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American congressman spoke about the reasons why it makes no sense to supply Ukraine with “lethal” weapons from the USA

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In the United States, there is a heated discussion on the possibility of sending an American "lethal" to Ukraine weapons. Many representatives of the US legislature speak in favor of the commencement of such supplies, but there is a contrary opinion in Congress. After analyzing the situation with military aid from Canada “dissolved” on the territory of Ukraine, Congressman Chris Van Hollen said that there is no point in starting deliveries of American “lethal” weapons to Ukrainian security forces.


In an interview with MSNBC TV channel, Holen Holen, arguing on the question of the possible supply of American weapons to Ukraine (translation InoTV):

I support the idea of ​​providing Ukrainian troops with additional equipment, but, speaking of lethal weapons, I believe that there is a downside to the medal: equipping a lethal assignment will not do any good if it turns out in the hands of people who are not trained to use it. Therefore, I believe that there must be some kind of mechanism to ensure improvement in the level of training of the Ukrainian army.


American congressman spoke about the reasons why it makes no sense to supply Ukraine with “lethal” weapons from the USA


A spokesman for the US Congress states that there is a high probability in Ukraine that a weapon can be stolen, falling into the hands of people who do not know how to handle it.

Recall that the Ukrainian side calls on the United States and other NATO countries to urgently start delivering "lethal" weapons to Kiev, saying that if the Ukrainian army had, for example, Javelins (American portable anti-tank systems), the "peremoga" had long been would be celebrated. As can be seen, representatives of the American legislative body have an alternative opinion on this matter. Apparently, Chris van Hollen still does not finish. After all, given the level of training of Ukrainian military and mobilized, American weapons may be in the hands of the militia, and this is a completely different история...
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  1. IAlex
    IAlex 4 February 2015 14: 44
    +39
    Why arrange a circus, weapons are already supplied and will be delivered even more, because if a decision is shown in a theatrical performance, it means it has already been made ...
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 4 February 2015 15: 09
      +16
      February 3 the headquarters of the DPR has already demonstrated fragments of NATO shells. And he reported the second shot down SU-25. The pilot was caught and taken for interrogation.
      1. Viktor Kudinov
        Viktor Kudinov 4 February 2015 15: 11
        +7
        Well, they put a lethal weapon for the theater, now they will carry it for the circus. wassat
      2. Giant thought
        Giant thought 4 February 2015 15: 14
        0
        Sensible people in the US Congress understand that the supply of lethal weapons to Ukraine can only turn into an escalation of the conflict.
        1. Hitmaster
          Hitmaster 4 February 2015 15: 30
          +10
          Sensible people in the US Congress understand that the supply of lethal weapons to Ukraine can only turn into an escalation of the conflict.

          I beg of you! so they only achieve this !!
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 4 February 2015 19: 53
            0
            Quote: HitMaster
            I beg of you! so they only achieve this !!

            So after all, "The Giant of Thought" also focuses on what is "sane", but in Congress they are like YETI - piece copies, in most cases, alas, "McKeyniks"
            1. Hitmaster
              Hitmaster 7 February 2015 06: 38
              0
              what are you saying !? Have you carefully read the article?
              I support the idea of ​​providing Ukrainian troops with additional equipment, but, speaking of lethal weapons, I believe that there is a downside to the medal: equipping a lethal assignment will not do any good if it turns out in the hands of people who are not trained to use it. Therefore, I believe that there must be some kind of mechanism to ensure improvement in the level of training of the Ukrainian army.

              it is not about the fact that lethal weapons cannot be supplied to Ukraine, but about the fact that you cannot give a grenade to a monkey! that it is necessary to send instructors there first, so that they would teach to fight with American weapons! otherwise this "sane" is not at all against military aid to Ukraine, which defends its "democracy"!
              "common sense" can be seen here only from the point of view of business: with instructors, weapons will cost the buyer more.
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        2. Alf
          Alf 4 February 2015 18: 27
          0
          Quote: Thought Giant
          Sensible people in the US Congress understand that the supply of lethal weapons to Ukraine can only turn into an escalation of the conflict.

          A spokesman for the US Congress states that there is a high probability in Ukraine that a weapon can be stolen, falling into the hands of people who do not know how to handle it.

          Why don't they "know"? They even know very well. Maybe they won't be able to shoot it, but the price will be correct.
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        1. Vend
          Vend 4 February 2015 15: 16
          +6
          Democracy in action. Ukraine pings money, weapons, and in response, and talk? laughing
      4. wolf7
        wolf7 4 February 2015 17: 21
        +1
        They took at least one alive, now the celestial swallow will sing during interrogation.
    3. Sid.74
      Sid.74 4 February 2015 15: 15
      +7
      The Hungarian authorities will not supply weapons to Ukraine. Such a statement was made by the head of the cabinet of the Prime Minister, Janos Lazar.
      http://russian.rt.com/article/72298


      Monument combat unit again




      Ukrainian fortified area
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 4 February 2015 15: 18
        +10
        Interview with the Separatist
      2. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 4 February 2015 16: 10
        +11
        Quote: Sid.74
        Monument combat unit again

        The tank was launched into "cold" condition, so there is a lot of light gray smoke from unburned fuel. It's nice to have a heater in the tank. I can advise you to follow the water temperature readings - there is a device for the color of the smoke. If the smoke goes black, it is definitely the overheating of the engine on the thirty-four. Elimination of overheating: the gearshift lever to zero and increase the engine speed. The engine will gradually cool down to operating temperature.
        From this tank, aiming can be fired only from a short stop, about 10-11 seconds. The mechanic yells, "Short." The gunner takes aim and shoots, must be in time. The mechanic, so that the tank does not die, after 10-11 seconds, must start moving without warning. The gunner, if he did not have time to make a shot, simply does not shoot until the commander gives a short command and gives target designation to the gunner. But first you have to listen to the swear words.
      3. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 4 February 2015 17: 31
        +5
        Quote: Sid.74
        Monument combat unit again

        It will be difficult for modern tankers to get used to the T-34-85. The main ammunition is located in stacks (boxes) on the floor in the fighting compartment. The loader must memorize where in which ammunition which shell is. The charger should be very strong. In battle it is very difficult to quickly load a cannon. He must get used to the fact that the shells are scattered on the floor above the warheads and interfere. He must have time to fold the spent cartridges, or to put them in empty combat mounts immediately after firing, or to throw them through the hatch in the tower. The second is only possible if the tank is not under fire.
        Tip to the mechanics. It is better to start the engine with compressed air, otherwise you will put the battery in. In battle, if the tank accidentally stalls, and there is no compressed air, and the battery turns out to be empty, then this is the death of the tank and crew. On the road you need to move very carefully, the suspension of the T-34 is weak, spring. Hitting the pit and the suspension begins to break. But you can move. Do not brake the main friction clutch, you will burn. At high speed, brake the levers of the lateral planetary gears. The brake pedal will not stop the tank at high speed. Do not be lazy to close your hatch. Open it has such a bias that everything that gets into it bounces right into the mechanics. The gearbox does not have synchronizers. The mechanic himself must feel when it is possible to switch speeds and do not forget to do the gas relocations. Otherwise, just do not turn on the speed, a strong mechanic even breaks the wings. And watch the devices, do not get carried away in battle.
        The gunner is false to have very good eyesight. With vision greater than + or - 2, it is very difficult to aim at the target. The sight has a very small adjustment for vision. When aiming at a target, you have to sweat with both hands. Manage to keep within 10-11 seconds when firing. The mechanic yells "Short", then the loader - "Ready" and shoot.
        The commander yells the next command "Armor-piercing" - this is for the loader and the gunner, then, "landmark 1, to the right 200", "Tank", "range 1500", "fire" is for the gunner.
        Gunner - repeat your target designation after the commander aloud so as not to forget, the commander will correct, if necessary.
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 4 February 2015 17: 49
          0
          Quote: Алексей_К
          It will be difficult for modern tankers to get used to the T-34-85.

          Very interesting remarks, to some extent dropping the shadow on the T34, which in the eyes of a layman is an example of technical perfection. I wonder where such knowledge comes from. From books? Fought? Unlikely .....
        2. w3554152
          w3554152 4 February 2015 22: 17
          0
          as laid out in the textbook. I have never read such a thing in my memoirs. Respect.
        3. Tugarin
          Tugarin 5 February 2015 07: 07
          0
          Quote: Алексей_К
          On the road you need to move very carefully, the suspension of the T-34 is weak, spring. Hitting the pit and the suspension begins to break

          Respectfully, but we are talking about the T-34-85 tank, but does it have torsion bars, or am I mistaken?
    4. rus9875
      rus9875 4 February 2015 15: 17
      +6
      Let them supply - dill will very quickly sell it to ISIS militants, and those from it will shoot at them
    5. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 4 February 2015 15: 51
      +8
      Quote: IAlex
      Why arrange a circus, weapons are already supplied and will be delivered even more, because if a decision is shown in a theatrical performance, it means it has already been made ...

      To conduct successful military operations it is necessary to have a lot of weapons, ammunition and fuel. And for this we need constant supplies. Without logistic support, no one can fight and any equipment simply turns into ballast. And for mass deliveries you need congressional permission. Those single samples of American weapons in private armies do not do weather.
      I’ll also add that the main types of weapons that the Americans consider a secret for Russia, they do not want to supply, because they are afraid that Abrams’s tanks, invisible planes and other types of armaments related to high-tech will fall into the hands of militias and fall into Russia and some secrets will cease to be a secret. Moreover, for some reason, some ammunition sometimes does not explode, this can happen with tomahawks. And the Americans are fighting in the space-electronic escort system. And Russia will immediately see how this system works. America is afraid of all this, because having attacked Russia, it will not be able to fight — Russia will know everything.
      1. Penelope
        Penelope 4 February 2015 15: 54
        +2
        The Ukrainian military does not have enough weapons, but the mind.
        1. w3554152
          w3554152 4 February 2015 22: 18
          0
          Bandera never had a mind. Only animal instincts.
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    6. kamikaze
      kamikaze 4 February 2015 22: 40
      0
      Eisenhower Dwight David WAS THE WISEST US PRESIDENT. HE SAID THAT AMERICA A FREE COUNTRY WHAT IT IS WRONG TO INTERFERE WITH THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF OTHER STATES. THIS WAS A SMART WISE PRESIDENT. NOT LIKE THIS HYDRA OF BARAK OBAMA. WHICH NOSE HIS NOSE HOSTING MATTERS SOWING WAR AND DISCUSSION AND BLOOD ADOLPH HITLER'S POLICY
  2. Yellow white
    Yellow white 4 February 2015 14: 45
    +15
    Give New Russia new weapons, at the expense of America's taxpayers, GIVE !!!
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 4 February 2015 14: 50
      +8
      Quote: Black and White
      Give New Russia New Arms

      In the United States, there is a heated discussion on the possibility of sending American "lethal" weapons to Ukraine.


      ... 3,14 The Indians are underdeveloped that they go beyond the "red flags": "Russia will perceive the beginning of the supply of weapons to Ukraine as a declaration of war" (c) Supreme ...

      Meanwhile, almost all divisions of mobile missiles have brought "Poplars into the woods" and, it seems, including "Sirens" (Comrade Ascetic knows what it is) -
      Strategic missile forces mobile systems (Strategic Rocket Forces) have entered combat duty routes in six regions of Russia, Colonel Igor Egorov, spokesman for the Russian Ministry of Defense’s Strategic Missile Forces press service and information department, said.

      "Topol", "Topol-M" and "Yars" mobile launchers are working on combat alert tasks with extended periods in six regions of the country: Tver, Ivanovo, Kirov, Irkutsk regions, as well as Altai Territory and the Republic of Mari El. About 700 pieces of military equipment, including launchers, are involved in patrolling the Strategic Missile Forces, "he said.

      According to Yegorov, in 2015 the timeframes for combat duty of the Strategic Missile Forces units on combat patrol routes in winter increased to almost a month. At the same time, in the 2014 year, the terms of continuous combat duty in the field areas were extended to 32 days.

      "In the course of working out tasks with extended periods of stay in field positions, much attention is paid to preparing combat patrol routes in the winter, providing the necessary equipment, material means for the personnel to live and ensure life in severe winter conditions for a long time," he explained.

      About it writes RIA Novosti
      1. tasey
        tasey 4 February 2015 15: 43
        +8
        When I was (when I gave 21 years to the Strategic Missile Forces, "Pioneer", "Topol"), it was NORMAL! Each regiment was supposed, in accordance with the Combat Use Plans, to "stand guard" in the fields "2 times a year, for a month. In winter and summer. So that skills are not lost, so to speak, so that" the blood does not stagnate. "THIS IS NORMAL. Academic year began (in December), and, according to the schedule, each connection "works." And then there is NO connection. All "mobile ... were taken out." The usual show of journalists for the rating. By the way, from the "hospital" the risk of failure at launch is less .. .. And to start, with the threat of an attack - and earlier it was less than 5 minutes. So, not only the ascetic knows. But also tasey - (tassey is a good lake of the Beklemishevskaya "chain", 100 km from Chita). 11 years in the 4th Harbin Missile Division
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 4 February 2015 16: 24
          +4
          Quote: tasey
          All "mobile ... brought out". The usual show of journalists for rating. by the way, from the "hospital" the risk of failure at launch is less .... And to start, with the threat of an attack - and earlier it was less than 5 minutes.

          ... it’s clear that not all PGRKs were withdrawn :)

          But, the threat of "sudden" on the PPD and in the fields is different.
          First look for them "wind field". And for this you need to "bend" and lower 7pots from satellite and other forces, including the "5th column". Now we do not report and indicate routes, even training ones. Even if all the detection forces work out 100% - few of the "mobile" will be found. It is clear that the "global strike", at the same time, will not come out to everyone ...
          And time is up such that the distraught neo-law can decide everything so as not to merge. After the BRICS ultimatum on the transfer of keys to the IMF ...
          They got chaotic "jerking" - Kerry was going to Moscow, then canceled ...
  3. andrei332809
    andrei332809 4 February 2015 14: 45
    +11
    it was he in such a manner called dill dill?
    1. sever.56
      sever.56 4 February 2015 14: 48
      +19
      No, Andrei, they are tolerasts ... He called them alternatively smart !!!
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 4 February 2015 14: 59
        +2
        Quote: sever.56
        He called them alternatively smart !!!

        good
      2. ermak.sidorov
        ermak.sidorov 4 February 2015 15: 28
        +1
        "alternatively smart" - this will have to be remembered =)
    2. lelikas
      lelikas 4 February 2015 14: 49
      +2
      Quote: andrei332809
      it was he in such a manner called dill dill?

      He moved away from the topic beautifully - we don’t feel sorry for the money, we care about people, like.
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 4 February 2015 15: 05
        +5
        Yes, all these statements are bullshit. Brains are powdering. Why should they comment on their real plans or review plans? Ukraine is full of mercenary specialists who could use these weapons. And new ones will continue to be sent as they were sent. The bid is too high. Do not take seriously such statements. As well as statements that NATO does not plan to fight with Russia. They plan, prepare, organize provocations. When can this happen? Maybe at any moment. And maybe never.
    3. enot73
      enot73 4 February 2015 14: 51
      +2
      Quote: andrei332809
      it was he in such a manner called dill dill?

      A spokesman for the US Congress states that there is a high probability in Ukraine that a weapon can be stolen, falling into the hands of people who do not know how to handle it.
      Apparently he means the Ukrovskoy "voentorg", when army dry rations get into retail sale, and weapons to the militia bully . Only here the militia just wield these weapons very well
  4. Turbo rabbit
    Turbo rabbit 4 February 2015 14: 46
    +8
    In short. the translation is: "Do not give grenades to monkeys"
  5. Magic archer
    Magic archer 4 February 2015 14: 47
    +2
    A spokesman for the US Congress states that there is a high probability in Ukraine that a weapon can be stolen, falling into the hands of people who do not know how to handle it.
    HERE! This is the main reason! Even knowing how to handle it after receiving a certain amount, it will sell dill! Greed and greed, these two features spread the Ukrainian army ...
    1. Sunseich
      Sunseich 4 February 2015 14: 49
      0
      it will be like with rations:
      did not have time to bring, as the Ukrainians and Poles they were already freely trading on the Internet))))
  6. Angara
    Angara 4 February 2015 14: 47
    +3
    Oh, Van Holen is not right, he is still wrong. Novorossians will deal with all types of weapons and without instructors (I have not yet met a person who studied the instructions before turning on any device). The only drawback of the absence of a rembase, but it's not scary: the Russian "Kulibins" will repair everything on their knees. Let's come here as the spider said to the flies wink
  7. Loner_53
    Loner_53 4 February 2015 14: 48
    0
    A spokeswoman for the US Congress says Ukraine’s chances are high that weapons can be stolen, falling into the hands of people who do not know how to handle it.Come on, the militia will figure out what and how wink
  8. Muadipus
    Muadipus 4 February 2015 14: 48
    +1

    I support the idea of ​​providing Ukrainian troops with additional equipment, but, speaking of lethal weapons, I believe that there is a flip side to the coin: lethal equipment It will not bring any benefit if it is in the hands of people who are not trained to use it. Therefore, I believe that there should be some mechanism to ensure an improvement in the level of training of the Ukrainian army.
    Come on!!! Militias - the people are savvy and capable, will understand. Let them send gifts, so the appearance of Pinocchio will be more logical.
    Peacekeepers are bad. Better to learn how to play hockey first. but still there. )))
  9. Lissyara
    Lissyara 4 February 2015 14: 50
    0
    "there is a high probability that the weapon could be stolen"
    Right in the topic of the previous article. Well, don’t send it, in the worst case they’ll steal it, at best they will sell it ... to your neighbor, who will wind up the end and push it on.
  10. Gloomy Hedgehog
    Gloomy Hedgehog 4 February 2015 14: 51
    +1
    Proud Georgian military instructors trained, but what's the point? It turned out that in practice they only learned how to run well through the fields.
  11. Mig-29
    Mig-29 4 February 2015 14: 52
    +7
    Does the USA really remember its bitter experience of delivering weapons to those who cannot use it?
    1. Gloomy Hedgehog
      Gloomy Hedgehog 4 February 2015 14: 57
      0
      The moral of the video is that our monkey, even a Kalashnikov assault rifle, can be mastered even by a monkey (Ukrainian maupa), but Ukrainians will not learn weapons from America without instructors.
    2. RUSIVAN
      RUSIVAN 4 February 2015 15: 18
      +2
      More precisely, it looks on Ukraine is exactly so ...
  12. bort4145
    bort4145 4 February 2015 14: 57
    0
    Or could it be easier to say: "They steal, you bastards" crying
  13. bronik
    bronik 4 February 2015 14: 57
    0
    Palladins are not traded yet? The militias will have to help the Armed Forces of Ukraine with an increase in the assortment of theirs Voentorg.
  14. Crang
    Crang 4 February 2015 14: 58
    0
    Is the Javelin a superweapon or something? He won't take our tanks head-on. He will not change anything especially in the balance of power.
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 4 February 2015 15: 01
      0
      Quote: Krang
      He will not change anything especially in the balance of power

      the transfer of "Javelin" is likely to be done along with the calculations. This is the whole point, i.e. they are in the details ...
      1. Lissyara
        Lissyara 4 February 2015 15: 18
        0
        Quote: Rus2012
        most likely will be made along with the calculations.

        It’s like in an old Soviet joke:
        USSR, 1980 Program "Time". "The Soviet Union rendered friendly military aid to fraternal Afghanistan in the form of 3 hundred small arms and 60 dozen eggs."
      2. Crang
        Crang 4 February 2015 16: 12
        0
        Yes, even if with calculations - what's the point? Do dill their ATGM or not. There is.
  15. Belarus
    Belarus 4 February 2015 15: 00
    +1
    I’m basically a pessimist, and therefore I’ll say this: if they deliver (they already deliver, in principle) then there are those who will use it wisely. There will be experts and if they want, they will also teach dill. Monkey can also teach a lot. They said that deliveries have already been and have been going on for a long time and everything that happens with regard to deliveries is just a circus.
    And after all, Amer will be right in his own right if that: ... but we did not sign anything and what can I say to that, xs.
  16. Estet59
    Estet59 4 February 2015 15: 02
    0
    [A spokeswoman for the US Congress says Ukraine’s chances are that weapons can be stolen if they fall into the hands of people who don’t know how to handle them.]

    Americans hold on to the Papuans. Cookies, beads, ribbons - please! If only to annoy Russia. And something more serious - it may tear something. Ukrainians brothers survived!
  17. tongilguk
    tongilguk 4 February 2015 15: 07
    0
    He forgot one more reason - the United States has already sent lethal weapons to Ukraine and therefore there is no point in supplying them there more.
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  19. trophy
    trophy 4 February 2015 15: 20
    +1
    There is only one way. This is the implantation of email. software chips in the brain regions responsible for fine and "gross" hand motility. So that these hands are not just a draw .. (hmm, to masturbate) turned out.
    1. good fair
      good fair 4 February 2015 15: 28
      0
      Quote: Trofim
      implantation of email software chips in the brain regions responsible for fine and "gross" hand motility. So that these hands not only draw ... (hmm, masturbate) it turned out

      You don’t have to implant anything anywhere, don’t draw ..., sorry, masturbate.
  20. Not served
    Not served 4 February 2015 15: 21
    0
    Regarding Javelin, the site somehow had information about its use by the Kharkov partisans. From the direct text it followed that at first they tried at a stationary object (Strategic Missile Forces fired) and then shot at a moving target. They wrote that nothing special.
    Py Sy, Strategic Rocket Forces are not rocket troops, a vertical steel oil tank.
  21. citlstar
    citlstar 4 February 2015 15: 25
    0
    Amerikosy consider fennel as idiots, but they themselves are not far from them. Fools and fools are rare in life, and people of one direction of the mind consider people of another direction of the mind to be fools, and if you want not to offend a person, then say that you and I have different directions of the mind, which Van Holen subtly hinted to dill.
  22. Stinger
    Stinger 4 February 2015 15: 25
    0
    He speaks correctly. They will remove all the glittering and hide it (to be useful!). The rest is scrapped.
  23. Chatlanen
    Chatlanen 4 February 2015 15: 38
    0
    Quote: Wiki Javelin
    To start it is necessary:

    - attach a transport and launch container (TPK) with a missile to the launch device (PU)
    - remove the end cover of the TPK
    - turn on the complex and cool the GOS
    - “capture the target” with the help of an adjustable marker to capture the target on the PU screen and select the type of attack (in a straight line or from above)
    - press the shutter button

    This is how it is necessary not to respect ukrov in order to say that they will not figure it out)), perhaps they think that academics are serving in their army)), but I forgot, they are EXCLUSIVE !!!!!
  24. Vs163
    Vs163 4 February 2015 15: 38
    0
    the Americans will send weapons and send troops, under the pretext that the weapons are not stolen
  25. fa2998
    fa2998 4 February 2015 15: 44
    0
    Quote: siberalt
    February 3 the headquarters of the DPR has already demonstrated fragments of NATO shells. And he reported the second shot down SU-25. The pilot was caught and taken for interrogation.

    155mm. You can’t shoot from a 152mm shell. (Ukrov are in service) guns. So howitzers were posted !? hi
  26. Makarych
    Makarych 4 February 2015 15: 46
    +3
    Quote: Gloomy Hedgehog
    Proud Georgian military instructors trained, but what's the point? It turned out that in practice they only learned how to run well through the fields.
  27. Amulet
    Amulet 4 February 2015 15: 48
    +1
    Maybe I'm wrong, but I (and not only me) would be interested in the military. It’s useful for specialists to look at NATO’s armored vehicles in real combat, I think that they (NATO) will not give a lot anyway, and ukrovoins will not use it correctly and usefully.
  28. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 4 February 2015 16: 05
    0
    Quote: Victor Kudinov
    Well, they put a lethal weapon for the theater, now they will carry it for the circus. wassat


    Yeah, you can help kaklams and put convertible tanks, that they will definitely have lethal weapons! bully
  29. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 4 February 2015 17: 36
    0
    In Libya, for example, about 20000 MANPADS were stolen.
    Why so far not a single passenger in Europe or the FSA has been littered with MANPADS?
    Because, probably, all real terrorists are controlled from one center according to the plans of the Director of the Earth.
  30. pvv113
    pvv113 4 February 2015 19: 38
    +2
    Recall that the Ukrainian side is calling

    I found an interesting note, the meaning of which can be expressed in a short phrase: "Was there Ukraine?"
    Ban Ki-moon, Secretary General of the United Nations, made a stunning discovery, the dissemination of which in the Ukrainian media and on Internet resources was immediately prohibited. We are talking about a conflict between two states, Russia and Ukraine, which was put on the agenda of the UN Security Council. It turned out the following: Ukraine has not registered its borders since December 1991. In other words, the borders of Ukraine, as a sovereign state, were not declared and registered with the UN. Consequently, there were no offenses against Ukraine by Russia, and cannot be in principle. In accordance with the CIS treaty, Ukraine is the administrative district of the USSR. Consequently, it is impossible to blame anyone for separatism or forcibly changing the integrity of the borders of the state of Ukraine. To deal with this problem, Ukraine needs to carry out demarcation work, and it is imperative to coordinate them with neighboring countries. The European Union has already agreed and expressed its desire to provide technical assistance. Now the most interesting thing is: will Russia meet Ukraine in this difficult situation? .. Nevertheless, demarcation has been started, at present two groups of qualified specialists are working on solving the problem, marking the border on terrain and comparing facts with maps. Despite all the efforts of the Kiev junta of its patrons, Russia can only make a statement and declare Ukraine its territory, since Ukraine was formerly part of the USSR, and Russia is the legal successor of the Soviet Union. And everything that happens in Ukraine is the internal affair of the Russian Federation, any attempt to intervene can be regarded as aggression against Russia. Of course, the results of the May 25 elections can be canceled, and Petro Poroshenko is still just a “chocolate hare." There is no sovereign state in Ukraine. And it never was.

    http://ok.ru/profile/576509838099/statuses/63353252842259
  31. terrible
    terrible 4 February 2015 19: 55
    0
    Let them deliver it, and we will officially be back then!
  32. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 4 February 2015 22: 52
    0
    <<< Apparently, Chris van Hollen hasn't finished speaking yet .......... American weapons may end up in the hands of the militia, and that's a completely different story ... >>>
    If the American public, the stronghold of world democracy, is really concerned about the blood of civilians pouring in Ukraine and wants to stop it, it makes sense to immediately put American weapons to the militias! They certainly will not hammer from it on civilians and residential quarters that do anti-terrorist operation anti-terrorists! In addition, this will make every frankly fascist and gangster rabble who has joined the ATO and using it to achieve their goals responsible, which is also in the interests of the states themselves (they don’t need a European ISIS)!
  33. eztaeznii
    eztaeznii 4 February 2015 23: 18
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    Soon, the army of New Russia will have an American lethal weapon.
  34. IAlex
    IAlex 5 February 2015 22: 21
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    Tomorrow, in principle, the fate of the Russian Federation and another major international conflict will be decided. If GDP is bent, then we will end, if not, then there will be a powerful battle ...