: 59
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      This Fantastic World, sixth edition
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X8tWcvZF3o
  26. Dmitry Anokhin
    Dmitry Anokhin 10 February 2015 15: 00
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    Thank you, be sure to refresh my memory.