Ukrspetsexport can supply armored vehicles to Russia

Ukraine is preparing to sign a contract for the supply of armored vehicles to Russia.

According to Interfax-AVN, with reference to Konstantin Lunev, the head of the Ukrainian delegation of the state company Ukrspetsexport at the VIII International Exhibition of military equipment and weapons, which was held in Nizhny Tagil, it is too early to talk about the number of vehicles supplied.

“Yes, we are preparing to sign a contract with Russia in the field of armored vehicles. It’s too early to speak about the type of combat vehicles and their number,” said Lunev.

He noted that representatives of Russia's top military leadership, including Army Chief of Staff General Nikolai Makarov, First Deputy Defense Minister Alexander Sukhorukov, Deputy Defense Minister General of the Army Dmitry Bulgakov, familiarized themselves with the exposition of Ukrainian armored vehicles that was presented at the exhibition in Nizhny Tagil. .

First of all, the Russian military leaders were interested in the infantry fighting vehicle BMP-1M with the Squall combat module.

September 9 reported that Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin visited the Ukrainian stand at the 8 International Arms, Military Equipment and Ammunition Exhibition, the Russian Arms Exhibition. Nizhny Tagil - 2011. The head of the Russian government was presented with the unique for its class technical characteristics of the new Ukrainian tank engine 5ТДФМ, developed by the Kharkiv Engine Design Bureau of Kharkov. Morozova (KMDB).

Comments

[almost demobil]

Probably the Ukrainians BMP-1 is better than our BMP-1.

[Helmut]

In vain. It is necessary to spread rot on the Ukrainian defense industry and in every way undermine the defense capability of Ukraine because there are more chances for unification.

[nickname bj]

Well, yes. They’ve ruined their defense, it's time to take on the Ukrainian.

[ZEBRASH]

Quote: Helmut

In vain. It is necessary to spread rot on the Ukrainian defense industry and in every way undermine the defense capability of Ukraine, because this is more likely to unite

An interesting hypothesis, it just smells like pendos tactics.
Her brothers need to be supported, but not to the detriment of themselves. If you already agreed on the supply of armored vehicles, then it should be really good level.

[Helmut]

If there is a conflict between Ukraine and anyone, if it is Turkey, Hungary, Poland, then let the Ukrainian Armed Forces be weak so that the Russian Federation has to intervene. If the conflict is with Russia, then it is also beneficial that the Ukrainian Armed Forces would quickly disperse by analogy with Georgia and quickly join our ranks. Those. in any case, good APU - weak APU. Only the Russophobe and the enemy of Russia and Ukraine can wish the APU prosperity. And to buy from them something is almost a diversion. Anything that indirectly or directly hinders the unification of Russia and Ukraine is evil and must be pricked.

[ZEBRASH]

Only pendos do this. If we want friendly relations with Ukraine, we need to cooperate and support them. Brotherly peoples after all. Older brothers always support younger ones. But the younger ones should not beg toys from the elders, without giving anything in return

[Graaf]

As for friendship, I agree! But at the expense of begging for something ... what do you mean without giving anything in return? For example, we pay more for gas than Europe. And empty words of the leadership of the Russian Federation that we are freeloaders –– this is how to see who is a freeloader, and who is pumping oil and gas, hiding money in offshore companies and their children in the west, and then if it gets worse, he’ll immediately jerk his skirt out of the country (Russia ) I was amused by questions ... we sell you oil and gas cheaply. Guys - open your eyes. For what is cheap? How many cents do you have for every thousand cubic meters of gas? Then immediately the question is - where do you keep them? Or you have a personal account (as in the Emirates, where everyone is entitled to $ 50000 for the birth of a girl, and $ 100000 for each boy, each year the state pays up to 23 years, $ 5000 to the account until the age of majority). I’m embarrassed to ask - but how much do you like, Comrade Miller (pah, I want to say Muller) I put in your account for the last ... well, allow 2 years? Yes, he generally put on you! That's it!

[ZEBRASH]

I will not discuss our "elite", all these millionaire oligarchs have already bothered. But Ukraine was offered - join the Customs Union - there will be discounts, go to meet Russia - there will be discounts. But Yanukovych looks to the West.

[Splin]

They said Wait and see. You can always get in time, you need to see how this mechanism will work.

[Bogatir]

No way - the CES wrote under Ukraine and Co. To eat-there is no Ukraine.

[Bogatir]

Ukraine is looking to the West. And the CES on milking conditions is naturally not interesting, the experience of the CIS has not taught Russia anything in Russia.

[Lieutenant colonel]

About Yanukovych - sorry. I personally expected his arrival in the hope of equalizing relations with Russia

[Bogatir]

Me too, while he still has some more illusory form of relations with Russia.

[Eric]

We do not want friendly relations with Ukraine! We want to be one people! As it was, and so it will be, regardless of the political situation! AND DOT!

[ZHORA]

Yes) For Ukrainians it is no secret, the true motives and moods of Russians. These are not the views of a friend, these are the views of the enemy! Only a part of the charmed idiots in the southeast remains, but even there their number decreases. The worst years of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex are behind, and now it works to strengthen the defense capability and power of the state of Ukraine. Whether anyone likes it or not!

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Jora, calm down!

It’s not worth rattling the rusty pattern ...
Why are you then the enemy fussing to sell your technique?

Strengthen the defense, make the army, finally (what's left is not the army, sorry, too), restore the fleet (you simply do not have it). No one argues with this, it is necessary - it means it is necessary. Where will you take the money? That then ...

In fact, I think this article is nothing more than trolling our manufacturers. Like "Here you do not move, there we will buy from Ukrainians!"
So it was more than once, so everything is fine, this is purely flood defense. Naturally, nothing will be bought in Ukraine, but ours should also be kept under the club. To not relax.

“Yes, we are preparing to sign a contract with Russia in the field of armored vehicles. It’s too early to speak about the type of combat vehicles and their number,” said Lunev.

Everything is very well laid out.
That is, meaningless pieces of paper just start being printed. And negotiations can take years. It is not clear what we will buy, how much we will also, and the question of price is generally too early to consider. But we CAN buy something. In theory. A kind of "plus sign" addressed to Ukrainian manufacturers. This is an IMHO translation, if that.

[andreypilot]

Are you Ukrainian? Am I on you as an enemy? Are you my real motives to drive you into bondage? Did you get anything wrong? My father served in the GDR, our Nikopol Guards Regiment was one of the best .. Most of the pilots (SNIPER, 1 CLASS)) were from Ukraine, we are from the Urals .. Have you taken the shang from me so that I look at you as an enemy? My friends live in Ukraine and such a nation as you don’t quarrel, your grandfathers didn’t burn your grandfathers or saw at the sawmill .. Beast, teach our story, our common ...

[Bogatir]

In the Soviet army, the best were many - Ukrainians.

[andreypilot]

Do not forget, at the beginning of the power after the 17th year, the Ukrainian Nazis hung Orthodox priests under the banner of revolution .. And the Ukrainian Bolsheviks wrote to Stalin-More bread needs to be removed ..

[Lieutenant colonel]

Yes, and Ukraine is the center of the earth. But what did the Slavs brothers do not give to Saakashvili’s brother’s air defense systems in 08 .. And the Second World War also won the Ukrainians (although the Jewish commissars sent them in packs under enemy fire even without weapons). The best were among Kazakhs and Uzbeks and other nationalities. So do not ...

[zczczc]

Oh, Zhora, Zhora ...

[Lieutenant colonel]

By your logic, if the Russian Air Force so ardently supported by you is standing on the ground? As far as army aviation is concerned. Or you don’t know that 90% of the Russian helicopter fleet engines from Ukraine (by the way, I am against this state of affairs) and not only engines. But this is a question for the government

[montemor]

who thinks the same?

[andreypilot]

I agree, remember the joint project on a transport plane, just words .. I’m worried about Russian as a design bureau of TU and IL, but I also don’t think of Antonov’s design bureau, I need to support the guys ... IMHO, one of the best school of designers in the world ... I It seems that our rulers played with schoolchildren, who are cooler and more unstable ..

[Bogatir]

To support Antonov this is said loudly - in Russia there is nothing like this and a catastrophe in aviation. In addition to Antonov, there are no options, and a direct dependence on Antonov and Ukraine.

[andreypilot]

Do you know that if you produce Antonov’s planes, it’s only in Russia?
yes, this is a cool design bureau, but how many years has it not been able to launch its production in Ukraine? you are not correctly asking the question-we are dependent or the survival of Antonov's design bureau? Let me remind you that the Volga-Dnepr company made an order for modernization and the Russian Air Force placed an order for a dozen an-124s to join their ranks .. and, according to experts, every year it is necessary to produce at least 5 aircrafts ... and where ??? at the Ulyanovsk plant ... You are again trying to go into conflict, there is no, there is mutual assistance .. Well if with your new doctrine, when the Russian Federation is to blame for the famine, then of course we want to eat the Antonov Design Bureau and leave Ukraine without scientists - that's how we goats ... Thank you for reading ..

[Bogatir]

Quote: andreypilot

if to produce Antonov’s planes is it only in Russia?

- Why do you think so? Soon there will be no aircraft industry in Russia, there will be a lousy Pogosyanovsky Western Superjet.

Quote: andreypilot

Let me remind you that the Volga-Dnepr company made an order for modernization and the Russian Air Force placed an order for a dozen An-124 in its ranks

“I know, I know a lot.”

Quote: andreypilot

Russia is guilty of the Holodomor

- This is a mistake in the Russian brain. This is a crime against the people - the Soviet Kremlin. The Russian Kremlin with new crimes is a different story.

Quote: andreypilot

of course we want to eat Antonov’s design bureau and leave Ukraine without scientists — we are such goats

- You're stupid. as seen. No one had eaten before, all the more so.

[andreypilot]

You are noticeably an extreme patriot, I won’t say that you are a messenger of Western democracy, but you are an ardent opponent of Russians as a people in general .. How old are you, if it's not a secret and eating my phrases piece by piece, do you feel that you're behaving ugly? About KB I said Antonov in a conditional example, we don’t want him, we want planes

[Bogatir]

Quote: andreypilot

we don't want him, we want planes

- If culturally, then Russia can build on its own from the Ukrainian part of the Ukrainian part of work, royalties, etc. within the Soviet system of the aviation industry. Mutually beneficial everyone can earn.
But Russia does what and always does - it breaks state agreements (!!!) ... What characterizes in fact - who really is the distinguished and the only NOT RELIABLE PARTNER. And this is the court and the span ...

[andreypilot]

Maybe you need to look in the mirror?

[Bogatir]

Which mirror? Give it an example ... Su-27, ships, helicopters, rockets, engines, Strategic Rocket Forces - what’s the billion export of Russia ???

[MichaelVl]

Why, BOGATYR, you are bending the bar here :)
Is this Russia an unreliable partner? :))) Oh, the Ukrainians brothers are precisely in this regard while ahead of us. For political instability is in full swing, hence all the consequences ...
But that's not the point. All your komenty - some sort of hysteria with insults and barbs.
It is necessary to calm down and then the world will become brighter;) And Russia will seem more fluffy and kinder :)

[Bogatir]

Our political situation - we will deal with ourselves without left advisers and appraisers. An example of the failure of Ukraine contracts - as not a reliable partner ...
You bring commercial examples, so Ukraine tore off ??? And - not reliable Russian partners ...

[mga04]

It’s unpleasant, but the fact is that the AN-70 is still not in the series due to blocking by Russia, the AN-148 went into the series almost two years later due to Russia's refusal to supply components (they delayed waiting for the Superjet). The result was broken contracts, Russian enterprises did not profit from the sale of components, the share of Russian components in the aircraft decreased due to forced replacement. Who did win? We regularly step on the same rake. When Ukraine fulfilled the Pakistani tank contract, Russia refused to supply components that were not manufactured at that time in Ukraine, or rather, set prices that were frankly high for them. This is primarily a tower, guns, DZ. Result - Ukraine has created a full production cycle of tanks, Russian enterprises have not earned anything from this contract. Smart? And this despite the fact that the Pakistani contract of Ukraine was beneficial to Russia because it spurred India to buy the T-90.

[Bogatir]

Quote: mga04

due to blocking by Russia

- Russia is not a reliable historical partner, and for centuries - which should have been taught.

Quote: mga04

Who did win?

- Poghosyan with a sawmill.

Quote: mga04

Russia refused to supply components that were not manufactured at that time in Ukraine, or rather, set prices that were frankly overpriced for them. E

- Russia is historically not a reliable partner.

Quote: mga04

And this despite the fact that the Pakistani contract of Ukraine was beneficial to Russia because it spurred India to buy the T-90.

- Russia wanted to sell both the one and the other, and as a result, it no longer sells to either one or the other

[danilatrg]

To support Antonov this is said loudly - in Russia there is nothing like this and a catastrophe in aviation. In addition to Antonov, there are no options, and a direct dependence on Antonov and Ukraine.

Young man, do not smack nonsense. The survival of Antonov is only possible in cooperation with Russia, and not vice versa. Do not forget that Russia has more powerful production facilities, our country has other design bureaus. MS-21 is under development and SSJ-100 is already being released, which for Russia is an obvious advantage in technology. I am silent about military equipment.

[Bogatir]

The young man, Antonov, naturally needs some of the suppliers of the Soviet aviation industry, but Russia needs the Ukrainian aviation industry for the survival of the country.

Quote: danilatrg

our country has other design bureaus

-Not anymore.

Quote: danilatrg

SSJ-100 is released

- This is a shame and it’s better not to talk about him.

Quote: danilatrg

Russia is an obvious advantage in technology.

- There are no technologies. No engines, no composites, no projects.

Quote: danilatrg

I am silent about military equipment.

- And this is already productive.

[andreypilot]

Listen, you had to
Soviet era throw an ideological saboteur ... no technology? no technology? Boeing has all the titanium affairs, hottabych conjured? If you don’t like us, set your achievements! did not shave your mustache? a saber? shit you, not a cossack

[Bogatir]

Kozak locals will evaluate me.

[Lieutenant colonel]

In and Ukraine is the center of the earth! Wake up. Without cooperation, the excellent KB Antova will die. The West does not need you with its planes, as in Russia, among other things.

[Bogatir]

Evaluate Tupolev, Beriev, Yakovlev, Ilyushin. And yes, the Russian aircraft industry has almost died.

[Bogatir]

I have the same opinion, and the rest is bile.

[andreypilot]

Sorry, this is not bile - I would be very happy to know what the ans started to do with you ... I’m bitter that the production is leaving you, for me, you have ana, we have silt .. but I do not understand the current conjuncture- who wants what from whom?

[Bogatir]

Ans began to make from Ukrainian car kits - because in Russia there is already nothing.

[andreypilot]

Who told you? Kazan, Ulyanovsk, etc. factories, everything is made from ukrdetals, made in Russia, production .. We are ready to offer joint production to working enterprises

[Bogatir]

If you don’t know, be silent. And one and the other plants - so far nothing to do with the Antonovs.

[andreypilot]

you yourself don’t know - removed mother -> lying here is the basis for the production of aircraft of the company an..want to live in a bolt live, you are expected in Poland

[Bogatir]

You - you, a wild resident of the Trans-Urals, and in our educated cultural European European countries - it is customary to contact you.
And with the capture of Antonov, as well as others, you gave too much. Only a civilized European form of work and cooperation is possible.

[obzap]

With such a judgment, we will never unite!

[Bogatir]

Yes, what kind of association is your Freudian reservation? There is a joint venture for the joint production, sale and servicing - secured by STATE documents. This is so far frustrated by Russia, as a traditionally not reliable partner.

[Bogatir]

If something sues Russia. Already, the An-124 Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation was arrested and sold by the court for debts. Renovated and sold later by Ukraine.

[zczczc]

Helmut, so more likely to never recreate the Union.

[gans]

yeah, your trash is bad, but this trash means good, well, if at the price of scrap metal. Our generals are looking at whatever suckers to take on the content, if only not their

[Bogatir]

We cease to puff out our cheeks and spoil the air ... Essentially, is there a question?

[PSih2097]

Interestingly, what is it and where is it?

[Bogatir]

Quote: PSih2097

Interestingly, what is it and where is it?

4 -
gans

[gans]

Did you ask anyone, Yanukovych or are you asking yourself questions? Tip-less Eat fat with garlic will not stink.

[Splin]

After all, it’s not a matter of technology, but of a soldier. Georgia, in the conflict, was better equipped than the Russian army on the T-62 (well, at least not with a three-line), but retreated. An American soldier stuffed with electronics in Afghanistan loses the spirit, which only ten can count. And here some achievements of the military industrial complex stimulate the work of another military industrial complex of their country. The technologies are similar. This is not coordinating co-operation or buying up Western equipment, but simply the development of what you already know how to do.
PS By the way, Georgia bought the same BMP-1K with the module until 2008, but failed to apply them.

[Superduck]

They seem to have bought only modules.

[Splin]

Even so, the meaning is only in it. And his iron on wheels or tracks was enough there. They drove in the video.

[Bogatir]

No one has bought anything yet

[Bogatir]

Yes, Georgian BMP-1U went to celery from the base in Gori without crews. All that conspiracy was organized - during a vacation company in the Georgian army on Tuesday.

[Helmut]

It is strange that my thoughts are little divided by other colleagues. Let's say we bought equipment from Ukraine, thereby supporting their defense industry. Tomorrow they will invest these funds in the modernization of production and resume the supply of improved weapons to Georgia, and from these weapons they will already shoot at us. When they begin to expel us and Sevastopol and they shoot at our marines from weapons of Ukrainian production in which we have invested, everyone who is now blathering about supporting the Ukrainian obronki will automatically become traitors to the Motherland. UKRAINIANS ARE NOT A BROTHERN PEOPLE! THIS IS THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE! UKRAINIANS = RUSSIANS, RUSSIANS = UKRAINIANS. To say that Ukrainians are a brotherly people is the same as saying that Samara is a brotherly Russian people. Stupidity. For there is no such nationality "Ukrainian". A Ukrainian is only a geographic name and nationality.

[ZEBRASH]

As you know, Ukraine supplied weapons to Georgia during the reign of the pro-Western Yushchenko. Yanukovych will not come to this. Although he is a pro-Western (as it was recently revealed), he is not as zealous as Yushchenko. And the fact that there is no such nationality "Ukrainian", then it already offends all Ukrainian members of the forum and smacks of nationalism from afar Our roots are from the same seed, but we (Ukrainians, Russians, and Belarusians) have different branches, even if someone doesn’t like it.

[andreypilot]

Zebrash, I’m Russian, but I agree with you — we are different (legally) different peoples (at least in name), simply historically united by a common faith, culture and many hecaliters of shed blood .. Ukrainians and Belarusians have more rights to their self-determination than the same Kazakhs .. whose states did not actually exist .. (forgive the brothers in the CIS, this is true) Just when everyone runs up in the world, you want rapprochement is the opinion of a simple Russian guy whose friends in the GSVG live in Ukraine and Belarus ... It's a shame now for gas - when in the 90s billions of debts were forgiven to all Africans, they can’t support brotherly nations now, now we have medveputs snickering ... I believe that we will unite into something real, it can’t be so that if you or we are attacked, someone will stay away .. we are in reality, casting aside all insults and conventions for each other, the throat is overwhelming everyone ... I believe we will never leave each other in trouble NEVER

[Bogatir]

You can always sell weapons to Georgia - there are no international sanctions.

[montemor]

it's that in the shower, trickster

[andreypilot]

From earplug rumor-shit

[Bogatir]

Here's the trickster:

http://flot2017.com/item/opinions/41600

[PSih2097]

http://flot2017.com/item/opinions/41600

Nestykovochka turns out, dear Dmitry Anatolyevich, Vladimir Vladimirovich, who was the creator of all this adventure and the seizure of land for the empire (Russians love foreign lands).

[Bogatir]

If this has become a revelation for you, then the whole civilized world looks at you as occupants (cultural dialect). And this is still not resolved - the boomerang of the world community will return. And not only Medvedev, the first threats were under President Putin.
So - everything is just ahead.

[PSih2097]

I wonder where? You can ask in countries where the Americans with the Angles are po ...
And the mongrels bark, but things are still there ... and let Georgia pray that they haven’t reached Tbilisi and Ajaria haven’t been taken away, although there was such an opportunity, well, they would have pushed the UN for a couple of weeks and that’s all ...

[Bogatir]

Quote: PSih2097

and let Georgia pray that they haven’t reached Tbilisi

- There was such a phrase of Medvedev, estimated by the world - as the height of cynicism.
You in the Caucasus-krants. Ossetia, Degestan, Ichkeria - you did not buy them with financing, they just milk you for the time being. Georgia has understood and restored its potential and is growing even more. Azerbaijan - Pukin beat pots with him on the issue of archibolism for them. There are only Armenians - weak Armenians.
And in the Caspian region, everything is just beginning, and for this we need the Caucasus - and your position there is full of fear ...
So you poked the Caucasus. And well, you Georgians can arrange an Olympics in Sochi. - Well, you arranged it for them - in Beijing ...

[PSih2097]

There are only Armenians - weak Armenians.

they are not weak ... Regarding Georgia, they lived at the Baltic level, but so what? Regarding Abkhazia and South Ossetia, the Yankees themselves opened a pandora’s box: with Iraqi Kurds, with Kosovo, with Taiwan, etc. so do not let them reap the results of their policy ...

[Bogatir]

Quote: PSih2097

they are not weak ...

- Azerbaijanis are friends too.

Quote: PSih2097

Regarding Abkhazia and South Ossetia, the Yankees themselves opened a pandora’s box:

- Well, yes ...

[Bogatir]

And what is the phrase worth it:

But the question is what the dying empire will digest - with such an attitude of the international community to this issue, with the explosiveness of the situation inside the country, when all kinds of autonomy and nationalities want to free themselves from “Putin’s democracy”, when the rotten empire is buried in a swamp of corruption and immorality, when a huge country cannot build an elementary economy that rests only on world oil and gas prices.

http://flot2017.com/item/opinions/41600

[starley77]

Probably it’s a pity for us to buy new equipment, so they are interested in how you can upgrade the old

[Bogatir]

This is a world practice, at half price and cheaper - to bring what is and what everyone has already learned.

[Rico1977]

Yes, Ukrainians have already taken away a dozen contracts on the international market from us - that means their weapons are somewhat better, maybe in price, maybe in quality, maybe something else. And so you need to purchase for study. In general, we’ll unite anyway, it’s better to merge immediately with the defense industry as in aviation — we will quickly put it in order. We have similar developments, development paths too, take from each other the best and develop. And as for the Customs Union - it’s correct that they have been cornered and persuaded - ordinary Ukrainians will only benefit from this. Only Ukrainian oligarchs will lose - but do you care what will happen to them? SDD - gobble up each other. Well, even the Americans and Brzezinski will cry - they so tear Ukraine away from Russia, and then everything will go to dust - so they generally do not care ...

[mga04]

And you compare the descriptions of the T-90S (AM) and Oplot-M. Almost there is a repetition of all positions. Panorama of the commander, ext. armament compartment on the tower, air conditioning, remote ZPU, transmission and engine control, etc. Only Oplot is already on sale and most of these solutions were already on the first version - 10 years ago. And the ninetieth in this configuration is only represented. Here is the answer to many questions. Braking dear gentlemen.

[Bogatir]

A true observation is that the entire SM program was removed from Oplot. Profiles and a number of technical solutions. SM is a layout with many solutions that are not yet available.
The best T-64 was screwed up to mobilization T-72, and SM is a semi-mobilization Oplot.

[Lieutenant colonel]

And than you let the t-64 was better and what (I graduated from the Bagoveshensk tank school in 92, the main machine is the t-80 ace, the second is the t-72 and 64 familiarization). An example from personal communication with the t-64 temperature +10, Amur region. , morning, batteries are charged - the engine will not start without heating. On the march, the caterpillar from the narrow rollers just flies when cornering. And you can continue further. So why was he better? t-62 is true, t-72 is debatable. In general, the T-90 (shame, it's just survival) is base 72 and the tower with the T-80, I do not take as an example a condo (I need it), an automatic machine (and not a mechanic - I need it.) Everything else is still Soviet development. On the stronghold, too, there is nothing revolutionary.

[Lieutenant colonel]

And the legs of your stronghold grow from the Ural KB and t-72. The first panorama for the BTVT was tested there at the end of 70. And the first robot tank without a crew was also tested there, if that.

[Bogatir]

What makes you think that Ukraine trampled Russia on international markets? Based on what such conclusions? The Soviet market is not the Russian, but all the Wh.

Quote: Rico1977

their weapons mean something better

- Somewhere the truth is in many respects.

Quote: Rico1977

In general, we’ll unite anyway, it’s better to merge immediately with the defense industry as in aviation — we will quickly put it in order.

- Nobody drains the aircraft.

Quote: Rico1977

Of the Customs Union - it’s correct that they are cornered and bow

- Yes, and Ukraine will soon be in association with the EU. Worshiped ...

Quote: Rico1977

Only Ukrainian oligarchs will lose - but do you care what will happen to them?

- Do not read Soviet newspapers before lunch.

[andreypilot]

Come on, Israel will upgrade the Mig-21? Will we buy and tolerate it until the PAK FA works? According to our generals, it turns out that everything is fine, which is not being done in Russia. I worked at KMZ (Kurgan Engineering) for 2 years with a salary of 4-5 thousand (2000-2003) a fitter and a tester of hydraulic shock absorbers for BMP2,3..Because of the fact that they didn’t want to pay, he went to another plant, but it was a pity to leave, one training went on for half a year .. It was for the whole plant-4 person (2 young and 2 pensioners, our teachers, who are no longer ..) graduated from KMI (Department-Caterpillar vehicles, where the dean was the general designer of BMP2,3-A.A. Blagonravov. I just saw enough at the factory and at the institute .. trust me Together with Tagil there were such modifications of the BMP-1, the Ukrainians did not dream .. Imagine a hung-up old woman with all the defense systems, anti-personnel and anti-tank grenade launchers that shoot down helicopters too ... and all these grills that were on Pendos cars in Iraq .. News about the procurement of infantry fighting vehicles in Ukraine is how to buy in Bulgaria ak, which they modernize there zirovali, and our Izhevsk or Tula gunsmiths, according to the general, remained in the last century .. Well, on the basis of the BMP3 chassis, we invented BMD4-Do-I don’t want .. Where is the Money? Now the recently created corporation of tractor factories (Cheboksary) gets grandmas first , then he thinks how much of the amount allocated by KMZ for research and production of BMP and BMD is to be given to the manufacturer .. The plant is slowed down, people are leaving .. I still remember when I had to make a large order in the Emirates BMP3-called pensioners .. Mess

[Bogatir]

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Come on, Israel is upgrading the MiG-21

- Jewish solutions are already mounted on Su MiG, as on Indian ones.

Quote: andreypilot

Emirates BMP3

- Emirates BMP-3 are already written off.

[andreypilot]

Emirates are waiting for the modernization of the BMP, so you know

[Bogatir]

The absolute majority are written off and put into reserve, while the rest, which have not yet rotted, are modernized so that there is no weakening of defense capability until they receive what they take in exchange for BMP-3.

[andreypilot]

The whole composition of BMP3 - Arabs signed a modernist contract for the entire BMP3 warhead - so you know the trains are coming, disassembly, sorting, additional equipment canopy and home in the heat

[Bogatir]

Uh, no ... No need to flood with slogans

[andreypilot]

This is an old order KMZ-turn BMP Arabs))

[Bogatir]

Oh, well, fact in the studio ...

[Lieutenant colonel]

And also BMP - 3 from the troops were taken to fulfill the contracts, and the T-90 was also taken away and the invading T-62 tank was sent to the tank regiment for supply.

[andreypilot]

You slow yourself down, mga.T-90 in India, and where is your stronghold? Due to the inertia of our generals’ thinking, don’t run into our designers, everything was before your stronghold — as the money went, they created it ... We don’t understand- what was necessary? In the USSR there were 3 main tanks, even the USA couldn’t do that (T-64,72,80) All Western countries chose 1 main and danced from it .. And we still don’t know what or whom they want (red, brunette or blonde) Choose T-95 for example and move in this direction, along the way, simply upgrading the park until you replace it with a new one, because there is no big war to urgently change BMP1 to BMP3 or 4..This is clear in aviation -not replaced junk-began to fall ..

[Splin]

The Indians bought the T-90 in order to balance the balance of power with Pakistan, which bought 300 T-80UD in Ukraine, essentially a Soviet-era one, and the Indians say that the former is worse. there was simply no alternative at that time ..

[Joker]

Quote: Splin

and then the Indians say that the first is worse. there was simply no alternative at that time ..

- The source of this nonsense in the studio.

[andreypilot]

Joker, I agree, immediately quote to the audience please! Hindus say about the T-90, see Russian weapons programs, where the official guys from the Indian Ministry of Defense T-90 answer - the second argument after the nuclear deterrence against Pakistan .. I’m generally killed by the situation, when the younger brothers (in fact this is true, isn’t it?) trying by any means to prove their superiority, superiority, etc. And we (Russia) are such bastards, we’ll give a piece of fat to the snack after the vodka ... You’re talking stronghold TTX him and T90, you say vodka-give it and vodka! it is necessary to be friends, communicate and share, otherwise in any forums you get the feeling that if you said good things about Russia, then it’s all nat or xs who

[mga04]

http://www.morozov.com.ua/rus/body/oplot_mbt.php

[MichaelVl]

I support, andreypilot!
Dogs can be on any empty place. But no, to arrange a healthy argument with arguments and goodwill towards each other. And everyone strives for a stronger word to pick up and prick his opponent harder. It’s funny and not adult, it’s not serious :)

[Splin]

Love printed evidence. Yes, ask any tanker who operated the T-80UD. At the time of the 91st, it was the best tank in the USSR. They were equipped only with guard divisions. T-90 is just an attempt to equate it to eighties. And those tanks that were produced in Omsk and in Kharkiv essentially differed only in the power plant. And if you want to look in foreign magazines. I read it for a long time, it was a print, not an electronic edition.

[Joker]

Undoubtedly, the T-80UD / T-84 has undeniable advantages, but the T-90 / A also has them.

[Splin]

According to combat characteristics, they are completely identical. The only question is their operational component. There are very few complaints on the T-80UD (not to be confused with the T-84, it was not exported, and the manufacturer’s website is a separate machine). 6TD-1 manifests itself better in heat and mountains. Petersburg suspension, much more reliable and softer than Tagil.
PS I advise you to read foreign publications, at least as a translator. There, by the way, they believe that the T-80 is a derivative of the T-64, and the T-72 is a direct descendant of the T-62 with some elements of similarity with the T-64. I was surprised myself.

[Joker]

Quote: Splin

There, by the way, they believe that the T-80 is a derivative of the T-64, and the T-72 is a direct descendant of the T-62 with some elements of similarity with the T-64.

- if you read about the development, then it is.

As for the reliability of the suspension I disagree, about the fact that softer yes.

[Bogatir]

What complaints - Pakistanis say. that there is no alternative to Ukrainian.

Quote: Splin

and T-72 is a direct descendant

- Pendants O.167, as well as O.140 - which are the late descendants of the Kharkov T-34. 72 - desonstrator of a number of solutions half a century ago.

[Splin]

Complaints are not from them. From the troops. To anyone, even let the most reliable tank have a claim. Just an order of magnitude less than the T-64. I know that Dad started a platoon in Hungary in the 70s to command. I didn’t go to the tankers (the growth is not the same).

[Bogatir]

Ah, that’s an old topic with condo soldiers.

[Splin]

Just with the officers. Dad is one of the first issues who studied the T-64 in Kharkov, and the old fathers commanders preferred the proven but old T-55. Soldier then. What he will be taught, he will do.

[Bogatir]

Yes, then how they started to land on modern T-64s - they began to prepare sergeants. And who preferred which one, he speaks of the index of the condos of abilities.

[Bogatir]

T-90 is 72 with integrated solutions of the T-80U tower, which is the O.476 Kharkov tower.

[andreypilot]

What kind of tanker did Uncle drive 72, he liked him better, maybe he was better under the asshole. T80 is better .. T72 I generally like his gas turbine, moreover, they did it that no dust was scary .. Unlike Abrams .. But why did the T90 try again fit under it? Toad, conceit presses? They just wanted to make it better, a general school, a Soviet one .. What about this T80? When you got all the complaints for the long-playing games with T72 .. Now look at the forum, so everything that is put on the T90 is the past from the design life of Ukraine .. nothing do not squeeze ??

[Bogatir]

T-80UD - should have become the ONLY tank in the USSR if not for the collapse. This is the most modern Soviet tank. The so-called T-90 is an unnecessary initiative development of the UKBTM - the modernization of the T-72UB, which under the PR name "90" was given the green light only by the collapse of the union, Yeltsin's personal motives and the Ukrainian contract to Pakistan.

[Bogatir]

Yes - it is, but still not satisfied with the form of work of the Russians. Pakistanis with the T-80UD are greyhounds by the way.

[Bogatir]

So the T-90 is not Russian, but Soviet. And the T-80UD in the second half of the party was already Ukrainian.

[andreypilot]

Comrades-T-90-not Russian ... Spies from the brotherhood flew to us and drove it under the T-80, but Schaub he was not better .. So do we and scientists seem not ours?

[andreypilot]

Guys, be serious! Each new T-90 package is a new step ... Tagil engineers think new things, and you, as children, are ready to point fingers and tease .. and you have a whole tantrum with 80-ud. -Removed-how steeper, yes, the flag is in your hands! now any movement t90-repeat UD .. imagine comrades-in Tagil sitting and thinking how to whistle ideas with ud-we ran out !!!
! as always, Russia should be to you .. we can’t settle before you ..

[mga04]

What does "whistle ideas" have to do with it. There is an evolutionary development of tanks along a very similar path in many countries. The requirements for tanks differ little in different countries, respectively, the modernization paths are close, the solutions are similar. The point is different. It turns out that modern solutions appear on Russian tanks later than others, there is some lag. This is the problem, not who repeated whose solution.

[MichaelVl]

Splin
come on, without any emotions, tell us why the T-90 is worse (it doesn’t matter for anyone, for the Indians, Papuans, ... ours)? Just come on without big words, but clearly in the case. I don’t know a person very interested and curious, why is the new tank worse? I do not know all the subtleties, but I think that it could not be worse. I agree that there may be something raw and not worked out 100%, but no worse. Many have such a habit of scolding everything new, trusting the proven old ...
Who really drove both cars (or more than both)? Are there any of these? Share your impressions, please. I think so many are curious to know.

[Splin]

You can probably describe for a long time. I'm not a professional tanker, I'm a gunsmith arteller. As for my profile, there are no fundamental differences either in weapons or in the MSA. But I know very well that B series engines lose almost 20% of their power in hot weather. This is known from Msta-S and the B-92 engine is no exception. And taking into account the fact that engines of 850 horses were going to India, the loss is significant, although on the border of India and Pakistan there are mountains and temperatures over 40 + lack of oxygen for the engine. Diesel will not ignite diesel fuel without air. And the Kharkiv multi-fuel diesel engine does not care about this factor. Mix diesel fuel with kerosene and went to the mountains. After all, to be honest, the T-90A is not new. In plain language, from the Volga (T-72) they tried to make a Mercedes (T-80). The suspension, in fact, did not change with the T-44. Yes, they removed the side clutches, put 2 planetary gearboxes. But they are less reliable and more efficient than the Leningrad ones. After all, Tagilians have basically refused since the 70s from the developments of Leningrad and Kharkov. Let us recall the beginning of the dispute. It was a comparison of the T-90 (T-72B) and T-80 in different configurations, and not the Ukrainian and Russian branches of the Soviet tank building.

[mga04]

That T-90 which in India and shown in Tagil are two very different cars. If we compare the Indian ninetieth then with the Pakistani T-84 (T-80UD). And with a simple comparison of characteristics and configuration, the comparison will not be in favor of the ninetieth (excuse me). For the rest, I absolutely agree with you. It’s absolutely necessary not to consider money in order to have three main tanks in service (or even four - T-80 - T-80UD). And what, now has something changed? Is there really only one type of tank left in service that is being systematically modernized, and the rest put into reserve and sent to storage bases? No!. Safely operate all that is, added the T-90, plus three types of infantry fighting vehicles. I would not be surprised if the troops still have exploited T-55 and T-62. And we cry no money. In Ukraine, if there is no money for the army, then there is none. They left the T-64 in service, since it has production facilities, and they are modernizing it. Everything else has been deposited, brought into a divine form and is gradually sold out. The strongholds in the troops are, so to speak, literally one company, but I think this is proportional to the number of T-90s in the Russian army.

[Joker]

I do not quite agree, since which Hindus version ordered this and received it.

As for the T-55 - they are in storage.
T-62s were transferred to the BB, so formally they are not in service, and they are used to save the resource of more modern tanks.
Purchases of T-80 are not and are not expected.

BMP-1 and BMP-2 as far as I know from the salary analogues, so that BMP 2 types.

[mga04]

And then they cried that, due to the lack of air conditioning, the thermal imagers are flying.

T-80 just not purchased or not in use?

[Joker]

Only not purchased, but operated.

[andreypilot]

Dear Joker, some viewings of military operations in the Caucasus show the presence of at least BMP1,2 in the explosives. There is BMP3 in Kantemirovka .. Again, the exercises in the Far East region are fun T55s (like), or something like them .. They are going to update))) As the exercises in the Ural Federal District, T72, T80 and during the holidays drove the T90 tank battalion .. All this porridge travels, shoots and defends the Russian Federation .. Question, I already wrote on the forum that honestly, got confused, it's not time whether everything will bring everything to one denominator, those of the main tank, in anticipation of which to make a mod at least T72, T80-no difference with attachments of a new generation and they will still show the abrams, at least not Kuzkin’s mother, at least her daughter))) money, as the MO is doing now, it’s called-drunk to a freebie .. As before, in the Second World War they did, they took it first, there’s something new, in the manufacturing process they bring it up, and not like now, we stop buying until you install something or something. During production, everything goes ..

[Lieutenant colonel]

The troops of the eastern military district have 2 brigades on the BMP 2 + training battalion. The main tank in the troops is the T-80 of the first modifications. The main in the BMP - 1

[Splin]

In Ukraine, almost the same parsley. Only the T-72 was put in reserve. Yes, the main T-64, but at the institute they study both T-80UD (there are more than a hundred of them) and Bastions.

[andreypilot]

After all, initially the tanks were distributed according to the principle that Kharkov citizens were allowed to work with one type of engine and cooling system, the Tagilians had another .. Tagil changed the system. The automatic loader was recognized as a priority by the T72 general tests, but they didn’t refuse the Kharkov machine either. all the best and more .. After all, the whole country worked for defense — so many factories — we will produce different things — all of a sudden that all the same will reach Berlin .. And don’t call me Russophile, as I say, the Ukrainian school of designers is one of the best in the world. .Example- Antonov, Koshkin ..

[Bogatir]

Nothing like this. T-72 without any tests by the intrigue of pest-lobbyists was carried out as the second MBT, when the country's leadership was on vacation.

[andreypilot]

Look at the history of tank troops .. Kuluar-do not laugh soles

[Bogatir]

So, I'm not going to communicate with the flood ...

[Bogatir]

Less than a hundred, and the rest is approximately true.

[Bogatir]

Quote: mga04

In Ukraine, if there is no money for the army, then there is none. They left the T-64 in service, since it has production facilities, and they are modernizing it.

- Because still - the T-64 is better than the T-72, it is mine. And get rid of the used T-72.

Quote: mga04

but I think this is proportional to the number of T-90s in the Russian army.

- Bulatov is bigger, and Bulat level is higher than T-90 in many respects.

[Bogatir]

In Pakistan, the T-84 (in the accepted concept) - no. And the T-64 was left because it is even more advanced than the T-72.
In Russia, the T-62 is still there, the T-55 two years ago were still in Primorye.

[Bogatir]

Quote: andreypilot

T-90 in India, and where is your stronghold?

T-90s in India appeared only thanks to the Ukrainian Birch trees in Pakistan, and this despite the fact that - the engines of two burned out, and the third - jammed. Then there were complaints, heat. thermal imagers, etc.
According to Bastion and India - the news is just ahead, do not rush - akuyet.

[Joker]

As for the burned engines in more detail, I read about the tests, I did not meet this information.

[Bogatir]

This is not written on the fence.

[Joker]

Quote: Bogatir

T-90s in India appeared only thanks to the Ukrainian Birch trees in Pakistan, and this despite the fact that - the engines of two burned out, and the third - jammed.

- nonsense is shorter.

Quote: Bogatir

Then there were complaints, heat. thermal imagers, etc.

- the tests were mega-hard, maybe some moments were, this is normal, and then the normal system was added to the thermal imagers.

[Bogatir]

Quote: Joker

- nonsense is shorter.

- That's your business. I do not want to put everyone on the rack - but something else.

Quote: Joker

- the tests were mega-hard, maybe there were some moments, this is normal, and then the normal cameras were added to the thermal imagers.

- And so the Indians now want to remotorize everything on TD engines.

[andreypilot]

Do you understand what you wrote? I'll put it on your shelves-1) the Pakistanis had nothing more to do with it .. (Whatever country still bought such equipment, guys, no offense, but we will be realistic) 2) Indians realized that with the more or less modern tanks of our inheritance in real life, only the same other tanks can fight .. tried the competition, but the NATO machines could not stand it .. And seriously ... Type of survey, if the abrams met with: T-72 (all protection, etc. )
2) T-803) t-90 .. comment on the consequences .. Only not emotions, professional thinking, I think it will be interesting ..

[Bogatir]

Quote: andreypilot

the Pakistanis had nothing more to do with it ..

- It . Pakistanis had less political opportunity with sanctions. And they did not choose Western - the best.

Quote: andreypilot

The Indians perceived that with the more or less modern tanks of our inheritance in real life, only the same other tanks can fight.

- The Indians, too, didn’t have any options at all, since Ukraine would not have sold immediately to two, and with sanctions, only Russia would be left by inheritance from the USSR. This is no longer the case with Ukrainians and the United States.

[andreypilot]

Well, to hell, what do you think, a stronghold, a thing ... if you were to raise tanks in India, and among them a fire in the engines, you say that your stronghold is a thing, and t90-shit ... your tank would go that Leopard and Abrams couldn’t get through? And did the T-90 pass and hit all the targets? How weak?

[Superduck]

In Malaysia, the stronghold went the distance without breakdowns near the T90, which once needed a crane, although the reason for calling the crane in different sources varies, one version that the Malaysian driver put him in a swamp, and the second plus to this also burned him in the transmission when they tried to get out. This is a fact known in interested circles. Plus, the well-known release of PR managers of UVZ that their carriers in India specifically overheated the engine and then replaced it with a block of 2 palm trees. But since it is impossible to establish how to install the disassembled engine on the T90 as it is known in the field, the fact that it was burned makes us think. B-93 is a new and interesting engine, but everyone knows that it is an immensely boosted engine from the T-72 and the afterburner is not free.

[Bogatir]

Quote: SuperDuck

B-93 new and interesting engine

- Statements by the chief of the General Staff - they say that the engine is bullshit.

[Joker]

Quote: Bogatir

- Statements by the chief of the General Staff - they say that the engine is bullshit.

- what is meant?

[Bogatir]

I have already said that Pakistanis speak with their mountainous, hot and dusty climate - that there is no alternative to Ukrainian engines. VTCH on working conditions in hot climates.

Quote: andreypilot

But the T-90 passed and hit all the targets? How weak?

- What is it about?

[Joker]

Tests in Malaysia. The T-90 went beyond the range and hit all targets, Leo and Abrash could not do this because of low reliability.

[Bogatir]

And the Malays bought the modernized Polish T-72 with the French MTO, even though the T-90 came with two palm trees in the kit for free !!!

[Joker]

Isn't that the one that the Pindos lobbied for the T-90 licking did not take, and is it not the tank that suffers from chronic overheating of the MTO?

Do not tell Russophobe.

[Bogatir]

Quote: Joker

Do not tell Russophobe.

- Dumb phrase.

[Bogatir]

Bogatir,
- Something nobody reagirket. The stupid phrase "fob" "phil" - it doesn't matter to whom it is attributed. There is only one thing - the interests of their ethnic territorial national historical state.
And the rest does not matter with their strange strange labels.

[Joker]

Quote: Bogatir

Bogatir, - Something nobody reagirket. The stupid phrase "fob" "phil" - it doesn't matter to whom it is attributed. There is only one thing - the interests of their ethnic territorial national historical state. And the rest do not count with their strange labels of others.

- dumb text.

[Bogatir]

It is stupid to demand some kind of "philia" towards your state from citizens of another national independent democratic state ...
And to want to see all this - only for the reason that you think so naturally. - Dumber does not happen.

[Joker]

Yeah, it’s not for nothing that you were bombarded.
Good luck.

[Bogatir]

Joker,
- This is called the world of reality.

[Joker]

Quote: Bogatir

Isn't that the one that the Pindos lobbied for the T-90 licking did not take, and is it not the tank that suffers from chronic overheating of the MTO?

- By the way, MTO in my opinion is Israeli.

- based on the fact that the question remained unanswered and went into the field of philosophy, I can give a continuation of your proposal:

Quote: Bogatir

- This is called the world of reality.

- crazy.

[PSih2097]

It turns out that Ukrainians should give the T-64 and T-80 modernization, and upgrade the T-72 themselves, quietly increasing the production of the T-90S.

[Bogatir]

Maybe something similar will happen. In any case, there seemed to be a conversation about repairing the best Russian T-80UD tanks in Ukraine.

[Owl]

These are all empty words. Interaction, help and support could have been in the USSR, now Russia and Ukraine are different countries, the relationship between the "rulers" is either storm or calm, and therefore only separate purchases of a small number of products for study or for installation on objects sold in different states are possible.

[Bogatir]

Russia buys a huge mass of products in Ukraine, and Ukraine always sells reliably. It’s not often that Russia behaves reliably.

[Owl]

the question of armored vehicles, the supply of Ukrainian helicopter engines, etc. I know

[Bogatir]

I didn’t regret three dollars today for the September issue of Popular Mechanics for three pages of the article "T95 is the last myth of the defense industry." Find out what food catering is fed to muzilochny.
Some true points - T-72 has exhausted the reserve of modernization, T-90 is a political name, T-90 is the limit of modernization.

[Joker]

Quote: Bogatir

I did not regret today three dollars for the September issue of Popular Mechanics

- In vain, if you take about the weapons rather mediocre publication.

Quote: Bogatir

T-72 has exhausted the reserve of modernization,

Quote: Bogatir

T-90 is the limit of modernization.

- and what is the T-90AM / SM?

Quote: Bogatir

T-90 political name,

- I see nothing wrong with that.

[Bogatir]

Quote: Joker

- In vain, if you take about the weapons rather mediocre publication.

- Yes, I was interested in the wrappers for the people in the wrapper.

Quote: Joker

and T-90AM / SM is that?

- exactly - what is it?

Quote: Joker

- I see nothing wrong with that.

- I won't do philosophy, but for example it might be a bummer, like the Indians - and they thought it was not 72, but "90" ...

[Joker]

Quote: Bogatir

- exactly - what is it?

- T-90AM / SM - deep modernization of the T-90. The performance and operational characteristics were significantly increased.

[Bogatir]

Quote: Joker

T-90AM / SM - deep modernization of the T-90. The performance and operational characteristics were significantly increased.

- What has been modernized and what are operational with what - without operation?

[Joker]

Quote: Captain

- T-90MS: official press release
http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2011/09/90_7886.html

- I can point out the APU from improving operational characteristics, and I won’t retell it if it’s interesting to read.

[Bogatir]

Joker,
- Having given me that, I’ve done enough that I know enough, but they are trying to convince me here with slogans.
And to the topic of slogans, yes I know:
- Russia Homeland of Elephants ...

[Joker]

Quote: Bogatir

- Dove in that, I’ve done enough to know

- no one doubts ..

Quote: Bogatir

But the T-90 passed and hit all the targets? How weak?

- What is it about?

Quote: Bogatir

Some true points - T-72 has exhausted the reserve of modernization, T-90 is a political name, T-90 is the limit of modernization.

Quote: Bogatir

Quote: Joker
and T-90AM / SM is that?

- exactly - what is it?

Quote: Bogatir

Quote: Joker
T-90AM / SM - deep modernization of the T-90. The performance and operational characteristics were significantly increased.

- What has been modernized and what are operational with what - without operation?

And about the slogans, please be more detailed, I was interested in your case.

Quote: Bogatir

and here they are trying to persuade me with slogans.

Quote: Bogatir

And to the topic of slogans, yes I know:
- Russia Homeland of Elephants ...

Mammoths yes, elephants are in question.

[AleksUkr]

Citizens associates! Wake up! You are discussing whose technology is better, who supports whom, etc. I almost agree that you are all specialists in armored vehicles. But remember one little song of the Civil War period, which for some reason our generals very much like, led by felmebel Taburetkin, redid it in a new way. They love folk songs in the Moscow Region. I’m not a poet, so I give it in prose. Maybe someone will arrange and include in the song - German laser, French boat, Ukrainian BT, Italian shooting, etc. in the same vein. New times - new songs.

[andreypilot]

new kitchens-new stools

[andreypilot]

and as in one of the forums we argued about the qualities of our and western tanks, where our weapons were omitted in the article — here’s the Sophorumites link to you, look and then think about whether it’s worth believing the new generals who are parquet .. would abrams-your opinion is very interesting ..

[ars_pro]

Yes, that's about the "stronghold": http://topwar.ru/3451-ukraina-privezla-v-abu-dabi-tank-s-samoj-moshhnoj-bronej.h
tml I think that healthy competition is not an obstacle for relations between our states!

[Kot_Baun]

Buy weapons and military equipment of any brands, types, modifications, etc. from anyone. - a crime and the collapse of the country's "defense" potential ... This is a long-term sabotage with a time bomb, and with the current development of IT technologies and their use in almost all types of technically complex weapon systems (except for a bow, spear and sling), it is not known how it is the weapon will behave at hour X

[Russian1]

The defense of Ukraine must be destroyed !!!!!!!!!!