Dangerous Ukrainian games: why are Europeans not aware of the dangers of war? ("Atlantico", France)

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Dangerous Ukrainian games: why are Europeans not aware of the dangers of war? ("Atlantico", France)


At present, the situation is so serious that Mikhail Gorbachev himself issued a warning about the new cold war. However, European and North American leaders are thinking about new sanctions against Russia.


Against the background of the resumption of hostilities between Russian-backed separatists and Ukrainian forces on January 29, an emergency meeting of foreign ministers was held in Europe. It focused on extending sanctions against Russia in March for another six months, expanding the black list of managers and the company, and even new punitive measures. Washington, in turn, said on Wednesday that “until Russia ceases so openly to violate its obligations (...), it will have to pay an ever higher price.”

Such a situation prompted the former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev to say these words: “Now you can only hear from America, from the European Union, about sanctions against Russia. Have they completely lost their heads? America in general “got lost in the jungle” and pulls us there. ” According to him, “if you call a spade a spade, it (America) has already drawn us into a new cold war, trying to openly implement its general idea of ​​triumph.”

Atlantico: Is it worth it for European states to expect that the continuation of sanctions will allow to cope with the situation?

Cyril Bret: The adoption of sanctions does not help to cope with conflicts. At the same time, it means the risk of heightening tension in order to prevent further escalation of violence.

From a structural point of view, the economic, financial and administrative sanctions of the EU against the Russian Federation are aimed at maintaining the balance of power with Moscow. And punitive sanctions against individuals should create pressure on the environment of government circles. The last months of some states of the European Union (first of all, this applies to Poland, the Baltic States and Germany), the growing confidence that Russia understands only force. This explains the use of sanctions, in which it relies on Moscow’s understanding of its interests and the unacceptability of the population of restrictions on lifestyle, investment and consumption.

More specifically, as soon as Moscow or the rebels achieve certain military victories (as, for example, this week at the Donetsk airport or from Mariupol), the Europeans damage them at other levels: financial, monetary, commercial, industrial or administrative. The problem is that the goals of the sanctions may become less and less susceptible to them: nationalist propaganda can help unite around a leader, workarounds or an alliance with China are possible. After all, the continental blockade of Napoleonic France created alternatives in the supply of sugar markets.

Sanctions are like an uppercut in boxing: they can force an opponent to retreat only if he still feels pain. Russia, on the other hand, perceives sanctions and the answer to them is completely different from what the Western public does.

- Barack Obama noted the importance of economic sanctions and the results achieved with their help. Western public opinion does not consider war as a suitable option for themselves, but what does the Russian public think about this? If Vladimir Putin ceases to support the separatists, will not his supporters perceive this as a sign of weakness?

- Stereotypes about Russia as an authoritarian state in the internal plan and aggressive in the external really took deep roots in American political circles. And Vladimir Putin made them only stronger than agressive statements repeatedly heard during the conflict. American public opinion for the most part perceives the current conflict as a deliberate military aggression of Russia against a sovereign state. In addition, this criticism of Moscow will only intensify if the Republicans win the presidential elections in 2016: despite their values ​​of conservatism similar to United Russia, in this case, it’s worth waiting for the deterioration of Russian-American relations without real opportunities for rapprochement besides external factors.

At the same time, the Russian public was amazed at the American interventions in Kosovo and Iraq and does not understand why they are now trying to read the notations. For the most part, she believes that the country acts in its own right. This is largely facilitated by the media, which have created such history: after the collapse of the USSR, many Russian people remained abroad, including in Ukraine, and a number of originally Russian territories, for example, Crimea, dropped out of the country. In addition, public opinion simply cannot imagine Ukraine’s estrangement by political means: the 2004 Orange Revolution of the year became humiliation for Vladimir Putin, who did not foresee the defeat of Viktor Yanukovych because of his inability to falsify the voting results. Ten years later, the Russian leadership had new troubles that could lead to the expulsion of the naval base from Sevastopol and the rapprochement of Kiev with NATO. Therefore, it began to intimidate the authorities, to talk about the fascist coup d'état, which the United States secretly supported. This point of view is shared by the majority of Russians, for whom television is the main source of information. And this does not push Putin to soften the position. Taking into account all these points, it is necessary to recognize that deeply disagreements on these issues will remain in the public opinion of the two countries for a long time.

- If Western states persist in their policy of sanctions, what will be the consequences? Can we say that they embark on a dangerous game without a clear idea of ​​its rules?

Florent Parmantier: The policy of sanctions was a response to the annexation of the Crimea, at the sight of which the Europeans could not sit back, because it was about changing the boundaries of a sovereign state. The Russian authorities claim that they only used the “Kosovo precedent” and emphasize support for the annexation of the peninsula among the population.

There were several rising waves in the sanctions, but so far there is no answer to the next most important question, the question of their abolition. Russia is not going to return the Crimea to Ukraine, because it does not agree with its accession to it during the Soviet Union in 1954. At the same time, it is much more inclined to consensus and concessions on the Donbas. If we tie the lifting of sanctions to Russia's withdrawal from the Crimea, this will create a dead end situation for all parties. Europeans can easily find themselves in a position where it will not be possible to agree on anything besides the status quo. And this is with significant consequences for Europe itself and endlessly protracted in the conflict.

Conflict requires a political solution, which nevertheless does not have to be based on the lowest common denominator. It is a question of deep reforms of the Ukrainian political institutes, association of citizens. In this area, the Europeans are able to offer pragmatic options based on their achievements in technical assistance to the formation of the present legal state.

- What is the logic worth adhering to the West in search of a way out of the crisis instead of a bet on sanctions? So, for example, wouldn't a refusal to admit Ukraine to NATO help reduce the intensity of passions?

Cyril Bret: Today, the path from sanctions to overcoming the crisis is very poorly visible. The differences in the points of view of Russia and the West are such that what the West regards as a neutral position is perceived in Moscow as aggression. So, the vote of the Parliament on the prospect of Ukraine’s entry into NATO is perceived by the West as the right of a sovereign Ukrainian state. At the same time, it is a provocation and a red line for the Russian Federation, which seeks to protect the remnants of its sphere of influence and power in the near abroad, where it recognizes only “limited sovereignty”, as Brezhnev used to say.

The announcement, adoption and application of sanctions is only one aspect of the Europeans ’response to the separatist military actions and the strategic position of the Russian Federation in this conflict.

Europe should not consider sanctions as a means by which repentance can be achieved from Russia. They should be a pointing arrow that will lead the Russian Federation to a way out of the crisis through gradual concessions. So, in exchange for "neutralization" or "Finlandization" of Ukraine, that is, for its non-entry into NATO, the Europeans could bargain for Russia's non-intervention in the Donbas. In addition, the concessions must be made by the United States on the missile defense system and the Ukrainian authorities on the constitutional organization of the south-eastern regions of the country.

The demonstration of power is an important but not sufficient condition for resolving the crisis: the West needs to offer a way out for the Russian authorities, whose position is only harder because of the economic recession, diplomatic isolation and the vertical of political power. The standoff should lead to a joint dance, that is, a coordinated common movement towards the same goal.

Cyril Bree, Lecturer at the Paris Institute of Political Studies.
Florent Parmantier, lecturer at the Paris Institute of Political Studies.
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  1. +7
    4 February 2015 05: 39
    Dangerous Ukrainian games: why are Europeans not aware of the dangers of war?
    Yes because fabulous number 3. Until national leaders like De Gaulle or Kohl appear there, it will only get worse.
    1. +4
      4 February 2015 06: 00
      Quote: retired
      Dangerous Ukrainian games: why are Europeans not aware of the dangers of war?
      Yes because fabulous number 3. Until national leaders like De Gaulle or Kohl appear there, it will only get worse.

      a couple of times the Prophet, depict obscene, and realize .. Yes Yura- hi
      1. +7
        4 February 2015 07: 10
        Hello to amateurs from fishing! drinks
        And if on the topic, then recently there have been unexpectedly many similar articles in which something similar to an objective analysis of the relationship between Russia and Europe began to appear. True, I do not speak languages ​​and do not have the opportunity to monitor the national media and therefore cannot assess the ratio of such "objective", relatively speaking, materials and materials, so to speak, spiteful. But according to colleagues who often travel abroad, the attitude towards Russia is changing before our eyes. Even in Europe. And in Malaysia, for example, they generally consider Russia to be almost a friend ...
        1. +2
          4 February 2015 07: 53
          Quote: retired
          Hello to amateurs from fishing!

          all run up to rudeness ??? am laughing
          1. 0
            4 February 2015 08: 44
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            all run up to rudeness?

            stop Not. Not rude. To the battle! Yes I propose a battle on mormyshka in Beloyarka feel . Weak? wink
            1. +2
              4 February 2015 18: 33
              Quote: retired
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              all run up to rudeness?

              stop Not. Not rude. To the battle! Yes I propose a battle on mormyshka in Beloyarka feel . Weak? wink

              I’ll fuck you fuck !!! laughing
        2. +2
          4 February 2015 09: 51
          Quote: retired
          But according to colleagues who are often abroad, attitudes toward Russia are changing before our eyes. Even in Europe. And in Malaysia, for example, - in general, they consider Russia almost a friend ...


          The truth always comes out. We know that all the media in America and England and part of the European type of Germany control the Rothschilds, large corporations, and they idiot their masses, although there are still thinkers among them. After all, there is the expression of Abraham Lincoln, the president of the United States, who ended the civil war:
          "You can deceive part of the people all the time, you can deceive the whole people for a while, but you cannot deceive the whole people all the time."
      2. +3
        4 February 2015 08: 00
        For using "this" article minus.
        that Mikhail Gorbachev himself cautioned about a new cold war
        Mu ... he is still ringing. CIS citizens will ask forgiveness before death or how will Birch glue bots together?
        1. 0
          4 February 2015 11: 04
          Europe should not consider sanctions as a means by which repentance can be obtained from Russia. They should be a pointing arrow that will lead the Russian Federation to a way out of the crisis through gradual concessions.

          To exit from the crisis of whom? Russia will come out of the crisis, and the EU and the United States to pull out of the crisis is too much. The sanctions themselves have entered, and understand yourself.
        2. 0
          4 February 2015 13: 11
          Unfortunately, this ... ringing, still trample from Vaterland before.
      3. +1
        4 February 2015 11: 30
        Cyril Bree, Lecturer at the Paris Institute of Political Studies.
        Florent Parmantier, lecturer at the Paris Institute of Political Studies.
        And there are many such holy fools there because they teach, however, we also have such "good" in bulk
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    3. +1
      4 February 2015 13: 40
      Quote: retired
      Dangerous Ukrainian games: why are Europeans not aware of the dangers of war?
      Greetings, Yura! Yes, fuck with her gevrop, the main thing is that something has started stirring in Ukraine itself ...
    4. 0
      4 February 2015 21: 23
      Old hackneyed record fool
  2. +6
    4 February 2015 05: 49
    Yes, because all these leaders, think primarily not about the people of their European countries, but about the Wishlist of the American roofing material.
    1. 0
      4 February 2015 14: 13
      Quote: kebeskin
      Yes, because all these leaders, think primarily not about the people of their European countries, but about the Wishlist of the American roofing material.

      The European authorities can be called the "fifth column" of the United States. wink
  3. +5
    4 February 2015 05: 52
    A half-weighted position is somehow. It seems everything is correctly written down, but it immediately feels that the author has more logics than a connoisseur of the situation in Russia and Ukraine. This is a Western version of Russian thinking ..
  4. +1
    4 February 2015 05: 57
    why are Europeans unaware of the dangers of war?
    They are used to
  5. +1
    4 February 2015 05: 58
    I like these teachers: if it is convenient (profitable) for the West, then everything is right, but if it is for us, then it is absolutely impossible. These Europeans are not getting it, we need good leaders there again, who would care about their people and not the overseas puppeteers.
  6. +7
    4 February 2015 06: 01
    Someone bought corny, whom they hold for _-tsa with the help of incriminating evidence, someone beckon with posts, someone frighten by non-election.
    Humans solve their small problems, rocking the world. Like pigs digging up an oak tree looking for acorns.
    1. +2
      4 February 2015 07: 02
      Quote: armored optimist
      hold for _-tsa

      EGGS is a completely legal part of the body, repression for the word is not provided ... lol
    2. 0
      4 February 2015 10: 04
      Maybe it's not on topic: the Rada passed a law on transferring all nuclear facilities to the protection of the National Guard. And who of them is the most crazy after this is a secret for me. Well, everything is clear with the Nazis - they are finished, but what to call the deputies after this, we have to think for a long time. What if some crazy commander or his bandits get it into their head to blackmail the same Rada or the same Poles, saying that if you don't help, we will destroy the nuclear power plant, everyone will get it, or they come up with some other nasty thing?
  7. +5
    4 February 2015 06: 01
    If Vladimir Putin ceases to support the separatists, will his supporters not perceive this as a sign of weakness?

    This would be perceived as a betrayal ... Neither Putin nor the majority of Russians (Russians mean) will agree to this. Ironly, they won’t go ... They don’t understand - their problems. We can handle our
    1. 0
      4 February 2015 12: 10
      Russia does not support separatists, and does not support, unlike geyropa, fascists.
      The problem is that enlightened Europe measures everything in money. For example, human lives in Donbass.
  8. +5
    4 February 2015 06: 03
    I completely disagree with the fundamentals of these madam’s inventions about Russia (((clichés raised in axioms, besides they think as dominant players at the table, France should remember that such positions were squinty, Germany broke them 2 times.
  9. +1
    4 February 2015 06: 06
    Awareness of the danger to Europe is now something abstract, but it will soon pass. Industrialists will start buzzing with farmers, and there the banderlogs will catch up without asking when they are thrown out of Ukraine. Geyrope immediately will not be up to Russia.
  10. 511
    +3
    4 February 2015 06: 09
    Right grandfather LENIN said ... political prostitutes ...
  11. +3
    4 February 2015 06: 14
    Confrontation should lead to a joint dance, that is, a coordinated common movement towards one goal.

    The goals are different, so dance here, don’t dance! The US needs a war, and as usual on foreign territory!
  12. +5
    4 February 2015 06: 22
    The French, answering questions, absolutely do not understand anything in Russia. Heavily exposed to Western information about events in Ukraine.

    Europe should not consider sanctions as a means by which Russia can be obtained repentance.

    I wonder what kind of repentance awaits the West and the same French? Completely divorced from the reality of events.
  13. +1
    4 February 2015 06: 26
    Nobody will throw out Bandera from Ukraine. They live there and the soil is suitable for them. The leaders of the country are like "pigs under an oak tree." Europe does not care about civilian casualties. They follow the mattress covers like the blind. Everything will end in economic collapse on one side. When it comes and for whom - this time will tell.
  14. 3axap
    +4
    4 February 2015 06: 29
    By Cyrille Bret, Florent Parmentier, Dear forum users, read the line in this article: Against the backdrop of the resumption of hostilities between Russian-backed separatists and Ukrainian forces? And where is the listing of countries that support the government of this state. Or aren't there? And are they poor little ones alone upholding the ideals of their coup d'etat? Again, everything is one-sided, Russia is an enemy and aggressor, and they are white and fluffy. feel hi I am not opposed to posting such articles on the site. It's not bad that we are discussing on the forum; Vysery Gorbachev and the like. But maybe it’s time for us ordinary forum users to start counter propaganda. The flags of different states flash on the site, it’s really respondents from these countries or sempotize these countries. Spread the truth about their bacchanalia in this pseudo state on their websites. And when we really start to give change, they will think that we are attacking them. NO, in reality WE defend ourselves. hi soldier
  15. +7
    4 February 2015 06: 32
    hi I understand that this is the reasoning of two ordinary, without academic degrees, university teachers. And the title of the article is not linked to the content. I wasted my time!
  16. +5
    4 February 2015 06: 33
    "The main source of information for the Russians is television ..." I wonder why they make such conclusions ???
  17. Tugarin
    +3
    4 February 2015 06: 41
    More specifically, as soon as Moscow or the rebels achieve certain military victories (as, for example, this week at the Donetsk airport or at Mariupol), Europeans harm them at other levels: financial, monetary, commercial, industrial or administrative

    They only know how to bite for heels! Syavka cheap!
  18. +3
    4 February 2015 06: 41
    Europeans will never understand the horror of war until it is at their place.
    1. +3
      4 February 2015 06: 46
      Yes, I think they had enough of the "Sharlinsky" naughty. They are still trembling along the way!
      1. 0
        4 February 2015 13: 23
        It is necessary to slightly adjust the degree of fear that fear of Russia dominated everyone else.
  19. +2
    4 February 2015 06: 49
    We are talking about deep reforms of Ukrainian political institutions, the unification of citizens. In this area, Europeans are able to offer pragmatic options based on their achievements in technical assistance in the formation of a real legal state.

    Not capable. The bandits, who for hundreds of years built their own well-being on the robberies of other countries, are capable of nothing more than robberies of other countries.
  20. Amorales
    +2
    4 February 2015 06: 58
    Blah blah blah. They are trying to teach us again. The West is this, the West is ... you don’t understand, French whores, why we won the war.
  21. ZAM
    +2
    4 February 2015 06: 59
    Europeans have a short memory. Did they feel like judges? They simply forgot how during the Second World War no one asked them about anything at all - They were simply screwed everywhere! They think that they will be able to sit it out in the event of a conflict between Russia and the USA... They are afraid of a "Russian invasion". Obese Europe does not fully understand that at the moment, posing as some kind of world judge, but in fact being just a puppet of the Americans, to its own detriment, declaring sanctions against Russia in order to serve the master, it is simply divided into target sectors for a nuclear strike in the event of a mortal danger to Russia. And the Germans and the Poles and other riffraff think that NATO will protect them from Russian planes and tanks... Like children... What tanks? No one else will invade - that's what they have to fear. Dig deeper holes... Or else two idiots tried to be smart here...
  22. 0
    4 February 2015 07: 26
    "the confidence that Russia understands only strength is growing more and more."
    No need to juggle! Only Europe understands power, but Russia possesses power. What, once again, must be proved ?!
  23. +1
    4 February 2015 07: 31
    They are all aware, but hope not only to sit aside, but also to weld on someone else's grief. How Americans do it all the time. So Europe thought that it’s a ride, it’s not like they will have a war request
  24. 0
    4 February 2015 07: 33
    Europeans could have negotiated for Russia's non-intervention in Donbass... this phrase, and in general everything that is said about the militias - separatists, etc., it always seems to me that the conversation is about some Martians, who are supported by Russia in Donbass, and not about the residents of Donbass itself who, oh horror, dared to put forward some of their own demands...
  25. 0
    4 February 2015 07: 53
    Another hell out of the way with his worthless tips. winked
  26. +1
    4 February 2015 07: 59
    Yes, they are all well aware. Like the fact that Russia will never be the first to attack. And now the main thing for them is to overwhelm us, so that we could survive at our own expense without going broke / not falling apart. That is why they are pushing us in a hurry and hoping that we will yield as Gorbachev's USSR. Moreover, it is clear that all world unions competing with the West are being built with the participation of and around Russia. Fell us, destroy indicatively and all these Chinese and Indians will crawl back into their burrows.
  27. +2
    4 February 2015 08: 38
    They live in their artificial information world, access to which reality and truth is extremely difficult. They don’t want to know the truth and often can’t.
    One phrase is worth "The differences in the points of view of Russia and the West are such that what the West sees as neutral positionis perceived in Moscow as aggression ".
    Those. the coup organization already openly recognized by Obama is a neutral position. And the trips of the entire Eurosea ... if during the Maidan to the territory of an independent state in order to eliminate the legitimately elected president, in their opinion there is nowhere more neutral than a position.
    Western media form memes and images that are aggressively hammered into the minds of Euro-shareholders and politicians. Reality is not important, the image created by the media is important, and then yes, the USSR is not a winner in the 2 MV, Auschwitz was liberated by anyone - Poles, Lviv and Zhytomyr, Obama's grandfather, but not Soviet troops, Russia is an aggressor (proverb about a log and a speck of dust unknown to these analysts). The enemy is ready. The question is just what next? War?
  28. +2
    4 February 2015 08: 48
    And the article is uplifting. Like Russia, in fact, inadequately perceives what is said to it. It seems like the entire "civilized world", led by America, as true Christians stand quietly and preach to us fraternal feelings for sovereign states. And the Russians, in their savagery and cannibalism, perceive this preaching as aggression. And they offend the innocent Balts, do not let the Georgians feel like a real state of law, scold the poor unfortunate neo-Nazis in Ukraine, often even unparliamentarily. In short, barbarians, horror.
    And we are led by a leader who, if he hadn’t drank human blood in the morning, can neither speak nor eat. And the demolition of the heads of the subjects himself, every day for a dozen, no less.

    How long can such an attitude be tolerated? How long will we be counted as nonhumans, some kind of peshegladevtsi? Is it not time to recall who and with what words met the Soviet Army 70 years ago and who made it possible to remain half of Europe, which does not count us people, as states, even slightly sovereign?
    We must do something, put the brains in place of the Tolerasts.
  29. 0
    4 February 2015 09: 01
    without judgment. this is their opinion, everyone understands it in their own way. in some ways the article is useful
  30. 0
    4 February 2015 09: 11
    Due to the lack of "awareness" as such, in principle.
  31. 0
    4 February 2015 09: 16
    ... It makes an impression. that the Europeans "both want and inject and (American) mom does not order." Europe does not need sanctions. But it's scary. Hence it is "on the one hand, on the other hand." what pleases me is guessing what Putin will do. The heart freezes. So you don't want to lose your cozy warm bidet.
  32. +1
    4 February 2015 09: 43
    The French, from the time of Philip the Beautiful (aka Counterfeiter) have porridge in their heads. This is a good example when thinking a lot is harmful. More truly not so. Thinking is always good. It’s harmful to think liberals a lot.
    France, like the rest of Europe, hopes that Ukraine is far away. And she is nearby.
    Here the Poles and the Balts are clearly aware that it is here, at hand. And they are well aware that if now they do not support fascism in Ukraine (and they have no other choice), if they dump the junta, they are the next victims. No, not military conflict, God forbid. Just then, according to the law of conservation of energy, the conflict will spread to them. The Russian Federation has already received its vaccine in the form of wars of the 90s. And they have something to lose. So they don’t see the war - it’s better to kill somewhere there, but not here. Hence Russophobia.
  33. 0
    4 February 2015 10: 59
    The frogmen themselves lost their sovereignty, becoming cancer in front of the states and we are already being taught that.
  34. 0
    4 February 2015 11: 02

    is that there on the tank tied in cellophane? disguise under the trash?
    1. Vitalka
      0
      4 February 2015 12: 18
      Cellophane is nonsense. Dill first of all hid behind a nine-story building, where civilians are likely in the basement. It is now impossible to shoot at them with "hail", only to pick them out with direct fire. Nits ...
  35. +2
    4 February 2015 11: 37
    We just don’t need to prove to each other that we are right, but to understand that we don’t understand them, and they don’t understand us, let them explain it to ourselves and don’t worry about our situation: we have a lot or a little democracy and everything else, especially nobody this does not ask.
    Our priorities are polar different: they, due to limited space, have pieces of land (hectares, kilometers), and here, our territory is considered as people living in this place and the place itself under them has no value. Therefore, we are talking about different things.
  36. 0
    4 February 2015 11: 49
    Europe should have been tearing its hair out long ago from the prospects of the crap they have cooked up in Ukraine. And negotiate with Russia on the joint introduction of "police" forces into the territory not controlled by the DPR and LPR (they themselves will establish order). Considering the number of nuclear power plants in Ukraine, their "experiments" with American nuclear fuel, low professionalism, the presence of weapons, ... Chernobyl may seem like a cute children's fairy tale
  37. 0
    4 February 2015 12: 13
    Late they engaged in verbiage ...
  38. 0
    4 February 2015 12: 24
    That’s why they started to teach us how to live again. Each mongrel considers the right to yap! Something long ago we didn’t make soap from them ...
  39. 0
    4 February 2015 12: 51
    Quote: Siberian

    Our priorities are polar different: they, due to limited space, have pieces of land (hectares, kilometers), and here, our territory is considered as people living in this place and the place itself under them has no value. Therefore, we are talking about different things.


    Damn, I also thought, but did not know how to say it.
  40. +1
    4 February 2015 12: 56
    I would have thought about my France, which soon too, the sky with a sheepskin will seem. Your problems are not enough?
    1. 0
      5 February 2015 03: 37
      Oh yeah! Soon Sacre de Coeur will be transformed into a mosque and everything will be fine with them. (I am not against Muslims, God forbid). This will be their answer for the Crusades ...
    2. 0
      5 February 2015 03: 37
      Oh yeah! Soon Sacre de Coeur will be transformed into a mosque and everything will be fine with them. (I am not against Muslims, God forbid). This will be their answer for the Crusades ...
  41. 0
    4 February 2015 18: 20
    Found on the Internet, smiled ...

    In a dream, the surviving Hiroshima cried,
    Throughout the quarter, curtains flew
    When the bottom of Svidomo Maximov exploded
    At the time of receipt of the summons

    He sold the house, LuAZik and the cow,
    I have erased all Vkontakte messages,
    And he is already halfway to Rostov,
    He walks on an old school map.

    Forgotten "Moskalyaku on Gilyaku"
    And jump too lazy, beat off all the hunt,
    And scary for his native sr.aku,
    Maxim does not want to be in the Ukrainian infantry ...
  42. 0
    5 February 2015 02: 41
    They still do not understand anything. Well stupid ....
  43. 0
    5 February 2015 03: 32
    After reading the article, it becomes clear how far the Europeans are from understanding the whole problem. An absolute misunderstanding, or, better to say, not a desire to soberly consider the Ukrainian problem, basically they manage to consider it through the optics "Made in USA".
    The first thing that catches your eye is a brain swam with European fat. They really believe that their sanctions can affect the outcome of the situation in Ukraine ... this cannot be cured. Those. put pressure on Russia to allow the massacre at its side, it already smacks of manic states ...
    Secondly, these gentlemen do not understand that people who were born (!) And lived all their lives in Crimea are still alive and well, and they were not born in Ukraine, but in the RSFSR, and later in the Crimean region of the same RSFSR! They don’t understand the European brains that one cannot take the memory of ancestors, relatives, the Motherland with a stroke of the pen ... What does Ukraine have to do with it? Firstly, the signed decree was not considered at a referendum; it was published retroactively as an insignificant event. Of course, no one in 1954 was even interested in the reasons for the transfer, because the people did not intend to hold referendums on secession from the USSR or ruin the state.
    And what is the concept of Ukrainian-Russian roots worth? They cannot understand that half of Ukrainian families live in Russia, half of Russians live in Ukraine and vice versa, the other half of these same families and their relatives live either in Ukraine or in Russia. How can this be separated? In Russia, only Tatars are mixed up like that. How can this be divided? Thirdly, the tone of the article is permeated with some kind of unfounded superiority...for some reason they think that we should definitely reach out to them. This also shows that they cannot imagine for a second that they are not really needed by Russia as much as they think, as if, years later, they would have to start traveling to Russia as "Western workers"... Summary: the article was written "based on American storytellers" and once again proves that this riffraff should be slowly squeezed out of our territory. They have sunk their nasty sting in here too deeply.
  44. oksanamcarevush
    0
    23 February 2015 18: 32
    "The West should be offered a way out of the Russian government, whose position is only getting tougher because of the economic recession, diplomatic isolation and the vertical of political power. The confrontation should lead to a joint dance, that is, a coordinated common movement towards one goal."

    What kind of sheep do our authorities need help with? We can handle it ourselves! And everything goes according to plan ... a good Crimean plan and shys ...