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Kazakhstan is interested in Su-30CM fighters

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During the working visit to Irkutsk, the Commander-in-Chief of the Air Defense Forces (SVO) of Kazakhstan, Nurlan Ormanbetov, discussed the possibility of purchasing new Su-30CM 4 ++ super-maneuverable fighter jets, the blog reports Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.




Ormanbetov visited Irkutsk aviation The factory, having familiarized itself with the production of various aircraft, also held a series of negotiations, during which the prospects for military-technical cooperation between the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan within the framework of the CSTO were discussed.

“In the near future, the Kazakh Air Force will be replenished with new super-maneuverable Su-30CM fighters of the 4 ++ generation. This will significantly increase the reliability of the protection of the air borders of the Republic of Kazakhstan ", - stated in the material.

In addition, a group of engineering and flight personnel of the aviation units of Kazakhstan arrived at the Irkutsk Aviation Enterprise for theoretical retraining for new equipment.

The Director General of the Irkutsk Aviation Plant, Alexei Veprev, noted that the Su-30CM is a unique, super-maneuverable fighter, the power units of which have controlled thrust vectoring.

“Aviation specialists will be able to prepare Kazakh pilots and engineering staff for the Kazakh Air Force in a short time,” he said.

In turn, Ormanbetov stressed that this "multi-purpose aircraft will significantly increase the combat potential of the Air Defense Forces", and its technical capabilities "will allow to achieve a high level of training for flight personnel."
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  1. nik6006
    nik6006 5 February 2015 10: 27
    -3
    They would have already waited for PAKF, and taken from fifty, then 30 would have slept quietly for the next years!
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 5 February 2015 10: 28
      +13
      It’s a sin not to get interested in such excellent airplanes, Russia will help Kazakhstan to acquire our fighters, allies after all.
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 5 February 2015 11: 58
        +4
        Quote: Thought Giant
        Russia will help Kazakhstan acquire our fighters,


        Generally, the pearl is outstanding ... laughing
        1. Genry
          Genry 5 February 2015 13: 23
          -2
          Quote: Semyon Semyonich
          The Director General of the Irkutsk Aviation Plant, Alexei Veprev, noted that the Su-30CM is a unique, super-maneuverable fighter, the power units of which have controlled thrust vectoring.


          There is also a pearl hand-divider. After all, this aircraft does not have a controlled thrust vector, although due to the PGO it has the characteristic of super-maneuverable.
          1. Ustin
            Ustin 5 February 2015 13: 48
            +3
            There were no such statements, the figment of the fantasies of journalists, and PGO, for some reason, does not give super-maneuverability.
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            2. gjv
              gjv 5 February 2015 15: 19
              0
              Quote: Genry
              Indeed, this aircraft does not have a controlled thrust vector, although due to the PGO it has the characteristic of super-maneuverable.

              Quote: Ustin
              and PGO, for some reason, does not give super-maneuverability

              PGO - such small "wings" - cannot effectively steer a 20 - 30 ton vehicle. They will be blown off at flight speeds. Even the tail unit does not fully control the aircraft. This is all for balancing lift and for longitudinal and lateral stability when changing course.
              The main taxiing - this is the roll in the direction of rotation of the aircraft in the air - is provided by the difference in the direction of the lift forces of the wings (flaps are issued in different directions, while the tail rudder is also deflected). Well, in the case of the Su-30SM - of course, also an engine with OVT. Something like this.
              1. Ustin
                Ustin 6 February 2015 04: 22
                0
                About CDS have not yet been mentioned.
          2. The
            The 5 February 2015 14: 26
            +1
            How is it not - if you do not know do not write.
          3. gjv
            gjv 5 February 2015 14: 45
            +2
            Quote: Genry
            There is also a pearl hand-divider. After all, this aircraft does not have a controlled thrust vector

            Probably the "breeder manager" is still a little aware of what is being done at his plant:
            On the Su-30SM there are two “AL-31FP” turbofan engines (P - rotary, in the photo - an engine with a turned nozzle) with a thrust vector. Thrust vector deflection angles: ± 16 ° in any direction, ± 20 ° in the plane. Thrust vector deflection rate 60 ° / s.
            Here is a video of the flight of the Su-30SM at MAKS-2013 . At 1:02, the operation of the nozzles of the Su-30SM engines is clearly visible, changing the direction of the jet flow and the dimensions of the output sections in all directions.
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          5. Wiruz
            Wiruz 5 February 2015 16: 32
            0
            After all, this aircraft does not have a controlled thrust vector

            Here it is not necessary to be clever while being unenlightened in this area. AL-31F does not have OVT, AL-31FP (serial for Su-30SM) - it does.

            Z.Y. Watch the performance of the Su-30SM at the MAKS in 2013
      2. Sergei1982
        Sergei1982 5 February 2015 12: 26
        +3
        It’s a sin not to get interested in such excellent airplanes, Russia will help Kazakhstan to acquire our fighters, allies after all.
        And if I’m not mistaken in the CSTO countries, military equipment from Russia is supplied at Russian prices.
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    3. Sergey-8848
      Sergey-8848 5 February 2015 10: 29
      +10
      But even this one is handsome!
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      2. alexng
        alexng 5 February 2015 10: 42
        +19
        But these krasatul are made at Irkut. Thanks to my son - he takes part in the development of these machines. The truth is now transferred to the MS-21, i.e. the development of this samul is completed and now the equipment remains and the Yak-242 will be lifted into the sky for flight tests this year.
        1. aleks 62
          aleks 62 5 February 2015 10: 57
          0
          But these krasatul are made at Irkut.

          ...... not only on "Irkut" ..... hi
      3. nicolay338
        nicolay338 5 February 2015 11: 15
        +1
        Not just a handsome man, but the best fighter in the world wink
      4. Serzh73
        Serzh73 5 February 2015 11: 49
        +1
        And not just handsome, but handsome ++
    4. negative33
      negative33 5 February 2015 10: 40
      +6
      PAK FA needs to be kept for a while, until we develop something new. And then you never know how to pull to Europe.
    5. avt
      avt 5 February 2015 10: 42
      +13
      Quote: nik6006
      Would have waited for PACF

      Well, let us let us wait for it ourselves, especially with standard engines - a fair amount of time will bring the car to mind, but here we’ve mastered the production car.
      Quote: Lindon
      Already paid - once the pilots are trained at the plant.

      They paid - they’ll do it — fly, it’s not 90s, when they made cars one at a time in the factories, there weren’t even new ones for themselves and the Kazakhs took spare parts and used Su-27 for Baikonur’s rent.
      1. nik6006
        nik6006 6 February 2015 00: 28
        +1
        Actually, they sold the PACF to the Indians, are preparing for a tender in Korea, they write that the export version is getting ready for the 2018 year, including the double version for the Indians and for itself for 2020, and the 2022 version for Iran. You can export with the current engine, but for yourself an advanced version with a regular engine. In short, the movement is in full swing. So why not the Kazakhs connect, stand in line, so to speak. Moreover, from the MIG-31 they are already old, and there are many borders, PAKFA would also be very useful for them.
    6. demel2
      demel2 5 February 2015 11: 27
      +4
      Quote: nik6006
      Would have waited for PACF

      It’s better to hold a tit in your hands, while it’s not known what the PAK FA will bring to mind, but they can come up with some kind of spring.
    7. vodolaz
      vodolaz 5 February 2015 11: 37
      +3
      Quote: nik6006
      They would have already waited for PAKF, and taken from fifty, then 30 would have slept quietly for the next years!

      PAKs may not deliver first, most likely they will make an export option.
      1. Penelope
        Penelope 5 February 2015 11: 44
        +2
        In general, our planes are cool, but what is the aesthetics? According to Tupolev - a beautiful plane and flies beautifully.
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      3. Andrey KZ
        Andrey KZ 5 February 2015 11: 47
        +6
        most likely they will do an export option.
        They said that prices and equipment for Kazakhstan would be the same as for the Russian Army.
        1. marshes
          marshes 5 February 2015 11: 54
          +5
          Quote: Andrey KZ
          They said that prices and equipment for Kazakhstan would be the same as for the Russian Army.

          Hi Andrew.
          It can be upgraded before us. Install lightning-3 containers.
          1. Andrey KZ
            Andrey KZ 5 February 2015 12: 03
            +2
            Quote: marshes
            It can be upgraded before us. Install lightning-3 containers.

            Hello! I think it will be problematic to integrate. For the tasks of our army, the capabilities of the SU-30CM are more than enough.
            1. marshes
              marshes 5 February 2015 12: 14
              +2
              Quote: Andrey KZ
              For the tasks of our army, the capabilities of the SU-30SM are more than enough.

              Let's see. In what quality they will use it. It is quite possible it will be in the budget version.
              And over time, we may lead up to the Su-27BM2 version, in armament.

              http://lenta.ru/news/2010/06/29/su27ubm2/
              1. Semurg
                Semurg 5 February 2015 14: 12
                +3
                Salam of the Marshes. Our KNB seems to have turned on. In Kostanay they took two who fought in Ukraine and in Ustkaman they took four who were going to fight in Syria. Finally, our state appreciated the threats from such warriors. In Syria, up to 300 people from Kazakhstan are fighting, but how many in Ukraine? It will be interesting for them to give the same terms, those that have already been fought with Kostanay and those that have just gathered from Ustkaman to go to war.
                1. marshes
                  marshes 5 February 2015 14: 20
                  +2
                  Quote: Semurg
                  Our KNB seems to have turned on

                  Yes, they didn’t turn off when they just turned off the law, they will now work. Previously, prosecutors were indignant that the case could have crumbled in court, well, in short ... wink
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            2. Andrey KZ
              Andrey KZ 5 February 2015 12: 49
              +4
              Quote: Andrey KZ
              I think it will be problematic to integrate

              I will refute myself wink I read that SU-30СМ has an open architecture, there should be no problems with integration. In general, there is very little information on this device, except for the size and type of the engine, it did not google anything. Who has detailed information, share, very interesting.
              1. marshes
                marshes 5 February 2015 12: 55
                +2
                Quote: Andrey KZ
                In general, there is very little information on this device,

                There, the prices on the wiki are different for the Russian army and for India.
                With a full "superfood stuffing", the price per piece can exceed 100 lam.
                1. Rustam
                  Rustam 5 February 2015 13: 09
                  +4
                  swamps (1) KZ Today, 12:55 ↑
                  There, the prices on the wiki are different for the Russian army and for India.


                  The price for the Russian Air Force went to the regional 28 million US, the Indian is more expensive in the region of 60 (well, this is natural) and SM, this is the prototype of the most advanced MKM Malaysian Air Force,the most advanced in the SU-30 line (pictured with the French pod Damocles)

                  ps- moreover, in the version of the Air Force SM of the Russian Federation, the systems of French, and even Indian manufacturers (Thales-Sagem, etc.) are used with might and main
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 5 February 2015 13: 11
                    +2
                    Quote: Rustam
                    The price for the Russian Air Force took place in a regional 28 million US

                    And what are the prices for MIG-35?
                    1. Rustam
                      Rustam 5 February 2015 13: 16
                      +4
                      swamps (1) KZ Today, 13:11

                      And what are the prices for MIG-35?


                      There is no announced price (but it is big) since the RF Ministry of Defense refused (so far) to purchase it, but placed an order for 16 new SMT (which are in the series)

                      MIG-35 is not in the series and naturally the price will be big, the same SU-30 from Irkut how many years in the series, naturally, with such production the price is lower.
                      1. marshes
                        marshes 5 February 2015 13: 20
                        +2
                        Quote: Rustam
                        MIG-35 is not in the series and naturally the price will be big, the same SU-30 from Irkut how many years in the series, naturally, with such production the price is lower.

                        In general, Mikoyanovtsy develop some version of the budget LFI?
                      2. Rustam
                        Rustam 5 February 2015 13: 30
                        +3
                        marshes

                        in general Mikoyanovtsy develop some version of the budget LFI?


                        What for ? with the 5th generation it’s muffled (although rumors circulated) and right now there’s no extra money, they will modernize and improve the basis of 29k, the main version will be
                        MiG-29M / M2 - the truth The Chinese with their cheap J-10 climb, but here Rostec should work in third world countries (they recently crushed the UAC)

                        In general, difficult years for RSK MIG while they passed (the state and the Hindus helped not to die), the first bought the Algerian order, the second financed, and practically created an excellent ship version, as well as work on modernization of combat units, and our fleet also ordered the air force, but you have to butt off the markets.
                      3. marshes
                        marshes 5 February 2015 13: 36
                        +1
                        Quote: Rustam
                        improve base 29ku

                        You are well versed in prices, 29 "empty-base" on what will be today?
          2. Kasym
            Kasym 6 February 2015 00: 22
            +2
            Andrey, welcome! Su-30SM - fighter-bomber. Strike aircraft. Suspend a hanging container (laser rangefinder, thermal imager, optics, etc.) and go. There was a problem with him, at least in 2013, but there are Lightnings and Domocles. It is mistakenly believed that it is more educational, because sparka. Many consider it the most successful modernization of the Su-27. Su-30SM originates from the Algerian Su-30MKA, and the progenitor of all Su-30 Su-27PU. Su-30SM - Cool Car !!!
            It differs from the Su-35 in engines, avionics, "spark". But the Su-30SM can actually carry 8 tons per 1 km.
            Well, as a fighter he is GOOD (some roots). Radar modernized "Bars" with HEADLIGHTS (tracking 15 and firing at 4 targets; detection: type MiG-29 - 60-140 km; tanks, group-40 km; destroyer-80 km).
            Large assortment of weapons: AP built-in 30 mm; NURSY; bombs up to 1,5t .; a wide range of explosives and VP: R-77, R-73, R-27, X-31, etc.
            Well, since the Su-30SM from Irkut, they will probably be with PGO.
            All info taken from the comments of Odyssey and the VAF. Well, if you got it wrong, then don’t be angry.
        2. Rustam
          Rustam 5 February 2015 12: 52
          +4
          Andrey KZ KZ Today, 12:03 ↑
          I think it will be problematic to integrate


          There are no problems (for the Kazakh Air Force with access to advanced Western systems), if you want Israeli (in the photo clickable SU-30MKI of the Indian Air Force) you want French - this is still a problem for the Russian Air Force - no pods, no hangars, no French construction helmets, it wouldn’t have a price.
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  • Kolka82
    Kolka82 5 February 2015 10: 28
    +6
    Once again, you feel proud that you are a citizen of a great power!
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 February 2015 10: 28
    +11
    Maybe I’ll say stupidity, but who can Kazakhstan hope for? In addition to the sincere support of Russia, no one else on mutually beneficial terms will shoulder a shoulder.
    1. Cosmos1987
      Cosmos1987 5 February 2015 10: 33
      +9
      That's right, our president is a wise politician, he sees what is happening in the world and you understand everything well. The West is only using (Gaddafia), and Russia will always support a friendly country (Syria), but litter like the Baltic states and Poland does not want to be at all.
      1. Scandinavian
        Scandinavian 5 February 2015 10: 48
        -1
        Immediately the exercises began to be carried out, BMP 2, Matybulak training ground. Imagine which of our military fighters. There is a parallel with the Ukrainian military. Much in common.
        1. Yura
          Yura 5 February 2015 10: 59
          +2
          Quote: Scandinavian
          Imagine which of our military fighters. There is a parallel with the Ukrainian military. Much in common.

          It doesn’t hurt affectionately, what is it? Maybe everything is ahead, learn?
          1. Zymran
            Zymran 5 February 2015 17: 19
            +1
            Just held a recent exercise to repel the separatists.

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/rolling_news/2015/01/150116_rn_kazakhstan_army_sepa
            ratists_drill? SThisFB
        2. Take
          Take 2 May 2015 19: 48
          0
          Scandinavian inappropriately pi .... put a! The fighters we have are normal no worse than yours.
  • Abbra
    Abbra 5 February 2015 10: 29
    +1
    Good deal. Only we will not forget about our army ...
  • Magic archer
    Magic archer 5 February 2015 10: 29
    +2
    We have goods, you have a merchant! Pay! And you will have magnificent aircraft in service! Ask the Indians, they will confirm good
    1. Lindon
      Lindon 5 February 2015 10: 35
      +7
      Quote: Magic Archer
      We have goods, you have a merchant! Pay! And you will have magnificent aircraft in service! Ask the Indians, they will confirm good


      Already paid - once the pilots are trained at the plant.
      Indians have another modification - export.
      For the Collective Security Treaty Organization, it’s the same as in the Russian troops.
  • _Alexei_
    _Alexei_ 5 February 2015 10: 29
    +1
    it would be nice for cash, and not for debt
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 5 February 2015 16: 20
      +6
      As of mid-January, all gold reserves of the Republic of Kazakhstan amounted to $ 102,5 billion (an increase over 2014 of over 7%). And in December it was over 105 billion. It can be assumed where the difference went. But in general, based on sanctions, the RK has probably already paid.
      GDP in 2014 signed documents, and the Duma approved, according to which we buy military equipment at domestic prices.
      I am interested in what quantity purchased. We have a MiG-31 (and each year three of them undergo repairs in Russia) a little less than 40 pcs., Su-27 with repair in Belarus; both of them appeared after the collapse of the USSR. It turns out that from the CA countries we have the strongest air forces (after such an acquisition) so that the Uzbeks do not speak. The raid is also decent - in 2011. wrote about 150 hours. Therefore, there should not be big problems with retraining.
      This is the FIRST NEWS for the fighter aircraft of the Republic of Kazakhstan since the collapse of the USSR. I can imagine how the pilots' eyes are "burning" now in Irkutsk. Radar with HEADLIGHTS, engines with UVT, new avionics, a wide range of weapons. I think that the first cars will go to our aerobatic team "Barsa Zhetysu". hi
  • silver_roman
    silver_roman 5 February 2015 10: 35
    +4
    Druzhany (Kazakhs) also sensed a singe ...
    By the way, why is there an aerodynamic brake behind the flashlight on the su-30SM (MK2, MKI, etc.), but is it absent on the su-35? who is in the know? due to what su-35 performs braking (in addition to ailerons)?
    Apparently removed as unnecessary, but also apparently something new appeared that took over this function.
    1. aleks 62
      aleks 62 5 February 2015 11: 00
      -1
      Is there an aerodynamic brake behind the lamp, but is it absent on the Su-35?


      ...... And why did you get the idea that he is missing ????? .... The basic model for him is still the same SU-27 .... hi
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 5 February 2015 11: 28
        +3
        Quote: aleks 62
        .. And why did you get the idea that he is missing ????? .... The basic model for him is still the same SU-27 ....

        I certainly could be wrong, but it seems to read somewhere ...
        she had not yet seen in any air show that the su-35 used it.
        1. aleks 62
          aleks 62 5 February 2015 13: 49
          -1
          I certainly could be wrong, but it seems I read somewhere ..... so that the su-35 uses it .....

          ...... If you have not seen him, this does not mean that he is not there .... Read: link: http: //www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/su35.html

          ...... Here, in general, there is complete and very truthful information on your question .... hi
          1. VAF
            VAF 5 February 2015 14: 39
            +2
            Quote: aleks 62
            ..If you have not seen him, then this does not mean that he is not there.


            You confuse with the Su-35 (i.e. T-10M-1-12) of the first generation wink

            1. aleks 62
              aleks 62 5 February 2015 15: 05
              0
              Thank you for the minus .... But the person asked about the SU-35 (it’s exactly in your picture) ..... And the SU-35S (BM) is a completely different machine ... We need to express ourselves more clearly - what was the question, this was received the answer .... And do not play with generations (Sushka) - they are all T-10, only the indices are different ... belay hi
      2. Rustam
        Rustam 5 February 2015 13: 12
        +4
        aleks 62

        And where did you get the idea that he is missing ????? .... The basic model for him is still the same SU-27 ....


        No it is there
        1. aleks 62
          aleks 62 5 February 2015 14: 31
          0
          From the description of the design of the aircraft: ..... part of the gargrot above the front fuel tank compartment brake flap and hydraulic cylinder for its harvesting-release; to protect the communications passing in the garrot under the brake flap from the incoming air flow when the brake flap is released, protective covers are installed under it; .....
          ..... Fully: http: //www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/su35.html
          1. VAF
            VAF 5 February 2015 14: 53
            +3
            Quote: aleks 62
            From the description of the aircraft design: ...


            Do not read carefully .... the design of the aircraft, yes .. but WHAT -? wink

            But what: Su-35 (T-10M) of the first generation (1988).

            The design of the aircraft is similar to the Su-27 with some differences. Normal aerodynamic design with front horizontal tail and two keels. Horizontal plumage and PGO all-turning. The strength and life of the structure is higher than that of the base Su-27.
            The first generation aircraft is equipped with vertical keels, which are different in shape and height from the classic ones for the Su-27 (except for some prototypes built on the basis of the serial Su-27). Keyboard type parachute brake container. In connection with the installation of new types of radars, the contours of the nasal radiolucent cone and the central tail boom have been changed.
            The aerodynamic brake flap with an area of ​​2.6 square meters is located on top of the fuselage behind the cockpit. The deflection angle of the shield is 54 degrees, the release is carried out at instrument speeds of up to 1000 km / h.

            1. aleks 62
              aleks 62 5 February 2015 15: 07
              0
              Do not read carefully .... the design of the aircraft, yes .. but WHAT -?

              ..... The question was about the SU-35, and not about the SU-35S (BM) ..... hi .... So that I read carefully .... lol
      3. VAF
        VAF 5 February 2015 14: 48
        +2
        Quote: aleks 62
        .. And why did you get the idea that he is missing ????? .... The basic model for him is still the same SU-27.


        Yes, but ... with significant changes wink

        Su-35C / T-10BM - aircraft design is completely redesigned using the software package design. The airframe resource was significantly increased, the cutting of the fuselage and airframe parts was changed, the shape of the keels was changed (the shape is closer to the shape of the Su-27 keels), PGO and the brake flap behind the cockpit are missing. The function of the air brake is performed by rudders - with a synchronous deviation to the outside.

    2. adept666
      adept666 5 February 2015 12: 50
      +1
      But is it absent on the Su-35? who is in the know?


      Yes, like PGO. Its functions (brake flap) are performed by differentially deflectable rudders, synchronously deviating in different directions.
      1. aleks 62
        aleks 62 5 February 2015 13: 54
        -2
        Its functions (brake flap) are performed by differentially deflectable rudders, synchronously deviating in different directions.

        ..... Do not write nonsense .... The brake flap is used in the case of damping speed when approaching the landing (and not always), but it is in the air .... And at speeds during evolutions up to 1000 km / h (also in air) .... hi ... I would like to see how it will look in the air during a maneuver - speed damping on a U-turn ..... Your LVs are at a loss for work .... And to turn what ???? belay laughing
        1. VAF
          VAF 5 February 2015 14: 29
          +1
          Quote: aleks 62
          The brake flap is used in the case of damping speed when approaching the landing (and even then not always)


          When braking ALWAYS soldier







          1. aleks 62
            aleks 62 5 February 2015 15: 16
            0
            When braking ALWAYS

            ...... When braking, brakes are used ... And when there is little braking parachute ..... The shield is not always .... I wrote about braking in the air during the approach to landing ...
            1. VAF
              VAF 5 February 2015 16: 39
              +2
              Quote: aleks 62
              . When braking, brakes are used ... And when the braking parachute is small.


              When braking, it is used:

              1. Brake parachute. (Reverse for citizens) and immediately (after 3 seconds) after the throttle on the MG, otherwise later, ie. "when not enough" wassat it will be too late and not effective.
              A typical example .... when they act according to your method .... well, like "... And when there is little and a brake parachute. crying





              2. Interceptors (and Kruger Guards Spoilers) are shorter than anyone than rich hi
              3. But only then ... the brakes wink

              Quote: aleks 62
              . The shield is not always .... I wrote about braking in the air during the approach to landing ...


              And when approaching (i.e., while on the course-glide path), the excess speed is extinguished by the brake flaps (and not .. turns) wink
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        4. gjv
          gjv 5 February 2015 16: 10
          +1
          Quote: aleks 62
          I would like to see how it will look in the air during a maneuver - speed damping on a U-turn ..... Your LVs are working at odds .... But what to turn ????

          Here are the UFO flights at Le Bourget.

          At 5:14, you can see that the rocket is braking "vrazdrai", and at 5:24, continuing to slow down, it turns with a roll (steers its wings, which is the main method of combat turns with a small radius). And with the launch vehicle alone, you won't be able to drive a colossus of 25 - 30 tons with high-speed maneuvers at 1000 - 1500 km / h.
          1. aleks 62
            aleks 62 5 February 2015 16: 48
            -1
            while continuing to slow down, he turns with a roll (steers wings, which is the main method of combat turns with a small radius). And you can’t just steer a launch vehicle alone ...

            ...... I believe that you have more than one hundred hours spent in the air at the helm .... laughing ..... Especially for you .... A controlled coordinated turn in the air is performed in the air with the help of roll (ailerons, all-turning tail, sometimes with the help of wing spoilers) and the operation of the vertical rudders of the tail ... If the turn is done only on the ailerons, then the plane will slide towards the roll .. If only with rudders, then the U-turn will be without roll - "pancake" (as they flew at the dawn of aviation), which in general, under certain conditions, threatens to break into a tailspin ... hi
            1. adept666
              adept666 5 February 2015 17: 25
              -1
              and the work of the vertical rudders of the tail ... If the turn is done only on ailerons, the plane will glide toward the bank ..


              This is all more relevant for supersonic speed, but even for a subsonic cross-signal at the Su-35S course can give a nozzle deviation if the LV cannot be used, however, situations where it is necessary to compensate for the speed and the pyarm in parallel to use the LV tend to zero))) attention to the design of its launcher and compare with the launcher of the same Su-27 they are significantly different.
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        6. adept666
          adept666 5 February 2015 17: 19
          -1
          I would like to see how it will look in the air during a maneuver - speed damping on a U-turn ..... Your LVs are working at odds ....


          And your brain doesn’t work by accident? See how the Su-35S flies. Everything is obvious there. If you think that I'm wrong, then tell me, then why does it quench speed? He has no brake shield laughing

          And what to turn ????


          To do this, there is a horizontal tail, deflectable nozzles and ... the hands are not from one place at the pilot wink
    3. VAF
      VAF 5 February 2015 14: 12
      +5
      Quote: silver_roman
      due to what the su-35 performs braking


      The rudders are used as an "air brake" on the Su-35 - they are deflected in different directions. soldier

  • Hera7
    Hera7 5 February 2015 10: 39
    0
    How beautiful he is! And how many problems he can deliver to enemies! Proud of our aviation.
  • Simara
    Simara 5 February 2015 10: 49
    +2
    While China and the Russian Federation have close air defense, we don’t really need to ... and the CSTO is there ... but what do you need are the U and tornadoes points ... this is in case of an invasion from the South what kind of thread of random airborne terrorists ... well, to heap training and the supply of special services ... and more special forces ... ka-52 and other turntables for operations in a mode of not full-scale war but as in hot spots ... and we have enough tanks .. at least if not against NATO then against terrorists .
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 5 February 2015 17: 25
      +4
      I can not agree with you. Without an army there is no country. THIS IS AXIOM.
      Recently, the first messengers of war have been flying in from the sky. Air Defense and Air Force - the first indicator of the country's defense capability. That is, if these two types of troops are technically well equipped, then the state "takes care" of its sovereignty.
      According to my observation. Last year, a Su-27 crashed near Taldy-Kurgan, the crew was killed. Then the former Minister of Defense, as well as the pilot, Altynbaev spoke rather sharply about the state of affairs in the Air Force. Moreover, the plane was recently undergoing repairs. It seems to me at the top that it dawned on me that it makes no sense to repair it further. This is where the purchase came from. We need at least a regiment, but we'll see - they won't tell us how many planes they took. The park of lungs has also worn out: MiG-29 and 23. Last year (in the summer there was a message) the Russian Federation transferred 2 MiG-29s to the Fazatron company for testing the radar with the "Zhuk" phased array. Poghosyan was also removed. I think the MiG-35 is not far off. The National Academy of Sciences laid eyes on it a couple of years ago at our military exhibition.
      Air defense. Recently in Russia24 they talked about the TOP M2 air defense system and it was reported that Kazakhstan was among the buyers of this system. And according to the S-400 system, Russia announced that it would be ready for deliveries to Belarus and Kazakhstan after 2015. Also, the Russian Federation gave us a used S-300 (Bolot knows the modification). Moreover, it should be noted the fact of a joint air defense system for the CSTO countries. Moreover, Kazakhstan is the second most important "sponsor" of the CSTO - and it is not for us to sit and look into the mouth of the Russian Federation (what it will give us). For the army, you need Tunguska (maybe the Shell, but it does not work on the move).
      Point-U was going to (is it?) In our Petropavlovsk.
      Tornado and all long-range art. there are systems (Peony, Tulip). We would have more modern self-propelled guns, "MSTA-S" for example, guns and mortars (cheap and cheerful). It is also better to pay attention to the "Tornado" MLRS family. Moreover, on September 25, 2011, when testing the MLRS "Tornado-G" (Grad) at the Kapustin Yar training ground, the highest military ranks of Russia and Kazakhstan were present. So maybe we already have it. hi
      1. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 5 February 2015 18: 50
        +5
        Quote: marshes
        Levon Mirzoyan personally asked Stalin to increase the quota for the execution of the Kazakh intelligentsia.
        I saw a report on the arrival of Mirzoyan’s grandson in Kazakhstan. Moreover, it stated that how much he had done for the Kazakhs. The old men gave thanksgiving speeches. It was noted that his name was in K-not - Myrzazhan ..
        I do not dispute what you wrote, I just write what I saw and heard. Here it is. And you can’t tell where the truth is and where the lie ..
        Quote: Kasym
        I think that the MiG-35 is just around the corner. The NAS eye laid a pair of eyes on him at our military exhibition a couple of years ago.
        Unfortunately, for political reasons, our "gripen" will not buy, which would be the optimal solution, then, as Bolot-aha writes, it is necessary to seriously consider the Chinese version of Chengdu J-10 as an LPI. Cheap and cheerful.
        Moreover, if you connect the purchase with the opening of the Chinese market for Kazakhstan grain. Well, multi-vector, the notorious is the same .. wink
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 5 February 2015 19: 16
          +4
          Quote: Alibekulu
          I saw a report on the arrival of Mirzoyan’s grandson in Kazakhstan. Moreover, it stated that how much he had done for the Kazakhs. The old men gave thanksgiving speeches. It was noted that his name was in K-not - Myrzazhan ..
          I do not dispute what you wrote, I just write what I saw and heard. Here it is. And you can’t tell where the truth is and where the lie ..


          In my opinion, both are true.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 5 February 2015 20: 11
            +3
            Oh, and you love me about the MiG-29 (35) pin up! I think the VAF then said everything when Semurg appealed to RK about him. What should I add? Except perhaps. Service is the cheapest in class. There are no Western bookmarks in electronics and problems with spare parts (which, at their whim, may be refused). Retraining time will not take much. That Rafal and Grippen will be plugged into the BB in the BB, at least due to UVT. The thrust-weight ratio is the best in the class. Works better on the ground than those Su.
            And all this at domestic prices of the Russian Federation. China, if not quantitatively, then qualitatively superior. Here, cheap-angry is not necessary. And the MiG-35, this J-10 will surpass - no doubt.
            The Su-30SM and MiG-31 are the best in their class aircraft adopted in the Russian Federation (the Su-35S has not yet been adopted). And I am glad that the NAS did not save - honestly, I was afraid of this. So why take anything at the market price when Russia offers the best and cheaper? I don’t get it. hi
        2. marshes
          marshes 5 February 2015 20: 09
          +3
          Quote: Alibekulu
          Unfortunately, for political reasons ours will not buy "Gripen"

          He is a very expensive plane, over 100 lyamov.
  • DEDEDE
    DEDEDE 5 February 2015 10: 58
    -6
    Kazakhstan, no matter how armed, will not pull the war alone with China. Here, on the forum, the Kazakhs like to figure out Armenia’s chances in the event of a conflict with Azerbaijan, forgetting that in the 90s, Armenia defended its independence. And Kazakhstan still develops in ideal conditions. A strong army will be visible in the war.
    1. Bombardier
      Bombardier 5 February 2015 11: 08
      +10
      Why should Kazakhstan fight with China? Some kind of nonsense ... If you wanted to talk about Armenia, you have to write an article, everyone reads it with interest. The Kazakhs are good soldiers .., the main thing is that the command would not fail.
      1. DEDEDE
        DEDEDE 5 February 2015 11: 34
        -7
        Quote: Bombardier
        Why should Kazakhstan fight with China? Some kind of nonsense ... If you wanted to talk about Armenia, you have to write an article, everyone reads it with interest. The Kazakhs are good soldiers .., the main thing is that the command would not fail.

        Based on the logic of users of the site, China is not today, so tomorrow it will attack Japan, the States, Vietnam, Taiwan, etc. But it is much easier to do this with Kazakhstan. I am not happy about this prospect, like some Kazakh comrades who write that in the event of a war between Armenia and Azerbaijan, they would almost volunteer to join the Azerbaijani army.
        1. marshes
          marshes 5 February 2015 11: 48
          +1
          Quote: DEDEDE
          But it is much easier to do this with Kazakhstan.

          But why the hell should he do this? At the same time investing a lot of money in the economy of Kazakhstan, the same thing in Mongolia. He needs strong rear services.
          20 years, Turkestan. The Dashnaks didn’t carry out a massacre on a fig? Could they cope with the Turks, so they fought back here?
          Levon Mirzoyan personally asked Stalin to increase the quota for the execution of the Kazakh intelligentsia.
          1. DEDEDE
            DEDEDE 5 February 2015 12: 02
            0
            Quote: marshes
            Quote: DEDEDE
            But it is much easier to do this with Kazakhstan.

            But why the hell should he do this? At the same time investing a lot of money in the economy of Kazakhstan, the same thing in Mongolia. He needs strong rear services.
            20 years, Turkestan. The Dashnaks didn’t carry out a massacre on a fig? Could they cope with the Turks, so they fought back here?
            Levon Mirzoyan personally asked Stalin to increase the quota for the execution of the Kazakh intelligentsia.

            The shooting of the Kazakh intelligentsia, as well as the Armenian one, was carried out by the Communists Levon Mirzoyan and the company. I specifically write the name and surname of this ghoul with a capital letter, for they shot the Armenians with the same zeal and sent them to Kazakhstan and Altai.
            1. marshes
              marshes 5 February 2015 12: 28
              +1
              Quote: DEDEDE
              exiled Armenians to the same Kazakhstan and Altai.

              Funny and the indigenous population was decreasing at that time.
        2. Max_Bauder
          Max_Bauder 5 February 2015 11: 52
          +3
          Quote: DEDEDE
          that in the event of a war between Armenia and Azerbaijan, they would almost volunteer to join the Azerbaijani army.


          Who is this writing? all the same what to register in the IG
        3. SIvan
          SIvan 5 February 2015 19: 51
          +2
          Why should China attack the CSTO member country? To get a nuclear strike from Russia?
  • propolsky
    propolsky 5 February 2015 11: 07
    +1
    And who such beauty can leave indifferent?
  • Soviet_Union
    Soviet_Union 5 February 2015 11: 13
    +1
    34th and 35th would be another hundred ...
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 5 February 2015 16: 45
      +1
      34th and 35th would be another hundred ...

      It sounds loud, but before you write outright bullshit, think about it - Why are there so many of them in Kazakhstan ???

      Z.Y. Also, frigates 22356 and Amur submarines (those with ten VPU) would not have placed the Kazakh Navy. And those and those in the top ten wink
  • Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 5 February 2015 11: 55
    -1
    These toys have undergone such modernization that not a single model of this class from NATO countries can be compared with them.
  • bort4145
    bort4145 5 February 2015 12: 07
    +7
    Imagine which of our military fighters. There is a parallel with the Ukrainian military. Much in common.


    I know Kazakhs — normal guys, like the same Ukrainians who don’t fight on the side of the ATO.
  • bort4145
    bort4145 5 February 2015 12: 10
    +1
    I am not happy in this prospect, as some Kazakh comrades writing that in the event of a war between Armenia and Azerbaijan, they would almost volunteer to join the Azerbaijani army.


    Main word here "writing", usually these are not the people who are doing, IMHO of course.
  • eternalmotor
    eternalmotor 5 February 2015 12: 39
    +1
    Luxurious car! And the point is not at all in the visual aspects (and they are beautiful, whatever one may say), but in the "brain stuffing". I think there is no equal to "Dry" in the world ...
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 February 2015 13: 02
    +3
    Quote: DEDEDE
    China is not today, so tomorrow it will attack Japan, the States, Vietnam, Taiwan


    Man, are you really friends with your head? I advise you sometimes to read the normal press, but it is not known what. The question immediately arises - how old are you?
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 5 February 2015 13: 11
      +2
      That's right, you need to help friends. You need to sell it if you need it, even with a large installment plan for paying cash.
  • Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 5 February 2015 14: 43
    -3
    This is the problem of small countries that have ruined their economy and industry. Join the Russian Federation and weapons will be free.
    1. marshes
      marshes 5 February 2015 14: 55
      +6
      Quote: Алексей_К
      This is the problem of small countries that have ruined their economy and industry. Join the Russian Federation and weapons will be free.

      Yeah. laughing
      What is not enough oil and gas pie?
    2. VladKZ
      VladKZ 5 February 2015 15: 50
      +8
      Ches word to you here with this paranoid "Enter the composition" to the psychiatrist you need. Well, seriously, Russia has everything, the resources are there, the brains are, only Kazakhstan is not enough. Is there anything else to offer besides "free weapons"?
      The oligarchs? so its enough, its corruption is also enough. It’s better to put things in order for yourself, then you won’t have to call.
    3. Wiruz
      Wiruz 5 February 2015 16: 51
      +3
      Join the Russian Federation and weapons will be free.

      Does Russia need it?
      Joke.
      (No offense to my Kazakh friends).
      Putin asks Nazarbayev:
      - Listen, look, gastras from Kyrgyzstan are working in Moscow for us, from Moldova they are working, from Tajikistan they are working. Why are there no gastras from Kazakhstan?
      - Because they don’t even want to work at home request
    4. Talgat
      Talgat 8 February 2015 03: 09
      +1
      Quote: Алексей_К
      This is the problem of small countries that have ruined their economy and industry. AT


      , although I myself am a supporter of integration and the EAEU, etc. - but sometimes after reading such comments as yours I think - are these authors all right? And how many are there?
  • KnightRider
    KnightRider 5 February 2015 19: 51
    +3
    Well, congratulations to Kazakhstan, the first post-Soviet country to purchase a NEW combat fighter aircraft! Do not forget about the Yak-130 good By the way, when is the delivery of the first batch?
  • Alibekulu
    Alibekulu 5 February 2015 20: 05
    +3
    Quote: Алексей_К
    This is the problem of small countries that have ruined their economy and industry. Join the Russian Federation and weapons will be free.

    We have been looking at the ruble exchange rate for a long time. laughing
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 5 February 2015 20: 11
      0
      We have been looking at the ruble exchange rate for a long time

      Look at the tenge rate laughing
      Then you can look at how Turkmenistan lives and in which cesspool (compared to it) Kazakhstan exists. Although both countries live off oil laughing
      1. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 5 February 2015 20: 34
        +3
        Quote: Wiruz
        Look at the tenge rate
        I look and rejoice .. wink
        Quote: Wiruz
        Then you can look at how Turkmenistan lives and in which cesspool (compared to it) Kazakhstan exists.
        You started a bottle early. Friday tomorrow .. fool
        I was just annoyed by the "Turkmenbashization" of the National Academy of Sciences. No, thanks..
        Quote: Kasym
        Oh, and you love me about the MiG-29 (35) pinned!
        Write to "you". You are older. I missed the "grippen doctor" crying
        Quote: Kasym
        I don’t get it.
        And what is there to understand. Look at how Belarus flies (devaluation), which is tightly focused on the Russian Federation.
        And Kazakhstan differentiated its economic ties ..
        Quote: marshes
        He is a very expensive plane, over 100 lyamov.
        Probably a complete package. Including AWACS aircraft, service, training, spare parts. With Saab, they like the fact that the Swedes pledged to spend a significant percentage of the contract on the purchase of local products.
        And how did he win both Brazilian and Swiss contracts due to his price? request
        Interestingly, they will be cut to the Turks in the fifth generation ..
        1. marshes
          marshes 5 February 2015 21: 00
          +2
          Quote: Alibekulu
          Probably a complete package. Including AWACS aircraft, service, training, spare parts. With Saab, they like the fact that the Swedes pledged to spend a significant percentage of the contract on the purchase of local products.
          And how did he win both Brazilian and Swiss contracts due to his price?
          Interestingly, they will be cut to the Turks in the fifth generation ..

          The price was calculated under a contract in one South American country, the number of aircraft and the amount of the contract, Brazil or something, the price is around 125 lyam apiece. Somehow we discussed it. There are 36 aircraft and then the last 2023. In short, http: // cdn. topwar.ru/37697-brazilskiy-tender-fx2-zavershilsya-pobedo
          y-shvedskogo-samoleta-gripen-ng.html
          Then, so I am an article on this site about an additional service contract.
          In general, about Europeans there is essentially a huge overpayment for the brand. Clearly high taxes, salaries, raw materials are all included in the final cost of the product.
          So money must be considered. Why buy an expensive gelding if there’s nothing to eat.
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 6 February 2015 11: 03
            0
            Who knows in the su-30cm a lot of components from Europe? and these components do not fall under sanctions and anti-sanctions and is there a replacement for them? and how this could affect the supply of aircraft.
          2. Semurg
            Semurg 6 February 2015 11: 03
            0
            Who knows in the su-30cm a lot of components from Europe? and these components do not fall under sanctions and anti-sanctions and is there a replacement for them? and how this could affect the supply of aircraft.
  • KnightRider
    KnightRider 5 February 2015 20: 52
    +1
    May 2014 ... Astana
  • Soviet_Union
    Soviet_Union 6 February 2015 07: 12
    0
    Quote: Wiruz
    Why are there so many of them in Kazakhstan ???

    Consider this a lot?